WRIF Virtual Rock Room with King's X's dUg Pinnick
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00:00Thank you so much for watching Riff TV. Now, this interview is obviously with video, but I don't interview everybody on Zoom.
00:07That's why I put it on my Talkin' Rock with Meltdown podcast. We talk to rock artists from all over the genre.
00:13So check out Talkin' Rock with Meltdown wherever you get your podcasts. And now, to today's video interview.
00:21Doug, how you doing, man? Good to see you.
00:22I have no complaints. Good to see you, too.
00:24A new record coming out. This is the first one in over a decade. First of all, let's just talk about the record itself.
00:32Three Sides of One. I kind of figure I know that's about, but just tell everybody what Three Sides of One actually means.
00:39Isn't that self-explanatory? You know, that's what it is.
00:46Our manager came up with Three Sides of Truth. And I said, how about Three Sides of One?
00:54And Ty and Jerry both said, no, that sounds, that'll work.
00:58And so, you know, if it wasn't for our manager coming up with the first one, we probably wouldn't be called it.
01:04Who knows what it would be called?
01:06We didn't have a running title on this album for some reason.
01:09Usually we do. I mean, every album is going to be Since Hector Was a Pop or Goats Don't Let Go.
01:18But those two, those are inside jokes and no one would get them.
01:21So we decided to kind of let that go for a while.
01:24I'm trying to think if there's a band outside of maybe ZZ Top that's been around with the same guys for that long.
01:30I mean, it can't.
01:31You too.
01:32You too? Okay, there you go. All right.
01:34I talked to Billy about, about three years ago about hooking up with finding all the bands that have been together over 25 years and do a concert together.
01:45But we've been together longer than that now. All of us have.
01:48Yeah, no, what is, what is the key?
01:51He probably answers this question a bunch of times, but what keeps all three of you guys such good friends and such a music making machine like this?
01:58We're idiots.
02:01I always say that we're dumbasses stuck together.
02:04We did for, you know, all the reasons to quit and we stayed together.
02:09And it was not a conscious effort to say, oh, we're not selling records or, oh, this bad happened and that's happened.
02:17If somebody's sick, maybe we should give it up.
02:19It was never even a, it's never even in the conversation.
02:23We just, I mean, I don't know.
02:24We're just married to it.
02:25We've been doing it blindly.
02:27And I always say we stay together for the kids, you know, you know, not one of us in the band is going to break the band up because we're not going to take the credit for it.
02:37Yeah.
02:38So this band will stay together till somebody dies.
02:40I believe that.
02:41Yeah.
02:41Well, good.
02:42That's a, that's an unbelievable thing because yeah, a lot of bands, they come and go and there's members missing and this and the other thing.
02:47And I guess I didn't think about it till I started talking to you 43 years or so you guys have been at this, right?
02:52Yeah.
02:53It's been, that's 42.
02:5642.
02:56Wow.
02:5788, uh, 1980, we got together.
02:59So what it's 42 years, right?
03:01Wow.
03:02I mean, I, I couldn't imagine that you'd think you'd be talking to a, a DJ in Detroit, Michigan, still doing this in 2020.
03:09I never thought I'd be talking to a DJ anywhere.
03:12I never thought, I mean, when we started doing this, we naturally wanted to be super big rock star like everybody else, but we had no clue of how to do it, who to find to help us do it or what it was like to be there.
03:28You know, we're just dumb.
03:29We're just making music like everybody else.
03:31And we, we kind of still do, you know, you know, we, we've seen, you know, we've played for lots of people and, and, uh, and then very few people all within the same.
03:43Time scope, you know, so, you know, for us, it's like, we've just got to experience it all, you know, um, in some way or another.
03:50And I think that's what keeps us going.
03:53Now this, uh, let's get back to the record here.
03:55Uh, three, seven, one, this, uh, first, uh, the first studio album in 14 years.
03:59So did you guys have stuff kicking around?
04:01Did the pandemic play into it?
04:03Uh, were you just touring?
04:06What, what, what's the whole thing?
04:07Uh, guys didn't want to do a record because we felt like it has, in our opinion, it has to be better than Gretchen or Dogman, which people acclaimed as such a great record.
04:17And, um, we put, you know, I think five or six records out after that and, um, you know, they were what they were and people, some liked it, some don't.
04:26Some people thought, you know, this is not King's exit, their finest, you know, and other people thought it was the greatest thing they ever heard.
04:32But, you know, with all that floating around in our heads, we, uh, you know, Ty and Jerry especially said, you know, we can't do another record until we're ready and it's going to be the best thing that we've ever done from our point of view.
04:45Um, so 14 years later, I do Trace Mountains, PGP, um, uh, KXM, Hendrix Tribute, and two solo records and Grind the Blues album, two Grind the Blues albums.
05:01That's what I've done in those years.
05:03Um, and then, and I've always write, I mean, I write music like all the time.
05:09So I had about 20, I had 27 songs I brought into the, into the pack when we made, got ready to make this record.
05:17And Ty and Jerry had a whole bunch of songs also.
05:20Uh, and we just, um, went down the list and picked songs that we liked and recorded them.
05:25Um, and it was before the pandemic.
05:27So I'll, you know, all the stuff that I've written was within the last few years.
05:33Oh, really?
05:34Okay.
05:34So I was going to ask you, so this was this record, it wasn't finished before the pandemic, but the songs were all written before the pandemic or how's that?
05:41Yeah.
05:41The record was finished before the pandemic.
05:43Okay.
05:44Yeah.
05:44When the pandemic happened, Michael had to stop mixing it because everything shut down.
05:48And then we had some trouble with golden robot label.
05:52And so we went through some legal, uh, maneuvers and got out of that contract and then had to get another contract.
05:59And we got back with that inside out.
06:02And then after that, it takes, you know, a few months to, to, to work that out.
06:07And then, you know, you got to get the record pressed and you get, well, we had to mix it and master it.
06:12And so all that stuff was happening after the pandemic.
06:14So in between the pandemic, there was just like nothing going on, but this record is not a product of the pandemic, which a lot of people want to think it is.
06:22Lyrically, it even surprised us because lyrically, it sounds like we're singing about the pandemic, but actually it seems like whenever we sing about anything, it's what's going on at the time.
06:34Yeah.
06:35Yeah.
06:35I mean, I've, I've seen quotes that, you know, this, this might be a little bit darker or might be a little bit more negative from, from, from your aspect.
06:43Do you, do you, do you think that's true?
06:45Um, no, I, I, if I had said that I was delusional.
06:50I think you might've said it with maybe a little bit of a smirk, but some of the, some of the songs, uh, you know, you said, yeah, they could lead a little towards the negative side.
07:00Yeah, I think so.
07:01Well, you know, only because, you know, I'm talking about dying and just the dark side of the human humanity, which I always sing about anyway, but I always try to sing about the light side.
07:12And, you know, there's something, everybody always says I can get real depressed, but I always have some kind of hope shining out from behind it.
07:21And so that's what this album is again, you know, I mean, like flood, for instance, I mean, that is pretty dark.
07:27I mean, when I'm saying, I used to think that all we needed was love and now we just need, wipe us out, you know, just come wipe us out and start us over again.
07:35It seems like there's no way we're going to fix this.
07:36So that's pretty dark, you know, I've never, I've never been that fatalistic, you know, or, you know, I'm never going to give this up until the lights go out.
07:46What's my biggest fear?
07:47I might not know what's over there or might not like what's over there.
07:51I always say that wrong, but, uh, you know, it's about dying and it's not about committing suicide.
07:55It's about just getting old and, you know, sooner or later, it's going to happen, uh, the reality of it.
08:00And how do you deal with that?
08:02How do you, you know, keep on living and not let that worry you or get you down?
08:06Um, I don't know.
08:08It's, it's, we're old.
08:12Yeah.
08:12We're all a lot older than we were.
08:13Yeah.
08:14You know, it's funny because I guess I've never written a record, but I guess in, in, in retrospect, every record is an interceptive look at yourself.
08:22Right.
08:22And this one is no different.
08:24No different.
08:26That's the only way we know how to write is our own experiences.
08:30Now, I think that Ty said this was what, uh, the most enjoyable record he ever made.
08:35What do you think about that?
08:37Yeah.
08:37All of us.
08:38Yeah.
08:39Um, for some reason, I mean, we've been together forever.
08:42We've been made how many records and, you know, and we get into the studio all with, within a good, good moods, uh, expectation, excitement.
08:54Haven't seen each other in a long time.
08:57Haven't made a record since forever.
08:59It was fun.
09:00It really was.
09:02And to hear the tracks back and to hear the songs get turned into King's X.
09:08You know, I forgot after playing with so many other side projects, there's a magic that King's X has that, that I finally see, you know, in, in a way that helps me feel more comfortable being in this band.
09:21And even saying, Hey, we, we have something special there.
09:24Let's keep this going.
09:25You know, it was a good thing.
09:26I think all three of us felt really good about this record.
09:32That is a super interesting comment.
09:34I've had a chance to interview a lot of guys, but nobody's actually told me about that, but you actually have played with other guys and you have a chance to sit back and then, you know, why King's X is so good.
09:43Now you can kind of see it, huh?
09:45Yeah.
09:45And I wouldn't say King's X is so good, you know, is I would say I get King's X now.
09:52Okay.
09:52Oh, you get it.
09:53Yeah.
09:53I get it in a way that other people in a concept in my mind that, that many musicians see is when I hear King's X, I've learned that the three of us sort of playing each other's heads.
10:09We play with each other's nuances.
10:13That's something that I didn't find in other bands, other bands, all about the notes, all about the timing, all about tone, all about everything.
10:23But when you hit a note and you feel that note, like somebody's voice and you know how to match it because your voice, you've, you too have learned to match your voices.
10:36Then all of a sudden another thing happens, the two couple into something beautiful.
10:42That's why when you hear three singers sing and they're all in the vibration and the wobbling and the tones all mixed together and, and it's, and it's real.
10:53It's like Crosby, Stills and Nash and Young or King's X or the Beatles or, you know, other bands.
11:00Yes.
11:01I mean, bands that have harmonies when they hit that note, you it's a, it's one sound and you hear that voice and you have a name for it.
11:08Well, that's, that's, that's what makes a band.
11:13That type of band Led Zeppelin.
11:15They were that way.
11:16They played within each other.
11:18You know, you too does those bands that when they hit that note, it's the whole picture.
11:25You feel it not.
11:26Oh man, the guitar player is bad-ass.
11:27Oh, that's the best guitar player in the world.
11:29You know, that singer is great, you know, and other things lack in the band.
11:33But when, when you think of King's X, you just think of King's X.
11:37And I think that's what we are.
11:40It's just a, a wash of vibrations and feelings and beats and tones and, and love, you know, and anger, you know, and I always tell everybody, I love those guys as much as I hate them.
11:55I think we all do, you know, that's what, that's what a marriage is, isn't it?
11:59Yeah, I guess.
12:00Yeah.
12:00Um, it's interesting to bring up the harmonies because yeah, that's one thing I definitely think of immediately when I think of a King's X.
12:07And it's interesting to bring up the Beatles too, because you've had to have been a, uh, not maybe compared to them, but you kind of have the same kind of vibe, the same kind of harmonics going on.
12:16Oh man.
12:17Beatles are written all over us.
12:18Right.
12:19I don't want to like, you know, insult you or anything.
12:20We just should come out like the baby Beatles.
12:23Uh, uh, uh, Ty and Jerry are, they're probably their favorite, you know, band is the Beatles.
12:32My favorite band was not the Beatles.
12:34I never was a Beatle fan.
12:36The thing about the Beatles was I couldn't get away from the Beatles.
12:40Everything they did, everybody was doing.
12:43You heard it on the radio.
12:44You heard it on TV.
12:46Kids.
12:46I mean, it was Beatle, Beatlemania.
12:49And at that point, you just remember all those songs.
12:52I never bought the records.
12:53I never sat down and played them, but I know, we all know those songs, you know, it's like when it was driven into us and it, and it was a part of our musical education.
13:04You know, I mean, I've listened to a lot of music, uh, in different genres growing up in the fifties, show tunes and Frank Sinatra and Bing Cosby, you know what I mean?
13:14We're talking big band music and jazz and gospel and soul and rock and roll.
13:18So I've listened to all that stuff before I even heard of the Beatles.
13:23And so to me, it was another sound of a bunch of guys trying to sound like a bunch of people I already heard.
13:29And so I wasn't that impressed.
13:32I was 14 when they came out, but Ty and Jerry, that was a whole different story.
13:37Uh, they came from a different place.
13:39So, but my point is, uh, Ty and Jerry always tell me that I sound more like the Beatles than their influence of the Beatles in the King's X-Ray.
13:48So, so yeah, yeah.
13:50I, I, I still Beatles all the time, you know, I mean, uh, everywhere, everywhere on the last song on the album, you know, that's total Beatles.
13:58I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony.
14:00That's my rendition, you know?
14:02Yeah.
14:02So, uh, I mean, they wrote great, they wrote, they wrote very great, inspiring songs.
14:08Yeah.
14:08It's funny.
14:08You mentioned Crosby, Stills and Nash.
14:10I only saw him once.
14:10It was in 1999 opening up for the Grateful Dead, but I'll never forget those guys stand up on the side of the stage.
14:16I was on the, I was in the front row or somewhere and just watch them harmonize.
14:20It was, it was pretty moving.
14:22All these, I never forgot that.
14:24Yeah.
14:25That's what I'm talking about.
14:26Nuance.
14:27Those guys really learned how to match their voices to each other.
14:31And it, and it, and it created this beautiful, I mean, Marrakesha express, you know, or,
14:37but what is it?
14:38I, if I never did it before, I would probably know just what to do.
14:41Don't you?
14:42I'm going, are you fucking kidding me?
14:45That was, that was like Andrew's sisters in the thirties, you know?
14:48It's like, so for me, you know, music is, there's so much to vocals and so much to music that,
14:56that I wanted to explore it and I've been inspired by.
15:00So yeah.
15:00Crosby, Stills and Nash.
15:01That was, that was a big inspiration.
15:03Yeah, no doubt.
15:04So, um, you know, you've been an inspiration to a lot of bands and people may or may not
15:08know this, but, uh, you know, I posted something on my socials the other day about underrated
15:11bands and you've, you've heard this many times, I'm sure.
15:13But I mean, your name came up a lot.
15:16Yeah.
15:16You guys inspired so many of these grunge bands as well that people probably, some people
15:21may not realize.
15:23Yeah.
15:24Well, the thing was, there was this thing called drop detuning we did in, um, uh, 88 when our
15:30first record came out and almost the whole record was dropped detuned.
15:34And, uh, someone told me one time, they said the quickest way to get everybody to mimic
15:38you is to play something that any kid can play when they pick up a guitar immediately and drop
15:44detuning.
15:44When you pick up your guitar, you can play with one finger up and down the neck.
15:52I mean, all of a sudden you've got a helmet and you've got, uh, just, I mean, down the
15:57line, all these bands that were playing two chord drop B songs.
16:00Um, and then, you know, Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam, they all, I'll tell you, we influenced
16:06them.
16:06I remember, uh, and I know Chris Cornell and, and, you know, and me and him run neck and
16:12neck sometimes writing songs.
16:13We talk about it, you know, some, somebody called me up one time ago, have you heard
16:17a new Soundgarden tune?
16:19And I go, well, it sounds like a King's X ripoff.
16:21I go, what was it?
16:21They said, I'll shine.
16:22I'm going, yeah, it has that vibe.
16:24You know, somebody said Spoonman sounds like a song Tyrod.
16:27And I'm going, well, we were making those records at the same time.
16:31You know, I, I remember talking to Chris when we were making the Dogman record, they're
16:35making Super Unknown.
16:36We were laughing about how high we used to sing.
16:39And we made an agreement to sing lower on this, on the record.
16:43And, and, you know, we got a black hole sun and flies in blue skies, you know?
16:47So I think that me and him, I'm, I'm sure we influenced each other and pushed each other.
16:54Um, but then, you know, STP down the list.
16:58And then I remember, I remember when King, when Gretchen came out, we went on tour and
17:06I remember coming home after seven months and turned on Headbangers Ball and every band
17:12was dropped, detuned, and they were all new, except for Bon Jovi.
17:17All the rest of the business, this whole new thing had happened.
17:20And, and I'm going, my goodness, they're doing kind of what we do.
17:24And, um, and the screamers had disappeared.
17:26And those singers that sang real high, the glam rock was gone and people were grooving
17:32again and they were singing lower melodies.
17:34And, and that's kind of what we were doing when we first came out.
17:37So, you know, if that was an inspiration of people, yeah, I'll take that.
17:42Um, cause we were just imitating people that we heard.
17:44Um, yeah, yeah, I, um, you know, I was fortunate to be at that last, uh, Soundgarden show and
17:51I'll never forget because I, I remember the first time I ever played outshined on the radio
17:55and I, and right away I was taken aback.
17:57I'm like, this is like black Sabbath or something, you know?
18:00Yeah.
18:00And, uh, and then to, to be at the last show was like, you know, I think, uh, Soundgarden
18:04and Alice in Chains, as far as that era is, those are like, you know, my guys and stuff,
18:09but yeah.
18:09I know my guys too.
18:10I've known those guys.
18:11I knew Alice in Chains before they got signed.
18:14Laney, Laney did say to me, keep putting out, writing songs so we can keep ripping you off.
18:19He said that to Jerry actually, but he told me that on, uh, the rooster, he said, I was
18:25just doing Doug and I gave him a big hug, you know, and I love those guys.
18:29And, you know, again, they were, you know, they were just young kids.
18:34You know, I remember Pearl Jam, they didn't have a record deal and, and, uh, just sent
18:38me the tape with Temple of the Dog on, on the other side of it.
18:42And neither band was out.
18:43Um, so, you know, those back in the day, you know, they looked up to us and they used
18:49to say, we can't wait till we can open for you guys and get record deals and stuff.
18:53And we used to, we thought that was so cute.
18:55And then they all get record deals and just blow us out of the doors, you know?
19:00Oh, they all did.
19:01Every one of them, you know?
19:02And I, I smile and look at them and go, man, I knew you guys before when you were riding
19:06around in vans playing for nobody.
19:09You know, I remember King's X was on the road with ACDC opening and, um, some of the guys
19:14from Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains came to the show in Tacoma, Washington, and they were
19:20playing a little club and they said, would you guys come to the show?
19:23And so after we got done playing, we went over to this bar and Alice in Chains had Mookie
19:28Blalock, which is Pearl Jam, open for them.
19:31Yeah.
19:31There was probably maybe 20 people in the place and it was awesome.
19:35I remember watching Mike McCready going, this kid plays like Jimi Hendrix.
19:38He looked, he looked like he was 15, you know, you know, I loved them all.
19:43And so, yeah, we all go way back and, um, and yeah, we've all kind of inspired each other
19:48in some ways, I think.
19:50Yeah.
19:50That's unbelievable.
19:50So I was going to ask you, did any of these, uh, grunge bands ever take you guys out on
19:55tour to open up?
19:56Uh, uh, uh, Pearl Jam did.
19:58Okay.
19:58Um, but that's it.
20:01Um, but there are so many other bands that took us out that were King's X fans too, because
20:06you gotta remember even, you know, we mentioned people want to say the grunge thing, but we
20:12kind of were the darlings of the music community from Andy Summers to Joey Ramone.
20:18You know, I mean, I remember seeing Joey Ramone in the audience watching us play, standing in
20:23the middle of the floor with nobody else all by himself.
20:26So, you know, I remember Tom, Tom Maria, uh, from, uh, uh, Slayer told Jeff Amitt, Jeff
20:33Amitt at a King's X show.
20:34He said, that's my favorite band, you know?
20:37So, you know, there's just, I mean, I could go on and on and on.
20:40I met Elliot Easton and he had a tear in his eyes and said how much we meant to him.
20:45So, so, you know, back in the day when we had MTV and everybody wanted to be on MTV and
20:52watching, we watched them and they watched us, you know, and that's just the way it was.
20:58So, you know, it's good to be, it's, it's good to be, feel a part of that community and
21:04know that they know you, you know, go to a party and, and, and Izzy from Guns and Roses
21:09and never met him, walks up and says, Hey Doug, how's King's X?
21:11What are you up to?
21:12And I'm thinking, Oh, you know, we forget that we're all watching each other and we
21:17all like what each other does.
21:19Yep.
21:20Yeah, no doubt.
21:21It's like when I go out with some of my famous friends and another celebrity will walk up
21:25to him and my, someone will say, how do they know each other?
21:27I'm like, well, they're just famous.
21:28That's just how it is.
21:28Yeah.
21:29We listen to each other.
21:30Yeah, exactly.
21:32You know, uh, last time you were here in Detroit, I don't know if you remember this and I don't expect
21:35you to, but, uh, I showed you a picture of the first time I met you in person and it
21:39was a backstage.
21:40It was with, uh, Nikki six and John Karabi on that famous mom tour.
21:45Yeah.
21:46Yeah.
21:46And, uh, tell me just, I don't know.
21:48Do you remember anything about that tour?
21:50Because that tour was pretty wild, wasn't it?
21:52I mean, did you guys just play and leave or did you watch any of the shows?
21:56We played and then I hung out with everybody.
21:58And after the show, me and Tommy would smoke weed and listen to music on the tour bus.
22:03Um, there wasn't a whole bunch of parties and a lot of drugs and stuff like that.
22:08I was, I was surprised because it, I mean, maybe they were older and they didn't do that
22:12anymore, but, um, it was no wild parties, just a bunch of, bunch of guys like us who
22:18listen to music and love music.
22:20Um, I remember playing one night and Tommy was watching us and he ran on stage and grabbed
22:25my mic in the middle of Moan Jam and started screaming at the crowd, talking about how great
22:29we were and, and, and stuff and how he loved us.
22:33That was kind of crazy.
22:35Uh, and other than that, how I remember the last night we played with them, um, they,
22:43they put a bunch of chickens out on the stage while we were playing and they were running
22:46around.
22:47We were trying to dodge them.
22:48Um, and so when they played, uh, Jerry went and put a bunch of talcum part on Tommy's snare
22:53after, uh, uh, there was a, there was a space where the band stopped and Tommy left the drum
23:01set and something, I think somebody was doing a solo and Jerry went and put a bunch of talcum
23:05part on his snare and Tommy sat down and all of a sudden, oh, and it flew everywhere.
23:11He just, he had so much fun.
23:14One time Tommy went out and bought a thousand dollars worth of fireworks, piled them all
23:18in the middle of the, of the back of the building of the auditorium around the tour buses and
23:24lit them all.
23:26Really?
23:26We thought there was an earthquake happening.
23:28The buses were shaking and he was just losing and he was having such fun.
23:32I think I heard some of those stories.
23:33Uh, yeah, I saw the show I saw was in Western New York and I remember, uh, Nikki jumped off the
23:38stage and went into the crowd and at the time with, uh, Motley, uh, you know, Vince was gone
23:42and they were playing to like, you know, these, these, these places were hardly full and there
23:47was something going on.
23:48Someone was flipping them off or something jumped right in the crowd.
23:51You know, that was a tough, a tough road to hoe for those guys.
23:54That was a tough one because, you know, getting a new singer, you know, that's, that's the guy
23:58that everybody notices the most.
24:00And so getting a new singer, it's kind of hard to get people behind you at the, at the beginning,
24:05you know, and, uh, I remember we went out playing arenas and ended up playing sheds.
24:11You know, people just weren't coming, uh, 15,000 seater with 3000 people.
24:15Yeah.
24:16And, and, uh, and, you know, it's sad, sadly enough, but that's just the way it was that
24:21time too.
24:22It was the grunge era and a lot of those.
24:24Oh, I forgot about that.
24:26Yeah.
24:26That's, that's true.
24:28Yeah.
24:28They, you know, they put out a great record, but some, they shouldn't have named it
24:32Motley Crue or something else, but like, you know, it was an awesome record.
24:35But yeah, it was a cry.
24:37I'd be such a great singer and songwriter.
24:39Yeah.
24:39So final thing here for you, Doug, and we'll cut you loose.
24:41A new record, by the way, three sides of one drop September 2nd.
24:44If my mouth.
24:45Yeah.
24:46Yes.
24:46Day before my birthday.
24:47Oh, is that right?
24:48All right.
24:49Nice birthday present for you right there.
24:51Yeah.
24:51So I saw somebody ask, uh, uh, Klaus from the Scorpions the other day, how much gas you
24:55got left in the tank?
24:56What do you say?
24:58Um, well, I, I, I, I, I fill it up and it goes down and I fill it up.
25:02And that's probably the way it'll be probably for the rest of my life.
25:10If I got the gas, I'm going, if there ain't no gas, I ain't going.
25:14Yeah.
25:14Well, working on 42, 43 years with, uh, King's X and, uh, Doug, man, I'll tell you a huge
25:19respect for the band.
25:20I just love the band.
25:21Uh, one of course, uh, the first studio record in 14 years and I'll have to put that one on
25:27the turntable.
25:28And, uh, thanks so much for your time and great to see you as a surprise to, uh, to be
25:31able to see you today.
25:32So that's awesome.
25:33Same here.
25:34We'll see you again in Detroit.
25:36All right, brother.
25:37Peace and love.
25:38Peace and love.