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Stefan Molyneux
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Friday Night Live 4 April 2025

In this episode, I critically analyze the Stanford Prison Experiment in light of Thibaut Le Texier's recent book and Russell T. Warne's critique, which questions the experiment's integrity and ethical violations. I challenge the notion of an inherent capacity for cruelty within humans, advocating for a more hopeful perspective on human nature.

Discussions on societal perceptions of morality and the impact of social norms on self-worth lead to an emphasis on honesty in relationships. As I critique sensationalized narratives that foster mistrust, I encourage listeners to reflect on their instincts and engage in genuine connections while advocating for moral accountability amidst life's complexities.

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Transcript
00:00:00Good evening. Welcome to your Friday night live
00:00:02fourth of
00:00:04April my god april already
00:00:062024 and 2025 boy time really is flying
00:00:11and
00:00:13I have
00:00:15Topics, of course, i'm sure you're aware
00:00:18That we do have
00:00:20topics as a whole
00:00:23I have lots of space in my brain heart and mind
00:00:26And for your questions and comments and preferences and what is nice for you
00:00:35And we could start with some fraud
00:00:45So, yeah, we could start with some fraud I mentioned this many years ago, but I came across it recently
00:00:50And I thought it was worth
00:00:53Talking about a little bit
00:00:56So, uh russell t warne, that's russ warne. W-a-r-n-e
00:01:00on x
00:01:02wrote
00:01:03Um, I finished reading thibaut letexier's book investigating the stanford prison experiment history of a lie
00:01:11This is the most thorough treatment of the real history behind the stanford prison experiment
00:01:17So
00:01:19This is his perspective on it
00:01:21Obviously haven't verified these claims but i'm putting them out there because they're interesting
00:01:25So the stanford prison experiment was this idea that you take a bunch of random college students
00:01:29You divide them into guards and you divide them into prisoners and you just give them these roles to play
00:01:35and the guards become progressively more sadistic and the prisoners become progressively more hang doggy and
00:01:41desperate and
00:01:43so on
00:01:44Stiflingly rebellious and all of that and that they had to stop the experiment
00:01:49Uh very quickly because the gods were just becoming so crazy and sadistic
00:01:55And so the general the general argument
00:01:59Is that there's this?
00:02:03Incipient
00:02:06Sadism that is in the hearts and minds of people as a whole
00:02:12And
00:02:14If you just
00:02:16Uh, if people get power they they go crazy they they get crazy aggressive crazy hostile
00:02:22Their personality has all this latent sadism and so on and it's very sort of powerful experiment
00:02:35And
00:02:38There seems to have been some some fraud
00:02:41So russell writes
00:02:42after reading the book
00:02:43It's hard to deny that zimbardo is the original psychologist lied about almost every aspect of the study at some point
00:02:49In the 53 years, he lived after conducting it
00:02:51some of the most inexcusable lies include
00:02:55Saying that five quote prisoners left the experiment early for mental health reasons in reality only two to three did in fact one left
00:03:01Because the dry air and denial of access to his medication was causing problems with his eczema
00:03:07Uh
00:03:09Zimbardo's then girlfriend later wife was not the cause of the study ending
00:03:14in zimbardo's telling
00:03:15She visits on day six and is horrified about what's happened and convinces him to stop the study in reality
00:03:19She had visited earlier participated in a fake parole board and was aware of what was happening in the study before it ended
00:03:26Uh, no
00:03:27The quote guards did not all turn sadistic. In fact, most were reluctant
00:03:31About embracing their role and the day shift guards were actually pretty lenient about rules
00:03:37Next the experiment did not get progressively or increasingly intense with each passing day
00:03:43Also, the guard's behavior was not spontaneous
00:03:46They were coached multiple times about how to behave they were given suggestions for punishments and they did not invent the prison rules
00:03:57There are also lies of omission
00:03:59Zimbardo did not come up with the experiment himself
00:04:02Some of his undergraduate students did a smaller version of it a few months earlier as a class project. He almost never credited them
00:04:08Um
00:04:11The guards were misled into believing that they were part of the experimental team
00:04:15They thought the study was only about prisoner behavior as a result
00:04:18The guards did not lose themselves in a role by being placed in a fake prison. They never thought of themselves as real guards
00:04:25The participants were not all good or normal young men with no history of misconduct
00:04:29Some had a history of a petty crime drug use social dysfunction, etc
00:04:36Contrary to claims that participants treated the experiment as if it were real both prisoners and guards were constantly aware that they were in
00:04:42An experiment and that they were not really prisoners and guards. No one consistently lost himself in his role
00:04:51Variability was the rule in the stanford prison experiment
00:04:55Not the exception for decades
00:04:57Zimbardo portrayed all the prisoners as becoming rebellious and then broken as the guards became authoritarian and cruel in reality
00:05:02Some prisoners had good relationships with some guards the day shift was businesslike and some prisoners or guards
00:05:10I saw the situation as a weird temporary job. Whereas others desperately wanted out
00:05:23Oh
00:05:25See
00:05:31He says russell says the stanford prison experiment was simply bad science
00:05:35There are so many flaws that it cannot reveal anything about human behavior
00:05:39In the past I called it performance art. He says reading latexia's book can reinforce that view
00:05:46The protocols were erratic changed often and haphazardly almost nothing in the stanford prison experiment was systematic
00:05:53Data collection was erratic
00:05:55Irregular resulting in sloppy data in the months and years after the experiment
00:05:58Zimbardo's assistants and students warned him that the data were hard to interpret. He ignored them all
00:06:05Zimbardo started the study
00:06:08With a predetermined goal in mind. He published a press release on the second day of the study touting its results
00:06:13He testified to congress and gave dozens of interviews before he had even analyzed his data
00:06:19The demand
00:06:21Characteristics must have been overwhelming especially for the guards who were coached in their behavior
00:06:25Everybody knew or had a pretty good idea of the purpose of the study and what zimbardo wanted to see
00:06:29There was almost constant supervision from zimbardo and his assistants
00:06:34The
00:06:36Conditions only superficially resemble the real prison. This has two consequences one running
00:06:40The experiment was sometimes cruel and definitely unethical even by the standards of his time
00:06:45The stanford prison experiment does not tell us anything about the effects of real imprisonment
00:06:48Among the conditions that were worse than those of a real american prison were
00:06:52Prisoner uniforms or gowns worn without underwear, which sometimes exposed prisoners genitals
00:06:57Conditions were unsanitary bathroom access was severely limited at night. The prisoners had to urinate and defecate in a bucket
00:07:04Sometimes prisoners even had to clean out the buckets with their bare hands. The prisoners were worried about disease
00:07:11The prisoners could not shower and were only allowed to shave
00:07:14The prisoners could not shower and were only allowed to shave
00:07:18Or have a sponge bath if outside visitors were expected. The prisoners had no access to fresh air or exercise
00:07:26Access to recreation was almost zero books were taken away and prisoners were not allowed to have any personal effects or mementos
00:07:33The quote parole board was a total sham that had no power to release prisoners early
00:07:37Prisoners wore chains almost constantly which caused discomfort and injury
00:07:41For zimbardo the lesson of the stanford prison experiment was that potential for cruelty and evil lurks inside everyone
00:07:46And the right or wrong situation could let out that in a monster
00:07:52I think zimbardo thought this message resonated says russell
00:07:57Because he actually did do cruel things to other people the conclusion that everyone has evil inside them probably greatly squashed zimbardo's guilt
00:08:04so
00:08:08Very sad
00:08:11Um
00:08:13Very sad and I think it's um, probably a bit of an atheist thing too, right?
00:08:21In that uh
00:08:23Well new god virtue philosophy doesn't tame the beast within and all of that sort of stuff
00:08:35All right, let me get uh
00:08:38We had an interview with russell warren back in the day really thank you
00:08:43If you give me the link, I'd appreciate that give me the number
00:08:46all right, let's get to your so the general idea is that whenever there's like a what seems to be a very sort of
00:08:53This is emil kierkegaard wrote this
00:08:56remember kids
00:08:58Whenever you hear one important story or study from social science with some morality tale that ash is probably fake in some way
00:09:08Yeah
00:09:10Yeah, even the kitty genovese event was seriously misrepresented, you know
00:09:14This idea that this woman gets stabbed to death and nobody does anything even though dozens of people can hear her
00:09:19It's not really what happened, but you can look that up the murder of kitty genovese geno vese. You can look that up debunked
00:09:26It's very interesting
00:09:28It's all this stuff that uh, it was gospel when I was growing up
00:09:35Oh
00:09:36Okay, yes, sorry wrong about iq so the show is 4059 4059 russell warren
00:09:42We did that show one of the intelligence experts, okay
00:09:48Thank you for the tip flawed network i'd appreciate that
00:09:52Um country scholar writes what would you do if your wife and two daughters hated the mods
00:09:57You make your suv. Would you add more?
00:10:00Off-road gadgetry or give in and get something more refined. My kids are forced to ride with me for several more years
00:10:06Hmm
00:10:08Well, I don't know it's interesting
00:10:12I guess you made some manly stuff that the women don't appreciate I would get it changed personally
00:10:19I would get it changed
00:10:23I mean
00:10:24It's not like i'm not saying you should get bullied or pushed around with every decision or choice that you make
00:10:28But what I would say is that you want your family
00:10:32To uh know and understand that you care more for their happiness then
00:10:40Then uh some
00:10:43Tricked up thing for your suv
00:10:45I mean if they hate it just get rid of it
00:10:47You know if I were to buy
00:10:49I don't know if I were to buy a shirt or a hat that my wife and daughter hated
00:10:53I just get rid of it. I just take it back if you hate it
00:10:56It's no biggie
00:10:58So I would uh, I mean you should preview these things with your family as a whole
00:11:02make sure you get people's buy-in, but
00:11:06I would
00:11:07you know
00:11:08It's not it's not worth it. It's not not um, not a hill to die on so to speak, right?
00:11:16James says i'm reminded of an episode of star trek the next generation where the big moral was there's an evil monster that lives
00:11:22Inside all of us. Yeah
00:11:24Yeah
00:11:27Yeah
00:11:30This uh
00:11:33It's not it's not true
00:11:35Um, i've never had an evil monster that lives inside. I mean, I think we all have the capacity to be cruel. Sure
00:11:42But that's just a larger part of self-protection as a whole, right?
00:11:47All right
00:11:49So
00:11:51Somebody writes hi Steph, why do I feel burdened by someone else's destructive decisions?
00:12:00Because my friend in the past secret secret
00:12:04In the past we couldn't escape them. You you grew up in a small town a small village a small tribe
00:12:09and
00:12:10Somebody has some really destructive opinion some destructive perspective. You really can't escape it
00:12:16So you are burdened by it, you know
00:12:19The idea that you can escape
00:12:22the dysfunctions
00:12:23of
00:12:24Your childhood environment is really new
00:12:28Or even the possibility that you can really do that is really new
00:12:36So
00:12:37In in the past you were
00:12:41And because of that you had to stay focused and attentive to what was going on
00:12:46Now you do have a choice, right now you have a choice in the past you didn't
00:12:52All right
00:12:55Yeah, I don't like the idea that you know, we're all just different degrees of evil
00:12:59And you know, we're all just you know
00:13:02One day of power away from becoming a sadist. I don't I believe that's true
00:13:09All right
00:13:12All right
00:13:15Well, what do you make of insomnia so far as philosophy goes
00:13:21What do you make of insomnia so far as philosophy goes, um, I would say it's more of a self-knowledge thing
00:13:33I think it's more of a self-knowledge thing. Um
00:13:36I
00:13:41Would say that
00:13:44Insomnia is when there's
00:13:48And i'm just talking about, you know self-knowledge stuff not not any sort of physical thing
00:13:53But if you have a big sort of rank contradiction
00:13:56In your life I did and I had some insomnia when I was in my
00:14:00late 20s early 30s
00:14:02If you have a big rank contradiction in your life
00:14:06and
00:14:09Mine was I was reading about philosophy and theorizing about philosophy, but not practically living in a sort of very material way
00:14:17philosophy
00:14:21So if you have a big contradiction in your life
00:14:26It needs to be resolved
00:14:28Your contradictions will twist your brain into some
00:14:32supernatural
00:14:34London subway pretzel. It's really not good for your mind as a whole to have sort of big contradictions floating around in your brain
00:14:43So if you're if you've had yourself physically checked out and you're fine sort of physically
00:14:48And the place that I would look for resolution of insomnia is to look for
00:14:53a big contradiction
00:14:55I'll give you some of the typical ones. I mean based upon 20 years, of course it shows
00:15:01So some of the typical
00:15:03contradictions are
00:15:04I say I love someone but I don't
00:15:08I claim to love someone
00:15:10But I don't love that person
00:15:12I claim to be attached to someone who is not producing any particular virtues that are inspiring me to love worship and adore
00:15:21um
00:15:22so
00:15:23If there's someone in your life you claim to love
00:15:25And maybe you have some historical or residual affection for whatever but someone in your life that you claim to love
00:15:30But you don't love them
00:15:32That's a big one, that's a big one. Um
00:15:37If your values
00:15:42Are drifting from the production of virtue in other words if you're pursuing
00:15:49Sex for the sake of sex alone if you are pursuing money for the sake of money alone if you're pursuing status
00:15:56or beauty or
00:15:58you know, like if you're one of these sort of
00:16:02greek statue narcissists who
00:16:04Spend three hours a day in the gym
00:16:08If your values
00:16:10and your decisions are
00:16:13Said by you to be valuable, but they do not directly contribute to the spread of virtue in the world
00:16:19That's kind of a contradiction
00:16:20At least it will be from a philosophical standpoint because philosophically speaking we get the most happiness from the production of virtue in the world
00:16:26So
00:16:31So
00:16:32That's another one
00:16:34If you are suppressing your true self, but calling it being nice
00:16:46That's a big that's a big problem
00:16:49If you are redefining
00:16:51negative traits
00:16:53Vices as a positive as positive traits
00:16:57You're gonna have a problem
00:17:01You're gonna have a problem with your heart you're gonna have a problem with your peace of mind
00:17:04It's not so much that we do negative things. I mean
00:17:07We do it it happens from time to time. We do negative things but
00:17:12If we redefine those negative things as a positive thing
00:17:18You know if you um
00:17:21Let's say that you have some uh
00:17:24Dissolute friend who keeps wanting to go out wanting to go out and get drunk and you're like, hey, man
00:17:28I worked hard. I deserve a break. I deserve some relaxation. I deserve to have fun all that that kind of stuff
00:17:39Then um
00:17:42You're gonna have problems
00:17:44Because it's it's it's the dishonesty with the self. I think that's that's key
00:17:50I think that's the big problem
00:17:59All right, let's see here, oh see what other ones um
00:18:08If you are severely undershooting your own potential
00:18:15That's a problem and
00:18:17And if you are severely undershooting your own potential
00:18:22And you're not honest yourself about it
00:18:25That's a big problem that's gonna it's gonna cause you I think some significant unhappiness and problems
00:18:36Uh, what else what do you guys think have you ever had this kind of insomnia that comes from not
00:18:41having a sort of very solid sense of
00:18:44Oh, there's some sort of contradictions going on in your brain
00:18:48You
00:18:51Saying that you're happy with your circumstances when you're simply addicted to the familiar
00:18:56I think that's a another one that can be a big problem for people
00:19:05That's another one that can be a big problem for people that's right, let me check the various places here
00:19:17Um
00:19:19All right, so somebody says thanks def appreciate you I have recently long overdue increased my donations. Thank you very much. I appreciate that
00:19:26C2 spark nice to see you again says one of the most successful shows breaking bad premise
00:19:31Was where one cancer diagnosis away from becoming a violent drug lord. Yeah
00:19:36Yeah, I couldn't stand that show. I couldn't do it. It was too gross too violent
00:19:40Um, what do you think of guys saying? I'm so lucky to have her
00:19:45Um, yeah, that is signaling a kind of uh
00:19:49I think that comes from having a distant mother that you constantly had to race around and try and please
00:19:54And have her enjoy your company. I think that just comes from that. It's very cock behavior
00:19:58I mean i'm lucky to have my wife. She's lucky to have me and we both work hard
00:20:02Um, we have a great relationship. We both work hard and virtue and honesty
00:20:06And so we have a very sort of direct and fun relationship
00:20:09um, we're lucky to have found each other, but
00:20:11I think we both earn and deserve each other as a whole. I know that so I think it is a signal
00:20:17to say to the woman, um
00:20:20Uh, I don't know how she's put up with me for so long blah blah blah, right?
00:20:24Of course a woman
00:20:26Would not want that
00:20:29A woman with self-esteem would not want a guy who she has to kind of put up with
00:20:34Deal with it and so on, right?
00:20:41So
00:20:46Oh, he says yes i've had some of that very in line with what you're talking about, yeah
00:20:52You know, it's hard if you didn't have parents who are really devoted to you it's hard to feel that people
00:20:57Can really devote themselves to you in the future if that makes sense
00:21:01you always feel like a little bit like you're hanging on by a thread that
00:21:04people are putting up with you that uh
00:21:07you're kind of
00:21:08um
00:21:10Tolerated if that makes sense
00:21:14And that's no fun
00:21:18That's no fun
00:21:21And sorry just to go back to
00:21:24That breaking bad and stanford prison experiment and james the star trek show that you talked about
00:21:30um
00:21:34It's a way of
00:21:37eroding
00:21:39social trust
00:21:42Right, so, um this this sort of mythology of the
00:21:46Every single one of us the devil inside
00:21:50it's a way of of having you look around the world and you don't see you know, normal people you don't see
00:21:56um, you know people with their struggles and and you know average people you see these like
00:22:02caged demons in middle class
00:22:05Skin suits of vague respectability and I can turn on you like that, right?
00:22:11You can turn on you like that
00:22:15And that really does erode social trust there's a
00:22:18A movie. I remember a friend showing it to me
00:22:21Oh gosh, dennis hoffer dennis hopper carl mclaughlin. I mentioned it a couple of months ago. The show's called uh
00:22:28blue velvet
00:22:31Isabella russellini and
00:22:33And
00:22:37It starts with a guy having a heart attack and
00:22:40The camera kind of zooms
00:22:42Past the kids just standing there. The dog is
00:22:45uninterested
00:22:47and he
00:22:48the camera kind of zooms down in
00:22:51to the grass and
00:22:53In the bottom of the grass underneath the grass is all of the
00:22:56Disgusting sounds of the insects all eating each other and fighting with each other and so on right?
00:23:01And it is this idea that that there's this sort of
00:23:06Respectable life that people have but then underneath that and very, you know, very quickly underneath that
00:23:13Is this really terrible?
00:23:15predatory violent ugly nasty world
00:23:19And I mean dennis hopper was a complete psycho and and really lobbied hard to get this role of frank. Whatever his name was
00:23:26Because he said like that guy's me
00:23:29So the idea that everyone is it can be easily possessed and will turn on you on a dime
00:23:37And it's a nasty
00:23:39There's a nasty perception to have
00:23:41And you can't really relax. You can't trust you can't
00:23:45Get a sort of productive or healthy or happy tribe around you. You can't do any of that
00:23:50you just
00:23:52Wait for people to turn on you
00:23:55Now the counter-argument to that is covet where people did kind of turn on each other
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00:24:23All right, let me get back to there's great great questions and comments, thank you
00:24:36Uh, yes
00:24:41Um
00:24:45Uh charles murray, did he write something the three laws of social programs
00:24:53I did see world of engineering. It's always a good thing to follow the human brain can store an almost infinite amount of information
00:24:58equivalent to about 2.5 million gigabytes
00:25:04Amazing
00:25:07I don't know if this is true
00:25:09as a whole but brian
00:25:11Rommel wrote the ai generated only fans workers are now scheduled to make more than their human workers by 2026
00:25:18Displacing them by share numbers of a thousand to one
00:25:25I don't know that that's true. I'm not sure how you would figure that out
00:25:32I suppose I mean isn't the way that
00:25:36Only fans works that you can um
00:25:40Oh, somebody says your post is
00:25:43A fabrication only fans has strict rules against ai generated content
00:25:47He said that is absolutely not the case. It is rather easy to bypass the rules
00:26:00So that's interesting
00:26:03Um
00:26:06Um, it seems unbelievable
00:26:08but as far as I understand it only fans works to some degree because
00:26:12Because what you can do is you can text the only fans model and ask her to do stuff, right?
00:26:20And if you do that then she'd you know, take off your top, you know
00:26:24Hold your hands up in the air and shake him with that old song
00:26:27So you you would instruct the only fans model on what it is. You want the only fans model to do?
00:26:32And then she'll do it, but I suppose
00:26:36It's just an ai prompt then at some point, right?
00:26:43But it will be very interesting
00:26:47It'd be very interesting to see
00:26:52What happens if ai can spontaneously generate pornographic content based upon user input in real time
00:27:03Interesting
00:27:09And if air does that then
00:27:11That would liberate more women from this
00:27:14Fairly vile line of work, I suppose
00:27:17So there could be real positives around that
00:27:33Yeah
00:27:36All right
00:27:39Kurt schlichter
00:27:40Writes, uh, I know the people in washington dc and the people on twitter will be really upset by it
00:27:46But i'm not sure the american people will ever understand why foreigners can charge higher tariffs on us than we charge on them
00:27:52If you tell an american that trump is simply matching the tariffs they impose on us. Most americans are going to be happy about it
00:27:58and what
00:27:59Is significant is absolutely no one in this whole frenzy debate has made a case about why foreign countries should have higher tariffs on us
00:28:05Than we have on them
00:28:07I've not seen one person make that argument. I'd like to know what the argument is if there's one other than
00:28:12America should just suck it up and take it
00:28:24So
00:28:27It's an interesting question but
00:28:30Of course all of the people
00:28:33Who were instant experts on ivermectin are now instant experts on tariffs
00:28:38It's pretty wild
00:28:42There's a guy
00:28:44dudes posting their wins w's
00:28:47um
00:28:48this guy he sees
00:28:50This guy is staying in a hundred billion dollar development project and he basically has the entire city to himself because barely anybody lives
00:28:58Lives there
00:29:00Isn't that wild?
00:29:03Um, it's across from singapore and
00:29:07There's you know a few thousand people in this massive area
00:29:11I remember seeing this this sort of the ghost stuff that was going on in china in china, right?
00:29:17Which is uh
00:29:21Yet these malls with like two stores out of like 200 that were actually running that wild
00:29:27um
00:29:30I mean it is pretty horrible. Um the amount of wasted resources, but it's i'd be curious visiting a place like that
00:29:39um
00:29:40The red-headed libertarian posted this marriage vow from 1450 years ago
00:29:47I take you to be my wife. I hold your clothes you as far as my wealth allows
00:29:51I won't invite the friends for drinking party if you are opposed to it or i'm liable for a penalty fee of 18
00:29:58solidil solidil, that's oh, sorry for some reason. I thought that was italian
00:30:03Um, but it's from egypt. It's now at the british library
00:30:07Isn't that funny?
00:30:14It was funny i'm seeing
00:30:16Oh interesting, was it yesterday? I saw a bunch of tweets. Um, and I got to see my old alma mater
00:30:21I graduated with a undergraduate degree in history from mcgill
00:30:26and
00:30:27It's interesting seeing all the streets. I used to walk in out taken over by
00:30:31Middle eastern protesters and taking over the buildings and so on. It's pretty wild man
00:30:40Now did you know this hit me with a why
00:30:44If you are
00:30:49Um
00:30:50Into anime or know much about anime I don't
00:30:53Not because there's anything cool about it. I just it was not my demographic not my generation
00:30:58really
00:31:00But hit me with a why if you know much or anything about
00:31:05the exciting world of anime and manga
00:31:08animates the
00:31:10Cartoons and manga the comics without do I have that right?
00:31:13Yeah
00:31:15Is that right something like that
00:31:21I've not heard of brian tracy. I'm afraid i'm not really. Um
00:31:25Half why yeah, oh 50 50. So this is wild
00:31:30It's sort of like when you look into how much money video games make compared to movies. It's just insane, right?
00:31:36Um
00:31:40So this guy wrote
00:31:42Whether you like it or not, it is undoubtedly a huge success story. What anime has become
00:31:49In 2024 it produced a whopping estimated 35 billion dollars
00:31:57For comparison in box office sales the entire american movie industry generated 8.7 billion dollars in 2024
00:32:04So it's almost four times
00:32:06As
00:32:08At the core of most japanese storytelling reflected in their anime is honor courage friendship
00:32:15and hard work
00:32:17Is it a surprise
00:32:19It is poised to surpass the american movie tv industry which produces soulless corporate agenda-driven dispassionate degenerate contrived and predictable content
00:32:27The uh, japanese storytelling motto never give up american storytelling motto life is meaningless
00:32:36That wild
00:32:41Um
00:32:42There was of course about a billion
00:32:45memes about this
00:32:46the spectator index wrote
00:32:48Just in the us has imposed tariffs on the australian territory of herd and mcdonald islands, which is uninhabited by humans
00:32:54But has colonies of seals and penguins
00:32:57I'm, always a joke. The penguins are saying you think you can deport us. We've been dealing with ice for centuries
00:33:01um
00:33:04Yeah, well
00:33:10Of course the reason why you have to include these things is that if you don't include them then people would just set up
00:33:16Little shops or corporations there and then be exempt from the tariffs. So that's kind of how it works
00:33:26But yeah, of course people do find it funny and I get that it's funny but it's midway humor to put it mildly
00:33:34So
00:33:35Somebody wrote, uh, if you were to write out every number one, two, three, etc
00:33:39You wouldn't use the letter b until you have reached one
00:33:42Billion dollar one billion. That's true. I guess that's true, right?
00:33:54Now I'm sure you remember me talking about how sort of pretty fake the economy is as a whole in america
00:34:00well most western countries
00:34:02um
00:34:04So this guy wrote, uh almost every year
00:34:07Since 2008 gdp growth has been negative if you take out increases in government spending and he wrote that's what radicalized me
00:34:16Very true
00:34:19So
00:34:29I've talked about this before too, but always beth bear bears reminding
00:34:34um
00:34:35The human body has a second brain in the gut. It's called the enteric nervous system
00:34:39And it has about 500 million neurons more than the spinal cord
00:34:43It actually produces 90 of the body serotonin which affects mood
00:34:46This is why the gut feelings are a literal thing. That's very true gut instincts gut feelings and so on
00:34:54very interesting
00:34:57Uh
00:34:59Kanakoa the great quoted stephen moore who was saying he said our tariffs is the u.s
00:35:04Our tariffs are about three to five percent and many other countries are above twenty percent
00:35:10The u.s
00:35:11Does have the lowest tariffs virtually in the world and as trump has been saying these other countries are ripping us off
00:35:16So
00:35:19In 2023 the united states had the lowest trade barriers among g20 nations and imposed lower tariffs than most of them
00:35:24Trump's right. We don't have free trade and america is getting ripped off
00:35:32What
00:35:42All right, let me get back to your questions and comments
00:35:47Can we do a vote on whether he wants to have to watch and review an anime i'm i do that
00:35:51I do that
00:35:54I'll tell you what just hit me with some animes
00:35:59Uh used to watch dragon ball z i've never seen an anime
00:36:08Uh anime still tells stories western movies etc about the message and subversion. Yeah true
00:36:13There's nothing organic in western art anymore hasn't been for decades
00:36:18Um of robo says I think that the anime motto is actually the series never ends they go on forever
00:36:26Good evening james. Nice to have you
00:36:30Um
00:36:31There are strange elements in anime series, but honor loyalty. I remember really enjoying seeing it portrayed
00:36:38Okay, let me just make some notes of these we got attack on titan
00:36:44And what's the other one here death note death note, it's not a movie
00:36:53Attack on titan is very violent
00:36:57Grave of fireflies
00:36:59I used to when I was um
00:37:01a kid
00:37:02When after we moved to canada, there used to be show on in the morning from 8 30 until 9
00:37:07I never got to watch the end of it because I had to get to school
00:37:10Oh
00:37:11Star blazers star blazers are star blazers
00:37:15We're off to outer space to save the human race. Anyway, it was uh
00:37:21It was fun and it was half
00:37:23I guess it was half anime and half not anime because some of the characters were more realistic and some were less
00:37:33Yeah, I don't want any like sex tentacle stuff, thank you very much
00:37:40Yeah, I don't want anything too violent I don't want anything with this grotesque
00:37:43You know squealing japanese girls being penetrated by weird squid beasts. I don't want any of that nonsense
00:37:49You know if you're gonna give me um, you know good honor based and all of that then give me that
00:37:55If you could thank you
00:38:05Studio ghibli films are fantastic. Yeah
00:38:08I know people like them. I think i've only seen spirited away
00:38:15And I I watched it on the recommendation of an fdr listener
00:38:18I don't know 15 years ago found it a little too weird. I watched it again didn't find it that weird. Maybe i've just
00:38:24become less sensitive to weird
00:38:28But uh, yeah, but is that anime I guess it's anime right?
00:38:33Okay. What is the definition of anime?
00:38:36What is anime
00:38:42I don't even know. It's not all japanese comics, is it?
00:38:47Have heard a lot a lot of references to tengen topper government again, I think i'm having a stroke
00:38:52I'll make a note of that one, too
00:38:55I might have to ask my daughter not that she's into anime, but she might know people who are
00:39:06Yu-gi-oh, is that anime that's that's games, too, right?
00:39:16Yu-gi-oh, i'll make a note of that. Thanks
00:39:36Yes, it is anime, okay
00:39:40Um, what do people think about cowboy bebop i've heard of that
00:39:44It's a space western followed out. Well, this might be worth watching a couple of episodes to see what you think
00:39:52Naruto is another one. Okay. Thank you
00:39:58Are they hard to get these
00:40:05You
00:40:11Yeah, but attack on titan is the violin one, right
00:40:14Cowboy bebop is similar to firefly. Yeah, i was gonna say that right does seem
00:40:19Does seem that way, right?
00:40:22Cowboy bebop
00:40:28Okay, I will check that out, thank you
00:40:35So
00:40:46Um
00:40:49Somebody says my brother was big into naruto follows a group of children through moral and otherwise
00:40:54Trials and tribulations. All right. Thank you. I appreciate that. You can you just sign up for crunchy roll to get most anime crunchy roll
00:41:02All right
00:41:04Gets most anime
00:41:08I would check that out. Thank you. I assume they have a trial
00:41:17All right, thank you, I appreciate that
00:41:22Uh, thank you for the link to yugioh yugioh yugioh i'm gonna have to look up how to pronounce these things I assume
00:41:30Thank you, oh that's on netflix, okay, i'll check it out
00:41:34All right
00:41:40On the topic of products of japan, have you seen people complaining because the nintendo switch 2 is delayed because of the tariffs
00:41:49Our grave of fireflies
00:41:52Yeah, my mother would have been one of those
00:41:55Well, not in japan, but in germany same same kind of thing. Thank you
00:42:04That's on netflix too, thank you
00:42:16Somebody says you can strike your child, but not your dog
00:42:20Yet you can leave your dog in the car, but not your child what a confused species humanity is. Yeah
00:42:26Yeah, if we took the love that people have for their pets and put them into our children
00:42:30We would have a transformed planet. I think
00:42:33A truly transformed planet
00:42:37And if you're listening to this later, then you want to suggest an anime
00:42:40um
00:42:41You can just email me
00:42:43host host host at free domain.com
00:42:48Akira is a much-loved anime movie. Oh, thank you
00:42:53Okay
00:43:01All right, appreciate that thank you
00:43:05All right, so i'll move on i've got more than enough but I appreciate I appreciate that
00:43:09So
00:43:21All right, any other questions thoughts issues challenges problems very much appreciate you guys dropping by tonight
00:43:30Ghost in the shell is also a grand daddy anime hide in your shell
00:43:35Oh
00:43:37Thank you, I appreciate that I grabbed that
00:43:56Sorry, this is a
00:43:58Let's see here. Do you know of allen debatant?
00:44:01Ellen ala debatant of school of life. He recently appeared on chris williamson's show and had a marvelous conversation
00:44:09Why does that seem?
00:44:11Familiar, how's the earbuds thing doing? Um, it's it was better earlier today
00:44:15Um, I did a show on tariffs for donors earlier today, and then I put these clamped on headphones
00:44:20so I think it kind of irritated the earbuds, so
00:44:23Um, it's uh, not not as good this evening, but it was certainly fine earlier today
00:44:27So it's uh, you know, like things certain sometimes things physical things
00:44:30They improve kind of zigzag like better worse better worse, but generally, you know, one step forward two steps back
00:44:36So it's certainly uh, it's certainly better
00:44:39All right, um
00:44:44Somebody writes the one thing good people could learn from bad people is to just do what they want instead of limiting themselves
00:44:49Like not doing something that isn't harmful just because state isn't says they need permissions. For example, they are children and need to grow up
00:44:58Hmm
00:45:03I'm not sure what that means. Uh steph when you did sales
00:45:07When you did sales on in your software company, what do you think is a reasonable sales rate?
00:45:11One to five percent of companies who reached out purchases purchased. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I would say one to five percent is about right
00:45:19um, especially because it was less in the very beginning because we were just starting out and
00:45:24Um, the software that I wrote was new to the field there was nobody else doing it when we started
00:45:31So we had to really educate
00:45:33um, you know, if you have software as a service, it's kind of people understand it and you're just one of many right like
00:45:38a match three game
00:45:40everybody kind of
00:45:41understands that as a whole they know what they're
00:45:45Talking about um, but when you have an entirely new software offering
00:45:49um
00:45:51That's tough
00:45:52That's tough because you have to educate people on that it even exists. It's not a market and then
00:45:58You spend a little bit of time building that up
00:46:00And then what happens is larger companies say oh if there's a market for this and they they come in with all of their
00:46:06Experienced sales people and existing customer contracts and all of that. So yeah, it's quite quite a lot. But yeah, I say
00:46:12I was
00:46:15I didn't really do much cold calling that was generally the job of the sales people
00:46:18I did I was director of marketing. So I created a knowledge of the software space as a whole
00:46:24But I did not in general
00:46:28Do the cold calling
00:46:30um, I did
00:46:32Oh, I don't know. This is a while ago
00:46:34So what I did was there are databases where you can find out a lot about public companies, right?
00:46:40All the public companies publish all of their you know profits and losses and income and expenditures and and all of that
00:46:46And so I wrote code to get that from a database and then create
00:46:51mail outs that would go out to
00:46:53clients that would say
00:46:54You know based upon your expenditures of this this and this based upon the cost savings that we can provide because of this this and this
00:47:00Um, you know
00:47:01We can make a very strong business case that our software can pay for itself within 12 to 18 months and after that
00:47:06It's pure profit and I had graphs and charts and everything was just beautifully formatted reports that went out
00:47:13To like a thousand different companies and that was huge. That was huge for us
00:47:18Because it really looked because I had coded it all it really looked like we had individually prepared a detailed presentation for each
00:47:24Company now some of them did quibble with the numbers because those numbers and those databases aren't perfect
00:47:28But that was a sort of very big thing that I did
00:47:32to raise
00:47:33awareness and of course I would go to conferences and I would chat with people and
00:47:38We'd have a little jar you put your business card in and then you win an ipod
00:47:43Um at the end of the day, this is back when they were hard hardware hard drive ipods
00:47:47So I did a lot of travel. I presented a lot of places. Um
00:47:51and I would generally go down and do the
00:47:54Presentation of the software when the sales people had it and then let them hammer out the sort of business details
00:47:58Which was not always wise
00:48:00but um
00:48:02Yeah, you just have to get used. It's not really a lot of rejection, right? You just have to
00:48:05you know
00:48:07Think of all of the women that you find unattractive and then you'll understand that
00:48:11There are women who find you unattractive and it's not it's not terrible or bad. It's just not a particular type of thing
00:48:17So think of all the people who would love to sell you stuff
00:48:19Think of all the emails that come in all the text messages or whatever you've got, right?
00:48:23So think of all the people that you would like
00:48:25They would like to sell you stuff
00:48:28And you say no, so you just have to recognize that you're just trying to find the right fit for people to
00:48:35Really get value out of what it is that you're doing
00:48:46Yeah, so, um
00:48:48In in canada, this is back in the day
00:48:49Uh, there's these things called phase one environmental site site assessments
00:48:52So if you're buying some land you want to make sure that wasn't like a battery
00:48:56Plant or a gas station or you know something with a lot of pollution?
00:49:00Because then you buy the land and then you dig down you find a bunch of crap
00:49:03You got to have it all remediated and and cleaned up and cleaned out
00:49:07So you do this sort of site assessment and our software automated that process to a large degree
00:49:12And then you could figure out whether you wanted the site or not
00:49:15I don't know whether it had whether there were underground storage tanks there before that you need to remove or
00:49:20Even above ground storage tanks sometimes. So whether there were any kind of
00:49:26Vocs volatile organic chemicals that were used on the site that kind of stuff, right?
00:49:29So you could have a real portfolio of all of your environmental liabilities and issues, which was very important for legal reasons
00:49:35and
00:49:37Yeah, super fun. Yeah, like a super fun site, right?
00:49:42Now, of course the super fun sites
00:49:44Were um, so 80 of the money just went to lawyers didn't even go to clean up love canal
00:49:49You got to look into love canal
00:49:51It's not as I mean it was a very striking name
00:49:53But it's not probably not exactly what you remember the love canal was a little over hump overpriced
00:49:58a little over hump overpiped
00:50:00Overhyped over pumped so to speak
00:50:03See heavy pumping on the love canal. Hey, we're back to ai
00:50:07Ai only fans
00:50:10Um
00:50:12Now I remember the very first software that I sold I remember that it sold for five thousand dollars
00:50:19It seems like all the money in the world
00:50:22And so
00:50:24Um, I did uh five thousand dollars and then I think the one of the last one of the later ones was 1.25 million
00:50:32us
00:50:33so
00:50:35We had some growth
00:50:38We had some growth
00:50:47And I did a lot of work I built this whole thing called the database builder
00:50:51Where you would go down with the client and you'd say, okay, so what do you want the database to look like?
00:50:55what matches your um
00:51:00What what matches your data what do we have to integrate with and I wrote a whole program where the client would uh,
00:51:07Fill out spreadsheets or maybe do it online and then when they had put together all of the changes they wanted to the system then
00:51:15My code would go and change the system
00:51:18for them
00:51:19I've changed the
00:51:22The data fields the tables the queries
00:51:24The forms the reports the query forms
00:51:27The whole thing it was wild and it would change also everything on the web interface because it was all metadata
00:51:32Oh, it's just amazing. It was a really great great code
00:51:36Um, let's see here if you were 24 and had ten thousand dollars would you put it towards therapy or towards starting a business
00:51:44Hmm
00:51:49Well
00:51:52I would say that if I didn't have a business partner, I would put it towards therapy
00:51:56Unless i'd had a pretty good childhood in which case I would put it towards the business
00:52:00So there's a lot of variables involved in that
00:52:02um
00:52:04Therapy was really some of the best money i'd ever
00:52:06Invested or spent in my life was therapy like no question. Absolutely. No question. No doubt
00:52:11Um, I would not have been able to get married to my wife
00:52:15If I had not gone through therapy, at least I don't think so
00:52:18so
00:52:19If you had a bad childhood, I think putting some money into therapy is a good idea
00:52:24Starting a business
00:52:26At 24 without a partner is pretty risky because there's a lot to learn. I didn't start a business
00:52:31I co-founded a business. I didn't start a business entirely on my own
00:52:34Oh, I guess this one
00:52:36That was older
00:52:38so
00:52:39That really depends sorry, I hate to say that kind of depends but it kind of does
00:52:44If your childhood was okay, I'd put it into the business, but I would wait
00:52:47I would wait until I had a partner somebody who had more experience or at least some knowledge of how to get a business
00:52:52going
00:52:55And if I had a bad childhood I would put it into therapy if I were in your shoes
00:53:02All right any last questions
00:53:05Thanks
00:53:07Going once going twice i'm all ears one buzzy one good
00:53:12So
00:53:34All right, let me just get to any questions, thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you guys for dropping by tonight
00:53:38i'm, sorry, we're still doing shows less than two or three hours, but
00:53:41Um things are what was the best thing you learned in therapy
00:53:45I had the best thing that I learned in therapy was to take my instincts with great seriousness
00:53:51You know to peel you apart from your instincts is the fundamental goal of the propagandist and lord knows we're surrounded by
00:53:58Little about propaganda these days
00:53:59So what I learned the most important thing that I learned in therapy was to take my instincts with great seriousness to take my dreams
00:54:05My you know that the gut sense that I was talking about earlier
00:54:09um
00:54:10take yourself very seriously take your
00:54:12thoughts your instincts your
00:54:15Suspicions, it's very easy. You know that all of this language is thrown at us to separate us from our instincts
00:54:24And
00:54:26You know, i'm not alert i'm paranoid, right
00:54:32I'm not
00:54:34Legitimately angry. I'm an i'm unreasonable. I'm aggressive or whatever, right?
00:54:38You you can sort of go through all of this language. Um
00:54:42but the language that is is
00:54:45Hacked into us to separate us
00:54:47It's almost like a taking a sneaker and sawing the soul off, right?
00:54:55But
00:54:57what I learned through therapy was to take my instincts my gut sense my
00:55:02dreams my
00:55:04Intuitions very seriously and that doesn't mean that they're you know, trust but verify, right?
00:55:13Trust but verify
00:55:15So, you know, I would trust my instincts
00:55:17I wouldn't just act on them because we're a combination of things right mind body heart soul that kind of stuff, right?
00:55:25Somebody says i've always felt that when I don't follow my instincts things go wrong
00:55:29Yeah, are you ever going to come back to x not sure?
00:55:32Uh, somebody says what do you think of the avenues by which to communicate with your unconscious dream analysis sentence completion exercise that sort of
00:55:38Thing what are your favorite such avenues dream analysis is very tough to do on your own
00:55:42So if you've got someone you can talk about it with who's good at that sort of stuff. I think that's really really helpful
00:55:48Um, since it's completion exercises, they can be good as well
00:55:53Um
00:55:54Meditation, I think is very good just to physically relaxing and letting your instincts bubble up. It can be very helpful
00:56:01Um
00:56:05There's a lot of workbooks i've talked about these before
00:56:07And nathaniel brandon has them john gray has them other people have them sort of workbooks to try and figure out what's going on
00:56:12In your unconscious be very helpful
00:56:18Somebody says how can you tell if a therapist is any good?
00:56:21Had one who was encouraging me to stay in touch with a crazy family of origin because quote family. Yeah. Um,
00:56:27I always forget this number. I don't know why I have this bizarre block about it. Let me find it. Let me find it
00:56:33Let me find it for you
00:56:35All right
00:56:39I think it's 1927
00:56:43Yes, fdr1927 i'll put the mp3 link here in the chat
00:56:51Um, that's my best thoughts my god, how old is that show now?
00:56:58Uh, june 8th 2011
00:57:02Wow almost 14 years ago
00:57:05It's uh
00:57:09It's a lot of dog years
00:57:12But yeah, so I have a thought on that yeah 19 fdr1927 how to find a great therapist
00:57:20I'm trying to think of a great question to keep you live. Haha. Thanks again donation imminent. All right
00:57:27So
00:57:31Um
00:57:36I mean, yeah, it's funny because therapists generally are not moralists
00:57:40so there's that challenge, I think that they'd be better off if they were moralists, but
00:57:45that can cause some
00:57:46significant problems
00:57:48but
00:57:49They're not moralists. So I think what you want is a therapist who's really focused on what's best for you
00:57:54Not trying to impose an agenda. I think that's really good
00:57:58Hey steph, do you read homath's tweets? Uh, I do. Yeah, he's the doodler
00:58:03And very incisive and bitter I get it
00:58:05I mean i'm not gonna criticize him for being bitter because he's obviously a lot younger than I am and I have the love of
00:58:10My life so which I understand is not quite as easy for younger men these days
00:58:14Well, that wasn't easy for me either. But yes, I have read homath's tweets and uh
00:58:20He's a he's a very definitely a smart guy definitely a smart guy he has a great
00:58:25Intuitive grasp of
00:58:28Both female and male hypocrisy
00:58:37Sorry people are typing so i'm happy to take another question or two
00:58:47People are typing I can see it. All right
00:58:54Oh, I missed a couple here
00:59:00Have you spoken about love bombing and red pilling combined in a new relationship thoughts if no
00:59:06Love bombing and red pilling i'm not sure what you mean by I mean, I know what the two phone terms mean individually
00:59:12But i'm not sure how that
00:59:16Yeah, hi steph, why do narcissists colloquial engage in smear campaigns
00:59:22um
00:59:23Because they want to protect their territory. They want to protect their turf and they want to protect those they're preying upon
00:59:27So they need to keep
00:59:28Incisive people who can expose their methods far away from a social group
00:59:32So they will project all of their negative characteristics onto
00:59:35Usually the innocent and accuse them of things that they themselves are doing. So it's a form of territorial, right?
00:59:42And the narcissists usually have a kind of staple of people that they're exploiting
00:59:47And they need to keep
00:59:48um those with perceptiveness and and moral courage away
00:59:53From their victims so they can continue to exploit them
00:59:56so
00:59:57the smear campaigns are
00:59:59um
01:00:00This person is bad
01:00:03And to even question that is wrong
01:00:05And trust me bro all that kind of stuff. So it's just a form of maintaining control over the people that are exploiting
01:00:11If that makes sense
01:00:24Freedom.com slash donate
01:00:27But it's not territorial nonsense it is uh, it's very sorry to be annoying but it's very serious serious stuff
01:00:35It's very serious stuff
01:00:53So
01:01:07All right
01:01:10So
01:01:23Thank you very much for the donation I really really do appreciate that
01:01:30Did you read the one about video games and anime many angry replies
01:01:34They remind me of weed addicts when you point out that they are addictive. Oh, thank you. I will
01:01:39Have a look at that. Let's see
01:01:51Uh, let's see here, okay, I will read that it's quite long to go on this as a whole
01:02:04So
01:02:06I mean the there's a couple of things I really don't like about anime, which is the um combination of
01:02:13Baby faces with adult female bodies. I find that a little creepy. And again, i'm not saying that's everyone but that's a lot
01:02:24How would you decide if it's appropriate to defend yourself against the campaign
01:02:29Um
01:02:33Well, you know if people
01:02:35Um, so usually usually with the narcissist you don't notice anything directly you simply notice a slight diminishment
01:02:42or maybe a not so slight diminishment of
01:02:45social invitations
01:02:46and positive feedback and
01:02:49Curiosity and contact and so on right? So when you're a victim of a smear campaign
01:02:55then
01:02:57Things just kind of
01:02:59seem to fall away things just kind of diminish you don't get the invites you don't like
01:03:04People are kind of a little bit of sort of closing the walls and
01:03:07And maybe somebody will tell you well, so and so said such and such about something, right?
01:03:11um
01:03:13If you if you decide to fight
01:03:18It's going to be
01:03:20Extraordinarily volatile. I'll just say that straight up
01:03:24Just i'll just say that straight up because um
01:03:27Is the the narcissist in general views any challenge to control and authority as a battle to the death
01:03:40So I think you want to say the truth
01:03:43and
01:03:44those people who care about you
01:03:46will
01:03:47Listen to the truth and they'll make the case and so on
01:03:51and
01:03:56I
01:04:00Would definitely say
01:04:02that
01:04:03It's very volatile and most people. Um, most people in the world like 90 percent of people
01:04:09They really really hate being caught between two opposing moral forces
01:04:14They hate it
01:04:15I mean
01:04:15It's funny because everybody wants to watch movies about this and read stories about this and the heroic and fighting and good and evil
01:04:21and so on
01:04:22but in the reality is that
01:04:25Most people are desperate to avoid any kind of moral danger
01:04:34And in general
01:04:39It's probably in my opinion, it's probably not worth fighting for a community where
01:04:46the
01:04:48The smearer the the rumor spreader where that person has authority and that person has control
01:04:57It's probably not worth fighting because you're probably just going to lose
01:05:07So I think it's always worth trying to get the truth out it's always worth getting the truth out but in general
01:05:12um
01:05:15People uh people they do like their gossip and I mean it's a minor weakness of mine if that's of any consolation
01:05:20but people do like their gossip and
01:05:23one of the ways that uh
01:05:25the cruel people
01:05:27Slowly pull others into doing bad things is that they get them to repeat salacious gossip
01:05:33Which is why you know just almost every
01:05:37conceivable moral
01:05:40System in the universe tells you to
01:05:43Avoid gossip like the plague and the reason for that is that when you get involved in gossip and you repeat things that
01:05:50It turned out to not be true as that's really what gossip is if it's true. It's not really so much gossip
01:05:55It's exaggerated or distorted or something like that, but you can't take it back
01:06:00right once once you have
01:06:01Used your words to create the impression a negative impression of something or someone in someone else's mind. You can't take it back
01:06:07At least not without a lot of a lot of work and apology and all that kind of stuff
01:06:17So
01:06:21Yeah, try try to avoid those kind of I've always been very careful to try and make sure that I don't repeat anything that
01:06:27is uh
01:06:28Doesn't seem to be pretty true
01:06:31I mean lord knows
01:06:33It's uh happened to me once or twice over the years
01:06:37But you can defend yourself it's worth getting the truth out but for the most part
01:06:42most people will simply
01:06:44Most people will simply bow to whoever has the most power
01:06:51Most people will simply bow to whoever has the most power and is the most willing to use it
01:06:55This is why you know bad people kind of run the world and good people
01:06:59Hide like mammals at the feet of dinosaurs
01:07:02Because most people will simply say oh, well, you're a nice person. You're a reasonable person
01:07:06So you're not going to attack me if I disagree with you
01:07:08This person is a very crazy aggressive person. So they will attack me if I disagree with them
01:07:12So i'm afraid i'm gonna have to side with them against you and it's
01:07:16Just the way that it is
01:07:19And until childhood is generally improved as a whole. It's probably going to maintain itself as the standard
01:07:31So
01:07:37All right
01:07:41I think
01:07:45Uh, somebody says
01:07:47I used to think freedom was the most important in life
01:07:50Now I realize it is the truth. Otherwise you end up with fake freedom fake laugh fake health, etc. Yeah. Yeah, very true
01:07:57Rachel
01:08:02All right, well thank you everyone so much for a lovely
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