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Transcript

00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum and good evening, I am Meher Bukhari.

00:02 Today, two major decisions regarding the former Prime Minister have been brought forward.

00:06 Mian Nawaz Sharif was acquitted of the Evanfield Reference five years and four months later.

00:10 And Chairman Tariq Insa was dismissed from his post.

00:13 On the same day, two major news outlets have also shaken the political landscape of the future.

00:18 On 6 July 2018, the Islamic Court of Justice had sentenced Mian Nawaz Sharif to 10 years and 80 lakh British Pounds in the Evanfield Corruption Reference.

00:27 During the hearing of the appeals against Mian Nawaz Sharif, the Islamic Court of Justice has declared Mian Nawaz Sharif's sentence as a false one and acquitted him.

00:36 Mian Nawaz Sharif was presented before two senior division benches including Chief Justice Amir Farooq and Justice Mia Gul Hasan Aurangzeb.

00:44 Mian Nawaz Sharif's deputy, Azam Nazeer Tarar and Amjad Parvez, gave evidence and said that the court had acquitted Mian Nawaz Sharif of Section 9A in the Evanfield Reference.

00:53 In this case, only Section 9A5 is left which is more related to the charges than the income.

00:58 Amjad Parvez read Section 9A5 of the NAAB Ordinance in front of the court and said that this claim has to be proved by some facts under this section.

01:07 This section requires that the accused be proved to be a public office holder, the accused be proved to be anonymous, and that the accused's sources of income should not be compared to the accused's sources.

01:18 Mian Nawaz Sharif's deputy said that the anonymous word has been praised in the NAAB Ordinance.

01:23 Justice Mia Gul Hasan Aurangzeb commented that I think the punishment was also based on this.

01:29 Amjad Parvez raised the point that the investigative agency has to investigate the sources of income when acquiring the sources.

01:36 The sources of income has to be compared to the sources of income.

01:41 Mian Nawaz Sharif's lawyer, while gathering all the details of the sources, the evidence, and the date, said that this case is such that its sources have not been proven.

01:51 The Chief Justice raised the question that these sources have come at the same time or separately.

01:56 Amjad Parvez said that these properties came from 1993 to 1996.

02:02 And in the entire reference, Nawaz Sharif's relationship with these properties was not written. Whether it is JIT, NAAB's report, reference, statement, anywhere, the financial status of these properties was not written.

02:12 There is not a single page that proves that Nawaz Sharif has any relationship with these properties.

02:17 Amjad Parvez raised the point that JIT's chief justice, Wajid Zia, also admitted during the hearing that I have no evidence of Nawaz Sharif's connection with these properties.

02:26 The Chief Justice again questioned that is the date and financial status of these properties not present in all these documents?

02:33 Amjad Parvez replied that there is date and financial status in some documents.

02:38 But there is nothing in these properties to prove the relationship with Nawaz Sharif.

02:43 The most important question is the ownership of these properties.

02:46 There is no linguistic or documental evidence that these properties have ever been the property of Nawaz Sharif.

02:52 There is no evidence of Nawaz Sharif's children being under custody.

02:55 Amjad Parvez raised the point that all these things have to be proved by the prosecution.

02:59 The case is never transferred to the defense.

03:02 The Chief Justice Amir Farooq asked the lawyer of Nawaz Sharif that is this all the work of the prosecution?

03:07 The lawyer said that yes, absolutely. All this has to be proved by the prosecution.

03:11 At this time, Justice Mia Gul Hassan Aurangzeb looked at the lawyer of NAAB and said that are you noting all this? These are very important things.

03:18 The lawyer of NAAB said that yes sir, I am noting all this. But Justice Mia Gul Hassan Aurangzeb immediately replied that you don't have a pen in your hand.

03:25 Justice Mia Gul Hassan Aurangzeb said to the lawyer of Nawaz Sharif that we have recently given a decision that four temples have to be proved for the nameless.

03:35 If none of these four is not proved, then it will not be included in the list of nameless.

03:39 The lawyer of Nawaz Sharif called the court and asked why are you taking my test?

03:44 The lawyer of Nawaz Sharif read out the decision of Mariam Nawaz in the court and said that the court had written that there is not a single document to prove the opinion of the prosecution.

03:54 During the hearing, the NAAB prosecutor took the opinion that the references were made based on the Supreme Court's decision.

04:03 On this, Justice Mia Gul Hassan Aurangzeb questioned, what are you trying to say?

04:07 That it was your compulsion to make the reference and the reference was made and the punishment was also made.

04:12 During the hearing, the NAAB prosecutor asked the question of filing an appeal on the namelessness of Mariam Nawaz.

04:16 The NAAB prosecutor told the court that the NAAB did not appeal against the decision of Mariam Nawaz.

04:21 And now that decision is final, so we cannot give arguments on it.

04:25 And in today's hearing, the NAAB took the appeal against the namelessness of Nawaz Sharif in the flagship reference and the court was dismissed on the basis of taking the appeal back.

04:34 Viewers, in this most important case of Evanfield, today, Mia Nawaz Sharif was acquitted.

04:38 This accusation was unsuccessful in proving the crime.

04:41 From 2016 till now, to find these properties, from JIT to NAAB prosecution, billions of resources were spent.

04:49 The court spent a lot of time and only in this case, 107 cases were closed.

04:55 10 volumes of JIT, boxes full of evidence and despite all the claims of NAAB, this case was proved to be a case of only 3 cases.

05:02 But the nation is still unable to know who is the real owner and the real owner of these 4 flats of Evanfield.

05:09 In this regard, we have with us Jangeel Jadoon, who was a former advocate general of Islamabad.

05:14 He is a senior lawyer. Imran Shafiq, a former NAAB prosecutor is with us.

05:18 Thank you both. Jadoon sir, I will start with you.

05:21 Evanfield reference was related to the purchase of 4 flats in the park lane of London, Evanfield House.

05:27 Mia was sentenced under National Accountability Ordinance 1999-9A-5.

05:33 Till now, everyone has been aware that if a person is found guilty of a crime of abuse,

05:43 or if he is the owner of any property, or if he has acquired property in any way,

05:51 or if he has committed a crime that is beyond his income, then he will be convicted.

05:58 Today, he has been acquitted and he has been found on merit. Mia was a criminal then, but today he is innocent.

06:05 Right?

06:06 Thank you very much for the way you have manipulated this system.

06:11 The NAAB has said in the court that we do not file a reference.

06:16 What we mean is that a NAAB constitution has come forward and said that we have not done this investigation ourselves.

06:21 We have filed a reference in the direction of the Supreme Court.

06:24 The five-member bench of the Supreme Court first made a JIT.

06:28 The case goes from the trial court to the Supreme Court.

06:31 This is a unique case that has not come from the Supreme Court to the trial court.

06:34 Five judges have said that you file a reference.

06:37 Mr. Shafiq is the prosecutor of NAAB.

06:40 All the assets behind the case are made into one reference.

06:44 Whether you have one crore or one billion rupees.

06:46 Having said that, they have made three different references.

06:49 The NAAB court is still working.

06:54 They have said that there is no charge of corruption.

06:57 Two people are acquitted in the same reference.

07:01 At that time, there was no government.

07:04 There was no PDM or NAAB.

07:07 The reference was so defective that the prosecution had to prove it.

07:11 When their punishment was suspended, they said that their income has been determined.

07:14 They said that the assets that you are alleging are behind the means,

07:20 you have determined their value.

07:22 They said that they have not done it.

07:24 They said that the income chart that they have made is like that of Ayush.

07:28 They started looking back.

07:29 When you do such manipulation, or if there is something.

07:34 Mr. Jadoon, hold this thought for a minute.

07:36 Because Mr. Imran Shafiq, you have been a part of NAAB.

07:39 You have played the role of a prosecutor.

07:41 Is this a bondi manipulation? Is NAAB under the control?

07:45 Is it a puppet institution? Or is it a failure?

07:48 Which one is it?

07:50 My opinion about NAAB has always been this.

07:53 I have been expressing it many times that NAAB was a part of political engineering.

07:58 NAAB has been used for political engineering.

08:01 But for this particular case, political engineering has not been done by NAAB.

08:06 The political engineering of this case has been done from above.

08:10 And the five-member bench, which was working under the supervision of Justice Asif Saeed Khosa,

08:14 who had closed this case.

08:16 Basically, if there is any political engineering, it is because of that decision.

08:20 And at that time, Chairman NAAB, in the court, Asif Saeed Khosa,

08:24 Chaudhary Qamar Zaman,

08:26 Chaudhary Qamar Zaman, stood up in the court and said that I do not want to make this case.

08:30 Whatever the reason was.

08:32 But he said that I do not want to make this case. I have taken its compensation.

08:34 So, the five-member bench, which was working under the supervision of Justice Asif Saeed Khosa,

08:40 took out the reason that now we have to do two things.

08:42 One is that since NAAB does not want to investigate this case, we will make GIT.

08:46 With which, they took the officials from six different institutions of Pakistan,

08:51 of their own free will, that our GIT will investigate.

08:55 You remember all these things, they are a part of the record.

08:58 Then GIT has made a record and an evidence on a total of ten volumes.

09:02 From which three references were made.

09:04 Then it was again submitted to the Supreme Court.

09:06 The Supreme Court again heard it and said that you file three references in the courts of Islamabad.

09:12 Three references, the Azizia one, the flagship one and the Avanfield one,

09:16 file all three separately.

09:18 And on the basis of that, NAAB filed it and gave time that in so many days,

09:23 your job is to file only the reference.

09:25 So, NAAB did the right thing that NAAB did not investigate this case,

09:29 nor did NAAB initiate the complaint of this case,

09:33 NAAB did not even inquire about it.

09:35 And the work of filing the reference was done in the light of the Supreme Court's order.

09:39 The main witnesses of this case were the one who was a Calibri phone Redlay,

09:45 and the other was Wajid Zia.

09:47 Wajid Zia himself and he himself was presented as a witness.

09:49 His evidence continued for two months.

09:51 So, all the evidence that was collected, the things that were there, the reference that was…

09:56 But look, now we come to the apartments.

09:59 Mr. Jadoon, the court of appeals filed 107 cases,

10:01 whereas the Supreme Court filed more than 50 cases in the Panama case,

10:04 spent 150 hours, spent almost 280 days on this case,

10:08 and presented three of the five accused in the court,

10:11 whereas the sons of Mr. Mian, Hassan and Hussain Nawaz, were declared innocent.

10:15 Now, in the court of appeals of Judge Mohammed Bashir,

10:17 there are 600 hours of evidence in the case consisting of 16,000 pages.

10:21 Sir, on record, during the trial, the accused's lawyer, NAAB prosecutors,

10:24 recorded 18 witnesses, cross-examined them.

10:29 A mountain of evidence was unearthed.

10:31 These lakhs of hours, these thousands of volumes of work,

10:37 I am unable to understand that the fundamental questions are still there.

10:41 No, you are right.

10:44 The time has been wasted, and the public is concerned.

10:46 Billions of rupees?

10:47 The public is concerned.

10:48 People's money, the taxpayer money has been wasted.

10:50 But, look, the people who waste this money,

10:54 who make such cases, no one can catch them.

10:58 They do not fall under the rule of law, they are above the law.

11:01 Now, look at any Prime Minister,

11:04 where did Panama start from?

11:05 He did not take a loan from his son.

11:07 We are talking about merit, without any political voice or affiliation.

11:11 Now, if you make such cases on any Prime Minister, whoever he is,

11:14 whether he is from the Peas Party, or PMLN, or PTI, or any party,

11:18 if you have decided that you want to remove this person,

11:22 today, when Mr. Mian was coming out, Mr. Motiullah asked him a question.

11:25 He said, "I did not want to, but this is a revenge of justice."

11:29 The way he did it, the way he is doing it,

11:32 the one who did it, the machinery behind it is the same.

11:36 The whole world knows what happened behind it.

11:39 Sir, I was coming to the fundamental questions.

11:41 The news that the International Consortium of Journalists unearthed,

11:44 even today, we have come to the same stage 1 and have been standing in circles.

11:49 You see, these apartments, these four apartments,

11:52 16-16, 17-17, we do not know whose ownership these are.

11:56 We do not know who is the beneficial owner of these offshore companies.

12:00 We do not know how these were bought.

12:02 We do not know how this money was collected, how it was transferred abroad.

12:05 We do not know what this money trail was.

12:08 So, let us separate these two things.

12:10 One is manipulation.

12:11 Bonda is a conspiracy.

12:14 And on the other hand, there are alleged questions that are still present.

12:18 But, when you raise a question,

12:21 you are from Islamabad, you are a resident of Islamabad,

12:25 you are familiar with it.

12:26 So, from there, start from F5 to F6 and go down to F11.

12:30 So, the case of asset behind me can be made on every person.

12:33 It will be a very exceptional case.

12:35 In Pakistan, there is a person, I think there are very few people,

12:39 who pay fair tax or have salary classes, like you all.

12:43 If you make a prosecution case,

12:46 then it is the prime responsibility,

12:48 the initial burden that you start, that is the job of the prosecution.

12:51 At least, you should have determined the income.

12:53 Even we would have agreed that the flats had this much income at that time.

12:56 Or, Mr. Shaheen, at that time, he did not have this much income,

13:01 so he bought flats with this much income.

13:03 In whatever way he bought, whether the companies,

13:05 Nesco, other companies, or their shares,

13:09 but at least, the person who is making the case,

13:11 the primary burden of that should be discharged first.

13:14 For example, if someone is taking salary from me or you,

13:18 then the job of producing the slip is that they are taking so much salary,

13:22 their assets are so much, behind me, their children study in such a high school,

13:26 their travel is so much, so their salary…

13:28 I have already said, sir, this work was a mess,

13:30 this was not done properly.

13:32 Such work involving 10 volumes and all those thousands of hours,

13:36 there is nothing to produce for that.

13:38 You are seeing that on one hand, not even dozens,

13:41 but around 200 cases, on the other hand,

13:43 this case got over in 3 cases,

13:45 the NAB did not even try to fight it.

13:48 But, sir, logically, those questions are in their place.

13:50 Why, Mr. Imran Shafiq, who is the owner of Nielsen Nescol companies?

13:54 Look, there is a very basic thing in this.

13:56 One is its legal question and the other is a very important moral question on political grounds.

14:01 You are a politician.

14:03 Now, look, and this moral aspect, it has legal implications as well.

14:08 Now, the four flats you are telling,

14:13 in these flats, in the last 4-5 years,

14:16 the whole policy of Muslim League has been running.

14:18 In these flats, people have been getting legitimacy for themselves.

14:25 In those flats, it was decided that Shabaz Sharif will be the next Prime Minister of Pakistan.

14:29 In those flats, it was decided that we will accept the act of giving extension to the Army Chief.

14:35 In those flats, all these decisions were being made.

14:39 And today, Mr. Mian has come back from those flats.

14:42 Now, anyway, the question is,

14:44 where did you get these four flats from and what were their sources?

14:48 He gave the justification that we got the money trail from Qatari.

14:56 Dada Sahib's personality was important, Qatari's role was very important.

15:00 But there is another aspect as well.

15:02 When institutions in our country are collecting money for someone,

15:05 and that is basically for political engineering,

15:09 now, when the collection was being done, Qatari himself said that you come to me

15:14 and I will record your statement.

15:18 He insisted that if you come to the High Commission of Pakistan and give a statement,

15:22 then we will take your statement from JIT.

15:24 JIT has been with Qatari.

15:26 Investigators from all over the world,

15:28 Mr. Wajid Zia, you were not the Prime Minister of Pakistan, right?

15:31 You have a protocol in which you cannot go to Qatari.

15:35 You have a dignitary who is calling you.

15:38 You have to investigate.

15:39 You have to question him.

15:40 You come to me.

15:42 This is also a technical, legal problem,

15:44 from where you are seeing that the case is weak.

15:47 Today, it is said that Mr. Jadun's investigation and trial,

15:50 during both, there were no such evidences, no such testimonies,

15:54 that could connect these apartments with Mr. Mian.

15:57 So, again, these two aspects, as Mr. Imran Shafiq said,

16:00 there is a legal aspect and a moral aspect.

16:02 In the moral aspect, the question is still there.

16:05 They live in these apartments.

16:07 From there, the business of the state is conducted.

16:10 From there, the Prime Minister is formed.

16:12 From there, the Cabinet goes and takes rounds and holds meetings.

16:15 Look, these are factual things.

16:18 You can see it in front of you.

16:20 I can see it.

16:21 You cannot deny them that we are living in apartments.

16:24 These are not ours.

16:25 They have said it.

16:26 But the prosecution said, look, the prosecution is proving that,

16:29 I say this initially, that the apartments you have built,

16:32 you have built with some corruption money,

16:34 or when you bought them, you did not have that much money,

16:38 so where did you get it from?

16:40 This question, like you are saying, is a question of apartments.

16:43 So, the legal question, the prosecution cannot discharge it,

16:46 that if you make an allegation to someone,

16:48 that the things you have bought,

16:50 these are your behind means,

16:52 your salary is 2 lakhs,

16:54 and you are living in a standard of 10 lakhs,

16:58 so they were proving that you have taken this pace,

17:01 you have a salary of 2 lakhs,

17:03 so if you have taken it at 10 lakhs, then you answer this.

17:06 The initial things, if the prosecution had proved that

17:09 at that time they had this much income,

17:11 then perhaps their punishment there would have been 4 to 6.

17:14 This question of Jadun sir will never be raised,

17:16 of Nielsen Neskoll's beneficial ownership,

17:18 or the question of the apartments in Pak lane,

17:20 will never be raised in our politics.

17:22 It is possible that if someone again puts a martial law,

17:25 then they will raise the question again.

17:27 May Allah be kind, sir.

17:28 Now, no one is known in this country.

17:30 Look, now, look, all the things have been acquitted.

17:33 Now, you have seen, in front of you, this, this is the plan.

17:36 In the flagship Bariat, NAB was also in the appeal,

17:38 that appeal too they have withdrawn.

17:40 So, NAB has raised their hands, right, boss?

17:42 It can be done, I will tell you.

17:44 It can be done?

17:45 In this case, there was a monetary judge too.

17:47 Yes, absolutely, Justice Ejaz-ul-Ahsan.

17:49 Ejaz-ul-Ahsan sir, he will also become the Chief Justice of Pakistan.

17:51 So, a question will arise again at that time,

17:53 that on what grounds NAB withdrew this case?

17:55 And at that time, the engineering will start to reverse.

17:57 So, this is not time-bound.

17:59 Because those apartments exist, it can start at any time.

18:01 You remember, there was another case on Mian sir.

18:04 The one on Hodebiya.

18:05 Yes, Hodebiya, the one on Hodebiya.

18:07 Absolutely, that too, Justice Fai Reza sir

18:09 has wrapped it up by time-bounding it.

18:11 He said that how NAB investigated all this,

18:14 why didn't they do it again, didn't do this.

18:16 That came to Justice Faiz-e-Ishaq sir.

18:18 And he finished the whole post-mortem of Hodebiya paper mill.

18:22 But now this question, this did not end on merit.

18:25 NAB said that we will not prosecute this case now.

18:28 So, it did not end on merit,

18:29 although at that time NAB had claimed that

18:31 apartments of Nawaz Sharif, their children,

18:33 were bought illegally.

18:36 And because the lack of money trail is still a reality,

18:39 so Mr. Jadoon, you cannot say that

18:41 this is done and dusted and move on.

18:43 It can be picked up at any time.

18:44 No, when the case of Evanfield will be judged,

18:47 the details will be known to the High Court.

18:48 But they have decided on merit.

18:50 Now, NAB has no answer to the question.

18:52 They said in the court that they will take half an hour.

18:56 No, they have decided on merit that

18:58 they have no connection with Nawaz Sharif sir,

19:00 which has been proven.

19:01 No, look at this judgment,

19:02 which is a matter of withdrawal,

19:04 it is not to some extent.

19:05 Can this decision be challenged in the Supreme Court?

19:07 No, they have said one thing,

19:09 now I will tell you something.

19:10 Like the Hudebiya case, they said it was withdrawn.

19:12 No, no challenge can be made.

19:14 But you know, the way the Supreme Court

19:17 decides in our country,

19:19 so I told you that a scenario can develop in the future

19:22 that when it is said in the case that how it was done,

19:25 and then again the NAB people are asked

19:27 that why did you withdraw the prosecution at that time.

19:29 You are saying that the Supreme Court itself withdraws it.

19:31 Yes, withdraws it.

19:32 So, the chance of that can be made at any time.

19:35 Sir, because these things on record,

19:37 that when NAB says that in 1993,

19:39 Nawaz Sharif's children had no source of income on record,

19:42 in the decision of Islamabad High Court,

19:44 later, we saw many things in the case of the Bureau,

19:47 that the father's and his children's natural

19:49 obedience is agreed upon, understood,

19:52 therefore, the position of the accused Nawaz Sharif

19:54 cannot be proven that the children were under the care of their grandfather.

19:57 These are a lot of technical issues

19:59 which will remain where they are.

20:01 No, now, listen to me, when this judgment came,

20:06 the Evanfield judgment,

20:07 the first of all, the flaws of the trial court in it,

20:10 they said that the case of corruption is not made against them.

20:13 But then what did the judge say?

20:16 Sir, if these assumptions are there,

20:18 and you do not have any money trail,

20:20 then how will you say that it was made?

20:22 The judge said this, didn't he?

20:24 Judge Gul Hasan Aurangzeb.

20:25 No, no, no, he said that if you say that it was made,

20:27 it was a very important observation.

20:29 Then how can you say that if it is not made by practice,

20:31 if it is not inside.

20:32 The case of the judge Asasa Jadh is basically that

20:35 there is no separate evidence of corruption.

20:37 He himself raises a question by making an asset,

20:40 that where did you get this money from,

20:42 on the basis of which you have made this asset.

20:45 That is, there is no need to give bribe for corruption separately

20:48 and take it and catch it.

20:50 Asasa is the evidence of it.

20:51 Asasa is that where did you get it from.

20:53 If you justify it, then your thing is over.

20:56 But the problem is that today this case is over,

20:59 but the question is that it is also necessary to see it.

21:03 The people of Pakistan should see this.

21:05 Now it is in the court of the people, basically.

21:07 That the institutions that have been involved in this whole game,

21:12 and certainly everyone needs to be accountable.

21:15 Today, this question should be asked by Justice Khosla,

21:18 and this question should also be asked by the entire Supreme Court bench.

21:22 That if NAB was an institution that was not making this case,

21:25 then on what grounds did you get the JIT report?

21:29 You read that whole report.

21:31 I understand this because the Supreme Court's five-member bench,

21:35 its foundation is also clear from here,

21:37 that they did not punish Mr. Mian on Panama in this case.

21:42 They did not punish him on the basis of Akama.

21:44 That decision was so weak that you gave a complete political statement,

21:48 why did you take me out?

21:49 Why did you take me out?

21:50 So the things of Panama,

21:51 if JIT had found anything about corruption in it,

21:55 if they had to see that thing,

21:57 then this is a complete,

21:59 but its implications are very dangerous.

22:02 But now can Mr. Mian make the Supreme Court or the Islamabad High Court's judgment

22:06 the base and issue an application,

22:08 when they end the conviction, because the reference has also ended?

22:12 No, the reference will end, but the conviction will end.

22:16 So the 62(1)(f) they will get benefits from that.

22:18 You can ask about Nahi Ahli.

22:21 The section of the Election Act 2017,

22:23 they changed it and added it.

22:28 So in that, it is possible that this question will go to the Supreme Court again.

22:31 Sir, but the Supreme Court's judgment is also in its place,

22:34 you will have to retract that judgment too,

22:36 because you cannot overshadow a judgment through a simple act.

22:40 No, see this is the question,

22:42 the opinion of one set of people is that

22:45 this paper can be submitted,

22:47 so that a person can take up the objection,

22:49 so that finally the Supreme Court settles it.

22:51 But now the Supreme Court, you know,

22:53 the judgment given in the Practice and Proceed Act,

22:55 in that light I would say that the Supreme Court,

22:58 the law that the Parliament has made,

23:00 will endorse that.

23:02 Because this was a different opinion,

23:04 they said that the appeal of 184(3) cannot be done through an act,

23:07 a constitutional amendment will have to be made in this.

23:09 So the Supreme Court has held that

23:11 the Parliament is the Supreme,

23:13 they have admitted the sovereignty of the Parliament.

23:15 So if this case goes again,

23:17 it is possible that the Supreme Court,

23:19 on this analogy, will say that if the Parliament has made this claim.

23:21 Isn't that what you are seeing?

23:23 Yes, yes.

23:24 That act is in the context of the Practice and Procedure.

23:27 Here, a judgment pass of the Supreme Court is being made.

23:30 It is present, which is explaining.

23:32 And that explanation is of a provision of the act.

23:34 Of 62.

23:35 If it is explaining the provision of the act,

23:37 and while explaining it says,

23:39 if you say this, then you will make the provision of the act a provision of the act.

23:42 Now every day the explanation of the provision of the act will be done by the Supreme Court.

23:45 And through the act you will say.

23:46 Without the provision of the act,

23:48 you will do a simple act of Parliament.

23:50 And by your will,

23:51 this means that if this argument is accepted,

23:53 then in the future, the explanation of the provision of the act in Pakistan,

23:56 will not be done by the Supreme Court,

23:58 but will be done through an act of Parliament.

24:01 So what is the next step to end the non-citizenship?

24:05 There is only one,

24:06 there are two basic ones.

24:08 Either the judgment of the Supreme Court should be reversed,

24:10 in which the non-citizenship was done.

24:12 In this case, they have adopted a finality.

24:14 In some other case, the Supreme Court should say,

24:16 that the view we had taken earlier,

24:17 was very wrong.

24:18 And we reverse it.

24:20 This judgment will not be a valid law.

24:22 The second condition is that the amendment should be made in the constitution.

24:24 There is no assembly.

24:25 So the amendment in the constitution,

24:26 there are no chances of it.

24:28 But apart from that,

24:29 I do not see any third option on it.

24:31 This act.

24:32 What will you say about the act?

24:34 Because today,

24:35 it was also going to be heard.

24:37 But it will be fixed for a future date.

24:41 In Al Aziziya,

24:42 will you see such a speedy relief for Mr. Mian?

24:44 No, Al Aziziya,

24:46 you saw,

24:47 the judge,

24:48 may Allah give him heaven,

24:49 may he give him hell.

24:50 He said,

24:51 I was under so much pressure.

24:52 In one case,

24:53 he returned the flagship reference.

24:55 He gave a hotel in that.

24:57 And he was sentenced to 7 years in that.

24:58 He said,

24:59 I was under so much pressure.

25:00 We will cut his video.

25:01 The case has been ruined so much.

25:03 The pressure was on the work,

25:04 what should we do.

25:05 So, you read the statement of Shaukat Siddiqi,

25:07 he said,

25:08 I was under so much pressure,

25:09 that I brought the bench to this side,

25:10 and gave justice to him.

25:11 So, all these things,

25:12 your prosecution,

25:13 beyond reasonable doubt,

25:14 you have to give a punishment to a person,

25:16 you have to convict him,

25:17 you have to curtail his liberty,

25:19 you have to keep him in prison,

25:20 so you should prove the prosecution

25:21 to be a case beyond reasonable doubt.

25:23 Al Aziziya is very simple.

25:25 The prosecution,

25:26 the defense already benefits,

25:28 and the benefit of the prosecution,

25:30 whatever the dent will be,

25:31 it is for the accused and the defense.

25:34 So, I am not seeing any punishment

25:36 or anything like that.

25:37 The same stance was there of NAAP,

25:40 and the court has also seen the case.

25:43 I think, in that too,

25:44 next week or whenever it is,

25:46 it will be quittal.

25:47 And next week,

25:48 it is expected that it will be quittal there too.

25:50 Next week, it can be.

25:51 The one who has filed the prosecution,

25:52 that institution will go and say,

25:53 we have done the prosecution wrong.

25:55 And the court will also say,

25:56 yes, we know why you have done it.

25:58 So, the matter will be over.

25:59 Supreme Court had said correctly,

26:00 that NAAP has been buried,

26:02 and it should be released now.

26:04 The IROs that we are seeing with the country,

26:07 the way the apartments of Nazeem Evanfield were acquired,

26:11 what was the money trail,

26:12 we do not know that still.

26:13 But it was run in such a way,

26:16 and the prosecution turned out to be so weak,

26:18 that within days,

26:19 you are seeing that it is on merit quittals.

26:21 The former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif,

26:22 about 78 times,

26:24 Mariam Sahiba, about 80 times,

26:26 and Captain Sabdar,

26:27 92 times,

26:28 were presented in the court of appeal.

26:30 And Mian Sahib, in the trial court,

26:32 he spent about 400 hours.

26:35 And almost the same time,

26:36 his daughter Mariam Nawaz,

26:38 spent in the same court room.

26:39 The interesting thing is that,

26:40 these five,

26:41 the five accused,

26:42 in the case of Panama Papers,

26:43 were not presented in the Supreme Court.

26:45 Whereas, Sheikh Rashid, Tehreek-e-Insaf,

26:47 Imran Khan, Jamaat-e-Islami,

26:49 they were all presented.

26:50 They were all very much in that courtroom,

26:51 throughout 18 witnesses' statements,

26:53 were presented.

26:55 10 volumes of evidence were presented,

26:58 where the lawyer of the Sharif family, Khawaja Haris,

27:00 and Amjad Parvez,

27:01 were presented in the trial court.

27:02 And the head of the joint investigation team,

27:03 Wajid Zia,

27:04 and in Britain,

27:05 the forensic expert, Robert Redley,

27:07 were also presented as important witnesses.

27:10 And this wraps up for tonight.

27:12 But there is never a dull day in Pakistan.

27:14 A very short break, we are going to be right back.

27:16 27 years, 6 months, and 29 days later,

27:19 the former Prime Minister, Imran Khan,

27:21 has himself,

27:22 removed himself from the chairmanship of Tehreek-e-Insaf.

27:24 And the red line has crossed,

27:27 which Tehreek-e-Insaf has crossed to defend.

27:30 Tehreek-e-Insaf, who has been a victim of confusion for the past 24 hours,

27:33 has finally announced its decision.

27:35 If Imran Khan is not the chair,

27:37 then who will be the chairman of the party?

27:38 Today, while speaking to the media,

27:40 the head of the Tehreek-e-Insaf legal team, Ali Zafar,

27:42 announced while speaking to the media,

27:44 that Imran Khan will not take part in the intraparty election as chairman,

27:47 and that his most promising candidate, Gohar Khan, will take his place.

27:50 Imran Khan said,

27:53 "This intraparty election,

27:54 does not hold any importance for me.

27:56 I will not take part in this election."

27:58 The rumors that were going around yesterday,

28:00 that we will do a minus one,

28:02 are not true.

28:03 PTI is Imran Khan,

28:04 and Imran Khan is PTI.

28:06 Ali Zafar has also defended Gohar Khan's

28:09 nomination as chairman of Tehreek-e-Insaf,

28:11 but also tried to give the impression

28:13 that there were more senior people than him,

28:15 and the reason for nominating him is not seniority,

28:17 but something else.

28:18 Many dangerous personalities were mentioned,

28:22 but the decision was made,

28:24 that the dangerous personalities,

28:26 who are in permanent positions of the party,

28:28 it is not appropriate to give them a temporary position.

28:31 The name that Imran Khan said,

28:33 that is Barrister Gohar Khan.

28:35 While the famous chairman Gohar Khan,

28:38 called himself Imran Khan's successor.

28:40 I will be Khan's nominee,

28:44 as a successor.

28:46 PTI is the same as Khan's.

28:48 Khan is the leader,

28:49 whether he is in jail,

28:51 or outside the jail.

28:52 Imran Khan is the chairman,

28:54 and God willing,

28:56 he will remain the chairman.

28:58 Will Imran Khan be able to keep the party together?

29:04 Only time will tell.

29:06 But apart from Gohar Khan,

29:08 Sher Afzal Marwat has been appointed as Senior Naib Sadr.

29:10 In the translations,

29:12 Raoul Hassan has been appointed as Secretary Information,

29:14 Shoaib Shaheen as Party Chairman's lawyer,

29:16 and Ali Muhammad Khan has been appointed as a translator.

29:18 In the last 24 hours,

29:20 Ali Zafar, Lateef Khosa, and Intizaar Hussain Panchota,

29:22 have been facing contradictions.

29:24 Lateef Khosa said,

29:26 Imran Khan has denied the -1.

29:28 He will remain the party chairman.

29:30 Sher Afzal Marwat or Ali Zafar said,

29:32 they have a misunderstanding.

29:34 Sher Afzal Marwat insisted,

29:36 that he was in the meeting,

29:38 and the witnesses were present.

29:40 Imran Khan will not fight the intraparty election.

29:42 Intizaar Panchota said,

29:44 that Imran Khan is the party chairman,

29:46 and the actual decision will be made on 23rd November.

29:48 Ali Zafar said,

29:50 that Intizaar is being said,

29:52 but this is not the first time in Pakistani politics,

29:54 that a politician has been declared as a party chairman.

29:56 Recently,

29:58 after the 1999 Martial Law,

30:00 Nawaz Sharif was sentenced to 28 years in prison.

30:02 He was banned from taking part in politics.

30:04 So, Kulsoom Nawaz Sharif was made the party chairman.

30:06 But then,

30:08 when Nawaz Sharif and his family

30:10 reached the Supreme Court,

30:12 then the party president,

30:14 Javed Hashmi was made the party chairman.

30:16 When Javed Hashmi accepted the leadership of Muslim League Nawaz,

30:18 it was the most difficult time for the party.

30:20 But then,

30:22 in 2005,

30:24 Chaudhary Nisar Ali Khan was made the party president.

30:26 Then, from 2009 to 2010,

30:28 Shabaz Sharif became the party president for the first time.

30:30 And then,

30:32 in 2010, Javed Hashmi was once again

30:34 made the party president.

30:36 But he remained the party chairman for a year.

30:38 In 2011,

30:40 Nawaz Sharif became the party chairman again.

30:42 And he remained the party chairman,

30:44 but after the Panama Leagues decision,

30:46 he was not removed from the post of party chairman

30:48 along with the ministry of foreign affairs.

30:50 After the Supreme Court decision,

30:52 Nawaz Sharif's brother Shabaz Sharif was elected

30:54 as the party president.

30:56 He is still the party chairman.

30:58 But, it is a fact that in Pakistan,

31:00 political parties revolve around personalities.

31:02 And the party leader is not a minus

31:04 even though he is minus one.

31:06 Like yesterday,

31:08 three former ministers were presented in the courts.

31:10 Mian Nawaz Sharif in Islamabad High Court,

31:12 and Imran Khan in the Jail Court.

31:14 In two cases,

31:16 Imran Khan was released from the courts.

31:18 Today, Islamabad High Court

31:20 has released Nawaz Sharif in the Evan Field reference.

31:22 In the flagship reference,

31:24 NAB has taken back the appeal

31:26 against the release of Nawaz Sharif.

31:28 The court has approved it.

31:30 While, the judge of Rawalpindi's court,

31:32 Muhammad Bashir,

31:34 has dismissed the case of the Al-Qaeda Trust,

31:36 the £190 million scandal,

31:38 and the Toshakhana case,

31:40 Muzaffar Abbas,

31:42 and Chairman PTI,

31:44 and Bushra Bibi,

31:46 have been presented in the court.

31:48 The court has extended the bail for 8 days

31:50 and has dismissed the case till 6th December.

31:52 Last week,

31:54 the Islamabad High Court has

31:56 dismissed the Cypher case trial.

31:58 Today, the Fidelity Cabinet has decided

32:00 to approve the corruption cases

32:02 and Cypher case trial

32:04 of the former PM and Chairman PTI.

32:06 The Fidelity Cabinet has also approved

32:08 the Circulation case trial of the

32:10 former PM and Chairman PTI.

32:12 The notification of the jail trial

32:14 will be issued tomorrow.

32:16 The decision of the jail trial

32:18 will be sent to the Ministry of Law

32:20 through the Chief Commissioner of Islamabad.

32:22 After the approval of the Cabinet,

32:24 the notification will be issued.

32:26 The red line of justice has been breached.

32:28 Imran Khan has dismissed himself

32:30 from the office of the party.

32:32 To talk about this,

32:34 we have Senator Ali Zafar.

32:36 Thank you very much for being with us.

32:38 Today, you gave a very important statement.

32:40 The red line of justice

32:42 which was drawn by you

32:44 has been crossed.

32:46 Chairman of the Justice Department

32:48 will no longer be the chairman.

32:50 You have an interim chairman.

32:52 But, sir, Gauhar Khan's name

32:54 was not given due to infighting

32:56 because Ahle Khana,

32:58 Leema Sahiba and Bushra Bibi were also mentioned.

33:00 No, there was no infighting.

33:02 This is a strategic decision

33:04 and this decision is only for a temporary period.

33:06 This is a strategic decision

33:08 and this decision is only for a temporary period.

33:10 This is a strategic decision

33:12 and this decision is only for a temporary period.

33:14 Until the judgment of Tushar Khan

33:16 in which the punishment has been given

33:18 is not suspended.

33:20 It is possible that it will be suspended tomorrow

33:22 and then there will be no need for a strategy.

33:24 Sir, if it was waited till tomorrow

33:26 and if your expectations are based on suspension,

33:28 then why did you create such a fuss

33:30 in the last 48 hours?

33:32 Did the Jamaat become weak?

33:34 No, it is not that the Jamaat became weak.

33:36 I think one thing became clear

33:38 that the talks about the minus one formula

33:40 and the talks about the Q

33:42 were all over.

33:44 We have decided

33:46 that we have been given 20 days.

33:48 The Election Commission of Pakistan

33:50 has given us the time to make our elections.

33:52 They thought

33:54 that we might get nervous

33:56 and we might not have a strategy.

33:58 And these 20 days will pass

34:00 and they will not be able to make the elections.

34:02 Sir, you are familiar with the history.

34:04 The wife of Farooq Laghari

34:06 thought that she would be the one

34:08 to get married.

34:10 Gauhar Khan is a very respectable man.

34:12 But many people are raising questions

34:14 from within the Jamaat.

34:16 So, wouldn't it be better

34:18 if this announcement was made after tomorrow's suspension?

34:20 Look, the elections

34:22 are on Sunday.

34:24 The nomination papers

34:26 have not been submitted yet.

34:28 If the elections are

34:30 suspended tomorrow,

34:32 then we won't need a strategy

34:34 and the nomination papers

34:36 will be filed by Gauhar Khan.

34:38 And secondly,

34:40 even if the nomination papers

34:42 are not submitted,

34:44 there is a clear indication

34:46 that the elections will be held

34:48 at the same time

34:50 as the suspension of the elections.

34:52 How many chances do you have?

34:54 How confident are you

34:56 that you will get the suspension?

34:58 The decision of Nawaz Sharif

35:00 was not suspended.

35:02 In fact,

35:04 his appeal was accepted.

35:06 So, in that respect,

35:08 the suspension is very clear.

35:10 The legal position is

35:12 that the suspension should be done.

35:14 So, this is the hope.

35:16 But even if it is delayed for some time,

35:18 there is no issue.

35:20 Except for us,

35:22 the sword that is hanging

35:24 in front of us,

35:26 it is of time.

35:28 And we have to fulfill that.

35:30 No one in the party

35:32 is interested in this contest.

35:34 That's why we thought

35:36 that tomorrow

35:38 the Election Commission of Pakistan

35:40 will try to raise

35:42 any questions

35:44 or raise any points

35:46 on this election.

35:48 We don't want to give a chance

35:50 to the Election Commission

35:52 to raise any points

35:54 on this election.

35:56 So that our candidates

35:58 for the general election

36:00 can present their papers

36:02 legally to the Election Commission

36:04 of Pakistan.

36:06 Senator, if it is to be done,

36:08 can it be done in a day?

36:10 Can it be suspended?

36:12 If it is not done,

36:14 can it take a year?

36:16 And if it is a latter situation,

36:18 will Imran Khan

36:20 fight for the general election on 8th February?

36:22 Yes, he will fight.

36:24 Our plan C is ready for that.

36:26 In fact,

36:28 plan D is also ready.

36:30 So, the strategy is

36:32 to keep making your strategies.

36:34 Strategies and counter-strategies.

36:36 What are plan C and plan D?

36:38 When it is needed,

36:40 we will inform you about it.

36:42 When it is needed,

36:44 we have disclosed plan B.

36:46 In which we said

36:48 that we are going to the Mitra Party elections

36:50 and we will give our panels.

36:52 And this will be a caretaker setup.

36:54 So, like this,

36:56 you will get to know

36:58 about plan C and D when it is needed.

37:00 So, the plan can be very expensive.

37:02 There was a plan for 9th May,

37:04 that was also suspended.

37:06 And you can see that your community

37:08 is still not able to resolve that issue.

37:10 There have been serious disputes

37:12 on your former chairman Imran Khan.

37:14 So, the point is that

37:16 there is confusion

37:18 and there is no air in your direction.

37:20 So, if Imran Khan cannot fight the elections

37:22 and PTI still becomes

37:24 a part of the next assembly

37:26 in some form,

37:28 then also he will be giving the orders from the jail.

37:30 Regarding the policy.

37:32 See,

37:34 the first thing is that

37:36 Inshallah, it will not happen.

37:38 But if it happens, then it will.

37:40 Basically, I will tell you Mehar that

37:42 PTI is of Imran Khan

37:44 and without Imran Khan

37:46 PTI is nothing.

37:48 So, remote control will work?

37:50 Yes.

37:52 Remote control will work from the jail?

37:54 If it is needed

37:56 and if such problems have arisen,

37:58 then it will be like this.

38:00 Why don't you make him a supreme leader

38:02 like Nawaz Sharif was made PMLN?

38:04 If it is needed,

38:06 then we will amend that also

38:08 and will do our constitution.

38:10 There is no problem in that legally.

38:12 And sir,

38:14 when you met 4 people inside,

38:16 did Imran Khan ask you

38:18 about his family?

38:20 That Bushra Bibi or Aleema Sahiba

38:22 should be made a leader?

38:24 See,

38:26 I did mention

38:28 the suggestions

38:30 from different places.

38:32 I mentioned this suggestion

38:34 from some quarters also.

38:36 But he said

38:38 that he rejects this

38:40 because

38:42 he is against

38:44 family politics.

38:46 This is PTI's philosophy

38:48 and my philosophy

38:50 and my vision is against it.

38:52 So, don't even consider this.

38:54 This was his answer

38:56 and he took 1 second to answer.

38:58 Thank you very much.

39:00 We had Senator Ali Zafar with us.

39:02 You heard the conversation.

39:04 Viewers, he is a former PM.

39:06 Along with today's big news,

39:08 the court has issued a ruling

39:10 that Lapata Baloch Tulba should be

39:12 acquitted by 10th January.

39:14 Islamabad High Court has

39:16 requested the Minister of Interior

39:18 to be on duty today.

39:20 The Minister was not present

39:22 because he is a foreigner.

39:24 During the hearing,

39:26 Justice Mohsin Akhtar Qayani

39:28 said that if the accused

39:30 are not acquitted,

39:32 then the Minister and the Interior

39:34 will file an FIR.

39:36 The court has ruled that

39:38 there is no law and order in the country

39:40 and that the accused should be acquitted.

39:42 Justice Mohsin Akhtar Qayani

39:44 has asked

39:46 if this is the case of a religious community.

39:48 Whoever is an unknown person

39:50 and is a criminal

39:52 will come and say that

39:54 he does not want to follow the case.

39:56 The Minister of Interior, Mr. Faraz Bugti

39:58 has said that there are many examples

40:00 of people who have left Afghanistan.

40:02 There are many cases

40:04 where people have been killed

40:06 fighting security forces.

40:08 If a person is missing,

40:10 then it is our responsibility

40:12 and we will find him.

40:14 Justice Mohsin Akhtar Qayani

40:16 has said that

40:18 today is the 22nd of January

40:20 and the Secretary of Defense

40:22 is responsible.

40:24 The court has also asked

40:26 that if a person is a member of

40:28 a state, then the court should

40:30 take action.

40:32 Justice Mohsin Akhtar Qayani

40:34 has said that the problem is

40:36 that we do not believe that people are missing.

40:38 Judges should not go and recover people.

40:40 We can only give judgments.

40:42 Attorney General Mansoor Aiwan

40:44 has told the court that 22 students

40:46 have been found missing.

40:48 28 students are still missing.

40:50 The government is trying to find

40:52 all the missing people.

40:54 The court has also asked the Minister of Interior

40:56 to meet the Baloch families

40:58 in two weeks and provide the details

41:00 to the Baloch families.

41:02 The court has warned that if

41:04 students are not found missing on the next date,

41:06 then the Minister of Interior,

41:08 the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Interior

41:10 will be ordered to cut the case

41:12 and all of you will have to go home.

41:14 Good night. Allah Hafiz.

KHABAR Meher Bokhari Kay Saath | ARY News | 29th November 2023

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