Pakistani drones targeted multiple locations in India, including an Air Force base in Awantipora, South Kashmir. India responded by shooting down drones and targeting Pakistan's air defence systems.
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00:00We're just getting breaking news. The Indian Air Force has shot down a Pakistani drone in Awantipura in South Kashmir.
00:07Remember, there's an Air Force base there. And remember, it's South Kashmir where it all started.
00:11In a way, you know, with what happened in Pahalgam a couple of weeks ago,
00:17Pakistan's escalatory spiral began from that terror attack of the TRF offshoot of the Lashkar-e-Toyba.
00:25It began from there. And now you're seeing today, Pakistan, it's drones targeting or tried to hit the Awantipura Air Force base in South Kashmir.
00:36And that has been responded to by the Indian Air Force.
00:41So clearly, Gaurav, compared to yesterday, where remember, the Pakistanis tried to go to Jaisalmer, Jammu City.
00:48There have been many more new places in the border areas that these Pakistani drones have been used.
00:57Oh, absolutely. And this one has been able to come deep inside.
01:00Awantipura is South Kashmir.
01:03So all the way from the line of control, crossing through Central Kashmir, reaching South Kashmir,
01:09and taken down just close to the Awantipura Air Base, which is a very sensitive air base as far as the Indian Air Force is concerned.
01:16It just goes on to indicate, as the government pointed out, they're using the Turkish drones, state-of-the-art drones.
01:23And Turkey has done extremely well in their drone technology.
01:28Turkey has an absolutely outstanding aviation industry.
01:32They've provided a lot of drones to Pakistan.
01:34Their flights have been landing routinely in Pakistan.
01:37And this should be a cause for concern for policymakers if their drones can come in so deep.
01:42This is an indication that the Chinarkor headquarters is not very far, or the Victor Force headquarters.
01:48So all of this does make a very, very dangerous situation, as they did, Rajdeep, even in Leh, in Ladakh.
01:55I just want to make one caveat, though.
01:57Gaurav and I were on air last night till midnight.
02:00And I just want to say, and perhaps do a bit of a miya kalpa.
02:04And maybe we were in the studio, so please appreciate that it was an evolving situation.
02:10We spoke about F-16s being shot down, J-17s being shot down.
02:17There were those kind of reports which, as has turned out, are not true.
02:26And at least not proven at the moment.
02:28Not proven at the moment.
02:28We don't have confirmation on that.
02:30And purely as someone who's done this for years, I am apologetic.
02:34I want you to know that it wasn't deliberate by any stretch of imagination.
02:40The last thing you want is to provoke a conflict.
02:42All we want to do is report it as we are seeing it.
02:45And that's what we'll try and do.
02:47We will try and put even more filters to make sure that the news you get is authentic.
02:52There was talk of a Rajari terror attack.
02:54That was not confirmed.
02:57Turned out to be untrue in that case.
02:58I think we need to be more cautious.
03:00So, I think from Gaurav and my perspective, I think we are very clear.
03:05We want to try and give you the news.
03:06We may have differing views on issues.
03:08I agree with you.
03:09But on the news itself, we want to be very careful, cautious.
03:14But we will try and make sure that we get the right news.
03:17And remember, it's our reporters who are on the ground, who are giving you really the real factual information.
03:23None of them are even prone to hyperbole.
03:26And all of them are in very, very difficult situations.
03:30Please appreciate the terrain in which our reporters are working at the moment.
03:34Also, I might add here, we haven't done what many of the Twitter social media factory did.
03:39They said there was a coup in Pakistan.
03:41Someone said a Pakistani pilot had been captured, that the Indian army had got into Islamabad.
03:47So, we could claim that, look, we've tried.
03:50We've got a few things wrong.
03:52And I'm openly willing to concede that I will be more careful next time.
03:56But let's go to Kamaljeet Sandhu, who's joining us at the moment.
04:00Kamaljeet, you've been bravely there right through for the last couple of days.
04:03I met you in Srinagar as well.
04:04What are you seeing around you?
04:06We've just heard in Srinagar, Gaurav was making the point about the significance of these drone attacks targeting that Air Force base in Avantipura, which has been repelled.
04:19Well, blast sounds are being heard in Srinagar at this point of time.
04:22But let me tell you, I'm at line of control and situation is no different.
04:26And it seems even in Avantipura in South Kashmir, which is an army base, this is where also loud sounds were heard.
04:34And what we've been told is that the drone drones tried to actually attack that particular site.
04:39And it was not only fended off, it was neutralized.
04:42And at least 15, 20 drones were fired.
04:45So, where we are, whatever drones we have sighted, they come in swarms.
04:49And this is where what we've seen is an immediate action of the air defense system.
04:54And those drones are really brought down.
04:56Now, is this sort of a mischief?
04:58That is a big question because it seems that these particular drones are without the payload.
05:03Remember, the firing has not been done by the drones or at least not been sighted by any of us at this point of time.
05:09But clearly, there seems to be an escalation because remember, this is what has happened just about yesterday.
05:14Today, again, multiple states, multiple cities where drones are being sighted.
05:18So, this is a sort of a provocation coming in from Pakistan.
05:22They definitely have something in mind.
05:24And remember, the sort of statements coming in either from DGISPR or from the Defense Minister.
05:30This is very clear that they want something more to come, especially from this particular situation.
05:35So, there has been an escalation from Pakistan's side because clearly, they're not stopping at just about one particular evening.
05:43This is the second one where drones have been sent in.
05:46This is to create chaos and confusion.
05:48But meanwhile, what has happened is not just a coordinated blackout happening in different cities.
05:54There's a big security grid response happening to these particular drone attacks at this point of time.
06:01But clearly, no casualty, no damage reported so far.
06:04But the drones have been brought down one after the other.
06:07And what is being reported is both in Jammu Kashmir and Punjab were multiple drone sightings seen in different locations, both at line of control and near the international border.
06:18You know, Rajdeep, what's also very significant at this point of time was an infiltration attempt this morning, which was caught on camera.
06:25And according to the border security force, these were seven, a group of seven Jaishya Mohammed terrorists who were trying to infiltrate.
06:33They were spotted on camera through the handheld thermal images and neutralized.
06:37So, there is threat not just of Pakistani drones, but Pakistani terrorists too.
06:42And that's been a familiar practice that the Pakistanis have adopted, isn't it?
06:46That they've used cross-border shelling in the past to push in infiltration.
06:51And they've done it usually soon after the snows melt every year over the years in Jammu and Kashmir.
06:57They attempted it this morning, as Gaurav says, and that was foiled.
07:00So, clearly, Pakistan attempting to provoke India into escalating this conflict.
07:07The question is, how long can India then adopt this policy of restraint?
07:12It's been very restrained in terms of singling out terror infrastructure at the outset and giving measured retaliation subsequently.
07:20Of course, in TV channels, if I may add, people have gone on to Karachi port.
07:25But, you know, it is embarrassing at one level when you see some of the stuff done on TV channels.
07:31But the government of India has been far more restrained in making sure that their attacks have been proportionate, measured and focused.
07:39And for effect, for example, taking down Pakistan's air defense system.
07:43In Lahore.
07:43In Lahore and at a contornment this morning, which was confirmed officially by the government.
07:48And we are only giving out information that the government has officially confirmed that another air defense radar was taken down.
07:55And Rajdeep, this Pakistan cannot replace very quickly.
07:58So, the effort is to not just degrade their warfighting capability.
08:02Should there be an escalation, then you punched a hole in Pakistan's defenses.
08:07One of the points that Fareed Zakaria made, though, in that interview, which troubled me,
08:11is when he mentioned the fact that at the moment,
08:14the back-channel communication between India and Pakistan is non-existent.
08:18One of the advantages that we had in the past was an effective back-channel that existed at different levels between India and Pakistan.
08:26That's non-existent.
08:27So, who's going to come and talk to the two countries?
08:31Really, the United States has almost washed its hands off.
08:34They want India and Pakistan to mutually stop this.
08:37Now, that's not easy in the circumstances, given that Pakistan is constantly provoking India.
08:43As we've been saying, Prime Minister Modi has met the NSA, has met Dr. S. Jai Shankar.
08:49But that's going to be a big challenge going ahead.
08:52How do you achieve that kind of diplomatic backroom talks that can bring down the temperature?
09:00In a moment, I'll be joined by a 1971 war hero, Admiral Arun Prakash will join us,
09:07one of India's most distinguished Navy admirals.
09:09And a fighter pilot who won a Veer Chakra in combat in that India-Pakistan war.
09:15He bombed Sargoda.
09:16He's like true, true war hero.
09:18That's right.
09:19We'll be talking to him about how can we de-escalate,
09:22how does one deal with the situation at the moment?
09:25Does one go up the kinetic action ladder?
09:27But that is a problem, isn't it, at the moment, Sandeep?
09:32Because you've got a situation.
09:35India opposes the IMF loan to Pakistan.
09:38The breaking news that we are getting, remember, India abstains from voting at that IMF meeting.
09:46India has opposed an IMF loan to Pakistan.
09:48Remember, Pakistan has had over a dozen IMF loans as a bailout in recent times.
09:54India has questioned IMF aid over Pakistan's poor reform record,
09:58warns of misuse of funds for cross-border terrorism.
10:01India has highlighted Pakistan's military's control over the economy,
10:06says repeated bailouts are risking the IMF's credibility.
10:10India has urged moral checks in global lending decisions.
10:14Now, that's an interesting way to look at it,
10:16because one of the ways that India has attempted to put pressure on Pakistan
10:20is use water as a weapon, keep the Indus Water Treaty in abeyance,
10:25and now trying to get the IMF also to put some check on Pakistan.
10:31Unlikely that Pakistan won't get that bailout,
10:33since it had been cleared at different levels.
10:35But at least India has made a strong point,
10:37that you cannot allow those funds then to be used to fund terror.
10:40You know, two things here.
10:42IMF is not a charity.
10:44IMF cannot give money,
10:45if that money, instead of going for the benefit of people of Pakistan,
10:49is fueling Pakistan's military jihad complex,
10:51and is funding radical Islamist organizations like the Jaish-e-Mohammed,
10:55who incidentally, Rajdeep, you know better,
10:57was involved in the killing of Daniel Pearl,
11:00a wonderful journalist working for the Wall Street Journal,
11:04who was beheaded by Omar Saeed Sheikh,
11:07and Jaish-e-Mohammed terrorists.
11:08So, Rajdeep, does that country deserve an IMF bailout?
11:12Clearly not.
11:12And that's Pakistan that says water is being used as a weapon.
11:16India is simply saying that we need that water for our people of Jammu and Kashmir,
11:20and it needs to be renegotiated so that it benefits us more.
11:24So, you know, it's not a weapon.
11:26It's something that needs to benefit our people more, Rajdeep.
11:30Dunilji Bhatt and Aman Bhardwaj Aavidash.
11:32Aman, can you tell us what you're seeing around you at the moment?
11:36You're again in one of the blacked-out areas along the border.
11:42Yes, Rajdeep, right now, there's a, from last two hours,
11:47there's a drone movement here in the sky,
11:49and there's a complete blackout in the city.
11:53So, there are reports from the, from the villages as well.
11:56There's a report from the village,
11:57Khai Femeke in Ferozpur, where three persons been injured after the object from the sky fell on the home.
12:03And after it caught, it caught fire,
12:07and cylinder of the home or the other objects on the vehicle caught fire,
12:12that's what the police and the family of the, of the, one of the village,
12:15Kheme, Femeke in Ferozpur,
12:18family has, police, family and police both have confirmed.
12:21So, there is a massive drone movement here in the sky,
12:25and after several intervals, there's a sound of siren and blasts in the sky as well.
12:31So, people here are worried for the, for the, for the time being,
12:35and what next they are asking by the text, by the calls,
12:39and also police, by, by regular intervals of time,
12:43they are making rounds on the streets,
12:44on the roads of this Ferozpur, because it's a border district,
12:47and among six other districts, it's a crucial border area,
12:52because in 1971 as well, this particular border, Ferozpur, has witnessed,
12:5720 villages at the border line has witnessed,
13:00the major escalations on the border line.
13:03So, it, it, it makes it very, very crucial and very sensitive also,
13:09if there's such movements of the drones in the sky,
13:12and there's a blackout in the, in the city,
13:14and there are incidents of fire and attacks in the villages that caught fire,
13:20and some of the accidents that got fire by, by this drone activity as well, Rajiv.
13:27Okay. Also joining us, Sunil Ji Bhatt.
13:29Sunil, you've really gone through a difficult 24, 48 hours.
13:34Has that drone firing that was around you a little while ago stopped?
13:37Right now, I am at an undisclosed location in Jammu,
13:47and even now, I can hear the sounds of siren,
13:51and intermittently, explosions can also be heard.
13:55So, that means, there is some activity going on in the skies.
14:00I am relatively now at a safer location,
14:02but even now, I can hear explosions taking place in the skies of Jammu.
14:09So, it's clear that it's going to be a very long night,
14:12and Pakistan is, Pakistan is,
14:14Pakistan is resorting to provocation after provocation,
14:20and earlier, we used to see that Pakistan used to resort to shelling
14:24in the border towns, in border villages,
14:26but now, even in Jammu city, drone activity is being witnessed,
14:30and we have already activated our air defense system,
14:34and with the help of that,
14:35we have been able to neutralize this threat,
14:38but for almost 20 to 30 minutes, there was a lull,
14:43but now, we are again hearing sounds of sirens,
14:47and intermittently, we can also hear sounds of explosions
14:50here in Jammu city.
14:52And Rajdeep, I have also, you've spoken to my sources,
14:57Pakistan has resorted to heavy shelling in the border areas,
15:00whether it's a line of control in Punsh district,
15:03or even in Jammu district's Aaraspura sector.
15:06So, civilian areas are being targeted by Pakistan.
15:09Pakistan is resorting to heavy shelling,
15:11and innocent people are being targeted,
15:14non-combatants are being targeted,
15:16and even now, I can hear sounds of explosions intermittently,
15:20and it's very important to note that Pakistan's defense minister,
15:25Khawaja Asif, in his latest interview to a news channel in Pakistan,
15:29has said that chances of de-escalation are now minimum,
15:34and war, full-fledged war, is the only option.
15:37So, Pakistan is rattled, it's frustrated,
15:40now it's issuing threats,
15:41and for the last two days,
15:46we are witnessing that Pakistan is sending drones
15:49to create mayhem in Jammu and Kashmir,
15:52but our troops are on alert mode,
15:55and we have activated our air defense system.
15:59Pakistan is biting dust,
16:02and we are foiling the nefarious designs of the enemy.
16:05We are getting our reporters to give us situations on the ground,
16:12from different parts.
16:13Just to tell you that those images we are getting are deferred images,
16:16we've been very cautious not to use live images,
16:18that's from Khai Feme village,
16:20district Firozpur,
16:22on the border, an object fell on a house,
16:24the diffused elements from the drone fell on their home,
16:27after which their home has caught fire.
16:29We keep saying this,
16:30innocents get caught,
16:32it's civilians who've suffered the most,
16:34there was the Ministry of External Affairs pointed out
16:37to a Christian-run, missionary-run school,
16:40where people were,
16:42the school was targeted by Pakistani artillery firing
16:45along the border,
16:46and people have lost their lives.
16:48There's a Gurdwara.
16:49You know, Gurdwara where people have lost their lives.
16:52Two children have lost their life in that missionary school.
16:56So, you've got a situation where civilians,
16:59innocent civilians are losing their lives.
17:03Let's go to Gurdaspur at the moment,
17:06along the Punjab border with Pakistan,
17:08where I'm joined by Moshmi Singh.
17:11I just want to tell you,
17:12Moshmi drove all night to be in Gurdaspur.
17:16She's quite remarkable in her energy,
17:18and I think,
17:20Moshmi,
17:20tell us what you've been seeing around you
17:23this night today.
17:29Right, Rajdeep,
17:30you know,
17:30we've been here in and around
17:32crisscrossing villages,
17:33and right,
17:34I can tell you at about,
17:36when the blackout started,
17:37we started hearing a lot of sounds,
17:40and it was raining drones,
17:43almost 15 to 20 blasts we heard in the air.
17:46We spotted some,
17:48and all of them decimated by the Indian Army.
17:52And we've seen in this border district,
17:56you know,
17:57there have been villagers
17:59who have been really looking at this imminent war
18:03that's unfolding.
18:05They feel that the war is coming.
18:07But at the same time,
18:09you know,
18:09there is a lot of resolve in them
18:12that they have to stand up to it.
18:15They are preparing for it.
18:17Even right now,
18:18there's a complete blackout
18:19in this entire area.
18:21We've also got our windows rolled up,
18:23and, you know,
18:24you spoke about driving all night.
18:26It's nothing, in fact,
18:27in front of the valor
18:28and the resilience
18:29that our forces have shown, Rajdeep.
18:32And, you know,
18:33almost matching that,
18:35and, you know,
18:35it's like a trickle effect.
18:38We've seen citizens
18:39in small villages,
18:42you know,
18:42how they are, you know,
18:44gathering, pulling up,
18:46gathering their energy,
18:48their stamina and courage
18:49to face whatever lies ahead.
18:53You know,
18:53the security personals,
18:55the civil staff,
18:56defence staff,
18:57just, you know,
18:58boosting their morale.
19:00And they're all up in,
19:01you know,
19:02very, very strong spirits
19:04here in Gurdaspur
19:05and the entire belt.
19:08You know,
19:09you've got, therefore,
19:09an entire belt, Gaurav,
19:11from Rajasthan,
19:12Punjab,
19:13Jammu and Kashmir,
19:14which night after night
19:15for the last 72 hours
19:17have been witnessing blackouts
19:18and have been targeted.
19:19It's those in the border areas
19:21who tend to suffer the most
19:22every time these attacks take place.
19:23Oh, absolutely, Rajdeep.
19:25I mean, look at this.
19:26It's 770 kilometers
19:27of the line of control
19:29from Jammu
19:30all the way to Leh.
19:32That's now impacted.
19:33It's 3,500 kilometers
19:35of the international border
19:36between India and Pakistan.
19:37That's impacted.
19:38And 24 airports being shut down,
19:41marketplaces shut down,
19:43these homes burning.
19:44It does impact
19:45your economy differently.
19:46But then there has to be
19:47a solution to dealing
19:49with Pakistan state-sponsored
19:50radical Islamist there, Rajdeep.
19:52And when you look at those images
19:53of Pakistan army
19:55attending funeral
19:56of terrorists
19:57of Jaisal Mohamed
19:58and Hezbollah Mujahideen
20:00and Lashkar-e-Taiba,
20:01that military jihad complex
20:03in Pakistan
20:03has to be dealt with
20:05somewhere, Rajdeep,
20:06even if it means
20:06going up the escalation ladder
20:08or perhaps not going up
20:10that escalation ladder,
20:11Rajdeep,
20:11that may bleed Pakistan
20:12even more.
20:13Should India go up
20:14the escalatory ladder
20:15or not?
20:16What lies ahead?
20:17I am joined at this moment
20:18by someone who,
20:19as Gaurav said,
20:20was a 1971 war hero,
20:22former naval chief,
20:24Admiral Arun Prakash,
20:26joins me.
20:27Appreciate you joining us, sir.
20:30Admiral Prakash,
20:31we are seeing
20:31in the last 24 hours
20:33growing escalation
20:34in this India-Pakistan conflict.
20:37Pakistan using drones,
20:38missiles to target
20:39Indian military establishments.
20:42India, in return,
20:43neutralizing Lahore's
20:44air defense system,
20:45radar systems.
20:46How do you see
20:47what's happened
20:48over the last 24 hours?
20:49Are we seeing
20:50an inevitable escalation
20:51in this conflict,
20:53Admiral Prakash?
20:55Well, escalation
20:56was something
20:57that should have been
20:58factored in right
20:59from the very beginning
21:00by our military planners
21:01and I'm sure it has been.
21:03So, India has delivered
21:05a message,
21:05a long overdue message
21:07that this nonsense
21:08of so-called
21:09cross-border terrorism
21:10has gone on long enough
21:12and it's time
21:13for the Pakistani
21:15deep state
21:16that is the ISI
21:17and Park Army
21:18to step back
21:19and stop it.
21:20So, the message
21:21has been delivered
21:22in the form of
21:23attacks,
21:24kinetic attacks
21:25on nine different
21:26locations,
21:27supposed to be
21:28hideouts
21:29or draining
21:30establishments
21:30of these
21:31terrorist organizations.
21:33So, that message
21:34has been sent across.
21:35Now, it is up to Pakistan
21:36to acknowledge it
21:38and say,
21:38all right,
21:39we've got your message
21:40and we'll do something
21:41about it.
21:42On the other hand,
21:42Pakistan could well say
21:44that, all right,
21:44you attacked
21:45our homeland
21:47and we are going
21:47to respond.
21:49I mean,
21:49that's a step
21:50that must have been
21:52taken into account
21:53by our military planners
21:55when they launched
21:55these nine strikes
21:57into POK
21:58and Pakistan.
21:59But does this
22:00escalation now
22:01worry you
22:01given what's at stake?
22:02You've said
22:03in a recent article
22:04that the initial wave
22:06of these kinetic attacks
22:07may need to be
22:08followed up
22:08with more attacks
22:09and the public
22:10should be prepared
22:11for attrition,
22:12loss of life
22:13and the distinct
22:14possibility of escalation.
22:16Are you worried
22:16that this could now
22:17spiral out of control?
22:21Well, it is entirely
22:22up to Pakistan
22:24because India
22:25had suffered
22:26long enough
22:28for far too long
22:29from these
22:29so-called
22:30cross-border
22:31terror attacks
22:32which were actually
22:33acts of war
22:34on the part
22:35of Pakistan.
22:36They were
22:36raising,
22:38training
22:38and launching
22:40these terrorists
22:42from their territory
22:43into our territory
22:44which is actually
22:44an act of war.
22:46So we've tolerated it
22:47for many decades
22:48but after
22:49UDI in 2016
22:51we sent a message
22:52then another message
22:53was sent in 2019
22:55the airstrike
22:56on Balakot
22:57in the hope
22:58that the Park
23:00military
23:01and the Park
23:01ISI
23:02would realize
23:03that they had
23:03overstepped the limit
23:05but apparently
23:06that message
23:07didn't go across
23:08and for the last
23:08five or six years
23:09they've continued
23:10with these activities.
23:11So this was
23:12yet another message
23:13a much, much
23:14stronger message
23:15and this time
23:16it was not just
23:17meant to be punishment
23:18but a message
23:19of deterrence
23:20that you know
23:21you've gone so far
23:22but no further.
23:23Now it is
23:24as I said
23:24it is entirely
23:25up to Pakistan
23:26to accept the message
23:27or to raise the level
23:29and come back at us.
23:31This is hostility
23:32this is war
23:33and once you start
23:34kinetic action
23:35you have to be prepared
23:36for escalation
23:37and escalation
23:39is also
23:39it depends
23:40how many steps
23:41on the escalatory ladder
23:42you want to go.
23:43I mean
23:44we've attacked them
23:45they may respond
23:46and then do you
23:47want to respond again?
23:49But I think India
23:49has very sensibly
23:50sent across a message
23:52that this is
23:52non-escalatory
23:53we've not attacked
23:55any military targets
23:56we've not attacked
23:56civil targets
23:57we've only focused
23:58on the terror organization
24:00and that's the message
24:01we want to send.
24:02So I think it's now
24:03time for the Paki
24:04the PAK deep state
24:06to sit down
24:07in a huddle
24:07and decide that
24:08look
24:09enough is enough
24:10and let's put a stop to it.
24:12Tough words from you Admiral
24:14once you go on the path
24:15of kinetic action
24:16you're effectively saying
24:17you're at war
24:18with each other
24:19but the big question is
24:20how do you step off
24:21the escalatory ladder
24:22is that going to become
24:23more and more difficult
24:24to step off this ladder
24:25as Pakistan provokes
24:27Admiral Prakash?
24:30Yes it is
24:31and I think we should
24:32be prepared for that
24:33I mean air defense
24:33if you are using aircraft
24:35to launch attack
24:36then their air defenses
24:37are
24:37our adversary
24:39so taking out
24:40their air defenses
24:41is a precaution
24:43that we had to take
24:44but escalation
24:46is inevitable
24:47Rajdeep
24:48I mean
24:48the two sides
24:50the politicians
24:51the statesmen
24:52I don't know
24:52if there are any statesmen
24:53on the Pakistani side
24:54have to decide
24:56that how far
24:56are you going to go
24:57when are you going to call
24:58the international community
25:00and say all right
25:00this has gone far enough
25:02it's got to stop
25:02because at the end
25:03of the tunnel
25:04you have to remember
25:05that both countries
25:07are nuclear armed
25:08and if this escalation
25:09goes out of control
25:10you know
25:11then the ultimate
25:13end could be
25:15a nuclear detonation
25:16and Pakistan
25:17has been known
25:18to be
25:18making irresponsible
25:20statements
25:21I think very recently
25:22their defense minister
25:23made some wild statements
25:24so I mean
25:25that is unthinkable
25:26a nuclear exchange
25:27is unthinkable
25:28so it has to stop
25:29well short of that
25:30and possibly
25:33some intervention
25:33some talks
25:35negotiations
25:35at some stage
25:36have to be
25:37undertaken
25:38you know
25:39you mentioned
25:39the nuclear issue
25:40is unthinkable
25:41but the concern
25:42will be
25:42it's one thing
25:43to establish
25:44conventional
25:44or reestablish
25:45conventional
25:46deterrence
25:46admiral
25:47vis-a-vis Pakistan
25:48the other worry
25:49is
25:49how do you ensure
25:50that an irresponsible
25:51Pakistani army
25:52state leadership
25:53is deterred
25:54from using
25:55this last option
25:56of nuclear weapons
25:57you know
25:58there is that
25:58overwhelming concern
26:00of some kind
26:00of miscalculation
26:02how do you
26:04stop this situation
26:05from escalating
26:06beyond a point
26:07at the same time
26:08sending a tough
26:08message to Pakistan
26:09well for 26 years
26:12our nuclear deterrent
26:14has been adequate
26:15and our nuclear policy
26:16has been adequate
26:17to deter Pakistan
26:19from any thought
26:21of using nuclear weapons
26:22so deterrence
26:23has held fast
26:24for 26 years
26:25and I am quite sure
26:27that it will continue
26:28to do so
26:28because for all
26:29the irrational
26:30wild statements
26:32that they seem
26:33that they seem
26:33to make
26:33I mean
26:34self-preservation
26:34is a very powerful
26:35force
26:36so if Pakistan
26:38starts anything
26:39even at the
26:40tactical level
26:40the response
26:41they will get
26:42India has stated
26:43quite clearly
26:44in its doctrine
26:44that any use
26:46of nuclear weapons
26:47whether tactical
26:48strategic whatever
26:49will invite
26:50an overwhelming
26:51and a devastating
26:52response
26:52so that is
26:54on the table
26:55that any thought
26:56of using a nuclear
26:57weapon
26:57no matter how
26:58small or big
26:59Pakistan will
27:00lose a city
27:02or a large
27:03chunk of its
27:04population
27:04so their
27:06pretense of being
27:06irrational
27:07I think is a
27:08big act
27:08no country
27:09wants to be
27:10you know
27:11sort of
27:12lose a huge
27:13chunk of its
27:13population
27:14so I am
27:14fairly confident
27:16that we will
27:17not reach that
27:17stage
27:18now how to
27:19get off ramps
27:20from this
27:20building up
27:21of tension
27:22on both sides
27:23where to get
27:24off gracefully
27:25is something
27:25that the
27:25statesmen
27:26maybe you
27:27know
27:27negotiations
27:28third party
27:29negotiations
27:29something like
27:30that has to
27:31be done
27:31we have sent
27:32a clear message
27:33a kinetic
27:33message
27:34that we
27:34don't want
27:35any more
27:35cross border
27:36terrorism
27:36the guilty
27:37party is
27:37Pakistan
27:38it is up
27:39to them
27:39either to
27:40accept this
27:40message
27:41and say
27:41alright
27:42we will
27:42think about
27:42it
27:43or to
27:43escalate it
27:44and then
27:44decide
27:45how far
27:45they want
27:46to escalate
27:46because if
27:47they escalate
27:47they will
27:48get harder
27:48and harder
27:49knocks
27:49from the
27:50Indian
27:50side
27:50that is
27:51inevitable
27:51one final
27:53question
27:53Admiral Prakash
27:54we have
27:54seen in
27:54the last
27:54couple of
27:55days
27:55Pakistan
27:55use
27:56artillery
27:56fire
27:57to target
27:57innocent
27:58civilians
27:58India
27:59has responded
27:59in kind
28:00not just
28:00the armed
28:01forces
28:01we have
28:01seen
28:02our
28:02air
28:02power
28:02striking
28:03Pakistani
28:04terror
28:04bases
28:04Murit K
28:05Bawalpur
28:06other places
28:06what about
28:07naval power
28:08you are seen
28:08as one of
28:08India's
28:09most distinguished
28:09naval
28:10admirals
28:11is naval
28:12power also
28:12an option
28:13if Pakistan
28:14chooses to
28:14escalate
28:15beyond a
28:15point
28:15well yes
28:17if it comes
28:19to that
28:19I mean
28:19if it's a
28:20graduated
28:20escalation
28:22then naval
28:22power can
28:23certainly
28:23because naval
28:24power takes a
28:24little time
28:25to have
28:25effect
28:26because it
28:27will affect
28:27the economy
28:27now
28:28let's remember
28:29when we
28:29think of
28:30Pakistan
28:31doing reckless
28:31things
28:32that they are
28:33a much
28:33smaller country
28:34smaller population
28:35economy
28:36which is in
28:36deep deep
28:37trouble
28:37they are
28:37taking loans
28:38only to
28:39pay off
28:39other loans
28:40they have
28:41ethnic
28:41problems
28:41huge
28:42internal
28:42domestic
28:43problems
28:43so they
28:44are not
28:45in a
28:45state
28:46to be
28:48overly
28:49aggressive
28:49and if
28:50this whole
28:51thing
28:51this hostility
28:52stretch out
28:53for a longer
28:54time
28:54then pressure
28:55can be brought
28:56to bear
28:57on them
28:58from seawards
28:58also
28:59their economic
29:00their energy
29:01their trade
29:01food etc
29:02much of it
29:03comes from
29:04abroad by sea
29:05so the Indian
29:06Navy can swing
29:06into action
29:07even before that
29:08the Indian
29:08Navy can also
29:09take kinetic
29:10action
29:10special forces
29:11they've got
29:12long range
29:12missiles etc
29:13so it all
29:14depends on
29:15what our
29:15government
29:15and our
29:16military
29:16planners have
29:17got in
29:17store for
29:18them
29:18there must
29:18be a
29:19planned
29:20escalatory
29:21you know
29:22calibrated
29:23step one
29:24step two
29:24step three
29:25so the
29:25Navy will
29:26have a role
29:27to play
29:27if it comes
29:28to that
29:28but in a
29:29longer term
29:29okay
29:30Admiral
29:31Prakash
29:31for speaking
29:32so plainly
29:32and clearly
29:33to us
29:33a 1971
29:34war hero
29:35appreciate
29:35you joining
29:36us
29:37very clear
29:37Admiral
29:39Prakash
29:39you know
29:41speaking with
29:41sort of
29:41clarity
29:43the big
29:44breaking news
29:44Pakistan
29:45carrying out
29:46raids with
29:46hundreds of
29:47drones
29:47more than
29:4720 cities
29:48of Jammu and
29:49Kashmir
29:49Punjab
29:49Rajasthan
29:50Gujarat
29:51they are
29:51being engaged
29:52according to
29:53AMI
29:53so are you
29:54surprised with
29:55the sheer range
29:56Sandeep
29:56that has been
29:57put in place
29:58here
29:5820 cities
29:59across
29:59about
30:01four states
30:02at the
30:02moment
30:02not at all
30:04Rajdeep
30:04in fact
30:04this is what
30:05Pakistan has
30:05been doing
30:06over the
30:06last two
30:07nights
30:07it's building
30:07up this
30:08pattern
30:08of predictability
30:09of drone
30:10attacks
30:12strikes
30:12all across
30:13the length
30:13and breadth
30:14of the
30:15northern
30:15and western
30:15borders
30:16over 3000
30:17kilometers
30:17it's
30:18demonstrating
30:19the fact
30:19that it
30:19can target
30:20all of these
30:21locations
30:22with explosives
30:23and possibly
30:23that is something
30:24that we should
30:25wait for
30:26and anticipate
30:27and take
30:28remedial measures
30:29corrective measures
30:30immediately
30:31and this is
30:32what Pakistan
30:33seems to be
30:34doing this
30:35you know
30:35by replacing
30:37small arms
30:38and artillery
30:38fire
30:39with drones
30:40and you know
30:42it's taken up
30:43the entire
30:44tension on the
30:45India-Pakistan
30:45border
30:46to the next
30:47level
30:47Rajdeep
30:48has Pakistan
30:51between last
30:52night and
30:53today taken
30:53it to another
30:53level
30:54so last night
30:55it was 36
30:56different cities
30:57400 attempts
30:59by Pakistan
31:00drones
31:01rockets
31:02and missiles
31:03today
31:03the night
31:04is still
31:04young
31:05Rajdeep
31:05this will
31:06go on
31:06till late
31:07at night
31:08perhaps early
31:09in the morning
31:09but early
31:10in the morning
31:11is when
31:12our systems
31:12will be
31:13absolutely
31:14alert
31:14because they
31:14could either
31:15try rockets
31:16missiles
31:16or maybe
31:17a fighter jet
31:18raid
31:18god forbid
31:20because there
31:20will be
31:21consequences
31:21should Pakistan
31:22seek to
31:23escalate
31:23but this is
31:24not just
31:24this is not
31:25yet
31:25escalation
31:26Rajdeep
31:27when you
31:27look at
31:28the escalation
31:28ladder
31:29either kinetic
31:30or non-kinetic
31:31this is still
31:32preparation
31:33for that
31:34escalation
31:34you're just
31:35trying to
31:35assess each
31:36other
31:36you're just
31:37trying to
31:37assess
31:37who's
31:38stronger
31:39where
31:39what will
31:40my next
31:40move be
31:41so in
31:42the chess
31:42board
31:42both the
31:43armies
31:44are now
31:44putting their
31:45pieces together
31:47and then
31:47the move
31:48will happen
31:49and that
31:49will be
31:49very sudden
31:50and then
31:50the escalation
31:51may just
31:52be very sudden
31:52but before
31:53that if
31:53you also
31:54notice
31:54Rajdeep
31:55systematically
31:56certain
31:57assets of
31:57Pakistan
31:58one are
31:58being taken
31:59down
31:59two
32:00as Admiral
32:00Prakash
32:01was telling
32:02you in that
32:02interview that
32:03he just did
32:04with him
32:04that there are
32:05other ways to
32:06bring pressure
32:06on Pakistan
32:07and the economic
32:08pressure is the
32:09biggest
32:0925th bailout
32:11from IMF
32:1225th bailout
32:13what if that is
32:15stalled
32:15the moment that
32:16is stalled
32:16Pakistan's war
32:18fighting ability
32:19comes down
32:20several notches
32:21won't be easy
32:23to stall it
32:23but India
32:24has made a
32:24point at
32:25that IMF
32:25meeting here
32:26there today
32:27the fear
32:27that the
32:28funds that
32:28are given
32:29to Pakistan
32:30are then
32:30used to
32:31fund terror
32:31is a very
32:32strong point
32:33India has
32:33made at
32:34that meeting
32:34Aman Bhardwaj
32:35is still
32:36with us
32:36as our
32:37Ashutosh
32:38Mishra
32:38Moshmi
32:39Singh
32:39our reporters
32:39have fanned
32:40out
32:41Aman
32:41what are you
32:43hearing around
32:44you
32:44has the
32:44noise
32:45died down
32:45these drone
32:46explosions
32:47that have
32:47been taking
32:47place
32:48for the
32:48last couple
32:49of hours
32:49exactly
32:54Rajiv
32:54from last
32:55couple of
32:55minutes
32:55the sky
32:56is calm
32:57now
32:58so there
32:58is no
32:59any such
33:00drone
33:00movement
33:00right now
33:01because
33:01initially
33:02at 8pm
33:03the way
33:03it started
33:04so it
33:04was just
33:05very tense
33:06for the
33:07people here
33:07in Ferozpur
33:08after which
33:09it lasted
33:10for two and
33:11a half hours
33:11after several
33:12intervals of
33:13time
33:13but now
33:14the recent
33:14development
33:15which
33:15that how
33:16this
33:16diffused
33:18drone
33:18injured
33:20three
33:20people
33:21in
33:21Khai
33:22Khamike
33:22village
33:23of
33:23Ferozpur
33:24and they
33:24have been
33:24taken to
33:25the hospital
33:25as well
33:26SSP
33:27has
33:27SSP
33:28Bhupinder Singh
33:29who is
33:29Ferozpur
33:30SSP
33:31has reached
33:31the sport
33:32he reached
33:32the hospital
33:33as well
33:33and he
33:34made the
33:34confirmation
33:35that how
33:35from the
33:36remaining
33:37of the
33:37drone
33:37that got
33:38diffused
33:38in the
33:39sky
33:39it fell
33:41on the
33:41house
33:41and
33:42the house
33:43then caught
33:43the fire
33:44and
33:44their vehicle
33:45their
33:46things in
33:47the house
33:48they were
33:48burning
33:49and they
33:49got injured
33:50themselves
33:50as well
33:51so all
33:51the three
33:52were admitted
33:53to the
33:54Ferozpur
33:54hospital
33:55but these
33:56activities
33:56are making
33:57somehow
33:58people more
33:59worried about
33:59the situation
34:00that are
34:01they safe
34:02are any
34:02object
34:03coming from
34:04sky
34:04to their
34:04home
34:05as well
34:05so that
34:06is the
34:06reason
34:06that this
34:07blackout
34:07is helping
34:09people around
34:09because
34:10their
34:10home was
34:11told to
34:12be
34:12that
34:13light
34:14was
34:14owned
34:15in
34:15their
34:15village
34:16of
34:16their
34:16home
34:17so that
34:17was
34:17the
34:18reason
34:18that
34:18somehow
34:19it caught
34:20fire
34:21or the
34:22incident
34:22took place
34:23but the
34:24whole story
34:25is still
34:25awaited
34:26that how
34:26they've been
34:27injured
34:27and what
34:29is the
34:29scenario
34:29in the
34:30village
34:30as well
34:30because
34:30here in
34:31Punjab
34:32Rajiv
34:32when any
34:32of the
34:33house
34:34in the
34:34village
34:34or the
34:35city
34:35got caught
34:36up by
34:37some of
34:37the accident
34:37or incident
34:38like this
34:39so people
34:39are very
34:40sentimental
34:40and they
34:41are very
34:41connected
34:41to each
34:42other
34:42so they
34:42are very
34:42concerned
34:43that how
34:44come
34:44this house
34:45got affected
34:47how people
34:48got injured
34:49today we
34:49visited
34:50Batinda
34:50as well
34:51where the
34:51missile
34:54hit the
34:55farms
34:56and people
34:57their home
34:58was very
34:59affected
34:59with the
35:01shells
35:02from the
35:02missile
35:03so these
35:04sort of
35:04things
35:04and people
35:05from their
35:05villages
35:06coming to
35:06their
35:06home
35:07they were
35:07asking
35:08inquiring
35:08the
35:09present
35:09scenario
35:10their
35:10health
35:10their
35:11condition
35:11because
35:12most of
35:12the
35:12people
35:13here
35:13in
35:13rural
35:13Punjab
35:14or
35:14Ferozpur
35:14or
35:15border
35:15area
35:15are
35:15villagers
35:16are
35:16farmers
35:17and
35:18they
35:18tend
35:19to
35:19witness
35:20these
35:20sort
35:20of
35:20things
35:21they
35:21have
35:21also
35:21witnessed
35:221971
35:23war
35:24they
35:25tend
35:25to
35:26witness
35:26the
35:27flood
35:28situation
35:28here
35:28so they
35:29are
35:29very
35:29connected
35:30to
35:30each
35:30other
35:30and
35:30this
35:31sort
35:31of
35:31scenario
35:31make
35:32emotional
35:33dent
35:33on
35:34their
35:34psyche
35:34that
35:35are
35:35they
35:35safe
35:36on
35:36the
35:36border
35:38drone
35:39activity
35:39you
35:39see
35:40here
35:40in
35:40the
35:40sky
35:41you
35:41see
35:41complete
35:41blackout
35:42the
35:44sky
35:44is
35:44calmed
35:44down
35:45there
35:46is
35:46no
35:46drone
35:47movement
35:47as such
35:47now
35:48the
35:48way
35:48it
35:48started
35:48but
35:49still
35:50it's
35:50concerning
35:51making
35:52situations
35:52sensitive
35:53and
35:53crucial
35:53that
35:53is
35:54that
35:54drone
35:55movement
35:55will
35:55be
35:56there
35:56after
35:56a couple
35:57of
35:57minutes
35:57or
35:57will
35:58it
35:58be
35:58done
36:00for
36:00today
36:01I'm
36:01just
36:01going to
36:01stop
36:02you
36:02I'm
36:02going to
36:04stop
36:04you
36:04Aman
36:05at
36:05the
36:05moment
36:05I'm
36:05going to
36:05go
36:06to
36:06some
36:06of
36:06our
36:06other
36:06correspondents
36:07as well
36:08let me
36:09go to
36:09Moshmi
36:10Singh
36:10Moshmi
36:11as Aman
36:12is saying
36:13there is
36:13fear
36:13naturally
36:14among
36:14the
36:14villagers
36:15there
36:15because
36:16of
36:16these
36:16drone
36:17attacks
36:18tell
36:18us
36:18when you
36:19have
36:19been
36:19talking
36:19to
36:20them
36:20is
36:20that
36:21a
36:21dominant
36:21emotion
36:22fear
36:22Rajdeep
36:28I've
36:28been
36:29to
36:29three
36:29four
36:29villages
36:30today
36:30and
36:31I
36:31can
36:31tell
36:32you
36:32that
36:32this
36:33side
36:34of
36:34Punjab
36:37you
36:37know
36:37the
36:38villagers
36:38are
36:39really
36:39prepared
36:40they've
36:40seen
36:41during
36:42the
36:43Kargil
36:43war
36:43how
36:44tension
36:45prevailed
36:46and
36:47most of
36:47them
36:47talk
36:47about
36:481971
36:49the
36:49elderly
36:50and
36:50say
36:51that
36:51we
36:51are
36:51training
36:52our
36:52young
36:52ones
36:52not
36:53to
36:54be
36:54scared
36:54and
36:55more
36:55so
36:55they
36:56have
36:56they
36:57are
36:57rooted
36:57to
36:58their
36:58village
36:59they
36:59know
36:59that
37:00they
37:00have
37:00no
37:00other
37:01home
37:01but
37:01this
37:02one
37:02and
37:02that's
37:03why
37:03I
37:03see
37:04a
37:04preparedness
37:05you
37:05know
37:05a
37:05mental
37:06preparedness
37:06when
37:07we
37:08talk
37:09about
37:09war
37:09or
37:10long
37:11haul
37:11as
37:11far
37:11as
37:12this
37:12prevailing
37:13tension
37:13is
37:13concerned
37:14I've
37:15seen
37:15ex-military
37:15personals
37:16training
37:17the
37:17kids
37:18if
37:18there
37:18are
37:19splinter
37:19bombs
37:19or
37:20if
37:20there
37:20is
37:20a
37:21blast
37:21what
37:21to
37:21do
37:22in
37:22an
37:22emergency
37:23we
37:23spoke
37:24to
37:24home
37:24makers
37:25today
37:25and
37:26they
37:26have
37:26been
37:26stacking
37:27food
37:27they
37:28have
37:28been
37:28stacking
37:28medical
37:29medicines
37:30and
37:31a lot
37:32of
37:32ration
37:33to
37:33ensure
37:34that
37:34they
37:34can
37:34survive
37:35for
37:35two
37:35months
37:36but
37:37the
37:37underlying
37:38factor
37:38is
37:38that
37:39they
37:40do
37:40appeal
37:41that
37:41there
37:42should
37:42be
37:42some
37:42talk
37:44and
37:44some
37:45sense
37:45prevailing
37:45as
37:46far
37:46as
37:47Pakistan
37:47is
37:47concerned
37:48they
37:48know
37:49that
37:49Pakistan
37:49is
37:50a
37:50repeat
37:50offender
37:51but
37:51they
37:51hope
37:52for
37:53peace
37:53that
37:53there
37:53should
37:54be
37:54talk
37:54across
37:55the
37:55table
37:55but
37:56if
37:57Pakistan
37:57doesn't
37:57learn
37:58from
37:59its
37:59mistakes
37:59and
38:00learn
38:00the
38:00lesson
38:01then
38:01they
38:01know
38:02that
38:02India
38:02will
38:02retaliate
38:03and
38:03they
38:03are
38:03ready
38:04for
38:05that
38:06that
38:06if
38:07things
38:07come
38:08to
38:08or
38:08not
38:08we
38:08are
38:08with
38:09the
38:09army
38:09and
38:10we
38:10will
38:10help
38:11them
38:12out
38:12shoulder
38:13to
38:13shoulder
38:13okay
38:15Gaurav
38:16before we
38:17go to
38:17Kamal
38:17ji
38:20systems
38:21that
38:21India
38:21is
38:22using
38:22to
38:22neutralize
38:23Pakistan
38:23drones
38:24Gaurav's
38:24going to
38:24explain that
38:25for you
38:25take a
38:26look
38:26so
38:30what
38:31was
38:31India's
38:32weapon
38:33of
38:33choice
38:34in
38:34fact
38:34there
38:34were
38:34multiple
38:35and
38:35this
38:36is
38:36actually
38:36India's
38:37big
38:37strength
38:38that
38:38Pakistan
38:39lacks
38:40made
38:41in
38:41India
38:41weapons
38:42made
38:42in
38:42Russia
38:43weapons
38:43I'm
38:44telling
38:44you
38:44about
38:44all
38:45of
38:45these
38:45in
38:46one
38:46go
38:46so
38:46I
38:46want
38:46to
38:47begin
38:47by
38:47first
38:48talking
38:48about
38:49the
38:49S
38:49400
38:50systems
38:51take
38:51a
38:51look
38:52at
38:52the
38:53world's
38:53most
38:54advanced
38:55air
38:55defense
38:56shield
38:56that
38:57India
38:57has
38:58the
38:58S
38:58400
38:59system
38:59and
39:00why
39:00is
39:00the
39:01S
39:01400
39:01perhaps
39:02the
39:02best
39:03long
39:04range
39:05air
39:05defense
39:06systems
39:06in
39:06the
39:07world
39:07it's
39:07better
39:08arguably
39:09and
39:10that's
39:10what
39:10those
39:11who
39:11use
39:11it
39:11say
39:11better
39:12than
39:12America's
39:13third
39:13system
39:14the
39:14terminal
39:15high
39:15altitude
39:16air
39:16defense
39:17system
39:17of
39:17America
39:18so
39:18the
39:19S
39:19400
39:19system
39:20as you
39:20can
39:20see
39:20is
39:21road
39:21mobile
39:21it's
39:22based
39:22on
39:23these
39:23vehicles
39:23that
39:23can
39:24quickly
39:24be
39:24moved
39:24from
39:24one area
39:25to
39:25another
39:25one
39:26are
39:26these
39:26canisters
39:27which
39:27have
39:27the
39:28missiles
39:29the
39:29other
39:29is
39:30the
39:30command
39:30and
39:30control
39:31structure
39:31and
39:32the
39:33third
39:33are
39:33those
39:34radars
39:34so
39:34they
39:35scan
39:35multiple
39:36targets
39:37simultaneously
39:38up to
39:38600
39:39kilometers
39:39away
39:40and
39:40can
39:40destroy
39:41them
39:41up to
39:42400
39:42kilometers
39:43away
39:43what
39:44are
39:44those
39:44targets
39:44that
39:44they
39:45can
39:45destroy
39:45they
39:46can
39:46destroy
39:46an
39:46incoming
39:47aircraft
39:47they
39:47can
39:48destroy
39:48an
39:48incoming
39:48cruise
39:49missile
39:50a
39:50ballistic
39:50missile
39:51an
39:51unmanned
39:52aerial
39:52vehicle
39:52multiple
39:54kilometers
39:55away
39:55targets
39:56can
39:56be
39:56destroyed
39:57160
39:58targets
39:59can
39:59be
40:00sought
40:00and
40:01destroyed
40:0172
40:02targets
40:02can
40:02be
40:02engaged
40:03simultaneously
40:04at
40:05various
40:05ranges
40:06so
40:06this
40:06is
40:06an
40:07amazing
40:07system
40:08no one
40:09in the
40:09world
40:10has
40:11better
40:11India
40:12ordered
40:12five
40:13of
40:13these
40:13systems
40:13at
40:14a
40:14cost
40:14of
40:1539,000
40:16crore
40:16rupees
40:16three
40:17have
40:17arrived
40:18the
40:18other
40:18two
40:18hopefully
40:19should
40:19arrive
40:20soon
40:20let
40:21me
40:21now
40:21tell
40:21you
40:22about
40:22the
40:22Akash
40:23indigenous
40:24air
40:25defense
40:25missile
40:26shield
40:26now
40:27it's
40:27a
40:27medium
40:28range
40:29surface
40:29to
40:30air
40:30missile
40:31defense
40:31system
40:32so
40:32we
40:32have
40:32the
40:32long
40:33range
40:33LR
40:34SAMS
40:34we
40:34have
40:34the
40:35MR
40:35SAMS
40:36which
40:36is
40:36medium
40:36range
40:37surface
40:37to
40:37air
40:37missile
40:37and
40:38this
40:38has
40:38been
40:38developed
40:39by
40:39the
40:40defense
40:40research
40:40and
40:41development
40:42organization
40:42DRDO
40:43along
40:44with
40:45BL
40:46BDL
40:47they work
40:48together
40:48on this
40:49the
40:49ranges
40:49are
40:50between
40:5045
40:50kilometers
40:51to
40:5170
40:52kilometers
40:52again
40:53they can
40:53engage
40:54multiple
40:54targets
40:55simultaneously
40:56packed
40:57with
40:57explosives
40:59and it
41:00has its
41:00own
41:01guidance
41:01system
41:01which
41:01incidentally
41:02is
41:03made
41:03in
41:04India
41:05let me
41:05now tell
41:06you about
41:06the
41:07ZOO23
41:08systems
41:09the
41:09Shilka
41:10self-propelled
41:11system
41:12with
41:12423mm
41:14autocannons
41:15it has
41:15a radar
41:16again
41:16this is
41:17made in
41:17India
41:18and I
41:18want to
41:18tell you
41:19so much
41:19more
41:19about
41:20this
41:20system
41:20because
41:21it's
41:22been
41:22developed
41:22by
41:23India
41:23in a
41:24way
41:24that
41:24it
41:24can
41:25and
41:25modified
41:26by
41:26India
41:26in
41:26such
41:27a
41:27way
41:27that
41:27it
41:27can
41:27take
41:28out
41:28threats
41:28up to
41:2920
41:29kilometers
41:29away
41:30and
41:30the
41:30rapid
41:31speed
41:31of
41:31fire
41:31of
41:31ammunition
41:324000
41:33rounds
41:33it
41:34can
41:34fire
41:34per
41:35minute
41:35upgraded
41:36with
41:37proximity
41:37fuse
41:38ammunition
41:38advanced
41:39fire
41:39control
41:40to
41:40take
41:41out
41:41even
41:41small
41:41drones
41:42lethal
41:43for
41:43UAVs
41:43it
41:44can
41:48light
41:49armored
41:50units
41:50are
41:50using
41:51this
41:51let me
41:52also
41:52tell
41:52you
41:52about
41:53the
41:53L70
41:54that's
41:54a
41:5440mm
41:55anti
41:55aircraft
41:56gun
41:56again
41:57modified
41:57domestically
41:58it has
41:59radars
42:00and
42:00sensors
42:00includes
42:01electro
42:02optic
42:02and
42:02auto
42:03tracking
42:03gear
42:04fires
42:04can
42:05you
42:06imagine
42:06240
42:07to
42:07330
42:08rounds
42:09per
42:09minute
42:09effective
42:10range
42:11once
42:11again
42:11up
42:12to
42:124
42:13kilometers
42:13away
42:14so
42:14some
42:15of
42:15these
42:15are
42:16much
42:16older
42:17weapons
42:17and
42:18systems
42:18but
42:18they
42:18have
42:18been
42:19modified
42:19within
42:20the
42:20country
42:21they
42:21can
42:21actually
42:22saturate
42:23the
42:23airspace
42:24with
42:24predictive
42:25firepower
42:26at a
42:30crucial
42:30briefing
42:31earlier
42:31this
42:31evening
42:32by
42:32Foreign
42:33Secretary
42:33Vikram
42:34Misri
42:34Colonel
42:35Sophia
42:35Qureshi
42:36and
42:36Wing
42:36Commander
42:36Byomika
42:37Singh
42:37India
42:38detailed
42:39how
42:39it
42:39had
42:40thwarted
42:40Pakistan's
42:41attack
42:42last
42:42night
42:42listen
42:43in
42:43on
42:44the
42:44intervening
42:45night
42:45of
42:458th
42:469th
42:46May
42:462025
42:47Pakistan
42:48military
42:49carry out
42:49multiple
42:50violations
42:51of
42:51Indian
42:51airspace
42:52along
42:52the
42:53entire
42:53western
42:53border
42:54with
42:55an
42:55intent
42:55to
42:56target
42:56military
42:57infrastructure
42:57Pakistan
42:58military
42:59also
43:00resorted
43:00to
43:00firing
43:01of
43:01heavy
43:02caliber
43:02weapons
43:02along
43:03the
43:03line
43:03of
43:03control
43:04along
43:05the
43:05international
43:06border
43:06and
43:07line
43:07of
43:07control
43:08drone
43:08intrusions
43:09were
43:09attempted
43:10from
43:10Leh
43:11to
43:11Sir
43:11Creek
43:12at
43:1236
43:13locations
43:14with
43:15approximately
43:15300
43:16to
43:16400
43:17drones
43:17Indian
43:19armed
43:19forces
43:19brought
43:20down
43:20a number
43:20of
43:21these
43:21drones
43:21using
43:22kinetic
43:22and
43:22non-kinetic
43:23means
43:24the
43:24possible
43:24purpose
43:25of
43:25these
43:25large
43:26scale
43:26aerial
43:27intrusions
43:27were
43:28to
43:29test
43:29the
43:29AD
43:30systems
43:30and
43:31gather
43:31intelligence
43:32forencing
43:33examination
43:34of the
43:34drone
43:35debris
43:35is being
43:36undertaken
43:36preliminary
43:38reports
43:38suggest
43:39them
43:39to
43:39be
43:40of
43:40assist
43:41guard
43:41songer
43:42drone
43:42of
43:42Turkey
43:43and
43:46joining
43:47us
43:47now
43:47on
43:47this
43:48India
43:48Today
43:48special
43:48broadcast
43:49is
43:50Dr.
43:50Tara
43:50Kartha
43:51former
43:51director
43:51of the
43:52National
43:52Security
43:52Council
43:53and
43:54an
43:54expert
43:55on
43:55matters
43:56Pakistan
43:57ma'am
43:57welcome
43:58with
43:59Sandeep
44:00Unitan
44:00stays
44:00with us
44:01on this
44:01broadcast
44:01ma'am
44:02what do
44:03you
44:03make
44:03of
44:03Pakistan's
44:05drone
44:05probes
44:06once again
44:07today
44:07they have
44:08targeted
44:08several
44:09cities
44:10virtually
44:11probe
44:11missions
44:11quite
44:12like
44:12yesterday
44:12what is
44:13Pakistan
44:14attempting
44:14to do
44:15in your
44:15appreciation
44:15I think
44:18this might
44:19sound a little
44:19odd
44:20but I think
44:20they are
44:21reserving
44:22their fire
44:23there is a
44:24lot more
44:25they could
44:25have done
44:26in this
44:27interim
44:27period
44:27which they
44:28haven't
44:28done
44:29I mean
44:30to us
44:30sitting here
44:31because we
44:31are unused
44:32to this
44:32right
44:32we are
44:33unused
44:33to
44:33anything
44:33at all
44:34anywhere
44:35close
44:36to this
44:36happening
44:36but if
44:38they are
44:39then they
44:39are in
44:39it for
44:40the long
44:40haul
44:41or it's
44:42a continuous
44:43nuisance
44:44value which
44:44they will
44:45inflict on
44:45you over
44:45the long
44:46period of
44:47time
44:47these are
44:48the two
44:48options
44:48they have
44:49but then
44:50what is
44:51coming up
44:51as you
44:52know is
44:52the IMF
44:53meeting
44:53which has
44:55IMF has
44:56its own
44:56what shall
44:58I say
44:58its own
44:59parameters
44:59its own
45:00what is
45:02the word
45:02what it's
45:03supposed to
45:04do
45:04it cannot
45:05by its
45:06charter
45:06fund a
45:07country
45:07which is
45:08at work
45:08that is
45:10I mean
45:10you read
45:11the IMF
45:11charter
45:11it says
45:13sound
45:13economic
45:14and stable
45:14policies
45:15is that
45:16what
45:16Pakistan
45:17is doing
45:17now
45:18so
45:19it's
45:20very interesting
45:21doctor
45:22the fact
45:22is
45:23India
45:23has
45:23abstained
45:24from
45:24voting
45:25I just
45:25read
45:26Jairam
45:26Ramesh
45:26has tweeted
45:27saying India
45:28should have
45:28voted against
45:29Pakistan
45:30and he's
45:32tweeted
45:32strongly
45:32saying this
45:33was an
45:33opportunity
45:34to say
45:34no
45:35to a
45:36loan
45:37to Pakistan
45:37now we
45:37don't know
45:38whether they'll
45:38get the
45:38loan
45:39or not
45:39but are
45:40you linking
45:40that to
45:41what we're
45:41seeing over
45:42the last
45:42couple of
45:42days
45:43I mean
45:43you seem
45:44to be
45:44suggesting
45:44that Pakistan
45:46is in
45:46for the
45:47long haul
45:47now that's
45:48worrying at
45:48one level
45:49are you
45:50saying
45:50every day
45:51they're
45:52going to
45:52try and
45:52do these
45:53drone
45:53attacks
45:53there surely
45:54must come
45:54a time
45:55when they
45:55realize
45:56that it's
45:57not getting
45:57them anywhere
45:58or is the
45:59attempt to
45:59provoke
45:59India
46:00into a
46:01wider
46:02conflict
46:03see that's
46:04what I've
46:05been saying
46:05on your
46:06channel
46:06that they
46:07have been
46:07trying
46:08the whole
46:08pattern of
46:10events
46:10has been
46:11trying to
46:11push you
46:12into a
46:12conflict
46:13and we've
46:14been very
46:15very careful
46:16we are going
46:16step by
46:17careful step
46:18step by
46:19careful step
46:19and they're
46:20trying to
46:20goad you
46:21but as
46:22of the
46:23last
46:23maybe
46:24I mean
46:24this is
46:25a 24
46:25hour
46:26developing
46:26thing
46:27I'm
46:28wondering
46:28if
46:29I get
46:30the sense
46:30they're
46:31holding
46:31back
46:31their
46:31fire
46:32they're
46:32not
46:32using
46:33their
46:33top
46:33drones
46:34you see
46:35so
46:35if
46:36they're
46:37not
46:37using
46:38it
46:38either
46:38they feel
46:39it's
46:39not yet
46:40time
46:41or they're
46:42not willing
46:42to escalate
46:43but
46:43till date
46:45from the
46:45date
46:46of
46:46the
46:47Pakistan
46:47army's
46:48chief
46:48the
46:48political
46:49speech
46:49to the
46:50Pahlkamah
46:50attack
46:51to the
46:51events
46:52as of
46:52now
46:52I
46:53didn't
46:53so far
46:54see a
46:55single
46:55step
46:55back
46:56so the
46:58only
46:58that's
47:00an important
47:00point
47:01that they're
47:01not taking
47:02a step
47:02back
47:02Sandeep
47:02how are
47:03you seeing
47:03this
47:03are you
47:04seeing
47:04this
47:05as a
47:05gradual
47:06escalation
47:07day by
47:08day by
47:09Pakistan
47:09to goad
47:10India
47:10into
47:11a wider
47:12conflict
47:13India
47:13showing
47:13restraint
47:14absolutely
47:15Rajdeep
47:15and I
47:15completely
47:16agree
47:17with
47:17Dr.
47:17Tara
47:17Kartha's
47:18assessment
47:18of
47:19the
47:19situation
47:20Pakistan
47:21seems
47:21to be
47:21holding
47:22its
47:22high-end
47:23drones
47:23as
47:24any
47:24military
47:24would
47:24do
47:25they
47:25would
47:25not
47:25expend
47:26it
47:26for
47:26the
47:27real
47:27conflict
47:27if
47:28it
47:28should
47:28break
47:28out
47:29so
47:29what
47:29they're
47:30sending
47:30out
47:30on
47:30these
47:30probing
47:31missions
47:31are
47:32really
47:32the
47:33low-end
47:34stuff
47:34the
47:34cheap
47:35Chinese
47:35drones
47:36that
47:36you know
47:36a few
47:37thousand
47:37dollars
47:38the
47:38kind
47:39that
47:39are
47:40used
47:40by
47:40professionals
47:41DJI
47:42Mavic
47:42kind
47:43of
47:43drones
47:43the
47:43same
47:44kind
47:44of
47:44drones
47:44that
47:44they
47:45use
47:45to
47:45transport
47:46drugs
47:47and
47:47ammunition
47:47into
47:48India
47:48and
47:48you know
47:49in
47:50Punjab
47:50and
47:50in
47:50Jammu
47:51and
47:51Kashmir
47:51that
47:52is
47:52the
47:52kind
47:52of
47:52probing
47:53missions
47:53that
47:53they're
47:53sending
47:54out
47:54these
47:54drones
47:54to
47:54test
47:55our
47:55defenses
47:55and
47:56of
47:56course
47:56they
47:56don't
47:57want
47:57to
47:57use
47:57any
47:57of
47:57their
47:58top
47:58level
47:59high
47:59level
47:59you
48:00know
48:00the
48:00cutting
48:01edge
48:01Turkish
48:01drones
48:02the
48:02military
48:02grade
48:03drones
48:03that
48:03they
48:04want
48:04to
48:04keep
48:04aside
48:04for
48:05a
48:05contingency
48:06which
48:07could
48:07unfold
48:07in
48:07the
48:07next
48:08couple
48:08of
48:08days
48:08but
48:08you
48:08know
48:08like
48:09I
48:09said
48:09earlier
48:10Rajdeep
48:10this
48:10is
48:10what
48:11they're
48:11building
48:11up
48:11a
48:12predictable
48:12pattern
48:13of
48:13activity
48:13drone
48:14activity
48:14possibly
48:15to
48:16lull
48:16us
48:16into
48:16some
48:16kind
48:17of
48:17complacency
48:18and
48:18create
48:19some
48:19kind
48:19of
48:19a
48:20smoke
48:20screen
48:20through
48:21which
48:21they
48:21could
48:21punch
48:22fighter
48:23aircraft
48:23or
48:23cruise
48:24missiles
48:24or
48:25what
48:25have
48:26you
48:26but
48:26it
48:26clearly
48:27demonstrates
48:28one
48:28thing
48:28Rajdeep
48:29that
48:29you
48:29know
48:29if
48:30you've
48:30seen
48:30the
48:31statements
48:31that
48:32have
48:32been
48:32coming
48:32out
48:32of
48:32India's
48:33side
48:33over
48:34the
48:34last
48:34the
48:34three
48:34big
48:35statements
48:35that
48:36Foreign
48:36Secretary
48:37Vikram
48:37Misri
48:37made
48:37over
48:38three
48:38days
48:38every
48:39one
48:40of
48:40those
48:40statements
48:40has
48:41an
48:41element
48:42of
48:42de-escalation
48:43built
48:43into
48:43them
48:44but
48:44despite
48:44every
48:45such
48:45statement
48:46the
48:47Pakistanis
48:47have
48:47chosen
48:48only
48:48to
48:48escalate
48:49to
48:49continue
48:49with
48:50these
48:51kind
48:51of
48:51attacks
48:52these
48:52kind
48:53of
48:53probing
48:53missions
48:54sending
48:54drones
48:55into
48:55Indian
48:56space
48:56and
48:57very
48:57clearly
48:58demonstrating
48:59their
48:59intent
48:59to
49:00play
49:00this
49:00in
49:01the
49:01long
49:02you know
49:03play
49:03this
49:03game
49:04over
49:04the
49:04next
49:04couple
49:05of
49:05days
49:05Rajdeep
49:06but
49:06you
49:07know
49:07if
49:07I
49:07may
49:07Rajdeep
49:08Dr.
49:08Tara
49:09Kartha
49:09Pakistan
49:10does
49:11not
49:11have
49:11the
49:11kind
49:11of
49:12funds
49:12that
49:13are
49:13required
49:13to
49:14be
49:14in
49:14a
49:15sustained
49:15conflict
49:16or
49:16is
49:17Pakistan
49:17being
49:18bankrolled
49:19you know
49:20the way
49:21Ukraine
49:22was being
49:23bankrolled
49:23to fight
49:24Russia
49:25with weapons
49:26being given
49:26by NATO
49:27are weapons
49:28being given
49:28to Pakistan
49:29as we
49:29very clearly
49:30see from
49:31the air
49:31defense system
49:32to the
49:32fighter jets
49:33to their
49:34long range
49:34missiles
49:35to their
49:35drones
49:36either by
49:37China
49:37or by
49:38Turkey
49:38and India
49:39made it
49:41very clear
49:41today
49:41that India
49:42knows
49:42they are
49:43getting
49:43their drones
49:43from
49:44Turkey
49:44so
49:45Turkey
49:45is playing
49:45a very
49:46dirty
49:46game
49:46here
49:47as far
49:47as India
49:48is concerned
49:48and China
49:49has been
49:49playing a
49:50game
49:50which is
49:50subpar
49:51for a
49:51very
49:52long
49:52time
49:52so
49:53are we
49:53then
49:53actually
49:54in a
49:54way
49:54fighting
49:55China
49:55through
49:56Pakistan
49:56that's
49:58a
49:58very
49:58interesting
49:59question
50:00as far
50:01as
50:02we can
50:02I can
50:03only go
50:03by
50:03evidence
50:04their
50:05weapons
50:05have
50:06come
50:06from
50:06Pakistan
50:06for
50:07years
50:07so
50:07has
50:07their
50:07nuclear
50:08capability
50:08so
50:09has
50:09their
50:09missile
50:09capability
50:10that's
50:10been
50:10going
50:10on
50:11for
50:11years
50:11say
50:12in
50:12the
50:12last
50:1310
50:13days
50:13what
50:13have
50:14seen
50:14we've
50:14seen
50:15statements
50:15supportive
50:16of
50:16Pakistan
50:17from
50:17China
50:17we've
50:18seen
50:19some
50:19excellent
50:20intelligence
50:20from
50:21Pakistan
50:21I don't
50:23know where
50:23that's
50:23coming
50:23from
50:24so
50:24I'm
50:24not
50:24I'm
50:25just
50:25giving
50:25you
50:25the
50:26facts
50:26as
50:26I
50:26see
50:27them
50:27they
50:27predicted
50:28your
50:28attacks
50:28two
50:29days
50:29ahead
50:30of
50:30time
50:31and
50:32some
50:33other
50:33experts
50:33as
50:34well
50:34their
50:35drones
50:35are
50:36the
50:37reason
50:37that
50:38the
50:38missiles
50:39which
50:39were
50:39supplied
50:39to
50:40them
50:40the
50:40PL-15
50:42long
50:43range
50:43air
50:43to
50:44air
50:44missile
50:44I
50:45heard
50:45there
50:46was
50:46a
50:46so
50:47called
50:47calculated
50:48leak
50:49which
50:49I
50:49saw
50:49I
50:50think
50:50it's
50:50a
50:50calculated
50:51leak
50:51which
50:52said
50:52that
50:52the
50:52missile
50:53supplied
50:54is
50:54not
50:54in
50:55the
50:55full
50:55range
50:55so
50:56let's
50:56see
50:56where
50:57that
50:57goes
50:57I
50:58honestly
50:59don't
51:00think
51:00China
51:00would
51:00want
51:01us
51:01to
51:01go
51:01to
51:01open
51:02war
51:02but
51:02this
51:03kind
51:03of
51:03debilitating
51:04drone
51:05attacks
51:05they'll
51:05be
51:06okay
51:06with
51:06so
51:07that
51:08much
51:08we
51:08can
51:08go
51:12talked
51:13of
51:13the
51:13recent
51:14park
51:15IMF
51:15report
51:15has
51:16talked
51:17of
51:17a
51:1738%
51:18increase
51:19in
51:19remittances
51:20who
51:20gets
51:2138%
51:21increase
51:22in
51:22remittances
51:23that's
51:23amazing
51:24number
51:25two
51:25is
51:26that
51:26in
51:27our
51:27exercises
51:28of
51:28going
51:28through
51:29the
51:29park
51:29defense
51:30budget
51:30economic
51:31budget
51:32throughout
51:32the
51:32thing
51:33I
51:33remember
51:33we
51:34saw
51:35one
51:35footnote
51:36that
51:36was
51:37all
51:37which
51:38said
51:38military
51:39loans
51:39to
51:40Pakistan
51:40from
51:41China
51:41some
51:42I
51:42forget
51:43how
51:43many
51:43billions
51:44it
51:44was
51:44it
51:44was
51:44just
51:45a
51:45footnote
51:45then
51:46again
51:46we
51:46went
51:46through
51:47the
51:47whole
51:47budget
51:48I
51:49could
51:49find
51:49what
51:49money
51:50was
51:50so
51:52very
51:52interesting
51:53Rajdeep
51:53you know
51:53so
51:54there is
51:55this
51:55conspiracy
51:56theory
51:56that's
51:57been
51:57doing
51:57the
51:57rounds
51:57about
51:57the
51:58China
51:58factor
51:58I
51:59asked
51:59that
51:59to
52:00Fareed
52:00Zakaria
52:01as
52:01well
52:01Fareed
52:02felt
52:02that
52:02China
52:02has
52:03much
52:03to
52:03lose
52:03by
52:04getting
52:04the
52:05two
52:05countries
52:05also
52:06drawn
52:06into
52:06conflict
52:07even
52:07though
52:07he
52:08also
52:08reminded
52:09us
52:10that
52:10India
52:10has
52:11so
52:11much
52:11more
52:12to
52:12gain
52:12from
52:13peace
52:13at
52:14the
52:14moment
52:14than
52:14Pakistan
52:15does
52:15you know
52:16you've
52:16got a
52:16virtual
52:17basket
52:17case
52:18on
52:18one
52:18side
52:18in
52:19terms
52:19of
52:19its
52:19economy
52:20and
52:20you've
52:20got
52:20another
52:21country
52:21which
52:21is
52:21poised
52:22to
52:23perhaps
52:23take
52:23full
52:24advantage
52:24of
52:25the
52:25turbulence
52:25that
52:26is
52:26taking
52:26place
52:26in
52:27global
52:27economies
52:27at
52:28the
52:28moment
52:29and
52:29therefore
52:30this
52:30is
52:31a
52:31moment
52:31for
52:31India
52:31to
52:32maybe
52:32find
52:33a
52:33way
52:33to
52:34get
52:35the
52:35Pakistanis
52:36back
52:36on
52:37track
52:37to
52:37ensure
52:38that
52:39they
52:39do
52:40not
52:40allow
52:40these
52:41elements
52:41within
52:42Pakistan
52:42their
52:42army
52:43state
52:43leadership
52:43to
52:45try
52:46and
52:46derail
52:47the
52:47efforts
52:48that
52:48are
52:48being
52:48made
52:49to
52:50somehow
52:51deescalate
52:52or
52:52indeed
52:53to
52:53ensure
52:54that
52:54India
52:55is
52:55allowed
52:55to
52:55take
52:56full
52:56advantage
52:57of
52:57its
52:57position
52:58in
52:58the
52:59world
52:59economy
52:59so
53:00I
53:00think
53:01the
53:01next
53:01few
53:01days
53:01this
53:02China
53:02factor
53:02I
53:02mean
53:03who
53:03is
53:03funding
53:03this
53:04entire
53:04Pakistan
53:05campaign
53:06is
53:07going
53:07to
53:07be
53:07asked
53:07and
53:08whether
53:08India
53:08can
53:09actually
53:09out
53:09think
53:10and
53:10out
53:10do
53:10them
53:11in
53:11the
53:11manner
53:11in
53:12which
53:12some
53:12of
53:12the
53:12war
53:13efforts
53:13have
53:14gone
53:14on
53:14so
53:14far
53:14because
53:15remember
53:15if
53:16Pakistan
53:16is
53:16trying
53:16to
53:17provoke
53:17India
53:18into
53:18escalation
53:19don't
53:19you
53:20think
53:20the
53:20Narendra Modi
53:21government
53:21has succeeded
53:22in not
53:23being
53:23provoked
53:24into
53:24an
53:24escalation
53:25they've
53:25succeeded
53:26in
53:26striking
53:26the
53:27terror
53:27launch
53:28pads
53:28training
53:28camps
53:29headquarters
53:29struck
53:30at
53:30their
53:31defenses
53:31and
53:31yet
53:32that
53:32escalation
53:33hasn't
53:33happened
53:33I think
53:34the
53:34challenge
53:34is
53:35can
53:35kinetic
53:36action
53:36and
53:37strategic
53:37restraint
53:38coexist
53:39can you
53:40use your
53:40moments
53:41for
53:41restraint
53:42and can
53:42you use
53:43your
53:43moments
53:44for
53:44kinetic
53:44action
53:45and can
53:45you
53:46choose
53:46them
53:46wisely
53:47Dr.
53:47Kanta
53:48we've
53:48run out
53:48of time
53:49good to
53:50have you
53:50on the
53:50show
53:50and
53:51throwing
53:51up
53:51some
53:51interesting
53:52observations
53:52there
53:53Sandeep
53:53wonderful
53:54to get
53:54all your
53:55insights
53:55thank you
53:56very
53:56much
53:56and
53:57Gaurav
53:58and I
53:58have
53:59gone
53:59through
53:59two
53:59hours
54:00without
54:00arguing
54:01with
54:01each
54:01other
54:02which
54:03is
54:03quite
54:03an
54:04achievement
54:04absolutely
54:06but I
54:07agree
54:07with
54:07everything
54:08you
54:08said
54:08anyway
54:09you
54:09and I
54:09had
54:10a
54:10debate
54:11over
54:11whether
54:12Kashmir
54:12was at
54:13the
54:13heart
54:13of
54:14this
54:14entire
54:15long
54:17term
54:17solution
54:18was
54:18ensuring
54:20peace
54:20in
54:20Kashmir
54:21and
54:21of course
54:21that
54:22has
54:22been
54:22picked
54:22up
54:22by
54:23right
54:23wing
54:23twitter
54:24armies
54:24to
54:25suggest
54:25that
54:26Gaurav
54:27has put
54:28me in
54:28my
54:28place
54:29maybe
54:29he has
54:29but
54:30either
54:30way
54:30I think
54:31it is
54:33my
54:33belief
54:33that
54:33eventually
54:34the
54:34long term
54:35solutions
54:35lie
54:36in
54:36ensuring
54:37peace
54:38in the
54:38valley
54:38and we
54:38can discuss
54:39those
54:39solutions
54:39at another
54:40day
54:40but at
54:40the
54:41moment
54:41the focus
54:41is on
54:42Pakistan's
54:43attempt
54:43to try
54:44and provoke
54:44India
54:44and how
54:45India
54:46has
54:46consistently
54:47over the
54:47last few
54:48days
54:48resisted
54:48those
54:49pressures
54:49to allow
54:50this
54:50conflict
54:50to
54:51escalate
54:51we've
54:52had a
54:52pretty
54:52difficult
54:54night
54:54for those
54:55living on
54:55the border
54:56once again
54:56our thoughts
54:57and prayers
54:57at the end
54:58of the day
54:58are with
54:59those people
54:59whether you're
55:00in
55:00Gurdaspur
55:01Avantipura
55:02Pooj
55:02Rajori
55:03Arispura
55:04Uri
55:04these are
55:05the places
55:06Amritsar
55:07these are the
55:07border town
55:08cities
55:09villages
55:10where people
55:11have had
55:12to face
55:12the brunt
55:13of these
55:14drone
55:14attacks
55:14it is
55:15unacceptable
55:15when
55:16innocent
55:17tourists
55:18first are
55:19targeted
55:20in
55:20Pahlgam
55:20and now
55:21you're
55:22having
55:22innocent
55:22villagers
55:23why should
55:24someone
55:24in a
55:24Gurdwara
55:25have to
55:25suffer
55:26in the
55:27way they
55:27did
55:28in Poonch
55:28or indeed
55:29in a
55:29school
55:29a missionary
55:30school
55:30in the
55:32area
55:32that is
55:32unacceptable
55:33Pakistan
55:34needs to
55:34wake up
55:35somewhere
55:35and realize
55:36whatever
55:36you're
55:37doing
55:37you are
55:38ending up
55:38only
55:39discrediting
55:40yourself
55:40by targeting
55:41innocent
55:42civilians
55:42that is
55:43not
55:43the way
55:44civilized
55:45societies
55:46act
55:47but we
55:47leave it
55:47at that
55:48thank you
55:48all very
55:49much for
55:49joining us
55:50thank you
55:50sir
55:50good to
55:51be here
55:51with you