TPMP : Éric Naulleau compare l’abaya à “une croix gammée”, les internautes en colère
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00:00 My daughter decides to have a dress code
00:02 and I often heard that the Republic, the Republic, the Republic,
00:05 the language of the French Republic is French.
00:07 So I don't understand the use of the term "abaya".
00:11 To have origins from countries on the other side of the Mediterranean,
00:14 the word "abaya" means tunic, dress.
00:16 You wear a "kamis" here.
00:18 "Kamis" means a shirt.
00:20 The word "kamis" comes from "shirt".
00:22 - But that's not what I heard.
00:24 - Often people don't know.
00:25 The shirt comes from the word "kamis".
00:27 And a "kamis", a shirt, can be short, long.
00:31 What we call here an "abaya" is a semantic that is put forward
00:35 by certain people who would imperatively want to give a religious meaning.
00:39 But who decides what is religious by the French Republic?
00:42 The state, earlier, Mr. Nolo reminded that the state was secular.
00:48 The state does not indicate and has no right to interfere in the organization
00:52 or the definition of what is cultural or not.
00:55 It is there to guarantee education to our children, to all children in France.
00:59 So I am shocked that we can, while others have reminded us,
01:02 we have disabled patients who cannot even go to the teachers.
01:05 Last year, I was in a neighborhood where on the second day of the school year,
01:09 all the teachers were on strike because they had four toilets for 800 students.
01:12 We have more serious problems.
01:14 And then, one thing must be said that is clear,
01:16 I am my daughter, I will defend her.
01:17 I don't want my daughter to come crying tomorrow,
01:19 she said it, she dresses as she wants.
01:21 Me, by the way, when she decides to put on her outfit,
01:23 as a father, I have nothing to say to her.
01:25 She puts on her jogging suit, she puts on her jeans, she does what she wants.
01:29 But on the other hand, that men here,
01:31 can here or other people impose a clothing outfit
01:36 by explaining what is religious or not,
01:38 the state has not done it yet.
01:40 And all the more so that it is interesting for me, I say it here,
01:42 so everyone knows me, my daughter, if one day she arrives in a dress,
01:45 because I don't have the word "Abaya",
01:47 why do we only talk about the word "Abaya", we say "Abaya, Abaya, Abaya",
01:49 it is to say that it is Arab, it is foreign, so it is Muslim.
01:52 That's what it means. No, no, no.
01:54 We must say that it is a dress, can we come with a dress or not?
01:57 You and me, we wear a beard.
01:59 A beard, it can be fashionable, it can be a style,
02:01 it can also have a religious meaning.
02:03 So if there are young high school students who arrive at the high school,
02:06 what are we going to do to them?
02:07 How are we going to determine whether it is religious or not?
02:09 - It is the Islamists who determine for you.
02:11 - No, no, no, sir, I'm talking about the school, I'm talking about the school.
02:13 Mr. Nolo, Mr. Nolo, I'm talking about the school.
02:15 You have, it's the teachers.
02:17 - The Islamists are explicit to you.
02:19 - Let me finish. - They encourage young girls to wear the Abaya,
02:21 it's also the police.
02:23 - I'm done, I'm done. - They encourage young girls to wear the Abaya.
02:25 - I have to say, until the end,
02:27 because you treat some of them like idiots,
02:29 but there are also paternalists who should also
02:31 sometimes call the order because it is important.
02:33 - They are called laymen. It seems to bother you.
02:35 - No, no, not at all.
02:37 - The secularism is part of the French identity.
02:39 I am attached to the identity.
02:41 - But like us, the ... - No, no, I'm listening to your special reasoning.
02:43 - No, no, it's your special reasoning, sir.
02:45 - Listen, if I get here,
02:47 I'm wearing a T-shirt with the word "Gamay" written on it.
02:49 - It's your conception. - And that I explain that it has nothing to do with Nazism.
02:51 - It's your conception of secularism, sir.
02:53 Secularism is indifference.
02:55 That is, the State is indifferent to everyone, okay?
02:57 It's your conception. And besides,
02:59 in this country, it's not you, nor me,
03:01 nor the ministers, nor the teachers.
03:03 - Secularism is not a conception, sir. - Wait, sir, I finish.
03:05 - Secularism is not a conception. - No, but it's over.
03:07 - It's over. - Let him finish.
03:09 - Let him finish. - You know that in the end,
03:11 it's you who will decide.
03:13 - You see, you got to my time, we understood.
03:15 So you anticipated.
03:17 - Let me finish, sir, really,
03:19 what is religious.
03:21 - It's not religious.
03:23 - It's a dress. - It's forbidden, it's not religious.
03:25 - It's a dress against good. - No, no.
03:27 - But at the same time, we're talking about Islamophobia.
03:29 - It's you who said that.
03:31 - Let me finish. - I don't understand anything in discourse.
03:33 - The reply is that above all, it's politeness, it's exchange.
03:35 - Let me finish. - So let me finish.
03:37 Otherwise we won't get anywhere. There is no dialogue.
03:39 - Go ahead, Imida. - So what I wanted to say is that
03:41 already, my daughter who is here, I'm going to protect her.
03:43 I'm her father, like all fathers, we love our daughters.
03:45 Nobody, nobody, nobody, if not
03:47 the law that sets
03:49 the rules. And today it's not a law.
03:51 It's a note. And a note, we'll say, it's all the same.
03:53 - A circular. - It's a note, sir.
03:55 - It's a circular. - So, precisely,
03:57 if, would she have the right
03:59 tomorrow to go to school in Abaya?
04:01 Or is it... - Yes, but it's
04:03 the whole question. - Would she have the right tomorrow to go?
04:05 - There is a circle. - But there are things in the circle.
04:07 - No, but there are things in the circle. - No, but then...
04:09 - In the end, it would be the court that would say
04:11 if she ever... - Exactly. - That's it.
04:13 - My daughter, tomorrow... I'm just explaining. - Tomorrow, tomorrow,
04:15 in Abaya. - I'm just telling you. Tomorrow,
04:17 if she goes to Abaya, if my daughter is repressed,
04:19 it's not a religious garment. Besides, my daughter
04:21 wears the veil. When she arrives at the Republic School,
04:23 she removes it, she remains with the law. - It's not optimal, okay.
04:25 - My daughter... - No, but listen to what I'm saying, please.
04:27 My daughter, she decides to wear the veil
04:29 when she arrives at the Republic School. I don't want her to go to
04:31 professional schools. I want her to go to the Republic School.
04:33 There, we train citizens. - Very good. - So that tomorrow
04:35 my daughter can serve her country, which she has seen.
04:37 - Very good. - Okay? - It's great. - I don't want... - Why do you support
04:39 Islamists? - We don't support Islamists. - But what is Islamism, sir?
04:41 - I'm telling you. - What is Islamism, sir?
04:43 - I'm telling you. - Islamism, you explain for a long time.
04:45 - I don't know what it is...
04:47 I don't know Islamism, you talk.
04:49 I'm talking about my daughter. - I've never heard of it. - My daughter,
04:51 who is 16 years old, I want her to finish her high school and succeed in her
04:53 field of study. - No, no, no. - The outfit has nothing to do with
04:55 radical Islam. - But... - The fact that
04:57 Muslim brothers are very clearly supported by this outfit...
04:59 - But I don't know... - Yes, they are, the brothers.
05:01 - No, but I don't know... - In fact, I don't understand. You're talking
05:03 about the French people... - I'm asking you a question. - Wait, you're talking to his
05:05 parents, I'm answering you. - No, but I'm asking you a question. - Not at all.
05:07 - Because the whole debate is not religious, it's religious. - Sir, I'm explaining.
05:09 I'm explaining something to you. - We'll see what the State Council says
05:11 in the meantime. - Let me finish, please.
05:13 In all cases, if my daughter
05:15 and her mother are subject
05:17 to a ban to enter
05:19 the Republic's court, it's very simple.
05:21 First, we go to the police station, we file a complaint
05:23 for breach of equality in the face of public
05:25 service and for discrimination. - You have the right.
05:27 - We bring it back to the penal field,
05:29 okay? And we'll see what the justice will say.
05:31 Then, there are courts at the administrative level
05:33 that will be seized and they will say
05:35 if it's a religious garment or not. And not you, nor me.
05:37 - And beyond that, you think it's not religious?
05:39 - Yes. - But, sir, I'm... - It's not a religious garment.
05:41 - Not at all. - It's not a religious garment. - I'll tell you something
05:43 that will shock you. - What? - In the Muslim religion,
05:45 there is no garment
05:47 called "religious". Okay? Listen to what I'm telling you.
05:49 There is no rule... In the Muslim religion,
05:51 there are dogmas, there are ways of praying, but there is no...
05:53 There is no clothing that is said
05:55 "religious". - Ah, in Islam, but in Islamism, yes.
05:57 - I'll tell you why. - It's not Islam that imposes
05:59 the Arabian way, but it's Islamism.
06:01 - I don't care about Islamism. - What you're saying is wrong.
06:03 - I am Muslim, okay? I am Muslim, okay?
06:05 My daughter too. And what I'm going to tell you...
06:07 Sorry, sir, you're asking me a lot of questions.
06:09 So, listen to what I'm going to tell you.
06:11 Because I'm here to defend my daughter,
06:13 who, for us, for me and for my wife,
06:15 will certainly be the object
06:17 of an attitude...
06:19 of a decision that is discriminatory for us.
06:21 How are we going to decide
06:23 whether it's a "beetle" or not, okay?
06:25 Because a "beetle" is a dress.
06:27 Why didn't they say in that note
06:29 that dresses are forbidden?
06:31 Because we know by now that we can't forbid it.
06:33 There is the police... - And the F2000.
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