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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, Ashfaq Ishaq Satti is here with you.
00:14If we talk about the current government, it has completed one year.
00:19The Prime Minister has also talked about this.
00:21He has given a reference that when the government was formed last year,
00:25there were many challenges.
00:27At that time, the current government had promised economic, administrative and social reforms.
00:34Many claims were made about the sustainable energy of the economy.
00:39That they will have to do it so that many things can be improved in a year.
00:44In fact, if you look at it, not just a year, but gradually,
00:49they wanted the economy to stand on its feet.
00:52What happened in a year?
00:54You see, at the initial level, we took an extended loan facility from the IMF.
01:00Because of that, you know, they suffered a loss politically.
01:03But despite that, that facility was taken.
01:06After that, you see, the things that have improved,
01:09let me first point out that your exchange rate has improved.
01:13If we talk about your foreign reserves,
01:15if I talk about 2024, it was $8,000,000,000 or $2,000,000,000 in January 2024.
01:22Which doubled to $15.9 billion in February.
01:26Then if we talk about inflation,
01:28the inflation in February 2024 was at 23%.
01:31And in January it was 5%.
01:33And now it is being said to be 1.52%.
01:35These are the numbers that are being stated by the government or by the Institute of Fiscal Studies.
01:40Then it was being said in terms of interest rates,
01:43that the interest rate at that time was at 23%.
01:45And now the interest rate has decreased to 11%.
01:49Then there is a decrease in circular debt.
01:51And then it was being said in terms of starting a solar initiative of 10,000 MW.
01:56Then there were many more claims,
01:58that we will reduce discos,
02:00then we will do tariff reduction.
02:02There were many issues that needed to be settled.
02:04But which issues improved and which did not,
02:06we will try to discuss it in today's show.
02:10What did Ishaq Dar say?
02:12Let's listen to what he wants and what he has achieved so far.
02:17A year back, you know the situation.
02:19The PDM government was doing nothing but saving the country from default.
02:22Those who are not your well-wishers,
02:24they would love to see you in default in economic problems.
02:26A year ago, Pakistan was diplomatically isolated.
02:30In one year, after 27 years,
02:32we held a multilateral big event,
02:34SCO, Heads of Government event in Pakistan.
02:37Alhamdulillah, with one vote majority,
02:39we were elected as UN Security Council members for the 7th time.
02:43This time we got 182 vs 5 votes.
02:45I believe that if we all work together,
02:48it is not too far away when we will have,
02:50the economy will be growing,
02:51you have seen the stability already there.
02:53You have seen how he wants everyone to move forward together,
02:56so that we can work on this issue.
02:59You know that agriculture is such a field,
03:02that Pakistan is an agricultural country.
03:04And we think that food security is a very important thing
03:08that should be worked on.
03:09But in the past few years,
03:11our free acreage was reduced,
03:13and we had to import a lot of crops.
03:16So our food security turned into food insecurity.
03:19For this, it has been promised that
03:21farmers will be given free loans,
03:24then there will be solar tube wells,
03:26then there will be a package,
03:27then better seeds will be provided for the betterment of the free acreage.
03:31And then with the support of SIFC,
03:34they also got support for this.
03:36And efforts were made to populate Cholistan and Thal.
03:41But now it is happening that
03:43everyone will have to move forward together,
03:45only then things can move forward.
03:46Otherwise, there are a lot of issues.
03:47For example, the promises that
03:49NAB will be terminated,
03:51this was the promise when the government came at that time.
03:53Then after that, it was said about Article 62 and 63
03:56that it will be abolished in its original form.
03:58Then in terms of GDP,
04:00spendings will be made in the field of health and education.
04:03That is, it will be according to that,
04:05so that people's living conditions are better.
04:07Then a new labour policy will be introduced.
04:09This was also said, claims were made.
04:11Then the tax to GDP ratio was said to be up to 13.5%.
04:16The per capita income was said to be up to $2,000 per year.
04:22So it is obvious that there is a step towards the right direction,
04:26but a lot of things are yet to happen.
04:28So let's talk about this.
04:29Let me introduce the guests who are with us.
04:31Joining us in Tariq Fazal Chaudhry.
04:33Thank you very much, Mr. Tariq Fazal Chaudhry.
04:34He is the Federal Minister.
04:35His trial is yet to be decided.
04:37Barrister Omer Niazi is with us in the studio.
04:39Thank you so much for your time, Mr. Omer.
04:41Along with that, Mr. Khamar Zaman Kaira,
04:43who is a member of the People's Party, is also joining us.
04:46So, Mr. Tariq Fazal Chaudhry,
04:48one year has been completed today.
04:50Let's start with you.
04:52The cabinet has grown.
04:54You have also been appointed as a deputy minister.
04:57First of all, tell me,
04:59has a court been decided for all the people who have been inducted?
05:03Yes, in the name of Allah.
05:05Thank you very much for taking part in the program.
05:08The new ministers who have joined the cabinet,
05:15their portfolios will be allotted by tomorrow.
05:22They will then start working in their respective ministries.
05:24Alright.
05:25Everyone has their own interests.
05:31What is your interest, Mr. Tariq Fazal Chaudhry,
05:34in which you will be able to deliver better?
05:37The decision will be made by the team captain,
05:40Mr. Zabash Shreef.
05:42He will decide in which department you will be able to deliver better.
05:47Alright.
05:48This will be the decision of the Prime Minister.
05:50I believe that all the ministers who have been inducted,
05:53and those who are present, are capable enough.
05:55In today's work, you have seen how well our first cabinet delivered in the past year.
06:03But since there were ministers who had two deputies,
06:07the Prime Minister decided to extend the cabinet to make the work of those deputies even better.
06:14Alright.
06:15And every ministry should have a separate minister,
06:17a minister of state,
06:19and his performance should be better than the best.
06:21Because the situation in which the country is going through,
06:24there is no room for any kind of mistake or negligence.
06:28Alright.
06:29Mr. Tariq, I mentioned a few things in the beginning.
06:32Obviously, I also mentioned a few things.
06:34That is, the extended facility of the IMF,
06:37you took a political loss from it.
06:39There were a lot of such decisions.
06:41Obviously, the recoveries, the end of subsidies,
06:44there were a lot of issues due to which there was backlash.
06:47And I think the Noon League tolerated it alone.
06:51So, what have you been able to gain from it so far?
06:53What have you been able to do in the past year?
06:57Look, this is a very complex situation that you are talking about.
07:01It is difficult to answer it in one-liner.
07:03The real situation is that when there was a vote of no confidence against Imran Khan
07:09and the PDM government was formed,
07:11at that time, you remember,
07:13it was being said on a weekly basis that the country could default at any time.
07:18Yes.
07:19The most difficult decisions were made at that time.
07:21Of course, we also suffered losses,
07:23but Alhamdulillah, we saved the country from defaulting.
07:25And thank God that today, the fate of the country is being decided.
07:29And after that, when our government was formed after March 2024,
07:35and you saw in the past year that the challenges are still there.
07:38No country, no Prime Minister,
07:40happily goes to the IMF,
07:42and in the circumstances in which our country was in,
07:47happily makes difficult decisions.
07:50These decisions are taken only when you have no option other than these.
07:55The political government always knows that
07:57in the next election, you have to go to the people and face them.
08:00You have a political strength,
08:02you have a political power.
08:04You never compromise it,
08:06but if the country is first,
08:08its priority is first,
08:09the interest of the country is first,
08:11then I think you have to take a decision,
08:13which we have taken.
08:15Okay. Umair Niazi Sahib.
08:17In the beginning, I mentioned some of the challenges
08:19that you have been able to achieve,
08:21in my opinion, or the things that have come up so far.
08:23What are your thoughts on this?
08:26If we move away from political issues and focus on
08:30what will be the performance of the government in a year?
08:32Look, they have been connected for a year,
08:34for the past three years.
08:36Basically, look, Tariq Bhai himself gave a reference of 2022.
08:40In April 2022, Imran Khan's government left.
08:43From there, he came to the driving seat.
08:45The government was run by PDM Part 1.
08:47Then there was an interim set-up.
08:49And then this happened.
08:50You are saying, Saqdar Sahib, that it was just survival.
08:52You had to save it.
08:53It was survival.
08:54Look, what major wrong decisions were taken at that time?
08:56Look, when you did not let the market forces operate freely,
08:59you yourself put a price on the dollar.
09:02You tried to freeze it at 2.20.
09:04What was the result?
09:06That there was rapid inflation here.
09:0835% inflation is not a gift of Imran Khan.
09:10It is a gift of his wrong decision.
09:12What happened because of that?
09:14You saw hyperinflation in this country.
09:16And now the inflation has stabilized.
09:18But they have curbed it.
09:19Look, I have told you the numbers.
09:21It has come in single digits.
09:22Why has it come in single digits?
09:23Because where is the dollar now?
09:25The dollar has crossed 280.
09:27The dollar had to go up.
09:29That's when it had to come down.
09:30Then what did you do next?
09:31You increased the interest rate all the time.
09:33In the history of this country,
09:35you have increased the interest rate by more than 22%.
09:38It has gone to 23%.
09:39And now it is at 11%.
09:41Now it is at 12%.
09:42What you are talking about is month on month.
09:44What is yearly is at 12%.
09:46Even now if you say that there is single digit inflation,
09:49no large scale manufacturer lends at 11%.
09:53It still needs to come down.
09:55But why can't they bring it down?
09:57Look, what is the problem?
09:58Overall, if you see,
10:00large scale manufacturing has become your contract.
10:022% has become your contract.
10:04When your demand-driven economy is not there.
10:07Where is the economy running?
10:09The economy is running at bare minimum.
10:11People are fulfilling their basic needs.
10:13The day you bring your interest rate down to a single digit,
10:17let the lending begin,
10:18let the market move a little,
10:20then you ask where is the inflation?
10:22Now the situation is...
10:23No, so what they have done
10:25by bringing your interest rate down,
10:27if it goes to a single digit,
10:29then it will be demand-driven.
10:30People should buy it.
10:31The real thing will be tested then.
10:33The test of the economy is now
10:35whether they can sustain this thing or not.
10:37Now you see,
10:38you have put the economy on a ventilator.
10:40On a ventilator,
10:41the patient's needs become minimal.
10:43You say,
10:44the patient has to save on food.
10:45But tell me one thing,
10:46obviously, Mr. Tariq Fazal will also shed light on this,
10:48but the point is that
10:49in this one year,
10:50things,
10:51they seem to be in the right direction.
10:53Apparently.
10:54It's okay,
10:55after leaving the ICU,
10:56you are moving towards a little improvement,
10:57but a lot of work can be done.
10:58Mr. Kaira has meanwhile joined us.
11:00Mr. Kaira, please tell us,
11:01I was talking to Mr. Tariq Fazal Chaudhary
11:03and Mr. Umair Niazi.
11:04In the beginning,
11:05I have said something,
11:06Mr. Prime Minister said something,
11:07that,
11:08we were moving towards a default,
11:11and now the parameters are positive.
11:13You are not a part of the government,
11:15but you are with us,
11:16and without your support,
11:17the government cannot function.
11:18So, there is something
11:19that you are satisfied with,
11:20that you are doing the right thing.
11:23What's your thought, sir?
11:27Look,
11:28the first thing is that
11:30Pakistan's economy,
11:31or our politics,
11:32or overall,
11:33our system,
11:34is so vulnerable,
11:36that if we keep it open
11:38and debate it,
11:40then we might not be able
11:42to reach a goal.
11:44If we want to see,
11:46generally,
11:47whether the government's
11:48limits are correct today,
11:50then a lot of signs of limits
11:52are moving towards improvement.
11:53That's right.
11:54You can see the trade deficit
11:56getting better.
11:57You can see the recovery
11:58in revenue getting better.
12:00The trust between the country
12:02and the non-country,
12:03the business class,
12:05and the international forces,
12:07has increased.
12:09So, these indicators are better.
12:11The remittances have improved.
12:13Apart from many challenges.
12:14If we say that everything
12:16has improved,
12:17and it has become sustainable,
12:18then no,
12:19there are still a lot of challenges.
12:20Right.
12:21But,
12:22with whom do we have to compete?
12:24With two years ago,
12:26with last year,
12:28or with the last 70 years?
12:30Or with other countries
12:31in the region?
12:33With other countries in the region,
12:35and the government that comes,
12:36the work of that government,
12:40has improved.
12:41And I think,
12:42the day the government came,
12:44all the big challenges,
12:45we were at the verge of default.
12:47At the verge of default.
12:48There has been improvement.
12:51Trust has increased.
12:53The lending agency
12:54is ready to give you
12:55more loans.
12:56The government has made
12:57difficult decisions.
12:58This is correct,
12:59that with the government's decisions,
13:01the life of the common man
13:03has increased.
13:04Electricity rates have increased.
13:06Gas rates have increased.
13:07Taxes have been increased.
13:08Subsidies have ended.
13:09This is correct,
13:10but subsidies have ended.
13:11All these things were extremely difficult.
13:13For a political government,
13:15making this decision
13:16is a very difficult task.
13:17And when there are already
13:18a lot of political challenges,
13:20making this decision,
13:21so these decisions
13:22were taken by the government.
13:23I think,
13:24it was a matter of courage.
13:25Yes,
13:26if we see
13:27what else should be done,
13:28or what journey is left,
13:30then a lot of journey is left.
13:32Right now,
13:33whatever is happening,
13:34we have to stabilize it.
13:35And then,
13:36we are now
13:37in such a situation,
13:39I think,
13:40that when a stone
13:42falls from a mountain,
13:44the first thing to do
13:45is to slow down
13:46that stone and stop it.
13:47This is correct.
13:48And then,
13:49we have to make it
13:50travel back.
13:51You have succeeded
13:52in trying to stop it.
13:54The journey to return
13:55is still difficult.
13:56And in that,
13:57we all have to
13:58support the government.
14:00There are political differences
14:02between us.
14:03There are forums.
14:04But,
14:05writing letters
14:06to different states,
14:07saying that
14:08we should not
14:09cooperate with Pakistan,
14:10we should not
14:11lend money to Pakistan.
14:12This is the situation.
14:13Without doing this,
14:14if we can
14:15take our objectives
14:16forward,
14:17then it is better.
14:18But do you think
14:19that these institutions
14:20work on these letters?
14:21They work on their relations
14:22with the government.
14:23Mr. Qaria?
14:24Yes,
14:25it is definitely like that.
14:26It is definitely like that.
14:27But,
14:28if we keep
14:29giving bad news
14:30to Pakistan,
14:31or
14:32try to
14:33use our
14:34forums,
14:35or
14:36use the overseas
14:37Pakistanis
14:38who are
14:39with them,
14:40then it can
14:41only add to
14:42the problems
14:43for Pakistan.
14:44It cannot improve.
14:45Okay.
14:46Mr. Tariq Fazal Chaudhary?
14:47If the
14:48Prime Minister
14:49had a conversation
14:50today,
14:51and he talked
14:52a lot,
14:53he talked
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14:55he talked
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14:59he talked
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15:07the
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15:11But,
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30:25cafeteria. When I sent the bill, they messaged me that these people are looting you.
30:31Okay.
30:32Honestly, I have it, I can send it to you too.
30:34Okay.
30:35The situation is that I, Alhamdulillah, I have raised a complaint as a loyal minister.
30:40As federal minister, I don't have a car, nor do I get paid. I am using my own car,
30:45putting my own petrol, running my own office. Tell me how will I be a burden on the national treasury?
30:50But you are entitled.
30:51Yes, I am entitled.
30:53But you are not taking it from yourself.
30:54I am not taking it, no one is taking it.
30:56Okay, fine.
30:57I have not given permission to any minister to withdraw his salary from the national treasury.
31:03Okay.
31:04Our cabinet is present for a year, they are also not taking salaries.
31:07Okay.
31:08I am telling you this on the record.
31:10Yes, I remember this last time too, when the PDM government was running.
31:13Absolutely, no one is taking salary.
31:15And now we have not even got the cars, nor have we asked for it, nor have we asked.
31:19So the request is that, look, one minister cannot run two ministries.
31:24This is a considered opinion of mine.
31:27And if you take an opinion from anywhere, then you will get the same opinion,
31:32that for better performance, a minister should have a ministry.
31:36Okay.
31:37So this is done to improve your performance.
31:40There will be no burden on the national treasury.
31:42But as far as the relationship is concerned, optics, I agree with you, absolutely.
31:47The salaries that we have, recently there was a strike,
31:52in fact I am also a member of that committee,
31:55which is represented by Al-Pakistan, our workers.
32:00And we talked to them.
32:02We saw how much scope we have.
32:04In that, we sat with our minister of national treasury, Sakhi.
32:08We saw everything.
32:10How much scope do we have?
32:13Look, we are in a program with IMF.
32:15You have written some conditions there as well.
32:18Then you have to see how much our expenses are.
32:21How much source of income do we have?
32:23You have taken a loan.
32:24You have to survive within that.
32:26Why don't I feel that our clerk brother, if he is taking a salary of Rs. 60,000,
32:33then why doesn't he take Rs. 120,000?
32:36Dr. Tariq doesn't have to pay from his pocket.
32:38The minister of national treasury or the prime minister doesn't have to pay from his pocket.
32:41But those resources should be present in the country.
32:43I have told you that in a year, we have tried our best to improve the situation.
32:50And now, the country has come to a point where the risk of default has been removed.
32:54Indicators are improving.
32:56And when the economic indicators improve, then the ultimate beneficiary will be the people.
33:01Now, you will see that very soon, electricity prices will be reduced.
33:04Let's hope for the best.
33:06Because now the weather is good.
33:08When summer comes, people are worried.
33:11What will happen next?
33:13Inshallah, the prices of summer will be under control.
33:15And people's lives will be easier.
33:18This is our commitment.
33:20With ourselves and with the country.
33:22He has clarified a lot.
33:24The thing is that nothing will happen without increasing the tax base.
33:28They have given the goal of tax.
33:30But they are not doing anything wrong.
33:32They are taking tax from the same people who have already given it.
33:37You have increased your tax collection target from Rs 8500 to Rs 13000.
33:43Which new sector have you involved in that?
33:45Zaraat has been imposed.
33:47No, Zaraat is a provincial tax.
33:49It will not come under their target.
33:51The Tajar Dost scheme has come.
33:53They have sat down.
33:55The thing is, how will it come overall?
33:58There should be a paymaster.
34:00The government is not everyone's paymaster.
34:03Who is the paymaster?
34:06You don't encourage it.
34:08What is the cruelty here?
34:10The government is going to take the biggest loan from the private banks.
34:14When the private banks are getting their interest, why will they lend it to the common man?
34:18What is the percentage of SME who gets a loan here?
34:22When SME does not get a loan, your base will not increase.
34:25If the base does not increase, where will you get the tax increase?
34:28The thing is not focused on those things.
34:30You have increased the minister.
34:32There are ministries for work.
34:34Give a target to the ministries.
34:36How much growth will you contribute?
34:38There will be an announcement.
34:40The minister is a minister.
34:42Whether he is a penman or not.
34:44This is the policy.
34:46Mr. Khaira, tell me.
34:48The way you live together.
34:50You are defending the government's policies.
34:53You are telling us which venues need to be worked on.
34:57You can do this as a part of the government.
35:01You can do this formally.
35:03You can do this as a part of the cabinet.
35:05It is not that you have not been told.
35:07You have not been approached.
35:09What is the reason that you are not crossing this line?
35:13Which you did in the era of PDM.
35:15I request on this.
35:17I will give a little insight on the topic.
35:21I will give a little insight on the topic.
35:25I will give a little insight on the topic.
35:27The increase in the market.
35:29The increase in the market.
35:31First of all.
35:33MNA has a net rank salary.
35:35Both my brothers are MNA.
35:37Before the increase in the salary.
35:39Before the increase in the salary.
35:41The total amount of his announcement.
35:43The total amount of his announcement.
35:45He gets 2.5 to 3 lakhs.
35:47If someone comes from far.
35:49If someone comes from far.
35:51But the general salary is less than 2 lakhs.
35:53Even now.
35:55Even now
35:57Even now
35:59We had a discussion on this.
36:01We had a discussion on this.
36:03I will act.
36:05I will act.
36:07I have done less than the deputy sector.
36:09I have done less than the deputy sector.
36:11As far as.
36:13As far as.
36:15Pakistan privileges are also very bad.
36:17Pakistan privileges are also very bad.
36:19You gives house to the deputy sector.
36:21The third thing is that he gives rent and bills and runs the expenses of his kitchen himself.
36:28The third requirement.
36:29This is our concept that by increasing the cabinet, a lot of expenses have increased.
36:35Remember that if there were 15 ministers before, then every minister had 2-3 machines.
36:40So those machines also had cars.
36:42Amla was also there.
36:44The offices were also there.
36:46Whether those ministers go and sit in those offices or not, that office is there.
36:51Today the new ministers have come.
36:53No new car will be bought.
36:55No new office will be built.
36:57There will be no new appointment.
36:59The staff present from the beginning.
37:01So one minister had three ministries.
37:03Now with three ministers, each ministry will have one.
37:06So actually, there will be no difference on the ground.
37:10In fact, there is another thing.
37:12My colleagues will support this.
37:14When a person becomes a minister, his net drawing salary is reduced.
37:19Because he gets the privilege of TA, DA.
37:22Or when he gets TA, DA, his salary is reduced.
37:27Mr. Omair, you tell me.
37:29Basically, my point of reference was that there are many other departments where this work is being done.
37:35And now the FBI is saying that we need 1000-1200-1300 cars.
37:39That we have to give it to the field staff.
37:41But where is the tax collection coming from?
37:43How many other departments are there?
37:45And where is the tax collection coming from?
37:47And where is the tax collection coming from?
37:49And where is the tax collection coming from?
37:51And where is the tax collection coming from?
37:53And where is the tax collection coming from?
37:55And where is the tax collection coming from?
37:57And where is the tax collection coming from?
37:59So, giving free units, giving gas for free, having tax-free pensions.
38:05Is this a good thing in these circumstances?
38:09Not at all.
38:10See, there is a big mismatch.
38:12As you said about FBI.
38:14FBI's maximum tax collection is at source.
38:17FBI's officers are not involved in that.
38:20The manufacturer, the retailer is cutting at source.
38:24It is being deposited in the account.
38:26So, which FBI official is involved in that?
38:28Things happen there.
38:30So, how are 1010 cars justified?
38:33This is the thing to understand.
38:35See, the oversight is very weak.
38:37Someone makes a summary.
38:38Let's do those things.
38:40We are already working.
38:41First, streamline that thing.
38:43Let's talk about digitalization.
38:45That we are digitalizing FBI.
38:47Has anyone ever seen FBI?
38:49FBI has been digitalized for a long time.
38:51It has been there for a long time.
38:53The return files are being made electronically.
38:56The only purpose is to put up banners.
38:58We are labeling the same thing again and again.
39:01But the real root cause, the root problem,
39:04we will touch upon that.
39:06We will touch upon that only when
39:08these people themselves will go to the courts and see what is happening.
39:11When you agree with the summary made by Officer Shahi,
39:14then you will proceed accordingly.
39:16And they are basically making you dance on the fingertips.
39:19This is the problem of Pakistan.
39:21The politicians of Pakistan will have to open their eyes.
39:24They will have to go and see things for themselves.
39:27They will see all the problems.
39:28They will be able to see them and they will be fine.
39:30What is your assessment?
39:31We will ask Mr. Khaira as well.
39:33Why is the People's Party, despite all the support,
39:35not joining the government?
39:37See, there is a simple answer to this.
39:39See, they increased the cabinet here as well as in Punjab.
39:42This is a sinking boat.
39:44They do this in the last days.
39:46When you are convincing everyone,
39:48you distribute portfolios.
39:50The political brunt of this thing,
39:52the People's Party does not want to take this decision.
39:55They have their political capital on one side.
39:58They are saying that the people who are on this boat should sink.
40:01They should not harm us.
40:02Mr. Khaira, it is like this.
40:03The people who are on this boat should sink.
40:05They should be harmed.
40:06Mr. Umair Niazi is saying that
40:07this is why you are not becoming a part of the government.
40:09We are on this boat.
40:11We, the government and the opposition.
40:13If there is a chance of sinking in this boat,
40:16then neither will the government survive,
40:18nor will we survive,
40:19nor will the opposition survive.
40:20Everyone will be harmed.
40:21But what is the point of becoming a part of the cabinet?
40:23I am asking for the sake of it.
40:25This was our decision from the first day,
40:27that a party should run its own government.
40:30We are with it.
40:32We are facilitating the government in every matter.
40:35We have some complaints,
40:36we have some objections,
40:37they are in their place.
40:38But we have not allowed the government to be blocked anywhere.
40:41In fact, even if it is going to happen somewhere,
40:43we will move forward and resolve the matter.
40:46So, this was our decision from the first day.
40:48We were told,
40:49we were offered to do it for two and a half years.
40:52We thought,
40:53the chairman said that
40:54no, if we give the impression of two and a half years,
40:57then the government will be sitting on the first day.
40:59This impression is not good.
41:01We are not in power,
41:02but we are with you.
41:04But you have your reservations.
41:06If we see,
41:07are there any agreements that are being discussed?
41:09Absolutely.
41:10Some meetings are also very important.
41:11Absolutely.
41:12So, what has been decided so far?
41:14Yes, absolutely.
41:15What is the way forward now?
41:17Not all the agreements have been followed.
41:21Now, it will be further decided in the meeting.
41:23And we expect that those agreements will be followed.
41:26But in spite of this,
41:27in view of the state of the country,
41:29we understand that
41:30we need to move forward with patience.
41:35Okay.
41:36Thank you so much,
41:37Thank you so much,
41:38Mr. Qamar Zaman Kaira,
41:39Mr. Barrister Meharjee
41:40and Mr. Tariq Fazal Chaudhary
41:41were present with us.
41:42Let's take a break here.
41:44After the break,
41:45we will conclude the program.
41:49Welcome back.
41:50At the end of the program,
41:51a year of the government has been completed.
41:53Indicators are positive.
41:54The economic situation is good.
41:56But a lot needs to be improved.
41:58For example,
41:59your tax to GDP ratio
42:01needs to be improved.
42:03Especially,
42:04this per capita income
42:06needs to be increased.
42:07If we talk about our investment,
42:10it needs to be increased.
42:12Especially,
42:13this export,
42:14because our economy should be
42:15an export-driven economy.
42:16But it is not.
42:17So, to increase it,
42:18a lot of steps need to be taken.
42:20Along with this,
42:21if there are reforms in the power sector,
42:23and discos are established,
42:25and in the name of capacity payments,
42:27we have a lot of expenditures.
42:28So, this will be reduced.
42:29So, gradually,
42:30things will be on track.
42:33Hope is very good.
42:34Allah will make it better.
42:35This is all for today.
42:36I, Ashfaq Satti, take your leave.
42:38Allah Hafiz.