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- Shahid Rind (Spokesperson Balochistan Govt)
- Sanaullah Baloch (Mengal)
Jaffar Express operation complete, all 33 terrorists killed, 21 passengers martyred -Malick's Report
"Balochistan Mein Ek Soch Hai Ju Shuru Say Samjhti Hai Kay...", Sanaullah Baloch
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- Mazhar Abbas (Senior Analyst)
- Shahid Rind (Spokesperson Balochistan Govt)
- Sanaullah Baloch (Mengal)
Jaffar Express operation complete, all 33 terrorists killed, 21 passengers martyred -Malick's Report
"Balochistan Mein Ek Soch Hai Ju Shuru Say Samjhti Hai Kay...", Sanaullah Baloch
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:15First of all, I would like to congratulate the entire nation because a while ago DGISPR
00:20General Sharif told us that the train operation was very successful.
00:27It was successful in the sense that 400-450 people were hostaged and the entire territory was occupied.
00:34It was thought that the death toll would be very high.
00:36But it has been said that there were 21 casualties.
00:40Three of them were soldiers of the FDP who were attacked and martyred on the square.
00:4819-20 of the passengers were martyred.
00:51We do not know the details of those passengers.
00:55We have heard that there were people who had Punjabi ID cards or some other people who were going to their homes on holidays.
01:03In any case, 21 people were martyred.
01:06It is a very big number.
01:07When we look at 400-450, it seems very small.
01:10But it is not a matter of people's martyrdom.
01:13On the other hand, the terrorists, 33 were sent to hell.
01:18It has been said that there was a massive firepower exchange.
01:23I was talking to someone there.
01:25He said that you cannot imagine how many weapons were used and how intense the firing was there.
01:32There was an arm.
01:33Everything was there.
01:34In any case, drones were used.
01:36There were people from our special services group.
01:38There were all kinds of people.
01:39Hats off.
01:40A very big incident took place.
01:42As much damage as possible was not done.
01:44But the question arises what will happen now?
01:46This is not the first incident in Balochistan.
01:49Unfortunately, I am saying with a heavy heart that this will not be the last.
01:53Because the realities of the ground or the problems are in place.
01:58They are there.
01:59If you look under the ground, this is the richest area of Balochistan.
02:05If you stand on the ground, the people here are the poorest people of Pakistan.
02:11It is called the backward morning.
02:14If the youth in Punjab and Sindh are worried, then the youth there are hopeless.
02:20They do not see their future.
02:22And that is why they go to the culling field.
02:24They are exploited.
02:25Everything is in the hands of these terrorists.
02:27Harbiyar has died.
02:28Others have died.
02:29Some are sitting in Switzerland.
02:30Some are sitting in France.
02:31But the people who are in their hands, leave aside a special group,
02:37who may have vested interests.
02:39There are a lot of people who are connected.
02:43But there are two or three issues that are important to talk about.
02:47Missing persons.
02:48The issue of missing persons is a very old issue.
02:51It is still unresolved.
02:53A missing person commission was also made on it.
02:55And it is also true that many missing persons were identified in many incidents later.
03:00When people died in terrorist activity, many of them turned out to be missing persons.
03:06But they were not missing like that.
03:08They themselves disappeared and were in terrorist groups.
03:10But that does not mean that others are not missing.
03:13If the other people who talk about Ishrat-e-Balochistan,
03:17you can disagree with them.
03:19You can be upset with them.
03:21But it is very important to listen to their viewpoint.
03:24Today, Mr. Sarfaz Mukri, the chief minister of Balochistan,
03:27also said in his speech that it is important to talk.
03:31And he expressed his desire to talk.
03:33The question is, do our people know who to talk to?
03:37Because now, whoever we see,
03:39he is either an enemy or a friend.
03:41And we always talk to those who are against us.
03:44So, these issues are in their place.
03:47In today's program, we will try to understand
03:50what are the options now.
03:52Because we have not seen the government anywhere.
03:54Now, it has been reported that the prime minister is going to Quetta tomorrow
03:58and will hold a meeting of the administration.
04:00I said this yesterday and the day before yesterday
04:03that tomorrow should have been the doomsday in Islamabad.
04:05There should have been a cabinet meeting.
04:08Our Home Minister should have reached there immediately
04:11so that the people would realize that we are not alone.
04:15This post facto that if everything is done,
04:18we will go tomorrow,
04:20I don't know why we are going tomorrow.
04:22It would have been better if we had done our policy making here.
04:25Anyway, the issue is that one incident in Balochistan
04:29has ended relatively well today.
04:32What will happen next?
04:34Will they come to us to make big decisions?
04:37Will things escalate?
04:39Or will everyone give themselves a hard time
04:41that a great incident happened,
04:43we resolved it in a great way
04:45and it will be more of the same.
04:47Because a few days ago,
04:49I shared a news with you.
04:51I shared the news of 5th March with everyone.
04:56It was a news of 5th March,
04:5850 years old, 1975.
05:00And that day there was news that
05:02some terrorists were caught,
05:04a lot of weapons were recovered
05:06and they will be executed.
05:08The same news is going on today,
05:10it will go on tomorrow,
05:12it will be the day after tomorrow as well.
05:14Where do we move from here?
05:16We will talk about this.
05:18We have with us former Senator Sanawla Baloch.
05:20You remember that he resigned
05:22on the issues of Balochistan.
05:24And he gave a very strong, emotional
05:26and thought provoking speech in the Senate
05:28which we covered as reporters.
05:30It was one of the finest speeches
05:32that I have ever heard in the Senate.
05:34Mazhar Abbas, again,
05:36senior journalist is with us.
05:38Shahid Rinn, he was a journalist
05:40and you are a spokesman for the Balochistan Government.
05:42He has joined us.
05:44Brother Sanaw, let's start with you.
05:46Today, let's say,
05:48it was a disaster,
05:50it was saved from a catastrophe.
05:52It was a disaster,
05:54but Allah blessed us.
05:56A lot of things could have been very bad,
05:58but Allah blessed us.
06:00Now, let's talk about the future.
06:02There is an adversarial relationship
06:04between the people of Balochistan
06:06and the people of Balochistan.
06:08When I have travelled a lot in Balochistan,
06:10you know this,
06:12I have had meetings with you
06:14and other friends as well.
06:16The people of Balochistan
06:18have been seen as a security lens
06:20for the last six or seven decades.
06:22So, in every era,
06:24it has been understood that
06:26the provincial assembly
06:28should be controlled
06:30so that the needs of the security apparatus
06:32are fulfilled.
06:34It seems that the common man
06:36has a disconnect.
06:38The common man does not understand
06:40the credibility of these people.
06:42Sometimes they are after Marang Baloch,
06:44sometimes they are after Harbiyar Mari
06:46because genuine reasons are exploited.
06:48Now, tell me,
06:50today the CM has said
06:52that we should talk.
06:54If we talk, who will we talk to?
06:56Who will we talk to
06:58if the government decides today?
07:00Who should we talk to?
07:24If there is an event,
07:26an accident,
07:28an incident,
07:30then the real issue of Balochistan
07:32is lost.
07:34But when friends like you
07:36called,
07:38we said, let's try again today.
07:40So, you said a very good thing
07:42about who to talk to in Balochistan.
07:44Look, we in Balochistan,
07:46who are a sensible political youth
07:48or political parties
07:50of Balochistan,
07:52and you heard the words
07:54of one extreme today in the assembly,
07:56which is present in the form of the CM,
07:58which represents an extreme
08:00behind which there is a Muqtadara,
08:02an establishment, whatever it is.
08:04And the second extreme is that
08:06you are seeing that they are on the mountains.
08:08When you are in two extremes,
08:10then sensible, logical,
08:12and a very conclusive discussion
08:14is not possible.
08:16You remember when I resigned from the Senate,
08:18you also wrote an article
08:20At that time I said
08:22that we are going to resign.
08:24This is 2007 and 2008.
08:26The future generations
08:28who will be raised in this gun,
08:30it will be a new generation,
08:32it will be different.
08:34It will talk to you in the same way.
08:36This is still the subject of my speech,
08:38it is still in the Senate.
08:40So that generation has now grown up.
08:42That generation has taken care of everything
08:44in Balochistan.
08:46It is now logic, argument,
08:48promises,
08:50promises,
08:52they are not going to come now.
08:54Although we say that it is also not appropriate.
08:56The second extreme is that
08:58all the people in the state,
09:00including those people who are
09:02installed through rigged elections,
09:04through fake elections,
09:06these are the people,
09:08they also do not know
09:10the feelings of Balochistan,
09:12their emotions,
09:14the deprivation of Balochistan.
09:16Now you can imagine
09:18that your people are blind,
09:20they are blind,
09:22there are mothers, wives, children,
09:24poor sisters, we see that they have come.
09:26In such circumstances, you tell me,
09:28of any leader in any country in the world,
09:30show me the response of any government
09:32that they are so aggressive.
09:34Efforts are made in that.
09:36No matter how much you disagree with them,
09:38you are against them,
09:40they want freedom,
09:42they want to break the country.
09:44You said that in 70 years,
09:46try to gradually improve the situation
09:48of Balochistan,
09:50update your policy.
09:52You said a very good thing.
09:54You said that for the past 7 decades,
09:56Balochistan's issue has been
09:58considered with a security-centric
10:00approach,
10:02it is organized.
10:04In the beginning,
10:06Balochistan had a policy
10:08to keep Balochistan underdeveloped
10:10so that the effects of the Soviet Union
10:12could not reach there.
10:14Education should be less, roads should be less,
10:16electricity should be less, roads should be less,
10:18there should be no industrialization.
10:20These villages should remain,
10:22so that the Soviet Union does not reach
10:24those hot springs.
10:26When the Soviet Union ended,
10:28when the world changed,
10:30after that you adopted a policy
10:32of over-centralization,
10:34you adopted a policy of militarization.
10:36Now you have said that because
10:38education is coming,
10:40education is coming,
10:42education is coming,
10:44education is coming,
10:46education is coming,
10:48education is coming,
10:50education is coming,
10:52education is coming,
10:54education is coming,
10:56education is coming,
10:58education is coming,
11:00education is coming,
11:02education is coming,
11:04education is coming,
11:06education is coming,
11:08if a country does not solve
11:10its problems through
11:12democratic instruments,
11:14then people do not have a way.
11:16I am saying that what is step one?
11:18We have to talk about it,
11:20we have to take it somewhere.
11:22If today the government thinks
11:24that we have to change the policy,
11:26and if your words make me feel
11:28that the old mainstream political
11:30parties and elements have become
11:32irrelevant or are becoming irrelevant,
11:34then what will be the first step?
11:36You have rightly said that
11:38we have not become irrelevant.
11:40We have all become tolerant
11:42that there are two extremes
11:44and there is no room for us.
11:46When the government adopted
11:48its extreme policy,
11:50then as a result,
11:52all the moderate people
11:54gradually, definitely,
11:56then you also create
11:58extreme ideas in society.
12:00Now, when in the last days
12:02this past assembly,
12:04when there were 8-10 members
12:06in the assembly,
12:08I got a resolution adopted
12:10unanimously by the Balochistan
12:12Assembly in the last days.
12:14I always used to say that
12:16Balochistan does not benefit
12:18from parliamentary politics,
12:20but at least there should be
12:22some serious and sensible people
12:24who can convey this message
12:26to the National Assembly
12:28or the Senate in Islamabad,
12:30who can reach you,
12:32I got it approved.
12:34I analyzed all the ethnic
12:36conflicts, insurgencies,
12:38violent extremist conflicts
12:40of the world and told them
12:42to keep Balochistan in any context.
12:44I gave an example of Aceh.
12:46From 1976 to 2005,
12:48Indonesia's military
12:50was more powerful than us.
12:52The conflict that was going on in Aceh,
12:54in 2005, there was a peace agreement
12:56in Alanski.
12:58Under that peace agreement,
13:00we did not get independence,
13:02but we got greater autonomy,
13:04we got the power over resources,
13:06security was reduced,
13:08political power was given to people,
13:10free elections were held.
13:12What happened?
13:14Indonesia regained its independence.
13:16Indonesia's GDP and economy
13:18was very weak.
13:20In 2008, I wrote an article
13:22which was published in Don,
13:24A Lesson from Indonesia.
13:26We said that when you see
13:28two or three models,
13:30you have to move forward.
13:32The best forum for that was
13:34the Assembly.
13:36The Assembly was so corrupt
13:38that no respectable person
13:40wants to take the name of
13:42politics and elections in Balochistan.
13:44Who created these systems?
13:46These passionate young people
13:48of Balochistan did not create them.
13:50Our serious leaders destroyed
13:52all the institutions in Balochistan
13:54for their interests.
13:56I think the points are well taken.
13:58Let me include the rest.
14:00You may have heard things.
14:02There is nothing offensive.
14:04It is a very historic analysis.
14:06Your CM has spoken today.
14:08Who will he speak to?
14:10You must have identified someone.
14:12Who will he speak to?
14:14Who are these people?
14:16Thank you, Mr. Malik.
14:18Sana complained at the beginning of the program.
14:20I understand this complaint
14:22to some extent.
14:24Instead of emotional
14:26talk on Balochistan,
14:28let's talk on substance.
14:30The things Sana said are very important.
14:32No one can deny their importance.
14:34Let me start the conversation.
14:36Sana mentioned her resignation
14:38in 2007.
14:40The things she said
14:42will have a substance.
14:44Sana is a wise leader.
14:46But such a wise leader
14:48and her political party
14:50boycotted the elections in 2008.
14:52She gave the example of Aache,
14:54the example of autonomy.
14:56The rights were given there.
14:58They asked for freedom.
15:00But it is just an example.
15:02It is like asking for a gun license
15:04and taking a pistol.
15:06In 2008, the Balochistan National Party
15:08boycotted the elections.
15:10Even after that boycott,
15:12the Balochistan National Party
15:14was not present on the floor.
15:16But in 2010, you will remember,
15:18I will remember,
15:20if you look at the three main reasons
15:22behind the 18th amendment,
15:24which you can say
15:26that the big political parties,
15:28the Pakistan People's Party
15:30and the Pakistan Muslim League
15:32put their interests in it.
15:34But the third big factor
15:36was Balochistan,
15:38whose rights were discussed.
15:40In 2010, the 18th amendment
15:42and after the 7th NFC award,
15:44look, the case that Sana
15:46made for the last 10, 12, 15 years,
15:48I will second that
15:50we used to give space to Sana
15:52in the media
15:54that there is weight in her words,
15:56there is logic in her words.
15:58But after 2010,
16:00the work that was to be done
16:02after the 18th amendment
16:04was to be done in this province.
16:06After the 7th NFC award,
16:08your share went to 9.0.
16:10Looking at that,
16:12the work you needed to do in Quetta
16:14was not done by our provincial governments.
16:16In 2018,
16:18the loyalty of the government
16:20remained the same for 3.5 years
16:22of Imran Khan's government
16:24and then for 1.5 years of PDM's government.
16:26Shahid, let me intervene.
16:28Listen to me.
16:30I don't want to discuss
16:32what the party did
16:34on the Mengal group,
16:36what BNP Mengal did,
16:38who didn't do what.
16:40My question was very simple.
16:42Otherwise, this debate will go on.
16:44I want a serious debate on Balochistan.
16:46Your Prime Minister said
16:48that we should talk about this.
16:50Do you know
16:52who you want to talk to?
16:54Who do you want to talk to?
16:56It's a very interesting situation.
16:58The Chief Minister
17:00when Sana is present here,
17:02when the provincial government
17:04was established,
17:06after the establishment of the provincial government,
17:08there is only one member
17:10of the Balochistan National Party,
17:12and there was a debate
17:14in the Chief Minister's house
17:16in Quetta, on the highest forum.
17:18The Chief Minister
17:20invited the Iraqi Assembly
17:22and Mir Jahanzaib Mengal.
17:24He confirmed that he will come to that meeting.
17:26He didn't come to that meeting.
17:28This is the Iraqi Assembly to engage.
17:30There is nothing out of the box.
17:32Whatever decision is to be made,
17:34Sarkaraz Gupti is not the king
17:36to sit and make decisions.
17:38Decisions should be made by the people of the provincial assembly.
17:40This is not my question.
17:42Listen to me.
17:44Listen to me.
17:46I have to bring Mazhar as well.
17:48My question is this.
17:50I want to know something else.
17:52In my opinion,
17:54this is a serious credibility issue.
17:56The way people get elected in Balochistan,
17:58the way they come,
18:00there are no two opinions in this.
18:02You can also debate.
18:04You are a government spokesperson.
18:06I understand your compulsion.
18:08The issue is
18:10that this is a serious issue.
18:12I am asking you.
18:14The time has passed.
18:16What do I have to say?
18:18The issue is
18:20that this is a parliamentary credibility issue.
18:22These people are not carrying guns.
18:24These people are not following Marang Baloch.
18:26Obviously, there is a narrative in the market.
18:28Whether it is wrong or right,
18:30there is a narrative
18:32which thousands of people are following.
18:34Now, the narrative
18:36that they are following,
18:38you will have to talk to one of them.
18:40The one who did not pick up the gun.
18:42Do you think
18:44there is a partner of dialogue
18:46from the other side?
18:48Have you identified anyone?
18:50Who is it?
18:52Let's talk about the partner of dialogue.
18:54I will give you an example of today.
18:56Maulana Hidayat-ur-Rehman
18:58is currently on the opposition benches.
19:00Maulana Hidayat-ur-Rehman
19:02wrote down his points
19:04and gave it to the Chief Minister
19:06that these points should be discussed.
19:08The Chief Minister admitted
19:10that the points he wrote down
19:12are 8-10 points that can be discussed.
19:14Sana is a person
19:16who has a lot of influence.
19:18If in all this situation,
19:20the Balochistan National Party
19:22or Sana Baloch or Sardar Akhtar Mingal
19:24can play any role,
19:26when the doors of Sarfaraz Bugti
19:28are opened for Jamiat-e-Ulema-e-Islam
19:30and Maulana Hidayat-ur-Rehman,
19:32how can they play any role?
19:34Sana, I need a quick comment on this.
19:36I want to bring Mazhar here.
19:38You are the ones who are talking.
19:44More importantly,
19:46can this problem be solved in Quetta?
19:50No, sir.
19:52It cannot be solved in Quetta.
19:54This is a matter of Rawalabad.
19:56Rawalpindi and Islamabad.
19:58As long as Rawalabad's mindset
20:00does not change with Balochistan,
20:02at that time,
20:04not a single leaf can move in Balochistan.
20:06The voices, speeches,
20:08and sentiments of the people
20:10have to appease
20:12the leaders of Rawalabad,
20:14Rawalpindi and Islamabad
20:16that we can go to this extent.
20:18Although, this is not the case.
20:20When you talked about
20:22where to start negotiations,
20:24these crises and conflicts
20:26do not happen on the table
20:28This is not a matter of business dealings.
20:32When Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti
20:34was facing a problem,
20:36when there was a big movement in Balochistan,
20:38that was the end of the concurrent list
20:40which had 48 subjects.
20:42The first resolution,
20:44the constitutional amendment bill
20:46was mine.
20:48It came in 2004.
20:50Wasim Sajjad, who was the leader of the house,
20:52was rejected in the history of Pakistan.
20:54For the first time,
20:56in 2004,
20:58it came through my legislative bill.
21:00Then Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti was martyred.
21:02Thousands of people in Balochistan
21:04lost their lives.
21:06They were displaced.
21:08Because of this,
21:10there was some flexibility in the constitution.
21:12But on any article of the constitution,
21:14in Pakistan,
21:16you tell me,
21:18is your media free?
21:20Is there freedom of speech?
21:22If I understand you,
21:24you are saying,
21:26please correct me if I am wrong,
21:28that Balochistan should be seen
21:30from a development lens
21:32and not a security lens,
21:34and people should have a partnership.
21:36I will explain this a little more.
21:38The problem is,
21:40when you say,
21:42who should we negotiate with?
21:44You don't need to negotiate.
21:46These children and mothers,
21:48this drama has been going on for 20 years.
21:50Our children, mothers, sisters, wives,
21:52the justice system has not been strengthened.
21:54If you had strengthened it in 20 years,
21:56you would have solved this problem of the missing.
21:58This is for negotiations.
22:00The confidence building measures
22:02we gave in 2013,
22:04in 2008, when I resigned.
22:06Confidence building measures
22:08are to move towards dialogue.
22:10Yes, I will give you some space,
22:12you will give me some space.
22:14Gradually, the crisis
22:16has increased in 30-40 years.
22:18A process of 2-3 years is needed.
22:20A process of 2-3 years is needed.
22:22We need a lot of credible leadership.
22:24The credibility of this assembly
22:26is zero.
22:28We will not negotiate with a transporter.
22:30Let me get Mazhar.
22:32Let me get Mazhar.
22:34Mazhar, I am sorry I took you in a little late,
22:36but I wanted to talk to both of you.
22:38Sana has said a very interesting thing.
22:40She said,
22:42the real thing is CBMs.
22:44You need CBMs so that
22:46there is a process.
22:48We warned that
22:50an extreme generation will come.
22:52They will be disappointed.
22:54They will be exploited.
22:56We don't need rocket science.
22:58In Balochistan,
23:00India is investing money.
23:02Some Gulf states are investing money.
23:04Gwadar doesn't like Oman,
23:06UAE, Iran.
23:08Those ports directly hurt
23:10their financial interests.
23:12India has
23:14636 billion
23:16reserves.
23:18They will invest 2-3 billion.
23:20They don't care about unrest.
23:22It's not like us.
23:24These are all factors.
23:26These are ground realities.
23:28According to him,
23:30if
23:32the security
23:34of Rawalabad
23:36doesn't change,
23:38will Balochistan remain like this?
23:40Do we have any option?
23:42Sir,
23:44what is Balochistan's
23:46case?
23:48You have left Balochistan
23:50alone.
23:52Balochistan's case was very simple.
23:54In Balochistan,
23:56not only in Balochistan,
23:58there was national politics in the whole of Pakistan.
24:00Especially in Balochistan,
24:02in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
24:04the National Awami Party
24:06and Jamiatul Ulma-e-Islam dominated their politics.
24:08You
24:10ended national politics
24:12by banning the National Awami Party.
24:14And after that,
24:16as you said
24:18in the beginning,
24:20the Iraqi Embassy
24:22and then this.
24:24You tried to brand that leadership
24:26that they are terrorists.
24:28They are traitors.
24:30And they went to the mountains.
24:32When you ended national politics,
24:34it gave birth to
24:36nationalist politics.
24:38And then General Javed Aulaq
24:40tried to use it
24:42for his purposes.
24:44Then when the Akbar Mukhti incident happened,
24:46that nationalist politics
24:48turned into extremist politics.
24:50And then it went towards
24:52extremism.
24:54And then you brought
24:56the hand-picked people.
24:58You even started isolating
25:00the politicians in Balochistan
25:02who spoke of national politics.
25:04You started
25:06isolating them.
25:08You started bringing
25:10your hand-picked people.
25:12Who was the last victim of this?
25:14In the end, in 2018,
25:16the government of Balochistan,
25:18because they were looking ahead of you,
25:20you rebelled against
25:22the Muslim League.
25:24And then you brought a group
25:26called the Balochistan Awami Party.
25:28What happened after that in the Senate?
25:30You defeated
25:32Mir Hassan Bidinjo.
25:34You deliberately defeated him.
25:36Despite this,
25:38what do you need today?
25:40Today,
25:42such a leadership has emerged
25:44in the field,
25:46apart from the one who is talking about
25:48individualism.
25:50Which people does that leadership include?
25:52That leadership includes
25:54those boys and girls whose
25:56people are missing from their homes.
25:58Or they have been killed.
26:00Your
26:02end is that
26:04you have made the report of the
26:06Missing Persons Commission missing.
26:08You tell me, where is
26:10Justice Javed Iqbal's report?
26:12Where is the report of the Missing Persons Commission?
26:14What things have been
26:16highlighted in it?
26:18Does anyone know about it?
26:20Why have you made a commission
26:22for so many years?
26:24Then the boys and girls in people's minds,
26:26the way the girls
26:28have emerged in Balochistan,
26:30did you ever imagine this before?
26:32Today, the leaders of your Balochistan
26:34have become irrelevant.
26:36Today, either
26:38we are seeing in the same way
26:40that we have seen in the past,
26:42the Damacus and Jaffar Express.
26:44Or
26:46you have that leadership
26:48who says, who are we talking to?
26:50How can we talk
26:52to this government?
26:54They are not representatives, they do not believe them.
26:56So, what is the solution you have?
26:58The solution you have is that
27:00before the elections,
27:02make those serious politicians of Balochistan
27:04sit,
27:06whom you deliberately
27:08sidelined,
27:10whom you deliberately defeated,
27:12to bring their handpicked people.
27:14Talk to them.
27:16Take a step forward.
27:18Take a step forward and talk to those people
27:20who are in the field at the moment.
27:22Whether they are in the form of Maharag Baloch
27:24or in the form of someone else.
27:26Talk to them.
27:28In the period of Dr. Malik,
27:30we had seen a little
27:32that you went and started
27:34talking to those people.
27:36But this will be controversial.
27:38Look, Balochistan,
27:40if you talk to those people today,
27:42they will say, what is in the hands of Sarfaraz Mukti?
27:44What will we get
27:46by talking to Sarfaraz Mukti?
27:48Who is Sarfaraz Mukti?
27:50So, you have to change
27:52the attitude of Islamabad.
27:54This handpick,
27:56this handpick,
27:58you cannot solve the issue of Balochistan
28:00by bringing Sanjarani and such people.
28:02These people are Balochistan.
28:04Okay, I am being told about the break.
28:06After the break,
28:08maybe I will take an answer from you.
28:10And I also want to know that
28:12a problem has never ended.
28:14That was of missing people.
28:16Why can't it end?
28:18You are with the government.
28:20Tell me, have you seen it?
28:22Have you worked on it?
28:24These are the talks after the break.
28:32Yes, welcome back to the show.
28:34Maybe I will start with you.
28:36There is a little time.
28:38I want to talk more.
28:40Missing persons,
28:42why can't this problem be solved?
28:44Sir, the simple answer to this is
28:46that the political parties of Balochistan
28:48certainly used this issue
28:50for their narrative.
28:52What will be the implementation
28:54and resolve of this issue?
28:56It is the responsibility of the legislators.
28:58It is not the responsibility of the legislator
29:00to stand on the floor of the house
29:02and give a speech and point out the issue.
29:04His job is to resolve the issue
29:06being a legislator.
29:08When the current provincial government
29:10was established,
29:12Sarfaraz Bugti's view,
29:14which Sana said a little while ago,
29:16this is Sana's position,
29:18I respect it,
29:20but if this issue has to be resolved,
29:22then the Balochistan Provincial Assembly
29:24has to do it.
29:26But if a member is elected
29:28under a policy,
29:30then what is his status?
29:32How will he change the policy?
29:36Sir, this is a matter
29:38on which we can talk about
29:40perception and reality.
29:42You said that a person,
29:44you do not call him elected,
29:46you call him selected.
29:48You said that a person,
29:50you do not call him elected,
29:52you call him selected.
29:54You said that a person,
29:56you do not call him selected.
29:58You said that a person,
30:00you do not call him selected.
30:02You said that a person,
30:04you do not call him selected.
30:06You said that a person,
30:08you do not call him selected.
30:10You said that a person,
30:12you do not call him selected.
30:14You said that a person,
30:16you do not call him selected.
30:18You said that a person,
30:20you do not call him selected.
30:22You said that a person,
30:24you do not call him selected.
30:26You said that a person,
30:28you do not call him selected.
30:30You said that a person,
30:32you do not call him selected.
30:34You said that a person,
30:36you do not call him selected.
30:38You said that a person,
30:40you do not call him selected.
30:42You said that a person,
30:44you do not call him selected.
30:46You said that a person,
30:48you do not call him selected.
30:50You said that a person,
30:52you do not call him selected.
30:54You said that a person,
30:56you do not call him selected.
30:58You said that a person,
31:00you do not call him selected.
31:02You said that a person,
31:04you do not call him selected.
31:06You said that a person,
31:08you do not call him selected.
31:10You said that a person,
31:12you do not call him selected.
31:14You said that a person,
31:16you do not call him selected.
31:18You said that a person,
31:20you do not call him selected.
31:22You said that a person,
31:24you do not call him selected.
31:26You said that a person,
31:28you do not call him selected.
31:30You said that a person,
31:32you do not call him selected.
31:34You said that a person,
31:36you do not call him selected.
31:38You said that a person,
31:40you do not call him selected.
31:42You said that a person,
31:44you do not call him selected.
31:46You said that a person,
31:48you do not call him selected.
31:50You said that a person,
31:52you do not call him selected.
31:54You said that a person,
31:56you do not call him selected.
31:58You said that a person,
32:00you do not call him selected.
32:02You said that a person,
32:04you do not call him selected.
32:06You said that a person,
32:08you do not call him selected.
32:10You said that a person,
32:12you do not call him selected.
32:14You said that a person,
32:16you do not call him selected.
32:18You said that a person,
32:20you do not call him selected.
32:22You said that a person,
32:24you do not call him selected.
32:26You said that a person,
32:28you do not call him selected.
32:30You said that a person,
32:32you do not call him selected.
32:34You said that a person,
32:36you do not call him selected.
32:38You said that a person,
32:40you do not call him selected.
32:42You said that a person,
32:44you do not call him selected.
32:46You said that a person,
32:48you do not call him selected.
32:50You said that a person,
32:52you do not call him selected.
32:54You said that a person,
32:56you do not call him selected.
32:58You said that a person,
33:00you do not call him selected.
33:02You said that a person,
33:04you do not call him selected.
33:06You said that a person,
33:08you do not call him selected.
33:10You said that a person,
33:12you do not call him selected.
33:14You said that a person,
33:16you do not call him selected.
33:18You said that a person,
33:20you do not call him selected.
33:22You said that a person,
33:24you do not call him selected.
33:26You said that a person,
33:28you do not call him selected.
33:30You said that a person,
33:32you do not call him selected.
33:34You said that a person,
33:36you do not call him selected.
33:38You said that a person,
33:40you do not call him selected.
33:42You said that a person,
33:44you do not call him selected.
33:46You said that a person,
33:48you do not call him selected.
33:50You said that a person,
33:52you do not call him selected.
33:54You said that a person,
33:56you do not call him selected.
33:58You said that a person,
34:00he should sit personally.
34:02Sana Baloch,
34:04Akhtar Bengal,
34:06other parties,
34:08Dr Malik should sit
34:10and do
34:12a thorough analyzing
34:15of the entire situation.
34:17And start giving the government and army
34:19what we consider to be
34:21the solution for the Balochistan issue.
34:23He should talk to all the people.
34:25He should talk to young people,
34:27he should talk to them.
34:29We can also do it with the outside leaguers, but they are on their own.
34:34Like I said, these are the people who have been a part of the national politics in Pakistan-Balochistan.
34:41These people are sitting, keep the government on one side, keep the establishment on one side,
34:47make about 15-20 proposals, solid proposals, and present them and make it public.
34:56What can be the minimum solution for Balochistan?
35:03Leave aside the maximum.
35:05How can Balochistan go on a better path?
35:09Because right now, not only the people are missing.
35:13In Balochistan, the writ of the state is also missing.
35:16In Balochistan, the constitution is also missing.
35:18In Balochistan, democracy is also missing.
35:21But give this solution and say that if you don't go this way,
35:28then our voices will also be silenced in Balochistan.
35:33Sana, why not? This is a very good proposal. Why don't you do this?
35:38I agree with Mr. Mazhar. This is a very good proposal.
35:43I have said this many times in my programs and in my writings that the issue of Balochistan has reached this stage.
35:51The political parties of Balochistan have also reached this stage.
35:54Secondly, if we want to go to a long-term decision,
35:58then we should get out of this emotional rhetoric and threatening each other.
36:03I think there should be a serious debate on Balochistan.
36:06For two days, for three days, in camera, off camera, not in assemblies.
36:09Somewhere in Islamabad, Karachi, Lahore, Peshawar, somewhere outside.
36:13But there should be a proper discussion.
36:16Let me get, I agree with you.
36:18Maybe you tell me, why don't your CM invite all these people?
36:22Come, sit off camera, take advice from them.
36:25And why don't you meet them?
36:27Sir, let me add a little.
36:30Let me add a little.
36:32The second thing in this is that they have already said that Mr. Sarfaraz's doors are open.
36:36May God not bring that day that for the issue of Balochistan,
36:39Sardar Akhtar Mingal and we go to Sarfaraz's door.
36:41Our issue is in Darbadao.
36:43Man does it for his own interest.
36:45Sana, then your ego.
36:47No, no, Sana, you also keep your ego aside.
36:50You also have your ego.
36:52It's not about ego.
36:54It's about the person, the power of the person.
36:57It is about meeting an office.
36:59No, I disagree.
37:00It is about meeting an office.
37:02Whether you like it or not, you will talk to the Prime Minister.
37:06Whether you like it or not, you will talk to the military leadership.
37:09People become irrelevant.
37:10You talk to the office.
37:12Yes, maybe.
37:13Yes, exactly.
37:14Mr. Malik, look, Mr. Malik,
37:16What Sana said, I don't expect this sentence from Sana.
37:20Being a democratic leader,
37:22I said at the beginning of the program that Sana said to talk about substance.
37:26Look, Sana said a sentence that the assembly is a modern place.
37:31This is what the floor of the house,
37:33Mr. Sarfaraz Gupti, has said today.
37:35And again and again, I am telling you that whatever their personal thoughts are,
37:40which Sana calls a complete extreme,
37:42but despite that,
37:43he is ready to give power to Dr. Malik on the same floor of the house.
37:47He is ready to give power to opposition leader Yunus Aziz Zehri.
37:50If Sana says that he does not trust Dr. Malik and Yunus Aziz Zehri,
37:54which is one of their stops.
37:56Leave it, leave it.
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