Graham and Dave looked at one of the most talked about horrors in recent years, Talk To Me, and ask if it really is the scariest horror of the last decade?
We also enjoy a rant about PRO-MAN Barbie. Enjoy.
We also enjoy a rant about PRO-MAN Barbie. Enjoy.
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00:00 Hello and welcome back to Not Everyone's a Film Critic, a vodcast or a podcast if you
00:10 prefer, brought to you by the Scotsman and presented by myself as always, Graeme Falk.
00:15 I'm joined as always by Dave Hepburn. Dave, how are you doing? You all right?
00:18 Good morning, Graeme. Doing well. Yes, I'm in Edinburgh right now and the sun's come
00:21 out for the first time in about two days. So everything's looking a bit brighter. It's
00:26 good. It's good.
00:27 That intro, by the way, is ingrained in my head. I say it just randomly at times during
00:31 the day. I don't know if anyone noticed that.
00:33 You do say it exactly the same time every time. It's very impressive. It's very professional.
00:36 You're always professional.
00:38 Taglines. What can I say? It's not a bigger week as it was last week with Barbie and Oppenheimer,
00:46 admittedly, but I think we're coming up to that time where the good stuff's coming because
00:51 summer's kind of dying off, even though the sun is out even in Glasgow today. We are starting
00:56 to see that die down a little bit and then people want to go in the cinema. So people
01:00 tend to go for the just after summer blockbusters and then leading up to sort of September time,
01:06 October time, you get your horrors and yada, yada, yada. So it's great.
01:09 However, we're in, I think it came out in August technically because, or maybe, no,
01:13 it was July, end of July. There is a horror film that's came out this week. And as always,
01:18 we are going to do reviews of films we've seen this week. Now, the film we're going
01:21 to talk about, if you're interested, is going to be Talk to Me. But before we do, Dave,
01:25 have you seen anything else at the cinema?
01:28 Well, not really, because I don't think anyone has, because there's Barbie and Oppenheimer
01:32 who have taken over every single screen, and that's great. There's no problem with that.
01:36 But who's going to release a film at the same time as Barbie and Oppenheimer? You're not
01:40 going to get many bums on seats. So what I did do is I went to see Barbie again for the
01:45 second time, and I can review it very, very shortly for a second viewing. So I got different
01:51 things out of it the second time around. I tend to go into films now without reading
01:54 any reviews, which may be bad of me, considering I work for a newspaper. But I like to know
01:59 nothing about films, so I read nothing about Barbie beforehand, although I realise that
02:02 it's had mixed reactions and certain controversial opinions from controversial people. So after
02:08 I'd seen it for the first time, I read everything about it, and I read what Piers Morgan was
02:12 saying about it, and what all of the lunatic fringes on either side of the political spectrum
02:18 were saying about it. And going back to see it after reading all of those is quite an
02:22 interesting experience, because all the way through, you're kind of ticking things off,
02:25 where you're going, "No, that kind of review's wrong, just wrong. I mean, it isn't a matter
02:29 of opinion. It's wrong because this is what Greta Gerwig has done here." And you say,
02:32 "Well, she did this," which means that is not the case. You're wrong, Piers Morgan.
02:36 You're wrong about it just being a toy advert. You're wrong about it being a feminist diatribe.
02:40 These things just aren't true because Greta Gerwig is too clever for that. I think she's
02:44 worked out all of the things that would be said about it negatively in advance, and I
02:48 think she's put things into the film to really make sure that none of those hold any water.
02:54 And I think it's a far cleverer film than I realised the first time, and it's definitely
02:58 worth a second view, as I think Will Oppenheimer and Lou Ford seem to be, which I might do
03:03 this week too. But there's very little out of the cinema, and good for Talk To Me for
03:07 coming out at this time, because it's this counter-programming that they talk about,
03:12 that they say, "Well, even though there's big films out in the cinema," because you
03:16 still want Mission Impossible out in the cinema too, so there's three massive blockbusters,
03:19 but what if, A, you've seen all of those and you want to see something different, or you're
03:23 one of the people who just are not interested in seeing these big blockbusters, what do
03:27 you do? You put a horror film out, seems to have done the job, so it's doing very good
03:30 box office, which again is great to see. Like we keep on saying, fantastic to see people
03:35 going to cinema, and even with these big films out, there's still room for other films in
03:39 cinema. So I feel more people are going to cinema, they're enjoying the cinema, they
03:43 might not have been back for a wee while. They've gone to see Barbie, they've gone
03:45 to see Oppenheimer, going, "Wait a second, going to cinema's great, we've forgotten
03:48 how much fun it is going to cinema. We're going to get a cinema card, we're going to
03:52 get that, we're going to go to cinema more." So I think genuinely, the whole Barbie/Oppenheimer
03:57 thing will actually benefit other films and benefit cinemas, and I think it's looking
04:02 like it's in route to health now, which is great news for us, and for cinemas, and for
04:05 everyone else.
04:06 Yeah, I 100% agree, and I think what's interesting is, look, I know a lot of people go, "Oh,
04:11 rotten tomatoes, brrr." But I think it's worth its salt. You've got your reviews on
04:17 there, and you've also got on top of that, you've got things like the audience reviews,
04:21 and sometimes they can differ so much, and I think that sort of speaks volumes, I think
04:24 that's really good, it's something that I really like. And all those three films, so
04:29 Barbie's on 90% at the moment, then you've got Talk To Me's on 95%, and Oppenheimer's
04:35 on 96%, which, however way you swing it, means that there's three films in the cinema right
04:41 now that are borderline perfect across the board from audiences and also critics.
04:47 I think Mission Impossible will be up there as well, and I'm not sure exactly what the
04:51 rating is, but I expect it to be high 80s at the very least, if not just edging into
04:55 90s, because I've read very, very few bad reviews of Mission Impossible. So, excepting
05:01 Indiana Jones and Hunker Junker, whatever it's called, I mean, all these films have
05:05 really been hitting hard, hitting well, critically and commercially.
05:09 I've just checked for you, 96%, so there's actually four films.
05:13 So four over 90 in the cinema at the same time, when was the last time that happened?
05:16 Can't be for a long, long time, so yeah, good news.
05:19 Has it ever happened? Because I remember like, when Jurassic Park and all that came out,
05:23 but was there anyone else with it at the same time?
05:25 I don't know, I can't remember that many blockbusters coming out at the same time, because, I mean,
05:30 even Indiana Jones, a lot of people went to see Indiana Jones, that was only like three
05:33 weeks before these, so in the space of a month, really big films coming out.
05:38 And like I say, you'd have thought it might have been a slightly silly tactic, and they
05:42 should have maybe left it a little bit later to get more customers for any one of them,
05:46 but it seems to have worked, and it seems to be a critical mass of films getting people
05:51 into big screens and off their couches, because none of them can be streamed, which is also
05:54 the key thing as well, isn't it? So none of these are Netflix films, none of these have
05:58 done a deal with Apple or anything like this, and can be seen.
06:01 You can only see them on the big screen, otherwise you're going to have to wait for ages and
06:05 ages and ages.
06:06 Proper cinema. And I think it's been really good, like I've been really pleased, like
06:09 it's, I'm excited whenever I go to the cinema, so, but I'm a bit different with that, and
06:13 I think we're a bit different, hence why we have done this for about 4,000 episodes.
06:19 But there was an added excitement, like going to see Bobby Oppenheimer, and even talk to
06:23 me, like, I mean, I was meant to go see it on the Friday, I've got to be honest, didn't
06:28 really feel up for it from a mental perspective, so I didn't bother going to see it, and I
06:33 went to see it on the Sunday.
06:34 But I remember the Tuesday, it was actually the unlimited secret screening, and that really
06:38 frustrated me that I didn't bother going to the cinema for a secret screening, but does
06:42 that mean that next time there's a secret screening, I might actually go? Do you know
06:46 what I mean? Like, that kind of thing is like, I don't know, it feels like it's invigorated
06:51 stuff a little bit. I find the whole discussion around Bobby being anti-man, and I know everyone
06:59 has their own opinion and subjectivism and stuff, but like, I don't know if you can have
07:02 that opinion, because it's just not.
07:04 No, your death is, and I actually watched the film again, genuinely, the way Ken and
07:08 the Kens are treated, I mean, she makes it very clear, without going into too much, that
07:13 basically at the start of the film, Ken is treated awfully, he is treated very, very
07:17 badly, and at the start of the film, Bobby's almost the baddie at the start of the film,
07:20 and by the end of the film, she admits that she was treating Ken very badly, so one gender
07:25 was treating the other badly, but it was the opposite way round from the same world, basically
07:31 from our world, and then they made their way to a better position by the end of the film.
07:37 There's actually nothing controversial or anti-man about that, and it's a very odd stance
07:41 to take, and I do think the majority of people who have that opinion have not seen the film,
07:46 I think that they've seen a clip of the film. It's like one of these things, I've seen the
07:49 trailer and I think it's anti-man, and you go, well, you can't determine that from the
07:52 trailer, you have to go and see the film, but most of them haven't.
07:55 And if it is, is that a bad thing?
07:58 Well, I mean, no, not necessarily, not everything has to be pro-man or treat men with equality,
08:05 you can have a funny film that doesn't, however this doesn't, and that's the thing, you couldn't
08:09 criticise it for it, if there's any argument, there's no intellectual argument that it is
08:13 anti-man in any way, shape or form.
08:15 There is bits that are funny, like the bit where he said he didn't even like the patriarchy
08:19 when he found out it wasn't about horses, men and their horses, but if people are getting
08:25 offended by that, I mean, come on, how thin is your skin?
08:28 It's people wanting to be offended, and they've decided to latch onto this, and they've become
08:32 offended by it. And some people are taking offence at Oppenheimer now as well, people
08:36 just like taking offence at stuff, but it's best to ignore them, I think, and not give
08:39 them any more alternate publicity, which is why actually we shouldn't even be talking
08:43 about it, and I started this, and I shouldn't even talk about these people, who needs to
08:46 hear the words 'Piers Morgan' anywhere? Nobody.
08:50 Yeah, yeah.
08:52 My fault.
08:53 As a trainee journalist, and now as a fully formed one, I don't mind having a controversial
08:57 opinion, he is the least inspirational journalist I've ever come across in my life, and I don't
09:03 really care if he's offended by that, which he probably will be, because he probably thinks
09:07 he's on the walk leftist, loving Barbie, pink wearing, I don't know, who cares? I'm not,
09:14 for the record. But rant over, we're here to talk about films, not people that aren't
09:19 in films, good films. Talk to me, about 'Talk to Me'.
09:24 Yes, I will talk to you about 'Talk to Me', you see, this was always going to be confusing,
09:29 wasn't it? Well, 'Talk to Me', for those who don't know, it's a film that, if you think
09:33 about the plot, it's about teenagers getting possessed by dead people via a very kind of
09:41 weird thing where somebody, a clairvoyant's hand has been sealed in ceramics, and if you
09:49 shake the hand and say 'Talk to Me', you see the dead spirits, you see the dead person.
09:55 They don't shake it like all of them.
09:57 Well, they kind of, no, they do shake it, they kind of shake it like this.
10:01 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
10:08 Oh, talk to me, mate, mate, talk to me!
10:11 What I'm saying is that the set up is clunky at best, I mean it really is.
10:16 I think it's good. No, I think it's good.
10:18 Yeah, I don't know, where's, yeah.
10:20 Because it's got like levels that, look, we're going to get into it here, it's got like levels that have been elevated, right?
10:25 Yeah.
10:26 Like, in that elevated horror.
10:28 Thank you very much, Scream.
10:30 But I think at the same time, like, when it comes to the actual film itself, I thought it was clever having the idea of like an embalmed hand.
10:37 Like, it's kind of old school practical special effects, and I like the fact that, because when they touch the hand, for people who haven't seen it,
10:44 and we'll not give it away, and I think it's quite hard to, whilst we can also explain a lot of the stuff.
10:48 Yes.
10:49 And if you've seen the trailer, which you most likely have.
10:51 It's in the trailer, yeah.
10:52 Yeah, when they touch hands, they kind of go, and go backwards, and they make this kind of gargling noise,
10:58 and there's a moment where you're like, are they going to choke?
11:01 And it happens every time where people go, are they going to choke?
11:04 And that adds extra suspense to it.
11:07 I think it's very much down the line, you know, of, and this is big praise for, I mean, we've got to remember,
11:13 this film's made by two people called Raka Raka, who are big YouTubers.
11:17 Yeah, they're guys called Danny and Michael Philippus, who I've not heard of yet.
11:22 Yeah, because I'm not a YouTuber guy, and it is quite interesting, so I only found out that it was done by YouTubers.
11:28 So for those who don't know the basic plot, it's about a group of kids who basically get addicted to letting dead people into their bodies,
11:35 and they get a kind of high from it, and even though the experience is unpleasant, afterwards they feel kind of giddy with excitement,
11:41 and, you know, it's basically like a drug.
11:44 It's basically like a drug for them.
11:45 So it is, like you say, it is a kind of elevated horror, which is kind of about addiction.
11:48 It's also about grief, because one of the kids has lost their mother in tragic circumstances,
11:55 and ends up speaking to somebody who may or may not be her mother via a kid who's taken this drug/become possessed.
12:03 So it's interesting that it is made by YouTubers, and actually when you realize that afterwards, it makes sense,
12:08 because it does have that kind of feeling of that.
12:11 There's lots of bits of people sharing videos, which means that people want to get involved in it,
12:17 and that's how the protagonist ends up going to a party.
12:20 She sees this stuff happening on YouTube, and it's interesting.
12:23 I was looking into it, and apparently there's a trend with young people,
12:27 I'm going to sound very old here, but young people, teenagers,
12:30 taking videos of their friends having bad trips on psychedelic drugs, and putting it up online,
12:37 which just sounds the most horrific thing ever.
12:39 Why would kids want to do this?
12:41 So I was watching it going, this is a bit far-fetched.
12:43 Why would you do this to your friends?
12:45 Why would you want to make idiots of them while they're having an experience which could be really, really dangerous for their health?
12:51 But apparently kids actually do this stuff.
12:53 - Yeah, I mean... - Yeah, it's remarkable.
12:56 We're going very, very deep here, but I believe there was a trend of people filming themselves after they'd taken,
13:03 I won't name the drug, but a very out-there drug, and they were filming themselves,
13:08 and that became a bit of a trend.
13:09 So there is a link to it, because the YouTubers that have made it are called, their YouTube name is RakaRaka.
13:16 Never heard of them, but again, I'm not out of the YouTube world.
13:19 I have my own YouTube channel, but I'm not in the YouTube world.
13:23 I don't know, to me, Jake Paul was a boxer before he was a YouTuber, if that makes sense.
13:27 I know who KSI is, because he has a drink that's actually quite nice.
13:31 I'm not going to name his name.
13:34 But I've never heard of them, but they have over a million followers or something,
13:40 so they've obviously got a decent backing.
13:42 But I quite like that, it's a YouTuber, you know.
13:44 I know a lot of people say content creation and stuff like that is damaging real filmmaking and stuff like that,
13:51 but I thought it was really fresh.
13:52 I thought the take on it was fresh.
13:54 I agree.
13:55 The thing is that old people like KSI make it, "Oh, YouTubers, blah-di-blah-di-blah."
13:59 The fact is that there's always been a history of people who made adverts and music videos
14:05 ending up basically making films.
14:07 So you look at all of the old-school directors who've done that.
14:11 Ridley Scott started off doing that, as did his brother.
14:14 So it's kind of the new version of making music videos.
14:17 Who makes music videos anymore?
14:18 So people do YouTube instead, and that's how funders for films consider calling cards.
14:24 It's obviously worked very well here, because it's a really, really entertaining film
14:27 and I think we both recommend anybody sees, just as long as you've got a relatively strong stomach.
14:32 It's got some fairly gory bits, and not to give away the really brutal scenes,
14:36 because that would spoil it, particularly the bit with the dog.
14:39 Oh, man.
14:42 That, oh my God, that scene.
14:46 It's quite strong.
14:47 It's quite something.
14:48 It's unlike anything I've seen before, I think.
14:50 And it's gore.
14:53 I'm not going to give away the scene.
14:55 And it's not about a dog dying or anything like that, so don't be put off if you worry about scenes.
14:59 I don't like seeing things like that either.
15:01 It looks fine.
15:02 I mean, actually, the dog seems to have rather a nice time.
15:04 Yeah.
15:09 But it's one of the most disturbing things I've seen in a cinema.
15:12 I went to see it with Ashley, and Ashley loved it, loved it even more than I did.
15:16 And at that moment, I looked at Ashley like that, and Ashley was going.
15:22 Yes.
15:24 Oddly, it's actually -- when you've seen the film, or if you've seen the film, you'll understand that's actually not a gruesome horror thing.
15:32 It's just random filmmaking that actually makes you feel really uncomfortable and adds to the suspense.
15:37 It does.
15:38 And the intense anxiety about it.
15:41 Yeah, yeah, because some of the things that are said, again, I'm not giving away, but people kind of lose control of what their inhibitions would be
15:48 and end up speaking truths that they would not otherwise want to speak, which is then amplified by the fact that it's being videoed
15:55 and is available for anybody to see online, which did actually make me feel very, very disturbed.
15:59 So I was just thinking about the things that I've done that I would not want to be videoed and broadcast to millions around the world,
16:04 including this very vodcast.
16:09 Apparently now it's on TV as well.
16:11 It's on TV as well, yeah.
16:13 I went, "Oh, I want to get my hair cut," the other day.
16:15 This is revealing off ever so slightly. People can tell my hair's a bit shorter.
16:19 And when I walked in, the guy went, "I saw you on the telly the other day."
16:23 It was this.
16:24 We're on, I believe it's Shots TV now.
16:27 Shots TV, yes.
16:29 So if you want to watch it on a bigger screen, which I wouldn't recommend because it's me and Dave.
16:32 Massive, like 52-inch screen, that's what you want.
16:36 Don't do that. Don't watch us big, our big silly faces on a big screen.
16:39 Just watch it on a small screen, it's fine. Do it on your phone, which is a lot easier way.
16:43 But yes, we are on, we're TV stars is what we're saying, basically.
16:48 We are YouTubers now.
16:52 But Talk Me was good. I loved it.
16:54 I thought it was a great, great film.
16:57 I give it a nine out of ten.
16:59 I would agree.
17:00 I think you can tell by the way that we're speaking.
17:02 It's like we're excited about it.
17:06 Like we're getting giddy and excitable and talking about it.
17:09 And it will not surprise anyone that I'm like an absolute horror nut.
17:13 And I was quite excited beforehand because obviously I wrote about when it was coming out and stuff like that.
17:18 You know, the article of when it was released, what it was about.
17:21 And I've seen like a lot of reviews from, because it was at Sundance Festival,
17:26 which is where there was a bidding war between Warner Brothers, I think, and A24.
17:32 And that was an A24 film, but it was released by Altitude, I think, in the UK.
17:37 However, distributed, sorry, by Altitude.
17:40 But it is like an A24 film, basically, which is obviously big.
17:43 But I think there was a big bidding war after how well it went down at the Sundance Film Festival this year.
17:50 So I was quite excited about it.
17:52 And then I seen one person had commented that it was, what did they say again?
17:56 They said that it was the scariest horror movie of the last decade.
18:00 Now, that's what our topic of conversation is today.
18:03 Long story short is Talk Me is really good.
18:05 Whether you're a horror fan or whether you're not, I think it will offer a lot of questions,
18:09 a lot of intrigue, a lot of excitement.
18:11 It will gross you out a bit.
18:13 It will also make you excited.
18:14 It will make you jump.
18:15 It's a great film.
18:17 But the statement being it was the scariest horror film of the last decade.
18:21 Now, we've wrote an article on this.
18:22 If you don't want to watch us speaking, which is understandable, go read the article.
18:26 It's on The Scotsman, where myself and Dave and also Lauren, one of our colleagues,
18:31 horror fan, great journalist, great person, has also done, you know, 200 words or so
18:37 on whether this is the scariest movie of the last decade.
18:40 Now, if you want to read the article now, go and do it now.
18:43 If you would rather listen to us then read the article, you can do that as well.
18:47 It's a big, big statement.
18:49 Now, that was in my mind when I came out of the picture and when I went into the picture.
18:57 And when I left, I couldn't say it wasn't.
19:00 I'll give more of my opinion on it.
19:03 I couldn't say it wasn't.
19:06 But I've decided it's not.
19:08 [Laughter]
19:10 But that's such high praise because of that.
19:14 But Dave, what we're going to do is first and foremost I want your opinion on if it
19:18 is the scariest film of the last decade and if not, how far away it is.
19:23 And then we're going to pick our top three scariest films of the last decade for Horrorhead.
19:28 So if you want to go see Talk to Me and then you think I want something scarier, that if
19:32 we do think there's things that are scarier than it, Dave, we can also recommend what
19:36 they are.
19:37 >> Yes.
19:38 >> So firstly, is it the scariest horror film of the last decade?
19:42 If not, how far away is it from being that?
19:45 >> Well, you see, I did not find it scary.
19:47 I think a lot of horror is kind of subjective and I think it's down to taste and also what
19:50 you're scared of.
19:51 People are scared of different things.
19:52 I mean, some people could be afraid of being buried alive.
19:55 And a very poor film about being buried alive will still be about someone being buried alive
19:59 and it will be very scary to people.
20:01 I think, and as some of you were talking about before, is that I think there's -- you can
20:05 have a very good horror film that isn't necessarily scary.
20:08 I don't think all horror films have to be scary.
20:11 I think maybe the best ones are perhaps.
20:14 I think this is a really, really good horror film.
20:17 But for me it's not.
20:18 I mean, I was looking at the horror films the last ten years and we've talked about
20:21 this before as well, how many great horror films there have been in the last ten years.
20:25 And actually one or two of my choices, ones that came close, are almost ten years old
20:29 now.
20:30 Some are about 11 or 12 years old.
20:32 But there's an embarrassment of riches there.
20:34 I would not put this in the top 40, believe it or not, of scariest.
20:39 Now, is it in my opinion one of the top ten or 15 best horror films?
20:44 I think it is.
20:45 It's just that it didn't personally scare me.
20:47 Like I didn't have nightmares.
20:48 I didn't come out of the cinema being disturbed.
20:50 Particularly there were some scenes that ghosted me out, slightly freaked me out.
20:54 But I wasn't going to have nightmares about it.
20:56 And I do sometimes have nightmares about horror films.
20:58 And those do tend to be the best ones.
21:00 There are also horror films that I come out of and go, that was amazing, that was terrifying.
21:04 I never want to see that again.
21:06 That was genuinely scary.
21:07 And I didn't even maybe even enjoy it that much because it was so scary.
21:11 And this I will definitely watch again.
21:13 Like I am looking forward to seeing it again because I think there's a lot going on there
21:16 which I'll see for a second time.
21:18 And I think it will bear up to repeated viewing.
21:20 So, no, for me, it's not even close.
21:23 But again, I would say part of that is that I'm not really freaked out by the kind of
21:28 possession-y, ghost-y type things so much, I don't think.
21:33 And also I thought it was funny enough.
21:36 Because it is very funny as well, which we've not mentioned.
21:38 But it is a very funny film.
21:40 And I think the moments of comedy kind of punctured for me any kind of building dread.
21:46 And again, that isn't a bad thing.
21:48 I think a lot of people like that.
21:50 A lot of people don't want to be stressed out for a film.
21:52 And I didn't find it stressful at all because it was quite funny.
21:54 And it was a bit silly as well.
21:56 And some of the practical effects, while good, I found quite funny as well.
22:00 Because there's lots of really gory stuff of bits hanging out.
22:04 And I found that kind of funnier rather than scarier.
22:08 But again, I don't think it matters.
22:10 A lot of my favourite horror films don't scare me.
22:12 Something like Phantasm doesn't scare me.
22:14 Something like Original Fear doesn't scare me.
22:16 It's just I think a really good horror film.
22:18 So not for me, but I still think it's a great film.
22:21 But not as scary as the ones we're going to talk about.
22:24 >> You don't know I'm not putting it in my top three?
22:28 >> Because -- oh, you might do, actually.
22:30 You said it isn't the scariest.
22:32 It could be in your top three.
22:34 Am I right enough, actually?
22:36 Is it in your top three?
22:38 >> Yes.
22:40 >> It is!
22:42 It is the job for you.
22:44 >> I'll explain why.
22:46 It's going to go second, right?
22:48 So it's a bit weird.
22:50 But the reason why is -- so Elevated Horror for me can be particularly scary.
22:58 So without going too deep into it, I don't think I'm in a minority of people here to say that I have quite bad anxiety.
23:04 Which is not great.
23:06 So I think Elevated Horror does connect to stuff like anxiety, grief, depression.
23:10 It concentrates on all those kind of things.
23:12 Midsomers is a big one.
23:14 The whole thing is a break up.
23:16 It's got the grief element in it with the start of the movie and stuff like that.
23:18 I think that's what a lot of horror directors are doing all of a sudden.
23:22 I know I didn't like it, but like Bo is Afraid is very much a film about anxiety.
23:28 And social anxiety and everything that comes with it.
23:32 Pardon me.
23:34 But with that comes probably more fear from my side.
23:38 I can deal with gore and horror.
23:40 Because that guy's arm is not going to get snapped off by a clown.
23:42 That's just funny.
23:44 You know what I mean?
23:46 There's not a guy called Art the Clown that's going to go around murdering people with a chain saw.
23:48 It's just funny.
23:50 That doesn't bother me.
23:52 But some people get affected by gore and stuff like that.
23:54 Whereas me, if anything, I probably get more scared by -- I don't know whether we agree with this comment.
24:00 Because I think horror has always been Elevated, but Elevated Horror.
24:02 Basically the new school of directors like Ari Aster and whatnot that are bringing out films that are -- like Jordan Peele, for example, is probably the prime example.
24:12 That have a social conscience, shall we say.
24:14 Or a meaning behind it.
24:16 And natural horror.
24:18 That scares me more.
24:20 There's tons of it in this in Talk to Me.
24:22 There's tons of it.
24:24 There's almost the -- because obviously she loses her mum at the beginning of the movie.
24:26 And there's debate whether it was suicide or whether she was just taking too many sleeping pills.
24:30 And I won't tell you what happens.
24:32 Because there's a question that is throughout the movie.
24:34 Whether she killed herself or whether she didn't.
24:36 And that tortures the girl quite a bit.
24:38 But it makes her kind of weird to her peers.
24:40 And there's a bit at the start where they say, like, oh, why do you have to invite her?
24:42 She's so weird.
24:44 And then when she offers to touch the hand, they're like, oh, hey, this idiot wants to do it because no one really likes her.
24:46 So there's even the element of, like, you know, I feel like an outsider.
24:48 I feel like a bit of a loner.
24:50 I feel like a bit of a weirdo.
24:52 Because I'm not a weirdo.
24:54 I'm not a weirdo.
24:56 I'm not a weirdo.
24:58 I feel like a bit of a loner.
25:00 I feel like a bit of a weirdo.
25:02 Because of stuff that's natural for you to be upset and grief-stricken.
25:04 Whilst there's also elements of anxiety throughout the film and the way that it works.
25:06 And there's all of that elevated social conscience, whatever you want to call it, sort of horror within the film.
25:08 But there's also loads of actually difficult scenes to watch.
25:10 It doesn't just go with one or the other.
25:12 It's not just like, well, this is really gory and hard to watch and difficult to watch.
25:14 But it has no deep meaning.
25:26 It has both.
25:28 And for me, that's why I found it more scary.
25:30 Because that's what sort of scares me.
25:32 There's a mix of them both.
25:34 Things that I actually found quite hard to watch.
25:36 Sometimes I can get away with the gory stuff and it's fine.
25:38 But it was actually quite close to home.
25:40 Like the kid, like, banging his head.
25:42 There's a bit where the kid bangs his head and something happens with an eye.
25:44 And even though it's very unlikely to happen in the way that it happens in the movie, it is possible for someone to go absolutely manic.
25:46 And that's the hard part.
25:48 I do find eye stuff difficult to watch.
25:50 Just a bit.
25:52 But it would be number two for me.
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