CM Sindh Murad Ali Shah hints at voting in favor of census
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00:00 to start with, Mujtarika Mafadat Council ke idlaas ka koi daawat nama aaya hai aap tak as we speak?
00:06 Abhi tak nahi aaya. As we speak abhi tak nahi aaya. Ine suna hai hoona hai CCI ka idlaas. Tekin again... Officially aapko... Ufne liye koi tala nahi aayi. Theek hai. And as we speak, aapki position aaj yehi hai ki agar CCI hoti hai toh aap usme is baat ko oppose karenge ke nahi hum nai census ke taht nahi jaasete.
00:24 Meri jo issues the census ke saath. It's not a yes or no wali thing na. 2017 mein census hua. Humme bohot shadeed itraazaat the us census hai. Main us bhag bhi Chief Minister tha. MLN ki government thi at the centre.
00:38 Main wahid shaks tha CCI ke andar jisne usko oppose kiya tha. Theek hai. Aur us opposition ki wajah se, mera khale jo unhone way out nikal hai. Doh main usse agree nahi kar raha hai. Mere hai dissenting note hai. Ki iss census ko approve na karein. Aap fill for doosra census karayen. Theek hai. Toh unhone phir yeh faisla kiya jo main usme shamil nahi tha.
00:58 Ki hum isko approve karte. 7 is to 1. Saath logon ne favour kiya. Ek ne oppose kiya. Aur hum dubara census karayenge before the next election. Correct. CCI ka har faisla consensus se hua. Yeh pehla faisla tha jo consensus se nahi hua. Okay. CCI ka koi faisla parliament mein challenge nahi hua. Yeh faisla Sindh hukumat ne parliament mein challenge kiya.
01:19 Phir yeh digital census hua. Digital census jaisi shuru hai usme mujhe phir itraazat the. Maine kya kaha ki ji aap access deyen. Jo maine pehli the. Ab toh maine kaha digital hai aur aasaan hai access dena. Sahe hai. Aur maine kaha DC ko jo AC hai usko apne level pe access deyen. DC ko deyen and so on. Chief Minister ya Chief Secretary ko access deyen aap. Theek hai. Poore Sindh ka.
01:40 of the whole Sindh. We got that access. This never happened before, that is why we were
01:45 able to see the numbers, people were seeing whether I was being counted less or more.
01:49 The access you got; your opponents are criticising you on this. MKM says that the minister has
01:54 taken the DCs access and used it to do a lot of nonsense with the numbers, and CM Sindh
01:58 via DCs is creating an imbalance between rural and urban Sindh. This is on record. What is
02:03 the need of access? I must have talked to an illiterate person for so many days, with
02:07 a lot of apologies. What is the need of access? I am telling this to others, everyone was
02:12 getting this information. Without access, if I... First of all, this cannot happen.
02:16 Yes, he said this to me on record. I said it to an illiterate person, apologies. I take
02:21 my apologies back. I said it to an illiterate person. I just want to explain that what is
02:26 the need of access for this? If I can do this, I will tell DC that Waseem Badami does not
02:32 have to be counted. If I had that power, why would I need access to tell Waseem Badami
02:39 that he is not being counted? Interestingly, he also says this. See, Waseem, these airy
02:46 things, I am telling you concrete things. He is also talking concrete things. For example,
02:51 he says that Karachi is being counted less. What is the proof for this? For example, there
02:56 is one proof that in the first death, 29 lakh houses were counted in Karachi, although 35
03:00 lakhs is just a meter of K electric. At least 10 lakhs houses were counted less. I counted.
03:05 Who? At least data was not being shared at that time. They would have known this when
03:10 they did not share data. How would they have known 29 lakhs? Now, he is saying this.
03:15 The data was shared with your people. They say that we have met 56 people. No, no, data.
03:19 We fought. Anyway, it is all their credit. May Allah bless them. They also say this.
03:24 Because they were talking very openly, I am asking you. That the urban Sindh is being
03:27 counted less. Dehi Sindh is being counted more. And they are saying that it is so illogical
03:31 that if you just calculate it, then it will make no sense. Why did the census happen in
03:37 2023, in 2022? Because the 17th was raised. 17th was wrong. Now, the basis that was wrong,
03:44 you are saying that by making it the basis, you understand my point? You are saying that
03:48 that number was wrong. That is why they are doing it again. That is why they are doing
03:51 it again. They say that it is strange that the population of Dehi Sindh is increasing
03:55 by a small percentage according to this census. And the urban Sindh is increasing by a small
03:59 percentage of Karachi, Hyderabad. This is very illogical. Everyone can see that more
04:02 people live in the city. This is wrong. I am sorry to tell you this. Karachi is right
04:07 now, we ourselves, I am not saying this, I don't say that because it will be politically
04:12 wrong. But it is bursting, it seems. People, many people have left Karachi. Again, I don't
04:20 want to go into controversy. So, you actually think that the population of Karachi is increasing
04:23 by a small percentage as compared to Dehi Sindh? I am not saying this. I am not saying this.
04:26 That is not a number. Look, I cannot say, you cannot say, count the numbers. But there
04:30 is no circumstantial evidence that you can see, that observation that most of the people
04:34 are coming from Dehi to the city or from the city to Dehi. You just check. Look, everything
04:39 is the work of the census people. And this is why I said that arm the data so that people
04:45 know the data. Now it is too late. Now it is practically not possible that the next
04:48 election will be based on the numbers of the new census. No, I am not saying this. Now,
04:52 look, the next election will be based on whatever the CCI approves. So, your vote is very important
04:56 in the CCI. If my vote comes, when I look in front, I do not have the numbers, I do
05:00 not have the working paper. If the things that we have, even after that, I, even after
05:04 the census. Sir, I am sorry, it would be wrong to say that you have decided that you will
05:08 oppose this in the CCI. No, I have not decided this. It is a bit too early to say this. It
05:11 is too early. Yes. You may or you may not agree with it. I have raised concerns that
05:16 if the concerns of the people of Sindh are not addressed, I will not be here. But if
05:20 addressed, then you may vote for it. I will not be in a position to support the census.
05:25 But if your concerns are addressed, then you vote in his favour. If the concerns are addressed
05:30 and I see that the numbers are there. They are making sense. They are making sense. Coming
05:34 back to your question, I was the one who raised all these issues. The government of Sindh,
05:39 the cabinet of Sindh raised these issues. Because of us, these things became public
05:43 and transparent. And we are the ones who are being blamed for it. They are saying.
05:48 Then why are the MQM people doing their politics? Are the MQM people doing it? I have taken
05:52 your name as a reference. I had told you. No, no, no, I am sorry, I had to ignore it again.
05:56 But I have heard a lot of things about ignorance. Not from MQM and other people. I have to tell
06:01 myself. Why are they doing it? You know the rest of the people. Other than MQM. Why are
06:06 they saying that if they want to use it politically. It was a very sad thing that they were elected
06:11 by the local government. I have told them many times that you have to fight the elections.
06:16 Okay, we worked hard. We would have won even then. We would have won more seats if the
06:21 MQM people had fought the elections. You would have formed a coalition here. I mean, it was
06:26 a no brainer. But they did not understand. And after that. You are increasing the 53 UCs
06:31 now. Just a quick thing came out. Before the next election, which you have agreed with
06:36 them. The 53 UCs will increase. Now, if the census is done. At least 53 will increase.
06:43 Let me rephrase it. Because you have given a commitment. I am telling you again that
06:48 when the census will be done. Then everything reopens. Okay, but yes. Everything reopens.
06:53 It can be more than 30. It cannot be less. So Mr. CM, the Prime Minister's statement
06:58 came as a surprise to you. Now he has said in a television interview that yes, it will
07:02 be done. It came as a surprise to you. I am saying that it was a surprise. Because
07:06 it was a surprise because a few days ago, Mr. Aishan Iqbal said that the census will
07:10 not be done. That is why it was a surprise.