"Shocking Revelations from Errol Musk: Free Speech Under Attack and Elon's Parenting Truth Exposed!"
Get ready to have your mind blown! In a jaw-dropping interview on The Andrew Eborn Show, host Andrew Eborn takes us all the way to South Africa to sit down with Errol Musk, father of the iconic Elon Musk, for a no-holds-barred conversation that’s lighting up the internet. Buckle up, because this is one wild ride you won’t want to miss!
The fireworks start early when Errol dives into the hot topic of free speech. He’s fired up about J.D. Vance’s bold claim at the Munich Security Conference on Valentine’s Day, where Vance slammed European governments for turning their backs on free expression. “It’s a bigger threat than Russia!” Vance declared, and Errol couldn’t agree more. “He’s spot on!” Errol exclaims, slamming European leaders for what he calls a Nazi-style crackdown on speech. “They want you to only say what they allow—sounds like Hitler’s playbook to me!” Cue the gasps!
Things get even crazier when Andrew brings up chilling examples—like a UK citizen arrested for praying outside an abortion clinic and Scotland’s push to ban prayer at home. Errol doesn’t hold back: “Either these leaders are thick as planks, or they’re doing it on purpose!” He argues Europe’s dark history of monarchies has left its people “genetically wired” to obey authority blindly, comparing them to sheep herded by fear. “They’ve lost it!” he says, shaking his head.
But the real bombshell? The UK’s Online Safety Act has charged nearly 300 people with “speech crimes” since its rollout, with 67 convictions already. Errol’s take? “It’s insane! They’re criminalizing free thought while monarchies still pull the strings!” He even suggests Europe’s obsession with control dates back to burning witches and jailing Galileo—history that’s still haunting us today.
Then, the conversation takes a juicy turn to Elon Musk himself. Over 1,700 academics are demanding Elon’s expulsion from the Royal Society, accusing him of “assaulting scientific research.” Errol laughs it off, dropping a hilarious zinger: “These are the same geniuses who said the sun was a giant lump of coal in 1900!” He defends his son’s free-speech crusade on X, insisting it’s not hurting Tesla one bit. “With a backlog of 450,000 cars, a little slowdown’s a blessing!” he quips.
The gossip gets spicier when Andrew tackles rumors about Elon’s personal life. Did Errol really call him a “bad father”? “Total nonsense!” Errol snaps, setting the record straight. He explains Elon’s insane work ethic—building empires like PayPal and Tesla—left little time for his kids early on. “He wasn’t at the beach—he was changing the world!” Now, Elon’s pouring love into his youngest, proving he’s “too good” a dad. And that tragic loss of his first child to SIDS? “Ridiculous to blame him!” Errol roars, blaming overreliance on nannies—not Elon—for missing the maternal touch.
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00:00well hello and a very warm welcome back to the andrew eborn show with me andrew eborn i'm
00:13delighted to go all the way down to south africa yet again to join the regular on this show errol
00:18mask how are we doing errol i'm all right thank you very much uh tired but uh well you've been
00:25all over the place i mean all sorts of glorious statements are being regurgitated in the press
00:32but i'm very keen to get your feedback on a couple of things we had jd vance in the munich security
00:37conference on valentine's day and he criticized european governments for what he perceived
00:42as a retreat from free speech he said it's a much bigger threat uh than russia what's your take on it
00:49yes he made exactly the right comments it was perfect they had no answer to him and uh
00:57their answer simply was although they apparently are too sick or something to see it but their answer
01:06was we want to go back to the way the nazis did it in nazi germany you know that's what they want
01:14so it seems almost impossible to believe but the german defense defense minister's response was
01:21we want uh interpreted correctly is uh we want uh hitler type uh freedom of suppression of freedom
01:31of speech you know you can only say what we want you to say yeah and it is extraordinary that sort of
01:38side isn't it i mean he quoted a couple of examples so one of the example he he spoke about was somebody
01:43who was arrested in the uk for praying outside uh of an abortion clinic it's ridiculous and now the
01:51scots want to uh put out a thing where if you pray at home it's also against the law um i mean look
02:00either these people like this defense minister in germany and the europeans are thick as planks or
02:08or they are doing it on purpose i mean it's you can't credit uh thinking like that and talk like
02:15that to anyone with us even a modicum of intelligence you know you can't yeah well so his words were the
02:22threat that i worry the most about vis-a-vis europe is not russia it's not china it's not any other
02:27external actor and what i worry about is the threat from within i mean powerful words from yes
02:33yes well he's right i mean everything he says is right it's not complicated it's very simple
02:40but they see european people seem to have lost it they've just lost it i i can't understand what
02:48the problem is europe has had so much suffering over the years uh you know in terms of strife and
02:55inter ultimately inter-tribal warfare really that uh you think by now they they'd have they'd woken up
03:03you know but um it took the european people to go to america and be exposed to um a different kind of
03:14uh sort of government to change uh to a different kind of people you know at the end of the day
03:22europeans appear to be cheap you know that you heard around yeah i i think that's i mean it's
03:31come at a time when uh there's been a revelation uh the latest statistics out saying that nearly 300
03:37people have been charged with online speech crimes in the uk since the advent of the online safety act
03:44uh and again this is prompting concerns about restriction on freedom of speech basically what
03:49the legislation does it criminalizes what they call the spread of fake news and the sending of
03:54threatening communications and it's led to 67 convictions so far um lord toby young who's a
04:00founder of the free speech union he says the number of people who've been charged with this defense
04:04is deeply concerning i presume you share his concern well yes of course the thing is the europeans have
04:13been subjects of monarchies for you know a sufficient time to alter their genetics so um when you've been
04:23a subject of a monarchy which can decide whether you live or die for no reason whatsoever um uh and
04:32to a certain extent still applies in england if they if they need it you know for a d notice you
04:38know my opinion diana um so among others so yes um um um they've been under monarchy for so long that
04:47the genetics get altered and they they can't think anymore so they presume that whatever they do has
04:55to please the monarch failing which they will be you know dunked in water and see if they're a witch
05:01or they'll be burned at the stake or as galileo was he was imprisoned for life after being
05:07sentenced to death and uh and so on so many others of course in europe so the concept that the church or
05:16in this in europe's case all the monarch can simply kill you is very well ingrained uh you know burn you
05:24the stake and all that sort of stuff so um you know it took the them to leave the uh europe and go to
05:32other countries such as uh one of them they came towards south africa south africa was not populated by
05:39uh europeans that came out of prisons they were just populated by initially by uh people who worked for
05:46the dutch east india company and so they were people were working for themselves so that they're a fine
05:53kind of people they're not not to say that you can't you know do well if your parents were
06:01conflicts at some point but the thing is they were originally always you know the huguenots from
06:06france and and the people who went to the dutch east india company there were people who fled
06:10persecution from france and there were people who worked in um for for a large independent company
06:18called the dutch east india company and so as a result they haven't had uh for 350 years or so
06:25they haven't had anything to to to these people in south africa i'm talking about these european people
06:32that came here and now call themselves africaners they haven't uh had this uh they've lost this
06:39thing that the monarch can decide whether they live or die or the church you know and but the people in
06:45europe i would think they still have it in them they still have it in them that's why a hitler could
06:50do what he did because it was easy to to just tell them um what to do and uh the only country that
06:58showed a sign of uh being a way moving away from monarch was england off they killed the uh the one king
07:06you know chuck or something i think his name was charles yes chuck i think chuck or johnny or yes
07:13like that he was he was uh killed um and um so that sort of gave the uh the english a little bit of
07:21free thinking but it seems as though it sank back again and um once again they're frightened you know
07:28i remember my mother was british obviously she grew up in england born in uh liverpool and so on
07:33and every time even in england when we used to have black and white tv when the queen came on tv
07:40everybody had to keep quiet and everybody had to sit up and it was it was kind of queer creepy you
07:49know because why you know she can't see you or anything and so but we all had to sit up here and
07:54keep quiet and um so they gave me an indication of how the people there really think you know there is an
08:01ingrained fear of uh authority and unbridled authority that people in europe and still in
08:09england they have yeah no you're absolutely right well i mean the point that toby young brilliantly
08:13makes is that if if you're trying to criminalize disinformation it empowers the state to decide what
08:19is and isn't true well yes exactly i mean uh i know that even now in england uh right now you
08:27maybe and others and all the others um are very frightened to say anything against against the
08:35monarchy you know really it's in you terrifying but see i said chuck and you quickly said no no no
08:42john's a first you know you know i mean you know um no no to me it's chuck chuck the you did the
08:55chuck who didn't make it you know you know well that's a centric chuck the joke yeah i i want to
09:03touch on some of the other stories in in the media at the moment and and one of the ones that you wanted
09:08me to sort of talk talk with you about was the royal society being urged to expel elon as fellows
09:14have signed up to this open letter there's more than 1700 academics have complained about elon's
09:20behavior citing his assault on scientific research uh talk to me about that well you know the royal
09:27society in 1901 i think they start they they first came out in 1900 to say that the sun is made of
09:37coal okay the sun in the sky is made of coal and people wrote and asked and speeches were made and
09:47then it was finally confirmed by the royal society that the sun is made of coal and that's why it keeps
09:55burning because a huge lump of coal in the sky okay took uh so that's what the royal societies was
10:02without michael faraday and people like that uh well that's actually the royal institute but
10:08without some people it's just a bunch of um conventional you know uh ordinary academics
10:16punching the same old line you know one after the time one after each other so yeah i took a i took a
10:24patent clerk who couldn't get a first class degree and as a result couldn't get a job teaching in a in a in a
10:32university couldn't lectures uh get a lectureship um to write a two-page in 1905 which he sent in
10:40we didn't have the money for postage by the way so he had to have somebody take it by hand when they
10:44made it to heidelberg university and handed in which uh ended with the expression e equals mc squared
10:53and his name was albert einstein you know so then they said oh oh maybe the sun isn't made of coal
11:02but it took them about 15 years to to work that one out too now i'm not impressed yeah i i understand
11:11but there seems to be a big backlash doesn't there i mean and it's it's elon has uh made sure he's he's
11:16been the uh at the town square for free speech this is what x is all about um but it has affected
11:22his business interests as a result hasn't it no no i don't think so um you know as far as the royal
11:29society is concerned i don't think elon could care less uh you know couldn't care less um the uh
11:36business side no no um one of the things that is is a bit of an advantage if one talks about um
11:46a slow it may look the economy has been slowing down a little bit in all around really for for
11:53for various reasons but um one of the um advantages is that when you have a a backlog of 450 000 vehicles
12:04you know for example tesla then slowing down of demand it helps a little bit to try and um you know
12:12keep keep up it's a killer when you when you when you can only deliver a vehicle uh you know months
12:18or years or after it's been ordered it's not nice uh mercedes have been in that position where
12:24at one time it was only possible to order a mercedes and you know it was back in the 70s i mean now i
12:32could just walk in and buy any Mercedes away but in in the past it was the same with them so when
12:40you've got a huge backlog of of cars to produce um you know it helps if it just the pressure goes
12:47off a little bit so i'm not worried about that um sorry there's basically some sort of people who
12:55are pushing back against the doge and how effective it is and they're they're saying they're going to
12:59picket outside tesla uh factories and and where showrooms and so on and so forth
13:04yes but if you took the people who you've seen i'm always amazed to see how many people
13:13go to a soccer match you know uh you know you see them in the stands you know it seems to go up and
13:20up and up and up right at the back you know like there must be like 700 000 i don't know how many people
13:27are in that in those stands to watch 11 people play soccer or 22 i mean and um you know so those are
13:35the people that support doge okay okay so when you go out in the street and you see one or two people
13:42you know with a frown they've always been moners and groaners with the thing saying i don't support
13:50doge or doge then those are the ones you're talking about and then of course the the reporters
13:58find themselves drowned out by this by the cheering and and and everything in the stadium so it's hard
14:05for them to interview any of the hundred thousand you support doge that are all in there so they go
14:10out in the street where there's nobody and they find this you know sort of semi-homeless person
14:16and ask him what he thinks or she thinks and then that person says all right if i ever get a tesla i'm
14:22going to sell it i won't buy it you know so then they go plaster that all over their crummy newspapers
14:28all around the world you know it's simple really no i think you're right and anybody why anybody would
14:34resist the mission basically i always say that sunlight is the best disinfectant why anybody would
14:39say it started off by saying we're going to find inefficiencies we're going to save uh money um
14:45it's actually exposed a lot of corruption as well hasn't it yes well we indeed you know when people
14:51when this is first mentioned i had people contacting me and i said no the plan isn't going to be to
14:58throw people out of work because that's not that's not who we are that's not certainly not who elon is
15:04the plan is to find a um work that's not making any sense or jobs that aren't making sense
15:13and read and reposition say somebody or perhaps not continue with that post that was the approach
15:21the main approach was that they're going to look at the you know sort of what we used to call in
15:27engineering time and motion studies of a of the department and to see where the holdups
15:34are as elon pointed out only 10 000 people can retire at any in any year in america simply
15:42because the elevator that takes the manila manila envelopes down a mine shard to a storage space
15:49can only accommodate 10 000 movements a year or something like that so that that's ridiculous
15:55that's amazing and um and as he said that particular mine where they hide all these manila manila
16:02envelopes has a thousand people doing it thousand people collecting the envelopes at the top and
16:09taking them down and putting them down at the bottom i mean it's insane anyway so no no then when elon
16:16and the team got into the departments i won't say they started with us aid but when they got into usa
16:24they realized that this is not the case that money is being stolen left right and center and it is
16:32being given to themselves they're paying themselves they're washing money they're issuing blank checks
16:38to their friends um they are doing the most extraordinary things the list is unbelievable uh in the last year
16:46they've given the taliban 697 million dollars that was um that figure was given by a congressman in a congress hearing
16:57you know in congress that um so it's not like hearsay or anything they they um gave the taliban
17:04697 million dollars taxpayers money and these are the same people that american servicemen who have been killed by
17:14and you know uh and in quite recent times so you have to ask yourself unless you're really stupid or something
17:22what's going on you know my government is not working for me or the people or we've been infiltrated by
17:32as you know in the others with donald sutherland's great movie i think it was called the others or
17:38the strangest among us and um or we've been infiltrated by um people who dress like human beings
17:46and you need a special pair of glasses or something yeah to see them really and and they are the ones
17:53that are now in these government places doing all these things because no normal person would be doing
18:00those things and so um one has to come to the possible conclusion that we've been infiltrated
18:07by aliens and many of them or most of them work for the usa you know because so they're all paying
18:14each other and um and the sort of things that they're putting up money for are so odd and so crazy
18:22that when elon went into it with all these people and he employed the smartest young minds
18:27we haven't been spoiled by pre-con pre what do you call it pre pre-thinking or you know sort of
18:36you know they're not stuck in some rut or something like that young people they're still young to see
18:41where the problems are they called him and said um you know we can't do this this whole department
18:47has to be closed down so they closed the entire department down told the 2400 the aliens that work
18:54there they can't come to work anymore locked the doors and took the name of the building
18:59because the whole operation is preposterous and they've also found things that i'm i have to
19:08still confirm whether these reports are 100 true but usa gave chelsea clinton 85 million dollars
19:16gave elizabeth warren six million dollars and then two million dollars and so on and so forth
19:23so um they've been paying these these these people and bernie whatever his name is you know that sort
19:32of semi-intelligent individual who has millions of dollars and great number of houses but calls himself
19:39a communist you know just sort of himself but at any rate you are so um it's um you know uh there's
19:49no doubt about it and then the other thing is that when they start getting into the other departments
19:53it's going to get worse and worse and worse you know it's going to be worse and i think that's the
19:58thing isn't as you rightly say let's let's get the evidence the jury's out chelsea clinton has been
20:03tweeting herself saying she hasn't taken anything at all but but let's find it let's let's have all the
20:07evidence and then people can make their own decisions um another story which is going all
20:13round of what the viral is obviously about ashley st claire and uh uh and the so conservative
20:19influencer uh that she's given you another grandchild yes yes well that's nice i mean that's nice i
20:28i'm elon's not married he can do whatever he likes i mean you know the day you try the knot in the
20:35olden days anyway in the olden days when i was you know which is not that far back if you marry if
20:42you weren't married you can do whatever you like i mean uh there's no rules you know show me the rules
20:47i'd like to see the rules so you lady you don't want to marry me then i'll go without go with anybody i
20:52want to it's got nothing to do with you you want to marry me well that's different and then then i
20:58went but not if you're not married to me i'll do whatever i like yeah well one of the post things that
21:03miss sinclair put out on x is that's uh she's been planning for five years to have elon's child
21:10well yes you know i mean it stands to reason that a lot of people i've had it would like you to be the
21:18father of their child single woman who are reaching the end of their their um you know sort of
21:24childbearing age i i learned from my second marriage that when women reach the age of 35
21:31they enter the danger zone for having children and special tests have to be done all the time
21:38so childbearing age is and of course some many people obviously can say oh no no but no no it is 35
21:46and um from 35 onwards you have to have special tests all the time to see what what's happening
21:53and these women are professional and their lives you know have just amounted to running around
22:00many of them pretending that they have very big jobs very famous or other important jobs
22:06and really they're not that important and they've got a company car
22:09and they haven't got they've got twenty thousand dollars in credit card debt and they haven't got
22:14anything and they don't even have a child and so then uh that's the most of them anyway
22:19very much very majority of them anyway and then they um um decide they want a child and these days
22:28you can um do the most extraordinary things i've discovered you can um provide the woman can provide
22:37you know the female egg and the man can provide the um the the the the the seed on his side
22:45they form an embryo the embryo can be frozen and it can be reused at any time apparently which is
22:54quite extraordinary not only that you can even choose whether you want to have a boy or a girl
22:58that's amazing oh no to determine eye color you can determine all sorts of things that you can put in
23:06there on that sort of stuff well yeah so so so a woman who's highly uh occupied sees her time is
23:13running out can with the solution funds um do that and and then later on when her heavy work
23:22or something starts to you know become less or let's say and then she can have the child
23:28uh even through a surrogate it doesn't have to be planted back in her it can be planted in a surrogate
23:35which i don't i don't like that idea at all but sometimes it does and then they can have a child
23:41in their perhaps you might say older years you know what what don't you like about the idea of a surrogate
23:47well i don't know the first thing that occurs to me is that if i was born from a surrogate
23:55i'm probably very much like the surrogate i'm not entirely um you know my parents child anymore
24:04i must be something else i mean if i was you know the embryo might have been from my parents
24:12so-called and then but if i was part of the woman who grew in whom i uh was you know grew and everything
24:21surely my head tells me well you know i'm certainly going to inherit something from that woman
24:27something yeah and then there's obviously got to be a bond between the surrogate and and the child
24:32because it's inside her for nine months i would yes terrible bond but it's but on the other hand
24:39in case i don't think it should be done just off the bat but i think if a woman is very frail
24:46sometimes it's okay i i would say all right we'll do that but if you do it because you're a movie star
24:55and you don't want to lose your shape or something i think that's pretty creepy you know yeah that's
25:00pretty creepy you know i've i've had children with south african especially africans women who are very
25:07athletic and the woman's uh you know midriff goes back to the what it was when they were 18 within
25:15three months of course not everybody's like that but um yeah so it's it's it's a moral thing it's a
25:23moral decision to make you know so but the main thing is that a woman can then if she's wealthy
25:30enough i suppose to have a surrogate and create her embryo and all that sort of stuff and choose
25:36whoever she wants to be apparently the fathers from a book or something or pictures i don't know
25:41what they choose from um then um yeah why not i don't see anything wrong with it no interesting well
25:47one of the things i love about hard conversations errol and with the great feedback that uh that we
25:52have to those conversations that we managed to put right the various reports in the media and the
25:57various uh inaccurate reports and i always say if you don't read the newspapers you're ill-informed
26:02if you read them you're misinformed well one of the ones at the moment that's going around is that
26:06you've branded uh elon as a bad father and says he was never there for his mega brood of children
26:11what's the truth no no i was interviewed by uh i don't know i've had this fellow referred to
26:21by people who contacted me from all over the world as a as a grub and a jerk and everything
26:26well you know it's a young bloke he does he hasn't got the experience to ask proper questions
26:32but at any rate he asked me questions and um you know uh the question was why does elon spend so much
26:41time with uh x you know which is also an odd name to your child but nevertheless works so i started
26:50explaining to them that when they first started out they were so occupied and it's still like that
26:57in in america if i visit they they work so much that their hours are so overwhelming that's why americans
27:05are so much better off than the rest of the world i mean even now if i go in the recent months i mean last
27:13year if i go and see my family i can only see them very little because they they leave for work
27:20uh at sparrow you know what we call sparrow they're gone and then and they come back at 10 o'clock at
27:27night and then you think well all right i'll see you on saturday no saturday they go to work too and
27:33then you hope you'll see them on sunday no sunday morning they're at work too so then you see them
27:39very very little and um so when they were first starting out i'm sure you can imagine with elon
27:46having to and kimball having to start a company from in two years that would sell for hundreds of
27:54millions of pounds um uh in cash uh they must have been doing something i mean i imagine they weren't at
28:01the beach you know so they were at work all the time and then they went on to paypal
28:07um elon did and kimball went on to uh um what he was trying to do at the time was
28:14uh it was a wi-fi system of survival where you could follow people on the internet but it was too
28:22early it was too early he was too early on that anyway that's not important the thing is that um
28:29when you're working like that um you you have to be at work all the time you never really see
28:36much of your kids now i i had that a little bit and um their mother may you know she wouldn't she
28:43would have it she insisted that um i should be at home more in fact in may's case elon's mother's case
28:51when i was told i have to join a golf club if i'm going to go anywhere i've got to be a golfing man
28:58to be able to get ahead and meet everybody um may came along and said well i'm also going to join
29:06the ballpoint club go with you i'm not going to not i'm not going to be a golfing widow i've never
29:12heard of that and um so i uh she didn't put up with it but in many cases certainly in the cases that
29:20elon and kibble and elon had going to work and being away all the time uh was was the modus it was
29:27just not possible to to to to to live a normal life yeah and that comes back to what we were talking
29:34about about the professional woman you were talking about too busy to have a child at at the at the time
29:41that she should and waiting until she's older to use a surrogate in an embryo yeah so what i answered was
29:48that um yes as a result of that uh and then of course they got divorced fairly early on uh from
29:55the first wife he as his children have said they never saw him they never saw him and now he's trying
30:03to uh that doesn't mean he wasn't a good day you know i mean when he did see them he would have
30:08pumped them with everything you know that he had but um and they certainly never went short of anything
30:15you know so um um now with the little one he's sort of trying a new approach and then he should spend
30:23as much time as possible sort of over overdoing it a bit but as much time as possible with this one
30:30so that this one can develop the you know uh more confidence i might say i see it with my children
30:37when i when elon and kimball came to stay with me alone i actually gave up my practice so that i could
30:43be an at-home father for them from the age of nine and i took them to school and fetch them school and
30:49back to school and back home and back to school all in one day and i did that for until they left
30:54school i'm quite proud of them that i actually did that and um so it made a big difference for them i
31:01think it made a big difference because there was no mother it was just me and um and so yes he's trying
31:07to do that now with that one and it will have an effect i know that was my seven-year-old son um
31:14he is who he is uh because um he i spend a great deal of time with him you know every time every
31:21chance i get and that's several times a week and um he's now been he's a very big in gamer he's a gamer
31:28now he calls himself a gamer he's only seven he'll be eight in two months but he calls himself a gamer i
31:36bought him the best gaming computer cost me an arm and a leg yeah and he you know and he's even gone
31:42and bought games on my cord and everything and now the chinese company pubg and eda and all that they
31:52want him to come to china you know just to because he's considered such a good gamer oh that's really
32:00good isn't it but but you've always said we've had these great conversations beforehand you got elon
32:04involved at an early age you took him along to meetings to meet important people from around
32:08the world it seems though he's doing that with x now so but just to just to dispel the misinformation
32:15and the wrong reports um is elon a good father uh yes of course he's a good father too good you know
32:25uh the trouble is the time unfortunately you have to put in the time you know it's you can't uh you
32:33can't it's it's you as any father any parent will know you can't do it in a little bit of time a lot
32:40of things in a little bit of time unfortunately as many people might even say it's not what you give
32:46them in the form of material presence or something like that it's you being there with them and you know
32:53saying i love you and i'm sorry if i made a mistake with you and i hope you're doing all right and
32:58and i'm proud of what you've done today and how did it go at sport and what time have we got to be
33:03back at the school and all that kind of stuff yeah it has a lot of uh effect on a job yeah no
33:09you're absolutely right so i would say it's good to dispel that myth you didn't think he was a bad
33:14father you think they just spun it that way you know yeah absolutely but that's what i love about
33:19our conversation and say we can get to the truth of it the other suggestion is that he was responsible
33:25in some way for the death of his first child the tragic death by uh uh suddenly no no what i said was
33:34no i said that he the child uh you know it was a cop death of some kind yes sudden death syndrome
33:44infant death syndrome yes well you know that's just an interpretation but it was a cot death that
33:50was unexplained but um the problem is um that they they were making excessive use of of nannies
34:00you know each child and nanny and all that sort of stuff and um there's no replacement for uh the real
34:07mother being there making sure i i i see with uh the little ones that i've got now how their mother
34:17um won't get them out of her side so even if they go want to go for a night with somebody they've never
34:24done that even though russia who's been invited to china you know she's got to go with of course
34:29the mother um she won't let him out of her side for a while unless it's with me and then it's not
34:36then it's two hours maybe not even two hours she's very hands-on very very hands-on and there's no
34:44replacement for that so you can't um you know somebody um hand uh to nannies they've got their own
34:52lives they see it as a job they're not connected to that child in the same way and i stand by what i'm
34:58saying i mean i was in uh america last year or the year before i think was when oh no just last year
35:06and um i have a daughter whose child was born and and she she has another one who's two years old and
35:13the new one came along and she works a full sort of a full day uh at my daughter and so they hired a
35:20a nanny to work through the night so my daughter could sleep through the night and uh the nanny was
35:29to be paid a lot about 40 pounds an hour which is quite a lot i mean you know for one night it would
35:36have been 250 pounds a night um i quite a lot of i thought yeah a lot and um and yet the first night
35:45that the nanny came there um they discovered my daughter discovered that the nanny did not attend
35:53to the child and um and the second night and third night sort of thing and the nanny said look i'm not
36:01going to get up every time the child's crying or anything i'm not here to do that i've come here to
36:06sleep uh through the night and if the child if you know that's what the nanny's approach was not um i'm
36:15going to sit with this child through the night no no so they immediately dispense with that nanny
36:21because the nanny is not like the mother you know the mother is up and up at the first sign of the
36:29problem you know as you know and um a nanny's a nanny i mean it's not the same you know it's not the same
36:35so and i think and that that's your point because the way that it was spun in the press is that
36:40to say that elon was responsible for the death is is clearly i mean a horrendous accusation yeah
36:46that's ridiculous it's ridiculous to say something like that on the other hand if parents today
36:56go away and leave their kids in the care of others schools kindergartens even if they go away
37:04for long periods and leave the kids remember their parents then they're not going to be treated get
37:09the same level of attention that they would get by their own mother particularly the mother you know
37:16obviously and i think that's sort of why and there are obviously some people who who are dependent on
37:20that in order they can continue earning and so on and so forth but as a general proposition
37:24children are best off with their parents well yes you know i mean i'm thinking here now if a child
37:32does pass away in the care of the mother there's a big investigation you know by social welfare and
37:38everything to see what happened there's a much less investigation if the child's in the care of a
37:44kindergarten or a or a nanny or something because the same level of care is not expected as it is expected
37:54from a mother so um you know any mother whose child you know something happened to the child in her care
38:02uh it battles for the rest of her life yeah to to to deal with that it's it's it's horrendous
38:10two months yeah no the the devastation on the parents and you as as as the grandfather must have felt awful
38:17as well oh yes i mean at the time it was two weeks of serious grief because we were all together you
38:24know nobody had a smile on their face for two weeks um it was terrible and um you know what can you say
38:32what can you do i mean you know uh it's life i mean that's like it's not the only one i mean you're
38:38trying to fit in you know make it and understand it as part of life you know yeah no well errol a
38:44pleasure to catch up as always i'm glad we could put uh the correct things into perspective and get
38:50dispel the misinformation disinformation that's been done uh but for now errol mosk thank you very much
38:54much for joining me thanks