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00:00Is this a case, in your opinion, of a brand new administration simply being naïve?
00:05Or do you think there's more to it than that?
00:08No, this is not about naivety.
00:10I have, as you know, spent most of my professional time at NATO headquarters.
00:16I sat through numerous, probably hundreds, meetings of the NATO-Russia Council.
00:21I even chaired a number of NATO-Russia Council meetings.
00:25So I know, really, what Russians are up to.
00:29In fact, we've had now some 11 years,
00:33which is the time since Russia illegally annexed Crimea and parts of eastern Ukraine
00:42to come to grips with an aggressive Russian regime.
00:47And unfortunately, Europeans, and also the Trump administration,
00:53pursued a policy of, we must not provoke Russia.
00:57They were clearly not willing to really robustly contain.