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00:00And let's just talk about NATO and Europe, because you just mentioned there, we heard France and Poland are planning to deepen defense ties in the face of what they call Moscow's war machine.
00:13How important now is it for the European supporters of Ukraine to step up and help with peace negotiations?
00:21That's one of the consequences of where we are today that President Trump is happy with, because from the very beginning of his first term, he said NATO members need to pay.
00:35And what that meant was they need to be spending their 2 percent of gross domestic product, at minimum 2 percent.
00:42And a number of them weren't. Now more of them are, but some of them still aren't, including Italy, including Spain.
00:51And so for President Trump, the fact that he is basically downshifting and has been saying to the NATO countries, has been saying to the EU, where EU members separate from NATO countries, hey, you need to step up.