Can Chairman PTI be punished in Cipher Case? Lawyer Naeem Haider's Reaction

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00:00 Chaudhary sahib, yes Chaudhary sahib.

00:03 Yes, so Mr. Panchotra, how do you feel that you will be punished overnight by filing a case?

00:15 Is there a law of jungle, is there a law of mirror?

00:18 There is no such thing in Pakistan.

00:20 An independent chief like Jajjat is present here.

00:24 You see, if the whole nation has seen the whole process for two days,

00:30 they are not forgiving each other,

00:32 so why do you think there will be injustice in this?

00:36 Or they are hell bent on convicting him.

00:39 And with whom the whole nation is standing,

00:42 you can throw that party in the pit like this.

00:48 I fail to understand your point of view.

00:52 I would like to tell you very clearly,

00:54 in his 70 years of life,

00:57 no corruption charges were filed against him, no case was made against him.

01:01 And after 70 years, when he was removed from the government,

01:06 and a political FIR was filed against him,

01:11 that about 200 cases were filed against him.

01:13 So you saw that on one side, 144 cases are being filed,

01:16 on the other side, a watch has been found,

01:18 and that too was properly processed.

01:21 In Tosha Khana, you saw that within 5 days,

01:26 the way the proceedings were done in the leave,

01:28 and the punishment was given immediately,

01:30 and our predictions go up again and again,

01:32 that it doesn't get applied first,

01:33 and when it gets applied, the decision is reviewed,

01:36 and it is said that it should be heard again,

01:37 and then it is not heard.

01:39 After a month, it is decided,

01:41 their suspension is coming,

01:42 that the second day, the third day,

01:43 the fourth day could have been decided,

01:44 the punishment was to be suspended,

01:45 so why was it delayed?

01:47 Now there are so many requests in Islamabad High Court,

01:50 I can count 12 of them and tell you,

01:52 which I remember,

01:53 and along with that, there is a pending case in the Supreme Court,

01:55 so they are not being heard.

01:57 But Jyota sahib, the 9 cases that were filed,

02:01 that was reconfirmed,

02:03 and today's decision of the open court,

02:05 this is definitely in the favour of PTI,

02:07 and then you feel that the Justice Movement

02:10 is not getting the right to a fair trial?

02:12 Look, the 14 sections of the Official Secret Act,

02:16 there is a big difference in them,

02:18 that the judge will be given the opportunity,

02:20 to see which proceedings,

02:22 which moment,

02:24 on which he will understand,

02:25 that the investigation of the Official Secret Act,

02:27 has to be done,

02:28 some documents have to be taken,

02:29 in which he will exclude the public or whoever.

02:32 So, they decided according to that,

02:34 that this, because it is in front of you,

02:36 the case that was made,

02:37 the courts are not mentioned in it,

02:39 the cipher is about the courts,

02:41 the investigation below,

02:42 in that too we saw,

02:44 that at no place,

02:46 any material was presented,

02:48 which was to be kept secret,

02:50 or was a threat to the safety of our country,

02:52 the transcript,

02:53 they are still talking about it,

02:55 it has been circulated all over the world,

02:56 so what privacy is there on the transcript,

02:58 to be kept in a secret camera?

02:59 Nothing will be shown there.

03:01 Sir, if it was such a public document,

03:03 it was a public document,

03:05 so if it was such a public document,

03:07 so you had to run it on TV,

03:10 at that time Mr. Khan said,

03:12 showed it,

03:13 he said,

03:14 I have the secret of this country,

03:16 that is, in the address in Islamabad,

03:18 Khan said,

03:19 I have the secret,

03:20 and that secret,

03:21 he said,

03:22 he put it in his pocket,

03:23 and he did his waste code,

03:24 then later he said,

03:25 we will not take the name of that country,

03:26 because it is a national interest,

03:28 so it was a national interest,

03:29 which Khan himself was accepting,

03:31 that it is a national interest,

03:32 this is one thing,

03:33 secondly,

03:34 the charges have not been framed yet,

03:36 you are concluding the case first,

03:38 I do not understand this,

03:39 Mr. Naeem.

03:40 My brother,

03:41 how long did it take to frame the charges,

03:43 the charges have been framed,

03:45 there is evidence on it,

03:47 the cross examination time has not been given,

03:49 and the decision has also been announced,

03:51 your questions,

03:52 when did this happen?

03:53 I feel they are one-sided,

03:55 and you feel like a PMLN guy is asking me questions,

03:59 Sir, I am not a PMLN guy,

04:01 I am an ARB guy,

04:02 and I am sitting in front of you,

04:03 but you are listening to critical questions,

04:05 your ears are hurting,

04:06 you do not want to listen to the straight thing,

04:08 you want me to give you such sweet questions,

04:11 so that you can answer them,

04:13 I know the questions are sharp,

04:15 just like you did not defend Imran Khan's Toshakhana case,

04:20 so when you raise questions on your activities,

04:22 you feel bad with the mosque?

04:25 No, you did not talk about the activities,

04:28 you asked questions,

04:29 I answered it at the beginning of the show,

04:31 you wanted to repeat the question again,

04:33 I would like to tell you on the second number,

04:35 the official secret,

04:37 the open trial you are talking about,

04:39 this trial is going on,

04:41 the decision was not made on the trial,

04:43 the decision is pending till 25th,

04:45 in which the trial is open,

04:47 and we have said that the court of the judge,

04:50 the court cannot be transferred to the prison,

04:53 why is the decision not being made on that?

04:55 First of all, we have to see,

04:57 can the judge listen to it,

04:58 can there be a solution,

05:00 can there be an in-camera proceeding,

05:01 there is no solution on that,

05:03 rather, by collecting a challenge,

05:06 distributing copies,

05:08 committing individual crimes,

05:10 and so on,

05:11 you are saying that we did not defend,

05:14 if we were heard, we would have defended,

05:16 we did not take defense,

05:17 we had the opportunity,

05:18 we presented the witness,

05:19 on that, they closed our right,

05:21 and said that the private witness was given,

05:24 after that, the government was going to be,

05:26 this is said that this witness is not relevant,

05:28 is the order such that if this is not relevant,

05:30 then you can give more,

05:31 or you have some other,

05:32 that will be suspended,

05:33 the case has been remanded,

05:35 that will be suspended,

05:37 the case has been remanded,

05:39 the trial court has been suspended,

05:41 so now,

05:42 let's move ahead,

05:44 you all stay with us,

05:46 Sardar Latif Khosa,

05:48 why are you in such a hurry,

05:50 to give a punishment,

05:52 and how is the punishment made in this case,

05:55 and number three,

05:56 and why are you being singled out,

06:00 if you have any answer to these questions,

06:02 then give it.

06:04 See, the thing is,

06:05 the thing is,

06:06 that the thing that you are doing,

06:07 and also tell us,

06:08 that if there is a punishment,

06:09 then how much will it be?

06:11 See, the case that has been made,

06:13 the case that has been made,

06:14 which is not there,

06:15 the case of the official secretariat,

06:16 which is not made,

06:17 which can never be filed,

06:18 the case that has been made,

06:20 according to the case,

06:22 this punishment is two years,

06:24 and section 5,

06:25 and there is 14 years in it,

06:27 so this 14 years,

06:28 they argue there,

06:30 that 14 years of punishment is made,

06:32 which,

06:33 basically,

06:34 the FIR is going to be quashed,

06:36 now we have requested for quashment,

06:38 in Islamabad High Court,

06:40 the matter is not being done on that,

06:41 that it can be done,

06:42 we are arguing the FIR,

06:43 and it should be withdrawn on merit,

06:45 and if the case has to be run,

06:46 then the bail is pending,

06:48 and all other matters are going on very fast,

06:50 they want that,

06:52 Imran Khan should be fired from the election,

06:55 and because he has been suspended from the punishment,

06:57 so now a new case has been found,

06:59 in which we are immediately,

07:00 first, it would have been going on for one and a half years,

07:02 and then a new case was filed,

07:04 and in that case,

07:05 in the holidays,

07:06 the case is pending,

07:07 in the holidays,

07:08 this case is being fixed,

07:09 and the case is being finished,

07:10 for 24 hours,

07:11 actually for 48 hours,

07:12 this is what is going on,

07:13 in this case,

07:14 there is 14 years,

07:15 and one person said,

07:16 that the punishment is death,

07:17 and the other said,

07:18 the court has to decide,

07:19 you have made such a case,

07:21 murder is a crime,

07:22 and here it is said,

07:23 that 300 people will be put on trial,

07:25 so these people,

07:27 who are going to do all this,

07:29 then they say,

07:30 that it is not our fault,

07:31 we do not know about any cases,

07:33 we are not the ones who are making the cases,

07:35 no, Mr. Mahendra,

07:36 you have also mentioned the quota,

07:38 you are also mentioning Tosha Khanna,

07:40 you are also mentioning the cipher,

07:41 and you are also mentioning other cases,

07:42 sir, we are talking about the case,

07:43 we have to mention the cases,

07:44 so the matter,

07:45 I am told,

07:46 that you should talk specifically,

07:47 about Mr. Imran Khan,

07:48 and about Mr. Imran Khan's cipher case,

07:49 so you have done three cases,

07:50 anyway,

07:51 that was your right,

07:52 it was my right to ask questions,

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