The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 10
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00:00βͺ G-I-R-L-S, it's my girls and yes, we came to stand, G-I-R-L-S, it's my girls and yes, ha, ha.
00:08This is for the girls, this is for the girls, all around the world, all around the world.
00:13If you've got it, come and get it. Come and get it, come and get it, come and get it, come and get it, come and get it, come and get it, come and get it, come and get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it, get it.
00:20Okay, hi!
00:22How are you?
00:23Oh my god.
00:24Good. I brought you a little present.
00:26Oh my gosh, I'm broke in it.
00:28just because you weren't at the girls' trip
00:29and we missed you.
00:30So I wanted to bring you something back from New Orleans.
00:33That's so nice of you.
00:34Can you open it?
00:35Look at it.
00:36Let me hold baby.
00:37I feel really bad that I didn't stick up for Taylor
00:38at the Staten Center's party and in New Orleans.
00:41And I'm honestly really sick of Demi's behavior recently.
00:44And I want to make up for not being able to stick up
00:46for her and be a better friend.
00:47And that's all going to start with beignets.
00:49How was the trip?
00:51It was good.
00:53New Orleans is definitely different.
00:55Oh, beignets.
00:56Oh, how fun.
00:57You have New Orleans at home.
00:58Cute.
00:59You don't even have to leave Utah.
01:01Do you want me to grab him back or?
01:03Honestly, I'll take him.
01:03Okay.
01:04I'm obsessed with him.
01:05That'd be great.
01:06Adore him.
01:07Single mom life, it's so freaking hard.
01:09Yeah.
01:09I just know he's like so tired, but he fights sleep, so.
01:14So like, what was your reasoning for not coming?
01:18I just felt like with the Staten Center party,
01:21I felt very like alone.
01:22So I felt like I didn't want to go into a trip
01:26being in that same spot.
01:28And then I feel like what to me,
01:29like bringing up like my lowest point in my life
01:31is just insane.
01:33So should we talk about the way
01:34that you treat your boyfriend?
01:36It's not okay.
01:37He has some of my history.
01:38Let's go ask Dakota.
01:40Go out and bring him.
01:41I'm going to protect your ever in this situation.
01:44She went to a different level.
01:45And so I just felt like I didn't want to be
01:47in a house with her for the weekend.
01:49Yeah.
01:50Okay.
01:52Okay.
01:54You little jumper.
01:56Those things are the best.
01:58Cause it keeps them contained.
01:59I think definitely there's like hard feelings
02:02that she has towards you still.
02:03Cause in Merlin, she said that like,
02:05if you're in Montauk, then like,
02:07she would like leave Montauk.
02:09Bitch, what?
02:10Like you're a bully in what world?
02:12Not only to me, but half the group.
02:14You are not some saint that you think you are.
02:18No, she needs Jesus.
02:20It's true.
02:22Hi.
02:23Hey.
02:24I was going to come get the door,
02:25but I know you always walk in.
02:26Oh, hey, how's it going?
02:27You look pretty.
02:28Oh, you're so nice.
02:30Oh, just working today.
02:31So how's everything going with you?
02:33I haven't seen you in a minute.
02:35I'm just filling her in on New Orleans drama.
02:37Oh, was there a lot of drama?
02:39I think just to me has a lot of very harsh feeling
02:44towards Tay right now.
02:45And just basically like her general consensus
02:49was just that if Taylor's in Montauk,
02:51she doesn't want to be in Montauk.
02:52No way.
02:53Yeah.
02:54Oh my, well, let her go.
02:55Hey.
02:56Hey.
02:57Hey, buddy.
02:58You want to get out?
02:59Hey, buddy.
03:00I'm trying to talk.
03:00You said, I am a musician.
03:02He is so cute.
03:03So I guess with that being said,
03:05I feel like it's going to make things like super awkward
03:07that she's throwing the Christmas party,
03:11but it's like her thing.
03:15What?
03:17Babe, I don't think you're going to go to that.
03:19Why?
03:20Demi probably doesn't want you there.
03:22Then why did she invite me?
03:24I think that she may have accidentally invited you,
03:28but she maybe forgot you're on that group thread
03:30and then sent out the invite.
03:34I don't know what he's trying to do or where he's going.
03:37Did you already buy your dress and everything to go?
03:40Yeah, I had everything planned.
03:42That sucks.
03:42Yeah.
03:43It's obviously unfortunate because it's just like,
03:45I feel like she's trying to turn everyone against me
03:47and I don't like that.
03:49I wouldn't either.
03:51The only thing less Mormon
03:53than being uninvited to a Christmas party
03:55would be uninvited to a baby blessing
03:57and both have happened to me.
03:58And I feel like karma is a bitch,
04:00so I'm going to let it do its thing.
04:02I'm not going to tell you not to come
04:04to the Christmas party.
04:05I think that's your say, you're a grown woman
04:07and you can make your own decisions for yourself.
04:08But I will say that it probably won't go over well
04:13if you do come.
04:14Or I can just go crash their party for you.
04:18I'll put my boxing gloves on.
04:21I would never really want to go to a party
04:23that I'm uninvited to,
04:24but I'm not letting Jimmy off the hook that easily.
04:27If you want to push me out,
04:28you're going to have to say it to my face.
04:31One.
04:47βͺ It's everything you could ever want βͺ
04:50βͺ Try me and you'll see I'll bring you to your knees βͺ
04:54βͺ Baby, you're going to believe me βͺ
04:57βͺ Fache for me too, you can't touch me oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh βͺ
05:03βͺ Fache for me too, you can't touch me oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh βͺ
05:13βͺ I pick the months without a heartache
05:20All I want for Christmas is
05:24a pink Bentley.
05:26After New Orleans, it's just been so noisy and chaotic and I'm wanting to wrap up the
05:41year of mom talk in a positive way.
05:45Hello.
05:46Shut up.
05:47You look stunning.
05:48You look amazing.
05:49Oh, beautiful.
05:50I love this color on you.
05:51Hi.
05:52Hello.
05:53Welcome.
05:54Hi.
05:55Gorgeous.
05:56No, like literally, I don't know who you are.
05:57What?
05:58I'm like weirded out.
05:59I'm like, I don't.
06:00You really don't look like yourself.
06:11I have vocally expressed how I don't really see a need for Taylor in mom talk.
06:17I don't know where everyone else kind of falls in with that, but I am just hoping that this
06:21night proves we're better off without her and that we can experience a new place that
06:25we've never been before.
06:26Oh, they got blanket.
06:27You look pretty.
06:28The lake.
06:29Yeah.
06:30It's so pretty.
06:31The snow.
06:32To me, even the red coat.
06:33Yeah.
06:34You're so monochromatic today.
06:35You look like a mob wife.
06:37I know.
06:38So fancy.
06:39I know.
06:40You guys were all for it.
06:41Fulfilling my fantasy.
06:42Everyone looks so cute.
06:43Oh, shit.
06:44Are you okay?
06:45She went down.
06:46Oh, no.
06:47How are you?
06:48Good.
06:49We're a founder.
06:50He's inside feeding Billy.
06:51No.
06:52Okay, we have to go inside.
06:53Like, my toes are literally going to fall.
06:54Oh, my God.
06:55You look amazing.
06:56You guys look amazing.
06:57Whoa.
06:58I'm going to bust out some champagne for those that want it.
07:05I know you two are pregnant.
07:07We get first dibs.
07:10I love champagne.
07:11Did you get real champagne?
07:12Yeah, I did.
07:13I've never had champagne.
07:14Can we do a little toast really quick?
07:15I always feel like these events are supposed to be fun,
07:16but Demi's basically trying to kick Taylor out of Mom Talk,
07:17and it's putting all of us in an uncomfortable situation
07:18between her and Taylor, and it just doesn't feel fair.
07:19Thank you all for coming tonight.
07:20This was such a special night.
07:21Cheers to another year of Mom Talk surviving,
07:22and thank you so much for watching.
07:23Bye.
07:24Bye.
07:25Bye.
07:26Bye.
07:27Bye.
07:28Bye.
07:29Bye.
07:30Bye.
07:31Bye.
07:32Bye.
07:33Bye.
07:34Bye.
07:35Bye.
07:36Bye.
07:37Bye.
07:38Bye.
07:39Bye.
07:40And to many more years to come,
07:41love you all.
07:42Merry Christmas.
07:43Hold.
07:44Hold.
07:45Hold.
07:46Hold.
07:47Hold.
07:48Perfect.
07:49P.S., Dad Talk.
07:50So far, so good.
07:51Tonight is going amazing.
07:52Oh, more meatballs.
07:53Perfect.
07:54I feel like there's going to be minimal drama
07:55because Taylor's not here,
07:57and things are looking up for us right now.
08:02Wait, I want a chicken.
08:03What are you guys whispering
08:04Don't you know what our whole group is known for?
08:07Secrets.
08:08Okay, let's go set.
08:09Hi, Leah.
08:10Hello.
08:11Hello.
08:12Hi.
08:13How are you?
08:14Good.
08:15How are you?
08:16Good.
08:17Oh, shit.
08:18What are you doing?
08:19Just coming to drop off a present.
08:20Do you come bearing gifts?
08:21Yes.
08:22Who is this for?
08:23For you, from Taylor.
08:24What the hell is Leanne doing here?
08:25Let your daughter fight her own battles, please.
08:26I would never be caught dead in this situation if this were my daughter.
08:27Did you just come alone?
08:28Yeah, I just came alone.
08:29Things have been nuts.
08:30Do you want to sit down and talk for a minute?
08:31Sure.
08:32Let's do it.
08:33This is such an interesting, weird situation.
08:34I don't know what I'm doing.
08:35I'm here.
08:36I'm here.
08:37I'm here.
08:38I'm here.
08:39I'm here.
08:40I'm here.
08:41I'm here.
08:42I'm here.
08:43I'm here.
08:44I'm here.
08:45I'm here.
08:46I'm here.
08:47I'm here.
08:48I'm here.
08:49I'm here.
08:50I'm here.
08:51I'm here.
08:52weird situation.
08:54This feels like when she called you for not showing up
08:56to Taylor's shower.
08:57For the baby shower?
08:58Leanne.
08:59Hey, Whitney.
09:01Yeah.
09:02This is Leanne, Tay's mom.
09:03How's it going?
09:05Good, what's up?
09:06Good.
09:07I was just calling because I noticed you weren't here.
09:09Your mom called Whitney.
09:11Oh my gosh.
09:13I mean, to be frank, this is very on brand for Leanne.
09:18So what's going on?
09:19What's going on with Taylor?
09:20Oh, I don't know.
09:21That's what I was kind of wanting to find out from you.
09:24Yeah.
09:26You know, the obvious elephant in the room
09:28is just kind of the online stuff that's been going on.
09:32I kind of was like with her on this.
09:34This was such a huge thing for her to go
09:37and be on the CMAs.
09:39And I thought that was odd too, that none of you guys.
09:43It just kind of seems weird.
09:44Like, are they jealous of you?
09:45You know, like, are they mad
09:46because they didn't get picked to go?
09:48Okay, yes, that was strange.
09:50We all can agree.
09:51Like, do you agree with the way that she went about it?
09:53I think she did it like as, like, like funny,
09:56like being really catty and was like petty, you know?
09:59And she did it.
10:00And then it just got out of hand.
10:01Do you think that she needs someone to go over there?
10:04Yeah.
10:08You're voted in.
10:14This has gotten to the point
10:15where I've seen it happen with other people.
10:17I've watched it happen online,
10:19mixed in with the fact that I'm having Dakota calling,
10:21saying all the things that are happening
10:23behind closed doors in their relationship.
10:24So that's what is concerning to me.
10:27It's like, you care about her wellbeing
10:28or her family or whatever,
10:30but it just seems like you want to be like Queen B.
10:33No, Leigh-Anne.
10:34And trying to be like,
10:35okay, let's get Taylor out of the picture
10:37because now I want to be Taylor.
10:41I've listened to Taylor's side for three years
10:43and I understand that the situation at hand is toxic.
10:47That's where we're like, walk away.
10:48Stop doing it for the kids.
10:49You okay?
10:50Oh, yes.
10:51Okay, you're good.
10:52Yes, yes.
10:53Okay, cool.
10:53As a friend, you should go try to see
10:55what's wrong with you, Taylor.
10:57What can I do to get you some help?
11:01What can I do to make your load less?
11:03I mean, she's a single mom.
11:05I hope you understood.
11:06And I've been a single mom as well.
11:08And I've gone through very similar things that she has.
11:11I have texted her over 30 times
11:13just texting her to check in on her.
11:15To me, it was a single mom for a month.
11:19Guess how many times she's done that for me?
11:21Not once.
11:21Because right now-
11:22Not one time.
11:23I mean, right now she can't.
11:24It's been three years.
11:25She is-
11:26I know, but she never has.
11:27She never has.
11:28She never has.
11:29More than anything, I just like want to be there for Demi.
11:33And this conversation is just getting more and more heated.
11:36I mean, I get it.
11:37Like Leanne is Taylor's mom.
11:39She wants to stand up for Taylor,
11:40but I'm just like, why are you enabling this behavior?
11:43Why do you think that we're in the wrong right now?
11:46Why isn't your daughter in the wrong?
11:47How can you not see that?
11:49I want you to know in the three years
11:50I've also gone through a divorce.
11:52I've dealt with fertility issues,
11:54marital, financial issues,
11:56and not one time in three years
11:58has she's called and checked in on me.
12:00And that's not just me.
12:01That's the group.
12:13Uh-oh, I think Leanne's upset.
12:14She's like, come on.
12:15She's like, I'm excited.
12:17She is a great person.
12:19Like she's the one that brought you guys all together,
12:21whether you think so or not.
12:24When she was in her deepest,
12:30deepest part of her life, you know,
12:32like all her friends that like just disowned her.
12:34And to see her, her friends,
12:38her so-called friends, like bash her.
12:42I'm so sick, especially with Taylor,
12:45of her getting a pass
12:46because she's going through hard things
12:48and saying, well, that's just how she is.
12:51Welcome to the real world, Taylor.
12:52This sucks, fucking sucked for us too.
13:01Welcome to the real world, Taylor.
13:03This sucked, fucking sucked for us too.
13:05Stop posting online.
13:07Actually care about your friends like we care about you.
13:11There's no way to spin this as though she's the victim.
13:14She's not the victim here.
13:15Is Demi for real right now?
13:16I can't believe she's yelling and cussing at Leigh-Anne,
13:19especially because we're taught in the church
13:20to treat others with respect.
13:22And yeah, it's just very inappropriate.
13:24She does not get my sympathy anymore.
13:26She needs help.
13:27She needs to go to therapy
13:29and she needs to go be a fucking mom.
13:33Ho, ho, ho.
13:37This is a fever dream, you guys.
13:39Holy cow.
13:40The timing is impeccable.
13:43I'm looking for the nice girls.
13:46Are you from Pippendales?
13:48Hello.
13:49Hi.
13:50Where's the naughty one?
13:52She's the naughtiest.
13:54I hope Santa brings their new group of friends.
13:57Just kidding.
13:58What do you girls want for Christmas?
14:00Peace and mom talk.
14:02Whatever Taylor's going through, I pray for her.
14:05I hope that she gets the help that she needs.
14:07I really do.
14:08I appreciate that.
14:09Okay.
14:10I'm going to let you guys finish your conversation.
14:11I'm going to go see Santa.
14:12Yep.
14:13Yep.
14:15Is it snowing or is that fake?
14:16Oh, yeah.
14:17Is that fake or is that real?
14:18You guys, the snow.
14:19Should we go look at it?
14:20Yeah.
14:21No.
14:22I'd rather be out there than in here.
14:23Really?
14:24I do think that I want to step in and defend Leanne
14:26because I'm really, really shocked by this behavior.
14:28I would never speak to anyone's mother this way,
14:31but Demi is beyond being reasoned with at this point,
14:34so I think everyone's just staying quiet to stay safe.
14:37I think it is very telling that if you sat down
14:39and you talked to each of the girls and you...
14:42Don't mean to interrupt.
14:43Yeah.
14:44Surprise for you outside.
14:45We're going to come back to this.
14:46Okay.
14:47Oh, I love it!
14:49Oh!
14:51Okay, like, right here, babe.
14:54Wow, these are cool.
14:57I don't want to get in it.
14:58In the bubble.
14:59It's like this.
15:00Oh, cute.
15:03Right in the eye.
15:05You know, I didn't mean to come and, like, just bombard your party.
15:09No, it's okay.
15:10I know that you're a concerned mother.
15:12Anyway, do you want to walk her out to her car?
15:15No, that's okay.
15:16I appreciate you talking.
15:17And I'll feel double more to come.
15:19Oh, gosh.
15:20Because I haven't even pulled out my boxing gloves,
15:22so get ready.
15:24It was just so inappropriate all around.
15:27Yeah.
15:28I definitely feel bad for Leanne right now.
15:30She's clearly emotional,
15:31and I don't think it's appropriate for Demi
15:33to be almost fighting her like she's Taylor.
15:36Like, these are all things that they should be saying to Taylor,
15:38and I don't think it's fair that they're taking it out on Leanne.
15:41I'm really sorry about everything.
15:43I just want you to know, as a mom,
15:44I totally sympathize with where you're coming from.
15:47I'm sorry.
15:48I felt like I was listening half the time to Taylor 2.0.
15:51I know.
15:52Just deflection, deflection, excuses, excuses.
15:54Yes.
15:55I understand Leanne getting emotional.
15:58What I'm having a really hard time with
16:00is that you're sitting in front of people
16:02who she has been an absolute dogshit friend to,
16:06and you're trying to sell me on Taylor being a good person.
16:10Clearly that was put into your head from Taylor.
16:13It's giving manipulation.
16:15Move it along.
16:17Are you gonna open the gift?
16:20Should I open it?
16:21Taylor's gift?
16:22I don't really want to open her gift right now.
16:23Should I, though?
16:24Yeah.
16:25I want to see what it is.
16:26Okay, let's get this out of the way,
16:27because I don't know what it is,
16:28and the track record with gifts in this group is not...
16:32Like, is it ticking at all?
16:34I'm like...
16:35It's a bomb!
16:37It's from Taylor.
16:40Is that your...
16:42Wait, I'm so confused right now.
16:44It's PR.
16:45It's Jay-Z PR.
16:46I would die.
16:48Oh, my God!
16:50Did you give this to her?
16:52I...
16:54Wait, what the fuck?
16:55It's gotta be because of the whole, like...
16:57It is because of the Jay-Z thing.
16:59Oh, my God.
17:01Yeah.
17:02Well, if that...
17:03Should we invite Leanne back in and say,
17:04I don't know who you know who your daughter is, actually?
17:07Taylor, Frankie, Paul, everyone.
17:09This is just so childish, and yet again, unsurprising.
17:14Uh...
17:16Well, my thought process was to gift to me
17:20Jay-Z-style hair products,
17:23because I think everyone in Mom Talk
17:25should keep her at arm's length,
17:27because if you can do that to your best friend,
17:29you can do that to any of us.
17:31Okay.
17:32I'm gonna head out.
17:34Oh, love you.
17:35Love you.
17:36Bye.
17:37Mom Talk was originally about
17:39not only women supporting women,
17:41but especially mothers supporting other mothers.
17:44I worry that maybe it's drifted from that.
17:46I'm not entirely sure if it's something
17:48I want to be a part of again,
17:50but it's also hard because I'm like,
17:52Mom Talk could be great.
17:54Bye, Miranda! Bye, Pink!
17:56So I thought that with, like, the New Year
17:58and being Mom Talk and celebrating Mom Talk,
18:00I think we need to talk about things,
18:02like who's in, who's not,
18:04what's going on.
18:05Oh, okay.
18:06A board meeting?
18:07Yes, a board meeting.
18:08Oh, no.
18:09Businesses do this all the time.
18:10We're no different, ladies.
18:11True.
18:12So let's find a time that works for everyone,
18:14but what does that look like?
18:15Like, who's coming?
18:16I think everyone come, let them speak their piece,
18:18and then go from there.
18:20I do feel like Miranda's, like,
18:22an honorary member at the moment.
18:24Like, we haven't officially brought her in,
18:26so should we do this without her?
18:28We need to get the OGs together for a minute
18:30and, like, pass it out.
18:31Okay, so everyone but Miranda.
18:32Yes.
18:33I'm not sure how this meeting's gonna go,
18:34but it needs to happen because Demi
18:36is destroying the soul of Mom Talk.
18:38I'm sad because I did consider Demi my best friend,
18:40but time and time again,
18:42she punches down on everyone,
18:43and it's her behavior that reads
18:45as destructive to Mom Talk, not Taylor's.
18:47That's kind of how I view Taylor.
18:49Yeah.
18:50At what point are people, like, disengaging enough
18:53to where it's like,
18:54well, we're not gonna all pull the weight for you.
18:56Like, we're moving forward, and we're rebuilding,
18:58and we're reestablishing things.
19:00It seems to be a running pattern
19:02that wherever Taylor is, chaos follows.
19:05It's never gonna end well,
19:06and so I think that this conversation
19:08is very important to the future of Mom Talk.
19:11If you care, come. If you don't care,
19:13then don't be a part of it.
19:14You're showing us, yeah.
19:16βͺβͺβͺβͺ
19:21βͺβͺβͺβͺ
19:28Drop. Drop.
19:29Yeah!
19:30Yeah.
19:31Do you think Liz has the big carrots, like this?
19:34No way!
19:35Hudson?
19:36Oh my gosh.
19:37Oh my gosh, how are you?
19:39So what's going on?
19:41I've been super busy because I am in the process
19:43of writing a book.
19:44I got a book deal.
19:46Woo!
19:47Like, officially?
19:48Yes.
19:49Yes.
19:49Mom Talk is supposed to stand for women supporting women,
19:52but the fighting in Mom Talk has gotten so out of control.
19:54When I first started social media,
19:56my whole goal was to inspire other women with my story.
19:59So writing this book, I'm really
20:01hoping I can lead by example.
20:02Come here, Harlow.
20:03Good to see you guys again.
20:04Good to see you guys.
20:05It's been a minute or two.
20:07My book is about my life story because I
20:10was a sophomore in college when I got pregnant.
20:12And when I was pregnant, Hudson's dad, Eric, passed away.
20:15No, I was sad I didn't get to go to the baseball game
20:17the other day.
20:18Hudson, he walked the first guy, and then
20:20he struck out three in a row.
20:21I can't believe that.
20:22Hudson did the best.
20:24That's why I couldn't even believe it.
20:27We did tell Hudson about Eric.
20:28I think it's very important for Hudson
20:30to know about his dad because he is half of him.
20:34That's it.
20:35One more.
20:36And there's always going to be that curiosity,
20:37and we've always wanted to be very open about it.
20:39And that way, too, he can keep his relationship
20:41really good with Jacob.
20:42Come sit down.
20:43Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:44So what are you guys doing?
20:45I'm excited that I could come see you guys
20:47and Hudson can see you guys.
20:49I was going to say, like, I wanted to come, too,
20:51because I'm wanting to write a book.
20:53Like, it's obviously a super sensitive subject
20:56with Eric and everything, but, like,
20:57he's a huge part of my story.
20:59And I don't think I always dealt with my grief.
21:02I don't think you really did deal with it.
21:04Yeah.
21:05It's even harder for me now as I've gotten older
21:06because I see Hudson, and I see him.
21:08I'm like, he's eight now.
21:10Like, he's, like, old now.
21:12It reminds me of him, and it's so hard for me.
21:18It still affects me a lot, and I just, I don't know.
21:22Hudson's dad, Eric, died in a car crash.
21:25I truly feel like he was my first love,
21:27and so it, like, just destroyed me.
21:30I didn't want to live, to be honest.
21:33And if it wasn't for my son, I don't even
21:35know if I'd be here today.
21:37I've never been to, like, the crash site
21:39because I think I'm scared to feel, too,
21:41because I'm like, well, I'm happy.
21:42I'm like, I don't want to feel sad.
21:43You can't move forward until you deal with it.
21:46I had so much grief and trauma from losing Eric,
21:48and I think I've avoided it.
21:50You were the only one he ever told me that he loved.
21:52Yeah.
21:53And you mattered to him.
21:56Yeah.
21:58So all the more you matter to me.
22:00Yeah.
22:01So I got your back.
22:02Yeah.
22:03We'll keep going.
22:04I know.
22:05I'm telling you, my dad promised you that's what Eric wants.
22:09That's what he wants.
22:10I'm telling you.
22:11I'm telling you.
22:12I'm telling you.
22:13I'm telling you.
22:14I'm telling you.
22:15I'm telling you.
22:16I'm telling you.
22:17I'm telling you.
22:18I'm telling you.
22:19That's what Eric would want.
22:20Set me free.
22:46Uh-oh, your dad's here.
22:49Hi.
22:50Hey.
22:51Say hi.
22:52He's like your twin, Dakota Jr.
22:55What are you up to?
22:56Not much.
22:57Just working.
22:58Just working?
22:59How are you doing with you and Taylor not being together?
23:03It's like what's best right now, and I think it's the only way.
23:06Just focus on getting better, because a lot of it is just that.
23:09It's like there just needs to be like some peace there.
23:12Yeah.
23:13I'd like to like have some clarity and like think.
23:15Yeah.
23:17Yeah, I don't know what I'm saying.
23:20Going back to church at all yourself?
23:23Praying, it's like the one thing that can bring some true peace and happiness right now.
23:27Yes, for sure.
23:28That's what's always kept me going is just like prayer.
23:31Like things don't always go the way that you want them to go.
23:34Yeah.
23:35It is really hard that we're broke up.
23:37I think if I would have been in a better place when I met Taylor, I think I could have seen
23:42the situation differently.
23:45The whole lying thing, that's a very selfish thing that I did.
23:49Being an addict for so long, it was like I was always having to hide that.
23:53Those traits still will come out sometimes, right?
23:56And especially I feel like in a relationship.
23:58And I've learned now the truth will just set you free.
24:01So just say it.
24:02She called me the other day, and you know, she was just like emotional.
24:06Yeah.
24:07I think she's doing better, like since you guys have been separated.
24:11Yeah.
24:12Just like happier.
24:14That's all I want, too.
24:15I just want her to be happy.
24:16I just want her to be healthy and to, yeah, that's the only thing I want for Taylor is
24:22for her to be in a really good place.
24:24Jeez, dude, what is going on?
24:44Yeah.
24:47This health journey I've been going through has really grounded me during all of this
24:51MomTalk drama because it's made me realize how blessed I really am.
24:55It obviously looks crazy, but when I was looking in the mirror, I was like, oh, it's so thin.
25:00Yeah, like it's really thin.
25:01The biopsy was benign, which is such great news.
25:04Life is so short and it's so precious.
25:06And what's not important is us all yelling at each other as a group of friends.
25:11So leading up to this meeting with MomTalk, I have seen very worrisome behavior.
25:15So I think we just need to get things out in the open.
25:18Oh my gosh, you're back here.
25:19Hi.
25:20I didn't even know you were coming in.
25:21I know.
25:22I came to get some hair for my mom.
25:23Oh, I love it.
25:24I was like, didn't know if you'd even be here.
25:25She definitely gets these, too.
25:27Yeah, you know her stuff, so I was like, that's actually perfect you're here because I was
25:30going to call you.
25:31Oh, no, it's perfect.
25:32But I didn't want to make you come here.
25:33So what did you think of the drama at the Christmas party?
25:35I honestly feel drained.
25:37I feel drained, too, but it wasn't even about me.
25:39I was like, are they going to fight?
25:40Yeah.
25:41Are they going to fight?
25:42I was about to say something and Mikayla was like, no.
25:44Like, let it happen?
25:45Yeah, she was like, let it happen.
25:46I was like, we should tell them to go.
25:47And then she was like, no.
25:48I don't know.
25:49I am feeling so conflicted.
25:50With Demi?
25:51Yeah.
25:52It's hard to all of a sudden look over, I see Leigh-Anne crying.
25:55Yeah.
25:56I just don't know how she feels justified, though, in it.
25:58I was like, why is she yelling?
25:59I don't know.
26:00I'm just, I'm at a point where I'm like, I feel like this has happened so much with Demi,
26:05and now anytime I see her doing this to me or other people, I'm so triggered.
26:09I literally feel like I have PTSD.
26:10Yeah.
26:11And I'm like, that's not healthy friendship.
26:12No.
26:13Friendship should not feel that way.
26:14No.
26:15With me and Demi, we're at a crossroads right now where I'm like, okay, I can't condone
26:20this behavior and back this behavior.
26:22I'm putting myself in Leigh-Anne's shoes.
26:24To have someone like that yelling at you, basically calling Leigh-Anne a terrible mother
26:28too, is so uncalled for.
26:29Demi's also hurt me pretty deeply, so I see her through a different lens now.
26:33And with Demi, it's like, if you're not with her, you're against her.
26:37If someone did this to you and your family, you'd threaten to sue them.
26:39That's what you do to Jen.
26:40That's what you do to me, everyone else.
26:42I'd be pissed if someone did that to me, like a friend.
26:44I mean, now I kind of understand why you ride the fence, because there's times when I'm
26:47like, I just want peace.
26:48Trust me, I know.
26:49Yeah.
26:50It's hard.
26:51We're all in this weird friendship.
26:52Yeah.
26:53And it's like, if you take sides every time, there wouldn't even be a mom talk.
26:56I feel like Demi thinks that you guys have wrapped it up, and then I see the conversations
27:00and I'm like, no.
27:02I don't know if I agree with Demi's definition of loyalty, because I don't think she's always
27:06a loyal friend to Jesse.
27:07I feel like Demi is really heated right now about Taylor, but she was really heated about
27:10Whitney in the past and Jen.
27:12I think there is a lot of friendship mending that has to happen, but Demi's not a good
27:16friend.
27:17Friendships are hard.
27:18They are sucky.
27:19There's nothing worse than dealing with a bad friendship.
27:20It almost affects you sometimes more than relationships.
27:22No, it does, because relationships, there's an expectation, like, we're choosing this
27:26together, don't screw me over.
27:27Yeah.
27:28Whereas friendships are almost harder, because it's like, there wasn't that expectation,
27:30so it hurt me more.
27:31Yeah.
27:33I know she was mad at me for siding with Taylor on a few things, but I feel like through the
27:39Italy drama, I've had her back, because I'm like, I was there the whole time in Italy.
27:43I saw everything, and I'm also friends with Marciano, and I've chatted with him about
27:47it, and he's like, nothing bad happened, that was fine.
27:50But I'm like, I've had your back during that, and even if you did something wrong, I would
27:54have your back.
27:55I would.
27:56Exactly.
27:57That's so frustrating.
27:58And just because I happen to agree with Taylor on something doesn't mean I'm a bad friend.
28:01Like, there's a lot of gaslighting and manipulation going on.
28:03She's done it to Whitney now, she's done it to me, she's now doing it to Taylor.
28:06Like, that's a scary friend.
28:08I don't know.
28:09I kind of feel like I'm at a place where I need to take a break from Demi.
28:11I don't blame you.
28:13I don't know what's gonna happen, and I'm, like, scared.
28:15Well, the real question is, are you still doing her hair?
28:17There's too much in life to be, like, worried about, like, a friendship.
28:21Yeah.
28:22Like, we have enough going on, like, as moms, and, like, even in your, like, your relationship,
28:25like, yours is obviously fine, but, like, in general, we should be building each other
28:28up, and not tearing each other down.
28:31I know.
28:32I feel like it's not always like that in our friend group.
28:34Yeah.
28:35A hundred percent, it's not.
28:36I'm really hoping we can get back to a place where mom talk is supportive again, but right
28:40now, that's not happening, and I feel like we all need to sit down and maybe talk about
28:43some hard truths to kind of figure out the future of mom talk.
29:01Tonight, we're finally having the big mom talk meeting to hopefully get to the bottom
29:08of what's eating away at our group.
29:10The escalating tension between Demi and Taylor is so thick right now, and it's impossible
29:14for it not to affect mom talk.
29:16It feels like something has got to give tonight, because mom talk cannot go on like this.
29:20I don't really want to pick sides, but if I have to, I'm not gonna choose the side
29:24of someone that's forcing my hand.
29:26It's time for a reckoning.
29:29There she is.
29:31Wait, it's actually not that bad.
29:33It looks good with the star strip.
29:34It's like surgical superglue.
29:35Yeah.
29:36Is this bruising, or is that part of the tape?
29:37Yeah, it's bruising.
29:38It's just weird to, like, they cut my throat open.
29:41That's the weirdest thing to wrap your head around.
29:42You get to see it?
29:43No.
29:49Oh, your best friend's here.
29:50Oh, come in.
29:52Are you late?
29:53I am.
29:54I'm always late.
29:59Hello.
30:01How's it going?
30:02Hi.
30:03Thanks for coming.
30:04This is so cute.
30:09Can we go sit down?
30:10Yeah.
30:11Interesting.
30:12Things are already brewing.
30:15Hi.
30:16Hi.
30:17What's your status with Taylor?
30:18I feel like we're fine.
30:20Like, we've talked, and, like, I feel like at this point, because she, like, apologized,
30:23and she's been making an effort, and so I said that's all I needed to see.
30:26Yeah.
30:27But how are you feeling?
30:28Have you guys talked at all?
30:29We haven't talked.
30:30No.
30:32Since Saints and Sinners?
30:35Yeah.
30:36That's been a long time.
30:38Taylor is on a path of self-destruction.
30:40She is now letting her bad habits and patterns bleed into how mom talk is perceived online.
30:48That's all of our business and reputation.
30:50To me, I don't think she is qualified in any way being the leader.
30:56I'm trying to get some sugar down my throat so I can put up a good fight.
31:00Because you haven't talked to them since your mom came to the Christmas party, right?
31:04Did she tell you about that?
31:06I heard.
31:09I was excluded from the Christmas party, so obviously my mom tells me the story,
31:14and the disrespect Demi has towards my mom and my family.
31:18Demi was so lucky that I was not there.
31:21It, like, ugh.
31:23When I do argue with her, I will hold my own because I'm done.
31:26So do you feel like you guys need to have a conversation then?
31:29For sure.
31:30Cue her.
31:32I was just asking if you guys have talked at all since Saints and Sinners.
31:35Do you feel like you guys need to talk?
31:37I mean, I don't really have anything nice to say, so I probably shouldn't say anything.
31:42I don't want to go over there.
31:44It doesn't look like a fun place to be.
31:46I don't think you guys are ever going to be friends.
31:49It's hard when we're in a group like this, though, because there's a lot on the line for all of us.
31:53Like, we do this as our job, and we're a group of women that people look up to,
31:56and I love that we have that, but it's disappointing when we're kind of showcasing
32:01that we're still fighting like we're in high school sometimes.
32:03So I feel like this is actually the perfect time, though, since, like,
32:06Miranda's not here, to talk about, like, her place in the group and Whitney's place in the group
32:11and just kind of how you mentioned at the Christmas party that we kind of need to, like,
32:15reconvene and chat because we have to run, like, a business,
32:18that we have to have, like, guidelines and rules.
32:20But what's the business? I don't even know what the business is anymore.
32:23I mean, it was posting together, but now it's...
32:25But we don't even do that anymore.
32:26Yeah, I know.
32:27It's like, I don't even know the last time we all made a video together.
32:34We need to decide if it's getting back to that or not.
32:36I feel like we all used to have so much fun in MomTalk.
32:38We would get together and make content, goof around,
32:41and MomTalk is something that's super important to me as a single mom.
32:43It's gotten me through some really tough times.
32:45I know that things are really bad right now, but I'm not willing to give up
32:48and I hope that the other girls are willing to fight for MomTalk, too.
32:52I think, for me, it comes down to effort.
32:54And if someone comes in and they're just, like, not really showing that effort,
32:57which I did feel about Miranda in the beginning,
32:59then I'm, like, not interested.
33:01But if they are trying to integrate themselves in,
33:03I think it's just, you have to go off of what they're doing.
33:06But again, it's going to be different for everyone.
33:08You guys can say you've seen effort with Whitney reaching out to you outside of it
33:13and I haven't, other people haven't, and then same with Miranda.
33:16Miranda's reaching out to you, she hasn't reached out to us outside of it.
33:19And so it's hard, because I'm not a definite no,
33:21but I'm like, I haven't seen that effort.
33:23I guess, how do you feel about Miranda right now?
33:29Personally, I don't have, like, any close friendship with her anymore.
33:33I don't think it'll ever be the same for me.
33:35And I think she came in at a convenience.
33:38So I would say no.
33:40All right, let's just do this right now.
33:42I think with Miranda, we give it more time.
33:44I think it's exactly what we did with Whitney.
33:46And I think that's fair.
33:48I feel good about Whitney.
33:50How do you feel?
33:51I'm good. I'm happy with the progress.
33:53I'm good.
33:54Same.
33:56I'm fine with it.
33:57I don't honestly care if you are or not in the group,
34:00because I have my feelings towards you,
34:02and I've given you chances,
34:04and I feel like done dirty after having your back for what?
34:08How did that damage you?
34:10I stuck up for Whitney out of everyone
34:13when she was the one who hated me.
34:15I did that for her.
34:16When no one liked her,
34:17when no one was raising their hand to be in mom talk,
34:19I did.
34:20And when everyone was being mean to her,
34:21I was like, I'm not going to participate in this,
34:23kicking someone while they're down on social media,
34:25or any of it.
34:26And I literally said that at Miranda's thing.
34:28Even though there's tension here,
34:30do you feel like you can coexist with Whitney?
34:32I mean, I finally let her in.
34:33I'm not saying I'm going to be, like, friends with her or anything,
34:35but she can be, I can be cordial.
34:38Can you coexist?
34:39At this point, I don't think I have to say anything.
34:41I think everyone knows where I stand.
34:42Majority rule, she's back in.
34:44Confetti.
34:47Of course I'm happy.
34:48Majority rules, I mean, sure,
34:50do I wish that everyone was in favor of voting me back in?
34:53Absolutely, but that's out of my control.
34:57Is that okay with everyone?
34:59I guess we'll see.
35:01I have conversations with everyone,
35:02and I feel like they're all on the same page that I am.
35:05I don't think she's ever going to change,
35:07and I just am over it.
35:10I'm over it.
35:11I feel like once her true colors come out again,
35:13it's definitely going to be an I told you so moment.
35:17Demi, on the other hand, no.
35:19I would say no for me.
35:21We're not voting on me.
35:22What the fuck is wrong with you?
35:23You're so weird.
35:25I've been in mom talk this whole time.
35:27We're not voting on people who are in mom talk.
35:29What are you doing?
35:30I never said vote.
35:31I just said I couldn't be cordial with you.
35:32You said you can coexist with Whitney, but not with Demi.
35:34Yeah, where are you?
35:35What are you talking about?
35:37Did I say that?
35:40Well, you said Demi, on the other hand,
35:42after we just voted.
35:43Let's talk about projection.
35:44Jeez, I didn't even say that.
35:45That's not projection.
35:46That was a misunderstanding.
35:49Demi, you mentioned if I'm in mom talk,
35:52like you don't want to be in mom talk, so.
35:54I think you mentioned that to the girls.
35:56Is that correct?
35:57Who told you that?
35:59Who told you that?
36:00What does it matter who told you?
36:02It doesn't.
36:03You said it, so.
36:04Okay.
36:05Let's just take the bitch level down a notch.
36:08Let's just talk human to human for once in your goddamn life.
36:11Human to human.
36:13Just take it down a notch.
36:14I don't like you and I don't have to change my tone.
36:16That's fine.
36:17I've done absolutely nothing to you.
36:18What?
36:19What have I done other than react to your poor behavior?
36:21I don't think you've been a good friend.
36:24What have I done?
36:25You're a shitty person to people.
36:27You've gone at Whitney when she's down,
36:29kicked her down.
36:30You've done it to Jen.
36:31You've done it to Jessie.
36:32You've done it to me, okay?
36:33I've done what to Jessie?
36:36You've done what to Jessie?
36:37Oh my gosh.
36:38Your bullshit lie about Jess.
36:40What lie?
36:41About the hair drama.
36:42You twisting that whole thing.
36:43It's all bullshit.
36:44That was true.
36:46No, it wasn't, Taylor.
36:47That was not true.
36:48It was not true.
36:49The way you twisted it,
36:50I never said she's not good at hair.
36:52It was just hurtful to me that as a friend,
36:54you wouldn't support my business.
36:55I just, and I said that to you.
36:56But hair is so,
36:58that's my whole life.
36:59It's not.
37:00You were only picking Jessie out for money.
37:02You're not a good friend.
37:03Jessie.
37:04Jessie.
37:05Are you worried Demi was willing to take a bigger contract
37:07even if it meant you potentially being dropped from the show?
37:10We can't run away from this.
37:11I know.
37:12Okay, here we are.
37:13That was a reaction to multiple things.
37:16It's always a reaction.
37:17Look at you.
37:18Listen to you.
37:19Multiple things had happened with Jessie and I
37:21that led to that point.
37:22It scared me a little bit that your reaction was like,
37:24like, she's out, no morals, no values,
37:27like, let's move on without her.
37:28Like, it scared me that that was your immediate reaction.
37:31Okay.
37:32I was like, I'm so sad and confused and upset.
37:34Like, I was just really hurt.
37:37And I feel like you took that instead
37:39and just, like, took it to a level
37:41that I would never have taken it to,
37:43even with the context we didn't have.
37:45Taylor's right.
37:46I don't feel like Demi's really taking accountability
37:48for how she hurt me.
37:49It's super disappointing.
37:50She speaks like she's a therapist,
37:52and a lot of times that can make you feel like
37:54you are in the wrong and that she's right
37:56because she's so wise,
37:57and it makes it seem like she's sorry when she's not.
37:59What about Jen?
38:01How have you kicked her while she's down?
38:02Because she lied and acted like...
38:04Lied about what?
38:05About Italy.
38:06What did she lie about?
38:07She lied about what happened in Italy.
38:09What was the lie?
38:10I'm curious.
38:11She said to...
38:13Here you are, stuttering.
38:14Go ahead.
38:15No, I'm trying to figure you out.
38:16Your eyes scare me.
38:17Why are you trying to figure out what happened?
38:18I'm so shocked by Demi's inability
38:20to take accountability.
38:21I'm starting to wonder if there's any truth
38:23behind Jen's allegations of what happened in Italy,
38:26and maybe that's why Demi turned on her.
38:28So I feel like I need to reach out to Marciano
38:30to finally get to the truth
38:31of what actually happened in Italy with Demi.
38:33You guys are never gonna be friends, it's fine,
38:35but, like, how do we, like, progress from here?
38:37Because, like, this fucking sucks.
38:39Well, she's going to, like, life-ruining.
38:41That's, like, completely different.
38:42I wouldn't do that to any single one of you.
38:44Life-ruining?
38:45Yes.
38:46Life-ruining?
38:47Do you know what you've done by calling me out?
38:49Do you know what that did
38:50and how it affected my children and Dakota
38:52and what that's done to him?
38:53You don't, because you're just a selfish bitch.
38:57Oh.
38:59You only brought that information out
39:01because you were upset that I told Jessie the truth
39:03about what you think about her underwear.
39:05That's not true.
39:06Yeah, it is.
39:07No, it's not.
39:08I don't want to see you ripped from your kids.
39:10Do you want that to happen?
39:11I don't want to be the one to do that,
39:13hence why I haven't done that.
39:14You don't know the truth.
39:15It doesn't matter.
39:16But guess who does?
39:17Therapy does.
39:18They all know the fucking truth, okay?
39:19So when you know the full truth,
39:20then you can speak on it.
39:21Until then, shut the fuck up.
39:22I just don't, I don't think it's appropriate anyways,
39:25because we don't have the context of it.
39:27They don't.
39:28She brought it up.
39:29This is someone's family and their kids.
39:30Yes.
39:31And I don't think, I think it's off topic.
39:32And you don't know the full story.
39:33Off topic.
39:34That's a very serious allegation that Demi said to you.
39:36An allegation that you have, you don't know anything about.
39:39These pants are too tight for this conversation.
39:42Okay.
39:44So if you guys can't coexist, what's going to happen?
39:46I mean, she was the one who brought up,
39:48I can't be in it if Taylor's in it,
39:49so that, I mean, I'm trying to get that clear, so.
39:51Do you still feel that way?
39:54I don't know if it's worth it for me.
39:59How do you feel like your friendships stand with all of us, though?
40:01Because I feel like there has been upset feelings,
40:03because we're, most of us are not in a bad place with each other.
40:07It's jarring to see how quickly things have been brushed under the rug.
40:10How can you guys be friends with some, she's disgusting.
40:13She's a disgusting human being.
40:17I don't understand it.
40:18Like, please, someone make sense of it.
40:20Someone make sense of it.
40:23Anyone?
40:25No, because I don't think anyone feels as deeply about it.
40:28Yeah, this is between you two, for sure.
40:30If I was watching someone treat my friend and talk to,
40:35knowing the type of person I am and the type of friend I've been to all of you,
40:39I would be fighting to the death,
40:42defending each and every single one of you.
40:45That's the type of friend I am.
40:48I have been so loyal to each of you.
40:51Yeah, so if you feel that way,
40:53Thor's there, baby.
40:58Am I the only one that cares about true friendship and loyalty,
41:04and I'm alone on an island?
41:06I'm just feeling like all of this is for nothing at this point,
41:08and it's extremely frustrating.
41:10As of now, I'm not feeling comfortable,
41:13and I'm feeling very conflicted.
41:15So I'm going to take some time, if you guys don't mind,
41:18and just, like, decide if I want to continue in Mom Talk.
41:26Yeah, we don't mind.
41:28I don't mind. I'm sorry.
41:30Oh, my gosh.
41:35As of now, wiping my hands clean,
41:38I'm done with Mom Talk.
41:40I can't do it anymore. Okay, bye, guys.
41:43We are done.
41:45How's your throat feeling?
41:47All right. I mean, Demi's a grown-ass woman.
41:50I'm not going to beg for you to stay.
41:52I'm officially back in Mom Talk.
41:54I got my big fat gold star that I was wanting.
41:57That was crazy.
41:59I love that Demi was trying to basically get me kicked out of Mom Talk.
42:02It completely backfired on her.
42:04It feels good to have everyone support me,
42:06because Mom Talk is a business,
42:08but it is a lot more than that.
42:10I do think that there's hope for all of us girls
42:13to come together and be a team
42:16and to bring light back into it.
42:20Always a pleasure.
42:22That was a lot.
42:24I feel like I need to stay and decompress after that.
42:27I know.
42:29I wish in this group we could just have individual friendships
42:31and it doesn't need to be like a loyalty thing.
42:33Like, I've done this for you, so you have to hate this person
42:35because I hate this person.
42:40Well, you want to be able to tell the truth
42:42without them being like,
42:44and I always stand up for you.
42:46I think, again, what Mom Talk was built on is the empowerment,
42:48woman empowerment.
42:50I think it's empowering to go off everyone else's beliefs
42:52and their experience and say,
42:54you know what, actually, I don't believe with you.
42:56And that's fine.
42:58You can stand in your own beliefs and what benefits you.
43:00For me and my health with Whitney, I'm like,
43:02sorry, no, that's a boundary.
43:08This was really fun.
43:10Are you happy we came over?
43:12Yeah.
43:18In the past, I have been Demi's lap dog,
43:20but I feel like I'm kind of in an era
43:22where I'm standing up for myself,
43:24and I honestly feel like Mom Talk is better off without her.
43:26Now we can finally start to heal.
43:28Well, I appreciate you guys coming over,
43:30but that was crazy.
43:32Well, I got some entertainment for the night.
43:34I feel like I was watching Jerry Springer.
43:42I didn't tell you why.
43:44I said there's a time and place for everything.
43:46And I said, shut up.
43:52I already got Terry on my way over here,
43:54so I'm like, okay.
43:56It's going to be good.
43:58I think it'll be healing.
44:00Well, it's something that I need to do.
44:02Oh, absolutely.
44:04I don't want to do it at all.
44:06I don't want to do this right now.
44:08I mean, it's been almost ten years,
44:10and I've never been to Eric's crash site,
44:12and I think it is really important to me
44:14on my healing journey,
44:16especially writing this book.
44:18And with all the drama that's in Mom Talk,
44:20sometimes it's easy to forget what's actually important,
44:22but this all happened.
44:24I said, I want to write a book to help other women
44:26so that they don't feel alone like I did
44:28when I was going through everything.
44:30It's like I never want to leave things at a bad note
44:32with, like, most anybody.
44:34Well, I get that,
44:36especially because you have so many regrets, too,
44:38the things that you said to Eric.
44:40Yeah, exactly.
44:42Maybe you still have a lot of that guilt.
44:44I do. It's like I have regrets.
44:46I regret what I said, unfortunately.
44:50I was 13 weeks and 5 days pregnant.
44:52Me and him got into a disagreement,
44:54mainly me.
44:56I was upset with him,
44:58and we were sending texts back and forth,
45:00and one of his texts was unfinished at the end of it,
45:02so I was kind of, like, waiting for him to respond.
45:04What were you doing when you found out?
45:06Do you remember?
45:08I was at, like, a Mexican restaurant,
45:10and I was, like, scrolling on my phone,
45:12and I saw someone post, like,
45:14R.I.P. Eric Mack.
45:16Like on Instagram? On Instagram.
45:18And I was like, what is this?
45:32I remember calling him and just, like,
45:34hoping.
45:36Just hoping he would answer.
45:42And the worst part of it was just hearing
45:44the dial tone and just being like,
45:46please God, like, answer the phone.
45:50I called his dad,
45:52and his dad told me
45:54that he passed and went in a car accident
45:56in Spanish Port Canyon.
45:58It was the most traumatic time of my entire life.
46:04It's okay.
46:06I think it's, like, triggering.
46:08Oh, for sure it's triggering, especially if you've never
46:10put yourself in that position.
46:14I know.
46:16Even after all these years, it's not like it's easier.
46:18I think it's really good, though, that you're going to see it,
46:20and hopefully it'll be closure.
46:22I know.
46:24I hope so.
46:26Oh, God, I have anxiety.
46:34Should we do a hug
46:36before we go out there?
46:38Yeah.
46:40I love you.
46:44Oh, don't cry already.
46:46You're going to make me cry.
46:48It's okay.
46:50It's okay.
46:52Flowers.
46:58I think it's at this marker
47:00right here.
47:02Oh, no.
47:08It's okay.
47:18Love you.
47:24I guess I will just leave this here, then.
47:26Yeah.
47:28I remember getting there for the funeral.
47:32And his parents had to hold me on each arm
47:34because I was just a wreck.
47:36I remember telling him that
47:38we were having a baby boy,
47:40and that I was so sorry
47:42for all the things that happened before he passed
47:44because I said some pretty hurtful things.
47:52Please.
48:02Oh.
48:06Macy is opening up
48:08about one of the hardest moments in her life.
48:10I feel like it's still really important
48:12with all the drama and all the toxic energy
48:14going around in mom talk right now.
48:16We still stand for being there for our friends.
48:18Do you want to say a little prayer?
48:20Sure.
48:22I'll say it for you.
48:24Okay, thank you.
48:26It means a lot to me that she's willing to trust me
48:28to be that person for her, as well.
48:30I'm praying for this beautiful day
48:32to be here to remember Eric.
48:34Please bless Macy and Eric's family
48:36that they get peace,
48:38and know that he is watching over them.
48:40And please bless Hudson
48:42that he can fill Eric in his life
48:44and know what an amazing young boy he is
48:46and how amazing Macy is.
48:48We say these things in the name of Jesus Christ.
48:50Amen.
48:52Why am I going to cry now?
48:54There's a weight that has been lifted off my shoulders.
48:56I think it's something that I've always had to do
48:58that I don't think I ever would have done
49:00if I didn't push myself to do it.
49:02I've always known from the beginning that Michaela
49:04is always going to have my back,
49:06and that's the best part of mom talk.
49:28Ah.
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49:44Hey!
49:46How are you?
49:48Wow, miniskirt. You look hot.
49:50How are you, stranger?
49:52It's been so long.
49:54How's skiing?
49:56I've never been up here to do your ballet.
49:58It's cool. I'm glad you asked me to talk.
50:00It's so good to see you.
50:02Can we go upstairs and talk?
50:04I have some stuff to talk to you about.
50:06I'm scared.
50:08Now that Demi has left mom talk and Jin is MIA,
50:10I want to finally get to the bottom of what actually happened in Italy.
50:12So I'm going straight to the source to get the truth once and for all.
50:14I know Marciano from the villa, so I reach out to him,
50:16and he agreed to come to Utah to meet with me.
50:18After you.
50:22Can I get you a water?
50:24Thank you so much.
50:26You're welcome.
50:28I am going to pour myself tequila.
50:30It's like pure tequila.
50:32You're not going to put anything in it.
50:34Should I?
50:36I wasn't going to.
50:38Do you want to sit right here?
50:40Yeah.
50:42What else has been going on?
50:44Not much.
50:46I just wanted to kind of get your side of the story.
50:48There's been a lot of talk from the girls
50:50of what happened in Italy
50:52and just very like he said, she said.
50:54And I loved me.
50:56But I think there's been so much talk
50:58of the opposite of what she's saying,
51:00so I just honestly want to know the truth.
51:04What did she say?
51:06Basically, when we first showed up to the villa,
51:08she was saying that
51:10you started hitting on her right away
51:12and just making little comments
51:14about her and how pretty she is
51:16and just things like that.
51:18And then progressively,
51:20you got more forward,
51:22she was saying.
51:24So when I put myself out there,
51:26I didn't really know what was going on
51:28because, oh, we have these like Mormon swingers.
51:30And it was like,
51:32we were like, what?
51:34I didn't really know what to think.
51:36But this girl, this woman to me
51:38is really pretty, really gorgeous.
51:40I want to try and entertain this.
51:42But then like
51:44everything just started to transpire
51:46and everything I think happened really fast.
51:48I didn't really understand the boundaries.
51:50You felt like she was flirting with you.
51:52I think it was like friendly, funny, flirtatious things
51:54that I mistook for
51:56not the friendly part.
51:58Like you were imagining
52:00like what was happening or like what do you mean?
52:02I think I'd be lying if I said
52:04that I didn't at least try
52:08and kiss her.
52:10I caught feelings for her, for sure,
52:12pretty quickly. I think that was because
52:14I was already like consumed with
52:16fantasy that she was open.
52:20If Brett wasn't around,
52:22would things be different? I don't know.
52:24I think, I don't think so.
52:26But, you know, whatever.
52:28What I'm really
52:30getting into, to be honest with you,
52:32it's like, it's not even just to me.
52:34It's a rumor
52:36that wasn't a rumor.
52:40With who?
52:42I just don't really know how to say this.
52:44God save us.
52:46Did you hear about the rumor?
52:48With Demi?
52:52With Jesse?
52:54I need to be straight up
52:56with y'all about how many DMs I've received.
52:58Oh, Jesse!
53:00Were you really kissing Marciano at TomTom
53:02publicly?
53:04Allegedly. It was Jesse from
53:06The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives making out
53:08in public with this guy.
53:10If I was like dumb enough to do that, I wouldn't do it in public.
53:12That was true?
53:14No.
53:16No.
53:18Wait, are you actually...
53:20No.
53:22One thing led to another.
53:24And you made out with her.
53:26Oh, more than that.
53:28As soon as I saw her, jumps into my arms,
53:30wraps her legs around my waist, and I'm almost like,
53:32I mean, I thought we were cool in like the villa,
53:34but then she was extremely forward.
53:36Have you guys still been in contact since then?
53:38Yeah, we have, and like, you know, we've tried meeting up
53:40and weird stuff. Meeting up.
53:42Yeah, it's just been like a really...
53:44To continue it?
53:46Yeah.
53:48Holy shit.
53:50Marciano and I are cool, but to be honest,
53:52I don't really know him that well.
53:54Should I believe him, or is he just full of shit?
53:56If he's telling the truth, people's friendships,
53:58reputations, and families could literally fall apart.
54:00This could change everything.
54:04Does Jordan know?
54:06He doesn't know the truth about how extensive it was.
54:08It's not just like a one-time hookup thing.
54:14Did you guys fuck?
54:18Oh, fuck.
54:22Marciano.
54:24That's what I said, like,
54:26it's not like this was just some freaking one-night stand.
54:30No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.