Tech platform for sari-sari stores lands on Forbes Asia's 100 to watch list | The Final Word

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Many of us turn to our neighborhood sari-sari store for some of our basic needs.

One of the Filipino companies on Forbes Asia's 100 to watch list is a tech startup helping sari-sari stores go digital.

We learn more about Packworks with Co-Founder & CEO Bing Tan.

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00:00 Many of us turn to our neighborhood Sari Sari store for some of our basic needs.
00:06 One of the Filipino companies on Forbes Asia's 100 to Watch list is a tech startup helping Sari Sari stores go digital.
00:15 We learn more about PAPWorx with co-founder and CEO Bing Tan. Hi Bing.
00:21 Hello.
00:22 Welcome to The Final Word and thank you for joining us.
00:24 No, no, no. Thank you for inviting me.
00:25 Our pleasure. First off, congratulations on being included on the Forbes list.
00:30 Thank you very much.
00:31 So, tell us how your platform works.
00:34 Okay. So, the way I would explain it is that PAPWorx is a business to business platform that connects consumer brands,
00:42 financial institutions, and Sari Sari stores into one location.
00:46 Okay.
00:47 So, the way I would usually explain it is that these are three people talking three different languages
00:53 and we're the bridge that connects all of them, right?
00:56 And so, typically, our Sari Sari stores need business technology and financial technology.
01:03 Okay.
01:04 And that's really what we're bridging here.
01:06 It's not a very straightforward platform, but the end goal is really to provide value to the stores that we work with.
01:13 Well, you serve over 270,000 Sari Sari stores, so that's impressive.
01:19 Thank you.
01:20 So, what companies do you connect Sari Sari stores with?
01:25 Well, typically, a Sari Sari store's problems are always product selection and capital to money, right?
01:33 And so, as far as the companies that we connect them to, they are the brand suppliers and their distributors that we connect them to, right?
01:42 So, we work with all of the fast-moving consumer goods companies in the country.
01:48 We introduce the stores that we work with to their distributors and we allow for them to access the cheapest access to pricing, right?
01:57 So, that's fantastic for our inflation right now.
02:00 Number two, it's always how do you provide business capital to the Sari Sari stores, right?
02:06 And typically, they've always been the unbanked or underserved.
02:10 So, in which case, by using the data that we gather, we provide these to the financial institutions so they actually get formal credit.
02:18 That formal credit provides them much cheaper access to capital.
02:22 So, that's really the intent.
02:24 It sounds complicated, but it's actually very simple.
02:28 Give them access to cheap goods and access to cheap capital.
02:31 That's what every business needs.
02:33 So, that's the Sari IQ, right?
02:35 Sari IQ is a function of all of the data that we gather.
02:39 Okay.
02:40 And so, I believe that we have a very unbiased set of information.
02:44 We actually see all of the goods that pass through the platform.
02:48 So, we understand which categories and which products actually sell well in the Sari Sari store market.
02:54 And how is that helpful for the Sari Sari stores as well as your other partners?
02:58 Okay.
02:59 So, as far as the Sari Sari stores is concerned, they actually get to understand better what products sell better, right?
03:06 And where their profit margins are coming from.
03:09 Now, from a data aspect, I think we have or we are the only company in the country that actually has information for all products in a Sari Sari store.
03:19 Typically, when other companies do it, they only have data to the products of goods that they sell.
03:26 Okay.
03:27 But because we don't sell goods, we're just the bridge.
03:30 We actually have a more holistic approach to data.
03:33 Okay.
03:34 Well, how did you guys get your start?
03:36 I heard a story about humble beginnings in delivering solar panels via motorcycle.
03:43 That is motorcycle.
03:45 That's correct.
03:46 That's a talent.
03:47 Maybe not a talent, but maybe it's a vice.
03:50 So, with my co-founders, I have two other co-founders, Iba Bernardo and Hubert Yap.
03:56 We've been motorcycle buddies for the past 15, 20 years.
04:00 And so, one of the things that my co-founder did, Iba, was we would ride across the entire country and we were delivering solar panels to the Sari Sari stores.
04:10 And that becomes part of your life.
04:13 I mean, we all grew up with a Sari Sari store.
04:15 We know what it feels like when you're there.
04:18 And when you get into these motorcycle trips, you get to talk to the owners and you figure out and you understand what their real problems are.
04:26 And it started from these conversations that happened probably about 10 years ago.
04:30 And we just kept at it.
04:32 So, fast forward to today, the three of us really just put our heads together and decided what is it exactly that we can provide these stores.
04:43 So, this was in 2018 that you started the company.
04:46 Yes.
04:47 And then the pandemic hit.
04:49 Yes.
04:50 What did that do for your business?
04:52 Did it create more opportunities or how did it impact?
04:57 Well, for a lot of technology companies, I think COVID was also God sent because there's really a digital transformation that's happening in the country.
05:07 What made it a little bit easier for the Philippines was that we have a very young population.
05:13 It's very easy or easier for a lot of our countrymen to just convert to being digital.
05:19 That's number one.
05:20 But number two, the stories are really heartwarming.
05:23 We had one minimum wage store clerk that lost her job during the pandemic, decided to focus on her small sarisari store at home.
05:36 We just so happened to have met her and we provided that technology for her.
05:41 During the pandemic, she was able to survive her whole family.
05:45 So, it opened up new opportunities.
05:47 For her, definitely.
05:48 Yes.
05:49 And she was able to double or triple her sales.
05:51 But now that inflation is so high, how is it affecting our sarisari store owners?
05:57 Well, looking at our data, the stores, we definitely see the impact of the inflation.
06:06 So, as far as the transactions are concerned, we're seeing the same price or amounts, but they're definitely consuming less.
06:13 Right?
06:14 And so that's why, I mean, if you are a sarisari store owner and you're an entrepreneur, the word there is "diskarte".
06:22 And for that to happen, you have to give them as much information as they can so they can decide what goods to restock in.
06:30 Right?
06:31 So, it becomes its own self-serving opportunity and process.
06:35 So, I guess that's one of the reasons why sarisari stores should go digital.
06:40 Correct.
06:41 Absolutely.
06:42 Oh, and there's one more thing.
06:43 There's one anecdote for our industry.
06:45 Did you know that about 50% of the smallest sarisari stores are what we call "AMPM stores"?
06:51 They have to restock goods because they don't have enough money.
06:54 Ah, I see.
06:55 So, they'll close the shop, buy goods in the morning, close in the afternoon, and restock.
07:00 Right?
07:01 And so, the way we do it is by providing and giving them cheaper access to goods, they actually get to save a trip during the day.
07:09 Which means that by giving them a little bit of business credit, let them purchase that entire thing, save more money, right?
07:16 And stay in the store more so you can sell more.
07:19 Right?
07:20 And so, that's how we've created that model and we're quite proud of it, honestly.
07:24 So, what's next?
07:25 Very quickly, what is next for Pacworks?
07:27 Well, we're definitely on track.
07:30 We're currently in about 270,000 stores right now.
07:33 We are on track to hit about 500,000 stores in the next 24 months.
07:38 And we are excited because there's a few companies there inviting us to other countries.
07:43 And so, being a tech company in the Philippines, I'd be very proud if we can really get out of the country and be exported.
07:50 I mean, that's a win for the Filipino.
07:52 Well, looking forward to great things from you guys.
07:54 Thank you for joining us, Pacworks co-founder and CEO, Bing Tan.

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