France and Germany on Tuesday will present their joint pitch on how the EU could adapt to new members during a meeting of European affairs ministers in Brussels.
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00:31 If we really want to stick to perfect unity of the EU,
00:35 mean only one circle of members that are all
00:38 involved at the same level, it's quite likely
00:41 that nothing will happen, because then everyone
00:43 is a veto player.
00:44 So we try to think things in another way,
00:47 thinking a bit of differentiation.
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00:55 Everyone knows that if Ukraine joins the EU,
01:07 basically most member states will become suddenly
01:10 net contributors and will not get any more money,
01:12 and everything will move toward the east.
01:14 So if we want to fix that situation, we need more budget.
01:18 And it's the same if we want an ambitious defense policy,
01:21 industrial policy, policy regarding the digital,
01:25 or else we need more money.
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01:30 I'm pretty optimistic, because if I
01:43 look at the history of European integration since the 1940s,
01:47 let's say, from a strictly rational standpoint,
01:51 you could say each time it's impossible that something
01:53 will happen.
01:54 But it has always been possible.
01:56 And in the last 30 years, we had four major tricky revision.
02:00 We had several enlargements.
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