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00:00Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Judge Jeanine Pirro, Harold Ford Jr., Jesse Waters, and Greg Gutfeld.
00:06It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is The Five.
00:17Welcome to The Rock.
00:20Alcatraz, one of the stuff of Hollywood movies like The Rock may be back in business.
00:24President Trump is seriously floating the idea of reopening the notorious island prison to house America's most violent offenders and even illegal immigrants.
00:33It's been shut down since the 1960s, but President Trump sees it as a way to combat what he calls radicalized judges. Check it out.
00:41Our country needs law and order. Alcatraz is, I would say, the ultimate, right? Alcatraz, Sing Sing and Alcatraz, the movies.
00:50But it's right now a museum, believe it or not. A lot of people go there.
00:56It housed the most violent criminals in the world, and nobody ever escaped.
01:02One person almost got there, but they, as you know, the story, they found his clothing rather badly ripped up, and it was a lot of shark bites.
01:12And we'll see if we can bring it back in large form, add a lot.
01:17It sort of represents something that's both horrible and beautiful and...
01:23Another game-changing idea, the Trump DHS offering to pay for illegal alien self-deportation flights and offer an additional $1,000 stipend to leave.
01:32Here's the president on that.
01:33We're going to pay each one a certain amount of money, and we're going to get them a beautiful flight back to where they came from, and they have a period of time.
01:44And if they make it, we're going to work with them so that maybe someday, with a little work, they can come back in if they're good people.
01:51If they don't work, and if we take them out after the date, then they're never coming back.
01:56So I want to go to our San Francisco correspondent.
02:00That would be Greg Gutfeld.
02:01You've been to Alcatraz twice.
02:02You think you're going to see this re-open in your lifetime?
02:05I was there by choice.
02:06It was our grade school and high school field trip.
02:11I think they wanted to scare us straight, but it was San Francisco.
02:14Didn't work.
02:16Well, I mean, that came out wrong.
02:17But you know what he's trying to do?
02:19I think what Trump's doing is he's trying to paint a grim picture for illegals who think they're going to wait this out.
02:25You know, is your country really as bad as Alcatraz?
02:28Maybe instead of seeking asylum here, you might think twice.
02:31He's trying to undo the perception of the incentives that were put in place that caused this unprecedented invasion.
02:38So, you know, sending them to Alcatraz is kind of a compromise between El Salvador and the Roosevelt Hotel, where they're staying at now.
02:48If you pay them a grand, okay, that's two or three days of room and board that they would already get.
02:55So, you're probably saving money by giving them $1,000.
02:58But what's interesting here is the number one concern that Trump ran on was illegal immigration, and he crushed it.
03:05So, the Democrats replaced that with judges.
03:07So, imagine you cross, you know, the finish line of a marathon.
03:11You break through the tape, and they say, sorry, that's not the real finish line.
03:15It's another 20 miles up there.
03:17That's what the Dems did.
03:18He solved the actual problem.
03:20The Dems, you know, they didn't want to build a wall to keep illegals out.
03:24Now they're building a wall to keep them in.
03:26And it's through legal means, which we know is more administrative than legal.
03:32It's the—I think that—I thought that we had agreed on the worst first.
03:38Didn't we all—I know we all agreed on the worst first.
03:40And then the Democrats decided that their worst is way worse than everybody else's.
03:46So, a Maryland dad, wife-beating human trafficker, didn't qualify as the worst.
03:51It's like they changed the boarding system.
03:53You know, Group A was the worst first.
03:56But no, the wife-beating human trafficker, he's in Group D.
03:59They're going to move him back.
04:00So, it makes no sense.
04:02It is interesting how the Garcia case sort of went away after the 18th count of domestic violence.
04:09Then they were like, well, maybe we shouldn't talk about this anymore.
04:12Judge Jeanine, reopening Alcatraz.
04:15I mean, I don't think it's going to happen in my lifetime.
04:17But, like, for example, you have to truck—or you have to ship everything in.
04:22And then you also have to, like, pull all of the sewage out because there's no way to do it.
04:27Let me tell you something.
04:28When I was a judge, I used to send prisoners to Sing Sing.
04:31If I could have sent them to Alcatraz, it would have been great because I came across
04:35some that absolutely deserved to be there.
04:38Donald Trump made it very clear it wasn't just for illegals.
04:41He talked about domestic terrorists, cartel bosses, serial killers, Americans.
04:46Let me tell you, I think the island location, the cold water, the shark-infested water, the
04:53isolation it represents, the fact that this is something that you don't want to go to as
04:59as a defendant, you don't want to be sentenced there.
05:02I know it's going to cost money.
05:03I know.
05:04But it's a maximum security location.
05:07You're not going to get visits by your family.
05:10They're not going to fly out there, get on a boat and go to Alcatraz.
05:13This is the worst thing you can do for a criminal defendant in the United States in terms of
05:18sentencing, and I think it's great.
05:21I think we need a supermax like this.
05:23We don't have anything like Al Salvador.
05:26And if the goal is to house the worst of the worst, he's got it.
05:30Now, we've got jail overcrowding in California, all right?
05:33We need more room.
05:35So that's one of the reasons, the historical continuity of this thing.
05:38And the surveillance technology that we can now utilize with drone surveillance
05:43and anti-tunneling that we've got down because of what's going on in Gaza, we figure that out.
05:49I think that this is a symbolic deterrent, and it's legendary.
05:55And in the end, I think that when it's only reachable by boat and helicopter,
06:00they're going to understand.
06:01There's no conjugal visits here, boys.
06:04Your girlfriend ain't showing up.
06:06I wish, Harold, that President Trump would try to keep Rikers open.
06:11Yes.
06:11Because when they close that, there's not going to be enough places to put all the criminals in New York.
06:16Well, it's good to be back around.
06:17I hope everybody had a good weekend.
06:18That's a couple things.
06:19And I frame the way I think about all of this in the context of Doge and other government efficiency.
06:25One, do we have a need for more maximum security prisons?
06:29I don't know the answer.
06:30We may.
06:31And based on some of the things that you've said, Judge, today and other instances, we probably do.
06:35We certainly may have a need here in New York.
06:38Two, what would be the most efficient location and the most efficient building cost for that?
06:43I would hope that we would apply that.
06:45I think that's what Mr. Musk and his team would want.
06:47In light of all of that, it just strikes me as hard to believe that Alcatraz, which for those who have seen it,
06:53it's a beautiful piece of real estate.
06:54It has a weird history and a tortured history.
06:58Al Capone was there.
06:59It was closed in 1963 by, of all people, Robert F. Kendi when he was the attorney general.
07:04You look at it there, and if you've been to San Francisco and you've been there before, you know what you're dealing with here.
07:09There's no doubt it has some security apparatus to it that's interesting.
07:12But the reason they closed it, Dana touched on it at the outset, because of cost.
07:16So if costs are an issue, it would seem to me that one of the things you're doing with prisoners or people who commit these heinous crimes,
07:22be they citizens or not, is you don't want to reward them by sending them to one of the prettiest pieces of real estate in the country
07:28and where it's so expensive for taxpayers.
07:31But that's just me.
07:32When it comes to what the president's doing on self-deportation, I support him 100%.
07:35I hope that $1,000 is enough.
07:37I think he's even wondering himself if $1,000 and a coach-class ticket is going to get people to self-deport.
07:42You give him $1,000, they'll probably show up with $9.60 because they've got about $40 worth of stuff on the plane.
07:46When they're like, we're looking for 15 volunteers, that was $1,200.
07:51I give him, I think what Greg said it best, I think we may not agree on all the details the way Greg described,
07:56but he's right in terms of this is a paradigm to undo the incentives to come to the country
08:00that were readily and abundantly apparent back before President Trump became president.
08:05Hopefully this works.
08:06If it doesn't, hopefully he tries something different.
08:08As I said, I'm always for trying bold things to get bold outcomes.
08:11And deportations of criminals in the worst first, it has to be foremost in the president's mind,
08:17as it has been now for the first 112, 105, or 106 days.
08:20I think one of the things, Jesse, on the self-deportation that is helpful,
08:24and that he said it, and he made the stronger point, and I think they need to emphasize this,
08:29is that if you take us up on this, and you do the right thing, and you go back,
08:33then you could have a legal path to get back here.
08:36So that might be the incentive.
08:37That's just a trick, Dana.
08:39We're just telling him that.
08:40Hey, you're off message.
08:42What is the message, anyway?
08:44I don't know.
08:44What is the message?
08:45The message is Trump forces everybody into his frame.
08:48The Democrats woke up on Monday.
08:50They didn't want to talk about illegal immigration.
08:51No.
08:52They had no plans to talk about Alcatraz, but they're talking about Alcatraz,
08:55and they're defending criminal migrants.
08:57Please don't send them to prison.
08:59It's exactly what Trump's trying to do here.
09:01And he looks like a creative problem solver.
09:04And then what Greg said, you have migrants now thinking,
09:07I don't want to come here, and other migrants who are here saying,
09:10now I think I should leave.
09:11No one has ever escaped except Sean Connery.
09:16I think, no, it's true.
09:17And Sean Hannity.
09:19Yeah, no, there's Frank Morris and the brothers.
09:22Frank Morris and the brothers.
09:23I forgot.
09:23I thought it was Nick Cage.
09:25He has a mandate for mass deportation.
09:28You cannot let the rule of law become a suicide pact.
09:31If you have 20 million illegals here, you cannot have 20 million hearings.
09:36So he has to either invoke more wartime powers acts, like he has, or the Supreme Court has to narrow due process.
09:44Because right now, it's a disaster.
09:47The pandemic.
09:48What did the courts say?
09:49We couldn't even go to church.
09:51Not that I was going to church.
09:52But if I had wanted to go to church, I wasn't allowed to go to church.
09:56The courts can't step in and say, you guys have to leave the country.
09:59These are emergency powers that need to be invoked because this is a national emergency.
10:04We had a demented president who allowed an invasion, and the courts never stepped in.
10:08Now we have a president with a mandate who's trying to stop the invasion, and the courts are stepping in to stop the president from stopping an invasion?
10:16That is crazy.
10:18Judge, I've said it a hundred times.
10:20We need to stop people from going to law school.
10:23The president needs to sign an executive order to put a 10-year ban on people going to law school just so we can figure out what the heck is going on.
10:33You know the other option for the president is just have Congress pass new laws.
10:35That's the most effective way.
10:38Good luck waiting for that, Harold.
10:39But that's how our society, that's how our world works.
10:42It's not wrong, but it's unlikely.
10:44Okay, up next, President Trump swatting down his favorite way to trigger the media.
10:52But President Trump's putting to bed his favorite way to drive libs crazy.
10:57The Trump organization is selling hats that say Trump 2028.
11:02Yeah.
11:02Are you seriously considering a third term?
11:06It's something that, to the best of my knowledge, you're not allowed to do.
11:09I don't know if that's constitutional that they're not allowing you to do it or anything else, but there are many people selling the 2028 hat.
11:17But this is not something I'm looking to do.
11:20I think we're going to have four years, and I think four years is plenty of time to do something really spectacular.
11:25But when one media hoax dies, another one gets its wings.
11:28The press is twisting President Trump's I don't know comment to make it seem like he's unsure about upholding the Constitution.
11:36Conveniently leaving out the full context of what he said in this NBC interview.
11:40Listen.
11:41Your Secretary of State says everyone who's here, citizens and non-citizens, deserve due process.
11:46Do you agree, Mr. President?
11:47I don't know.
11:48I'm not a lawyer.
11:49I don't know.
11:50Well, the Fifth Amendment sets this much.
11:52I don't know.
11:52It seems it might say that.
11:55But if you're talking about that, then we'd have to have a million or two million or three million trials.
12:00Don't you need to uphold the Constitution of the United States as president?
12:03I don't know.
12:04I have to respond by saying, again, I have brilliant lawyers that work for me, and they are going to obviously follow what the Supreme Court said.
12:15What you said is not what I heard the Supreme Court said.
12:18They have a different interpretation.
12:21Well, he's not a lawyer, Judge Jeanine, and that's why we elected him president.
12:25OK, a couple of thoughts.
12:29She says that the Fifth Amendment requires it.
12:31So, of course, I pull out.
12:32I carry this in my purse all the time.
12:34I don't know why.
12:35I think someday I'll be arrested or something.
12:36I'll take it out.
12:37Fifth Amendment is about a grand jury.
12:39It's about double jeopardy.
12:41It's about a person not being compelled to be a witness against himself.
12:45And you cannot be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process.
12:49It says nothing about illegal.
12:51So cut the crap, Kristen Welker.
12:53You're a good person, but you're wrong.
12:55That's number one.
12:56Now, the question as to whether or not a third term, we all know.
13:00He made it very clear.
13:02He said, to the best of my knowledge, you're not allowed to do it.
13:06End of this story.
13:07But they can't.
13:08They're all about imagination, fascination.
13:11Maybe you will.
13:11Maybe you won't.
13:13But then on this whole thing of Abrego Garcia, I went back and I read the Supreme Court decision again.
13:18They are interpreting it when she said, isn't he entitled to due process?
13:22Abrego Garcia was entitled, according to the Supreme Court, to be facilitated in his return
13:29only because there was a withholding order and he shouldn't have been deported because of the withholding order.
13:36Okay?
13:37Because he's MS-13 and they'll kill him with the other gang.
13:41So let's be clear about this.
13:43The Supreme Court never said in a Abrego Garcia case that due process is required for illegals.
13:49Can they get an immigration hearing?
13:51Probably.
13:52But that doesn't mean they go to court.
13:53And we can't possibly do it.
13:5520 million.
13:56We can't even get through trials in this country.
13:58And speedy trial is a reason a lot of defendants get out of jail because we can't even give the citizens trials.
14:06The I don't know hoax, Greg, do you think this has legs?
14:11No, it doesn't.
14:13Trump is the cat.
14:15And the media is just a ball of yarn.
14:17And it's refreshing to see because for the longest time, we were the ball of yarn.
14:22And the media was always poking and tugging and unraveling us for decades.
14:26Trump represents us.
14:27Now our guys flip the script and you get no sympathy from me.
14:30He likes playing with him.
14:31For example, you know, it was very clever about writing again.
14:35He doesn't have to run for a third term.
14:37Somebody else runs for a third term with him as VP.
14:41The president resigns.
14:43He's president.
14:44Then the fourth term.
14:46Then the fourth term happens again.
14:49This time, the advance goes, no, I'm going to stay.
14:51If I'm elected, I'm going to stay.
14:53They get in and he goes, oh, I have a heart ailment.
14:55Resigns.
14:55Trump again.
14:56That's four terms.
14:58Four terms.
14:59He triggers these guys more than the NRA.
15:02I feel like the media is like a junkie who doesn't know they've hit rock bottom yet.
15:08And Trump is just showing them every day.
15:10So maybe they can start over.
15:12He's basically pulling a one-man intervention saying, you guys,
15:15nobody trusts you, nobody likes you, why don't you give it up?
15:21Start over.
15:22Move to a new town.
15:23Speaking of third terms, Dana.
15:25And that is an interesting idea, Greg.
15:27I think you should run that up the flagpole.
15:29I will.
15:29I think you just did.
15:30He was asked about his successor.
15:34Watch.
15:34I think we have tremendous people.
15:38I think we have a tremendous group of people.
15:41We talked about a number of them.
15:43You look at Marco.
15:44You look at J.D. Vance, who's fantastic.
15:46You look at, I could name 10, 15, 20 people right now just sitting here.
15:51No, I think we have a tremendous party.
15:52So he name-checked Marco and J.D.
15:55So I thought this was very, very interesting because, one, I think it's good for him to
16:00put to bed the idea of the third term and just, like, let it go.
16:03And if the media continues to run with it, you can make fun of them.
16:05But I think that is settled.
16:07The fact that he said there could be 15 to 20 people who run, that was his first response.
16:13So you have an open primary on both sides.
16:15Imagine the stages for these debates, right?
16:1715 to 20 people on both sides.
16:19But then, in a follow-up, he says J.D. Vance or Marco Rubio.
16:22So that gives you a little palace intrigue.
16:25Now, we've just finished the first 100 days.
16:28Usually, you don't start talking about the next presidential election until midnight on
16:34the night of the midterm election in 2026.
16:36But because of the situation that we're in, the Democrats have absolutely no one.
16:41And Trump is saying, I'm not going to handpick a successor, at least not at this point.
16:45But that makes him more powerful, because then he'll be able to say, let me look around.
16:50Let me see who I like, who I don't like.
16:52And maybe he will, and maybe he won't.
16:53And that will be the intrigue and drive a lot of media speculation.
16:57I love palace intrigue.
16:58What about you, Harold Ford Jr.?
17:00I like palace intrigue, too.
17:01I'd take just a couple things, Judge.
17:02I think what she—Christine Welker, I think what she was saying regarding the due process,
17:07she was saying to Secretary Rubio, who did say that he believed that citizens and non-citizens
17:11were deserving of due process.
17:13And I think you could be right, but I do think the case down in Texas, where you had
17:18the Trump—
17:18I'm always right here.
17:19We do.
17:20We know that.
17:20The Trump-appointed judge who said the Alien Enemies Act cannot be used to deport these
17:25people without hearings.
17:26What the court is ultimately going to decide is what you said earlier, Jesse, which I don't
17:29fully agree with, but what you said, who has due process rights?
17:32Do citizens have it more than non-citizens?
17:34That's what the court will have to decide.
17:36A couple things.
17:37I'm glad the president was not shy about talking about a third term, the hats and all that kind
17:42of stuff.
17:42And that's him.
17:43He wants to continue to be relevant.
17:44If I were him, if you could do those things, you have that kind of authority to do it.
17:47Because after two years and a second term, you generally are a lame duck, maybe even
17:50after a year.
17:51This president certainly won't be, because he's made it clear he's going to involve himself
17:55on who is his successor.
17:57What I was most interested in in the Welker interview was something a little different.
17:59He said something there about tariffs and our economy.
18:03And he said, you know, maybe kids today have too many toys and too many dolls.
18:08And that might be true.
18:10But what I was hoping he might say, in addition to that, because normally when you hear presidents
18:14say things like that, and they're asking the country to sacrifice, they're asking us to
18:17sacrifice on the part of making our country better.
18:19Kennedy said, ask not what your country can do for you, but instead what you can do for
18:23your country.
18:24I mean, if we're trying to make the country better by asking for more welders and electricians
18:28and engineers and nurse practitioners, and maybe even air traffic controllers, and said
18:31we have to sacrifice a bit for that, that'd be great.
18:34But what I didn't hear, and what troubled me slightly, is that if we're going to ask
18:37middle class and working class people to not give as many birthday gifts or Christmas
18:41gifts, which might be fine, why not ask billionaires not to, is three planes enough?
18:46Is three yachts enough?
18:48Are four homes enough?
18:49And say that we're going to take that money and pay down our debt.
18:51I just don't think the very people, Mr. President, who made you president this second
18:55time, working class Americans, don't just ask them to sacrifice.
18:58Isn't he talking about cheap goods out of China?
19:00That's all he was talking about.
19:01No, no.
19:02He was talking, he said that price, I'm just quoting, you can play it back.
19:04He said, they don't need $30.
19:07Maybe they'll pay more for two or three.
19:08So he's admitting, I believe, that's an acknowledgement, the price will go up.
19:11But look, I don't even mind it.
19:12No, I disagree.
19:13I think sacrifice is good for our country.
19:15But don't just ask the working guy to do it.
19:17How do you turn that into a class division?
19:20I didn't turn it, he said it, I'm reacting to it.
19:22No, you're turning it, you're saying he's only asking average people and not rich people.
19:26He is, because that's what he did.
19:27No, he's asking everybody.
19:29How many yachts are enough?
19:31How many homes are enough?
19:32How relevant is that?
19:33Look, we're not going to touch your dolls, okay?
19:36Harold, you are so creepy sometimes.
19:39You're almost 50.
19:41It's always good to be back around.
19:42Up next, the far left eats their own.
19:46AOC gets torched at her own town hall.
19:54The rudderless Democrats are stuck in a leadership vacuum,
19:57and it seems like no one is young enough or woke enough to lead the party.
20:01The DNC's vice chair, David Hogg, is once again calling on Democrats to ditch the old guard.
20:08Not just saying, well, if you're above a certain age, you shouldn't be there.
20:12Unfortunately, sucking is something that is not limited to being above a certain age, right?
20:17AOC is young and as far left as you can get, but even she's not woken up for the crazy Democrats.
20:23She just got heckled at her own town hall.
20:27I'm a foster worker, and I want to know what you're doing about the genocide in Gaza.
20:31I'm a foster worker, and I want to know what you're doing about the genocide in Gaza.
20:31I'm a foster worker, and I want to know what you're doing about the genocide in Gaza.
20:35I'm a liar.
20:37I'm a liar.
20:39I'm more than welcome people who disagree or are maybe even super pissed off for any issue to come.
20:48But we have some ground rules here, which is that please wait to the Q&A,
20:53I'm a foster worker, and I want to know what you're doing about the genocide in Gaza.
20:55You know, Dana, to be fair, AOC was heckled by one person about Gaza, and I got to tell you,
21:00I think she handled it well.
21:01I did too, and I just wrote down, she's in the arena, right?
21:04So she's not an inside politician.
21:08She's been out and about, and I know initially when she was first elected, she didn't come here,
21:12and her offices were not being very good about constituent service, and I think that's changed a lot.
21:17And also she's figured out a way to get some mentorship from Bernie Sanders, however that's going to work for her.
21:22And some more name recognition.
21:24She can raise a lot of money.
21:26But what's interesting on this one is that, you know, we've been talking about this David Portnoy situation
21:31where he had two young people about this heckler's age saying terrible things about the Jews.
21:37And he's like, how are we going to help?
21:38He's like, well, I could punish them, or I could send them on a trip to Poland in order to try to educate them.
21:45And I thought that's worthwhile.
21:47Now, apparently some of that is falling apart.
21:49I don't have all the details, but I just saw that in the commercial break.
21:52But what's interesting is that no matter what Trump does, the Democrats' numbers don't change.
21:57So Trump's numbers can come down a little bit, but the Democrats, they don't go up.
22:01Now, that might change at some point, but right now they are so generationally divided.
22:07And David Hogg, I'm sorry, like, where's the inspiration?
22:11Where's the ideas?
22:12Now, he also might be able to get those small dollar ex-posts sugar highs, but they're not leading a movement.
22:20Yeah, I do admire her, though, because at least she is out there and listening, and she didn't lose her cool.
22:25Well, no, she didn't, I thought she, yeah, no, you wouldn't have, no, Dana, you wouldn't have.
22:29All right, Harold, don't you think that Hogg has a point in wanting people who can actually win versus, you know,
22:36those people who are basically institutions in Congress, they're so old, they're in safe districts,
22:42they don't even get excited about anything, they just run and run and run.
22:46So, regret, I think you're right, but I would broaden it out, Judge, that's Congress today.
22:50Most of these districts are drawn, be it a Democrat or Republican, with the exception of about 30 or 40 of them
22:54that resemble a lot of what you're saying.
22:57I am over the self-pity for the party.
23:00I'm over the, we lost, we failed, we have shortcomings.
23:04Did we now have to get to, I saw, we were talking in the break,
23:08I saw the sports commentator, Stephen A. Smith, on a rival network over the weekend,
23:12and I like him personally and have met him.
23:14He was excellent this weekend, and I think if anybody, any Democrat or Republican or anybody wants to enter politics,
23:21it's worth re-watching what he did.
23:23He brought common sense to the answers.
23:26I won't give it away, but the punchline is this, common sense, humility, real energy, and the prospect of new ideas.
23:35That's what everybody, be it the young fellow who's now the vice chair of the party, be it, I agree with you and Dana,
23:40I thought that the way the Congresswoman handled the, handled her town hall was the right way to do it,
23:46let everybody come.
23:47But people who come to town halls also have to show respect for other people there,
23:50as well as the person who is your representative.
23:53So my takeaway, right, Stephen A. Smith, I thought he had it just right this weekend.
23:57All right. Jesse, doesn't it seem that whenever a Democrat comes up with an idea that might benefit the Dems,
24:04that, you know, they see it, they see him as the enemy.
24:08So, for example, Bill Maher, you know, I had dinner with Trump, you know, he was, he was a pretty polite guy or whatever.
24:15And they're like, you're MAGA. Or who's the guy? Dean Phillips. You know, oh, he's, you know, he says Biden is too weak,
24:23and they, like, got rid of him. And then Carville. You're all preachy females. And then, you know, they trash him.
24:29They don't listen to people who are trying to help them.
24:32Well, they don't debate. You're not allowed to debate if you're a Democrat.
24:35You just have to stick to the script and power on.
24:38That's worked before, but it doesn't work anymore. Not in this media environment.
24:42But the youth factor is interesting because Reagan and Trump, very old, JFK and Clinton, very young.
24:48And they were both, all of them, very effective presidents. So age is just a number.
24:54I wouldn't tell you that in the courtroom, but age is just a number.
24:58Hogg is talking about a youthful spirit. Trump has it. Energy, tenaciousness, ideas, heaven forbid.
25:05And then he ceded his administration with mostly young people.
25:09But they have to purge woke from the party, or at least neutralize it.
25:15And political parties have done that before.
25:17Clinton purged the socialists. Bush 43 purged the isolationist wing
25:23and the libertarian wing of the Republican Party during his eight years.
25:27It can be done. It just needs to be done now.
25:30We have purged people from this show.
25:35Go to Greg.
25:37Yeah, I'm going to Greg. Greg, go, well, actually.
25:40I'm an expert on that.
25:43You know, I think it's bigger than wokeness.
25:45It's the entire foundation of the Democrat Party.
25:48What is scary to Democrats is a black plumber agreeing with a white trucker
25:53or a Hispanic cop agreeing with a gay tech nerd.
25:57That freaks him out because those stances are based on ideas and not identity.
26:04So we hear the media, and we will sometimes say this, that like, ah, political divisiveness
26:09is so bad. It's so awful.
26:11We say it out of context.
26:13It's political divisiveness that beats racial, age, gender, and class divisiveness.
26:19It's better to be politically divisive than it is in any other realm, because then it's
26:25no longer possible for the Dems to look at your skin color or your gender and say, you're
26:31this or you're that.
26:32A black athlete and a Hispanic truck driver, a white cop, we can all share the same politics.
26:38And the media pretends to hate, oh, actually, they do hate political divisiveness because
26:45it will break everything up into idea-based differences, not race, not gender.
26:52And it's so much easier if you can just say, you're black, you believe this, you're gay,
26:56you believe this.
26:58When you see me, what do you see?
27:00I see a beautiful man, I see a beautiful young man, a wonderful father.
27:04Time's the end of the year.
27:05Yeah, yeah.
27:06Looking for another in-your-face Herald, that's what he thinks.
27:09I don't see your color, Herald, if that's what you mean.
27:12We all love you, Herald.
27:14Ahead, Jen Psaki explodes over questions about a Biden brain cover-up.
27:23More fallout from Joe's cranial Chernobyl.
27:27Biden's aides wanted the big guy to take a cognitive test.
27:30Confident he'd pass, but ultimately ruled against it.
27:33That's because, quote, they worried that the mere fact of his taking one would raise questions,
27:37new questions about his mental abilities.
27:40Now, that sounds like a cover-up, but Jen Psaki thinks that's a loaded term.
27:45Cover-up is a very loaded term.
27:47People use that term as they relate to Watergate or the covering up of not sharing public information
27:54about a war.
27:54Yeah, and I'm not accusing anybody of a crime here.
27:56I understand, but other people have used that term, and I think it's a bit of a dangerous term.
28:00I never saw that person, not a single time, and I was in the Oval Office every day.
28:06That was on that debate stage.
28:08I'm not a doctor.
28:09Aging happens quite quickly.
28:10You know, Dana, imagine your house is on fire, and I run over and I go, Dana, is your house
28:18on fire?
28:18And you go, don't ask me.
28:19I'm not a fireman.
28:21You could see the houses.
28:22She, everybody could see he was demented.
28:24I think, also, remember, she left at a time, like, pretty early on.
28:29She didn't stay for that long.
28:30And I do think that, based on reporting, that he got a lot worse after that.
28:35But still, like, even in 2020, you have people now looking back going, well, yeah, you should
28:39have seen him in this meeting that we had, et cetera.
28:41And I think, actually, the dangerous thing is not what you label the situation, but it's
28:47about the fact that they had somebody who they knew was not capable, who was there, and
28:53he is the person elected to make split-second decisions of our own national security life
28:59and death.
28:59That is what is super dangerous, and they have to deal with it.
29:03Also, Ron Klain was right.
29:05He tells David Axelrod, basically, he said, shut up, because Obama can't run again.
29:11And so, who else is going to do it?
29:13And what's interesting is that, this kind of goes back to the A&B block, that Obama was
29:18able to overcome the Democrats' Clinton problem.
29:22There is no Democrat yet that has overcome Obama.
29:26But Obama is not coming to rescue you.
29:29So, the Democrats have to figure that out, and they're in the middle of that now.
29:32Yeah, they were hoping for Michelle.
29:34What are you two kids doing over there?
29:36This is a family show.
29:40Oh, my, IFB fell off.
29:42But, but, Judge, shouldn't there be?
29:44I'm so glad you called on me.
29:45Can I talk?
29:46Yes.
29:46Okay, good.
29:47Okay.
29:48Now, Jen Psaki, she's a smart girl.
29:50Lady, sorry, smart lady.
29:52Okay.
29:52I want to read all the prominent Biden gaffes when she was a press secretary.
29:57Number one, March 2021, forgetting the secretary of defense's name.
30:01A week later, in the Air Force One stairs incident, where he tripped three times, and
30:07they tried to say it was the wind blowing.
30:09Okay?
30:09March 25th, he had a lot of awkward pauses at a formal press conference.
30:15He wandered off topic and kept saying, let me circle back.
30:18He was lost.
30:19Then, June 14th, he had the closed-eye moment when he was at the G7 summit.
30:25He appeared to fall asleep while the other world leaders were wide awake.
30:29June 2021, he mixed up Syria and Libya three times, and he said he could work together with
30:36Russia, for example, in Libya.
30:39And then on August 2021, he falsely claimed no one advised him to keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan.
30:45March of 2022, the Poland gaff while speaking of Warsaw, Biden appeared to call for regime change in
30:52Russia.
30:53April 2022, they had the Easter Bunny intervention where the Easter Bunny interfered and redirected him,
30:59which was symbolic of staff micromanaging.
31:02So, Jen, don't tell me you didn't know it was early on.
31:05So, Harold, in the green room, you said, you know what?
31:10I think you need a commission much like January 6th, but a real commission to look into the cover-up.
31:17And I thought, you know, Harold, that is an amazing idea.
31:20You said it.
31:21The same guy who did all the things you said, Judge, and I think you're right.
31:25I am right.
31:26He passed an infrastructure bill.
31:28He passed another...
31:29He did not.
31:29He passed another...
31:30You don't think he passed gas.
31:32He passed a chips bill.
31:33He passed another big spending bill.
31:36He was blocked from passing...
31:37He caused inflation.
31:38But he was...
31:38Who was running the government?
31:40And you know what?
31:41We still have it.
31:42The...
31:42Look, I'm just...
31:43I just want...
31:44All I'm saying is, the country has moved on from this.
31:47Don't we have it?
31:48Nope, nope, nope.
31:49You're still writing books on your side.
31:52But here's the thing.
31:53No one has to buy them.
31:54All I'm saying is, the country moved on by electing President Trump again.
31:58That's what elections are for.
31:59That's what a criminal would say.
32:00Hey, the crime's already done.
32:02Let's move on.
32:03Yep.
32:03I'm not saying you're a criminal.
32:05No.
32:05But you never know.
32:06I see my color now.
32:07Now I see what's going on here.
32:08Yes, yes, yes.
32:10So, Jesse, what do you think about the commission?
32:12Shouldn't there be a commission?
32:13Shouldn't we be locking Jen Psaki up for a long time?
32:17Well, first...
32:18Alcatraz.
32:18Send Psaki to Alcatraz.
32:19Send Psaki to Alcatraz.
32:20That's the best thing you said all day, Greg.
32:23The...
32:24I can't believe the conversation.
32:26You're going to tell the president he has to take a cognitive test?
32:29What if he says no?
32:30Yeah.
32:30You're going to have to convince him he has to take a test to prove he's smart.
32:34Mm-hmm.
32:34If you're asking the question, you already know the answer.
32:37Right.
32:37Dana, what if he doesn't do well on the test?
32:40That's what I'm saying.
32:40But if you're saying, sir, you have to take a cognitive test, you already know the answer,
32:43which is you shouldn't be president.
32:45Right.
32:45But let's go through the process.
32:47Okay.
32:48Say he gets a 7 out of 10.
32:49Mm-hmm.
32:50Do you release that test score?
32:52Passing grade.
32:52It's a passing grade, but it's a 7 out of 10.
32:55You say he passed.
32:56He passed.
32:57Passed, failed.
32:58Passed, failed.
32:59Okay.
32:59You don't say he aced it because Trump's bragging about having to ace it.
33:02Well, he got 100.
33:04Oh, yeah.
33:04Exactly.
33:05So people are going to ask, well, you know, Trump got 100.
33:07What did Biden get?
33:08And then if you won't say the score, then that's the cover-up.
33:11Mm-hmm.
33:11So I would just blackmail him.
33:13Yes.
33:13I would have the score here, and I would say, Joe, you're going to do whatever you want
33:16with me and my bank account.
33:18And if you don't do what I want, I'm releasing the score to Jesse Waters' primetime.
33:25Wow.
33:26That's how you blackmail a president.
33:27That's called wrong.
33:30Not that I'm into that.
33:31No, of course not.
33:32He's just, you're just hypothesizing.
33:34Yes.
33:34That was a fake opinion.
33:36Artificial stance.
33:37Yes.
33:37Speaking of artificial stances, 32 influencers on a yacht made for 16 people.
33:44What could go wrong?
33:49And not enough lifeboats.
33:52A $4.5 million Lamborghini yacht flipping over and nearly sinking off the coast of Miami
33:57this weekend.
33:5832 influencers were on board, but the boat only has the capacity for 16.
34:02And yes, they were snapping selfies as the Coast Guard rushed to save them.
34:07Mr. Exclamation point, what are your thoughts on this?
34:10Well, I mean, obviously, we should start with the bad news that happened because of this
34:13accident.
34:14They all lived.
34:17You know what?
34:18If you can afford a yacht, don't rent it out.
34:22It's just so pedestrian.
34:24I do not rent my yachts out.
34:26I don't need the extra, what, $30,000, $40,000 a day from these losers.
34:31No, no, no.
34:31I'll take it.
34:32I'll take the money.
34:34You know, don't rent out your yacht.
34:36President Trump has a theory about that, too.
34:39Ms. Perino, what are your thoughts on this?
34:41I believe just as in if you are skiing in the backcountry and you have to get rescued,
34:48you have to pay for that rescue.
34:49They should have to pay for their rescue because they had twice as many people on that shouldn't
34:52have been there.
34:53And now the Florida Fish and Wildlife Service had to go.
34:56And well, the Coast Guard rescued them.
34:58And now there has to be a total investigation of the incident.
35:00And I think all of them should have to pay.
35:02Alcatraz.
35:02Judge, insurance issues, legal issues here, anything you want to comment on in addition
35:07to the points that have been made?
35:09No.
35:10Actually, I think the owner was on this yacht, this Lamborghini yacht.
35:14And these kids are so clueless.
35:18There's one running around saying, I got the baby.
35:20I saved the baby, which was a bottle of wine or champagne or something.
35:24I mean, I mean, it's just ridiculous.
35:27Well, no, in terms of insurance, double or triple the number of people that should have
35:32been on that yacht.
35:33You know, it's called contributory negligence.
35:35Those are the words I was looking for.
35:36There's that segue to prompt time.
35:38What are your thoughts?
35:39I just feel bad because all the girls are going to get eating disorders now.
35:43Because, you know, you put all these girls on a boat and it sinks.
35:46They're all going to think they're fat.
35:47Oh, my God.
35:48Girls, you look fine.
35:50You're at a healthy weight.
35:51It had nothing to do with the capsizing of the boat.
35:54That is such a positive message.
35:55Thank you, Jesse.
35:56I know what they're thinking.
35:57I know how women think about their weight.
35:58One more.
35:59One more.
36:00One more thing is up next.
36:02You look fine.
36:03It's time now for One More Thing, Jesse.
36:13The Tunnel to Towers, great organization.
36:14I was at Hudson Farm over the weekend for a sporting clay charity event.
36:18Contributes to its vital work, including supporting the families of fallen heroes
36:22and provides assistance to those people who have made the ultimate sacrifice.
36:26We did some clay shooting, met some amazing guys, and our team placed first.
36:31Oh, yeah.
36:32There we go.
36:32Thank you, guys, very much.
36:33Tonight, Jesse Waters' primetime.
36:34Johnny was at the Derby.
36:36Watch.
36:38Journalism is racing.
36:39How's the fake news doing?
36:40Fake news is all around us.
36:43Oh, they invited CNN here?
36:44Did they?
36:45Are they here?
36:47Johnny thinks he's funny.
36:48Ah, well, he is funny and well-dressed Johnny.
36:52Judge.
36:52Getting all the ladies.
36:52Okay, so it's time for.
36:57Here we go.
36:58Hang on.
36:58Okay, last year Panera Bread debuted the classic baguette bag.
37:03Remember that green bag?
37:05Yeah.
37:05This year it's the croissant.
37:08Croissant.
37:08Croissant.
37:09Croissant clutch.
37:11The Panera croissant clutch is perfectly sized to fit an actual croissant, toast sandwich,
37:16and it's insulated to keep it warm for a delicious meal on the go.
37:20A hot bag for a hot meal.
37:24Wow.
37:26I don't have anything to show and tell.
37:28She's so happy.
37:29She brought her constitution and her croissant bag.
37:31I wanted to thank Ellis and Kenworthy from Homeworthy.
37:35They came and did a thing about the book.
37:36I wish someone had told me.
37:37They came to Bayhead, which is one of my favorite places, and it was a great thing.
37:42You can check that out at Homeworthy.
37:44The whole video is there, homeworthy.com.
37:46Did you show them what was in your fridge, like cribs?
37:48They asked me, and then I looked in, and I'm like, obviously, we don't have children.
37:51There's just a lot to drink in there.
37:53And the podcast this week, Pririno on Politics with Matt Gorman.
37:57Okay, Greg.
37:58All right.
37:59Tonight, we've got a great show.
38:00Guy Benson, Jeff Dye, Kennedy, and Tyrus.
38:04Hey, let's do this.
38:05In your face, Harold.
38:08All right, let's head to Myrtle Beach, my favorite beach in North Carolina, where Fat
38:12Harold's Beach Club is home of the shag.
38:16A two-person male-led dance characterized by smooth, six-count, eight-step pattern.
38:22They got everything from cocktails to shag dancing, but they're doing a lot of shag dancing
38:26this month, Harold.
38:27And I know you love to shag.
38:30I'm a shag.
38:32In your face, Harold.
38:34Your turn.
38:34I'm going to get me some croissants and head down to Fat Harold's.
38:37Congratulations to Katie Ledecky.
38:39She set the record again in 800-meter freestyle.
38:41She owns the 10-top record.
38:43She broke her own record of six cents of a second, which she established 10 years ago.
38:47The person that finished second in that race was 20 seconds behind her.
38:51Congratulations to her, Uncle John, and her family.
38:53She is a great athlete and wonderful leader.
38:55And a chick.
38:56You go, girl.
38:57And a chick.
38:58All right.
38:59That's it for us, everyone.
39:00Have a great night.
39:01You know, Harold.