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00:49I can't see the people who are fighting this kind of situation.
00:53What kind of circumstances comes from this country when you see this situation?
00:57See, this is a loss of life, to anyone who is the same.
01:04It evokes a lot of suffering from the truth.
01:08And this is a terrible thing.
01:11If I compare this to it, I would say that in comparison,
01:15That's why Hamas had the civilians who were enjoying their attack on them.
01:22This is the same.
01:23At that point, I was scared of myself.
01:25If Israel wasn't my country,
01:28but if I was scared of myself,
01:30then I was scared of myself.
01:32And when I'm talking about this,
01:34this is not my fault.
01:35This is my fault.
01:36This is my fault.
01:37This is my fault.
01:38This is my fault.
01:39If it's a little bit,
01:40if it's a link with the manavta,
01:44and the force is more than that,
01:46then it also gives more pain.
01:48It gives a lot of pain,
01:49and it gives a lot of pain.
01:50And that is why I feel,
01:52that when there are incidents,
01:54the person wants to be retaliatory.
02:00When a panic sees such a situation,
02:05it's the biggest pain.
02:08I'm scared of myself.
02:10So,
02:11I'm scared of my anger.
02:13I'm scared of myself.
02:14I'm scared of myself.
02:15I guess I'm scared of myself.
02:17I'm scared of myself.
02:18This is because I get so much pain.
02:21I miss it.
02:22I feel so sorry.
02:23Yeah,
02:24I don't know how I do anything.
02:25I will imagine.
02:26I'm so scared of myself.
02:27I feel like that.
02:29I feel like I feel like I have a problem.
02:31I need some sleep,
02:32a lot.
02:33I am really know.
02:34That I feel like I have never met.
02:35Yeah.
02:36That's right.
02:37I know that there is also anger, anger and anger.
02:42They want to know that whoever has done it,
02:45he will teach it as soon as soon as possible.
02:48Look, I had a commission in 1981,
02:51and at the same time,
02:54if we had two postings in JNK,
02:57there were two postings in JNK
03:00and in Kashmir Valley there were two postings.
03:02One postings in 2001,
03:05when I was in operation branch,
03:07there was a time for the peak of militancy,
03:09which I will tell you about later.
03:11Then in 2005-2007,
03:13then I was in the planning branch,
03:17where all the offensive plans are made.
03:19So this was JNK.
03:23And one as a brig administration,
03:262009-2011,
03:28my tenure was in Assam,
03:32there was also militancy,
03:35there was also militancy.
03:36But now,
03:38I want to tell you something about JNK.
03:40I want to tell you,
03:42that when I was in 2001,
03:44that was the two years,
03:46it was very painful.
03:48It was very painful,
03:50because I had to tell you,
03:52there was no militancy
03:54or any militancy
03:55or any militancy
03:56or any encounter
03:57that we had
03:58with us.
03:59There were many people
04:00who had to get
04:02to see.
04:03And because I was in operation branch,
04:04so every incident
04:05that happened,
04:06because I was in office branch,
04:07I was in left-in-carnel
04:08and left-in-carnel
04:09and left-in-carnel
04:10and left-in-carnel
04:11and left-in-carnel
04:12and left-in-carnel
04:13and left-in-carnel
04:14when I analyzed
04:15this incident,
04:16I saw that
04:18when I was in a soldier
04:20who comes to a soldier,
04:21it gives me a lot of pain.
04:22And in that moment,
04:24the most painful incident
04:27that I saw
04:29that I was in a narrowly
04:31or missed,
04:33it was 25 December 2000.
04:36At that moment,
04:38Vajpayee Ji's director
04:40and George Fernandez
04:41who was a Minister
04:42and George Fernandez
04:43and George Fernandez
04:45had a trend
04:47that was
04:48as a Christmas
04:49as well as
04:50they were always
04:51with the soldiers.
04:52So,
04:53in the 25th
04:54in the morning,
04:55they went to the
04:56late-in-carnel
04:57and left-in-carnel
04:58and left-in-carnel
05:00and left-in-carnel
05:01and left-in-carnel
05:02and left-in-carnel
05:03and left-in-carnel
05:04and left-in-carnel
05:06and left-in-carnel
05:07and left-in-carnel
05:08and left-in-carnel
05:09and left-in-carnel
05:10and left-in-carnel
05:11and left-in-carnel
05:13and left-in-carnel
05:14over
05:18and left-in-carnel
05:19at neighbor
05:20that,
05:22a car
05:31он
05:33NI
05:39which is my opinion of 13 people who were shepherded
05:43and some people who were gone.
05:45This number, I'm telling you,
05:47because the numbers are comparable.
05:50And I'll tell you,
05:53that in our BB can't,
05:55there's a feeling of pain.
05:57I don't want to do that.
05:59You can't do that.
06:00You can't do that.
06:01You can't do that.
06:02You can't do that.
06:03You can't do that.
06:05You can't do that.
06:07You can't do that.
06:09If I'm late for 10 minutes,
06:10then I'm not going to be with you today.
06:11Look, it's such a way,
06:13that the army's plans are always ready.
06:18But what happens?
06:20You have made plans,
06:22but there are some changes in the time.
06:25As you heard,
06:27the army chief is in Kashmir Valley,
06:30and if they meet senior leaders,
06:32then they don't have to eat chai and samosa.
06:34We have to prepare every contingency.
06:37And those commanders on the ground,
06:39what do they do?
06:40They give various options
06:43which they give to army chief.
06:45The option doesn't mean it.
06:47The option doesn't mean it.
06:48The option is,
06:49if we have such a small action,
06:51then we can do what to do.
06:53If we have to increase it,
06:55then we can do what to do.
06:56If we have to increase it,
06:57then we can do what to do.
06:58If we have to go all out war,
06:59then we can do what to do.
07:01So,
07:02we can do all these options.
07:04There is a lot of options,
07:05then we can discuss all these options.
07:06And ultimately,
07:07what is the option?
07:08When it will take it,
07:09what scale will take it,
07:10then it will be a surprise.
07:12Then we can do something,
07:13nothing is wrong.
07:14But I know much more,
07:15very much more.
07:16Something should happen,
07:17but it should happen,
07:18when it will happen,
07:19how much will it happen,
07:21and where it will happen.
07:22This will be all the surprises.
07:23Everybody will develop them.
07:24Look at that.
07:25that one thing you can remember is that if one of your children is in your house, if one
07:30of them has gone through one door, then the next time you can't go through that door.
07:35So, when the URI was done, they were gone to the ground.
07:43The second time, when the PULVAMA happened, Pakistan was thinking that they will come again
07:49But our political leadership here, I want to use the Air Force after the 1971 war, across the border, if it was done, it was the first time.
08:06We had the Air Force line of control or international border across the border.
08:13Because this war goes to another level.
08:18And in Pakistan, I had never thought that it was so deep that there will be an air strike.
08:27But the Indian Air Force has done it.
08:33If we say that if we put these two options again, then the template is not possible.
08:39This is the first job that I have done, which I have done, my heart is very happy.
08:44It was the first job that I have said that we have the Indus Water Treaty to abrogate.
08:48The rest of the things that you have just been made.
08:51Your staff was 50, 35 years old.
08:54It doesn't have any difference.
08:56The main difference is Indus Water Treaty, which we have abrogate.
08:59They have abrogate.
09:00Those militants' houses were blasted by their houses.
09:02Because they had the news that they have come from there.
09:06They had the news that when the militants were forced, when they were forced, they had something suspicious.
09:12They were forced to get out of the house.
09:14And after that, this house was blasted by their house.
09:18They had a timer, a sensor, an ID, put something in place.
09:22So, when we were forced to get into the Indian forces, they would be damaged by its side, the forces would be damaged.
09:28Luckily, there would be no damage.
09:30What is happening now?
09:32The thing happens is that every person has a instant result.
09:37But the instant result is not the things in this situation.
09:41But if you read the Battle Indicators, Indus Water Treaties already in Pakistan has already started a situation in the world of people in Pakistan.
09:53Internal?
09:54Internal Treaties.
09:55Internal Treaties.
09:56We are sitting here, we don't know what's going on, but the reactions are coming from there, because there was a little problem of water there.
10:07Along with that, the water that was coming from Punjab, in the Cholistan desert area, the army of Pakistan, because it's there, they thought that we will divert the water.
10:21We will take the water here, we will take the water here, we will build housing complex here, we will build the water here.
10:27Now, the thing is that if we put our water here, we will be able to divert the water here, then the Synth province will be what will happen.
10:34So, the Synths already has already started the water here.
10:38Now, the other thing is that if we say that the militant was done, we will not be able to do that.
10:48So, that's why I will tell you, I will tell you, I will tell you about a incident in 1972.
10:51I will tell you about a incident in Munich Olympics.
10:53In which Israel's athletes, the P.A.L.O., the terrorists, the Olympians, the Olympians, were killed in cold blood.
11:05It was a similar situation.
11:07And after that, Israel's intelligence agency, what did Israel's intelligence agency?
11:11what did they do with one act?
11:12Um, they did identify a few people, they did identify that they were killed by the wave of the people.
11:16And they'll remove the people, they didn't remove the family, they can't, they didn't remove the whole world.
11:20They did don't want to see them in flinging the world.
11:21But, they did not remove the family.
11:22One's family member, they did not leave the family members, which was the one that was done by the people that were killed in the United States.
11:24And as a matter of the world, one that was done by the EU, one of the people that they were killed.
11:26After that, when they started killing them, they had so many involved and all of them eliminated them.
11:32They put a pressure on them.
11:33You will do it and you will do it with your whole family.
11:37The better thing is that if we change the direct all-out war,
11:41we will spread the pressure on them.
11:44After that, in their country, or wherever they are stolen,
11:49they will kill them.
11:51The impact of them will be more.
11:54If not, they will kill them four or five.
11:56Who are their handlers?
11:58They are like Gajar Mooli.
12:00If you kill them, they will kill them again.
12:04But if they are the ring leaders, if you eliminate them,
12:08when you do the masterminds, you must have a pressure on the mind of the masterminds.
12:12When they are the pressure on them, they have control over them.
12:15One positive thing is that the majority,
12:21because in the past six years, they have seen a good happiness.
12:29They do not want to want to.
12:31But then, the bad elements that are running,
12:36they have been killed in the past six years.
12:38If they are the president's rule,
12:41they will also eliminate them.
12:43So, the underground, the OGW's,
12:47the support of them,
12:49they have been there.
12:50one thing always remember that the terrorists can't live without the local support.
12:56And the local support, such as a fish to water, it's the same way.
13:04Otherwise, it's not impossible to sustain this area.
13:09That's why our agencies are trying to identify those people who have supported them.
13:17And until they don't eliminate them, this will not be possible.
13:21It's about 1500 people.
13:23Absolutely.
13:24The thing is that we are saying that there are many arrests.
13:29There are many interrogations.
13:31And sooner or later results will come.
13:34But if we expect that,
13:36I only have two minutes left,
13:39I can't remove them.
13:42It's time.
13:43It's not a noodle that will become two minutes.
13:45If you have to eat them for 2-4 hours,
13:47you have to have patience.
13:49So we will have to wait.
13:50But you will find.
13:51I can say one thing very confidently,
13:53two personalities for you.
13:56One, our armed forces on our whole trust.
13:59That when we have many security forces,
14:02whether it be paramilitary or army,
14:04those who are doing it,
14:06we will have full trust on them.
14:08And we will have 200% support.
14:11That's right.
14:12That's the same way.
14:13When Israel has to take action on Hamas,
14:16whether it be opposition or anything,
14:18they will have 200% support.
14:21Nitin Yahu gave us the same way.
14:23That's the first thing.
14:25The second thing.
14:27Today our leadership is so strong.
14:30In the past 75 years,
14:32that's no longer the way,
14:33it has to be liggerging.
14:34That's because we have to believe
14:36that leadership should be in a way.
14:38And we should support this leadership.
14:39What you want me to do with any political level.
14:41What you want to do with any political.
14:42Let them have a little bit.
14:43Let us forget to see.
14:44Before we have a long time.
14:45When you have to find elections we will have to continue.
14:46That's part of a different way.
14:47It's a different thing, but at this time, these two entities are the same as 200% support us.
14:54Where this area has been, which I have got inputs,
15:00is that this area has been opened for tourism.
15:07Now they say that the two days before this area has been opened,
15:14without security clearance has been opened.
15:18This is the biggest thing that comes from.
15:22Our security deployment has a grid formation.
15:27If you look at chess blocks, they are made a grid.
15:31So the grid works.
15:33Now the nearest post was there.
15:35Last question, sir.
15:37We have seen a good thing here.
15:42We have seen a lot of people who came here.
15:47They came here.
15:48They came here.
15:49They came here.
15:50They came here.
15:51They came here.
15:52They came here for free services.
15:54So the first time, the people of Kashmir have been standing here.
16:01They came here against the country.
16:03They came here against the people of Kashmir.
16:05What are you seeing here?
16:06The time you were telling us that the peak militant was the same time.
16:09How many people did that?
16:11It's a very different time.
16:12In that time, look at that time in 2001,
16:15that was the 20th month of the time.
16:17Because in that time, the border was so much firing on the border.
16:22Because my branch had to give big boss briefing on the day,
16:26so my G2 was in the morning at 4 o'clock.
16:29They got to get the firing reports.
16:31They got to get the firing reports.
16:32They got to get the firing reports.
16:33They got to get the firing reports.
16:35They got to get the firing reports.
16:45So, the interaction that Beispiel has turned into the day one of the month.
16:49The internal 방 battery changed all the phone.
16:54And it was always warm.
16:58Now for you people know-
17:00And if you don't get support, then you don't get the incident.
17:05That's why I think, in hindsight, we are saying that there was a judicial overreach
17:15that when the judiciary has given the court that you have to do that in September,
17:20until you have 100% of the stability,
17:25if you leave it to 90%, then you can go back again.
17:30For all of us, we have done the same things.
17:33Major Colonel Sammi Sabrawal Ji told us that
17:38that in the direction of the Jumbo Kashmir's situation,
17:42there was a little bit of a change,
17:45and that the army made its own identity,
17:48and especially our leadership,
17:50and that the situation is the same.
17:53So we will see when the government will be able to do action,
17:58and that the government will be able to do action,
18:00and that the military action will be able to do.
18:04This will be the same thing.
18:06I am Dhirat Sajwan, ETV, Bharat, Dharadu.