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00:00:00 I'm like, 'cause you're fucking 27.

00:00:01 - Right.

00:00:02 - Yeah.

00:00:03 - And they have six seconds to play this fucking game.

00:00:05 - The amount of people, dude, the amount of people

00:00:06 who come through Barstool, email, come through, call in,

00:00:09 and they say, like, I've got what it takes, I wanna do it,

00:00:12 I'm gonna work so hard at it, I wanna be like you,

00:00:15 and we're like, cool, do it, write a blog,

00:00:17 start a podcast.

00:00:18 - I know.

00:00:19 - They give up, yeah, fuck it, in two days, dude.

00:00:20 Like, two days, I'm like, do this for four years straight

00:00:25 with no feedback, no money, no nothing,

00:00:27 and then we can start talking.

00:00:28 - I wanna be famous, I wanna live a 1% life,

00:00:31 I'm like, eat shit for a decade.

00:00:33 - Yeah, yeah.

00:00:34 - And they're like, what?

00:00:34 I'm like, you wanna live a 1% life?

00:00:36 Attention is the number one asset.

00:00:39 Vayner Nation, how are you?

00:00:41 I'm really excited, this is pretty important.

00:00:44 I have three incredible friends with me.

00:00:46 This is actually where I'm thinking about going

00:00:48 with my podcast.

00:00:49 Obviously, a lot of you know that, listen,

00:00:51 a lot of my podcast is chopped up from the stuff

00:00:53 we're filming, from talks, or me moving, 'cause I'm busy,

00:00:56 and I'm not really allocating time to create.

00:00:58 On the flip side, there's a part of me as I head

00:01:01 into 2024 that really misses creating,

00:01:04 'cause you're of the moment, you're of the stuff you do,

00:01:06 I mean, you're on fucking Instagram in one second

00:01:08 after something happens in sports and you got your take.

00:01:11 And there's a lot going on with my Be Friends thing.

00:01:13 For the people watching on Twitch right now,

00:01:15 big shout out, I'm actually gonna use this

00:01:16 to build up Twitch as well and start being live on Twitch

00:01:20 when I do my podcast, and we're gonna call it

00:01:22 Podcast with Friends, and what we're gonna do

00:01:23 is me and my crew, Tyler, Zach, Dio, a lot of us,

00:01:26 Sam, she's always out there, a lot of us are always

00:01:29 just watching and cheering for the people

00:01:31 that we're gonna have on the show.

00:01:33 So we've done this in the past.

00:01:35 I've done podcasts with two or three or four people

00:01:38 at the same time, mixed from different places,

00:01:41 but I have even more clarity on why I like it.

00:01:43 I was giving a keynote at VCon,

00:01:46 VCon August 8th to the 11th, 2024, go to vcon.co

00:01:50 to check it out, it's gonna be in LA this year,

00:01:51 everybody needs to come through.

00:01:52 But I said something there off the cuff that said

00:01:57 my real passion is that strangers become acquaintances,

00:02:02 acquaintances become friends, and then friends become family.

00:02:06 And it's kind of what I'm thinking about with this podcast.

00:02:09 What we're gonna be doing going forward a lot more often,

00:02:11 maybe even once or twice a week,

00:02:12 is I'm gonna do an original podcast,

00:02:13 live, fresh, of the topics, like the Jets lost to the Raiders,

00:02:17 they're about to play the, excuse me,

00:02:19 the Bills up in Buffalo, like this will air before that.

00:02:21 Like in that week, fresh.

00:02:24 And more importantly, I'm hoping that for you, the audience,

00:02:27 a lot of these people will go from being a stranger

00:02:30 to an acquaintance.

00:02:31 For some of you that have seen them,

00:02:33 oh, you've seen them,

00:02:34 but now you're more into acquaintance to friend.

00:02:36 For some of you that are hardcore fans of these people,

00:02:39 the way we all chop up in this unique format

00:02:41 may lead from friends to family, like you like them more.

00:02:43 And then for the three individuals that join me,

00:02:46 I'm just hoping that they connect with their people

00:02:48 and something happens.

00:02:49 - Sure, yep, it's a game, man.

00:02:51 - And so we're here, episode one of Podcast with Friends,

00:02:54 and we're gonna introduce these friends to you,

00:02:57 Vayner Nation, we're gonna start here.

00:02:59 Ladies first, always to the left.

00:03:01 Please tell everybody who you are, what you do.

00:03:04 Then we're all gonna just chop it up,

00:03:05 and then all of you are gonna ask me a question at the end

00:03:08 for a Q&A session.

00:03:09 Please be really selfish about that,

00:03:11 'cause I want it to be good for your career,

00:03:12 or your life, or whatever the fuck you care about.

00:03:15 Let's rock and roll.

00:03:16 - Okay, well I like the ladies first.

00:03:19 My name's Law, since for ladies always wins,

00:03:21 ladies first, and ladies always win.

00:03:23 (laughing)

00:03:24 I'm a singer, a songwriter, so I create music,

00:03:26 I have a podcast, I am an influencer.

00:03:30 I really like to think of myself as a communicator,

00:03:32 and I kind of just have different platforms

00:03:34 and ways that I communicate--

00:03:35 - Do that. - Yeah, my messages.

00:03:36 But music is definitely my greatest gift

00:03:39 and my loudest communication right now,

00:03:41 so that's kind of what I do.

00:03:42 - And where'd you grow up?

00:03:44 - I grew up in upstate New York, so in Kingston.

00:03:46 - Love it, born and raised.

00:03:47 - Born and raised, well I was born like 20 minutes

00:03:50 around there, but I was there all of first grade

00:03:53 through 12.

00:03:55 - And you always wanted to sing?

00:03:56 When I came later.

00:03:58 - No, I always wanted to be a singer from like a,

00:04:00 I started playing piano when I was four.

00:04:02 - Okay.

00:04:03 - And like literally, literally, this blonde hair,

00:04:05 I saw Hannah Montana.

00:04:07 - Yes.

00:04:07 - And like literally the episode where she was like

00:04:10 jumping on the bed with the right of my guitar,

00:04:12 which I literally won from Six Flags.

00:04:15 I was like, I wanna do that.

00:04:16 And then like yeah, I kind of was just like,

00:04:18 I always knew, I went to high school and I got into fights

00:04:22 with my guidance counselor every week,

00:04:23 'cause she was like, you know, SATs,

00:04:25 and you gotta go to college, and I was like,

00:04:26 I'm gonna be a pop star.

00:04:28 And you know, that was--

00:04:28 - And here we are.

00:04:29 - But here we are, right?

00:04:30 And now I'm sitting talking to Gary Vee.

00:04:32 - I love it.

00:04:33 - Crazy.

00:04:33 - My man.

00:04:34 - I'm Kevin Clancy, people call me KFC or KFC Barstool.

00:04:38 I started Barstool in New York, the New York branch

00:04:41 of everything at Barstool in '09,

00:04:44 where we were just blogging at the time,

00:04:46 we were just writing all day long, 10 or 15 posts a day.

00:04:49 And then I jumped on the podcast wave,

00:04:51 I knew that was gonna be the next big thing for Barstool,

00:04:55 so I've been doing my podcast there for, since 2012.

00:04:59 And then, you know, video after that,

00:05:01 which is my video series on social media

00:05:03 called One Minute Man, so we kind of do all of it--

00:05:06 - You're proud of that One Minute Man?

00:05:07 - Fuck yeah, man, love it.

00:05:08 - Well, what do you think about that brand positioning?

00:05:11 - I don't even know what that is, to be honest with you.

00:05:14 - Well, you know what a One Minute Man is in real life,

00:05:16 right, like someone who lasts one minute, like--

00:05:20 - It's like, "Sash, really?"

00:05:21 - Yeah.

00:05:21 - Oh my God, I was like, what is like a,

00:05:25 for a, this is like me all the time, though.

00:05:27 People say things and I'll be like,

00:05:29 nah, let's focus on it.

00:05:30 - Task at hand, not your dirty hands.

00:05:32 Go ahead, here we go.

00:05:34 - Yeah, and so now, I mean, I've been there,

00:05:37 yeah, what's that, almost like 15 years,

00:05:39 14, whatever, so--

00:05:40 - And now it's an iconic brand versus--

00:05:42 - Crazy, dude.

00:05:43 - When you're a grandpa, you're gonna be talking about it

00:05:45 and they're gonna know what it is versus,

00:05:47 even when we met, you guys were still on the come up.

00:05:49 - Totally, I mean, and I never, ever thought

00:05:52 it was gonna be like this.

00:05:54 I was happy, I just wanted to get a job

00:05:56 that was not a job.

00:05:58 Like, I just wanted to talk sports

00:06:00 or shoot the shit or something.

00:06:02 And I was born in the Bronx, lived in New York,

00:06:04 I like threw it through.

00:06:05 - Right, so like Mike and the Mad Dog,

00:06:06 like the Joe Benet dog.

00:06:08 - Yeah, Mike and Dog were like my thing.

00:06:10 You know, Boomer and Carter and all those guys.

00:06:13 I went to Fordham and that has, I believe,

00:06:16 the best radio and communications program in the country.

00:06:20 Syracuse, some people say, I think it's Fordham.

00:06:22 - A lot of people from my high school went to Fordham.

00:06:24 - Yeah, and if you're into--

00:06:25 - Which one's considered more bougie

00:06:27 and which one's considered more street?

00:06:29 - What, between what?

00:06:30 - Fordham and Syracuse.

00:06:31 - I don't know the answer to that.

00:06:34 - Are both bougie comm schools?

00:06:36 - Probably, I think, I mean, it's a, you know,

00:06:38 it's not exactly--

00:06:39 - Yeah, they're both considered good comm schools.

00:06:40 - Yeah, but I think, you know, from Fordham that I, like--

00:06:42 - I know so many people from Fordham.

00:06:44 - There's a lot.

00:06:45 I mean, if you look at sports media,

00:06:46 it's Mike Green, Ian Eagle, Michael Caine.

00:06:48 - A lot of athletes come from Syracuse, though.

00:06:50 - Yeah, yeah, that's for sure.

00:06:51 - That's not even close.

00:06:52 - Sports, sports--

00:06:54 - The guys that talk about it.

00:06:56 - The nerds are over here, the guys who play it, you know.

00:06:59 - No, Cuse got both.

00:07:00 - Yeah, well, okay.

00:07:01 But I would say Fordham being--

00:07:04 Totally, but I think, I mean, when you're at Fordham,

00:07:06 you get to cover the Mets, the Jets, the Nets, you are in--

00:07:08 - Would you fight a Fordham sportscaster

00:07:11 in a fight to settle this?

00:07:12 Like, can I put on a paper?

00:07:13 - A Syracuse broadcaster?

00:07:14 - Yeah, yeah, excuse me, Syracuse.

00:07:16 Can I get you and a Cuse podcaster,

00:07:18 sports personality to fight to settle

00:07:21 this very challenging thing

00:07:22 that we've all been trying to figure out,

00:07:24 which is who's got a better broadcast school,

00:07:26 Fordham or Syracuse?

00:07:27 - You can make some money off that.

00:07:28 - And you got the distribution.

00:07:29 - We have the program for that, Rufferati.

00:07:30 - Twitch, big shout out to all of you.

00:07:32 Get ready, it's coming.

00:07:34 We're gonna use this--

00:07:35 - Not a fight.

00:07:35 - We're gonna build up Twitch, this podcast.

00:07:36 Thank you for being here.

00:07:37 Johnny V, what's good?

00:07:38 Aquabums, what's good?

00:07:40 Stunt, Tuck, NFT, what's good?

00:07:42 Studio Steve, what's good?

00:07:43 So no, you're not into that.

00:07:46 - No, but you know what, we have,

00:07:47 at Barstool, we have Ruffin Rowdy,

00:07:49 which is our amateur boxing federation, if you will.

00:07:51 - By the way, I've said this to Erica,

00:07:51 I've said this to Dave, I've said this to you,

00:07:53 I think maybe even on the podcast

00:07:55 when I was on with you a couple years ago,

00:07:57 forever, I will say this,

00:07:59 Ruffin Rowdy was the seed of what's happening now.

00:08:03 - 100%.

00:08:04 - The Paul brothers. - The celebrity boxing.

00:08:05 - Ruffin Rowdy. - 100%.

00:08:06 - Now, one could argue Kimbo Slice,

00:08:09 and that was the seed before Ruffin Rowdy,

00:08:11 was a fucking pay-per-view.

00:08:13 I think this is lost in history.

00:08:17 I mean this.

00:08:19 I think certain things get lost in history.

00:08:21 - Sometimes we do the first, you're a little too early.

00:08:23 - But sometimes--

00:08:24 - Things are so fast nowadays.

00:08:25 - But you know what, sometimes you wanna talk about,

00:08:27 people know I was an early investor

00:08:28 on Facebook and Twitter.

00:08:29 I don't talk enough about that I started a YouTube show

00:08:32 eight weeks after YouTube launched.

00:08:34 Eight weeks after YouTube launched.

00:08:37 Like, that's not on my resume

00:08:38 that all of you walk around knowing like,

00:08:40 yo, Gary Vee was like early actual real YouTuber.

00:08:44 I let that get lost in history.

00:08:46 I'm trying to recoup it right now.

00:08:47 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:48 - You're on my resume now.

00:08:49 - Put it on the top of the resume.

00:08:50 - Anyway, brother, I'm glad you're on.

00:08:51 - Yeah, man, thank you so much, appreciate it.

00:08:52 - I'm excited to chat up with you,

00:08:52 especially, I wanna talk a little bit,

00:08:53 Michael Carter got cut, who I love with all my heart,

00:08:55 but a lot going on in our Jets land.

00:08:57 All right, my man.

00:08:58 - Dale Moss, former NFL wide receiver.

00:09:01 A lot of people know me--

00:09:03 - Did you say Randy Moss?

00:09:04 - I wish.

00:09:05 That was the comparison often.

00:09:08 Former NFL wide receiver, transitioned out of sports,

00:09:11 now sports and entertainment host.

00:09:12 A lot of people know me from the reality world.

00:09:16 But since, you know, my main focus now is filmmaking.

00:09:20 I'm currently producing, developing three docu-series,

00:09:23 working with Radical Media, Academy Award winning

00:09:26 production company.

00:09:27 And doing a lot of things, you know, as a creator.

00:09:30 Again, covering NFL games.

00:09:32 Sports is near and dear to my heart,

00:09:34 but storytelling is a passion of mine.

00:09:38 And I think--

00:09:38 - Put the two together, right?

00:09:40 - Yeah, 100%.

00:09:41 I feel like for so long in my life,

00:09:42 I was so afraid to share my own story.

00:09:45 That I grabbed, so I grew up in South Dakota.

00:09:49 Small town, Midwest.

00:09:51 - So you needed to be humble, right?

00:09:52 You didn't do that kind of shit,

00:09:53 or was it something else?

00:09:54 - No, it was, I think, so my mom's side disowned her

00:09:57 'cause of biracial marriage.

00:09:59 Very isolated community.

00:10:01 Sports was my pathway to break through so many barriers.

00:10:03 - It was your safe place.

00:10:05 - But my family structure was very strong.

00:10:08 My dad suffered pretty heavily from heroin addictions.

00:10:12 You know, was in and out of prison 'til the time I was 21.

00:10:15 But even with all those things that occurred,

00:10:16 like we were raised right.

00:10:20 Our love and support from our family was unconditional.

00:10:24 But I know that everything I did as I was growing up,

00:10:28 I was so, everyone judged me, right?

00:10:31 Or they were just waiting for something to happen

00:10:33 because at that point, if I fucked up--

00:10:35 - Who was they?

00:10:36 Your mom's side of the family?

00:10:38 - I think just the community I was in.

00:10:39 - Right, which was the broader version

00:10:40 of your mom's side of the family.

00:10:41 Makes sense. - Yeah, yeah.

00:10:42 - Makes sense, I got it, I'm following.

00:10:44 - Again, South Dakota, only black kid in my school

00:10:48 'til the time I was in high school.

00:10:50 But I had this fear of if I made a mistake,

00:10:54 everything everyone ever thought about my family or myself--

00:10:58 - Would then be true.

00:10:59 - It would be true.

00:11:00 - So you went the other way.

00:11:01 - God damn, that's a big burden to carry.

00:11:03 - Yeah.

00:11:04 - And Kevin, you know what, it's funny.

00:11:05 This is what's so interesting about life,

00:11:07 what I'm excited about to get into these episodes,

00:11:09 and I appreciate you going there right off the bat.

00:11:12 We all have that.

00:11:14 This concept of judgment is something

00:11:16 I'm spending a lot of time thinking about.

00:11:18 Y'all know my content.

00:11:20 I'm trying to get people to understand

00:11:21 what's actually going on.

00:11:23 Judgment's a killer.

00:11:24 Think about, and by the way, listening to his story,

00:11:28 we all know kids go extreme one way or the other on that.

00:11:32 You either like, I'm never gonna make a fucking mistake

00:11:35 to show y'all, or you go, fuck it, it doesn't matter.

00:11:39 No matter what I do, you're always gonna judge me,

00:11:40 so fuck it, I'm just gonna make mistakes.

00:11:43 There's only one answer to that.

00:11:45 They're on two sides of the pillow,

00:11:46 but they're gonna be fucking extreme.

00:11:48 - Yeah, either or.

00:11:50 - But I will say, as time went on,

00:11:53 you learn to let go of those things.

00:11:55 But I'm grateful for how I grew up, how I was raised,

00:11:59 and it's allowed me--

00:12:00 - Do you think your adversities are your foundation?

00:12:03 - 100%.

00:12:05 I remember one time, again, I came,

00:12:08 a lot of people know me from the reality world.

00:12:10 - Tell everybody about that,

00:12:11 'cause there's gonna be a lot of people--

00:12:11 - What are you on? - You mentioned it,

00:12:13 just again, there's gonna be so many people

00:12:14 that listen to this show over the next year or two.

00:12:16 A lot of them won't know who you are from that world,

00:12:19 so break it down, go ahead.

00:12:19 - Yeah, so I was on The Bachelorette in 2020

00:12:23 during the pandemic.

00:12:25 - So that small show.

00:12:26 - Yeah, so-- - Pretty sure, yeah.

00:12:27 - So everyone knows-- - Most watched reality show

00:12:29 in the history of television.

00:12:31 Also, I had a very unique experience

00:12:33 because on my season, the lead at the time

00:12:37 decided to stop the show

00:12:38 and we ended up leaving together early,

00:12:41 which I never--

00:12:43 - It's like reality TV Hall of Fame material.

00:12:46 - Yeah, it had never happened.

00:12:47 - Like I even know what you're talking about.

00:12:48 - Yeah, yeah, it had never happened.

00:12:49 - And not in full detail, but I'm like,

00:12:51 yep, I remember that shit,

00:12:52 'cause I'm like, work every second.

00:12:53 - Yeah, I heard about a season

00:12:55 of The Bachelor ending that way.

00:12:56 Is that a really lost-- - Yeah, that was my season.

00:12:58 - So this is ironic.

00:12:59 - But you can see it, look at the face.

00:13:00 - I was gonna say, if I had a chance to stop the show

00:13:02 and just take this motherfucker home, I would too.

00:13:04 - Motherfucker, I'm stopping this podcast right now.

00:13:06 - Yeah, let's go.

00:13:07 - See everyone, have a great time.

00:13:08 - I look like that.

00:13:09 - But that goes back to wanting to do things right.

00:13:13 I had this naive belief

00:13:14 that you could make it work with anybody

00:13:17 and I think sometimes when you have that approach,

00:13:20 just because of what my mom and my sisters had to go through

00:13:22 I wanted to be that so badly for someone else

00:13:24 and solve the problems. - Superhero.

00:13:27 - Exactly. - I know, same.

00:13:28 - I know, I got that shit in me too.

00:13:30 - But you can lose yourself in that.

00:13:32 But I will say that's the greatest experience I ever had.

00:13:35 I grew a lot from it.

00:13:36 I went through some shit in the media

00:13:38 but I never compromised my character and integrity.

00:13:41 - It taught you about yourself for you too.

00:13:43 You're still young.

00:13:43 How old are you? - The World Can Love You.

00:13:45 - How old are you?

00:13:46 - 35.

00:13:47 - Yeah, you're a young dude.

00:13:47 This is a couple years ago, right?

00:13:49 - Yeah, 23 now.

00:13:50 - Yeah, so you learned a lot about yourself.

00:13:53 - Yeah, and you can be, The World Can Love You

00:13:55 and something happens and then--

00:13:57 - It cancels you. - It changes overnight.

00:13:58 But I think anytime you go through something like that,

00:14:01 especially with millions of people

00:14:03 kinda watching every move. - Watching and judging.

00:14:06 - And you can maintain your integrity and who you are

00:14:08 and not lose yourself. - Let's actually go around here

00:14:10 a little bit with like, back to what I wanna do with this.

00:14:13 There's probably gonna be, this is so fun

00:14:14 'cause I like to improv and innovate in real time

00:14:17 on the show.

00:14:18 So much of like, even see what I have on the table

00:14:20 with Be Friends, I was like, you know what?

00:14:22 This will work for me because I'm on this journey

00:14:23 of building my Pokemon Marvel Sesame Street

00:14:26 called Be Friends. - I got the panda.

00:14:27 - Thank you, I did. - Yeah, I got the bulldog

00:14:29 and someone else.

00:14:30 I think the cow, the cow.

00:14:31 - It's common sense.

00:14:33 I made the cow common sense 'cause I believe

00:14:35 it's really underrated and I know that cows are popular.

00:14:39 So like, there's--

00:14:41 - I love cows, this is why I'm doing this.

00:14:42 Every day on my story, I post a cow.

00:14:44 It's like my dream to have like a--

00:14:45 - We need to get our common sense cow swag, let's do that.

00:14:48 - So now no one can judge me.

00:14:50 - Actually, open this back up, Karin,

00:14:51 to see if you pull out a common sense cow.

00:14:53 - If this was a cow, I'm gonna think

00:14:54 that this was Max Major and I'm gonna freak out.

00:14:56 (laughing)

00:14:57 I'm gonna literally scream

00:14:57 and all these motors are gonna break and now I'm scared.

00:14:59 - Actually, I'm gonna go around the horn right now

00:15:01 and ask, actually, let's see what you pulled.

00:15:02 Let's see. - Okay, we have,

00:15:04 is this a bass fish?

00:15:05 - No, you can read it, it's at the top.

00:15:07 I think it's a brilliant-- - Brilliant--

00:15:08 - Barracuda. - Barracuda, okay.

00:15:10 The woke walrus.

00:15:12 I relate to that.

00:15:13 I just, walrus energy.

00:15:15 Karma Kiwi.

00:15:16 - I'm big on karma.

00:15:17 - Oh my gosh, she's cute, okay.

00:15:19 Persistent penguin, that's me.

00:15:21 - That's you right there? - Yeah.

00:15:22 - It's a rookie car too, wasn't in series one.

00:15:24 All right, listen, I'm doing a little nerdy stuff like that.

00:15:27 Okay, real quick, around the horn,

00:15:29 now that we're talking about this,

00:15:30 and I'm gonna do this on every episode,

00:15:31 team, keep me honest on this.

00:15:33 One or two words that you think most describe you,

00:15:37 who you are as you sit with me today.

00:15:40 - Jeez. - Yes, Law?

00:15:44 - Gary, I've never been to therapy,

00:15:45 so that's a deep ass question.

00:15:47 - Yeah, honestly, I like this stuff.

00:15:48 Yeah, like, just like, honestly, real talk,

00:15:51 and by the way, sometimes people can answer

00:15:53 like, you know, right away, and I'm saving you,

00:15:56 I'm doing this right now to give you a little time,

00:15:58 but like--

00:15:59 - They have a little time, not me.

00:16:00 I'm right next to you. - Ladies first.

00:16:01 - I get it.

00:16:02 - You know, what word or two do you think

00:16:04 most describe you right now?

00:16:06 - I was actually thinking about getting this tattooed.

00:16:10 - So that's deep. - Yeah, right.

00:16:11 - So this really resonates with you.

00:16:13 - Yeah, I would say resilient.

00:16:15 I've learned that that's my superpower,

00:16:18 is that every time I'm going through something super hard,

00:16:22 I'm like, kind of just like, oh, like,

00:16:25 I don't give up very easily,

00:16:26 and I kind of like, would just like, eh, like, whatever,

00:16:28 like, I'm just like, good at dealing with bullshit, I guess,

00:16:30 but then I realize, like, wow, like, I just don't stop,

00:16:33 and like, that's kind of why I've been able

00:16:35 to get where I'm going. - I ride resilience a lot.

00:16:36 It's funny, with Be Friends, one of the things

00:16:38 I'm trying to do is change the narrative on things.

00:16:41 So the mascot of my entire IP, the Mickey Mouse,

00:16:46 the Pikachu, is the very, very, very, very lucky black cat.

00:16:51 - Yep. - Hell yeah.

00:16:52 - Oh. - Hell yeah.

00:16:53 - And so resilience is something I really admire,

00:16:56 and it's funny, I don't like, like,

00:16:58 not that I like the devil, don't worry, everybody,

00:17:00 but like, I'm trying to do some contradictions,

00:17:02 so in Be Friends world,

00:17:03 the resilient is the resilient red devil,

00:17:06 and like, I'm just trying to change some conversations,

00:17:08 dig a little bit deeper.

00:17:09 I love resilience, I love that.

00:17:11 My man, where you at right now?

00:17:14 - I'm in the same place I'm always in.

00:17:15 I'm always trying to be what's next, you know?

00:17:20 Like-- - Innovative?

00:17:21 - I guess so. - Curious?

00:17:23 - Yeah, I mean, like, I was-- - Adaptive?

00:17:26 - I was blogging when that was new,

00:17:29 I started the podcast first.

00:17:30 - I know your career well, I'm a fan.

00:17:32 - Yeah, like-- - Adaptive, innovative,

00:17:34 curious, all?

00:17:35 - Probably all.

00:17:36 I hesitate to use the word trailblazer,

00:17:41 'cause I think it's dramatic,

00:17:42 but what I have always done--

00:17:43 - It would also be douchey of you to say that right now.

00:17:45 - Right. - Yeah, don't do that.

00:17:45 - But I do it in a sense of like--

00:17:47 - Iconic? - No.

00:17:49 (laughing)

00:17:50 - Legendary? - The best?

00:17:51 - No. - The go-to?

00:17:52 - Go-to, he's go-to. - The single greatest human

00:17:54 to ever work on Earth?

00:17:56 - I think I do it in a literal way, though.

00:17:59 I have always done it first,

00:18:00 and then someone at the company,

00:18:02 or someone else has taken it-- - Fearless?

00:18:04 - To the next level. - Fearless?

00:18:05 - And I'm kinda happy with that.

00:18:07 - Yeah. - All right, fuck it,

00:18:09 fearless, I guess. - But really--

00:18:10 - I think all of these things are a little bit dramatic

00:18:12 when we're talking about-- - Fearless.

00:18:13 - I actually don't, I think-- - Sorts of media accounts

00:18:14 and content and whatnot. - Yeah.

00:18:16 - But-- - Why?

00:18:17 Like, honestly, if you think about--

00:18:19 - I don't think anybody should be afraid.

00:18:21 There's no, you know, like--

00:18:23 - Brother, I have good news for you.

00:18:24 The entire world's afraid. - Yeah, yeah, I hear you.

00:18:26 Yeah, that's true. - Bro, the only thing

00:18:29 that's happening right now is fear.

00:18:31 - Yeah. - Yeah.

00:18:32 - It's everywhere. - Like, do you know

00:18:33 what this podcast is about for me personally?

00:18:36 Building blocks to eliminate fear.

00:18:38 Friendship is how you eliminate fear.

00:18:41 Back to interracial marriages,

00:18:42 what's going on in the Middle East right now?

00:18:43 Like, the only way things happen good

00:18:46 is if people become friends.

00:18:47 Especially when they don't look like each other.

00:18:49 - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:18:51 - Everyone's-- - Yeah, no, I get that.

00:18:53 I get that.

00:18:54 I just didn't wanna be dramatic about it,

00:18:55 but I do think we'll always-- - You're not being dramatic.

00:18:56 We're just talking about, to your point,

00:18:57 we're just talking about content.

00:18:58 But guess what? - Yeah, yeah.

00:18:59 - Like, what sports?

00:19:01 Do you know this?

00:19:02 You're just, like, a lot of us are,

00:19:03 let's use this as a theme.

00:19:05 Athletes used to not get paid a lot of money in 1930, '40, '50.

00:19:08 Do you know how much more famous a pilot was in America?

00:19:10 - Yeah. - Outside of Mickey Mantle?

00:19:12 Like, the 1982 NBA Finals was on tape delay.

00:19:16 - Right, that's crazy. - It wasn't aired live

00:19:17 'cause it was that not popular.

00:19:19 - Wow. - I didn't know that.

00:19:20 - It wasn't really 'til, like, Magic and Bird

00:19:21 where they really became, like, a leak.

00:19:23 - So, yeah, so, like, I don't know.

00:19:26 Like, content, like, did you hear what Law said?

00:19:29 She watched Hannah Montana.

00:19:31 She watched her. - Deadass.

00:19:32 Love you, Miley, if you're watching this.

00:19:34 - She watched Miley be in a Nickelodeon show,

00:19:37 and it changed her life.

00:19:38 Like, we may say, like, listen,

00:19:40 every time we make a piece of content, this included,

00:19:42 I'm hoping one of the four of us says something

00:19:45 for Not PCX on Twitch, or Juan Gibberts,

00:19:48 or Blessed Downstairs, or the millions that will listen

00:19:50 over the next three years of this podcast,

00:19:52 I'm hoping we say one thing.

00:19:54 - Right. - And by the way,

00:19:55 entertainment, which is what you do, that's escapism.

00:20:00 What is movies and music and sports?

00:20:02 It's letting us deal with the fucking hardships

00:20:04 of the world, like, everything is,

00:20:06 I could be super stressed,

00:20:07 and I have a lot going on in my life,

00:20:09 but it's Sunday at 4.25 p.m. this Sunday,

00:20:12 I don't care about anything,

00:20:14 but beat the fucking Buffalo Bills.

00:20:16 (laughing)

00:20:17 - Well, they've been struggling lately, so.

00:20:19 - You know what I mean?

00:20:19 - Yeah, man, I trust you, I know.

00:20:20 - That's so different though,

00:20:21 and I'm thinking about the same thing.

00:20:22 - Never hedge on that.

00:20:23 - Inception coming.

00:20:24 - What do you think?

00:20:24 - I would say complete and curious.

00:20:28 - Complete and curious.

00:20:29 - Complete, ah.

00:20:30 - Do you feel complete?

00:20:31 - I feel the most complete in my life that I have.

00:20:34 I know that I'm not complete.

00:20:35 - Let me ask you a different question.

00:20:36 Yes, I love that.

00:20:37 What about content?

00:20:38 'Cause I'm curious how you define complete versus content.

00:20:42 'Cause I see people think content bad,

00:20:44 and I think content greatest state of humanity.

00:20:48 - Yeah.

00:20:48 - When you're content but hungry,

00:20:50 like that's how I feel, that's why I jumped on that.

00:20:52 - Yeah, I mean--

00:20:53 - I'm good at all moments.

00:20:54 I've been good, 'cause I also got raised right

00:20:57 before I even started,

00:20:59 which is why I think everything's happening.

00:21:00 I don't need another good thing to happen.

00:21:03 - You're set, yeah.

00:21:04 - I'm good, but I wanna fucking tear it all down.

00:21:06 - Oh, yeah, slave for sure.

00:21:08 So I would say like content to me--

00:21:11 - Is complacent?

00:21:12 - A little bit.

00:21:13 - Yeah, this is why I'm fascinated by this word.

00:21:15 This is why I'm playing with this right now.

00:21:17 - Yeah, people get confused.

00:21:17 - Because my baseline is like, I'm grateful,

00:21:20 I feel like I can make the best of any situation.

00:21:23 But I feel like for so long in my life,

00:21:24 I was doing things probably for other people.

00:21:27 Now, I said fuck it, I'm doing things for myself,

00:21:30 building things, but I'm also curious in trying new things.

00:21:33 - Yeah, like it.

00:21:34 - I'm in the gaming space, I'm doing Twitch, I'm trying.

00:21:37 And these are things I never would have done before.

00:21:39 - Liz for short, I'm not trying to change his word.

00:21:41 I actually, Liz for short said,

00:21:43 Gary out here trying to change his word.

00:21:44 I'm not actually.

00:21:45 I'm like so fascinated by his word.

00:21:47 And sometimes in my excitement of fascination,

00:21:49 I'll jump in and I get why you felt that

00:21:51 and I understand that.

00:21:52 No, it's actually I'm like so impressed by that word.

00:21:55 And I'm also fascinated by content.

00:21:58 And then he followed it up with the word

00:21:59 that I think we're both foundationally grounded in,

00:22:01 which is gratitude.

00:22:02 When you're actually grateful, it's a wrap.

00:22:05 Like it's a wrap.

00:22:07 It's why gratitude, by the way,

00:22:10 what I'm setting up here is what I've been trying

00:22:12 to figure out, like listening to y'all.

00:22:14 My big thing with Vee Friends when I start doing animation

00:22:16 and books and like build this out,

00:22:18 is it's actually never one thing.

00:22:19 It's gratitude and curiosity.

00:22:23 Like I think people are trying to solve things

00:22:25 with one thing.

00:22:26 - Yeah.

00:22:27 - And when I'm looking at it, right?

00:22:29 These are ingredients.

00:22:31 This is why Vee Friends,

00:22:32 the way they're gonna solve shit is more like,

00:22:34 I need three of them to save the day.

00:22:37 Gratitude, Gorilla and Curious Crane need to go to him

00:22:39 and be like, no, you got this.

00:22:41 And I don't think anyone on earth is talking about

00:22:43 gratitude and curiosity together in an intense way

00:22:47 to solve the anxiety and unhappiness and worry

00:22:50 that everyone's laying at home with.

00:22:53 And I think we're trying to solve with one trait

00:22:55 when it's a mix of three.

00:22:57 - Yeah, I agree, I agree.

00:22:59 And just being curious, I feel secure to a point now

00:23:03 where I can go and if I make a mistake

00:23:06 or something doesn't, you know, it flops,

00:23:08 it's like, all right, fuck it, I'm good.

00:23:10 - That, I feel like that, you got,

00:23:12 when you get beyond that point,

00:23:15 I feel like that is a very critical point

00:23:17 of almost any career.

00:23:18 - It's the point.

00:23:18 - Like, 'cause there is, to go back to that fear thing,

00:23:20 there are so many people afraid to do something

00:23:23 and it doesn't blow up and you're not famous right away

00:23:26 and you don't get the views.

00:23:27 But I hit a moment like a couple years ago

00:23:30 that was very, it was the very corny,

00:23:34 like there's no such thing as failure,

00:23:36 it was just like learning a lot.

00:23:37 Like One Minute Man, we started in 2017

00:23:40 and it worked and it was doing well

00:23:42 and then Facebook changed their algorithm,

00:23:44 the views plummeted, it kind of fell off

00:23:46 and I was like, all right, like I failed, that sucks.

00:23:49 And then the pandemic hits,

00:23:51 Instagram's doing some shit with their

00:23:53 user generated content and all of a sudden it comes back

00:23:57 and it was like our guys' email being like,

00:23:59 we need short form video that's topical

00:24:02 and I was like, I can do this, I've already done this.

00:24:05 And when I thought it was a failure,

00:24:07 I like slid it back in and then this time it grows

00:24:10 and I was like, oh wow, that was not,

00:24:12 in the moment I thought it was a failure

00:24:13 and then three, four, five years later I realized,

00:24:15 oh no, no, no, it was just, wasn't the right time,

00:24:18 it wasn't the right situation and now it is.

00:24:20 So then I was like, how many other things

00:24:22 am I right now failing at that I'm like,

00:24:24 oh, I gotta wait 'til I'm 40, 42, 46, 40,

00:24:28 and then those things become--

00:24:29 - Let's talk about that.

00:24:30 The world, and I'd love to get all three of your perspective,

00:24:35 the world is so absolute.

00:24:39 Even think about this conversation,

00:24:40 winning, failing, working, not working.

00:24:44 Going back to a little bit what you touched on, brother,

00:24:46 like for me, and I'm curious,

00:24:48 you're so early in your career,

00:24:50 like things are starting to happen for you,

00:24:52 like knowing your ambition,

00:24:54 if Hannah Montana is that North Star,

00:24:57 you're trying to be as famous as you possibly can.

00:25:00 And so I think about a couple things

00:25:03 that I'd love to get all three of your reactions to.

00:25:05 My big thing is like,

00:25:07 even the frameworks of winning and losing,

00:25:10 like it's why I love process.

00:25:12 Like my great dream is that the world redefines success.

00:25:17 So like to me, the reason that was really interesting

00:25:23 for me, KFC, is that to me,

00:25:26 if I'm just doing what I want to be doing,

00:25:31 of course I want it to do well.

00:25:34 But I'm just like secretly,

00:25:36 and this is maybe the Jets fandom in me,

00:25:38 real talk, secretly, and I'm curious,

00:25:41 'cause now all three of you have had,

00:25:44 all three of you have had more wins

00:25:47 in the way the world defines it

00:25:48 than the eight billion people,

00:25:50 on average of eight billion people on Earth.

00:25:53 So I'm actually really curious

00:25:54 where all three of you can take this.

00:25:56 For me, if people fall in love with the process,

00:26:00 like actually, and I don't know,

00:26:03 I feel like I'm in some weird next level

00:26:04 of this video game, where I almost like

00:26:07 when it's not working, more.

00:26:08 - Yeah, the grind, yeah, it's like a new version

00:26:10 of the process. - The Gary V thing

00:26:11 fucked me up, because now I've gotten to a place

00:26:14 that I don't like as much as I did 10 years ago,

00:26:15 where people actually do think it's gonna work.

00:26:18 - Yeah. - Too easy.

00:26:20 - I like where Be Friends is right now,

00:26:22 because I don't think people really,

00:26:24 I can't wait for, I'm enjoying,

00:26:27 I want to be underrated at all times,

00:26:29 and the more success you pile on,

00:26:31 it gets harder. - It's hard to be underrated.

00:26:32 - When I was in my dad's liquor store at 32,

00:26:35 at 32, and my friends from high school and college

00:26:39 came to buy wine and liquor,

00:26:41 and I would ring them up at the register

00:26:43 and bring the case of wine to their BMW,

00:26:46 'cause they worked in Wall Street,

00:26:48 and they would drive off, and I was working

00:26:51 in my dad's store at, how old are you?

00:26:53 - 38. - Beautiful.

00:26:54 Like 35, 38, ladies, we don't,

00:26:57 but I just want you to hear this,

00:27:00 at 34 years old, I worked in a liquor store.

00:27:03 - Yeah, that's crazy. - Yeah.

00:27:04 - And people walking in, and I saw what they looked at,

00:27:08 I know what judgment looks like.

00:27:09 - Yeah, yeah, facts. - Yeah.

00:27:10 - Well, you also had a bit of a glow up, too.

00:27:11 - It's easy to pick it up.

00:27:12 - Yeah, but you know what?

00:27:14 When you have the glow up in your head,

00:27:16 that you've already been glown,

00:27:18 because you're just in your zone,

00:27:20 regardless if you get to the place you got to or not.

00:27:23 I wish people knew how happy I was then.

00:27:27 - In that moment. - Yeah.

00:27:28 - I feel like people can feel that, though.

00:27:30 Like if you, you know, like how you carry yourself

00:27:34 and what you exude, like that, it shines through, for sure.

00:27:39 But maybe they were just too blind to see it,

00:27:40 or they're focused on so many different things.

00:27:42 - Well, they also, their definition

00:27:44 is different than your definition.

00:27:45 - That, that, this is the whole point.

00:27:47 Can we, like, to me, law won.

00:27:49 And I don't believe the, I mean it, law.

00:27:52 And I don't think-- - Ladies always win.

00:27:54 - And I don't-- - We're getting the break?

00:27:56 - We're getting the point here, we're getting the point here.

00:27:58 - Air Force is, 'cause I learned this, I'm gonna agree.

00:28:01 - No, but listen, this is real talk.

00:28:02 - But winning's not an event, though.

00:28:05 I feel like that's kind of why,

00:28:07 like that's why I put it in my brand,

00:28:08 is that I don't think winning is like,

00:28:10 at the end of a day or at the end of a game,

00:28:12 like you won this or you lost this.

00:28:14 Winning is like a lifestyle, and it's just something

00:28:16 that you do in your day-to-day.

00:28:17 I feel like it's-- - But can you live it?

00:28:20 - Yeah, because it's not-- - So here's the question.

00:28:21 Professionally, or like, what today,

00:28:25 actually paint a picture for the audience,

00:28:27 'cause I want to get to know,

00:28:28 where do you think you are in your career?

00:28:30 Like, the way we all define it.

00:28:32 - You know what's, I run it. - I'm on the come up,

00:28:33 I got a cosign from this, I had a flop,

00:28:36 I have a song coming out tomorrow that's gonna,

00:28:38 where are you in your career for all of the audience?

00:28:40 - Sir, sir, I'ma be real with you.

00:28:42 - Yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am.

00:28:43 - I thought I was at a certain point,

00:28:45 and I feel like, I think I'm at a point right now

00:28:48 where people know who I am.

00:28:50 I had a pretty viral moment where I--

00:28:53 - Tell everybody, 'cause I'm telling you,

00:28:54 this is the big thing, like, all of you got things,

00:28:56 but like, my audience comes from so,

00:28:58 like, there's a lot of different,

00:28:59 and I want them to hear it, and this is for y'all,

00:29:01 so what was your viral moment?

00:29:03 - My first, I had a couple viral moments,

00:29:05 so I first went viral in 2021 for doing a loyalty test,

00:29:10 the most random thing on earth.

00:29:11 My friend's boyfriend, or yeah,

00:29:13 my friend's boyfriend was cheating on her,

00:29:14 I made a TikTok, it went viral.

00:29:16 I became very known for doing this,

00:29:18 but obviously I was doing music,

00:29:19 so then when I did that, I had a first song that came out,

00:29:22 my first song ever that came out.

00:29:23 It started doing well, I made a different TikTok account

00:29:26 that was strictly for music,

00:29:27 and then I posted my song "Why Me",

00:29:29 it has like five million streams,

00:29:30 so everybody's like, you know,

00:29:31 whatever, it's having its moment.

00:29:32 - Yeah, that's real.

00:29:34 - Yeah, so I think I kind of like lost,

00:29:36 or I was gone with it.

00:29:38 - Where you at?

00:29:38 - Oh, yeah, so I think people know, they know who I am,

00:29:41 I think that I would go live on TikTok,

00:29:43 and people would be like,

00:29:44 "Oh, you're the girl that made that 'Why Me' song."

00:29:47 And I was like, "Oh, so there's people who know this song

00:29:49 "who don't know me."

00:29:50 But then I was at ShopRite yesterday,

00:29:53 and then Rich had texted me and was like,

00:29:55 "Hey, are you mad casual?"

00:29:57 He was just like, "Hey, are you free tomorrow?

00:30:00 "I think that you're gonna be on the Gary Vee podcast."

00:30:02 And I was like, "I feel like you're asking me

00:30:04 "this a little bit too casual for this too, but."

00:30:06 (laughing)

00:30:06 So, and then once I got the grist,

00:30:08 the whole night I was thinking,

00:30:10 you know, I feel as though I'm like,

00:30:13 I'm like, cool, right, people know me,

00:30:15 but I'm not like these people, right?

00:30:17 I was like looking at all you guys,

00:30:18 and I'm like, how did I get here?

00:30:21 Like, how am I sitting at this table with these people

00:30:23 that are like so much more qualified than me

00:30:25 and like so much more this?

00:30:26 So I don't know where I'm at, I don't.

00:30:28 This kind of fucked me up, 'cause I'm like,

00:30:29 I could, maybe I'm at a different,

00:30:31 I don't know how people view me at this point.

00:30:32 I'm just, I'm at a place where I wanna keep going.

00:30:36 - I don't even, like we're like qualified now.

00:30:38 I don't even know what the fuck that means anymore.

00:30:39 - Right, it doesn't.

00:30:40 - Like it's used like certain industries and jobs,

00:30:42 like a lawyer, a doctor, you have to like

00:30:44 literally get a qualification.

00:30:45 - Yeah, sports bragging, broadcasting,

00:30:46 you don't need to go to fucking Fordham

00:30:48 or Syracuse to crush.

00:30:49 - Oh man, I got my MBA.

00:30:51 - Yeah, who gives a fuck?

00:30:53 - Even when someone says, what do you do?

00:30:55 Like, what's your title?

00:30:56 Like now people do so many things.

00:30:57 - Everyone's a renaissance man and woman.

00:30:59 I love, by the way.

00:31:00 - But also it can be like, I'm 18 years old

00:31:04 and I made the right video and I popped off

00:31:06 and that's how I have my fans.

00:31:08 Or I'm 50 and I grinded for 25 years

00:31:12 and then I had my moment, but it's like,

00:31:13 I don't know if you can fill a room selling tickets

00:31:16 or get your streams on your music

00:31:18 or get people to watch your film,

00:31:21 whatever it is, then that's, I'm qualified.

00:31:24 You know what I mean?

00:31:25 There's no--

00:31:26 - Well, here's why.

00:31:27 The internet decentralized everything.

00:31:30 Qualified used to be systems.

00:31:33 Now qualified's the world.

00:31:35 Let me give you a little history lesson

00:31:36 on my business career.

00:31:37 When I started doing public speaking

00:31:39 and was cursing and not wearing a suit,

00:31:42 everyone told me, you'll never be a big speaker.

00:31:45 - Right, right, right.

00:31:46 - And I was like, I'm not capable

00:31:48 of doing anything-- - Fuck you.

00:31:49 (laughing)

00:31:50 - I got you, I'm sorry.

00:31:51 - By the way, in real talk, it wasn't like, fuck you.

00:31:54 It was definitely confidence.

00:31:55 I was like, I don't think so.

00:31:57 But it was like, if I don't, that's okay

00:32:00 'cause I don't even like talking that way.

00:32:03 Like, I won't like, this goes back to process.

00:32:06 Redefining success.

00:32:08 I wasn't gonna define my success based on my speaking fee

00:32:11 or how many people went to my talks.

00:32:13 I was gonna define it based on not even selling out.

00:32:16 I didn't view it as selling out.

00:32:18 I didn't view me wearing a suit

00:32:19 and not cursing as selling out.

00:32:21 It wasn't that cool.

00:32:23 It was, I'm not capable of enjoying it.

00:32:26 - Yeah, right.

00:32:27 - This.

00:32:28 This is my report card, right?

00:32:31 I'm not a dummy.

00:32:34 I'm not an idiot.

00:32:34 - Oh, it's your literal report card?

00:32:35 - It's my literal report card.

00:32:36 - Oh, wow.

00:32:37 You got an F in German?

00:32:38 - Twice.

00:32:39 - Why would you fucking take a German in the first place?

00:32:40 - I thought it was close to Russian.

00:32:41 I fucked up.

00:32:42 - What is German?

00:32:43 - What is real talk?

00:32:44 - I was in Germany.

00:32:45 - I went to high school.

00:32:46 They're like, "German's probably close to Russian.

00:32:48 "I'll crush it."

00:32:49 F, freshman year.

00:32:50 F, sophomore year.

00:32:52 Look, junior year, I had to take Spanish one.

00:32:54 I'm a junior in Spanish one.

00:32:55 There's like a fourth graders in there.

00:32:57 I'm like, "Oh, that's good."

00:32:57 - This was awful.

00:32:59 - What?

00:33:00 Junior year, I fucked up heavy.

00:33:01 - Oh, how did you pass?

00:33:03 - They just pushed my ass through.

00:33:04 Look at my class rank.

00:33:05 - They don't wanna see you anymore.

00:33:06 - Tell them my class rank.

00:33:07 - 243 out of what?

00:33:10 - Out of?

00:33:11 It's right there, right next to it.

00:33:12 - Please don't say 250.

00:33:13 - 254?

00:33:14 (laughing)

00:33:15 - Wow.

00:33:16 - Look what I got.

00:33:18 Tell them what I got in speech.

00:33:20 Back to how school doesn't map real life.

00:33:22 - Yeah, no.

00:33:23 - In speech class, giving speeches.

00:33:24 - Where the hell is speech?

00:33:25 - I think it was sophomore year, maybe 10th grade.

00:33:26 - I got a F in reading, I guess.

00:33:28 Oh, speech, D.

00:33:30 D as in dog.

00:33:31 - Meanwhile.

00:33:31 - Bro, I got a D in speech.

00:33:33 Everybody got an A in that class.

00:33:34 All you had to do was write a speech,

00:33:36 go in front of the class and give the speech,

00:33:38 and you got an A.

00:33:39 - Hey, my man got an A in phys ed.

00:33:41 - You got an A in gym class, baby.

00:33:43 - No, no, no, all four years.

00:33:44 By the way, that's all four years.

00:33:45 Please tell them the only A's I got in high school.

00:33:48 Start with ninth grade, KFC.

00:33:49 - Ninth grade, you got an A in phys ed.

00:33:52 - 10th grade?

00:33:54 - 10th grade, you got an A in phys ed.

00:33:58 - These are the only A's I got.

00:33:59 11th grade.

00:34:00 - The only A in phys ed, and senior year, phys ed.

00:34:04 You got two, health class.

00:34:06 You got an A in health class.

00:34:07 - Friends, I was what they called a gym class hero.

00:34:10 I wasn't good enough.

00:34:12 I crushed--

00:34:13 - All I could do was music.

00:34:14 - Guys, if high school gym was actual sports,

00:34:18 I'm a first ballot--

00:34:20 - What's your favorite gym class game ever?

00:34:21 - Floor hockey.

00:34:22 I used to kill motherfuckers.

00:34:23 - Dude, we used to curb the shit out of those--

00:34:28 Curb the fuck out of the stick

00:34:29 to the point that it was like a hole.

00:34:31 And you could, it was like high line.

00:34:33 - I was down.

00:34:33 - God, that's what you do.

00:34:34 - 'Cause that's where you take that frustration

00:34:35 out on someone.

00:34:36 - Nobody in the history of gym tried harder than me.

00:34:39 - Did you play mat ball?

00:34:40 - Did you do mat ball?

00:34:40 - No, we didn't.

00:34:41 - Mat ball is so fun.

00:34:42 - Mat ball is either like--

00:34:44 - Yeah, mat ball is the best.

00:34:44 - It's like a regional thing, though.

00:34:46 A lot of people don't even know mat ball.

00:34:48 - It's just kids playing mats.

00:34:49 - But it's like you gotta run around twice

00:34:51 and you're playing dodge ball.

00:34:53 We played pickleball in high school.

00:34:54 Pickleball's having its big moment now.

00:34:55 When I was in high school, my gym teachers,

00:34:58 we had rankings on the wall.

00:34:59 Gym teachers were playing kids.

00:35:01 Pickleball was--

00:35:02 - What about the mushroom?

00:35:03 - They were, the mushroom was--

00:35:04 - All right, let's get back to track.

00:35:05 Let's get back to track.

00:35:06 Let's get back to track.

00:35:07 Here we go.

00:35:08 Ready?

00:35:09 To help the audience.

00:35:10 You guys are running in circles of people

00:35:11 that are trying to achieve in different genres.

00:35:14 Let's talk about, we've talked a little bit about ourselves.

00:35:16 Let's talk about perspectives.

00:35:17 If I asked you, 'cause I wanna help a lot of the kids

00:35:19 that are listening, and really the parents,

00:35:21 everybody is now going to be famous to 15 people.

00:35:25 The world's changed.

00:35:26 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:35:27 - The word fame is just different.

00:35:28 - Every 15-year-old is trying to be on this podcast.

00:35:30 You know what I mean?

00:35:31 It's over.

00:35:32 The cat's out of the bag.

00:35:33 Nobody's behind the scenes.

00:35:34 My D-rock was not, nobody's fucking behind the scenes.

00:35:37 Dustin's fucking super cool.

00:35:39 All right, here we go.

00:35:40 (laughing)

00:35:41 For everybody who's listening.

00:35:42 - Frickin' C-Shaw.

00:35:43 - For everybody who's listening.

00:35:44 - Even Dustin's cool.

00:35:45 (laughing)

00:35:46 - For everyone who's listening,

00:35:48 what is the common, this is gonna really be fun.

00:35:51 We'll go in reverse order.

00:35:52 I'll give you a little time to think.

00:35:54 - Thanks, Gary.

00:35:55 - Reality, TV, sports, Hollywood now land.

00:35:59 You've been playing in a bunch of lands in your young life.

00:36:01 - Yeah.

00:36:02 - What's the cliche, very common mistake

00:36:06 you see of your contemporaries, the people you look up to,

00:36:10 the people that are on the come up,

00:36:11 the people that are in the trenches with you

00:36:12 at these parties, at these meetings, at these events,

00:36:15 what's the cliche mistake that you think

00:36:19 that your contemporaries, friends, acquaintances

00:36:21 are making that's leading them

00:36:22 to not be as happy as they can be?

00:36:25 - I feel like they're doing what everyone else is doing

00:36:29 or just trying to--

00:36:31 - School, right?

00:36:32 Meaning like, because everyone's doing this?

00:36:34 - Or it's like, this is,

00:36:35 or they're looking for the answers.

00:36:38 I was actually thinking about this the other day

00:36:40 because I've, especially in the last few years,

00:36:43 especially since reality television,

00:36:46 I really pivoted 'cause I didn't wanna be in a box

00:36:49 that everyone else in that world is.

00:36:51 And I kinda went against the grain,

00:36:53 but I feel like it's safe to be with a crowd.

00:36:56 And I feel like we gravitate towards that

00:36:58 because we wanna have people around us, but--

00:37:02 - Is it that we want people around us

00:37:04 or is that we don't wanna stand out to be different

00:37:07 to deal with the ramifications of not being,

00:37:10 or more importantly, the ramifications of being seen?

00:37:12 - Yeah, I think people are afraid to be seen, judged.

00:37:16 And when you're out there, again,

00:37:18 I say the greatest thing for me that happened

00:37:20 is I was judged my whole life.

00:37:23 And once I finally got hired--

00:37:24 - Yeah, it was easier for you.

00:37:25 You were built for it.

00:37:25 - Yeah, you were prepped for it.

00:37:26 - By the time you went into reality TV world,

00:37:28 between sports and between being the only black kid

00:37:30 in South Dakota at school your whole life,

00:37:32 you were used to being judged.

00:37:33 - Yeah, I'm like, this was an experience,

00:37:35 but I was like, I'm not cut from that cloth.

00:37:37 That's not my world.

00:37:39 But now I'm building everything I've ever wanted to.

00:37:43 And I'm doing this without as much guidance

00:37:47 as you would think, but I am certain

00:37:48 that I'm gonna get there.

00:37:49 And I've got amazing people around me

00:37:51 who I trust through the moon.

00:37:53 And they're leaders in the industry.

00:37:56 - Do you feel like, back to being complete,

00:37:57 back to the conversation we're having,

00:37:59 do you feel like even if everything you try to make

00:38:03 in film storytelling shows does not have commercial success

00:38:06 that you'll deem it a win, or you're not completely sure?

00:38:11 - Without question, it's a win.

00:38:12 - Yeah, you're in the process.

00:38:13 I love it.

00:38:14 I'm gonna skip for a second.

00:38:15 I apologize.

00:38:16 But I fucking want that for everyone.

00:38:18 It makes me so happy for you, you can't imagine.

00:38:21 - Yeah, this is exactly--

00:38:22 - KC, your world.

00:38:23 You've been in the modern media world

00:38:25 at the highest levels.

00:38:26 So there's been all the other things that have come up

00:38:29 that have looked the part of y'all in different genres.

00:38:33 You've been in a lot of events.

00:38:35 What are you seeing?

00:38:36 - I think it's almost, there's no correct answer,

00:38:39 but I would say--

00:38:39 - No, there's no correct.

00:38:40 - But I think there almost is, man,

00:38:41 in the sense of comparison, dude.

00:38:44 - Comparison.

00:38:44 - What is it, comparison?

00:38:45 Is that Thief of Joy is the line, right?

00:38:46 Like, to me, I watched it, I did it myself

00:38:50 'cause it was like, I gotta make my blog this good

00:38:54 and I did that and then I added a podcast

00:38:56 and I gotta make my podcast that good

00:38:57 and then I gotta make my video series that good.

00:38:59 And every time I, like if you were to tell me

00:39:02 five years ago, your podcast was gonna be this successful,

00:39:07 I would be like, oh, I would be putting my feet up

00:39:10 being like, I'm done, I did it.

00:39:12 - I'm chillin'.

00:39:12 - Like, I'm that successful, that's all I ever wanted.

00:39:15 And it's like that goal, in a good way,

00:39:18 it's good to be driven, but also it's like

00:39:19 you're just constantly comparing to who's next

00:39:21 and what's next and the amount of people I think,

00:39:24 especially at Barstool, it's like,

00:39:26 you're next to Dave Portnoy, pardon my take,

00:39:29 Alex Cooper, people who are like,

00:39:31 you can't reach their level if you were to

00:39:34 fucking hit the lottery tomorrow, you know what I mean?

00:39:36 - Or you might.

00:39:37 - You might, but just sitting there comparing yourself

00:39:41 to them is not gonna get you anywhere.

00:39:42 - And why didn't you compare yourself to them

00:39:44 long before they were them?

00:39:46 See, this is what I'm trying to tell all my friends.

00:39:48 I'm like, fuck it, you wanna compare?

00:39:49 Why don't you compare yourself?

00:39:51 Do you know how many, I mean, I did it already in this show,

00:39:53 do you know how many times I fucking pound,

00:39:55 I worked in a fucking liquor store at 34

00:39:58 'cause all these fucking 27 year olds are like,

00:40:01 why am I not a fucking trillionaire?

00:40:03 I'm like, 'cause you're fucking 27.

00:40:05 - Right.

00:40:05 - And they get so down.

00:40:06 - You have six seconds to play this fucking game.

00:40:08 - The amount of people, dude, the amount of people

00:40:09 who come through Barstool, email, come through,

00:40:12 call in and they say like, I've got what it takes,

00:40:15 I wanna do it, I'm gonna work so hard at it,

00:40:17 I wanna be like you, and we're like, cool, do it.

00:40:19 Write a blog, start a podcast.

00:40:21 - They don't.

00:40:22 - They give up in a fucking, two days, dude.

00:40:24 Like, two days, I'm like, do this for four years straight

00:40:28 with no feedback, no money, no nothing,

00:40:30 and then we can start talking.

00:40:32 - People are like, I wanna be famous,

00:40:33 I wanna live a 1% life, I'm like, eat shit for a decade.

00:40:36 - Yeah.

00:40:37 - And they're like, what?

00:40:38 I'm like, you wanna live a 1% life?

00:40:39 - You have to like it.

00:40:40 Like, when I, I'm trying to help people now at Barstool,

00:40:43 more like produce, and it's like,

00:40:45 if it doesn't make money right away,

00:40:47 get followers right away, get views right away.

00:40:49 Like, when I was starting the podcast,

00:40:51 I never looked at, I still don't look at the downloads.

00:40:54 - Yeah.

00:40:55 - I never looked at the page views.

00:40:55 I never looked at, it was just 'cause I liked doing it.

00:40:58 - Real quick, we're gonna interject for a second.

00:41:01 Big shout out to MJS3169, who says,

00:41:04 "That crooked picture frame is making me lose my mind."

00:41:07 (laughing)

00:41:08 - Oh, the Uber, what is that?

00:41:10 - Oh, read that, read it, KFC, read what that frame says.

00:41:14 - I wanna say thank you.

00:41:15 - Uber.

00:41:16 - I'll get a microphone.

00:41:17 - Here we go.

00:41:20 - This is from James at Uber.

00:41:21 "Hey, AJ, I wanted to say thank you

00:41:22 "for being our first ever Uber rider in New York.

00:41:24 "How was your experience?"

00:41:25 - One more time, let's start that from the top.

00:41:26 - James at Uber to AJ Parashuk.

00:41:28 "Hey, AJ, I wanted to say thanks

00:41:30 "for being our first ever Uber driver in New York.

00:41:33 "How was your experience?"

00:41:34 - Period, let's stop.

00:41:35 - Crazy.

00:41:36 - Talk about making tons of mistakes in a career.

00:41:39 Travis, CEO of Uber, is in my office in New York,

00:41:41 early days of Vayner, we're early investors in Uber.

00:41:44 He's like, "Hey, we're about to open New York.

00:41:45 "Do you wanna go downstairs and do the first test run?"

00:41:47 I'm like, "I'm busy, I'm in this meeting."

00:41:49 - You dickhead.

00:41:50 - I said, "AJ, do me a favor, go take this Uber."

00:41:52 So I said, "My brother, do you guys understand

00:41:55 "how often I would tell this fucking story?"

00:41:57 My brother AJ took the first Uber in New York City.

00:42:02 Do you know how fucking fun fact that is?

00:42:05 Do you know when you have a meeting or something,

00:42:07 people are like, "Hey, what's a fun fact?"

00:42:08 You're like, "Yeah, I took the first Uber in New York."

00:42:10 What the fuck outta here, that's so epic.

00:42:12 - It was a base fare of seven bucks,

00:42:14 distance was $6.76.

00:42:17 - What day was that email sent?

00:42:19 - April 8th, 2011.

00:42:20 - Wow, this goes back to the theme of everything.

00:42:23 Shit takes a long time.

00:42:25 Shit takes a long time.

00:42:27 I don't understand.

00:42:28 You know what I mean?

00:42:29 Shit takes a long time.

00:42:31 All right, let's all open a pack.

00:42:34 - Yeah, why did you have me open this?

00:42:36 - Yeah, I had you open a mini.

00:42:37 These were in vending machines.

00:42:38 I just wanted to see if you liked it.

00:42:39 Remember these things when you were little,

00:42:40 like for 50 cents?

00:42:41 - He's freaking me out a little bit, I'm not gonna lie.

00:42:45 - Yeah, the comparison thing's so real, brother.

00:42:48 - Bro, you know, I've been saying,

00:42:49 I use the analogy I've been using is a swimming pool.

00:42:54 I feel like people wanna get a swimming,

00:42:55 like they want a swimming pool, right?

00:42:57 - Oh, this is for you.

00:42:58 - They think it's a-- - Oh no, it's for you.

00:42:59 Curious?

00:43:00 - Yeah. - Curious Green.

00:43:02 - Hell yeah. - I feel like trading cards.

00:43:04 - And then you get your swimming pool

00:43:04 and you never fucking swim in your swimming pool.

00:43:06 You know what I mean?

00:43:07 Like you think, "I wanna buy this house."

00:43:08 - 100%.

00:43:09 - And it's like getting the pool, you wanted the pool,

00:43:11 and now you got it and you're not swimming in the pool.

00:43:12 - Everybody wants a big house

00:43:14 and they don't use 85% of the rooms.

00:43:15 - Totally, totally. - Yeah.

00:43:17 - And then-- - What's your favorite one

00:43:20 of the bunch?

00:43:20 - Hot shit hornet. - Bro, I can't even.

00:43:24 (laughing)

00:43:26 - I don't even know. - Did you come up

00:43:27 with all these?

00:43:28 - I drew every one of them, see that Jacko up there?

00:43:31 - Did you come up with the names?

00:43:32 - Everything, printed this whole world.

00:43:34 - What is this alien one?

00:43:35 - Adaptable alien.

00:43:36 - Impeccable-- - Oh, impeccable insernate.

00:43:39 That's Russian for alien.

00:43:41 - Got it, I was gonna say, this is not a real animal,

00:43:43 I know that much. - No, it's an alien.

00:43:44 - I can't believe that.

00:43:45 - How many, like-- - There's 280 V-Friends.

00:43:49 - You came up with all of them?

00:43:51 - Yeah, yep, I always was, I was super affected

00:43:54 by He-Man, Transformers, I'm 48,

00:43:57 so I grew up in the 80s when all that shit, Care Bears,

00:44:01 all that shit that rebooted for all of you,

00:44:03 I was there when it actually first popped off.

00:44:05 You know, and so, yeah, it's pretty cool.

00:44:08 Something I've always really, really, really wanted to do,

00:44:11 I wanted to buy an old brand.

00:44:14 So for the last 15 years, I thought I was gonna buy

00:44:16 Scooby-Doo, or buy the Smurfs, buy the IP

00:44:19 and then refurbish it, but then when I saw

00:44:22 the blockchain NFT thing, I'm like,

00:44:23 you know what, I'm gonna do this shit myself.

00:44:24 - Why don't you do both?

00:44:26 - I may. - 'Cause I think there's

00:44:27 a smash hit there, if you bring back--

00:44:29 - Listen, if I, over the next 30 years,

00:44:31 build V-Friends the way I hope to,

00:44:33 then I become like a Disney, Disney built,

00:44:35 and then they bought Lucas, Star Wars,

00:44:38 and they bought Marvel.

00:44:39 So look, I'm 48, in 20 years, if I do this proper,

00:44:43 and I'm 68, and this brand's really established,

00:44:45 building an IP holding company and going out

00:44:47 and buying a Nickelodeon IP or Scooby-Doo

00:44:51 will be really cool, but right now,

00:44:52 I've literally so much work to do to build this up.

00:44:55 But I really believe in it.

00:44:57 If you look at, back to the theme of this,

00:45:00 and the theme of my life and why I built these characters

00:45:02 and why this podcast, I think, will work

00:45:05 is these themes of these characters

00:45:07 or what we're talking about, it's real life.

00:45:09 And for me, if I can teach people at five, six, seven, eight

00:45:13 how to build a character,

00:45:14 I think I can teach them how to build a character.

00:45:15 And I think that's what I'm gonna do.

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00:47:17 I'm gonna teach them how to build a character.

00:47:19 I'm gonna teach them how to build a character.

00:47:20 I'm gonna teach them how to build a character.

00:47:25 I'm gonna teach them how to build a character.

00:47:27 I'm gonna teach them how to build a character.

00:47:29 I'm gonna teach them how to build a character.

00:47:31 I'm gonna teach them how to build a character.

00:47:33 I'm gonna teach them how to build a character.

00:47:35 I'm gonna teach them how to build a character.

00:47:37 I'm gonna teach them how to build a character.

00:47:39 I'm gonna teach them how to build a character.

00:47:41 I'm gonna teach them how to build a character.

00:47:43 I'm gonna teach them how to build a character.

00:47:45 I'm gonna teach them how to build a character.

00:47:47 I'm gonna teach them how to build a character.

00:47:49 - It's cool to me of like, when I'm doing this,

00:47:53 some of the very great opportunities,

00:47:55 some of the people I've talked to,

00:47:57 I'm like, I didn't even really try to do this,

00:48:00 plan to do this.

00:48:02 I am really just a regular ass dude.

00:48:05 And the beauty of the world is like that's,

00:48:08 people like me get to do that now.

00:48:10 But I still think we, as a society,

00:48:12 that's still a relatively new thing.

00:48:13 You used to have to be trained or famous

00:48:15 or look a certain way or act a certain way.

00:48:17 - That first book in the corner there I wrote in 2009,

00:48:19 Crush It, when I wrote that and said this was gonna happen,

00:48:22 I got shit on.

00:48:23 - Right, no, you gotta be somebody, right?

00:48:25 - But I knew YouTube and Twitter were gonna be the foundation.

00:48:27 - We're gonna make the normal people.

00:48:28 - I knew it, I knew it.

00:48:29 - I feel like I'm one of those first ones where I'm like,

00:48:31 but so I'm constantly like, I don't know, man.

00:48:34 I don't have the answers.

00:48:35 I don't know the plan.

00:48:36 I'm just fucking regular dude.

00:48:38 - But listen, first of all, back to me being a fan of yours,

00:48:41 you know what you talk about.

00:48:43 You know your craft experience.

00:48:44 - I don't ever, yeah, I stay in my zone.

00:48:46 - That's exactly right.

00:48:47 - I know what I know.

00:48:48 - Yeah, you know what you know.

00:48:49 - And I know what I don't know.

00:48:50 - You're likable because you have that relationship with yourself.

00:48:53 - I actually, I don't think people think I'm likable.

00:48:55 - I don't believe that at all.

00:48:57 I understand where you're going because you play sports.

00:49:00 People, Chris Russo is incredibly likable and infuriated.

00:49:04 - Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:05 - And you've got a little bit of that in you.

00:49:06 - Right, for sure, for sure.

00:49:07 - Because that's your, not your shtick,

00:49:08 it's your communication style in that format.

00:49:10 I love what you said.

00:49:11 I'm a communicator, me too.

00:49:13 But I'm a different communicator to my best friend

00:49:15 and family than I am as Gary Vee,

00:49:17 than I am as Gary Vaynerchuk, CEO.

00:49:19 Even the CEO of Gary Vaynerchuk for Vee Friends

00:49:21 is a different communicator than Gary Vaynerchuk,

00:49:23 the CEO of VaynerX.

00:49:24 There's different versions of it.

00:49:26 I think the genre you're in is,

00:49:29 yes, do I think people are like,

00:49:31 "Fuck, of course."

00:49:32 But sports talk is polarizing.

00:49:34 - Yes.

00:49:35 - As long as you're genuine and real about it.

00:49:37 - I think you, the human, is like, "Ugh."

00:49:39 - Yes, yes, I would agree with that.

00:49:41 Accountability is something I don't shy away from.

00:49:44 If anything, I look forward to it.

00:49:46 - Do you think you overextend at times

00:49:48 and try to take it on when it's not even yours?

00:49:50 - I think, I don't beat myself up over it

00:49:54 because if my integrity is right, then--

00:49:57 - If you're good with you, then you're good.

00:49:59 - Yeah, because I know I make the right prudent choice.

00:50:01 But I do probably try to cover up

00:50:03 for other people's mistakes too many times.

00:50:05 - Superhero time.

00:50:06 - If I could just shout out P-P-W-B-H-L-N

00:50:09 that said nice things about me.

00:50:11 Regular ass dude who works hard.

00:50:13 - No, no, no, Ben's--

00:50:14 - But in the next one right below,

00:50:16 KFC not likable, fuck you.

00:50:18 - Ben's 1173, KFC not likable, I like that guy.

00:50:21 All right, final part of the show, question time.

00:50:24 This is your time to go selfish.

00:50:26 Like really, I got a lot of love for you all.

00:50:28 Obviously I know you all from afar in different ways,

00:50:31 a little bit closer with KFC than you two,

00:50:33 but we're really excited here in my world.

00:50:36 I'm in this great place where I'm obsessed

00:50:39 with putting people on.

00:50:41 I've always been that guy.

00:50:42 That's why I've always talked about the people

00:50:44 behind my scenes.

00:50:45 The first wine show I did, Eric Kastner

00:50:47 and then Chris Mott, M-O-T-T, was my camera guy.

00:50:50 It was so basic, no lighting, no audio, no nothing.

00:50:53 And they used to be like, Mott, link it up.

00:50:55 People thought I was saying Ma.

00:50:58 People were like, it's so in the comments.

00:51:00 - He's got his mom here.

00:51:01 - It's so cool, your mom feels,

00:51:03 you're like, no, no, Mott.

00:51:04 But like D-Rock, obviously I don't have to tell that story.

00:51:06 A lot of people know it.

00:51:07 I love putting people on.

00:51:09 And so I really hope VaynerNation,

00:51:11 please make sure you dig into all of the,

00:51:13 obviously in our social content,

00:51:14 we'll link all these three amazing people up,

00:51:16 get to know them, get on their journey.

00:51:18 But back to wrapping it up in the format

00:51:20 I want to do on this show.

00:51:21 Any question I can answer about any single thing

00:51:23 could be fun, it could be detailed,

00:51:25 it could be about your career,

00:51:26 it could be a funny thing, like what do you got?

00:51:28 What are you thinking about that might be something

00:51:30 I might be able to help with?

00:51:32 - I would say, so I feel like you are somebody

00:51:36 in life and in the specter of people on the internet

00:51:40 that I feel like you did a lot of things

00:51:42 that have never been done before.

00:51:44 Meaning you didn't have an example,

00:51:46 you didn't have a roadmap.

00:51:47 - This is why I like him,

00:51:48 because I think he touched on it.

00:51:50 I think he's done similar stuff.

00:51:51 I've done a lot of it for a long time.

00:51:53 So I understand it and I appreciate that,

00:51:56 I do like that, so go ahead.

00:51:57 - Yeah, so what would you say the most valuable thing

00:52:00 that you did in that journey is and why?

00:52:04 Like that got you there, that you think is valuable.

00:52:06 - I think the number one word that I'm obsessed with

00:52:09 that none of you fuck with is maybe.

00:52:12 - I just heard something about that,

00:52:14 so that's really funny that you said that.

00:52:15 - Like just maybe?

00:52:16 - No, maybe.

00:52:17 - No, like the word maybe, like maybe this will work out.

00:52:18 - Maybe.

00:52:19 - Oh, okay.

00:52:20 - My part in life is maybe,

00:52:21 and y'all's word is yes or no, predominantly no.

00:52:25 Like I saw Casey Neistat and all those early vloggers

00:52:30 who would do the camera by themselves.

00:52:31 I was like, I wanna do that shit,

00:52:33 I don't know how to do that shit.

00:52:34 So I'm like, maybe I'll have a guy follow me 24/7.

00:52:37 I wasn't unaware that everyone was gonna immediately think

00:52:41 I'm the douchiest person on human earth

00:52:43 because unlike a TV production following a reality star,

00:52:46 which we finally accepted 10 years in,

00:52:49 I was doing it as like a regular dude.

00:52:52 - Yeah, right.

00:52:53 - Why the fuck does this guy have a camera?

00:52:55 - Yeah, I mean like literally my first meeting

00:52:57 at Barstool with Erica, like a man walked in

00:52:59 and was filming, she's like, what are you doing?

00:53:00 I'm like, I film everything.

00:53:01 She's like, what the fuck are you talking about?

00:53:02 I'm like, I film everything.

00:53:04 This is how I vlog.

00:53:05 But now it is like standard.

00:53:07 - Yeah, it's the norm.

00:53:09 - Like even David Rock, D-Rock, big shout out,

00:53:11 D-Rock was now going on and building his universe,

00:53:13 was with me for a decade.

00:53:14 That became the term that people called

00:53:16 people that filmed people.

00:53:17 I need a D-Rock.

00:53:18 - D-Rock, yeah.

00:53:19 - Oh, wow.

00:53:20 - Like it became that crazy.

00:53:21 So I'm always about maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe,

00:53:25 maybe I should buy a house on Mars.

00:53:27 Maybe I should.

00:53:28 - So you just go 100% on a meeting.

00:53:30 - AI right now, everyone's like,

00:53:31 oh, that shit's gonna fuck us up,

00:53:32 the robots are gonna kill us,

00:53:33 fuck that shit, it's gonna make music.

00:53:34 I'm like, no, no, maybe.

00:53:36 Because what maybe does, back to Curious Crane,

00:53:39 is maybe makes you work.

00:53:41 The reason people say no is if you say no,

00:53:44 you don't have to do it.

00:53:46 Now I got you, motherfuckers.

00:53:48 Now you heard.

00:53:49 No is easy because no allows you not to do.

00:53:53 All of you know, I know this one's gonna land

00:53:55 for all of you.

00:53:56 All of you heard me in 2017, 18 saying,

00:53:59 TikTok, TikTok, TikTok, TikTok.

00:54:01 And all of you said, girls that dance,

00:54:03 nobody gives a fuck.

00:54:04 - Musically, musically, music management.

00:54:05 - That's right, 'cause I was saying music.

00:54:06 - Before, TikTok.

00:54:07 - And then, so, for me, it's maybe,

00:54:11 and I hope everybody gets inspired.

00:54:13 I wish I made a maybe character.

00:54:14 I do think long term there will be new fee friends.

00:54:16 I've got so many, I don't need to do it.

00:54:18 - A maybe moose.

00:54:19 - Maybe magpie.

00:54:20 You know what a magpie is?

00:54:21 - No.

00:54:22 - It's a bird, it's fucking fresh.

00:54:23 We have a magpie.

00:54:24 Anyway, KC, question.

00:54:25 - These are real animals?

00:54:27 - Open one more pack.

00:54:28 Open a pack.

00:54:29 Open a pack.

00:54:30 - National Geographic, what you been watching?

00:54:31 - Nobody's opened a good one, let's get a rare one.

00:54:33 KC, you can do two things at once.

00:54:35 - Oh, I got a shiny one.

00:54:36 What do I got here?

00:54:37 I got Insightful Irish Terrier.

00:54:39 - You like Irish Terriers?

00:54:40 Oh, a hit, a rare.

00:54:41 - Yeah.

00:54:42 - Oh, it's holographic?

00:54:43 - Let's go, yeah.

00:54:44 - Got a 500.

00:54:45 - I guess I'm at a spot with Barstool,

00:54:48 it's a very interesting spot of,

00:54:50 it's been a very tumultuous ride the last year.

00:54:53 We're kind of in a transitional thing.

00:54:55 - Sold, back, back, this, that, game.

00:54:57 - Yeah, yeah, and it's like we were gambling,

00:55:00 but I didn't gamble, now gambling's out of the picture.

00:55:03 Sometimes I feel like I'm like, am I not,

00:55:06 I've been there for 15 years, almost 15 years, right?

00:55:09 - What a ride.

00:55:10 - But I'm like, and part of me,

00:55:11 the way this is set up right now,

00:55:13 is kind of like, we could just do this forever.

00:55:15 - And you're worried about complacency?

00:55:17 - Kind of.

00:55:18 - Yeah, it's a real question.

00:55:19 - Should I be like, I'm gonna go do my version

00:55:22 of Portnoy's thing, like thank you,

00:55:24 take the equity, great time, fuck it, I'm out.

00:55:26 - Why wouldn't you?

00:55:28 - I don't know, it's like--

00:55:29 - Is it loyalty, is it fear?

00:55:31 - Yeah, all that, loyalty, fear, it's easy.

00:55:34 Like the first 15 years were hard,

00:55:36 and it's a very strange spot, like I'm done,

00:55:39 now I'm gonna do it again,

00:55:41 and I'm not very money driven,

00:55:43 like I got this money recently,

00:55:44 I was very blessed to have,

00:55:45 and my life has not changed much one way or the other,

00:55:48 so I'm like, it's not really about more money.

00:55:50 - Can I tell you something really good here?

00:55:52 I like this one.

00:55:53 The answer is, and this is a weird one,

00:55:57 it doesn't matter until the day these feelings

00:56:02 hit a tipping point in either direction.

00:56:04 - Right, and then you know, right, it just happens.

00:56:06 - Too many people get caught up in the ideology

00:56:09 of the process versus the actuality of the process.

00:56:11 Do you know why it was bad at school?

00:56:12 'Cause it wasn't real to life.

00:56:14 And at 10 years old, I'm like, this isn't real.

00:56:16 Now I have no idea how the fuck that happened.

00:56:18 No, really, I really don't know,

00:56:20 but I'm telling you real talk to the U3,

00:56:22 I'm listening, I just knew.

00:56:24 And I was like, if that's true, and I fully believe it,

00:56:27 not on some, I was getting good grades at that point.

00:56:29 I was just like, this isn't real.

00:56:31 And so like, you, in your own mind,

00:56:35 it's actually not real until it's so in your stomach

00:56:38 that you have to do one or the other.

00:56:40 - So I'll just hit that breaking point

00:56:42 or that fork in the road.

00:56:43 - I think people would rather think about everything

00:56:45 versus wait for the tipping point.

00:56:47 - So it's just a waiting game.

00:56:48 - Yeah, and then watch this.

00:56:50 So now instead of stressing it of what you should do,

00:56:53 or what am I feeling,

00:56:54 or all these profound fucking games we play with each other,

00:56:58 how about you just enjoy the living shit out of it,

00:57:01 and if you just wake up at six o'clock in the morning one day

00:57:03 and be like, I'm done, then you're done.

00:57:05 We need to take weight off our shoulders.

00:57:08 - Bro.

00:57:09 - Tell me how to do it.

00:57:10 How do you do it?

00:57:11 - The way to do it is to start to take out

00:57:14 the noise from the world.

00:57:15 The world is making everything complicated.

00:57:17 There's a lot of great that's happened.

00:57:19 Us jokers can have platforms.

00:57:21 We can be live on Twitch and hang out

00:57:22 with all these cool people, Ben's 1173.

00:57:25 We can do all this.

00:57:26 I like Ben's 'cause he razzed you.

00:57:28 But I think we just need to simplify.

00:57:31 - Right.

00:57:32 - I got good news for you,

00:57:33 'cause it's how it's gonna happen regardless.

00:57:35 Regardless of how many sleepless nights or debates

00:57:37 or talking with mentors you have.

00:57:39 One day you're gonna wake up and it's there,

00:57:41 or one day you won't.

00:57:43 The reason you're not gone yet is it hasn't happened.

00:57:45 So why not instead of that and stressing it,

00:57:48 why not just enjoy it?

00:57:49 - Swim in the pool.

00:57:50 - Swim in the pool.

00:57:51 And then if you fucking wanna sell the house with the pool,

00:57:54 sell the fucking house with the pool.

00:57:55 Got it?

00:57:56 - Cool.

00:57:57 - My man?

00:57:58 - I think for me the biggest thing right now

00:58:02 is kind of patience.

00:58:04 I'm working on some big projects that are long builds

00:58:07 with The Strike, with The Economy,

00:58:09 but three big docu-series.

00:58:11 And I see 'em so clearly.

00:58:13 This is my calling.

00:58:15 These are gonna happen.

00:58:16 I know that.

00:58:17 - Good for you.

00:58:18 - But that process of just patience,

00:58:20 especially when there's so many other things

00:58:22 I can't control and I like to execute quick.

00:58:25 It's like I'm just curious how you practice patience.

00:58:30 - The question becomes why.

00:58:33 In a world where you're so good at managing judgment,

00:58:36 I just worry that this is the blind spot.

00:58:39 In the same way that I didn't see that candor

00:58:40 was fucking me up,

00:58:41 because I always wanted to keep it positive,

00:58:43 I wasn't able to tell people shit that was fucked up

00:58:45 and that actually led to the fucked up.

00:58:46 I didn't see it.

00:58:48 For you, you might not see the place

00:58:50 where judgment does matter.

00:58:52 Because for me, why would you be impatient?

00:58:56 Play checkers with me on this.

00:58:59 It might even be chess, 'cause it's fun.

00:59:01 Okay, you got these longer projects.

00:59:03 I get instant gratification, I get speed of the world,

00:59:06 but if you're so pumped that this is the thing you're doing,

00:59:09 and it sounds like you are,

00:59:11 what's the prob?

00:59:13 - I guess it's probably more just anxious

00:59:16 because I want this to happen and I believe in it.

00:59:19 - And you're not in control of it happening.

00:59:21 Somebody has to buy it.

00:59:22 - It's a control thing.

00:59:23 - Netflix may not buy it.

00:59:24 Hulay may not buy it, right?

00:59:25 - Yeah, Q1, Q2, we're pitching these.

00:59:28 - But you're smart enough to know

00:59:29 and educated enough to know that it may not.

00:59:31 - Exactly.

00:59:32 - The question becomes for you specifically is

00:59:35 do you want it because it becomes something

00:59:37 you can point to that starts to move you away

00:59:39 from something that you don't want to define you?

00:59:42 - I think there's, I'm not doing it

00:59:46 because I don't want to be defined in that way.

00:59:48 - Great, beautiful.

00:59:49 Then it really just becomes like what?

00:59:53 Like there's a million scenarios.

00:59:55 I'd love it to be commercially successful

00:59:57 so I can get money to do X.

00:59:59 I'm so damn curious if I'm good at it,

01:00:02 I'd actually like it to come out

01:00:04 to see if it fails or flops just to win or lose.

01:00:07 There's a million things that it could be.

01:00:09 - Yeah, for me, I believe in the stories

01:00:12 and I just, I think they need to be told.

01:00:16 - Well then that gets weird

01:00:18 because if you believe in the stories

01:00:19 and they need to be told,

01:00:20 you wouldn't be doing it this way

01:00:22 because you don't have as much control this way

01:00:24 than you do in the modern media world.

01:00:26 - Why don't you just put out yourself, sorry.

01:00:28 - That's exactly where I'm going.

01:00:29 - Well I mean I have full creative direction

01:00:31 and control on these projects.

01:00:33 - But you're putting that format potentially on a pedestal

01:00:36 because if you really care about

01:00:38 how these stories need to be told,

01:00:40 then there's a very different way about going about it.

01:00:43 - What's the best way?

01:00:44 - Social and long form video.

01:00:46 Like you could do it constantly at scale

01:00:48 until it finally got told.

01:00:50 You can literally tell the same story

01:00:51 8,700 different ways on YouTube and social

01:00:54 until it was finally told.

01:00:56 Where nobody controls your distribution.

01:00:59 But this distribution has a different level of pedestal.

01:01:02 But that's not the purity of wanting the story told.

01:01:05 You want the story told in a specific way.

01:01:08 - Well these are projects that are,

01:01:11 so one's we're tracking Special Olympics athletes

01:01:14 building up to the World Games.

01:01:15 I'm a global ambassador for the organization.

01:01:17 My sister has ID.

01:01:19 I just feel people haven't told the truthful,

01:01:22 like the real story.

01:01:24 - But you don't need to do that in a classic production lens.

01:01:26 - No, no, no.

01:01:27 - Right?

01:01:28 Unless you're using it as the bank.

01:01:30 Which in that case you could have went to any brand

01:01:33 like Dr. Gamble or Comcast.

01:01:35 These are like the fun, complicated, tough questions

01:01:38 I always love to ask myself.

01:01:39 Why, why, why, why?

01:01:41 You know?

01:01:42 - Yeah.

01:01:43 - 'Cause the why has the answer to the impatience.

01:01:46 - Yeah, and I'm going at it at every single angle.

01:01:49 So like all those things, there's no,

01:01:51 like that's unturned.

01:01:53 - Friends.

01:01:54 - Amen.

01:01:55 - Thank you.

01:01:56 - It was an honor.

01:01:57 - Thank you for being on this first show.

01:01:58 - Solid.

01:01:59 - We've done something similar to this in the past,

01:02:01 as you know, but this is the name of it.

01:02:04 This is the concept.

01:02:05 I hope that you guys, I don't know the three of you,

01:02:08 your relationships with each other,

01:02:09 but I hope if you were strangers

01:02:11 that at least this starts your acquaintances.

01:02:13 And I hope those acquaintances become friendships.

01:02:15 And man, when friends become family,

01:02:17 there's nothing fucking better on earth.

01:02:19 So thanks for listening everybody.

01:02:20 Twitch, thank you for being a part of this journey.

01:02:22 You are part of this journey.

01:02:23 - Shout out Twitch.

01:02:24 - I've decided to use Twitch exclusively just,

01:02:27 even though I know I could stream this everywhere else,

01:02:29 it's been a platform that I haven't leaned fully into.

01:02:32 So I want to use it exclusively.

01:02:33 So if everybody's listening to this podcast,

01:02:35 if you want to catch the podcast

01:02:36 while it's happening in the future,

01:02:37 that will always be on Twitch.

01:02:38 Download a set.

01:02:39 Am I Gary Vee on Twitch as well?

01:02:41 Beautiful, I keep it consistent.

01:02:42 - Don't you get sick of it ever?

01:02:43 - Never.

01:02:44 I fucking love all of it.

01:02:45 - Like you want another platform next year

01:02:47 and next year and next year.

01:02:48 - I want them all, yes.

01:02:49 I can't wait to fucking crush the metaverse.

01:02:50 - I'm so exhausted, dude.

01:02:51 I keep saying I can't wait until I die.

01:02:52 - I'm losing more.

01:02:53 - Just so I don't have to log on

01:02:54 to another fucking platform.

01:02:55 - I can't wait to wake up tomorrow

01:02:56 and I'm gonna get on a new app

01:02:57 that's gonna be the Nick TikTok.

01:02:58 It's called Ding Dong.

01:02:59 And I'm like, guys, you gotta get on Ding Dong.

01:03:00 And if you're not on fucking Ding Dong,

01:03:01 you're on Reddit.

01:03:02 I fucking love it.

01:03:03 Everybody, thank you for being on.

01:03:04 - Thank you.

01:03:05 - Thank you.

01:03:06 - Thank you.

01:03:07 - We'll see you next time.

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