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00:00 the last paragraph, Israel always targets some Hamas mid-level leaders,
00:06 so Hamas field leaders.
00:09 Well, until now, there are already some names that have been identified.
00:13 So if we then imagine Israel will target them,
00:18 it seems that there are some names that they will look for.
00:22 Yes, some like the military wing leader, Mohammad Daesh,
00:26 then there are also some spokesperson or some political leaders on the Gaza Strip.
00:33 Well, the operation will be determined whether it will be long or not,
00:37 it will be determined by the matter.
00:39 That's technically military, yes.
00:42 But actually, if later the pressure or the operation carried out by Israel is too big,
00:49 so it is not well-measured, it will open up space for international interference.
00:55 The battle is actually there.
00:58 Okay, both sides reported that there are more than 1,000 victims,
01:04 victims of this mutual attack or tension between Hamas and Israel.
01:09 On the other hand, we know that from the Gaza Strip,
01:12 it also mentions that the most urgent thing right now is evacuation
01:16 and also the needs of civilians there.
01:19 Seeing this condition, Mr. Broto,
01:21 is it time for the PBB to immediately intervene?
01:25 Is it possible, sir?
01:28 Yes, the PBB's intervention requires mandate from the Security Council.
01:32 And in the Security Council, there is still the United States.
01:36 Under normal conditions, the United States will not be available.
01:41 So the United States always uses veto,
01:44 whereas the Security Council is advocating a resolution that harms Israel.
01:48 So I hope the PBB will be dropped or jumped in this problem resolution,
01:54 especially if later it will send peacekeeping troops and the like, it is a bit difficult.
01:59 So I think diplomatic pressure is more important to be done,
02:05 especially from big countries,
02:08 except maybe the United States, which has a firm position in supporting Israel.
02:12 In what form, sir? Maybe just briefly, Mr. Broto,
02:14 diplomatic pressure that can be exerted by countries towards Israel and especially Israel?
02:21 Yes, actually some countries that have diplomatic relations with Israel
02:27 can start or initiate a temporary freezing.
02:32 It is possible.
02:33 But the strongest, actually,
02:35 the most reliable to give pressure right now is China.
02:41 China is still giving statements that are not too firm, actually.
02:46 But if China then gives a firm statement,
02:49 then they also interfere in the form of economic relations,
02:54 well, that will also be made possible.
02:57 But for a country like Indonesia, it's a bit difficult,
03:00 because we don't have a relationship with Israel.
03:03 Okay, we will continue to monitor what the developments will be like.
03:07 This escalation of tensions is also continuing to increase.
03:11 And thank you very much for your dialogue this afternoon,
03:16 Mr. Broto Wardoyo, Professor of International Relations at the University of Indonesia.
03:21 Thank you for joining us on CNN Indonesia Connected.
03:24 Thank you again, ma'am.
03:26 And we will continue to work together with CNN Indonesia Connected.
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