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The Jeremy Kyle Show 1st June 2014

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00:00today's show Blaine your cousin you suspect three years ago stole your
00:05sister Joanne's bank card. Me and him was really really close. I basically defended you
00:11Matt when I was moving we're boxting. When I f***ed. Watch your mouth watch your dirty looking mouth.
00:18You sat here in front of our ears trying to mug me off trying to make me look like a d***. I'm not gonna sit here and let Nani just mug me off.
00:23What do you think I am from here? What do you know what I'm sorry? My fault you sat car.
00:26Do you? Do you know what you f***ed? Here's the lock! Here's the lock!
00:30How's that gonna help? This isn't a photo fit.
00:39How many weeks ago did this mystery woman contact you?
00:42It was about eight to twelve weeks ago, two to three months ago.
00:45I thought she was just staring it but there's parts of her story that sort of maybe add up.
00:50I slept with a girl once here in a park yeah? Didn't go back to my house. No no you can laugh.
00:55No no you can laugh all you want yeah?
00:57Since the start of the relationship with Rochelle apart from the one person you've admitted to
01:01have you had sexual contact with anyone else she said no. Why did you say no?
01:04To tell the truth.
01:05Thank you my friends good morning and as ever a big big welcome to the show now my first guest today Lisa says that three years ago her family was torn apart when her sister's bank card was stolen.
01:21Now over 300 pounds of Lisa's nephew's savings were stolen and she says she is heartbroken because the only suspect is a cousin Blaine.
01:28Now despite describing him like a brother to her Lisa says her and Blaine haven't spoken since the money was stolen and says if today he fails the lie detector this entire family will disown this young man for good.
01:41She says she's absolutely sure Lisa first on the Jeremy Kyle show.
01:56Very simple yeah Blaine your cousin you suspect three years ago stole your sister Joanne's bank card and 300 pounds was taken money.
02:17340.
02:19340.
02:20Right.
02:21I have a really simple question for you.
02:23Yeah.
02:24Why on earth has it taken you and your family three years to be sat here to do a lie detector when this has torn your family apart and we've been here since whenever?
02:332005.
02:34Serious question.
02:35My sister doesn't need a lie detector to say she already knows she's 100% sure that he has already taken it.
02:40We'll go back and we'll describe the date but if that's the truth if Joanne your sister is absolutely definitively in her mind sorted
02:46why didn't you take that information to the police and why wasn't this young man arrested?
02:49He was.
02:50He was.
02:51He was.
02:52He was took to the police.
02:53What happened?
02:54They went down to the shop where more money was withdrawn.
02:55They went to that shop to check the CCTV but the manager wasn't available at the time so I guess apparently they need a PIN number to get this in the day.
03:02In essence what you're saying is there was not enough evidence in the case was drawn?
03:04Yeah there wasn't enough evidence yeah.
03:05Okay.
03:06But she's convinced.
03:07But the police did say to Joanne the boy who withdrawed the money does match the description.
03:12But what I'm saying is this why now for you if she's sure if you and the family are all at loggerheads with Blaine why now three years later?
03:21Because of what a relationship again with my cousin it's torn this it's me and him was really really close.
03:27And I had to straight away cut him out straight away from my sister to cut him out get rid of him that was that was it.
03:33I couldn't couldn't have him around anymore.
03:35He was there.
03:36So you're hoping that he's innocent.
03:37I'm yeah yeah because I'm because he was when I was having relationship breaks down it was the one that was sleeping on my sofa so.
03:43Let's talk about.
03:44It was hard.
03:45Let's talk about the crime.
03:46Let's talk about what happened.
03:48It was a big carnival.
03:49I know that money was for her to take her kids there.
03:52It was for the nephew's birthday as well which was the month after so money was being taken aside for that and taken aside for the carnival.
03:58But interestingly then this young man pitches up at the carnival he'd had no money before that was almost rubbing everybody's nose in it.
04:04Can I just talk about the day?
04:06The card went missing from where?
04:08Out of a bag in the kitchen.
04:10So Blaine and somebody else?
04:12It was in the kitchen when the card was in the bag.
04:17So when they'd left she'd not even she wouldn't even think it's a family it's her own home you're supposed to feel safe.
04:23You can put it wet.
04:24She could have put it in the middle of the floor it doesn't matter.
04:27It was in her home.
04:28It went missing.
04:29From there she tried to look for it.
04:31I think she had a little look for it at the night time.
04:34Couldn't see it but she would never have thought someone had stolen it.
04:37Why him then?
04:38It was only the next day.
04:39Why him?
04:40Well because there was only two people in there.
04:41He ran.
04:42Has he got form?
04:43Has he done anything like this before?
04:44He's been suspected of it but that's just people jumping on bandwagon.
04:47I'm not going to say that he's done it before to them.
04:50But isn't it true to say that you've had stuff stolen before and you suspected it was Blaine?
04:53Yeah.
04:54I've got a statement from Jo your sister Blaine's cousin.
04:58It was her bank card that was stolen.
04:59She says I'm 100% sure that Blaine took my bank card and withdrew money.
05:02I was told he was seen with a card and was bragging about having some money.
05:05He is a known thief and has even been suspected of stealing from Lisa Yu in the past.
05:09My partner has never owed Blaine money.
05:11He works hard for his wages and I am furious that Blaine has accused us of setting him up.
05:15I haven't spoken to Blaine since my bank card was taken.
05:18As far as I'm concerned, he's not part of my family.
05:20But you, who haven't seen this young man for three years,
05:23you say that you are absolutely desperate for the lie detector today
05:26to prove that he didn't do this because you want to put this family back on track.
05:29I don't know, and it's not for my sisters.
05:31Like, she needs, and she, she, even though she knows,
05:34she can't know 100% herself.
05:36She can't, I mean, don't you just say she was me?
05:38Do you think he's innocent or guilty?
05:41Don't know.
05:43But you hope that he's innocent?
05:45Yeah, but then I feel guilty on my sister.
05:47Let's, um, let's get him out to put his side to this story.
05:5022-year-old Blaine, you hadn't seen him until you spoke to him two days ago for three years.
05:53Blaine's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
06:01How have I robbed off you before?
06:03Wait, sit down.
06:05No, obviously you're chatting about me saying I've robbed off you before.
06:09Listen.
06:11What if I took off you?
06:12You was on the phone to me.
06:13Ellie's bankroll.
06:14Ellie's bankroll.
06:15Ellie's bankroll.
06:16No, I didn't.
06:17I said I sent you shop.
06:18I said I sent you shop.
06:19Sit down.
06:20Hi Jeremy.
06:21Listen, right, I sent you shop.
06:22Yes, I did.
06:23Did I used to not send you to the bank?
06:24Yeah.
06:25I used to send you to the shop to pick up stuff.
06:26You used to send me to your bank card nothing.
06:27Did any money ever go taken out of your bank?
06:28Did I take my mind and say money went out of the bank?
06:29No, I didn't.
06:30Exactly, I didn't.
06:31I was moving out.
06:32So listen, I've sat here, I've just come here now,
06:33I've hardly said anything bad about you, right?
06:35You've just been painting a bad bit for me.
06:36No, I didn't.
06:37No, I didn't.
06:38People are saying that you're a thief.
06:39What did I say?
06:40What did I say?
06:41I don't know if that's true.
06:43I don't know if that's true.
06:44They know that's true.
06:45They think that you stole it.
06:46So what shall I say?
06:47Shall I turn around and say to Jeremy then?
06:49Oh yeah, he is a thief.
06:50He is a thief.
06:51Everyone's calling him a thief.
06:52So he's a thief.
06:53No, I didn't.
06:54I turned around.
06:55I said I was a thief.
06:56Shut up.
06:57I turned around and I said that is what people are saying.
06:58That is what all the people are saying.
07:00I've basically defended you.
07:02How have you defended me?
07:03How have you defended me?
07:04You just said I've rubbed off you.
07:05When I...
07:06Watch your mouth.
07:07Watch your dirty little mouth.
07:09Listen, shush, shush, shush.
07:11Obviously not.
07:12Yeah, you're sat here in front of all these
07:13trying to mug me off,
07:14trying to make me look like a d**k.
07:15I'm not going to sit here and let none of you
07:16mug me off.
07:17What do you think?
07:18I am some d**k.
07:19You don't need to swear,
07:20because I read...
07:21You don't need to swear,
07:22because I think...
07:23No, no, you said quite a lot.
07:24There are always two sides to every story.
07:26I haven't made my point about why is it three years.
07:29One thing the audience need to know here and at home
07:31is that when the accusation was made,
07:34the police didn't have to find you, did they?
07:37No.
07:38Because I'm talking now.
07:39This man took himself to the police
07:42for investigation.
07:44Exactly.
07:45And there was no evidence.
07:46No, the charges got dropped.
07:47What's it been like, despite that,
07:49to have your family for the best part of three years
07:52cut you off, ostracise you?
07:54Obviously it's been heartbreaking.
07:56Sorry.
07:57Disgusting and everything.
07:58Obviously, I don't really want nothing to do with them.
08:01Then where did you get the money to go to the carnival from,
08:03young man?
08:04Why?
08:05Because obviously...
08:06I'm asking, be quiet, go on.
08:07Just got a new property of my own.
08:08Obviously, I was on benefits myself.
08:10Obviously, back then he was doing loans and that.
08:12I got put in for loans.
08:14I got one loan of six something,
08:15and another loan for three something.
08:17What about the fact you were seen at the cash point?
08:19What cash point?
08:20You just said there was no evidence.
08:21There's evidence, and where is it?
08:23No, they didn't have the CCTV.
08:25Did you nick the money?
08:26Right, I'm not being funny.
08:27Look at me, did you nick the money?
08:28No, I did not.
08:29And every single cash machine is a camera pointing right at you.
08:31Did you nick the money?
08:32No, I did not.
08:33Why didn't you come here three years ago and clear your name then?
08:35Why did I?
08:36No, no.
08:37Not because of me or because of this show, but if you...
08:40I'm not being funny, yeah?
08:41Why are you here now then?
08:42Obviously, I'm not being funny.
08:43He was coming round to my house, turning up at my work and stuff,
08:46trying to intimidate me.
08:47I was going to leave the country to go and live with my other cousin,
08:50which is Lisa's sister.
08:52What about your relationship with Lisa?
08:53You used to be really close to Lisa.
08:54Obviously, we was like brother and sister at one point,
08:56but then obviously, as soon as this happened,
08:58it just distanced.
08:59The whole family split up.
09:00My mum and everything.
09:01It's...
09:02It just made it...
09:03It just fell apart.
09:04Her sister says that she knows it's you.
09:06Well, if they know it's me, then why didn't the police know it was me?
09:09Was it you?
09:10No, it wasn't.
09:11Do you know who took it?
09:13No.
09:14If I knew who took it, then I'd happily say it, wouldn't I?
09:16Well, it would come out anyway.
09:17I'd be really interested to know what the audience think.
09:18Look me in the eyes.
09:19Did you steal that money?
09:20No.
09:21How many people think you nick that money?
09:22Put your hand in the air.
09:25Three people.
09:26Quite interesting you haven't looked at her yet.
09:28Because I don't really want her.
09:30Lie detector after this break, which will say whether this man three years ago nicked 300 quid off your sister.
09:37You two were close.
09:38Since then, cut off from the family.
09:40Three years too late, but the truth is next.
09:42We're right back.
09:43Don't go anywhere.
09:44We asked your cousin Blaine to steal Joanne's missing bank card three years ago.
09:48You said no.
09:49Why'd you say no?
09:50Close line of truth.
09:56You need to prove your innocence with a lie detector.
09:59If you're 18 or over and you want to be considered for the show, text the word TALK TODAY plus your name to 63334.
10:06Text costs 25 pence plus one standard rate message.
10:08You can call my team today.
10:09It's 09011.
10:11It's 123456.
10:13Course costs 25 pence plus your network access charge.
10:16Or email talk at ITV.com to get in touch with one of my team.
10:20Thank you very much indeed.
10:30Welcome back.
10:31Before the break, talking to Lisa and Blaine.
10:33The accusation.
10:34Lisa says that three years ago her sister Joanne's bank card was stolen.
10:37340-something pounds was removed.
10:40She, Joanne, via the statement, absolutely believes that it's Blaine.
10:45Blaine was there in the house.
10:46Lisa says, I had to side with my family.
10:48We've cut him off, but there's a part of me that hopes that young Blaine is not to blame.
10:52I didn't really think I'd say that.
10:53Your brothers is as well.
10:54Luke, you're in the audience.
10:56What's your view on this quickly, friend?
10:58I don't really want to say anything on TV.
11:01You just did.
11:02Yeah, but...
11:03I want to explain something to you.
11:04If you didn't want to be on TV, you shouldn't be in the audience.
11:06You here to protect your brother or defend him.
11:08Yeah, I know, but obviously I'm okay with Lisa and I'm okay with Joanne and her partner.
11:12So if I say anything...
11:13Think your brother nicked the money?
11:14What?
11:15No, I don't believe he nicked the money.
11:16You know what I mean?
11:17Did you nicked the money?
11:18No, I didn't.
11:19It's interesting.
11:20I absolutely know the answer.
11:21Can you give me those results, please?
11:22Your sister is 100% sure.
11:23What about you?
11:24Give me a percentage.
11:2580%.
11:2680%.
11:27Only three people in this audience.
11:28Three out of 150.
11:30You also suggested that he'd stolen from you in the past.
11:33She's getting quite emotional.
11:34Why are you getting emotional?
11:35Can I tell you why I thought that it was that?
11:37Because my baby's bangle was in the house at the time and I used to always put it underneath
11:41the Moses basket when they didn't have it on.
11:43But we was moving and I never wanted to accuse him because if he took my baby's bangles that
11:48is sick.
11:49So I never wanted to know.
11:50We asked your cousin Blaine to steal Joanne's missing a bank card three years ago.
11:54You said no.
11:55Why did you say no?
11:56Because I was signing to you.
11:57Test says you're a liar.
11:58Oh!
11:59Do I blame you in the way for it before?
12:00I'll smash you in your mouth!
12:01Oh!
12:02Oh!
12:03Don't.
12:04Did he take it?
12:05Did he take it?
12:06What?
12:07He didn't, mate.
12:08Do you know what?
12:09He wouldn't stop it.
12:10Then we asked did you use Joanne's missing bank cards.
12:12You said no.
12:13This test says you lied on both questions.
12:15Don't!
12:16You idiot.
12:17Telling you.
12:19Telling you.
12:20Well, do you know what?
12:21It's all right.
12:22It's all right.
12:23Do you know what?
12:24It's the lock!
12:25It's the lock!
12:26It's the lock!
12:27Come on, mate.
12:28What do you say now?
12:29Yeah, come on.
12:30What do you say now?
12:31No, he didn't know.
12:32He didn't know.
12:33He didn't know.
12:34Scott Walter, do you hear me?
12:35Why are you walking off the stage giving it the big I am then?
12:38No!
12:39Where is he?
12:40Come on, mate.
12:41Oh, sister!
12:42Let's throw off me sister!
12:44I know, but you don't do that because that's no better than what he did, is it?
12:49Come on.
12:50God alive.
12:51Where are we going?
12:52Wow!
12:53What a fish!
12:54Hang in!
12:55Hang in!
12:56Hang in!
12:57Hang in!
12:58You stole it, didn't you?
13:00No.
13:01Yes, you did, mate.
13:02Come on.
13:03Why are you coming, mate?
13:04And if you don't want anything to do with it, don't bloody give lash to me.
13:07Why did you fail the test?
13:08Why did you fail the test?
13:09Why did you fail the test?
13:10Why did I fail the test?
13:11Why did you come then?
13:12Why did I come?
13:13Because obviously I was 100 guaranteed percent sure that I did not take it.
13:15Why did you fail the test then?
13:16Why did you fail the test then?
13:17You didn't feel it!
13:18Stupid donkey!
13:19You didn't feel it!
13:20How did that feel it?
13:21Look, did you steal Johan's bank card?
13:22Answer?
13:23No!
13:24Did you use Johan's bank card?
13:26Answer?
13:27No!
13:28No!
13:29No!
13:30No!
13:31No!
13:32Sorry, are you just trying to tell me I don't know how to read a ca-
13:38Sorry, what?
13:39That's the best thing I've ever heard in a very emotional moment.
13:46You talk.
13:47And talk.
13:48I can't!
13:49Where are you going?
13:50You can't just run away, pal.
13:51This has gone on for three years.
13:52Come here and tell me what happened.
13:54Why are you taking that off?
13:56Because then that smacks of guilt.
13:58Well, because I'm not going to stand there and listen to all of you.
14:01Tell the truth.
14:02I've told you the truth and obviously not one of you is going to leave it.
14:05Why come then, Blaine?
14:06Why?
14:07I've just told you why I've come up and not.
14:08Why come?
14:09Why come?
14:10I've said to you, everyone only thinks you're the thief.
14:13Everyone's going to know you're the thief.
14:15You don't have to do this.
14:17You think I would have come here if I knew he was going to come like that?
14:19Why don't the agent come like that?
14:21Why don't the agent come like that?
14:22You are fucking lucky.
14:23Trust me.
14:24Stop making threats.
14:25No, that's not fair.
14:26You've got to answer it, mate.
14:27You can't keep writing.
14:28I'm writing too.
14:29Well, then tell the truth.
14:30I'm telling the truth, obviously.
14:31I've come here and...
14:32Look at...
14:33What?
14:34How's that going to help?
14:35This isn't a photo fit.
14:36Listen.
14:37You were seen, weren't you?
14:38Seen where?
14:39What was the money?
14:40What was the money for?
14:41What was the money for?
14:42What was the evidence?
14:43Who took the card?
14:44What was the money for?
14:45What was the money for?
14:46No, no, no.
14:47No, no, no, no.
14:48We know.
14:49We know.
14:50That's not my fault.
14:51Do you know what I think?
14:52I think, honestly, seriously, you're better off just going, yeah, I was in a bad way and
15:03this is what I did it for.
15:04But...
15:05I'm not going to admit it.
15:06Then why did you fail the test then?
15:07You tell me.
15:08Do you know why?
15:09Because you were lying.
15:10What is this?
15:11Did you steal the card?
15:12No, I did not.
15:13So it was solely you then?
15:14So you better tell the truth then, aren't you?
15:15So was it only you?
15:16Tell us the truth.
15:17You've got who, Blaine?
15:18You're going to have to.
15:19It's all out.
15:20Blaine, have you given a...
15:21Have you given a...
15:22About me?
15:23About this family?
15:24Please?
15:25Obviously, I give a...
15:26Why are you doing...
15:27Tell me the...
15:28Tell me the truth, please.
15:29Would you give me a favour?
15:31What was the point?
15:32Oi, look at me.
15:33No.
15:34Look at me.
15:35Shush!
15:36No.
15:37Look at me.
15:38You came because you want to take it off yourself.
15:39You want to take it all off yourself.
15:40And you know what?
15:41I guarantee you was probably even going to tell us
15:43that somebody else was involved.
15:45But now it's all come on you.
15:46Can you do me a favour?
15:47You are droning on now.
15:48I am trying to get my mouth in here.
15:50I know.
15:51Well, just be...
15:52No, sorry for the people that come on here now.
15:54He's had it straight away, done it.
15:56I've listened to you.
15:57I'm trying to get the truth from him.
15:59A second.
16:00Are they right?
16:01About what?
16:02Seriously, listen.
16:04You're taking the rap for somebody else.
16:07No.
16:08Because right now, right?
16:10The only thing that matters is doing this in the right way.
16:14Of course, she's upset.
16:15She's emotional.
16:16That's her sister.
16:17Her sister was 100% sure.
16:19Look at me.
16:20Right, but obviously all the **** is coming out my face, so obviously.
16:23Yeah, it doesn't matter.
16:24All right, listen to me.
16:25Will you sit with Graham backstage and tell the truth?
16:29I'm telling the truth now.
16:31Off camera.
16:32I'll speak to him, yeah.
16:35You know what happened, don't you?
16:38Something happened, didn't it?
16:39Obviously something happened.
16:40Right, that's enough.
16:41Listen to me.
16:42You can do that off.
16:43Right, okay.
16:44You can do this off camera with Graham, okay?
16:46What I was trying to achieve, sweetheart, right, was this.
16:50A calm, off camera talk.
16:53That's why I said what I said, all right?
16:54Sorry.
16:55No, I understand the anger.
16:56I understand the shouting and the scream, but we're just going to go around the circles.
16:58My nephews didn't go to that carnival that day.
17:01One, they didn't go to the carnival.
17:03A bunch of teams.
17:04I had my own money for the carnival.
17:05He's going to, he's going to.
17:06Listen, he's agreed to sit with Graham.
17:08I had my own money for the carnival.
17:09We will do it.
17:10We will do it.
17:11I'm just.
17:12I had letters to prove it.
17:13I even brought them here.
17:14What's money for then?
17:15So why be a **** on?
17:16Obviously not.
17:17I had two different loans.
17:18Still, I wasn't enough.
17:19Is that what you used the money for, to pay it back?
17:21Wait.
17:22What money?
17:23The loan.
17:24That came out of my benefits, didn't it?
17:27Obviously, I was claiming.
17:28Graham, I want you to take this over.
17:29I want you to calm this down.
17:30I want you to try and get the truth.
17:31He doesn't want to do it anymore on camera.
17:32I understand that.
17:33Steve, thank you.
17:34Listen, I wasn't trying to get rid of it.
17:36I totally, I totally, listen, I totally get it.
17:40I think we've got more chance of getting an admission and moving this forward
17:44and moving away from threats and accusations if we stop screaming.
17:48Graham will do that, all right?
17:49I'm sorry.
17:50I know it wasn't what you wanted to hear, but that's what the truth is.
17:53We'll leave Graham to sort this out.
17:55The truth, okay?
17:56Right now, right now, rock bottom.
17:58Only way is up.
17:59Give them a round of applause.
18:00Graham, it's all yours.
18:01Good luck to them.
18:08We'll spend time and we will try and get it right.
18:11We'll keep you updated.
18:12Graham is with them now.
18:13Right, my next guest today, Rochelle, is here to discover if her fiancé has been unfaithful.
18:16Now, Rochelle, who is 32 weeks pregnant, says that her world was turned upside down recently
18:21when another woman contacted her out of the blue and said,
18:23I've been sleeping with your man.
18:25Now, she has been left wondering if fiancé Jay was having an affair whilst they were trying for a baby.
18:30She tells us, despite the fact I'm 32 weeks pregnant,
18:33today is about make or break for this relationship.
18:35She's next on.
18:36Rochelle, ladies and gentlemen.
18:47All good.
18:48Together a year, engaged nine months, 32 weeks pregnant.
18:52You've both been very honest about the beginning before you got serious.
18:55That's out the way.
18:56How many weeks ago did this mystery woman contact you?
18:59It was about eight to twelve weeks ago, two to three months ago.
19:02So, you're pregnant already.
19:03What happened?
19:04You know I'm, like, technically useless.
19:05What happens?
19:06Facebook, which I know you love, yep.
19:08I had a message on Facebook.
19:10Out of the blue?
19:11Yeah, out of the blue.
19:12Basically, just saying that she'd been in contact with him the whole time,
19:15during the beginning of our relationship until November,
19:18and that they'd slept together in November, which was...
19:21So, she was implying that it was an affair?
19:23Yeah, sort of, yeah.
19:24Had you ever...
19:25We can't obviously be specific, but had you heard of this woman?
19:27Did you know who she was?
19:28Yeah, I knew who she was, yeah.
19:29Okay, did you believe her instantly, or did you think,
19:30I'm just stirring it?
19:31I thought she was just stirring it, but there's parts of her story
19:34that sort of maybe add up, but I don't know.
19:39I can't really work it out.
19:40I can't work out who's lying, because I don't know her personally.
19:42I don't know.
19:43What's your relationship like with him?
19:44What was it like?
19:45It was brilliant.
19:46It was really, really good, until this has happened,
19:50and then now we both just don't really trust each other.
19:53It's any argument we have, we both bring things up.
19:56It's just hard.
19:57Being pregnant as well, obviously, I'm quite emotional as it is.
19:59Didn't you play a bit of a trick?
20:00Sorry, again, not very good.
20:02Didn't you get him to reply to her on Facebook?
20:04Yeah, he replied.
20:05Saying what?
20:06Saying that she was lying, and her reply was,
20:11we both know who the liar is.
20:13So the accusation is that although you both messed around
20:16at the beginning, which you're honest about,
20:18something deeper happened in terms of him,
20:20possibly an affair, this woman.
20:22Do you ever stop in that situation and think,
20:24that's just another woman who wants him,
20:25and is jealous of the fact that we're happy, engaged,
20:27going to have a baby, and she's just stirring the mess?
20:30Yeah, I do.
20:31A big part of me does believe that that is what it is,
20:34but obviously the doubts are there now,
20:37so it's hard to get over.
20:39But then, of course, like a typical man,
20:40when cornered or when he has the hump,
20:43two weeks ago he had another Barney,
20:45and he said to you, I've slept with somebody else.
20:47Yeah, he said I was with someone else last night.
20:49Why would you do that?
20:50I don't know.
20:51I don't know.
20:52And then he retracted that,
20:53and that makes your mind go everywhere,
20:54because your hormones and everything,
20:55and you are 32 weeks pregnant.
20:57And when I ask this question, people go,
20:59why is he asking that?
21:00I never want people to say I'm done.
21:02We can sit and talk.
21:03The last story proved that.
21:04What happens if he's failing?
21:06I can't.
21:07I wouldn't be able to get over it.
21:09I know that I can't.
21:10I'm the sort of person that I hold a grudge too much,
21:12so I'd be done.
21:13Answer me this question, though,
21:14that I find really, really interesting.
21:15He's here to do a lie detector test,
21:17because some woman out the blue contacted you to say,
21:19he's been having an affair with me.
21:21You're sat on my show about to discover
21:23whether your relationship's going to work
21:24or you're going to end up as a single mum.
21:26Why doesn't he believe the baby's his, darling?
21:28He wants a DNA test.
21:29Because I slept with someone else
21:31about two weeks into the relationship.
21:33There's a bit of a crossover,
21:34and he's saying that maybe...
21:35And so did he?
21:36Yeah, so he's saying that he's not sure
21:38whether that went on for longer.
21:39Or is that just tit for tat?
21:41I don't know.
21:42Is he the father?
21:43Yeah, he's 100% the father.
21:45100 million percent.
21:46There's no way I wouldn't do that to my baby.
21:49Do you think he's going to pass?
21:50I hope so.
21:51I'm 50-50.
21:52So do I.
21:53I like happy endings.
21:54Jay's on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
21:55That way, give him a round of applause.
21:56APPLAUSE
22:09Both of you came clean
22:10having cheated at the beginning of the relationship.
22:12Actually, interestingly, from that moment,
22:13maybe there was insecurity.
22:14Certainly, you told my team,
22:16I don't know if the baby's mine.
22:18Now, interestingly, that came out after this woman.
22:21This woman we can't name, but is known to you.
22:24She's known to me.
22:25It was three weeks into my relationship.
22:27We weren't really that serious.
22:29Do you know what I mean?
22:30It wasn't exclusive.
22:31It weren't serious, like, you know what I mean?
22:34And I went off, and I met...
22:37And whatever happened, happened.
22:40But as it was happening, I realised I made a mistake.
22:42How many times did you sleep with her?
22:43Just once.
22:44And what did that do?
22:45That major accident she got a chance to not have the...
22:47Let me explain my side, yeah?
22:49And basically, when it was happening, I realised,
22:51before we even finished, I realised I was doing something wrong.
22:54And I knew I loved Rochelle too much.
22:56So I stopped straight away and I left.
22:57And then, a little while later,
23:00she tells me that she cheated for two weeks,
23:04twice in two weeks,
23:06and then we both come clean to each other.
23:08But she's, like, constantly living in fear of each other.
23:11Why are you telling my team, then,
23:12you don't believe anything she says,
23:13cos she lies the whole time?
23:14She does lie a lot.
23:15Do you?
23:16She does lie a lot.
23:17She lies about silly things.
23:18Silly things, why would you lie about a silly thing?
23:19And then once you lie about a silly thing...
23:21Well, you ask her, don't look at me.
23:23You say one thing,
23:24you say another thing two weeks later,
23:26and I go to myself,
23:27well, why did you say that?
23:28She's a woman.
23:29She's pregnant.
23:30She's a woman.
23:31And she's pregnant.
23:32She's pregnant, yeah,
23:33so her hormones all over the gaff.
23:34Yeah, but...
23:35I say things to say for hours.
23:36Actually, three weeks into a relationship.
23:38And she cheated four weeks into the relationship.
23:40No, two weeks.
23:41But, I mean, you've both done wrong.
23:42We're not talking about that.
23:43So we both banged our heads together.
23:44You told my team,
23:45I've wanted nothing more than a kid with Rochelle,
23:47I can't wait for it, this is my life.
23:49I can't wait.
23:50Listen, I've never had no family to love me, yeah?
23:52Never.
23:53And when she got pregnant,
23:54I thought, you know what?
23:55She's got three kids,
23:56and I love them with all my heart.
23:57I would do anything for them.
23:59Then why are you sitting on stage saying
24:00you don't think it's yours, you donut?
24:02Well, because I've got my doubts during me,
24:04because I didn't feel like I could have kids, yeah?
24:06I've never went and got tested and all that,
24:07what you say, she's going to get tested.
24:08I've never done all that.
24:09I was with someone before and before that,
24:11and I tried,
24:12and it never happened, bruv.
24:13It never happened, yeah?
24:14So, for her to just get pregnant, yeah?
24:17Yeah?
24:18And then she told me two weeks in she was cheating,
24:20so then that made me think,
24:21then when she was slipping off to see this geezer,
24:24yeah?
24:25When I was at...
24:26You love her, don't you?
24:27Yeah, I love her more than anything in this world.
24:29I'll pass the lie detector.
24:30I'll pass it one million percent.
24:31If you don't...
24:32I'll pass it one million percent.
24:34Is he right?
24:35Is he wrong?
24:36Next with the results.
24:37We're right back.
24:38No, no.
24:39You listen to me for a second, yeah?
24:40I have listened to you.
24:41I told her,
24:42when it all come out first of all,
24:43I told her to ring this show, yeah?
24:46Why didn't you do it a year ago?
24:48No, no.
24:49Because I told her,
24:50I said I will ring the show and she told me she...
24:52No, no, no, no.
25:22..at itv.com to get in touch with one of my team.
25:35Thank you, my friends.
25:36Welcome back.
25:37Before the break, Rochelle and Jay.
25:38Been together a year, engaged nine months.
25:40She is 32 weeks pregnant.
25:42Give me those results, please, Bex.
25:44You both at the beginning messed around.
25:47Another you were with has made an accusation via Facebook,
25:51throwing the relationship into turmoil.
25:52You said before the break a million percent you'll pass.
25:55Read them questions.
25:56What are you going to do if he fails?
25:58We're finished.
26:04Since the start of the relationship with Rochelle,
26:06apart from the one person you've admitted to,
26:08have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
26:10She said no.
26:11Why'd you say no?
26:12Let's turn the truth.
26:13Tess says you're a liar.
26:14No way, no way, no way, no way in a million percent.
26:17I have not slept with no one.
26:18Apart from the person you've admitted to,
26:19have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
26:21That means it's not just her, buddy.
26:22Yeah.
26:23Since the start of your relationship with Rochelle,
26:25have you had sexual contact with the woman in question
26:27on more than one occasion?
26:28You said no.
26:29This test says you were lying.
26:30No way.
26:31That's not true.
26:32That's not true.
26:33Just read them out.
26:34Well, I'm telling you now, for 100 million percent, yeah,
26:36I went in a family more than ever, yeah?
26:38That's chatting .
26:39Sorry, my language, but that's wrong.
26:40That's wrong.
26:41Piece of card doesn't chat.
26:42No, no, listen to what I'm saying, Jeremy, yeah?
26:44I've never, I've never had my own time.
26:45Since the start of your relationship with Rochelle,
26:46have you had sexual intercourse with the woman in question
26:48on more than one occasion?
26:49You said no.
26:50This test says you lied on every single question.
26:52No, that's not true.
26:53Okay, all right.
26:54That's not true.
26:55That's not true.
26:56That's not true.
26:57Something happened, didn't it?
27:00Are you crazy?
27:01I just, I just, I, yeah, you must be crazy
27:03because I just told you that that never happened, nah.
27:05Look, I've just spent 10 minutes on my knees in front of you
27:08believing everything you've said.
27:09I'm not having a go at you.
27:11I'm not having a go at me, but what I'm trying to say,
27:13yeah, right, is I've never, I've never thought I could have
27:16a family or anything.
27:17I met this girl.
27:18Look at me.
27:19Look at me.
27:20I met this girl.
27:21Look at Rochelle.
27:22She has looked throughout this entire thing.
27:24What do you mean, nah?
27:25What do you mean, nah?
27:26I've not lied.
27:27This, this is wrong.
27:28This is wrong.
27:29How is it wrong?
27:30This, mate, I've not been with no one.
27:32I only read them out, don't have a go at me, Rochelle.
27:33Yeah, I know you, I'm not having a go at you, Rochelle.
27:34Rochelle.
27:35I'm telling you, you think I would have mugged myself off
27:36on national television.
27:37I believe, I, I believe that this woman, right?
27:41When did you tell her you had sex with this other woman
27:43at the beginning of the relationship?
27:45How long ago?
27:46Right, when all the paranoia started happening.
27:48Isn't it true you only told her about it eight weeks ago
27:50when this woman came out the woodwork?
27:51True or false?
27:53No, that's, I, I will tell you my side of things.
27:56When did you tell her you'd had sex?
27:57I told her, I told her when, she, I said apply for the
28:00Jeremy Cole show, she said she didn't want to come on here.
28:02No, no, no.
28:03You told me, listen to me a sec, very calmly, you told me,
28:06Jez, I've got it on camera.
28:08At the beginning we both messed around.
28:10Yeah.
28:11When we just, and I was having sex and I realised it was wrong
28:14and we went home, we banged our heads together,
28:16that was your words.
28:17Yeah, yeah.
28:18And we resolved to have a life she got pregnant.
28:19Yeah.
28:20Isn't the truth, my friend, that it was only eight weeks ago
28:23when this woman came out the woodwork that you admitted to Rochelle
28:26you'd had sex with, isn't that right?
28:28Yeah.
28:29Why didn't you do it a year ago?
28:30Because that's what you implied.
28:31Wait, wait, wait.
28:32Wait a minute, Jeremy.
28:33No, wait a minute.
28:34Wait a minute.
28:35No, no, wait a minute.
28:36I'm telling you, wait a minute.
28:37When did she tell you?
28:38No, no, no, you listen to me for a second.
28:39I have listened to you.
28:40I told her, I told her, when it all come out first of all,
28:42I told her to ring the, ring this show, yeah?
28:45Why didn't you do it a year ago before you made her pregnant?
28:46No, no.
28:47Because I told her, I will ring the show and she told me she's not coming on it.
28:52So I said to her, when you're good and ready, this went on for a long time,
28:55I said, when you're good and ready, you ring the show.
28:58When did you tell him very calmly?
28:59The same time.
29:00The same time.
29:01The same time.
29:02So you kept it from each other.
29:03So you kept it from each other.
29:04I told her to ring the show and she wouldn't do it, she wouldn't come on here
29:07because she didn't want to embarrass herself.
29:08Can I ask you a question?
29:09Did you cheat with anybody other than that one person?
29:10No.
29:11Why didn't you tell him?
29:12Why did you keep it from him?
29:14That's my issue, right?
29:17And Jay, I'm not having a go.
29:19This is not true, bruv.
29:20This is not true.
29:21I'll take it again.
29:22Retake me now.
29:23You only told each other eight weeks to go.
29:25I stand by the results, mate.
29:26You can stand by them results, but I know I'm not standing by them results, yeah?
29:29Listen, I'm not one of them little druggies what you have on here, mate,
29:33trying to lie their way out of things, mate, yeah?
29:36I'm a real person, yeah?
29:38That is wrong, mate.
29:39That is wrong.
29:40How can I allow them questions?
29:41Why would I pay for another test?
29:43I slept with a girl once.
29:44I slept with a girl once, yeah?
29:45In a park, yeah?
29:46Didn't go back to my house.
29:47No, no, you can laugh all you want, yeah?
29:50I went back to a park, yeah?
29:52Realised what I was doing.
29:53Left there, went straight back to my innit, yeah?
29:54The facts are...
29:55The facts are...
29:56You're talking now and you've talked a good fight.
29:57I'm just going to put the facts, I'm not shouting, I'm not screaming.
30:00The facts are the two of you were together a year, right?
30:03Hear me out.
30:04It was only eight weeks ago, you're both responsible for this, when she came out the woodwork.
30:09And let me tell you, when I was talking to you, I thought this is just a typical story
30:13of a jealous, bitter ex who doesn't like the fact that you're about to have the baby.
30:16You're right, but it was only eight weeks ago that you both sat down and suddenly, you
30:20know, the light came on and you both went, oh, by the way, at the beginning, we had sex.
30:23That's when we were supposed to be coming on here, so we both admitted to each other.
30:26Listen, listen, this is what I'm saying.
30:28If I was to do all these mad things, yeah?
30:30If the woman had not come out of the woodwork, if the woman had not come out of the woodwork,
30:35would you have told each other about what happened?
30:38Yes or no?
30:39No, no.
30:40No.
30:41She wouldn't have be one.
30:42You have to talk, babe, this isn't about me, it's about her.
30:44No, let me just say what I'm saying.
30:46Jay, Jay, no.
30:47Go on, go on.
30:48Look, I do believe the test and I knew this was going to come out.
30:51You know what you think, I'm going to mug myself off.
30:54I'm telling you now, you ain't mugged yourself off, Jay, you've mugged me off.
30:56Oh, really?
30:57I will come back, I will do this DNA for you, I will do a lie detector
30:59and I'll prove to you that you've lost the best thing that ever happened to you.
31:01You reckon?
31:02Yeah.
31:03You reckon?
31:04Stay right.
31:14The reason that I was trying to explain to him, and hold on a sec, guys, please.
31:19The reason I was trying to explain to him calmly, and you have been very calm and I'm not going
31:24to chase after him, is because I didn't quite grasp that it was only both of you who'd admitted
31:29to each other about the infidelity at the beginning of the relationship until this woman
31:34came out of the woodwork.
31:35Now, you're absolutely right, and he should listen to this, because there's no proof yet
31:40that you haven't done the same.
31:41Yeah.
31:42There's no proof that it was just once.
31:44But you've said on this show, I will do it once, I will come back, I will do a DNA
31:49and I will do a lie detector.
31:50That's the best I can say.
31:51The most important thing for you right now is to be calm and to be controlled.
31:56We'll sit you with Graham.
31:57I like the fact that you're controlled.
31:59It's not my fault.
32:00You told us you expected that, didn't you?
32:02Yeah, I did expect it.
32:03I was hoping and praying that it wasn't going to be that, but yeah, I wouldn't be here
32:08if I didn't think that it was going to be the answer, to be honest.
32:11We're going to sit you with Graham.
32:12We'll get you back when you are good and ready to do a lie detector and a DNA.
32:15But please, more than anything, let's just bring this down and resolve it in a calm way,
32:19all right?
32:20Yeah.
32:21We'll ask you to go that way.
32:23Give her a round of applause.
32:24Thank you very much indeed.
32:26Good luck to them.
32:28Right, my next guest today, Dawn, is here to confront her niece Paige, whom she suspects
32:32has stolen her husband's wedding ring.
32:33She says that Paige has stolen from the family in the past, and although she recently gave
32:37her another chance, she feels that Paige has thrown it back in her face.
32:40She says if she fails the test, this is it.
32:43Never welcome round the house again.
32:45Dawn is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
32:47How are you?
32:48All right, thanks.
32:49You all right?
32:50I've been nervous.
32:51Nervous?
32:52Yeah.
32:53Welcome to the show.
32:54I was going to try and keep these sorts of stories simple.
32:55Absolutely understand, the worst type of betrayal is by somebody related to you.
33:09You're her auntie, but you say that you saw her...
33:16As a daughter figure.
33:17I loved what you said.
33:18Can I do this?
33:19Yeah.
33:20Giving her everything.
33:21Food, money, sprayer tans.
33:23Yeah.
33:24Brilliant.
33:25Yeah.
33:26She was stealing from her side of the family.
33:28It's her track record.
33:29Yeah.
33:30So, we said this is the last time.
33:31Why did you give her a chance?
33:32Because of my niece.
33:34I lived to bits.
33:35I lived to bits.
33:36Why are we here today then, babe?
33:38To try and figure out if she lied or not.
33:40This wedding ring.
33:41Yeah.
33:42Your husband's wedding ring.
33:43Again, we're there, aren't we?
33:44It's not about value, sentimental value, absolutely.
33:47Right.
33:48This is about something that matters to you.
33:50Yeah, and to my husband.
33:51Tell me what happened.
33:52Well, there was me, Paige, in the house.
33:55Chris came home from work.
33:56Went and had a shower.
33:57Paige said, can I use the toilet?
33:59Yep.
34:00And then she came down and she said, right, can you take me home?
34:02I said, yeah, I'll take you home.
34:03I said, right, drop in beige home.
34:05Dropped it off.
34:06Came back.
34:07In the morning, Chris said, have you seen my ring?
34:09I said, isn't it in the bathroom?
34:10He said, no.
34:11And I just knew Paige had it.
34:13I just knew she had it.
34:14Because she had my cardigan.
34:15She what?
34:16She took my cardigan.
34:17But she said I lent it to her.
34:18So, you brought your cardigan that she nicked?
34:20Yeah.
34:21Well, hold on.
34:22Yeah, that's the cardigan.
34:24Why have you got it back then?
34:25Because I went and got it back.
34:26So, she nicked that as well?
34:27Yeah.
34:28But she said I lent it to her.
34:29Don't mess up.
34:30You might find this bizarre, right?
34:32This girl's got such a track record.
34:34She, on Facebook, saw the cardigan that had gone missing on Paige.
34:37Yeah, I had to get a friend to go on Facebook.
34:39To see if she had the photo.
34:41And she was wearing it.
34:43Is today, hear me out.
34:45Is it about the ring or is it about...
34:47I don't know the right way to describe this.
34:49If she fails, realising that actually you've done everything you can
34:53and there's nothing more you can do for this.
34:55No, I can't give up on her.
34:56I can't.
34:57She's got no one.
34:59Do you believe she stole the ring?
35:01I don't know.
35:02All right.
35:03Okay.
35:04I hope she's watching what this means to you.
35:08Just get Paige on the...
35:10What?
35:11Sorry.
35:12Paige, come here.
35:13Give Paige a round of applause.
35:14Get Paige out.
35:15APPLAUSE
35:16Did you steal the wedding ring?
35:19No.
35:20You sure?
35:21100%.
35:22Do you see how many people say that to me?
35:23I haven't.
35:24You want to see it's done to your auntie?
35:25Yeah.
35:26You need to deal with this, love.
35:27Okay.
35:28Hi.
35:29Are you all right?
35:30I haven't taken it.
35:31But you've taken stuff in the past.
35:32That was when I was, like, 14.
35:33To the point where your family got rid of you?
35:34Yeah.
35:35I'm not going to do something stupid again to lose my family again.
35:37She says that you and she were the only two people in the house and the wedding ring
35:38weren't missing.
35:39No, they'd gone.
35:40They'd gone.
35:41Well, I didn't even know what Chris's ring looks like.
35:42You do better.
35:43I don't know.
35:44I don't know.
35:45I don't know.
35:46I don't know.
35:47I don't know.
35:48I don't know.
35:49I don't know.
35:50I don't know.
35:51I don't know.
35:52Isn't it true that in the week after the ring was discovered as missing, you couldn't
35:59get hold of Paige?
36:00I couldn't get hold of her for a week.
36:01She said she wanted to sort her head out.
36:02Yeah, a couple of weeks, yeah, because I was ill.
36:03But all she had to do was simply send me a text.
36:04Why didn't you send the text?
36:05When did you make a call?
36:06It's a bit dodgy, isn't it?
36:07Yeah, but you didn't text me.
36:08What did you do with the ring?
36:09It made me feel like you were avoiding the ring.
36:10I haven't taken the ring.
36:11Seriously?
36:12100% have not taken the ring.
36:13What's it like being accused again, then?
36:14It hurts.
36:15How long ago was it?
36:16What was?
36:17How long ago was it that the ring weren't missing?
36:19A month ago.
36:20What does your auntie mean to you?
36:22She's like my mum.
36:23She means everything to me.
36:24You told my team I'm going to come here today.
36:25I'm going to prove that I'm a changed person.
36:26I've made mistakes in the past.
36:27One of the things that really annoys me is that I've been judged.
36:28Did you steal the ring?
36:29No.
36:30100%.
36:31Where is she?
36:32Thank you, Taylor.
36:33Actually, I just want to do a quick statement from your old man, Chris, yeah?
36:38Came home from work about three weeks ago, Paige in the house and my wife went upstairs to
36:45have a shower, took off my wedding ring and went to bed in the morning.
36:49I realised it was missing in my eyes.
36:51The only person who could have taken it was Paige.
36:53She's had a bit of history with taking things from people in the past.
36:56We wanted to try and help her make the right choices.
36:58I'll be really massively disappointed in her if she fails the test and she won't be welcome
37:01in my house again.
37:03That's the reality.
37:04But as ever, with these sorts of stories, we have to bear in mind that this is not a
37:08done deal.
37:09Did you steal the wedding ring?
37:10No.
37:11Definitely didn't steal the wedding ring.
37:12I didn't.
37:13I didn't.
37:14I promise you, I didn't.
37:15What happens to her if she has?
37:18Hello?
37:19Hello?
37:20What happens to her if she has?
37:21I can't give up on her.
37:22I can't.
37:23I can't.
37:24I'm what she got.
37:25We asked Paige, did you steal the wedding ring that went missing from Dawn's house?
37:28Bit of a track record, haven't you?
37:31It's funny though, this show.
37:34Your niece said no.
37:35Why'd you say no?
37:36I was telling the truth.
37:38Of course she was telling the truth.
37:40I'm sorry.
37:41I'm sorry.
37:42I'm sorry.
37:43I'm sorry.
37:44I'm sorry.
37:45I'm sorry.
37:46I'm sorry.
37:47I'm sorry.
37:48I'm sorry.
37:49And you know what?
37:51I'm so sorry.
37:54I'm sorry.
37:55And do you know what's interesting?
37:56Look at me.
37:57This is probably the biggest thing that you could have done from the age of 14.
38:04I told her.
38:05Do you want to know why?
38:06Do you want to know why?
38:07Because all those people now, down that camera, I'll say it, all sorts of people make mistakes
38:11in their lives.
38:12This girl has turned her life around and she's come here because every time something like
38:17that happens in your life, I guess you'll be blamed.
38:19Yeah.
38:20You look strangely enough.
38:22I'm relieved.
38:23You look quite proud and relieved and pleased.
38:26She didn't steal it.
38:27I'm sorry.
38:28I'm so sorry.
38:29I told you I didn't.
38:30I wouldn't do it.
38:31I wouldn't do it.
38:32No, but you must see why.
38:33Because of your history you've got.
38:34No, I know that.
38:35And my cardigan.
38:36I know, I forgot I had that.
38:38The cardigan.
38:39The cardigan.
38:40The cardigan, please.
38:41That's what he wears at home with his slippers.
38:43Is that the point?
38:44Jer.
38:45Jer.
38:46Jer's fine.
38:47Hey.
38:48Happy you came?
38:49Yeah, I know.
38:50I told you I didn't.
38:51I wouldn't do it after you.
38:52Do you know what I mean?
38:53What would I do in a mandarin anyway?
38:55I'm going to wait in myself.
38:58Good theory.
38:59Happy?
39:00Yeah.
39:01That's a really, really good way of moving forward with your life.
39:05Good to meet you.
39:06Well done.
39:07Can I keep that?
39:08Can you keep that?
39:09Of course you can keep that.
39:10There's a Skype now.
39:12Is that right?
39:13Good luck to them and more lie detector results after this break.
39:17We're right back.
39:18Don't go anywhere.
39:19Don't you dare sit there and try and sugarcoat all this because it's lies.
39:24We asked Scott, since the start of your relationship with Mickey, have you had sexual intercourse
39:27with anyone else?
39:28You said no.
39:29Why did you say no?
39:30So I'll tell the truth.
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40:05Welcome back.
40:06My next guest today, Mickey, is here for crucial lie detector results with the fiance Scott,
40:13whom she suspects has been cheating.
40:15She says she caught him messaging another woman and this guy disappears for hours at a time.
40:20He lies where he's been.
40:21She says the doubts have now affected their sex life and unless he can today clear his name,
40:26she's doing one.
40:27Mickey's on the Jeremy Kyle show.
40:29That one.
40:30That one.
40:35Middle chair.
40:36You all right?
40:37Hey.
40:38Welcome to the show.
40:39That was a very slow walk.
40:40You all right?
40:41Yeah, I'm fine.
40:42Erm.
40:43I've stopped having sex with the man I love until he proves he hasn't cheated.
40:47Can we cut to the chase?
40:48Erm.
40:49You've been with him how long?
40:51A year and, just short of a year and two months.
40:53Good relationship.
40:54Yeah.
40:55And then you found something on my favourite social networking site.
40:59What did you find?
41:00I found messages off his ex-girlfriend.
41:02Saying what?
41:03Saying like basically that she still loves him and everything.
41:06Why does that mean, that means that he doesn't want to be with you?
41:08Maybe that's just her thing.
41:09Because he replied saying that he was missing her as well.
41:12So.
41:13Did you confront him?
41:15Yes.
41:16What happened?
41:17Well, it started with me having a massive go at him and he just sat there and didn't say anything.
41:22Interestingly as well, I said it, er, he disappears.
41:25This guy will go out for a pint of milk and be gone for eight hours.
41:27Yes.
41:28Which is, which is not great.
41:31Er, he never, you, never answers his phone.
41:33No.
41:34And you believe that he's, he's, he's out with somebody else.
41:38Yeah.
41:39Your sex life is non-existent.
41:41Yeah.
41:42Try being married.
41:43What do you mean non-existent?
41:46It, we just don't have a...
41:48Is that him?
41:49Yes.
41:50It's taken quite a lot to get him into the studio.
41:54He was very nervous.
41:55I accept that and acknowledge that.
41:56Some people might think that's because he's guilty.
41:58He says, erm, I, I'm, I'm coming here because I will absolutely pass this lie detector.
42:04Erm, let's look at the facts, erm, the messages, the lack of physical closeness, doesn't answer
42:14his phone, disappears for hours on end.
42:16You love this guy though.
42:17Yeah.
42:18But, the age old question, what happens if it is true?
42:21What if, what if he has been up to no good?
42:23Then it's over.
42:25See, you're another one who looks straight in your eyes and I know you're right.
42:28You turn the truth, aren't you?
42:29Yeah.
42:30Scott's on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
42:31He's facing the music.
42:32Give him a round of applause.
42:40How are you, Scott?
42:41I'm not too bad, Jeremy.
42:42How are you?
42:43Er, I'm good.
42:44Erm, why were you so nervous, pal?
42:46Erm, just for the outcome of it.
42:48What?
42:49Just for the outcome of it all.
42:51What, of the test?
42:52Yeah, cos I know I haven't done nothing, but it's...
42:54Why would you be nervous if you know you haven't done anything, then you'll pass the test?
42:58Just nursing them.
42:59Were you texting naughty messages to your ex?
43:01Before we got together, yeah.
43:03What?
43:04She only found them two weeks, how long ago was it?
43:06It was, erm, last week actually.
43:07So what, you kept them for a year and a half?
43:09Well, I didn't hide them, yeah.
43:11What date did they have on them?
43:12Erm, ranging back from May of last year, up until, erm, the end of June.
43:19You say your ex is causing trouble and messaging it, erm,
43:23everybody's getting involved, everybody's staring it,
43:27and you just want to prove your innocence to Mickey and be happy.
43:30Where'd you go, by the way, for eight hours on end?
43:32You were just a slow walker.
43:33I'd just go...
43:34I'd just wander about and go down to the floor.
43:35You'd wander about?
43:37At any time of the day and night, you'd just wander about?
43:40Not at night, no.
43:41Why don't you go to work?
43:43Do you go to work?
43:44No.
43:45But you wander around.
43:46Er, your ex is Debbie.
43:48She gave us a statement.
43:49She says,
43:50I was in a relationship with Scott before he got with Mickey.
43:52We never slept together since he started seeing her.
43:54I think he'll...
43:55I still think he'll fail the lie detector
43:57because all the time he was with me, he would disappear
43:59and I'm certain he was cheating.
44:00Scott was messaging me on Facebook a lot
44:02and he started to get really abusive.
44:04I just want him to stop harassing me and leave me alone.
44:07I know there are rumours about him being my son's father,
44:10but I've already done a private DNA, he's not the dad.
44:12I want him to get on with his life.
44:14Who's your sister?
44:15Kelly.
44:16Kelly's on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
44:17That way.
44:22Don't you dare sit there and try and sugarcoat all this
44:25because it's lies.
44:26You have messages on Facebook from, what,
44:28two or three weeks ago saying that you loved her
44:30and that she loves you
44:31and that there's a 50% chance that this baby is yours.
44:33I've seen all the messages.
44:35Two or three weeks ago?
44:37Scott, I've seen them all.
44:38She showed me.
44:39A message off her saying
44:40I love you and we could be a family.
44:42Who are you?
44:43Hello.
44:44Hi.
44:45Hi.
44:46You've seen them?
44:47Yeah.
44:48And you've seen them?
44:49Yeah.
44:50What did you see?
44:51I've seen him messaging her saying he loves her and all that.
44:52Why are you not listening to your mates
44:53and dumping this letter?
44:54It's true, isn't it?
44:55No.
44:56What?
44:57No.
44:58You're going to pass the test?
44:59Yeah.
45:00Why are we getting nervous then?
45:01Because I'm generally nervous.
45:03What's this doing to your sister?
45:05Destroying her.
45:06She used to be a confident, bubbly person.
45:07She used to wear makeup every day.
45:08She used to have a smile on her face every day.
45:10Now she's crying every day.
45:11Aww.
45:12She joined Slimming World, right, and she lost half a stone.
45:15Half a stone.
45:16He never even said congratulations.
45:17He just looked at her and went, all right.
45:19Nothing to say, Scott.
45:21You don't love her at all.
45:23And I've got news for you.
45:24You ain't coming home with her.
45:25She's coming home with me.
45:26You're going home on your own.
45:27You're going to pass?
45:28Yeah.
45:29Are you?
45:30I hope so.
45:31Thank you, Rebecca.
45:32Let's do Scott's lie detector results.
45:33Oi.
45:34Listen to me.
45:35Mickey.
45:36You meant what you said, didn't you?
45:37We asked Scott, since the start of your relationship with Mickey, have you had sexual intercourse
45:50with anyone else?
45:51You said no.
45:52Well done.
45:53I hope so.
45:54I know.
45:55Did someone tell him the truth?
45:56He was telling the truth, ladies and gentlemen.
45:59APPLAUSE
46:01Since the start of your relationship with Mickey, have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
46:10He said no, because he was telling the truth.
46:12CHEERING
46:13Since the start of your relationship with Mickey, have you passionately kissed anyone else?
46:16Well, blow me over like a feather.
46:17This man passed every single question.
46:19There you are.
46:20Well done.
46:21Well done.
46:27I'm sorry.
46:28What did you say?
46:28I'm sorry.
46:30You said two seconds ago, it wasn't coming home.
46:32Can I just... Do you want some advice?
46:33It's not only about the lie detector, it's about the way he treats her.
46:35Do you want some advice?
46:37Yes. Please.
46:39I'm sure there are things in your life which make it difficult,
46:43but I think next to you is a woman who possibly loves you quite a lot.
46:48I just think that you are not the most dynamic,
46:51which is maybe not your fault,
46:52but disappearing for hours on end
46:54is merely going to fuel her doubts and her concerns.
46:57Share what problems you've got with the woman you purport to love
47:00because the two of you surely are stronger as two than you are as one.
47:03Talk to her.
47:04This is, I'm sure, a and other, stirring it up.
47:08But at the end of the day, if you cut her off,
47:11she's going to think there's more to it, right?
47:13Yeah.
47:13Put your foot down with him.
47:15Stop rolling over and playing dead, for God's sake.
47:18What do you want to say to him?
47:20Things have got to change.
47:22The way you are and stuff, it's just...
47:25It stops now, and I'm glad you've passed, honestly, but...
47:29You know, I said this to somebody the other day, Scott,
47:31and some people don't like this.
47:32It's very easy for people...
47:33Look, oi!
47:34I don't...
47:35I don't know at this moment what you've had to go through,
47:37but you need to man up.
47:38Get off your backside and make something of your life
47:40and love the woman that you love,
47:42and if you don't want to do that, there's no problem.
47:44Yeah.
47:45Yes?
47:46You want to be with her?
47:47Yeah?
47:48Talk to Graham, spend some time, the three of you that way.
47:51He passed the lie to Ted, to give him a round of applause.
47:55I have to admit, I was a little bit surprised,
47:57but he did the business.
47:58Thank you for watching today.
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