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🌍 Trump’s foreign policy wasn’t just unpredictable — it was seismic.
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🇮🇷 Iran felt the pressure with assassinations and sanctions.
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00:00:00Hi, everybody. Today is Friday, May 2nd, 2025, and our friends Larry Johnson and Colonel Wilkerson
00:00:13are back with us. Welcome back. Thank you.
00:00:16Thank you, William.
00:00:17Let's get started with what has happened with Mike Waltz. And when we talk about him,
00:00:22we may remember the importance of Jake Sullivan in the administration of Joe Biden.
00:00:30And here is Mike Waltz, and here is what J.D. Vance said about him.
00:00:37He is being made ambassador to the United Nations, which, of course, is a Senate-confirmed position.
00:00:42I think he can make a good argument that it's a promotion.
00:00:44But we brought Mike on to do some serious reforms at the National Security Council.
00:00:49He has done that. I like Mike. I think he's a great guy. He's got the trust of both me and the president.
00:00:54But we also thought that he'd make a better U.N. ambassador as we get beyond this stage
00:01:00of the reforms that we've made to the National Security Council.
00:01:02You saw the president announce that Marco Rubio is going to step in as interim leader
00:01:06of the National Security Council.
00:01:08Is that related, Colonel, is that related to what has happened with the case of Signal
00:01:16and that they were talking about Yemen and the strategy toward Yemen?
00:01:21What is the main reason, in your opinion?
00:01:23Well, I think the incident with his having brought a reporter, particularly Jeffrey Goldberg,
00:01:30into a conversation like that or into a meeting like that had to have something to do with it.
00:01:35But I saw Vance's nose growing the whole time he was talking, you know, like Pinocchio,
00:01:42lying through his teeth.
00:01:44What do you do with someone like Samantha Power, for example, whom Obama was fiercely angry at
00:01:51for Libya? He kicked her up to New York to get her out of his hair and to put her in a position
00:01:57that was inconsequential, really, to substantial decision-making.
00:02:01That's exactly what he's doing with Vance.
00:02:03He's sending him to an organization that Trump, by his own declarations, abhors
00:02:09and is thinking about withdrawing all American dues to, which will kill the U.N., as Ronald Reagan found out.
00:02:18I mean, he's sending him to nowhere.
00:02:25Larry?
00:02:26Yeah, well, he's gone.
00:02:27You know, when he was as the national security advisor to the president,
00:02:30he was essentially going to be giving direction to Marco Rubio.
00:02:35Now, at the United Nations, he's under the thumb of Marco Rubio.
00:02:40So, you know, Larry is exactly right.
00:02:43He is getting kicked upstairs.
00:02:45You know, I think they wanted to get rid of him, but here was a guy that they'd convinced
00:02:51to give up his safe seat in Congress.
00:02:54And so, you know, they didn't want to just throw him out to the street.
00:02:57And so he'll go up, he'll cool his heels in New York.
00:03:01He'll make some new friends up there, get some new business opportunities.
00:03:04And probably within a year or so, he'll be gone.
00:03:06However, it does create a real, you know, they go through the Senate confirmation process.
00:03:15They're going to beat the hell out of the guy.
00:03:18I mean, the Democrats, boy, they're on their knees saying there is a God.
00:03:23You know, we now have a gift that we can just blast him.
00:03:27You know, he'll have to, under oath, deny that he knew Jeffrey Goldberg, which is a lie.
00:03:33You know, there are other credible reports out there that he absolutely knew him, even
00:03:36though he's denied having any contact.
00:03:39And then they'll get into the particulars of a lot of various policies.
00:03:43So, you know, it'll be ugly.
00:03:45He'll ultimately get confirmed, but Trump administration is going to get another big black eye.
00:03:52You know, if I were Elizabeth Warren or someone like that, I'd lean into the mic and I would
00:03:58say, are you going up to New York to dismantle the United Nations for your president?
00:04:04Yeah.
00:04:09Colonel, do you, how did you find him so far in his position?
00:04:17Do you think he was helpful?
00:04:19He was somehow making barriers, obstacles for the administration in terms of the conflict
00:04:27in the Middle East with Ukraine and even with China?
00:04:31Well, the most dramatic thing that I saw that I'm in no position to interpret because it's
00:04:37a very confidential thing between the president and the national security advisor, but maybe
00:04:42Trump was using him.
00:04:43But he was, between the two meetings in Muscat, between Witkoff and the foreign minister of
00:04:50Iran, one indirect and then the other one fairly direct, he was putting out that Witkoff was
00:04:56on the wrong sheet of music, that Witkoff was wrong, that Iran had to completely disarm,
00:05:02absolutely disarm.
00:05:04And Witkoff, of course, was not saying that to the Iranians because they would have walked
00:05:07away had he been saying that.
00:05:09At either meeting, they would have just left, walked away.
00:05:12So, I either have to think that Trump and he were trying to coordinate some inartful pressure
00:05:18on the negotiations with regard to Iran, or the national security advisor was just off
00:05:25the reservation.
00:05:27I don't know which, but it didn't turn out very well in terms of the way he looked in
00:05:32his coordination with the president.
00:05:36Larry, your take?
00:05:38With respect to?
00:05:42With respect to how helpful he was for Donald Trump in solving the conflict with Russia and
00:05:49Iran.
00:05:50He was irrelevant.
00:05:52You know, he solved nothing.
00:05:57He was, you know, I think the better question to ask, who's going to replace him?
00:06:03So, Marco Rubio, you know, Marco Rubio is juggling a lot of balls in the air, okay?
00:06:12They're going to, well, he's actually trying out for Cirque du Soleil.
00:06:16You know, they're going to put him on stage in Las Vegas.
00:06:19You know, there was rumor yesterday that, oh, maybe, well, Whitcoff is going to be named
00:06:27the national security advisor, which would be, you know, another terrible choice.
00:06:30Whitcoff seems like a nice man, but has absolutely no clue about the combination of intelligence
00:06:38and defense and all the elements that go up to, you know, make U.S. national security.
00:06:45Then Michael Anton, who's, boy, he's a diehard Zionist.
00:06:50You know, he's currently on there.
00:06:53He's rumored as one possibility.
00:06:55Someone even suggested Keith Kellogg.
00:06:58I mean, I don't even think Trump's that stupid.
00:07:01But, you know, let's find out.
00:07:05The point is, I think a lot of this chaos contributed to the cancellation of the negotiations with
00:07:15Iran, which are supposed to take place on Saturday.
00:07:19But that's not it alone.
00:07:22There is, there's a strong Zionist component in the Trump national security team, ironically,
00:07:33most of whom are not Jewish, that want to go to war with Iran.
00:07:39And from what I'm seeing, it looks like I think they're going to prevail, that Whitcoff's efforts
00:07:46to negotiate a deal are going to completely collapse.
00:07:49But, you know, it could be what we're seeing with Trump and, you know, like this rare earth mineral deal.
00:07:59He supposedly got cut with Ukraine.
00:08:01He talks a big game, lays out this high level marker, and then, you know, comes and agrees to something
00:08:10that's completely not what he claimed it was.
00:08:13But he'll still insist that it's, you know, the best and we're going to get money out of it.
00:08:18No, he lies about it.
00:08:19So maybe that's what his plan is with Iran.
00:08:22But this, you know, waltzes like putting your hand in a bucket of water and pulling it out.
00:08:30Nothing there.
00:08:32Maybe a few ripples.
00:08:34But he'll be consigned to the pages of history as in their relevancy.
00:08:38I even heard one rumor yesterday saying that the rumors are rampant, but that Rubio was
00:08:48going to be national security advisor and secretary of state, a feat only accomplished by Henry
00:08:53Kissinger in our history and not a feat that anyone in the Congress, at least at that time,
00:08:59would ever repeat because that's ridiculous having a national security advisor and a secretary
00:09:05of state with the same hat.
00:09:07Yeah.
00:09:08But that's the kind of rumors that are going around.
00:09:12But Colonel Rubio so far, he didn't show so much talent in his position to be.
00:09:22He showed some sucking up talent in that cabinet meeting.
00:09:27I said, look at Nima here being the diplomat.
00:09:38Colonel, do you feel that Larry mentioned Steve Witkoff?
00:09:44We know that the way to destroy Steve Witkoff and what he's doing right now is to put him
00:09:49in a position like the position of Mike Walz.
00:09:52They're going to destroy him.
00:09:54And they're going to, but do you feel that this position for Donald Trump is the same
00:10:00as it was for Joe Biden or no matter who, who's going to be in this position, Donald
00:10:06Trump would decide about everything and would influence everything.
00:10:10I think we've seen from his first time in the presidency and what little we have of evidence
00:10:16this time, not much has changed, that what I said, what, six weeks ago or maybe right after
00:10:23inauguration, that I didn't think any of his cabinet officers would last a year.
00:10:27I stand by that.
00:10:29I don't think they will.
00:10:31But that's part of Trump's character, I think.
00:10:34He does not like people sharing with him in any way, fashion, or form.
00:10:38That was what I was really curious about with Rubio's cabinet performance, because the Rubio
00:10:43went to great pains to kiss his rear end every other parenthetical remark Rubio made.
00:10:51Still, he took too long and he bragged too much.
00:10:56Look at Trump's face the whole time that Rubio is talking.
00:11:00If you can get the video where you see the thing, right, focused on both of those members.
00:11:04Rubio isn't long for this world either, as far as I'm concerned.
00:11:10You don't contest with Trump.
00:11:12You don't.
00:11:12You don't take anything away from the king.
00:11:15If you take anything away from the king as one of his courtiers, you are going, and you are going fast.
00:11:22Maybe not as fast as I thought, maybe not nine to ten months, but I think we'll have a whole new cabinet after a year.
00:11:28Larry, if that's the case, do you think the way that everything's, the people are talking about that this administration is somehow is not helping Donald Trump in his sort of objectives.
00:11:44If he's that much powerful in his administration, why is he not capable to get something in Ukraine, to get something with Iran?
00:11:54Donald Trump's not helping Donald Trump.
00:11:57I mean, let's be clear about that.
00:12:02He did another post on social media last night on True Social about the fact that the United States won World War II.
00:12:11We were the victors.
00:12:13He said, I mean, it was the biggest load of bullshit you've ever seen, and yet he believes this.
00:12:23He genuinely believes this nonsense.
00:12:27To be that out of touch with reality is alarming.
00:12:31And, you know, he's, he's does not, you know, some people imagine that he's like a five-dimensional chess player.
00:12:42God, he can barely put the, you know, checker pieces on the board.
00:12:47And I, you know, I really had hopes that, you know, sort of his, his trials and tribulations of the last four years would have taught him something and would have given him an element, both of some humility and a realization.
00:13:06Hey, I'm mortal.
00:13:07I'm not going to live forever.
00:13:09And let's leave a legacy.
00:13:12Instead, he's just, you know, he's cocking it all up.
00:13:15For example, pretending to be a mediator between Ukraine and Russia when the United States is the major instigator of that war.
00:13:26Were it not for the United States, that war would not be happening.
00:13:30And, you know, I've, as I said on some other recent podcasts, when I went back and looked at how the Ukrainian army grew during the, under the presidencies of Barack Obama and Donald Trump,
00:13:45it was Donald Trump, where the combined military force of Ukraine went from 320,000, both active duty and reserve, to 1.2 million.
00:13:57Donald Trump did that.
00:13:59And it was a, it was a, it was a consequence of the NATO and U.S. UConn military exercises.
00:14:06It was under Donald Trump's first term as president that the military exercises started including anti-submarine warfare and amphibious warfare.
00:14:19We had Marines in the Black Sea and landing craft landing on the shores of Ukraine.
00:14:26What, Russia's sitting there looking, oh yeah, this is just a benign exercise?
00:14:30Nonsense.
00:14:32And then, in September 2020, they, the, Trump's Department of Defense thought it was a good idea to fly B-52s along the Crimea coast.
00:14:46I mean, what the hell?
00:14:49And then here's Trump pretending like he's, you know, Butterfly McQueen from Gone with the Wind.
00:14:55I don't know nothing about birth and no babies, Miss Scarlet.
00:14:58I don't, I don't know nothing about that war in Ukraine.
00:15:02I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's dangerous.
00:15:05It's absurd.
00:15:06Sorry.
00:15:06This is, I'm mad at you now, Nimi.
00:15:08You got me on this rant.
00:15:11And just to reinforce what Larry just said, I was watching his denunciation, very powerful denunciation of the Iraq war, the 2003 Iraq war, again last night.
00:15:22And I'm thinking the whole time about what he's doing right now, not only in support of the genocide in the Levant that Israel's created, and now bombing the hell out of Syria even more than it was before, but he's also bombing the be Jesus out of those poor people in Yemen.
00:15:40Again, this is a guy who says that was the greatest strategic era in U.S. history.
00:15:46Well, compound it, please, Mr. President.
00:15:48Yeah, and in fact, just try to figure out the cost, because they claim that they've thrown, flown 1,000 sorties.
00:15:57Now, if you assume that each sorties drop in two bombs, you know, so that's 2,000 bombs.
00:16:05And what's the cost per bomb?
00:16:07And then on top of that, they've lost two F-18s, you know, the other one they dropped in the drink and sunk.
00:16:17So that's $140 million right there.
00:16:19And then seven drones shot down in seven weeks, which is, you know, $35 million a pop.
00:16:27So they've lost U.S. military equipment worth almost a half a billion dollars in seven weeks.
00:16:36That's like, you know, a drunken sailor spending all of his money on Liberty in Manila in the old days.
00:16:45And, Lima, I looked yesterday because Judge Napolitano asked me the question,
00:16:50and I wanted to make sure that what I had said to him was reasonably accurate.
00:16:53So I went and did a detailed look at commercial shipping through the Red Sea.
00:16:58And while I said it didn't seem to me like much was going through,
00:17:02therefore the operation was not being very successful, there is some going through.
00:17:07It's very reduced, but it is going through.
00:17:09But here's the kicker.
00:17:11The people who really want to ship, the people who are reputable shippers, in other words,
00:17:16are faced with enormous insurance costs should they decide to ship.
00:17:20So those costs are offset the cost of going around the Cape.
00:17:25So they're going around the Cape.
00:17:27They're not going through the Red Sea.
00:17:28So your legitimate shippers, your reputable shippers, if you will,
00:17:32are not going through the Red Sea and haven't been for months.
00:17:36So how successful is this operation?
00:17:38And the people going through are the kind of people who are going to risk it
00:17:42because their cargo is either illicit or they're, you know, fly by the shoe crowd.
00:17:47They're the only ones going through the Red Sea.
00:17:51So this operation has not, not only, Larry's absolutely right,
00:17:54it's cost billions of dollars.
00:17:56It's killing innocent civilians principally with the bombs that are being dropped.
00:18:00And it's not accomplishing a mission.
00:18:03So the question becomes, why the hell are we still doing it?
00:18:05Yeah, I mean, because the challenge, you know, most people,
00:18:12and actually I saw this even when I was working, you know,
00:18:15some military exercises among military personnel.
00:18:18The assumption is the United States has this magical ability to locate ships at sea.
00:18:23It's hard to do.
00:18:25It ain't easy.
00:18:27Even with all of our advanced ISR.
00:18:31And that's really one of the reasons that we haven't lost an aircraft carrier yet in the Red Sea,
00:18:37simply because the Houthis don't have the ISR capabilities to pinpoint a ship
00:18:45and keep it fixated so that they can hit it.
00:18:48You know, it's constant move and target.
00:18:50So, you know, that's problem number one.
00:18:53But then the reverse side of that is, similarly,
00:18:58the United States can't find mobile missile launchers in Yemen.
00:19:03That's tough to find.
00:19:05So, you know, we like to pretend that we've got,
00:19:09we have this very expensive, technologically advanced military capabilities,
00:19:15but they don't always work as advertised.
00:19:18And that's, that's principally why we're losing the RQ-7s, the Reapers.
00:19:25Yeah.
00:19:26The MQ-9s.
00:19:27Yeah.
00:19:28The MQ-9s.
00:19:29Yeah.
00:19:29When they, when my son flies them, and I don't even know the nomenclature.
00:19:33When they loiter and pinpoint the target and then let loose a hellfire or whatever they're armed with,
00:19:42that's when they get shot down.
00:19:45Yeah.
00:19:45Colonel, when it comes to the fight with Yemen,
00:19:52and we've been witnessing that the Trump administration is short of targets in Yemen.
00:19:57They don't receive intelligence from Yemen.
00:20:00That's why they're attacking.
00:20:01I don't know.
00:20:02Whatever they find, a gathering, they're going to attack them
00:20:05as though they're preparing to attack the United States to prepare for a bigger fight.
00:20:11But when you look yesterday, Pete Hexed tweeted that Iran would be responsible for what's going on between the United States and Yemen.
00:20:23And they're going to attack Iran anywhere they feel that that would be the right decision to attack them.
00:20:31Do you find this sort of intimidation on the part of the United States would influence Yemen?
00:20:38Because I don't see that Iran would immediately, can do something immediately in terms of Yemen,
00:20:44because they're fighting, they're in a fight with the United States.
00:20:47And how is that?
00:20:51What is the strategy on the part of Pete Hexed?
00:20:53He's just putting out something to say something, to not be silent?
00:21:00Or he has some sort of strategy behind these sort of tweets that he's doing?
00:21:05You know, the one tweet was particularly egregious.
00:21:08It reminded me of the Pete Hexed of old, that is the Fox News man.
00:21:15I don't think the Houthis in any way, fashion, or form are intimidated by the United States.
00:21:21So that is a lie by Hexed.
00:21:23But of course, he's not going to say that.
00:21:25And second, I don't think Iran is intimidated by his statements about the effectiveness of our bombing against the Houthis.
00:21:34Take that in stride, Iran, because that's what we're going to do to you.
00:21:38You're next, you know.
00:21:39Well, if I were to run, I'd say, bring it on.
00:21:42If you're going to treat me the way you're treating the Houthis right now, bring it on,
00:21:46because I'll shoot you out of the air, and I'll cause you some real pain.
00:21:50Real pain, and I'll cause the region even more pain.
00:21:55So this is insane.
00:21:57It's like comic book characters.
00:21:59You know, you got the guy in one frame, and he says, zap, bang, dude, I'm going to get you.
00:22:03And then in the next frame, it's like, zap, bang, dude, you didn't get me.
00:22:07This is crazy.
00:22:08This is Hegseth, I think.
00:22:09And I'm becoming more and more convinced that he's short-lived also.
00:22:15Yeah.
00:22:16No, it's his, that tweet, you know, whatever the social media post was.
00:22:23It was so juvenile.
00:22:26I mean, it's just, there's no seriousness.
00:22:30It's like the kind of threat some guy in the locker room will make against some other guy, that, you know, some, over some imaginary beef.
00:22:41And, you know, what Trump really needs, what America needs, is someone who's sitting in the Secretary of Defense chair, that is the very, very last thing they want to do is go to war.
00:22:58And that's somebody that's been there and understands what the actual cost is.
00:23:04Because I am convinced that one of the reasons the United States has been continually embroiled in these foreign conflicts, where we go out and start them, is we don't pay a price.
00:23:18We, we don't, you know, there are a few Americans that suffer, you know, and then they get their legs blown off or completely disfigured or traumatic brain injury.
00:23:31And, you know, there is a, an appalling number of suicides among former, among veterans.
00:23:37However, you know, that as a percentage of the U.S. population, infinitesimal, it is not a major problem for the United States.
00:23:46So we don't bleed over it.
00:23:48So, hell, we make money off of it.
00:23:50And to have somebody that's that cavalier, as Pete takes that, without even, you know, having, having a common sense to step back and say, look at what, what, what we claim we're going to accomplish in Yemen.
00:24:04Now we're seven, seven and going eight weeks in.
00:24:08We have not reopened the Red Sea.
00:24:10We've not established freedom of navigation.
00:24:13We've not shut down the Houthis ability to carry out these attacks.
00:24:16And in fact, just this morning, the Houthis launched some more missiles at Israel.
00:24:21So, you know, but we're spending a lot of money and putting U.S. naval assets at tremendous risk.
00:24:32I would just add, Neiman, that we are doing tremendous damage to whatever reputation we had with regard to military prowess.
00:24:42Tremendous damage.
00:24:43And the whole world's watching.
00:24:44The whole world is watching.
00:24:46The only thing we have in our arsenal that the world is frightened of and with good reason is our nuclear weapons.
00:24:55Yeah, it's like, you know, if you've, it's like you're watching a guy that looks like he's a tremendous fighter.
00:25:01You know, he's very, very physically, you know, look, appears to be real powerful.
00:25:06And, and all of a sudden, you know, he gets, it gets into a fight with, with a dwarf.
00:25:12And the dwarf kicks him in the balls and he collapses on the ground.
00:25:19And all of a sudden, everyone's looking around saying, oh, hey, Mr. Invincible ain't so invincible.
00:25:25And, you know, it's, it's not just there.
00:25:29I mean, look at Afghanistan.
00:25:31Yeah.
00:25:32Look at Iraq.
00:25:33The United States has built up a reputation as being this big, loud mouth bully.
00:25:40But can't really, all we do, we, yeah, we can cause a lot of damage.
00:25:45We can kill a lot of civilians.
00:25:46But we don't solve the problem at all.
00:25:49We, we, we create them, exacerbate them.
00:25:51And then it's doubled down with, you know, the United States led this effort with Ukraine
00:25:56and provoking Russia into this war.
00:25:59And, and, and Russia's beating us, defeating us across the board.
00:26:06You know, this is a dangerous signal to send because there are some enemies out there.
00:26:11Yeah.
00:26:12Yeah.
00:26:12Larry, do you find Donald Trump serious about the negotiations with Iran?
00:26:20And because he posted yesterday on social media, he said that he's going to put sanctions on
00:26:29each and every country who's, who are willing to buy oil from Iran.
00:26:34And we know that who's talking about, he's talking about China.
00:26:38Because that was China, China, India, and Turkey.
00:26:42Those are the big three.
00:26:44So, you know, Trump, again, this is, this is out of his, the art of the deal, you know,
00:26:51making this, you know, outrageous threat.
00:26:56What, what, what alarms me is the assumptions that are at the foundation of both what Trump is
00:27:06doing and his national security team is supporting.
00:27:10They genuinely believe with respect to China, that China is going to come begging.
00:27:17China can't live without us.
00:27:19China's got to have, we're the, we're their largest market.
00:27:22They got, they got to have us.
00:27:24There's no way they could, you know, go on living without us.
00:27:27And it's like, are you really that delusional?
00:27:32I mean, you know, the Chinese vision of themselves as, as a people with 5,000 years of history.
00:27:41Okay.
00:27:43And they have been bullied and beat up by Westerners over time.
00:27:47And there, I think it was, the Chinese have learned a lesson, and I think in part,
00:27:57because back in 2015, when this joint comprehensive plan of action, JCPOA agreement was put in place,
00:28:04China and Russia were actually sort of lined up against Iran.
00:28:07And Iran, you know, Iran, Iran didn't have any, many choices back then.
00:28:13They were embroiled in a war in Yemen.
00:28:15They were embroiled in a war in Syria.
00:28:17Their economy was in trouble.
00:28:20And neither China nor Russia at that point were willing to back them up.
00:28:25In fact, they were willing to help impose sanctions.
00:28:29And something happened between 2015 and 2017.
00:28:33I'm not precisely sure what.
00:28:35But sometime in late 2017, both Russia and China said, you know what?
00:28:40We need to start conducting military exercises, joint naval exercises with Iran.
00:28:45And that exercise, the planning for it took place, and it was carried out in the first week of March of 2019.
00:28:53And it has continued every year since.
00:28:56So China and Iran and Russia, they've come together in a way to, you know, basically, I think, confront the attacks of the United States.
00:29:10And try to create an alternative.
00:29:13You know, they don't want, none of them want to go to war with the United States.
00:29:17Try to avoid it at all costs possible.
00:29:19So coming back to your question about, is Trump serious about a deal?
00:29:23Well, I don't think he is.
00:29:26I think he is too much a captive of the Zionist crowd.
00:29:32I mean, for God's sake, he just appointed a woman at the National Security Council to be in charge of the whole Middle East portfolio.
00:29:39Who's an Israeli citizen, for Christ's sake.
00:29:42I mean, can you imagine, yeah, let's, I'm going to have a Chinese citizen be the head of my Asia policy.
00:29:51And I'm going to have a Russian citizen who was a member of the KGB, the head of my Russian policy.
00:29:57Now, all those countries would be happy if that was the case.
00:30:01But, you know, that's what Trump is doing.
00:30:03And because it's Israel, he gets away with it.
00:30:07So I think because of the influence of the Zionist crowd, the talks with Iran are going to collapse.
00:30:20Cole, your take?
00:30:21Well, you know, to start at the beginning of your question, China got 90.4% of its oil last year from Moscow.
00:30:30So it's not a real problem for China, even if it were to be effective, and it won't be.
00:30:36And the other part of that is the Central Party School, when Xi Jinping took over,
00:30:42the Central Party School was tasked with providing a strategic analysis that had a part of it what to do if something like this were to occur.
00:30:54That is to say, if the United States became angry with China and suddenly started hurting its ability to produce for the United States or sell in the United States.
00:31:05That analysis told Xi Jinping that you can substitute quite adequately with domestic consumption.
00:31:13You now have wealth in China to the extent that you can purchase things within your own country and support, to a certain extent, your economy.
00:31:23And you can diversify.
00:31:25And here's how you should diversify with other people because they're willing to buy from you.
00:31:31And they've been doing that.
00:31:32Not on the sly, they've just been doing it slowly each year.
00:31:36And I don't think Xi Jinping is worried at all about losing the U.S. market.
00:31:42So that's not really a tool in our kid bag, if you will, for fighting China short of war.
00:31:50The other aspect of it, I think Larry's absolutely right about this.
00:31:55The world is getting ready to divest itself from us.
00:32:01We're not getting ready to divest ourselves from the world, which is Trump's mantra.
00:32:07You know, we'll go wherever we want to go.
00:32:10We'll take Greenland.
00:32:11We'll take Panama.
00:32:12We'll do whatever we want to do if we have to.
00:32:15And I'm the one who's going to authorize it.
00:32:18But that's not really what the world is doing right now.
00:32:20The world's not shivering in its boots because Donald Trump is saying all these things.
00:32:24Not even Denmark and not even Panama are doing that.
00:32:28But we're the ones who are the pariah.
00:32:32We're the ones who are creating the pariah status for ourselves.
00:32:36And as Larry said, much of the component of that creation is Israel and our support for it.
00:32:42And that's being doubled down on, apparently.
00:32:44We're just going down the tube.
00:32:48I mean, I can't see any other reason to prophesy positive things for this administration.
00:32:55And sadly, for this country right now because of the way we're being led and the direction we're pursuing.
00:33:01Larry, here is what Marco Rubio said.
00:33:07He's asking for Iran to walk away from uranium enrichment and long-range missiles.
00:33:16He of the euphoric cabinet meeting diatribe?
00:33:18I don't know if they're going to change their behavior this way.
00:33:26I don't see anything happening between the United States and Iran.
00:33:31And you look at – because it's not just about the United States.
00:33:34You have to look at what's going on in Iran as well.
00:33:37Right.
00:33:37And the administration in Iran is under tremendous pressure because they're trying to negotiate with the United States.
00:33:46And on the other hand, you see nobody's talking about – in Iran, you look at the officials.
00:33:52Since they have started these sort of talks and negotiations, nobody's talking about we're going to attack Israel,
00:33:59we're going to destroy this, that, we're going to fight the United States.
00:34:03They've just come down to see what's going on with the negotiations.
00:34:06But on the other hand, you see in the United States, you see Steve Witkoff changing the rhetoric,
00:34:14Marco Rubio just talking about long-range missiles, uranium enrichment.
00:34:20How is that going – do you feel that they really want to negotiate?
00:34:27They really want to find somehow a solution?
00:34:30Because if something goes wrong in the way that it was in Ukraine, this could hugely change the situation, not in the region, but in the world.
00:34:42And the world is changing hugely, as we thought.
00:34:45Yeah.
00:34:46Well, I mean, it's a very simple question that Trump needs to answer.
00:34:50What's your end result?
00:34:53What's your objective?
00:34:55Tell me, what is it you're trying to do?
00:34:58If you're wanting to get a guarantee that Iran is not going to devote any time, effort, energy, or resources to building a nuclear weapon,
00:35:08and that it will limit its nuclear industry to the enrichment of uranium only for peaceful purposes,
00:35:16if that's your goal, that's easy.
00:35:20That is easy.
00:35:21Iran is willing to do that.
00:35:23They've made it very clear that they're willing to do that.
00:35:26But if your goal is to disarm Iran in the way that we disarmed Libya, and then do regime change in Iran,
00:35:41no, that's not going to happen.
00:35:44Or at least the Iranians aren't going to be complicit in their own suicide.
00:35:48And that's where, you know, Trump keeps vacillating between those two choices.
00:35:56You know, one day, yeah, yeah, I can be the king of the world.
00:35:59I brought peace.
00:36:00I eliminated nukes.
00:36:01And then the next day, oh, well, we got to eliminate those Iranians.
00:36:05I mean, the lies that are perpetuated about Iran being the major sponsor of terrorism in the world,
00:36:12I mean, it's just objectively not true.
00:36:15But the facts don't matter to these people.
00:36:18That is what drives me crazy, that if you can sit down and have a rational conversation about,
00:36:25let's step back and look at who's actually, if the definition of terrorism is the use of violence against civilians for political purposes,
00:36:33the number one terrorist in the world right now would be Israel.
00:36:39Yes.
00:36:40With the United States a close second.
00:36:43I mean, in terms of killing civilians.
00:36:45Now, we come up with great excuses to justify it.
00:36:48Oh, but they're really bad.
00:36:50Or, well, they were hanging around bad, you know.
00:36:53We just, we refuse to look at ourselves objectively in terms of what we're doing.
00:37:03Yeah.
00:37:03Cool.
00:37:04Well, I agree with Larry.
00:37:06We seem to think that the rest of the world is not watching either and making decisions that will be irretrievable for us.
00:37:16That is to say, they will no longer be our friends, maybe not even our allies.
00:37:20They might even be our enemies.
00:37:22And we're doing this.
00:37:24We're doing this with our imbecilic, almost insane actions from one end of the world to the other.
00:37:30We're supporting a monstrous operation in Gaza.
00:37:35And just this morning, just thumbing through Haaretz, it looks to me like they're going to have a civil war in Israel.
00:37:42What are we going to do when that happens?
00:37:44Jews are going to be killing Jews in Israel.
00:37:46And this is a consequence of Netanyahu's leadership and the, you know, Katie barred the door, torpedoes, damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
00:37:56I'm going to destroy Hamas.
00:37:57You're not destroying Hamas, baby.
00:37:59What you're doing is creating a graveyard for people that are basically men, women, and children.
00:38:07Hamas is still there and still fighting you and will be there and still fighting you if you're even a state in the future.
00:38:14So what are you doing and what are you doing in Syria and what are you doing in Lebanon?
00:38:19Even Aoun is becoming a little bit skeptical about what Israel is doing in Lebanon.
00:38:24Won't leave.
00:38:25Not even close to honoring any kind of ceasefire or the concept of a ceasefire that I would think would be honored.
00:38:32This is crazy what we're doing.
00:38:34It's insane what we're doing all across the globe.
00:38:37We're not winning in Ukraine.
00:38:39We're not winning in Gaza or anywhere in the Levant.
00:38:42And we are losing big time all across the face of the globe with respect to China's moving ahead inexorably.
00:38:51It's insane.
00:38:53And this administration marks that insanity hour by hour.
00:39:00Larry, the situation in Syria, by the way, is getting far more dangerous than it was before.
00:39:07And Israel is just attacking Damascus.
00:39:10Yes.
00:39:11And using defense of the Druze as an excuse.
00:39:17It looked like they might even be trying to get the new president.
00:39:21One of the bombing raids.
00:39:22Yeah, no, look, it's the only good news out of that is it continues to overextend Israel's capabilities.
00:39:34Yes.
00:39:34So, you know, it's one thing if Israel's sitting on, you know, great vast manpower reserves and, you know, ample supplies of equipment and weapons and ammunition.
00:39:49But they aren't.
00:39:51And so they're trying to fight in, you know, committing the genocide in Gaza.
00:39:57They're doing the same in the West Bank and Janine in particular.
00:40:01They're into southern Lebanon.
00:40:03Now they're into Syria.
00:40:05And all of this, as they extend and expand their military operations, tell you what, that logistics tail becomes a big, big factor.
00:40:15Both logistics and manpower.
00:40:16And you put stresses and strains on that institution and it becomes more brittle, not resilient, and it can easily break.
00:40:28So, you know, this is the essence of hubris, that Israel and its arrogance will end up destroying itself.
00:40:38Haaretz reported yesterday they're actually sending exclusively regulars into Gaza now.
00:40:44They're sending the reservists other places like Syria and Lebanon if they'll go because the reservists are refusing to go back online, as it were, if they go to Gaza.
00:40:56They got real problems.
00:41:00And the situation, Koval, in Ukraine is not that much different.
00:41:07And as time goes by, it seems that it's getting much more difficult.
00:41:11Here is what we had a meeting between Zelensky and Donald Trump.
00:41:16Macron or maybe Starmer wanted to be part of that talk, which was whoever that was, was rejected from being part of the talk.
00:41:25Here is what J.D. Vance said about that.
00:41:28He was in the Vatican, had this iconic image talking to Vladimir Zelensky in those two chairs and huddled down, a much different scene than when he was last in the White House, as you well know.
00:41:42Where do you see that?
00:41:43Is that going to come to fruition?
00:41:45Well, I think, first of all, we have to give the president some credit here because there was a really big breakthrough and hasn't gotten that much coverage.
00:41:53But for three years, these sides have fought, and each of them has said, no peace, we're going to fight until the other guy is basically knocked out.
00:42:01What we've seen now in the last couple of weeks is each side has put down that this is our peace proposal.
00:42:07The Ukrainians did it.
00:42:08The Russians did it.
00:42:09And now I think the question is to see whether we can actually find some middle ground here for these guys to bring this conflict to a close.
00:42:16I really don't believe that any person, the 8 billion people in the world, I don't think anybody could have gotten this deal done other than Donald J. Trump.
00:42:26When I say this deal, I mean getting these guys to actually propose a peace settlement.
00:42:30But it's going to be up to the Russians and the Ukrainians.
00:42:33Now that each side knows what the other's terms for peace are, it's going to be up to them to come to an agreement and stop this brutal, brutal conflict.
00:42:42It's not going anywhere, Brett.
00:42:43It's not going to end anytime soon.
00:42:46And I think for the Ukrainians, yes, of course, they're angry that they were invaded.
00:42:50But are we going to continue to lose thousands and thousands of soldiers over a few miles of territory this or that way?
00:42:56I hope both of them come to their senses.
00:42:58And if they do, it will be because Donald J. Trump, I think, brokered one of the great peace deals of the 21st century.
00:43:04Yeah.
00:43:06You look at, Colin, you look at the way that Donald Trump and his administration are talking about the situation in Ukraine as though they are not part of the problem.
00:43:17They are not part of the picture.
00:43:19It seems all started with the Biden administration.
00:43:21And we know that's not right.
00:43:24But how did you find the latest meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Zelensky?
00:43:34First, let me say that I can't believe.
00:43:37I know politics is politics.
00:43:40And I know that vice presidents have to extol their presidents.
00:43:43And secretaries of state have to do the same thing.
00:43:46But the sycophancy of the remarks that J.D. Vance chooses and Marco Robio chooses is just appalling.
00:43:54It's appalling.
00:43:56It shouldn't happen.
00:43:57These are professional relationships over political relationships, especially when you're talking about war.
00:44:04So it shouldn't happen.
00:44:06Now, that meeting, as I've said on other podcasts between President Trump and Zelensky at the Vatican, looked like a confessional.
00:44:13I suspect Zelensky was doing the confessing.
00:44:19And the agreement maybe was discussed there.
00:44:21This new, much-touted agreement over minerals and such that the United States is making.
00:44:28I kind of agree with Anatole Levin in his piece that he wrote yesterday, I think, where he says this could be a positive because it does show some willingness of the United States to hang around,
00:44:40even if it's only in an economic sense, not a security sense, not really.
00:44:46But it could show that and it could be something that Putin could accept and Zelensky could accept and we could get closer together.
00:44:54But I don't even, I don't think I even support that interpretation.
00:44:58I think we failed.
00:44:59And I think J.D. Vance was trying to cover up that failure.
00:45:04We've failed to recognize ourselves that we are the perpetrators of this war.
00:45:10We are a belligerent in this war.
00:45:13Ukraine is our proxy.
00:45:15Zelensky, if he were to awaken to that suddenly, have an epiphany, would probably want to smack Trump in the face, not, you know, ask him for forgiveness or anything.
00:45:25We are a belligerent.
00:45:26We are dealing with the other belligerent, Russia.
00:45:31Russia has won.
00:45:34Face that reality and get this over with.
00:45:37But Trump's not going to do that.
00:45:38He's not going to do that because it's not a face-saving politically or otherwise measure for him to do that.
00:45:44So I don't see that we're going to make any progress at all.
00:45:47I'm really sad to say I don't see that we're going to make any progress.
00:45:51The progress is going to be made by Russian soldiers on the battlefield.
00:45:54And if NATO is not careful, if the United States is not careful, we're going to wind up with a lot more of we're going to wind up with a true rump, Ukraine, because Russia is not going to stop.
00:46:07It's just going to keep going.
00:46:08Yeah, but what Vance forgot, you know, when he said, oh, boy, the Russians came up with their peace plan.
00:46:15Well, hello, Putin's had it out on the table since June 14th of 2024.
00:46:20They haven't, they have not deviated from that, but they're in the process of augmenting it now.
00:46:28It's going to be more expansive because up to this point, Russia was content to take the four oblasts where their referendums were conducted and the people voted to become part of Russia.
00:46:42Those federal republics, Zaporizhzhda, Kherson, Donetsk, and Lugansk.
00:46:48Now, Russia is poised.
00:46:51They're going to take Dnipropetrovsk, which is the oblast that's directly west of the Donbass.
00:46:59They're already in Kharkiv.
00:47:02They're already in Sumy, which are up on the north, sort of the northeast corner of Ukraine.
00:47:10And after that is Poltava.
00:47:13So all of a sudden, you know, Russia could be in control of four more oblasts.
00:47:18Now, at that point, Russia can make a decision.
00:47:21Are we going to have a referendum, a supervised UN election?
00:47:25Let the people decide, do they want to be part of Ukraine or do they want to be part of Russia?
00:47:30And they're going to take Odessa.
00:47:32So they've given, basically, they've given Ukraine a chance to settle this.
00:47:39Stop now.
00:47:41We'll keep these four.
00:47:42You can have those four and we'll figure out.
00:47:46But you've got to come out of NATO, number one.
00:47:48And you have to you have to have elections and get rid of all these anti-Russian rules on your books.
00:47:56But Ukraine is not going to do that.
00:47:59So Russia is going to continue pressing forward militarily.
00:48:03And there's not a damn thing we can do to stop it.
00:48:06But the other two days ago, you know, the Finns and the Norwegians and the Swedes, NATO's conducting a maritime exercise up in the Baltic Sea.
00:48:21And there was a Russian oil tanker that was detained.
00:48:26Well, Russia went out and conducted its own military exercise yesterday with both its surface fleet and submarines.
00:48:34And they were launching missiles out of submarines near the U.S., the NATO exercise flotilla, who they immediately like, oh, Jesus.
00:48:46They backed off, they went to safe harbor, and Russia sent in a message, you know what, if you're going to start attacking our ships up here in the Baltic, we're going to take you out.
00:48:59And, you know, this war will expand.
00:49:01But Russia is looking at it as, as I wrote, you know, I did this three-part series on the history of NATO and U.S. military exercises in Ukraine.
00:49:12Ukraine's been a de facto member of NATO since 1995.
00:49:16And NATO has been embarked on a path that accelerated under, first, really accelerated under Barack Obama and then took off on steroids under Donald Trump with the plan to defeat, militarily defeat Russia as a way to go after China.
00:49:36Because they had to get Russia out of the way before we could attack China.
00:49:40That's our thinking.
00:49:41That's our so-called strategic thinking.
00:49:43And it's insane.
00:49:46You know, Neiman, that not only failed, miserably failed, just like Afghanistan and Iraq, and like Yemen, miserably failed.
00:49:56It forced China and Russia together.
00:49:58Yeah.
00:49:58Colonel, with the deal, with the deal, with the mineral deal, I remember the deal between the United States and Iraq.
00:50:07And, and how, the deal between the United States and Ukraine, nobody knows what's in the deal.
00:50:17And how would the deal, because at least from what we know so far, the, the vast, the most, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the resources mostly are located in the eastern part of Ukraine under the control of Russia.
00:50:36And if there is something in the western part, there has to be some sort of digging and exploration and all of that, that would take a lot of time to achieve something with Ukraine.
00:50:48It's not even close to what they had, to what has happened between the United States and Iraq.
00:50:54And do you, do you really believe that the main objective was the deal, was the mineral, or it was something else?
00:51:05What's your speculation on that?
00:51:07I think it was mostly to give a little sop to Zelensky.
00:51:14That's my, my interpretation of it.
00:51:16And to give a little something that might be passable with Putin, because it has no security implications to it, other than that the United States will still be connected with Ukraine.
00:51:28Not through NATO, or not through any defense or security arrangement, but still connected with them.
00:51:33And that's all I can see that it has any utility for.
00:51:37And that's kind of what Anatole says.
00:51:39He puts a little bit more positive spin on it because of those features than I would.
00:51:45As I said, I don't think it's going to do a thing.
00:51:47I think we're headed for disaster here too, just like we are everywhere else.
00:51:52We've got our bloody hand right now.
00:51:54We're headed for disaster.
00:51:55And the circus that's in the White House is not aiding, not doing anything, but aiding and abetting that process.
00:52:03Yeah, let me, let me comment this.
00:52:07The whole rare earth mineral thing is, it's basically, it's a scam.
00:52:12The fact of the matter is the United States, we have the raw rare earth minerals.
00:52:20They're piled up about 45 minutes north of, from where I am right now in Florida.
00:52:27A company called Mosaic.
00:52:28Their mining tailings, all the leftovers when they dig out mines, those piles, those are nothing but rare earth minerals.
00:52:39The problem is you've got to process them.
00:52:43And the processing is a big capital investment.
00:52:48It's environmentally harmful.
00:52:51And, you know, if we could, if someone would invest to, to be able to process that, to produce those rare earth minerals, and then they sell them, China, by virtue of its position, as being basically the only one in the world that's got the processor set up, where they can take those rare earth minerals, process them to produce the product that's actually used in, in ammunition, in artillery shells, in communications gear.
00:53:20And, in avionics, on combat aircraft, China could simply just drop the price.
00:53:28I mean, economic, so it's economically not feasible.
00:53:30So this is, even if they dig out rare earth minerals, where the hell they get to process them in Ukraine?
00:53:36And then from, you know, some details of the deal have come out, and after Trump's all of it, again, his big talk, oh, we're going to, Ukraine's going to pay us back the $350 billion.
00:53:48Now, there's not a thing about Ukraine paying a single dime to the United States with the possibility of U.S. getting some economic benefit after 10 years, okay?
00:53:59This agreement was all about making Donald Trump look like, you know, yeah, I accomplished something.
00:54:07And it's a complete fraud.
00:54:09But, so it doesn't, it doesn't do anything other than let Trump pretend, you know, this is like dress-up.
00:54:17He gets to pretend that he's a doctor, pretend that he's a policeman.
00:54:21Now he gets to pretend that he's this great dealmaker.
00:54:24And it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a complete joke.
00:54:26I mean, just the fact that here's Scott Bessett signing that agreement with a nobody from, from Ukraine.
00:54:33I mean, some lady seemed like a nice lady, but who was she?
00:54:38She's not a player, you know, that what happened to having Zelensky sit there and sign it with you?
00:54:44Well, Zelensky, he won this round against Donald Trump.
00:54:50Absolutely.
00:54:51He, uh, Trump didn't get all the things that he claimed he was going to get.
00:54:55So it's, it's just, the whole thing's a joke.
00:54:57Just to add to that, Nima, um, Deng Xiaoping made a decision right before he left the leadership of China and he implemented that decision.
00:55:10He said he was going to get 95% of the rare earth metals on the face of the earth, and he was going to have a hold over that.
00:55:16But that didn't mean that he was going to go out and get the tons of them that are in Australia or the tons of them, as Larry was pointing out, that are in the United States of America.
00:55:26What he meant was he was going to corral the pricing and that pricing was going to mean that China would have control over it because their monopoly would make that control.
00:55:38And we wouldn't want to challenge it because it's too expensive.
00:55:42He could do it a lot cheaper than us.
00:55:44In other words, I watched the show the other day, a webinar the other day too.
00:55:48I didn't understand some of the definitions here, but the Naval War College put this webinar on and they had all of their experts,
00:55:56both uniformed and civilian talking about something that's very different from rare earth metals.
00:56:02It's called critical minerals, and there's a list of about 103 of them.
00:56:08And they also pointed out where each one of them went into the chain, if you will, in terms of utility and use.
00:56:15And the first thing that struck me as they briefed was that a lot of these things are tied to technology right now,
00:56:23which Pete Hegseth has this habit of saying a truism about.
00:56:28It's gone.
00:56:30You know, seven to eight years is a cycle and it's gone.
00:56:33So you're looking at all these critical minerals that are critical right now that we're willing to expend blood over to get or to buy Denmark to get by Greenland to get or whatever.
00:56:44And they might be out the window in a decade or less than a decade that you don't need them anymore because they're obsolete.
00:56:51You're not making that cell phone anymore or you're not doing that kind of battery anymore.
00:56:54Oh, by the way, you know, China now is the leading producer of batteries and better batteries in the world and a number of other things that go along with that.
00:57:04But this critical minerals business is a real tricky bag and you have to be very careful about how you parse it.
00:57:10Is this military?
00:57:11Is this industrial?
00:57:13Is it both?
00:57:14Is it dual use?
00:57:15Is it here?
00:57:16Is it here?
00:57:17Is it there?
00:57:17Do we have it?
00:57:18Does this country have it?
00:57:19Do our allies have it?
00:57:20Like Australia who didn't even want Australia didn't even want to get back into the business because it wasn't economically feasible to get back in the business for rare earth metals.
00:57:29So it's much more complicated than these idiots like Vance and Hegseth and Trump seem to want to make it.
00:57:37It's not that simple.
00:57:40Much of the world's economy is not that simple anymore.
00:57:43What is of concern, Larry, is that, as Colonel mentioned, is the presence of the United States in the future in Ukraine with this deal between the two countries.
00:57:59Do you find it that of concern for Russia?
00:58:01Because right after signing the deal, Ukrainians were talking about they're going to receive $50 million in weapons and whatever the United States is going to send to Ukraine.
00:58:15But how is that going to be perceived by Russia?
00:58:21Is Russia happy with the situation?
00:58:24Does Russia believe that the United States is going to be out of Ukraine?
00:58:27It's not just about Donald Trump.
00:58:29It's about Russia, Ukraine, and the United States for the next 50, 100 years.
00:58:37And this is all about the presence of the United States in Ukraine, which was the main reason of this conflict between Russia and Ukraine.
00:58:46Well, the U.S. presence in Ukraine would be aspirational going forward.
00:58:54It's what we'd like to have happen.
00:58:56But in terms of our ability to actually make it happen, that's going to be something else.
00:59:01Because I don't know if Russia will ever take this step.
00:59:06If they ask my advice, I would tell them to give one very clear message to Steve Witkoff.
00:59:14I'd have Putin say, Steve, here's the deal.
00:59:18What you're doing to us right now are acts of war.
00:59:22And were it not for our patience, we would have wiped out most of your cities in America.
00:59:27What I want from you, and to make sure that President Trump hears this clearly, is you need to end all of your military support for Ukraine.
00:59:38You need to end your intelligence activities on our borders.
00:59:41And you need to stop supplying weapons.
00:59:45Stop being the principal instigator of this.
00:59:48You back away.
00:59:50Because as soon as you do that, we're going to finish defeating them and protecting ourselves.
00:59:54But barring that, we're going to have to treat you as an enemy.
01:00:00And this is going to escalate.
01:00:02Now, they don't want to escalate.
01:00:04Because Putin and the company, they know the cost of war.
01:00:09But the United States is not to be trusted in this.
01:00:13I'm sad to say.
01:00:15We are the biggest imperialist instigator right now in the world.
01:00:22And our intent is not to find a way that we can peacefully coexist with Russia, China, and Iran.
01:00:31We want to destroy all three.
01:00:34And then North Korea, too.
01:00:36And those countries have come to the realization, you know what?
01:00:40We better hang together because the United States is not going to stop.
01:00:46The only thing that's going to stop us is an economic collapse here or a major military defeat.
01:00:53That's what it's going to take to wake us up.
01:00:56Until that happens, the United States' imperial aggressiveness is going to continue, I think.
01:01:02Conal, Lavrov said when he was talking with the Brazilian newspaper, he said that Russia will not sacrifice its partners for the benefit of a better relationship with the United States.
01:01:21Do you think that what's going on between the United States and Russia would influence the situation with China or maybe with Iran?
01:01:36Or the United States is still able to get something out of Ukraine, out of the conflict in Ukraine, something positive in terms of making a better relationship between the United States and Russia?
01:01:55I think the only thing the United States is going to get out of the situation in Ukraine is a bloody nose and a defeat under Trump and maybe under any American president, because we just don't seem to understand the dilemma we put ourselves in.
01:02:12Not only have we forced Russia and China together, we have forced Russia, China, and Iran together.
01:02:19We have forced the BRICS to go much faster in terms of their cohesiveness and their actions.
01:02:27Sergey Lavrov, at the end of the Rio de Janeiro meeting of BRICS foreign ministers and such, made some statements to that effect.
01:02:35They were clouded and coded, but as a good diplomat will do, but the statement said, in essence, we're the future.
01:02:42Not that behemoth up there.
01:02:44That behemoth up there is committing suicide.
01:02:48We're the future.
01:02:50And they're trying to do a deal with that behemoth that's committing suicide without bringing the world into a situation of committing suicide.
01:02:59And that's an arduous task, but they're hard at it.
01:03:02But they're not going to give up the things they've won through blood and treasure in Ukraine, most important of which is an assurance of Russia's security.
01:03:12That's what it was all about.
01:03:14That's what the special military operation was all about.
01:03:17So we're sort of caught on that dilemma right now that Russia's got sense and we don't.
01:03:25And Russia's trying to use that sense to nonetheless deal with us.
01:03:31That's tough.
01:03:32And I don't predict the outcome.
01:03:35Larry, your take, how do you find it?
01:03:41How do you see Donald Trump, which was, everybody remembers that he said that he's going to put in 24 hours light.
01:03:52Right now, it doesn't seem that Europe is helping the United States in the strategy that Donald Trump had before coming to power.
01:04:02And at least we know that Donald Trump is getting closer to the European strategy toward Russia.
01:04:07It's not the Trump administration convincing Europe or forcing Europe to do something in Ukraine.
01:04:15How do you find Europe getting stronger in their way, in their sort of strategy toward Russia than the United States?
01:04:23Because I'm talking about the way that they have influenced the Trump administration, by the way, in my opinion.
01:04:29The fact that you could use the phrase, Europe getting stronger with a straight face.
01:04:34Okay, even you laughed, all right?
01:04:36You knew it was ridiculous.
01:04:39You know, what Trump has genuinely accomplished with respect to foreign policy in his first 100 days is he has completely, totally alienated Europe.
01:04:49And, you know, I don't think that that's necessarily a bad thing.
01:04:54I think the Europeans are a group of disgraceful colonialists anyway, have been responsible for raping so much of the world that they're getting a little bit of karma, a little bit of payback is what they're due.
01:05:06But the notion that NATO is now more united than ever before, nonsense.
01:05:14So, you know, Trump has managed to accomplish that.
01:05:18The Europeans actually are going to do everything they can to try to sabotage us going forward.
01:05:24And yet Europe is not in a position, you know, militarily, they're a joke.
01:05:30Economically, they're in trouble.
01:05:33They're not sitting on some vast store of natural resources that they can, plus the human capital in these countries has become just a joke as well.
01:05:44So, you know, Russia is looking out and realizing that Europe is a limited military threat and they're an annoyance, more like a yappy little dog that is vicious but has no teeth.
01:06:03The situation in Ukraine, though, Russia is going to, it's going to be a military conquest.
01:06:15That's how it's going to end.
01:06:16We don't want to accept that.
01:06:18And the West is going to do everything they can to try to sabotage it.
01:06:21And the process of sabotaging it, you don't run the risk of putting themselves in the crosshairs.
01:06:26Right now, I think it's, I don't know how many thousands of Poles have died, but, you know, I've heard one number like 10,000 Polish soldiers have, mercenaries have been killed so far in the last three and a half years of war in Ukraine.
01:06:47Colombian mercenaries have really taken a big hit.
01:06:51British mercenaries as well.
01:06:53And, you know, Russia is going to, give them a chance, stay out or get killed.
01:06:59You know, it's that simple.
01:07:01So, Donald Trump's failure to appreciate.
01:07:11It seems that we've lost Larry.
01:07:15Colin, can you hear me?
01:07:17Yeah.
01:07:17Yeah.
01:07:18Yeah.
01:07:19Cole, what Larry was mentioning, it's so important.
01:07:24Yeah, we're back.
01:07:25Yeah, you're back, Larry.
01:07:28Yeah.
01:07:30It seems that something happened with your connection, Larry.
01:07:34I have no idea.
01:07:35Yeah.
01:07:37The NSA is playing with us.
01:07:40Yeah.
01:07:40The NSA.
01:07:42I don't rule that out at all.
01:07:44Cole, it's so amazing to me when you look at the conflicts that the United States foreign policy is confronting or is facing or is trying to solve.
01:07:57So, you look at China and the way that they're behaving.
01:08:01They're improving the relationship between China and Russia, between China and Iran.
01:08:08They're doing nothing to confront the United States.
01:08:13And you see that the leadership in Iran is getting closer to China.
01:08:21The leadership in Russia is getting closer to China.
01:08:24Do you think that is there anybody in the establishment in the United States to evaluate that, to see the bigger picture, to see what's going on in terms of these sort of strategic moves that are happening?
01:08:39No, not even in the uniform leadership of the military, which is now so enamored of Lockheed Martin and other big contractors that all I can think about is it's 10 to 12 years of retirement at a million dollars a year as an advisory board member or whatever.
01:08:56Brain dead Pentagon is what we got.
01:08:57So, the answer to your question is no.
01:09:00Now, there are some people out there.
01:09:02And by the way, your business about China and maybe that relationship not being anything but a thorn in our side, too, is emphasized more and more by the new president in Taiwan, who looks a lot like Chen Xiebun now, who is CSB, I'll call him.
01:09:21I'm making a mess of the Chinese, the whole time Colin Powell was Secretary of State, he would dispatch people to Taipei on a weekly basis, plus energize our ambassador there.
01:09:36It couldn't be called an ambassador, but Doug Powell was our man on the island, to disabuse them of what Cheney and Rumsfeld had told.
01:09:45That is, go ahead with your referendum for independence.
01:09:49We want to beard the lion in its den, you know.
01:09:51Well, this guy now is doing the same thing again, except he's not pushing the envelope across that Chinese red line of independence for Taiwan, but he's doing everything else that's possible.
01:10:03Trump needs to rein him in, just as Bush finally, on Powell's advice, reined in CSB.
01:10:09But he's not even looking at it, as far as I can tell.
01:10:12Well, his national security advisor wasn't even looking at it.
01:10:16So we're looking at a situation there where China is going to be more and more prompted to cross that red line, to take that as a red line and to move on Taiwan.
01:10:27Just to add to the perfidy and the, what shall I say, the incapacity of this circus to manage anything, anything at all.
01:10:37So, my answer to your question with regard to, can we survive this mess?
01:10:45Can we get out of this mess?
01:10:46No.
01:10:47And we're even adding to it by the fact that that's going on.
01:10:51We have forced Russia and China together.
01:10:53We've forced Russia, China, and Iran together.
01:10:55We're forcing the BRICS to be more competitive and more accelerate their movement.
01:11:00They will be replacing the dollar within the next two decades.
01:11:04I can guarantee you that.
01:11:07And we're looking at, as John Mearsheimer says, the inevitability of a war with China.
01:11:12This is great.
01:11:14The empire's trucking along on all eight cylinders.
01:11:16Larry, you think that Donald Trump, that you, I remember you, when Donald Trump was, he announced
01:11:32that he's going to be the candidate of the United States in 20, in the presidential election.
01:11:38We were so optimistic about him and his attitude.
01:11:40I remember we talked a lot about that.
01:11:42Do you see that sort of hope that we had in Donald Trump and his administration is fading away?
01:11:52Yes.
01:11:53I think he's done.
01:11:56I don't think he can salvage this now.
01:11:59I think he's on an inevitable path of collapse.
01:12:03And China is going to be the undoing for him because they're convinced themselves that we can
01:12:08compel China to kowtow to us because they need us so much economically.
01:12:13And, you know, the Chinese are more prepared to deal with this than we are.
01:12:23If for no other reason, their political system is that Xi Jinping is not going to be fessing
01:12:30a midterm elections next year where the Chinese people get the vote, whether they think he's
01:12:34doing a great job or not.
01:12:36Even if the Chinese people hate him and think he's doing a lousy job, he's got a security
01:12:41state that can, you know, stop them and stop the opposition.
01:12:46Donald Trump doesn't have that here in the United States, even though he might like to
01:12:49try to create it.
01:12:51And, you know, the Republicans are going to get absolutely crushed if this continues.
01:12:56I don't think there will be a big float of the Democrats, per se, but the chaos of people
01:13:05just being angry at what Trump has produced in terms of his policies.
01:13:11The Chinese are not going to surrender.
01:13:15And we're going to have major supply disruptions in this country.
01:13:18And there are already signs that the economy is slowing across the board.
01:13:23And once recession kicks in, then the financial problems that we face are going to be exacerbated.
01:13:29And all the while, we're pumping out all the, you've been pumping out this money into Israel and into Ukraine.
01:13:36Now, I think the bleeding on Ukraine will stop just out of necessity as the Ukrainian,
01:13:42it's very likely they could be facing defeat this summer.
01:13:46Their own, you know, Budenev, their head of intelligence, was predicting such that by June,
01:13:54Ukraine's ability to fight will be over.
01:13:56So we'll see.
01:13:58But, you know, Trump, man, he had a historic opportunity to remake the world in terms of
01:14:08genuinely secure peace with Russia, secure peace with China, secure peace with Iran,
01:14:14and bring Israel to heel to stop its murder of the Palestinians.
01:14:19Instead, he's managed to find a way to do the exact opposite.
01:14:22Colin, it's not just about us talking about it.
01:14:28It's, you look at the behavior of Russia.
01:14:31If you remember, Russia said they're not going to talk with Zelensky and his administration
01:14:36because they don't recognize Zelensky as the official president of Ukraine.
01:14:42But they're changing the rhetoric.
01:14:43They want to talk with Zelensky because they see, in my opinion, that Donald Trump is incapable of doing something with Zelensky.
01:14:52They see that maybe Europe has much more influence on Zelensky than Donald Trump has.
01:15:00And that's why they're changing their attitude towards Zelensky.
01:15:04Do you think that's the main reason or something beyond that, that Russia has changed its mind towards Zelensky?
01:15:10Whom are you speaking about?
01:15:12Ursula van der Leyen?
01:15:13Merz?
01:15:14Friedrich Merz?
01:15:16Starmer?
01:15:17Macron?
01:15:19Dead men, women walking?
01:15:21Yeah.
01:15:21I don't understand whom you're talking about because I don't see any potency there whatsoever.
01:15:29I read an article last night by a guy from Macalester College.
01:15:34Latham, I think is his name, Professor Latham.
01:15:37He's calling for a concert of power, you know, post-Napoleon.
01:15:44Much the same thing that I've talked about from time to time, a world of comedy, collaboration, and cooperation,
01:15:50which is essentially what Wang Yi and increasingly Sergey Lavrov talks about, too,
01:15:55like he did in Rio de Janeiro.
01:15:57That's the future.
01:15:58That's the future.
01:15:59But we're the impediment to that future.
01:16:01We are the impediment.
01:16:02And Europe, to a certain extent, our lackeys, whether they're breaking apart and hating us or not,
01:16:07they're our lackeys, is they're disciples.
01:16:12They're working on the same plan.
01:16:15I don't know how you have a concert of Europe when there are no instruments
01:16:19and no conductor.
01:16:21But that's what we ought to be aiming for.
01:16:24That's what I think Russia and China would be willing to aim for.
01:16:28That's what we ought to be doing for no other reason, if you will,
01:16:32than the fact that we can't beat the climate crisis nor deal with nuclear weapons
01:16:35without that kind of consortium.
01:16:38There's no way we're going to do it.
01:16:39There's no way we're going to survive without that kind of consortium.
01:16:42And yet, Vanderlyn and her crew and all the others who are, as I said, not representing their people.
01:16:49And by the way, their people are demographically disappearing, just like we are.
01:16:54I take that into consideration, too.
01:16:56You know, the Army can't even think about the future in terms of recruiting.
01:17:00It's so abysmal now, but the cadre of those to be recruited is going to go down by 15% to 16% because of demographics.
01:17:08So their pool is going to be even smaller.
01:17:11The empire is inalterably and utterly broken, and Donald Trump is presiding over it.
01:17:19If you ask me the question now, this moment, what do I think is Donald Trump's strategic objective?
01:17:25If I had the audacity to suggest he had one, I would say the destruction of the American Republic.
01:17:35Larry, we know that Zelensky is attacking Crimea.
01:17:39The drones, Ukrainian drones are attacking Crimea.
01:17:42And the question I asked, Colonel, it was if Russia is just getting nowhere with Donald Trump talking with Zelensky.
01:17:56That's why they have decided to change their attitude and talk directly with Zelensky.
01:18:02And if Zelensky would be capable of reaching a deal with Russia or making some sort of agreement if they talk directly.
01:18:12Well, Russia's always, you know, I think it's wrong to think that Russia has shifted its position of it.
01:18:19They weren't willing to talk to Zelensky, but now they are.
01:18:22Hell, they were willing to talk to the Ukrainians back in February of 2022, which is, you know, the reason Russia launched the operation,
01:18:33that special military operation the way it did was to compel Ukraine to come to the negotiating table.
01:18:38And it achieved that objective.
01:18:40And they actually had, you know, Sergei Lavrov told me personally eight weeks ago that it was the Ukrainians who brought the paper into,
01:18:50okay, here's the outlines of the deal, which included protecting the Russian speakers in the Donbass
01:18:56and a reduction in Ukraine's military force.
01:19:00And Russia said, great, they're going to sign off on it.
01:19:05There were still details to work out.
01:19:07But it was the United States that came in and told Zelensky via Boris Johnson, don't do it.
01:19:13So they stopped there.
01:19:16September of 2022, who issues the edict that it's illegal to talk to the Russians?
01:19:22Zelensky.
01:19:23It's not the Russians.
01:19:24So, you know, Russia's willing to talk to them, but what Russia's going to say to them is just like what the Soviet generals said to von Paulus at Stalingrad.
01:19:39You know, this is where you guys stack your arms.
01:19:42This is where you assemble what's left of your soldiers.
01:19:46They're going to dictate terms of surrender.
01:19:49That's how this is going to end.
01:19:51This is, they're not, it's not like they've got a disagreement over child custody and each parent has a legitimate claim to the child.
01:20:01No, no, no, no, no, no.
01:20:03Ukraine no longer has a legitimate claim.
01:20:07The Russians recognize that the Nazi ideology that undergirds the society and the celebration of criminals like Bandera,
01:20:18that's, that's, that's going to be eradicated.
01:20:21And one of the ways you eradicate that is it's, it's made illegal and people that propound those kinds of ideas and thoughts that they're going to be put in prison.
01:20:33Russia's, Russia's not playing around with this and the West assumes that they are, sadly.
01:20:39Colonel, one part of the problem in Ukraine would be the security part, which is, when you look at the Chechnya and Dagestan,
01:20:53you see the radicalism and jihadists and Russia together with Iran, they could achieve something in terms of avoiding the threat coming from Daesh, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, all of that.
01:21:06But it seems that what's going on in Ukraine, as Peskov mentioned, that the Ukrainian army is not totally under the control of Kiev.
01:21:17This has something to say about the security of Russia, because if the, if the government, if the Zelensky administration is not in full control of the army, who's in control of that?
01:21:30And is that going to be a new sort of jihadist radicals that they're going to leave on Russia's border for the next, I don't know, 20 years, 50 years that Russia has to deal with?
01:21:45I fear greatly that that that will be the case, and I'm sure Putin does, too.
01:21:51I don't think for a moment that were miraculously a ceasefire peace agreement to materialize, and everybody's happy with it for 24 hours, that Russia would violate it.
01:22:05Ukraine would violate it, all along the line of contact, as it were.
01:22:09They would violate it all the time, every day, 24-7.
01:22:13That's the kind of people live there, at least in some respects.
01:22:16I'm not trying to condemn all Ukrainians, but I had to deal with this country from 2002 to 2005.
01:22:24Corruption is the name of the game in Ukraine, and monopoly is the name of the game.
01:22:30Even Yulia Temeschenko had a telecommunications monopoly.
01:22:34When she came in, I thought, oh, a breath of fresh air, a woman.
01:22:37She was worse than the guy who preceded her.
01:22:39They're that way.
01:22:41So I would be really worried if I were Putin about the policing, as it were, of whatever agreement takes place.
01:22:49I'm not going to violate it, but they will.
01:22:51Yeah.
01:22:51Larry, just to wrap up this session, do you have something to say about the security and the case of the Ukrainian army being somehow divided?
01:23:06Well, you go back and look at the – so the United States embarked, you know, with the benefit of hindsight,
01:23:14the United States embarked on a sort of a comprehensive plan to try to destabilize and destroy Russia.
01:23:18One of the legs of that attack was promoting the Islamic extremists in Chechnya that carried out a 10-year war against Russia.
01:23:31Russia defeated them.
01:23:33I mean, Russia took some enormous casualties during that period.
01:23:37You remember the assault that took place on a school.
01:23:42They killed like 600, you know, kids and parents.
01:23:46It was, you know, just horrific.
01:23:50But, you know, Russia defeated them.
01:23:52And now today with the Chechen battalions and divisions that filled the Russian army.
01:24:00And Abdi Aledinov is, you know, a prime example where they – their love for Mother Russia supersedes their love for Allah.
01:24:12And, you know, I don't know how the Russians have managed to pull this off, but they have – they know what it's like to have to fight an internal war.
01:24:24Now, you're correct that there are those radicals in Dagestan and Chechnya, and those have made their ways into the radical Sunni movements.
01:24:35But, you know, Russia has proven that it could deal with that threat, and in a way that we've never proven.
01:24:46So, you know, I think it's a strategic consideration.
01:24:50Russia is, you know, they've really – to me, they provide an example of what the United States could be because they didn't waste trillions of dollars in overseas wars.
01:25:09Their money was devoted to rebuilding Russia from within, from the disaster that it was in 1999.
01:25:18And, you know, Putin deserves the credit for that.
01:25:22And I think that's generally appreciated in Russia that, you know, Putin, instead of embroiling them in unnecessary wars, rebuilt the society.
01:25:34But this war in Ukraine was not an unnecessary war.
01:25:39This is an existential threat to Russia because the plan of NATO all along has been to destroy Russia.
01:25:47I don't know if you caught, you know, the two Moscow pranksters, Vovan and Lexus.
01:25:53So they got this guy, Paul Massaro, who's, you know, he's a top U.S. guy on – at the OSCE.
01:26:04And he admits in there, Dal, you know, our plan, you've got to defeat Russia so we can go after China.
01:26:13That was what Wes Mitchell, you know, A. Wes Mitchell, Aaron Wes Mitchell, wrote in his paper that was published in the National Interest in August 2021,
01:26:22but had been submitted to the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessments in 2020.
01:26:30I mean, this is – this has been genuinely the plan of the United States.
01:26:34They view Russia as something we've got to destroy, we've got to break it up, and then we can go after the real enemy, which is China.
01:26:41And the fact that there are people in the United States that are actually thinking this way and promoting policies to that extent is – they're going to walk us into an ambush and we're going to get blown up.
01:26:56That's what's going to happen.
01:26:59Colonel, here is what Larry was talking about.
01:27:01I like what Larry said about Russia's learning how to deal with the Islamic terrorists.
01:27:08We have, too.
01:27:10We support, fund, and cooperate with them.
01:27:15Yeah, absolutely.
01:27:18Here is the segment that Larry was talking about.
01:27:22This is a tragedy.
01:27:46He feels that the way they did is to defeat Russia and then go after China.
01:27:50If you know a map, just a map, and you know what 11 time zones means, and you know the distance between – let's just take the border of Ukraine and Vladivostok – if you know the distance between now the southern portion of what is Russia to the Arctic,
01:28:14that's such a preposterous statement.
01:28:16Just geography alone screams at you that you're nuts, not to even mention the Russian people, who have shown throughout their history an enormous resilience to invasion.
01:28:32Yeah.
01:28:33Thank you so much, Carl and Larry, for being with us today.
01:28:39Great pleasure, as always.
01:28:41It's always a delight to be with Colonel Wilkerson.
01:28:46Yeah.
01:28:46Likewise.
01:28:48Likewise.
01:28:49I don't know about you, though, Nima.
01:28:50Yeah.
01:28:51I love it.
01:28:55Take care.
01:28:56Thanks so much.
01:28:57See you.
01:28:57Bye-bye.
01:28:58Bye.
01:28:58Take care.
01:28:58Bye-bye.
01:28:58Bye-bye.
01:28:59Bye-bye.
01:28:59Bye-bye.
01:29:01Bye-bye.
01:29:03Bye-bye.

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