Reaction to Chad's Bengals Ring of Honor Induction, Eagles-Buccaneers - Nightcap w_ Unc & Ocho
Reaction to Chad's Bengals Ring of Honor Induction, Eagles-Buccaneers - Nightcap w_ Unc & Ocho
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00:00 and official sports betting partner of the NFL
00:02 with Cole Shannon, the crown is yours.
00:05 Hello, welcome to another episode of Nightcap.
00:08 I'm your favorite unk, Shannon Sharp.
00:10 He's your favorite number 85, the newest member
00:13 into the Cincinnati Bengals ring of honor,
00:16 Chad "Ocho" Cinco Johnson.
00:19 - Yes.
00:20 - You got the sunglasses on, so I know it wasn't real.
00:23 I know you cried me a river, old Justin Timberlake,
00:25 old bald head Justin Timberlake.
00:27 - Trust me, I didn't cry, but I'm feeling good.
00:29 Listen, I'm happy.
00:31 - Let me see your eye, let me see your eye right quick.
00:34 Oh yeah, you cried, you cried, you cried in the car.
00:36 I bet you cried in the car.
00:38 You cried in the car.
00:39 - I walked to the stadium.
00:41 I walked to the stadium and I walked back here
00:43 'cause I wanted to be amongst the people.
00:45 I wanted to be amongst the people.
00:46 Yeah, I wanted to be amongst the people.
00:47 And I wanted to feel the love that I have missed
00:51 over a decade and some change.
00:53 And that's exactly what it was.
00:54 I had my kids walk with me.
00:55 I had the missus walk with me.
00:57 T.O. came out to support me, man.
00:59 - I saw it, yeah, yeah.
01:00 - It really, man, listen, that felt good, man.
01:02 That felt good to have my family with me.
01:04 And then my extended family,
01:06 my extended family of 80,000 out there screaming that name,
01:10 hearing that Ocho,
01:11 just the same way you explained it yesterday.
01:13 - You go into the ring of honor
01:15 with a former colleague of mine, Boomer Esiason.
01:19 So tell me, what was that moment like?
01:21 You walking down as the half is about to end,
01:26 you and your family and your family and friends,
01:29 you start to walk down
01:30 and now all of a sudden you're on the field
01:32 and you start to get a little que like,
01:35 "Oh man, this thing about to happen."
01:37 - Yeah, yeah.
01:38 You know what?
01:40 I kept thinking about happy thoughts.
01:43 And what I tried not to do,
01:44 I tried not to go back to everything it took
01:47 to get to this point.
01:48 'Cause if I thought about everything it took
01:51 to get to this point, as far as making it to
01:54 and getting that phone call from Mike Brown
01:56 and then all the ups and downs throughout my career,
01:59 then the tears would have started flowing.
02:01 I thought happy thoughts.
02:03 I kept looking at my kids.
02:04 I kept looking at the crowd,
02:05 the focus and keep myself locked in so I don't cry.
02:09 But that moment I took it all in, I enjoyed it.
02:11 You only get one of them.
02:13 You only get one of them.
02:14 You only get one of them.
02:15 And man, I'm gonna savor that moment, man, forever.
02:18 - I'm surprised also knowing how close you were
02:22 to your mom and grandmother
02:24 and how special it would have been had they been there.
02:27 Your mind just for a second didn't go there and say,
02:30 "Damn, I wish grandma, I wish mama."
02:33 - I purposely stayed away from that.
02:35 I'm just telling you.
02:36 I was able to compartmentalize mama,
02:41 everything else that was bad,
02:42 the journey to get to this point.
02:44 Happy thoughts, staring in the crowd,
02:47 make eye contact, one person in the crowd and stay on that.
02:51 You know, I didn't wanna do it.
02:52 I didn't wanna break down in that moment
02:54 even though it would have been tears of joy,
02:57 it would have been tears of sadness
02:58 because I'm thinking about my mama not here.
03:00 I'm thinking about my grandma not here.
03:01 Now what's gonna happen behind closed doors
03:03 when I get back to Miami tomorrow,
03:04 guess where I'm going with my ring on a jacket?
03:06 I'm going to the graveyard.
03:08 They buried right next to each other.
03:10 So I'm gonna have that moment with them.
03:11 - Let them see their baby.
03:14 - Hold up, hold up.
03:15 Boy, you almost caught me.
03:16 Hold on, hold on, hold on.
03:18 - You gonna let them see their baby and say,
03:19 "Hey mama, granted, I did it."
03:21 - Yeah, let me get back.
03:22 Let me get back right.
03:23 'Cause you almost got me.
03:24 You almost got me.
03:25 Let me stop talking about that.
03:26 But yeah, I'm gonna have that moment with them tomorrow.
03:29 I'm gonna have that moment with them tomorrow, man.
03:31 And they deserve it.
03:32 So since they couldn't be here,
03:34 I'm gonna go ahead and bring it to them.
03:36 - You going to them.
03:37 - Yeah.
03:38 - The Bengals, okay, you guys win 19-16,
03:40 a very hard-fought ball game.
03:42 Joe Burrow dealing with that calf injury.
03:44 31 pass attempts in the first half,
03:46 49 attempts for the game.
03:48 - Yeah.
03:49 - What if, are your Bengals back?
03:52 - My Bengals are back.
03:54 They're not back and not efficient
03:56 as what we're used to seeing.
03:57 But this is the start.
03:59 This is the start.
04:00 I told you something about the Bengals.
04:01 We always start 0-2, all the time.
04:03 All the time.
04:04 I think statistically, Chase is not where he wants to be.
04:09 Joe knows he's not where he wants to be
04:10 because of two slow starts.
04:13 Obviously, we're used to putting up big numbers,
04:14 even though they were losses most of the time
04:17 at the beginning of the seasons.
04:18 But this is the start.
04:19 This is a confidence builder for us offensively.
04:21 This is a confidence builder for us defensively.
04:24 And I think it's a foundation or something
04:26 that we can start off and keep on making a run,
04:29 you know, through the rest of the season,
04:31 especially with us having two losses already in AFC North.
04:34 - Cincinnati has not gone three straight games,
04:36 three games in a row without scoring a first half touchdown.
04:40 Is that concerning for you?
04:41 - It's not concerning.
04:43 It's all about us offensively starting fast.
04:46 And I'm sure Zach and the offensive coordinator,
04:50 they will get in that field room
04:52 and find out what works best for them.
04:55 Again, I think when you change your tendencies,
04:57 when you change your tendencies
04:59 and what teams know you're going to do,
05:02 because they've had so much success offensively,
05:04 I think teams are ready.
05:06 They're ready for everything they've seen.
05:07 They're ready for the new wrinkles that you do throw at them.
05:10 So change your tendencies a little bit.
05:11 If you're known for running on first down,
05:14 let's throw them first.
05:17 If you're known for running on first down,
05:19 just little stuff like that,
05:20 just change it up so you're not so predictable.
05:23 - How much is Joe Burrow mobility
05:26 impacting what this offense can do?
05:28 Because we know Joe is a guy that can rely on his legs.
05:32 He can get outside and make plays,
05:34 not only throwing the ball, but also running the ball.
05:36 How much of his mobility has hampered this offense?
05:42 - I think it's hampered it a little bit.
05:44 It's hampered a little bit,
05:45 but I'll take a 70% Joe Burrow
05:48 over other NFL teams' quarterbacks,
05:51 quarterback at 100%.
05:53 I'm just saying, because Joe is poised.
05:55 He's a pocket passer first, and he runs when he has to.
06:00 - Correct.
06:01 - Not just to be doing so.
06:02 So the fact that he is hampered,
06:04 he's still great at being a pocket passer.
06:06 And with minimal movement,
06:08 he can still be very efficient from the pocket.
06:11 - I thought your defense played really well last, tonight.
06:14 When you look at it, the Rams got into the red zone a bunch,
06:18 but you made them settle for field goals.
06:20 Field goal gets you beat,
06:21 touchdowns win you games, wins you championships.
06:24 So I was really impressed with Hendricks
06:26 and those guys were able to get off the field,
06:28 even though the Rams consistently found themselves
06:30 in your red zone.
06:32 - They did.
06:33 This is what you call the definition of a bend,
06:35 but don't break defense.
06:37 We gonna let you in, you gonna find a wrinkle,
06:38 you gonna get a wrinkle here.
06:39 We'll let you get in here.
06:41 But once you get to this certain part,
06:43 an area in our territory, in the field, in the red zone,
06:47 uh-uh, that's it.
06:48 And it's just a testament to the difficulty
06:50 and how difficult it is for teams.
06:52 Once you get in a team's red zone,
06:53 on how hard it is to score.
06:55 It's very difficult to score,
06:56 but you only have so much space to work with,
06:58 and there's only so much you can do and call.
07:00 - Right, and so if a guy makes a mistake,
07:02 because there's limited space, he can make up for it.
07:05 - Oh yeah.
07:07 - The other game of the night, the Eagles in the books,
07:10 25-11, if I'm not mistaken,
07:12 that might have been the first time in NFL history
07:14 that a game has ended 25-11.
07:16 The Eagles, 472 yards,
07:20 Hale-Temple, 174 yards,
07:22 won by 14 on the road,
07:24 kept the ball for almost 10 minutes to end the ball game.
07:29 - Jesus.
07:30 - I don't know how much of that,
07:31 I know you saw a little bit of this ball game,
07:32 but what was kind of your takeaway,
07:35 the Eagles 25-11 over the Bucs?
07:39 - Listen, it was hard for me to watch the game
07:42 in its totality, to be able to really give an assessment,
07:46 a fair assessment on how the game went,
07:48 but I was hoping, I was hoping,
07:50 I'm just gonna be honest,
07:51 I was hoping that Baker could pull a game like this off,
07:54 because I haven't heard the praise for Baker
07:57 for what he's been able to do with the Bucs and his star.
07:59 - Like what has he done?
08:01 - What was their record, Shannon?
08:04 What were the Bucs' record?
08:06 - When, last year?
08:07 With Tom Brady when they made the playoff,
08:08 they won the division?
08:09 - No, I'm talking about--
08:10 - They were 2-0.
08:12 - Okay, they was 2-0.
08:13 That's a good start, you know why?
08:15 That was because of Baker Mayfield
08:16 and what he's been doing offensively as a quarterback.
08:19 I'm just telling you.
08:20 But again, the Eagles came away with this game,
08:23 it was a good game,
08:24 but I just think the Bucs were outmatched offensively,
08:27 they were outmatched defensively,
08:28 and obviously the Eagles are polished,
08:30 they're very polished,
08:31 they're a playoff team,
08:32 they are a contender this year,
08:34 and they did exactly what they needed to do
08:37 to come out and win a game
08:38 against a team that they should beat.
08:40 - Yeah, I thought the Eagles,
08:42 I mean, when you look at it,
08:43 they did win by two scores,
08:44 they won by 14,
08:45 but I still think the Eagles got another gear
08:47 that they can play with.
08:48 Hurts, even though they won by 14,
08:52 if you watch this game,
08:53 Hurts had some costly turnovers
08:55 that really hurt his team.
08:57 And I mean, he was trying to get the ball to AJ,
09:00 and AJ had a good game,
09:03 dropped a touchdown he probably wish he had back,
09:06 but I'm still not,
09:09 I know Jalen Hurts has another level,
09:11 and that's because I saw it last year,
09:14 that he can get to that he's not quite there yet.
09:17 - He's not quite there yet,
09:18 but this is what I love about the beginning of the season.
09:21 You gotta get the rust out,
09:23 you gotta get the cobwebs out,
09:24 the fact that players don't play in the preseason,
09:27 and I think this is a testament
09:28 to how important the preseason is
09:30 to get your energy down,
09:32 to get your timing down,
09:33 to get that timing down,
09:35 especially the refs.
09:36 I think people,
09:37 the casual,
09:38 I don't wanna be rude,
09:39 the casual fan that watches the game,
09:42 that watches the game,
09:44 what you see on Sundays is very much different
09:47 than what we do in practice.
09:48 You can run and practice 365 days a year.
09:52 When you get into that game,
09:53 nothing is the same,
09:54 it's completely different.
09:55 It's a completely different feeling,
09:57 and I don't even know how to explain it,
09:59 it's just completely different,
10:00 which is why I think preseason is so important.
10:03 But he's gonna get there.
10:04 The more games they play,
10:06 Hersch is gonna get into that rhythm
10:08 and that magic you talk about
10:09 that he showed last year.
10:11 - There's something that happens in a game
10:13 that doesn't happen in practice,
10:15 it's called adrenaline.
10:17 It's called that fight or flight,
10:19 that fear of failure.
10:21 In the game,
10:22 and you don't know these guys,
10:23 and it's like,
10:25 but I've always felt that practice,
10:27 for me, was harder than the game,
10:28 because I'm going up against a guy
10:30 that I've been going up against in practice
10:31 for three, four years.
10:33 He know all my moves.
10:34 He know the release,
10:35 he knows,
10:36 oh yeah, okay Sharp,
10:37 I see you at the top of the numbers,
10:38 I already know what you about to do.
10:40 Okay, hey,
10:41 you better open that split up,
10:42 I know you about to run this bang on me.
10:44 So, when I get to the game,
10:46 yeah, he's watching tape,
10:48 but he doesn't know the nuances
10:50 of a guy that sees me every day in practice.
10:52 So I really felt that if I could beat the guys in practice
10:56 that I had gone up against every day,
10:57 two, three, four years,
10:59 the game was gonna be relatively easy for me.
11:01 But like we talked about earlier,
11:03 in a couple of episodes, Ocho,
11:05 preseason was so important for me
11:09 to get my breathing down,
11:11 to get my timing down,
11:12 get my rhythm down.
11:14 I needed to get my spidey sense and tingling,
11:17 for a game.
11:18 - Yeah.
11:20 Yeah, I needed that.
11:21 Now, I told you,
11:22 I told you before,
11:23 obviously, I pissed Marvin off a few times,
11:27 having to call timeouts
11:28 to get me out of the preseason game
11:30 before I hurt myself.
11:33 And I told Marv,
11:33 I say, Marv,
11:34 you understand how important this is for me
11:36 to get my timing down,
11:37 to get that rhythm and chemistry.
11:39 You know, with Carson,
11:40 and he just,
11:41 he wasn't going for it,
11:42 but I really needed it.
11:43 I think,
11:44 I still think to this day,
11:46 Marvin Lewis didn't understand the importance
11:48 and how much preseason meant to me.
11:50 'Cause a lot of players,
11:50 the veterans didn't wanna do it.
11:52 They didn't wanna do it.
11:53 They felt they didn't need it.
11:54 - I needed it.
11:55 I needed it.
11:56 - I am.
11:57 - Because for me,
11:58 it was all about breathing.
11:59 It's all about steps.
12:00 It's about, you know,
12:01 finding your way,
12:01 like, uh, uh, in depth.
12:03 Am I gonna rip?
12:04 Am I gonna,
12:05 how am I gonna get high?
12:06 Just working on little small stuff.
12:07 Jalen Hurts has now rushed for 29,
12:09 has 29 career touchdowns,
12:12 passing Cam Newton for the most rushed TDs
12:14 by a quarterback in his first 50 career games.
12:17 What did you see from Jalen Hurts?
12:20 'Cause the guy that came in mainly,
12:21 and we understood and we respected his legs,
12:24 but although he is still a tremendous runner,
12:27 he's become a very, very good thrower of the football.
12:31 - You know what?
12:32 That makes it very difficult for defensive coordinators,
12:35 because what you gonna do with him?
12:37 You can spy him.
12:38 'Cause if you put a spy on him,
12:39 you know what that means?
12:40 That means somebody else is gonna be open.
12:42 - Yeah, I mean,
12:43 somebody else got one-on-one coverage.
12:44 - Somebody else got one-on-one coverage.
12:45 And the fact that he has the weaponry he has
12:49 at his disposal,
12:51 they're gonna always be a mismatch.
12:54 So you're gonna have to pick your poison defensively.
12:56 You wanna spy him,
12:57 or you just wanna drop everybody back
13:00 and he can beat you with his legs.
13:02 It's on you.
13:03 So pick your poison.
13:04 You wanna die fast,
13:05 or you wanna die slow.
13:07 Either way, you're gonna die.
13:09 - You know what I like most about Jalen Hurts,
13:12 but it just goes to show you
13:14 that no matter where you start at,
13:17 if you work at something,
13:19 you can get incrementally better.
13:21 Because if you look at the maturation
13:23 that Jalen Hurts has gone through
13:25 from the time that he got in,
13:26 you can see he's a much better thrower of the football.
13:30 So that's what I say when guys talk about,
13:32 you watch a guy and you're like,
13:34 "Man, he hadn't gotten any better since his rookie year,
13:36 "from his second year to his third year."
13:38 As a matter of fact,
13:39 that tells me.
13:41 Now there's a difference between habit and hard work.
13:43 'Cause a lot of times people think
13:45 because they do something over and over,
13:46 they're working hard.
13:47 That's habit.
13:48 Jalen Hurts has worked hard
13:50 and he's made himself a very good thrower of the football.
13:53 I'm not saying he's ever gonna be Aaron Rodgers,
13:55 but he's a better thrower of the football.
13:57 He's a more dangerous quarterback,
13:59 a more complete quarterback
14:00 than what he was when he entered the league.
14:02 - I have a question in the fact that you said that.
14:04 I think all quarterbacks work hard.
14:07 I think all quarterbacks work hard
14:09 because in order to get to this level
14:11 and in order to reach the pinnacle of success
14:13 and being one of the one percenters in the world
14:16 to make it to the NFL and play a particular position,
14:19 we are the commander and the leader of a team,
14:21 you have to work hard at it.
14:23 But I think what Jalen has is,
14:26 he has a great supporting cast at his disposal.
14:31 And in fact, he is great himself and working to be great.
14:35 So it's magnified that much more better
14:38 on the work that he's put in.
14:40 I think for other quarterbacks,
14:41 where they fail at is they put in the work
14:44 and they're doing everything they can to be better,
14:47 but they don't have the tools around them
14:49 to allow that work present itself when the lights are on,
14:54 if that makes sense.
14:55 - Let me ask you a question.
14:57 - Yes, sir.
14:58 - If I gave you a 200-piece toolbox.
15:00 - Yes, sir.
15:01 - And say fix that car, what you gonna do?
15:04 - A 200-piece toolbox?
15:06 - 200-piece toolbox and say fix this car.
15:09 What you gonna do?
15:10 - I'm gonna fix it.
15:11 - Sometimes you just don't know what the hell you're doing.
15:14 It doesn't matter the tools that you're working with,
15:16 don't you?
15:17 At some point in time,
15:18 you will have to come to that conclusion.
15:19 I know you keep saying give all this and all that.
15:22 Hey, Jameis Winston had those same tools
15:27 that Tom Brady had that he took to the Super Bowl
15:30 after they missed the playoffs
15:31 and Jameis threw 32 touchdowns.
15:33 - And he had--
15:34 - I mean, 32 interceptions, excuse me.
15:37 - Okay, that was--
15:37 - 30, I think he had 33 touchdowns, 30 interceptions.
15:41 - 33 touchdowns, 30 interceptions.
15:43 - Right, right.
15:43 You right, you right, you right.
15:48 But I don't like the comparison
15:50 because we talk about the greatest quarterback of all time.
15:53 And the great, and Jameis Winston is a good quarterback.
15:58 - Yes, but I'm saying,
15:59 but you've seen situations where guys come in
16:03 and for whatever reason, guys will rally around,
16:06 guys will play, will make plays.
16:09 - They're like, why you didn't make that play for him?
16:12 - Right, right, right.
16:13 - You can't, some things you just can't offer
16:15 an explanation for.
16:16 - Right, I think individuals,
16:20 I think the difference in quarterbacks to me,
16:22 it's up here, it's up here.
16:27 Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes,
16:29 their ability to process. - They believe.
16:31 - Not only do they believe, they have the skillset,
16:34 they have the arm strength, but here,
16:36 they beating everybody up here.
16:38 They know what you're doing before you even do it.
16:40 - Yes, yes. - They know what you're doing,
16:41 they're seeing it before it even happens.
16:43 And the game to them is so slow.
16:46 - Yes. - And you know exactly
16:48 what I'm talking about, when you was in a zone.
16:49 - Absolutely. - Whatever year it may be,
16:51 when you hitting your stride,
16:53 and the game is moving so slow. - It's in slow motion.
16:55 - Yes, in slow motion, that's when you know you locked in.
16:59 And it's something, man, listen, Shannon,
17:03 when you own, you know the year you had when you was owned.
17:07 - Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, you wouldn't break for me.
17:10 - And everything is going in slow motion,
17:12 and it's like, and you're seeing it before it even happened.
17:15 And I think that's what Peyton Manning had,
17:17 Tom Brady had, and they had it consistently,
17:19 year in and year out. - Yeah, yeah.
17:21 You know what, but it takes a,
17:24 when we talk about these upper tier,
17:25 upper level quarterbacks, we talking about the 0-0,
17:29 15-0s, point one. - Right, right, right.
17:32 - Those only a handful have ever reached that level.
17:36 It takes a special type of lady to be in their lives,
17:39 because when you hear, and you've heard a lot of people say
17:41 it's lonely at the top, it's lonely at the top.
17:43 - Oh, you're in the backseat, baby.
17:44 - You're the wife of a top tier quarterback.
17:47 - Yeah, yeah. - Because it's almost like
17:50 you're the mother and the father,
17:52 because you're doing so much,
17:53 because you're living for the other person.
17:57 Because you take the kid, you're showing the kids
18:00 the practice and the recitals, and he's asking,
18:04 okay, we got levels here.
18:07 What's very, very, very, very important that I can't miss?
18:10 Very, very important.
18:13 And what's okay, hey, I miss that, it's all good.
18:15 So let me know so I can put this in my schedule,
18:19 because not only are they watching two, three hours of film
18:23 at work, they go home and they're going over and over,
18:28 and these guys keep notebooks of every defensive coordinator
18:33 that they face, so if he ever becomes a head coach,
18:36 or if he goes somewhere else, they've got to look on him.
18:39 - Oh yeah, they know what's coming.
18:40 And you know the funny thing about it?
18:42 It don't change. - Nah.
18:44 - Much don't change.
18:45 Whatever someone's formula is, that formula goes with them
18:49 and it travels wherever they go, so it doesn't change.
18:52 - Yeah, if you play Rick Ryan, you're gonna get pressure.
18:55 If you play Rick Ryan, you're gonna get pressure,
18:57 because he's gonna chip off his old, he's like his dad.
19:00 But they coming.
19:02 - Yeah, every time, every time.
19:04 - You know what, there's a lot being made.
19:08 Jalen Hurd scored his 10th rush touchdown on the push sneak
19:13 over the last two seasons, so it's like that rugby scrum.
19:17 What are your thoughts on that?
19:19 Should they outlaw it, should they ban it?
19:21 What's going on, Ocho?
19:22 - I think, you know, if they're doing something
19:26 that you don't like and you can't stop it,
19:28 don't let him get down in the red zone.
19:31 Don't let him get down in the red zone.
19:33 - Don't let him get third and fourth and short.
19:35 - Wait, there's no way to stop it then.
19:36 Everybody else needs to take a page out their book
19:39 and do the same thing.
19:40 - Well, everybody got a quarterback
19:41 that can squat 600 pounds.
19:43 - That boy squat 600?
19:46 - Yes.
19:47 - Golly.
19:48 - That's what I see.
19:50 - That's crazy, you know, I can only do 750, but you know.
19:53 (laughing)
19:55 I didn't know he was like that, why?
19:57 I thought it was just me and Nick Chubb
19:58 could squat like that, but hey, that's good, yeah.
20:01 - Listen, there's no way to stop that.
20:03 There's no way to stop that.
20:04 'Cause the offensive linemen, they just going low
20:08 and there's nothing the defensive linemen can do.
20:09 - And then they got pushing him in the back.
20:10 - Then you got somebody pushing you in the back.
20:13 - Yeah.
20:13 - There's no way to stop that.
20:15 Is it fair?
20:15 No, it's not.
20:16 Is there a way to stop it?
20:18 No, there isn't.
20:18 But I mean, if you make a rule change, then what's next?
20:22 - Right.
20:23 - You make a rule change, then what?
20:24 - Well, I mean, you know what?
20:26 Because they've handicapped the defense so much,
20:28 so if they take that out of the offense.
20:30 - Exactly.
20:30 - I mean, to make it fair, because now, you know,
20:33 incidental contact, the defenseless receiver,
20:37 you know, helmet to helmet.
20:39 You got so many rules against the defense.
20:41 I'm surprised we don't see more 50 and 60 point game score
20:45 considering how they've taken the ability
20:48 to punish the quarterback or punish the receiver
20:51 out of the ball game.
20:52 - Listen, it's become a past happy league
20:55 and I think they've made it like that purposely
20:58 just so there's more excitement for the fans.
21:00 - Yeah.
21:01 - Put up more and more points.
21:02 And that is what we're getting.
21:05 To an extent, to an extent.
21:06 Because I don't think we're gonna see a 70, a 70 gamer,
21:10 a 70 bomb like we saw, you know,
21:12 between the Dolphins and the Broncos.
21:15 But again, the NFL wants high scoring game
21:18 because high scoring game creates more eyes
21:20 and more attention.
21:21 - Yes.
21:22 - And at the end of the day,
21:23 we know what the bottom line is, more money.
21:25 - Yeah, I mean, look, all that purest,
21:27 oh, I like old school football, I like 10-7.
21:30 No, I don't.
21:31 If I go to a baseball game, which isn't often,
21:33 I'm not trying to see a one nothing.
21:35 I'm not trying to see a two, one ball game.
21:37 I wanna see nine, eight, seven, six, seven,
21:39 going over the fence.
21:40 If it's a basketball, I don't wanna see,
21:43 like when I grew up, I mean, in the '90s,
21:46 the score was like 83-76.
21:48 Now they get 80 points at the half.
21:50 I wanna see 138 and 142.
21:52 That's what I wanna see.
21:53 - And you say basketball,
21:55 ain't nobody out there playing no defense, huh?
21:57 - No, they ain't playing no defense.
21:58 - They ain't playing no defense.
21:58 But you know, back in the day, you know,
22:00 when the Pistons, the Bad Boy Pistons,
22:02 and the Miami Heat, and the Knicks,
22:04 when they were playing football, basketball,
22:07 the scores were low.
22:09 - Elbows.
22:10 - Yeah.
22:11 - You had to think twice before going through that lane
22:13 for layups.
22:14 - And I don't remember the--
22:15 - It's still a ball game, man.
22:16 - Playgroup fives when, who was that?
22:19 That was, who snatched, Kevin McHale snatched
22:22 Kirk Rambis out the air with the leg--
22:23 - Kirk came out there, and they started fighting.
22:26 - Hey, nobody got tossed.
22:29 They was like, okay, hey, you shoot the two free throws,
22:31 and let's go again.
22:32 The Bad Boy Pistons, when they was snatching Jordan
22:34 out there, they was like, they didn't throw nobody out.
22:37 - Yeah, yeah, time to change, time to change.
22:41 And I'm not gonna say--
22:42 - They was thirsty enough of this boy, guys.
22:43 - I'm not gonna say people, they haven't gotten soft.
22:46 I'm just saying, time to change so everything has evolved
22:49 where the rules had no choice but to change with the times.
22:52 - Yeah, the Jets, you're someone, Robert Saleh,
22:56 back of Zach Wilson, he says he's our unquestioned quarterback.
22:59 - As he should.
23:00 - You don't throw people away, man.
23:02 He's not the reason why we lost.
23:04 He's not the reason y'all won either.
23:07 - Listen, he's not the reason we lost either.
23:09 So I told you what I needed to do.
23:10 I need to go and break down film, right?
23:12 I said I need to go see the film copy so I can get a better
23:15 understanding what was happening.
23:17 Zach Wilson was rattled.
23:20 The score was close the entire game up until the fourth
23:23 quarter.
23:25 The score was close.
23:26 - Close on the matter of slow dancing.
23:28 - I know it does.
23:29 - You were today's great dance.
23:31 - Listen, you know it was a great defensive game, right?
23:33 It was a great defensive game from both sides of the ball.
23:36 It was very difficult for each team to score, for each team
23:39 to move the ball because if they were moving the ball as
23:42 efficiently as they should have been, it would have been
23:44 field goals galore from both sides, but it wasn't.
23:47 It wasn't.
23:47 And the key time that Zach could have made plays or wanted to,
23:52 should have made the right decision on certain plays,
23:55 he was flush and couldn't make the throw based on what I could
23:59 see from film.
24:00 I'm just telling you that.
24:02 - This man-- hold on, hold on.
24:03 This man--
24:04 - No, let's say--
24:06 yeah, you're right, you're right.
24:07 Listen, let's say they ran 65 plays, right?
24:09 - OK.
24:10 - I'm just throwing this out there.
24:11 Let's say they ran 65 plays offensively, average.
24:15 You know, out of 65 plays, you know one or two of those plays
24:20 out of 65 make the difference in that game?
24:22 - Of course.
24:23 - You know that?
24:24 It's crazy.
24:25 It's a crazy--
24:26 I don't even know the stat.
24:27 I just know if you run 65 unplayed,
24:29 it's one or two plays that make the difference in that game.
24:32 But there was a play, they ran it.
24:35 It was cover two on one side.
24:36 It was cover two on one side.
24:38 - Quarter, and quarter, quarter, and quarter,
24:40 and quarter, and quarter, and quarter, and six.
24:42 - Listen, safety, but it was on the far hash.
24:46 There was a whole shot he could have hit.
24:48 There was a whole shot he could have hit.
24:49 - Right.
24:50 - But I think he checked it down instead.
24:52 I think he was just a little nervous
24:53 and wanted to get the ball out of his hands.
24:55 That would have been a nice whole shot he could have hit.
24:57 But from getting hit early on, getting flushed out,
25:01 he just a little flustered and just wanted
25:03 to go for the safe throw.
25:04 - OK.
25:05 - Just small stuff like that.
25:06 Just small stuff like that is the difference
25:08 in a football game.
25:09 - Think about the receivers.
25:11 If they were shy away like that, so we
25:13 got hit in the first, or the second quarter, third quarter,
25:16 come fourth quarter, we wouldn't go across the middle
25:19 and catch the ball.
25:20 Ain't nobody going to say, oh, well, you
25:21 know he was a little flustered.
25:22 He took a couple of shots early.
25:24 You notice how people like yourself and others
25:27 make excuses for quarterbacks they don't
25:29 make for any other position.
25:30 - I'm not making no excuse.
25:32 I'm not making--
25:33 - Can I ask you a question?
25:34 - You can ask me.
25:35 - Have you ever played the position of quarterback
25:37 at any level?
25:38 - Yes, I did.
25:39 - At any level?
25:40 At what level was that?
25:41 At what level was that?
25:42 Did you have on pads and a helmet?
25:45 - Yes.
25:46 - Was your O-line good?
25:48 - That was a--
25:49 - Was your O-line good?
25:50 - They were OK, Ocho.
25:51 - Do you know what it's like to lose your confidence
25:54 as a quarterback?
25:55 - No, I don't.
25:56 - Can you handle getting hit?
25:57 - I ain't never lost no confidence.
25:58 I'm that dude.
25:59 I'm him.
26:00 I'm Shannon Mofo Sharp.
26:02 Mary Porter raised three the hard way.
26:04 I ain't never lost no confidence.
26:06 I ain't shook and could never be stirred.
26:09 I don't know who you think you're talking to.
26:10 You must have forgot.
26:12 - OK.
26:13 - You forget-- oh, hold on, Ocho.
26:15 I had my name up in the stadium almost two decades
26:18 before you got yours up there.
26:19 Did you forget who on the other end of this camera?
26:21 - Yeah, I know.
26:22 I know who I'm talking to.
26:23 - Oh, OK.
26:23 - I know I'm talking-- but what I can't do--
26:25 listen, ain't nobody had more confidence than me.
26:28 But I can empathize with those that
26:30 are going through struggles, that are having problems, that
26:33 are playing a specific position in a specific place
26:37 that makes it hell for others--
26:38 - Who cares?
26:39 - --that haven't been able to be successful at that position
26:41 as well.
26:42 - Let me ask you a question.
26:43 - We continue to blame it on the same--
26:45 we continue to blame it on the quarterback every time.
26:48 We continue to blame it on the quarterback every time.
26:50 Every time.
26:51 Every time.
26:53 Mark Sanchez, Sam Darnold, Zach Wilson, Joe Flacco--
27:01 when things aren't going well, it's always
27:03 the goddamn quarterback's fault.
27:04 Well, maybe it ain't the motherfucking quarterback.
27:08 Maybe it's not them.
27:11 Maybe it's not them.
27:12 Let me ask you a question.
27:13 When Tom Brady got all the--
27:14 let me ask you--
27:15 I just want to ask you this.
27:16 You asked me this.
27:17 How many times they mentioned-- on those game-winning drives
27:19 that Tom Brady had, how many times
27:21 they mentioned the receiver that caught the ball?
27:23 How many times they mentioned offensive lines?
27:25 How many times they mentioned the coach?
27:27 Or did they mention Tom Brady?
27:29 Did it again?
27:30 It's the Brady effect.
27:31 I'm just asking.
27:32 I'm just-- I mean, just talk to me like--
27:35 - I know.
27:36 - No, I'm just asking.
27:37 Humor me.
27:39 - Tom Brady, he drives the needle.
27:41 He makes the needle move.
27:43 - OK, with Peyton Manning, he had all those come from behind.
27:46 - Hey, he got a lot of them fourth quarter comebacks, too.
27:50 I watched and I remember.
27:51 - They ain't mentioning nobody else.
27:53 That's why you make--
27:55 why you think Patrick Mahomes got $212 million guaranteed
27:59 over the next four years?
28:01 - Yeah.
28:03 You understand the quarterbacks that you're naming?
28:06 You're naming--
28:07 - No, but I'm--
28:07 - Those that are cemented with legacies
28:09 are the best to play the position.
28:11 - But I'm saying those guys--
28:13 - It's different, man.
28:13 - Hold on.
28:14 Let me ask you a question.
28:14 - It's hard finding people.
28:16 It's hard finding those, man.
28:17 They different.
28:17 - Let me ask you a question.
28:19 What year did you start playing football?
28:20 - In--
28:23 - How old were you?
28:24 How old were you?
28:25 - In '77.
28:26 - OK, '77.
28:27 So first of all, you weren't born then.
28:29 But anyway, so you started playing football.
28:31 So now let me ask you this.
28:32 - '87.
28:32 '87, my bad.
28:33 - OK, thank you.
28:34 That sounds better to me.
28:35 OK, they said, OK, offensive lineman, right here.
28:39 Defensive lineman, right here.
28:41 Running backs, right here.
28:42 Wide receivers, over there.
28:44 DBs, over there.
28:45 Quarterbacks, what line did they go get in?
28:47 If you went and got your ass in the quarterback line,
28:50 don't give me no excuses now.
28:51 You chose to play that position.
28:54 - Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right,
28:56 right.
28:57 And you know what you got to do?
28:58 You know what you got--
28:59 I never played quarterback at the highest level.
29:01 I played quarterback in high school, and I was OK.
29:04 I was OK.
29:04 I was good.
29:05 I was good.
29:05 - No, you wasn't OK.
29:06 I can tell you ain't have no arm.
29:09 - Who ain't have no arm?
29:11 Man, I threw for 7,200 yards one season.
29:15 I threw for 7,200 yards, man.
29:17 - I threw like this here.
29:18 [LAUGHTER]
29:23 - Hey.
29:24 - Man, don't-- don't say that to me, man.
29:25 Don't do that.
29:26 Don't do that.
29:27 Hey, I was like that at quarterback, man.
29:29 I'm just telling you.
29:30 I was like that at quarterback.
29:31 I was him.
29:32 Do your homework, man.
29:33 - Listen, you got to take number shotguns now.
29:34 - Do your homework, man.
29:35 Do your homework.
29:36 I wanted a shotgun.
29:37 I was under the center.
29:38 I was under the center.
29:39 - Oh, I was too short.
29:40 - I wanted number two.
29:40 Miami beat Senior High.
29:42 High tag.
29:43 Real deal.
29:44 Talk to me.
29:45 Holyfield.
29:47 - Joe Namath-- everybody know Joe Willie Namath.
29:51 He guaranteed a victory.
29:52 Did that.
29:54 He says, I wouldn't keep him.
29:56 I've seen enough of Zach Wilson.
29:58 Says, this is the lowest point as a fan of a team--
30:01 of the team.
30:02 He says he's the lowest--
30:03 he said he lowered it way up hoop.
30:05 And that's at the bottom of the sea.
30:07 That's how low Joe Namath's AD is.
30:09 - See, I don't like that.
30:11 - I mean, why not?
30:13 What you don't like about it?
30:14 - I don't like that.
30:15 Why?
30:15 Why as a player?
30:17 I'm sure Joe's had some bad years, too.
30:19 At some time, at some point when Joe was playing,
30:22 he's had some bad years.
30:23 He's had some bad games.
30:26 Multiple of them, I'm sure he has.
30:29 Let me tell you something.
30:30 A lot of people tell me on Twitter, Chad, at some point,
30:34 you're going to have to set into reality
30:36 and critique these players when shit is not going well.
30:39 Man, fuck that shit.
30:41 Excuse me for a minute, Shannon.
30:43 I didn't mean to curse.
30:44 I didn't mean to curse on your show.
30:45 I know what it's like to have a bad game.
30:47 - It's your show, too.
30:48 - I know what it's like to drop a ball.
30:50 I know that feeling.
30:51 I know that feeling, to not be playing at home
30:54 and drop an important third down that
30:56 could have kept a goddamn drive going
30:58 and having the stands of opposing fans fucking booing
31:01 you.
31:02 I've been in the New York stadium.
31:04 I've been in New York before.
31:06 I know what it's like to play in a New York stadium
31:09 and be amongst the people in that city.
31:12 They don't play that shit.
31:13 They are cutthroat.
31:14 Much like the Eagles fans, you have to come out there
31:17 and you have to perform.
31:18 In order to do that, you have to be very, very confident
31:22 in what you do and in yourself and in your skills.
31:25 It takes a specific type of player
31:28 to play in that environment in New York.
31:32 And to me, I think what they have done to my fucking homie
31:35 Zach Wilson, they have drained him
31:38 of the last bit of confidence he has.
31:41 And that is the goddamn problem.
31:43 The media-- oh, the New York media don't care nothing
31:45 about you.
31:46 They don't care nothing about you.
31:47 You got to be built different to play there, man.
31:50 You just got to.
31:50 Now you got a legend in Joe Namath coming.
31:54 If anything, you're supposed to be one of the first ones
31:57 to come behind him and say, listen, Zach, I believe in you.
32:00 I know things ain't going the way you want to,
32:02 but here we go.
32:04 Here we go.
32:05 He must have forgot what it's like to be in a position
32:07 like Zach is, because now you're on your high horse as a legend.
32:12 Oh, Joe.
32:13 Come on, man.
32:13 Oh, Joe.
32:16 I can't bring myself--
32:17 I can't bring myself to do no bullshit like that.
32:20 So clearly right now, your team, Zach Wilson,
32:22 you think the media, you think former players are being--
32:26 you think analysts, pundits are being too harsh,
32:29 too critical of Zach Wilson?
32:32 Listen, year three, as a quarterback,
32:36 is you'll make it or break it year.
32:38 I understand that.
32:39 It is the grading scale.
32:41 It is the gauge in how they scale,
32:47 whether you have arrived or if you haven't.
32:51 Basically, it hasn't gone the way Zach Wilson wants.
32:54 It hasn't gone the way everyone else thinks it should have gone
32:57 to this point, based on the sample size that we have seen.
33:01 Right.
33:02 Me, being one that is a continued supporter,
33:06 it ain't just Zach Wilson.
33:08 I support every goddamn body.
33:09 When Baker Mayfield wasn't playing well,
33:12 I was supporting him.
33:13 Any other quarterback, when James Winston wasn't playing
33:15 well, I was supporting him.
33:16 When Tua wasn't playing well and everybody's talking trash,
33:19 I've always been on the bandwagon,
33:21 on the positive side of things, trying to find something good.
33:24 I think when you offer a critique to someone,
33:27 if you offer a critique to someone,
33:28 I think what you're doing, you're misconstruing.
33:32 I can still support you and say, "Ocho,
33:34 you was wrong in that situation."
33:36 You see, if you do something wrong,
33:38 if I don't tell you you've done wrong,
33:41 how much am I actually supporting you?
33:43 By not telling you that you're wrong.
33:46 Well, actually, you're not telling him he wrong,
33:50 because if you want to tell him, you would have to actually go
33:52 to that individual and tell them that they're wrong.
33:54 But when you do it in this space and on this type of platform,
33:58 I'm not just saying here or on TV, for that matter.
34:04 They don't take it that way.
34:06 They don't take it that way.
34:07 That's not my problem.
34:11 They're not able to separate the two.
34:13 They take that personal.
34:15 How is that my fault?
34:17 Because I've got-- hold on.
34:18 OK, Zach Wilson has a job to do.
34:21 Shannon Sharp has a job to do.
34:23 Zach Wilson is not doing his job.
34:25 Shannon Sharp is saying Zach Wilson isn't doing his job.
34:29 And in saying Zach isn't doing his job,
34:31 Shannon is doing his job.
34:33 So how am I wrong?
34:35 There's a way to say he's not getting the job done.
34:39 And your delivery--
34:40 OK, say it.
34:41 Say it.
34:41 Say it.
34:42 Your delivery can be very difficult.
34:43 It can be very hard.
34:45 Do you want the mail, yes or no?
34:47 You want your mail by noon, or do you
34:49 want me to bring your mail at 8 o'clock at night?
34:52 Yeah, but when you bring the mail,
34:54 your shit will be Amazon Prime.
34:56 Yeah, that's right.
34:57 Yeah, yeah.
34:57 Amazon Prime.
34:59 And it just be a little--
35:00 And I'll pay for shipping and handling,
35:01 because I'm going to make sure you get it.
35:04 Yeah.
35:05 I have-- I apologize.
35:08 And I apologize to people that are watching the show.
35:10 I have to find a way to navigate around that
35:12 and to be able to critique players
35:14 and do it in a positive way where it's received
35:16 the right way.
35:19 And that's just something I have to find--
35:21 to navigate, because there are too many positives.
35:23 And we just hone in on what's negative.
35:25 And it's always I or this individual.
35:28 I. It's a team game.
35:30 It's a team game.
35:31 And they're not playing well as a whole.
35:35 It was a team game.
35:36 As opposed to just singling one motherfucker out.
35:38 Let me ask you a question.
35:39 When you was doing those celebrations,
35:41 how many teammates you had with you?
35:42 When you was doing the salsa?
35:44 Or when you was playing golf?
35:45 Listen, talk to me.
35:46 Let me tell you something.
35:47 In order for me to even celebrate,
35:49 it started from the O-line.
35:50 Then it started at the quarterback.
35:51 Then it started with the running back.
35:53 No, no, no.
35:54 You--
35:55 [INTERPOSING VOICES]
35:57 We're not talking about everybody doing their job.
35:59 I'm asking you, how many teammates did you
36:02 include in your celebrations?
36:05 I wasn't allowed because it was against the rules.
36:07 So I couldn't--
36:08 What you mean you weren't allowed?
36:10 You can't include-- there were no group celebrations back
36:12 then when I was playing.
36:13 You know that.
36:14 Go ahead and take it.
36:15 Go ahead and take one for the team.
36:16 Y'all teammates, right?
36:17 We together.
36:17 We in this together.
36:18 We a team, right?
36:20 I'm-- no, listen.
36:21 Yeah, we a team.
36:22 But I'm the only one that was willing to lose
36:24 money behind having fun.
36:25 They wasn't losing no money behind that.
36:27 Ocho.
36:28 Listen to me.
36:31 We've become a very sensitive society in that--
36:35 Oh, yeah.
36:35 --especially.
36:36 Yeah, it's been that way.
36:38 Because what happens-- and I'm just
36:40 talking about when I-- especially African-American,
36:42 when I critique Black players.
36:45 The first thing they try to use, well,
36:46 you trying to tear a brother down.
36:48 See?
36:49 You see?
36:50 They can't separate the two.
36:52 And guess what?
36:54 I'm still in front of the--
36:55 I'm still in front of the camera.
36:56 I'm still in front of the mic.
36:58 I'm not-- see, I'm not attacking you personally.
37:01 I don't know what you do in your home.
37:02 I'm not talking about what you did.
37:04 I'm talking about your play on the field.
37:08 I think-- I would like to think because I played
37:11 the game at a high enough level, and I think because I watched
37:14 Tim--
37:14 watched film, I'm able to critique you fairly.
37:18 If you play well, I'm going to say that.
37:20 If you play bad, I'm going to say that.
37:23 Why won't you ever say--
37:24 why don't-- let me ask you a question.
37:27 Why players don't ever say, man, I
37:30 wish Unc would start praising me.
37:32 Man, I had this 150-yard, two-touchdown game,
37:34 and Unc, man, that's--
37:35 I don't want that kind of praise.
37:37 I don't want that kind of--
37:38 I don't want that kind of adoration.
37:41 It's only when they play bad, and I point that out,
37:44 am I trying to tear the brother down.
37:46 You didn't say nothing when I built you up.
37:49 Listen, who is a harsher critique
37:52 than the individual themselves?
37:55 If you play the game of football and you have a bad game,
37:58 who is your worst critic?
38:00 Yourself.
38:01 So I don't-- I mean, as a player,
38:03 I don't need to be piggybacking.
38:06 You're already feeling bad already,
38:07 but now you got to listen to these motherfuckers
38:09 talking shit about you, too.
38:10 Let me ask you a question.
38:11 So I understand how they feel.
38:12 They take it personally.
38:13 It does.
38:14 I know I had a bad game.
38:16 I know.
38:17 The greater-- the greater the player that offers--
38:20 the greater the player that offers the critique of you--
38:23 Right.
38:24 --the more it stings.
38:27 You see, if Denzel says, I like your movie,
38:30 and you're an actress, or you're an actor,
38:32 that means something.
38:33 That's Denzel.
38:34 Yeah.
38:35 If Magic Johnson or Michael Jordan says, I like him,
38:39 that means something.
38:41 Yes, sir.
38:42 Shannon Sharp has a gold jacket.
38:44 Shannon Sharp says he didn't play well.
38:47 Right.
38:48 Man, damn.
38:50 Right.
38:51 So how do you sell--
38:52 how do you sell that to the fans?
38:54 Because I give credit where credit's due.
38:56 If a guy plays well, I'm going to say it.
38:58 If a guy plays bad, I'm going to say it.
39:00 If I'm wrong, if I said, you know what, I'll come out
39:03 and say, you know what, I was wrong about him.
39:05 I missed him.
39:07 I missed-- I missed the ball.
39:08 I didn't see this coming.
39:10 Right, right, right.
39:10 And that's OK.
39:11 Nobody-- if nobody is perfect, nobody
39:13 is going to get-- every player that they said
39:15 was going to be good turns out to be great.
39:17 Every player that they say turns out was going to be bad,
39:20 that's not the case.
39:22 But we've got to stop this notion that somebody
39:25 is hating on you because they said you didn't play well.
39:29 You're saying we need to stop this notion,
39:31 but it hasn't stopped.
39:32 And it never will stop because players feel a certain way
39:36 about--
39:36 And guess what else they stop?
39:37 --opponents.
39:38 And guess what?
39:39 And they got-- and more and more shows like you and I
39:41 are popping up.
39:42 So guess what else is going to stop?
39:44 People offer critiques of said players.
39:47 Right, right.
39:48 And you-- but you have to understand, Archo--
39:50 --about it, most of the shows continue to--
39:52 all the shows can pop up as much as they want.
39:56 But very few have the accolades and the resume
40:00 to be doing the talking.
40:01 Right.
40:02 But you remember--
40:03 And I'm one of the few that have the resume and the accolades
40:05 to do the talking, but I know what it feel like.
40:08 I know what it feel like to have a bad game.
40:11 Yeah.
40:11 To me, it's hard to do it.
40:13 But you know what I'm going to try to do?
40:14 How about I do this?
40:15 How about before I start, when somebody has a bad game,
40:17 how about I just make a disclaimer?
40:19 No.
40:20 How about I make a disclaimer about this individual?
40:23 Listen, I see you and hold you to a different standard
40:26 because you that boy.
40:27 You him.
40:28 Yes!
40:29 And you know how I feel about you.
40:30 You know I love you because I've been talking about you
40:33 great for 10-plus years.
40:34 But see, they forget all about that.
40:36 They forget all about that.
40:37 They forget all about that.
40:39 They forget every great thing that I've said.
40:41 Right.
40:41 And just remember the words.
40:43 But how about I just do that?
40:44 So then what I do?
40:46 I'll do that.
40:46 Have a disclaimer on all the positives I said.
40:49 So this one little negative, this
40:51 is what you could do better based on what I saw
40:54 because I hold you to a different standard.
40:56 And this is what I expect from you.
40:57 Can I do that?
40:59 Can I do that?
41:01 Ocho, everybody knows how I feel about LeBron.
41:06 You heard me go on TV and say LeBron didn't play well.
41:09 I need LeBron to play better.
41:11 LeBron is going to respect that because he
41:13 knows that I don't got no actual ground with nobody.
41:17 LeBron is built different.
41:19 He's different.
41:20 LeBron can handle that.
41:21 He's been dealing with that since high school.
41:23 He's been dealing with the naysayers, the positive,
41:25 the negative.
41:26 He's able to navigate through that and understand
41:29 it's not personal.
41:30 Let me ask you a question.
41:31 What professional athlete--
41:33 LeBron is built differently here.
41:35 What professional athlete has gotten 1,000% support all
41:41 the way through?
41:42 Everybody's been doubting.
41:45 Everybody's been saying he ain't going to make it.
41:47 He can't.
41:47 He can't.
41:48 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
41:51 Yeah, there's levels of that now.
41:54 Don't go there.
41:55 It's levels.
41:57 LeBron's level and pressure of doubt from high school's
42:02 being chosen and being the next great one
42:04 and actually living up to it, man, that is incomparable.
42:08 I think he's succeeded.
42:10 But here's the thing.
42:12 But here's the thing.
42:14 There have been a lot of-- there have been a--
42:16 not to the level of LeBron, but there
42:18 have been a lot of guys that were supposed to be that guy
42:21 and didn't do it.
42:23 It's hard to live up to that.
42:24 It's very difficult to live up to that.
42:26 You know how hard--
42:28 for one, longevity.
42:29 Longevity.
42:30 Yeah, 21 seasons, yeah.
42:32 Discipline, consistency.
42:36 Yes.
42:37 And staying focused and locked in.
42:39 You know how difficult it is to have
42:41 that combination for a long, extended period of time
42:45 and sustain that?
42:47 And a lot of people--
42:48 That's very difficult to do.
42:49 And a lot of people, it drives.
42:51 See, I'm old enough to remember, before Jordan
42:54 started winning championships, what they said about him,
42:57 that he couldn't win, that he was a selfish player,
43:00 and he was taking ill-advised shots.
43:02 And it was all about him.
43:03 See, everybody-- and once he started winning,
43:05 everybody forgot the seven, eight years
43:08 that they said all those things about him.
43:11 But he cataloged it, kept it in the back of his mind,
43:15 and used that as fuel.
43:17 Same thing with Kobe, Tiger Woods, all these--
43:21 I don't care what level you played at, there have been--
43:24 Built different.
43:25 --doubts.
43:27 They built different.
43:28 I'm saying those guys, but everybody
43:31 has had doubt, has been doubted at some point in time
43:34 in their life.
43:35 So we can talk about the world's richest man,
43:37 or we could talk about somebody that's working an hourly job.
43:41 They've been doubted.
43:43 Right.
43:44 Now, what are you going to do?
43:46 Are you going to, oh, man, they doubted me.
43:48 Let me go ahead and prove them right.
43:50 I ain't going to mount an issue.
43:51 No.
43:52 See, I've never tried to prove anybody wrong.
43:55 I've just tried to prove me right.
43:57 And in the process of doing that, you'll be wrong.
43:59 But you got it.
44:03 But Ocho, like you said, you got the credentials.
44:07 You played at a high level.
44:09 It wasn't like you was some bum that you was just
44:11 collecting a check.
44:12 You was just a body.
44:13 No, I was that boy.
44:14 Now, don't do that.
44:15 OK.
44:16 Don't do that.
44:16 I can't tell.
44:17 Because I told you-- listen, I told you
44:19 what I was going to do on Wednesday throughout the media.
44:23 I sent the DBEs, and I sent them a GIF,
44:25 and went out there and did it.
44:27 OK.
44:27 For a decade straight.
44:28 I had some fun.
44:29 But again--
44:31 You tried to tear a brother down.
44:33 See what you did?
44:34 You tried to bring them down doing that.
44:36 But I also know what it's like to have a bad game.
44:38 I know what that feels like.
44:40 And I feel bad.
44:41 I feel very bad, because I was my harshest critic.
44:43 Ocho, you make it seem like Zach Wilson just had one bad game.
44:47 He's had three bad years.
44:51 We ain't talking about no one game.
44:53 OK, he had three bad years.
44:55 I remember I had a relationship.
44:58 I had a relationship.
44:59 I was in for three years, and she left me.
45:02 She left me.
45:03 Well, hold on.
45:04 She left me.
45:04 Let me ask you a question.
45:05 And listen, I did all I can.
45:07 I went to practice.
45:08 I did film study.
45:10 You know, Zach Wilson doing all that.
45:11 He's studying.
45:12 He's working hard, doing everything he can.
45:14 Why'd she leave you?
45:15 Why'd she leave you?
45:16 Why'd she leave you?
45:17 Why'd she leave you?
45:18 Oh, some other dude.
45:20 Some-- I don't know.
45:23 I don't see.
45:24 I don't even know.
45:24 She didn't want-- hold on.
45:25 So you mean to tell me somebody didn't want Ocho?
45:28 Oh, no.
45:28 I want Ocho.
45:29 Yeah.
45:29 This was when I was--
45:30 Oh, that was Chad Johnson.
45:32 She didn't want Chad Johnson.
45:33 Yeah, I was young.
45:34 I hadn't even made it yet.
45:35 I hadn't even made it yet.
45:37 Yeah.
45:38 So where'd she--
45:39 She left me for some street dude.
45:42 Some street dude.
45:43 He was out there hustling.
45:44 Have you bumped into her?
45:45 Have you ever bumped into her since?
45:47 Yeah, I bumped into her about two years ago.
45:49 And what'd she say?
45:50 Hey, Chad, how you doing?
45:53 I couldn't even hear him.
45:55 Wow, wow.
45:56 Come on, Chad.
45:56 Don't do that.
45:57 Don't do that, Ocho.
45:58 Whoa, whoa, whoa.
45:59 Listen to me.
45:59 Listen to me.
46:00 I couldn't-- you left me because you
46:01 were with somebody that had more money at the time
46:04 when I hadn't made it.
46:05 You didn't want-- you didn't--
46:07 I was on my journey, on my way.
46:09 And I just didn't have what you were looking for at that time.
46:11 But you left me for something temporary.
46:14 Now he's doing 24 years in the pen.
46:16 He's doing 24 years now.
46:17 I'm going to go out of the way.
46:19 Listen to me.
46:20 I can't even hear you based on what I got on my hip now.
46:24 I can't even see you.
46:26 No.
46:26 You're supposed to go out of your way to make sure she see you.
46:30 Hey, girl, how you doing?
46:32 Why you-- I ain't seen you in a while.
46:35 How you doing?
46:36 How your mama?
46:37 You know, I'm asking because they need to know.
46:41 Listen, she know.
46:43 I hit it with that Ray Charles.
46:48 I can't even see you.
46:50 No.
46:53 But see, that's the thing.
46:55 You got to let them know.
46:57 See, that's why I used to block people.
46:59 I used to block people on social media, do all that.
47:01 I stopped.
47:02 You block people?
47:03 You need to see me happy.
47:04 No, I don't do no blocking.
47:05 I need you to see me.
47:06 You need to see me getting all this,
47:08 what God intended for me.
47:09 What you tried to block, I didn't
47:12 let you see God still open up the windows,
47:14 pouring out them blessings.
47:15 Yeah.
47:16 Yes, sir.
47:17 Yes, sir.
47:18 Yeah.
47:19 And listen, and for you, if you want them blessings
47:22 to keep coming, and you want that cup
47:25 to keep running over, all you need is a little guidance.
47:29 And you know the kind of guidance you need?
47:30 You know where it come from?
47:32 What kind of guidance I need?
47:33 What kind of guidance?
47:36 A woman's guidance.
47:38 Ah, there you go.
47:39 A woman-- listen to me.
47:40 A woman will be your GPS, get you wherever you need to go,
47:45 from point A to point B. You know what else?
47:48 If you had a woman in your life, you
47:50 know what else you wouldn't be doing?
47:52 Or what?
47:53 You wouldn't be flying private.
47:55 Why wouldn't?
47:56 She going to be flying right with me.
47:58 No, sir.
47:59 She ain't going to let you spend that kind of money.
48:01 She ain't going to let you spend that kind of money.
48:03 No, she ain't.
48:03 Because if she let you spend that kind of money,
48:05 she with you for the wrong reasons.
48:06 No.
48:07 No.
48:08 Ocho, my grandfather used to say, boy,
48:10 be as cheap as you want to, but don't be cheap to yourself.
48:13 Now, how do-- you tell me the sense that it makes.
48:16 I work the hardest and spend the least amount of my money.
48:19 Now, you tell me what sense that makes.
48:20 Got to save that for a rainy day, baby.
48:28 Got to save it for a rainy day.
48:30 Hey.
48:30 Save it for a rainy day.
48:31 After-- come on, bro.
48:33 And many of them are going to come.
48:36 I ain't promise tomorrow.
48:37 When did God promise you tomorrow?
48:40 Oh, I ain't promise tomorrow either.
48:41 OK, then.
48:43 So what am I supposed to-- so you
48:45 want me to say for a rainy day that I'm not promised to see?
48:48 Mm, I like that.
48:51 I like that.
48:52 I don't even have no comeback for today.
48:54 I only have-- because right now, I'm in heaven.
48:57 I'm in heaven.
48:57 I'm cemented.
48:59 Yeah, I'm in heaven right now.
49:00 I'm feeling good.
49:01 I'm just-- I've been smoking my cigar, just--
49:03 No.
49:04 --drinking my yak.
49:05 I'm just--
49:07 Man.
49:09 Oh.
49:10 So you-- so you start-- so in other words,
49:13 you throw your unbridled support.
49:18 I mean, you just all in on the Zach Wilson train.
49:22 Listen, I'm all in on everybody.
49:23 You don't follow me on social media.
49:25 But for those that have followed me throughout the years,
49:28 they know I always find a positive about any
49:31 and everybody, especially when they're playing bad.
49:33 It's just the way I've always been, even when I was playing.
49:35 Bro, this is Pro Sports.
49:36 This is Pro Sports.
49:37 This ain't Little League.
49:37 I know it is.
49:38 You playing for-- hey, you playing--
49:40 look here, you playing for mortgages.
49:42 You playing for college tuition.
49:44 You paying for jobs.
49:46 Yes!
49:47 I know, I know, I know.
49:48 So what job-- what job-- what job going to let you stay on it?
49:52 You not doing the-- you not fulfilling the job that's
49:55 required of you, but they say, you know what?
49:58 We going to stay positive.
49:59 We going to remain positive.
50:01 Where do they do that at?
50:03 Well, why I got to jump on the band when everybody
50:06 don't jump on your head?
50:07 Why I got to do that?
50:08 Ain't no bandwagon.
50:09 Ain't no bandwagon.
50:10 Not a bandwagon, but I'm just saying,
50:12 why do I have to do what everybody else is doing
50:14 and jump on you when you're not playing well?
50:15 Why can't people want to come out with a positive--
50:18 So what you supposed to do?
50:19 Tell me what you supposed to do.
50:20 You supposed to offer critique of what transpired
50:23 during the course of the game based
50:24 on your years of experience and your expertise.
50:27 So you denying your gift.
50:29 God gave you a gift to play the game
50:32 and to get gainful employment.
50:34 Do you know how many guys that played a professional sport
50:37 that would love to be in your shoes, that
50:39 would love to offer critique, that didn't get that luxury?
50:43 So in other words, you denying God's gift.
50:47 God gave you a gift.
50:49 Yeah.
50:49 He gave me a gift.
50:52 God gave me a gift, and I understand
50:54 the purpose of that gift.
50:56 The purpose of that gift was to uplift.
50:57 To uplift.
51:01 To reach out.
51:03 To lend a hand.
51:04 See what you did?
51:05 You see?
51:06 Because you figured that if you offer critique to someone,
51:08 you beating them down.
51:10 That's it right there.
51:12 Not really, because I already told you
51:13 what I'm going to work on is I'm going to have my disclaimer
51:17 already ready that I always say before I give my critique.
51:20 Because here's the thing.
51:21 Because now--
51:22 You can't tell me I can't say--
51:23 Oh, you can't do that.
51:24 You can say whatever.
51:26 But here's the thing.
51:27 The person at home will say Ocho is not being truthful.
51:33 Because--
51:33 I am being truthful.
51:34 All I'm saying is, the disclaimer is, so and so.
51:39 I see you and hold you to a certain standard,
51:42 and this is what I expect.
51:44 But that's not the standard I got in today's--
51:46 You don't have to do all that.
51:47 Why are you doing all that?
51:48 I don't want to.
51:49 Because I can.
51:50 Because I don't want to be taken the wrong way.
51:52 You scared.
51:53 Because I understand--
51:54 You scared.
51:55 Scared of what?
51:57 I'm asking, what you scared of?
51:58 What does scared have to do--
52:00 To speak your truth.
52:01 To speak your truth.
52:03 Them guys done got you scared because you
52:05 going to bump into them, and they're going to say,
52:07 yo, why you criticize me?
52:09 OK.
52:09 Then I just had to beat their--
52:11 I had to beat their ass.
52:12 What you talking about?
52:13 I criticize Aaron Donald.
52:14 If Aaron Donald walk up on me, you know what I'm going to do?
52:17 I'm going to whoop Aaron Donald ass.
52:18 Run.
52:19 [INAUDIBLE]
52:20 Run.
52:21 [INAUDIBLE]
52:22 Scared of who, man?
52:23 I ain't scared of nobody.
52:24 Aaron, I love you, baby.
52:26 I know you're going to--
52:27 No, no, no.
52:28 You ain't going to criticize.
52:30 I mean, look.
52:30 Yeah.
52:31 Look.
52:31 But here's the thing, though.
52:32 Y'all just-- I don't see--
52:34 I'm not comfortable with that.
52:35 You comfortable with that.
52:36 I'm not.
52:37 I'm just not.
52:38 It's just the way I am.
52:39 It's just the way I'm built. It's just the way I--
52:41 I'm just-- I just--
52:43 I can't explain it.
52:44 So in other words--
52:45 I'm going to do it.
52:46 I'm going to navigate it, and I'm just
52:47 going to be mean to somebody and just say, fuck it.
52:50 Fuck it.
52:50 Nah.
52:50 You ain't got to be mean.
52:52 It's not about being mean.
52:54 The people at home see--
52:57 the people at home see guys that are not playing well.
52:59 What makes them upset is that when somebody is not playing
53:02 well, and people try to pretend--
53:04 and announcers try to pretend like they are, or try to say,
53:08 well, that was his fault.
53:10 Whoa.
53:10 No, it wasn't.
53:11 I didn't say anybody was playing well.
53:15 I didn't say anybody was.
53:16 No, I'm saying--
53:17 I just try to navigate and find ways around it
53:20 to find the positives in what they are doing.
53:23 That's all.
53:25 Look, if you play a professional sport,
53:28 nobody cares if you give to the homeless.
53:30 That's not what we're talking about at this moment.
53:34 We can get into your philanthropic work.
53:36 We can get into all that other stuff.
53:38 You can be a benefactor or magnanimous
53:41 as you choose to be.
53:42 But when you play professional sports,
53:45 our job is to critique and analyze said person
53:49 in said sport.
53:51 That's it.
53:52 OK, how about this?
53:53 How about this?
53:54 From now on, I'm going to critique and analyze.
53:57 That's it.
53:57 That's what you're supposed to do.
53:59 I'm going to critique and analyze.
54:00 And I'm going to be on a motherfucker ass now.
54:03 OK, pause.
54:04 Are you OK?
54:06 Yeah, pause.
54:07 Oh, whoa, whoa.
54:08 Hold on, let me hit this pause button right quick.
54:11 Here, here, with that one.
54:14 OK, continue on.
54:17 Yeah.
54:18 I'm ready.
54:18 I'm ready.
54:19 I'm ready.
54:19 I got you.
54:20 I got you.
54:20 Well, Ocho, congratulations.
54:22 I know this night was very, very special for you
54:24 and your family and friends.
54:25 To go into a team's ring of honor,
54:29 it goes to showing us that that doesn't go unbeknownst.
54:33 Because a lot of people said, you know what?
54:37 We think his play on the field and his behavior off the field
54:42 is worthy of him representing the Cincinnati
54:44 Bengals for perpetuity.
54:47 Mm.
54:49 I like that.
54:50 I like that.
54:51 I like that.
54:52 You know what?
54:53 I'm going to get one of them gold ones, too.
54:55 Yeah.
54:57 I'm going to get you.
54:58 I'm going to get one of them gold ones, too.
54:59 And if I don't get one, guess what I'm going to do?
55:02 What, you going to work for Century 21?
55:05 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
55:06 I'm going to go make me a gold one.
55:08 I'm going to make me one.
55:09 I'm going to go make my own.
55:10 I'm going to make my own bust, too.
55:12 I'm going to make my own bust.
55:13 Because I know where they get them done at.
55:16 And it's going to be one on one.
55:18 You hear me?
55:19 It's going to be one on one.
55:22 You know what that's like?
55:24 Yeah, one on one.
55:26 I'm going to make my own Hall of Fame jacket.
55:30 Hey, Ocho.
55:32 Hey, baby.
55:33 She back to sleep, man.
55:35 Who is that?
55:37 You said you wanted a bust.
55:39 You said you wanted a bust.
55:41 You see the part, right?
55:43 You see that part?
55:44 You see that part?
55:47 I like that.
55:48 I like that.
55:49 I'm going to get me one.
55:50 I'm going to get me a bust made.
55:51 And mine going to be 14 karat gold, one on one.
55:55 Oh, you going to spend that kind of money?
55:58 Oh, yeah.
55:58 Yeah.
55:59 Oh, yeah.
55:59 Because they ain't going to spend it on me.
56:02 I got to do for me.
56:03 Ain't that what you told me?
56:04 Ain't that what you just told me?
56:06 I did.
56:06 I did.
56:07 I'm going to make my own bust.
56:08 Yeah, listen.
56:08 I'm going to make my own Hall of Fame jacket.
56:11 Make my own jacket.
56:13 Yeah.
56:13 With some-- yeah.
56:16 I'm going to put some 14 karat gold glitter on my jacket.
56:19 If I-- you know what you know now.
56:24 And I can transport you back to your rookie season.
56:29 Yes, sir.
56:30 What type of numbers do you believe Ocho could put up?
56:34 To my rookie season in today's game?
56:37 You know what you know now.
56:38 Right.
56:39 But I'm going to transport you back to your rookie season
56:42 with the knowledge that you have now.
56:44 Of the game, right.
56:45 Yes.
56:47 I think consistently, probably 1,400 consistently.
56:53 Consistently.
56:54 You say 1,600 consistently?
56:56 1,400 consistently.
56:57 14.
56:58 14.
56:59 Yeah.
56:59 Yeah.
57:00 Yeah.
57:00 I mean, especially during that time and that era,
57:02 dealing with that Ravens defense and dealing
57:04 with that Pittsburgh defense.
57:07 You know, the numbers get a little low
57:09 when you play against them.
57:10 But as far as everyone else, I'm just being honest.
57:13 Them boys ain't play.
57:14 Just being honest.
57:15 But outside of the division, it's-- oh, I'm going crazy.
57:19 But you know, those divisional games are always close.
57:22 And they really minimize my production very, very well.
57:26 Right.
57:28 Yeah.
57:28 Well, especially with what I know now.
57:30 I wish it was reversed.
57:34 Well, congratulations, Ocho, on your night
57:36 for you and your family and loved ones.
57:39 I'm your favorite Unc, Shannon Sharp.
57:40 He's your favorite number 85, Chad "Ocho" Cinco Johnson.
57:44 And thank you for tuning in to Nightcap with Unc and Ocho.
57:48 See you--
57:49 I love y'all.
57:50 --Thursday night.
57:51 Call me if you need me.
57:52 My number's still the same.
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