"Chairman PTI Aglay Prime Minister...", Akhir Honay Kya Wala Hai?

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00:00 Do you think that the elections in 2023 will be held?

00:14 I think that we always say that the country is going through a delicate period.

00:20 And indeed, it is a delicate period.

00:23 But what can we say about the current period?

00:26 I think that if you try to avoid elections,

00:30 or try to avoid elections in any way,

00:34 and if you try to delay the timing of the elections,

00:40 then it means that your trust in Pakistan has been broken.

00:45 You don't want the people of Pakistan, the people of Pakistan,

00:49 to express their opinion,

00:52 and bring their elected government,

00:57 and you refuse to do so.

00:59 I think that there is no other option.

01:02 No one has the right to express their opinion.

01:08 Mr. Gawande, I have a supplementary question.

01:11 You mentioned expressing your opinion.

01:13 Does the people have the right to express their opinion?

01:17 Because there is a lot of talk about the people being the eyes and ears of power.

01:20 But other political parties that do not succeed,

01:23 say that the expression of opinion is also managed in a different way.

01:28 What is your point of view on this?

01:31 You are absolutely right.

01:33 My complaint is that the elections in 1970 were very fair.

01:37 I have an objection to the elections in 1970.

01:39 I think that they were not fair, they were unfair.

01:41 And after that, no election was fair.

01:44 A movement was launched regarding the elections in 1977.

01:48 They managed the elections, but they did not manage the allegations.

01:54 The elections are still won.

01:56 Even today, if there is a fair and free election,

01:59 then the person who has been hanged for a long time,

02:02 who has been hanged for a long time,

02:05 has still been a relevant element of the election.

02:11 And he has not been killed.

02:14 After that, the elections that took place,

02:16 the elections of the 85th, the 1988, the 1994, the 1997,

02:26 the 2002, the 2008, the 2013, the 2018 elections,

02:34 the elections were very big.

02:36 So, no elections were fair.

02:39 The public's opinion is not respected.

02:44 The public's opinion is always crushed.

02:46 The public's opinion is always humiliated.

02:49 And it is not brought into the discussion.

02:54 Okay, Mr. Haider, what is your point of view on this?

02:59 What will you tell the world?

03:01 If everything is too far-fetched,

03:04 then what is the harm in having elections?

03:07 If elections are to be fair,

03:09 then do you see a way for it?

03:11 Do you see any signs?

03:13 I would say that slowly, slowly,

03:17 one thing is becoming clear, that Pakistan…

03:21 Mr. Nadeem, I had a question from Mr. Haider.

03:23 Yes, absolutely.

03:25 Look, elections will be held.

03:27 Elections have been held before too.

03:29 But generally, a narrative and a groundwork is laid.

03:33 You see, even in the 90s,

03:35 when Mr. Naseer Sahiba had to be removed,

03:38 a narrative was built,

03:40 why his government is failing,

03:42 is the phone tapping,

03:44 extrajudicial killing, corruption, corruption, corruption.

03:47 Then Mr. Nawaz Sharif had to be removed,

03:49 so a narrative was built.

03:51 Now, this time,

03:53 with respect to Mr. Nawaz Sharif and the People's Party,

03:57 the establishment,

03:59 the establishment had built a narrative with Mr. Khan for a long time.

04:03 And then Mr. Khan, with the help of the establishment,

04:06 with the help of the establishment at that time,

04:08 cashed it.

04:10 And our elections have been held in the same way.

04:12 And now it is obvious that Mr. Khan has been removed.

04:14 The removal of Mr. Khan was more abrupt, I think.

04:18 Not much narrative building was done in it,

04:20 apart from the useless.

04:22 And after that, when the narrative building was tried to be done after removing him,

04:27 then Mr. Khan, for the first time,

04:29 who is always selected,

04:31 and beloved, and celebrity,

04:33 and obviously,

04:35 after being proven to be a despicable prime minister

04:38 who has come from a very questionable election,

04:42 but when he is removed,

04:44 we see that his reaction comes,

04:46 and it was not expected.

04:48 That was because, I think,

04:50 in spite of the fact that Mr. Khan is very underwhelming,

04:53 and if you look at the points,

04:56 if not failed,

04:58 then at least there was no successful prime minister.

05:02 But despite this,

05:04 the narrative was not built in the way

05:06 that it was built against the parties of the entire 15 years.

05:10 So that's why we saw a reaction.

05:13 But anyway, the thing is that one thing has always been consistent.

05:18 If you get a majority,

05:20 you basically skip it.

05:23 After that, you become a part again,

05:26 the existing government of that time,

05:29 when it goes beyond favor,

05:32 then you come back after dealing,

05:34 dislodging it.

05:36 So Mr. Khan tried to deviate from this,

05:39 and he went very far in the fifth year.

05:42 You see that Nawaz Sharif is very smart,

05:45 and has gone through a lot of this system,

05:48 so he had a lot of allegations,

05:51 and everything was said on the basis of the current situation,

05:54 but he knew that a little behind,

05:57 Mariam Sahiba was also silent for many months,

06:02 so he paced.

06:04 One year, a whole year.

06:06 So he paced himself.

06:08 He thought that this was not happening for the first time,

06:10 history is repeating itself.

06:12 Mr. Khan, maybe because he is 70,

06:14 maybe because he has no children,

06:16 so there is no legacy,

06:18 so it is like all or nothing, now or never.

06:20 And then he went a lot further in that,

06:23 because he got a position that he was probably

06:26 believing that this time everything will be different,

06:30 then through partial success, by-election,

06:32 through Punjab,

06:34 he got an exception.

06:36 I get your point.

06:38 The point you mentioned,

06:40 I would like to ask you this question,

06:42 after that I have to go to brother Aitar.

06:44 You said that basically for 15-20 years,

06:47 a narrative was built.

06:49 A whole generation grew up listening to that narrative,

06:53 seeing that this person is a thief,

06:55 and this thing has settled in their minds.

06:59 Now you are talking about skip a term,

07:01 that skip a term and then come back,

07:04 so on what basis?

07:06 If the people want to vote for a party,

07:08 then how will they stay away from this process?

07:11 What method can be adopted for that?

07:14 What method has always been adopted,

07:17 Nawaz Sharif would have won the 2018 election,

07:20 if you had not convicted him,

07:22 if you had not deprived him of campaigning,

07:24 if you had not made him incapable,

07:26 if you had not removed him.

07:28 This is a very basic,

07:30 ABC, you are telling them to go and do the alphabet book,

07:34 this is the alphabet book,

07:37 and the same thing has always been successful.

07:40 Will there ever be a difference?

07:42 Have we reached there?

07:44 Probably not.

07:46 But your saying that,

07:48 let me tell you,

07:50 the two wings of political flight,

07:52 I used to think,

07:54 and I have said this many times,

07:56 one is acceptance,

07:58 one is acceptance,

08:00 but I was wrong.

08:02 Actually, your one wing is a failure,

08:06 the acceptance one,

08:08 if it is cut off and taken away from you,

08:11 then it is not that there are two wings,

08:13 one is a prerequisite.

08:15 When acceptance is there,

08:17 then acceptance will matter,

08:19 when acceptance is not there,

08:21 then acceptance matters,

08:23 because then you have to be dealt with and negotiated that way.

08:25 But what seems to be the best case scenario,

08:28 that when they lose this election,

08:30 if they lose,

08:32 which seems to be the case,

08:34 then can they inflict such a cost,

08:36 that after 2-3 years,

08:38 they will encash it.

08:40 Looking at the political scenario and history of Pakistan,

08:42 I am saying this,

08:44 obviously, I don't know what will happen.

08:46 But what is happening till now,

08:48 Khan Sahib is not becoming your next Prime Minister.

08:50 That much is pretty much,

08:52 historically, if you see,

08:54 that much is pretty much.

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