Can Chairman PTI be punished in Cipher Case? Lawyer Naeem Haider's Reaction
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Transcript
00:00 Chaudhary sahib, yes Chaudhary sahib.
00:03 Yes, so Mr. Panchotra, how do you feel that you will be punished overnight by filing a case?
00:15 Is there a law of jungle, is there a law of mirror?
00:18 There is no such thing in Pakistan.
00:20 An independent chief like Jajjat is present here.
00:24 You see, if the whole nation has seen the whole process for two days,
00:30 they are not forgiving each other,
00:32 so why do you think there will be injustice in this?
00:36 Or they are hell bent on convicting him.
00:39 And with whom the whole nation is standing,
00:42 you can throw that party in the pit like this.
00:48 I fail to understand your point of view.
00:52 I would like to tell you very clearly,
00:54 in his 70 years of life,
00:57 no corruption charges were filed against him, no case was made against him.
01:01 And after 70 years, when he was removed from the government,
01:06 and a political FIR was filed against him,
01:11 that about 200 cases were filed against him.
01:13 So you saw that on one side, 144 cases are being filed,
01:16 on the other side, a watch has been found,
01:18 and that too was properly processed.
01:21 In Tosha Khana, you saw that within 5 days,
01:26 the way the proceedings were done in the leave,
01:28 and the punishment was given immediately,
01:30 and our predictions go up again and again,
01:32 that it doesn't get applied first,
01:33 and when it gets applied, the decision is reviewed,
01:36 and it is said that it should be heard again,
01:37 and then it is not heard.
01:39 After a month, it is decided,
01:41 their suspension is coming,
01:42 that the second day, the third day,
01:43 the fourth day could have been decided,
01:44 the punishment was to be suspended,
01:45 so why was it delayed?
01:47 Now there are so many requests in Islamabad High Court,
01:50 I can count 12 of them and tell you,
01:52 which I remember,
01:53 and along with that, there is a pending case in the Supreme Court,
01:55 so they are not being heard.
01:57 But Jyota sahib, the 9 cases that were filed,
02:01 that was reconfirmed,
02:03 and today's decision of the open court,
02:05 this is definitely in the favour of PTI,
02:07 and then you feel that the Justice Movement
02:10 is not getting the right to a fair trial?
02:12 Look, the 14 sections of the Official Secret Act,
02:16 there is a big difference in them,
02:18 that the judge will be given the opportunity,
02:20 to see which proceedings,
02:22 which moment,
02:24 on which he will understand,
02:25 that the investigation of the Official Secret Act,
02:27 has to be done,
02:28 some documents have to be taken,
02:29 in which he will exclude the public or whoever.
02:32 So, they decided according to that,
02:34 that this, because it is in front of you,
02:36 the case that was made,
02:37 the courts are not mentioned in it,
02:39 the cipher is about the courts,
02:41 the investigation below,
02:42 in that too we saw,
02:44 that at no place,
02:46 any material was presented,
02:48 which was to be kept secret,
02:50 or was a threat to the safety of our country,
02:52 the transcript,
02:53 they are still talking about it,
02:55 it has been circulated all over the world,
02:56 so what privacy is there on the transcript,
02:58 to be kept in a secret camera?
02:59 Nothing will be shown there.
03:01 Sir, if it was such a public document,
03:03 it was a public document,
03:05 so if it was such a public document,
03:07 so you had to run it on TV,
03:10 at that time Mr. Khan said,
03:12 showed it,
03:13 he said,
03:14 I have the secret of this country,
03:16 that is, in the address in Islamabad,
03:18 Khan said,
03:19 I have the secret,
03:20 and that secret,
03:21 he said,
03:22 he put it in his pocket,
03:23 and he did his waste code,
03:24 then later he said,
03:25 we will not take the name of that country,
03:26 because it is a national interest,
03:28 so it was a national interest,
03:29 which Khan himself was accepting,
03:31 that it is a national interest,
03:32 this is one thing,
03:33 secondly,
03:34 the charges have not been framed yet,
03:36 you are concluding the case first,
03:38 I do not understand this,
03:39 Mr. Naeem.
03:40 My brother,
03:41 how long did it take to frame the charges,
03:43 the charges have been framed,
03:45 there is evidence on it,
03:47 the cross examination time has not been given,
03:49 and the decision has also been announced,
03:51 your questions,
03:52 when did this happen?
03:53 I feel they are one-sided,
03:55 and you feel like a PMLN guy is asking me questions,
03:59 Sir, I am not a PMLN guy,
04:01 I am an ARB guy,
04:02 and I am sitting in front of you,
04:03 but you are listening to critical questions,
04:05 your ears are hurting,
04:06 you do not want to listen to the straight thing,
04:08 you want me to give you such sweet questions,
04:11 so that you can answer them,
04:13 I know the questions are sharp,
04:15 just like you did not defend Imran Khan's Toshakhana case,
04:20 so when you raise questions on your activities,
04:22 you feel bad with the mosque?
04:25 No, you did not talk about the activities,
04:28 you asked questions,
04:29 I answered it at the beginning of the show,
04:31 you wanted to repeat the question again,
04:33 I would like to tell you on the second number,
04:35 the official secret,
04:37 the open trial you are talking about,
04:39 this trial is going on,
04:41 the decision was not made on the trial,
04:43 the decision is pending till 25th,
04:45 in which the trial is open,
04:47 and we have said that the court of the judge,
04:50 the court cannot be transferred to the prison,
04:53 why is the decision not being made on that?
04:55 First of all, we have to see,
04:57 can the judge listen to it,
04:58 can there be a solution,
05:00 can there be an in-camera proceeding,
05:01 there is no solution on that,
05:03 rather, by collecting a challenge,
05:06 distributing copies,
05:08 committing individual crimes,
05:10 and so on,
05:11 you are saying that we did not defend,
05:14 if we were heard, we would have defended,
05:16 we did not take defense,
05:17 we had the opportunity,
05:18 we presented the witness,
05:19 on that, they closed our right,
05:21 and said that the private witness was given,
05:24 after that, the government was going to be,
05:26 this is said that this witness is not relevant,
05:28 is the order such that if this is not relevant,
05:30 then you can give more,
05:31 or you have some other,
05:32 that will be suspended,
05:33 the case has been remanded,
05:35 that will be suspended,
05:37 the case has been remanded,
05:39 the trial court has been suspended,
05:41 so now,
05:42 let's move ahead,
05:44 you all stay with us,
05:46 Sardar Latif Khosa,
05:48 why are you in such a hurry,
05:50 to give a punishment,
05:52 and how is the punishment made in this case,
05:55 and number three,
05:56 and why are you being singled out,
06:00 if you have any answer to these questions,
06:02 then give it.
06:04 See, the thing is,
06:05 the thing is,
06:06 that the thing that you are doing,
06:07 and also tell us,
06:08 that if there is a punishment,
06:09 then how much will it be?
06:11 See, the case that has been made,
06:13 the case that has been made,
06:14 which is not there,
06:15 the case of the official secretariat,
06:16 which is not made,
06:17 which can never be filed,
06:18 the case that has been made,
06:20 according to the case,
06:22 this punishment is two years,
06:24 and section 5,
06:25 and there is 14 years in it,
06:27 so this 14 years,
06:28 they argue there,
06:30 that 14 years of punishment is made,
06:32 which,
06:33 basically,
06:34 the FIR is going to be quashed,
06:36 now we have requested for quashment,
06:38 in Islamabad High Court,
06:40 the matter is not being done on that,
06:41 that it can be done,
06:42 we are arguing the FIR,
06:43 and it should be withdrawn on merit,
06:45 and if the case has to be run,
06:46 then the bail is pending,
06:48 and all other matters are going on very fast,
06:50 they want that,
06:52 Imran Khan should be fired from the election,
06:55 and because he has been suspended from the punishment,
06:57 so now a new case has been found,
06:59 in which we are immediately,
07:00 first, it would have been going on for one and a half years,
07:02 and then a new case was filed,
07:04 and in that case,
07:05 in the holidays,
07:06 the case is pending,
07:07 in the holidays,
07:08 this case is being fixed,
07:09 and the case is being finished,
07:10 for 24 hours,
07:11 actually for 48 hours,
07:12 this is what is going on,
07:13 in this case,
07:14 there is 14 years,
07:15 and one person said,
07:16 that the punishment is death,
07:17 and the other said,
07:18 the court has to decide,
07:19 you have made such a case,
07:21 murder is a crime,
07:22 and here it is said,
07:23 that 300 people will be put on trial,
07:25 so these people,
07:27 who are going to do all this,
07:29 then they say,
07:30 that it is not our fault,
07:31 we do not know about any cases,
07:33 we are not the ones who are making the cases,
07:35 no, Mr. Mahendra,
07:36 you have also mentioned the quota,
07:38 you are also mentioning Tosha Khanna,
07:40 you are also mentioning the cipher,
07:41 and you are also mentioning other cases,
07:42 sir, we are talking about the case,
07:43 we have to mention the cases,
07:44 so the matter,
07:45 I am told,
07:46 that you should talk specifically,
07:47 about Mr. Imran Khan,
07:48 and about Mr. Imran Khan's cipher case,
07:49 so you have done three cases,
07:50 anyway,
07:51 that was your right,
07:52 it was my right to ask questions,