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00:00 In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
00:02 To understand what happens in the politics of Pakistan,
00:06 if you take a look at the beginning of today,
00:11 you will get the answer to the question.
00:13 It is not a very old thing that we saw who was in power,
00:16 who was in opposition, who was subordinate.
00:19 Today, two developments have taken place in one day.
00:21 And what are those developments?
00:23 On the same day, the former Prime Minister of Pakistan,
00:26 Mian Umar Nawaz Sharif, who was in jail because of the case of Evanfield,
00:30 and was released in the flagship.
00:33 Today, the whole case of Evanfield is over.
00:36 Evanfield reference is the same as London, apartments, where he lived.
00:40 The case that was adopted was the most famous case.
00:44 Although Al Azizia was also there, but the most famous case was Evanfield.
00:47 In that old, famous era of Evanfield,
00:51 today Mian Umar Nawaz Sharif was released.
00:54 Al Azizia case is still pending.
00:56 And he was released in the flagship earlier.
00:59 So the Naib appealed.
01:00 He said, "You have released him wrong."
01:01 The Naib took back the appeal.
01:03 So one development has taken place today,
01:05 in the reference of one of the former Prime Ministers of Pakistan, Nawaz Sharif.
01:08 And in today's world, another former Prime Minister of Pakistan,
01:11 that is, Imran Khan, who is in jail.
01:14 The circumstances, the situation, the legal complications,
01:18 the legal complications are these,
01:19 because of which he himself made this decision.
01:21 His party has announced that there will be intra-party elections.
01:24 What is the background of that?
01:25 We will tell you the whole next segment.
01:27 And there will not be a chairman of PTI, Imran Khan.
01:30 These are two news in one day.
01:32 The first news in the first part of the program is from Noorli's senior advisor.
01:35 The second news in the second part of the program is from PTI's senior advisor and legal advisor, Imran Khan.
01:40 Let's start now.
01:42 Mr. Javed Lateef, I am assuming he is a very satisfied person today.
01:46 Senior Naib Sadr Muslim Liknoon, Mr. Javed Lateef, please come with us.
01:50 Today, after the release of the case,
01:52 Mr. Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif expressed his thoughts in these words.
01:59 Yes, thank God. I had left the matters to God.
02:05 God has made it clear today.
02:08 Thank God for that country.
02:10 So this is the situation.
02:12 Another development has also taken place.
02:14 A while ago, the Election Commission of Pakistan released a very important press release.
02:17 We will talk about it later.
02:18 But first, Mr. Javed Lateef, please tell us,
02:21 are you satisfied with the example of injustice that you have been saying for a long time?
02:29 Is justice done today?
02:33 Are the scales of justice leveled?
02:35 Thank you, Mr. Waseem Badami.
02:39 But I would like to request that on one hand, there is happiness and on the other hand, there is mourning.
02:46 The happiness is that God has made Nawaz Sharif a red cross in his life.
02:55 Otherwise, you see Zulaf Qaril Bhutto,
03:00 many years after his death,
03:07 many things were admitted that it was injustice, it was a wrong decision.
03:13 And after repeatedly giving wrong punishments to Nawaz Sharif,
03:19 God repeatedly makes him a red cross in his life.
03:24 Now, as far as mourning is concerned, I would like to ask,
03:29 Mr. Waseem, can Nawaz Sharif's 11 years be restored?
03:33 Today, he has been released.
03:36 But in his 11 years, who will restore the state, the nation, the community, the family that he lost?
03:52 You mean he was released in 2013, right?
03:55 This was the date, right?
03:58 Yes.
03:59 11 years, that is, we have been counting since 2013.
04:04 No, I am counting when on 12 October 1999,
04:09 Okay, including that too, okay.
04:13 You see that in all the circumstances, who was the loser?
04:21 Nawaz Sharif was in his place, but the state was the loser, the nation was the loser.
04:26 You see that these decisions were made.
04:28 Okay, and a small question,
04:30 I will ask you about your leader, but please comment on this.
04:34 Mr. Asif Zardari spent almost the same time in jail.
04:37 So, will you say the same about him?
04:40 That he was abused, then he became a red cross, his years have been wasted.
04:46 I will definitely say.
04:48 But I, and this is the truth,
04:52 that sometimes someone's shoulder was used, sometimes someone else's shoulder was used.
04:56 But when we signed the constitution, why did we do it?
05:00 This is why we did it,
05:02 that the use against each other will not be in front of those forces that are non-democratic forces.
05:10 But what I want to say today, Mr. Waseem Badami,
05:13 that someone tell me that the building from which a decision has come today,
05:18 and you are questioning me,
05:20 Yes.
05:21 The decision that came from this building seven years ago,
05:25 did it not bring political and economic revenge in Pakistan?
05:31 Yes, this is true that with today's decision based on justice,
05:36 political and economic revenge can come.
05:41 But can't I ask Mr. Waseem Badami,
05:46 that those who gave the decision and those who made the decision,
05:51 does the Pakistani nation not have the right
05:54 that they should be named today and they should be brought in the box,
05:59 that on what basis and why did you break the Pakistan brick?
06:04 You played with Pakistan.
06:06 And I will say that today someone will tell me.
06:08 The court's decision comes, then there is an appeal on it,
06:10 and that appeal sometimes being rejected, sometimes being accepted,
06:12 the decision sometimes being final, sometimes being rejected,
06:14 sometimes being accepted,
06:16 this is a normal court practice.
06:18 It does not happen that the judge who gave the decision first,
06:20 hang him and bring him in the box.
06:22 This happens all over the world.
06:23 No, it does not happen.
06:25 But it certainly happens that you call someone a Sadak and Ameen without evidence,
06:33 and without evidence you call someone a Sicilian Mafia,
06:37 and call someone a thief and a dacoit.
06:39 So, have the scales been equal in your opinion or not?
06:42 No, they have not.
06:44 No, they have not.
06:45 Really?
06:46 I say that…
06:47 Because the claim of those 11 years cannot be made, that is why you are saying that it has not happened.
06:50 I say that, look, you did acquit Nawaz Shaikh,
06:56 but the claim of Nawaz Shaikh or the claim of the Pakistani nation
07:01 or the claim of the state that has been played with,
07:04 that claim is not this.
07:06 The claim of that is possible in such a way that the people who have drowned the developing and flourishing Pakistan in 2017,
07:16 those people, after their wrong decisions,
07:22 they should be brought before the Pakistani nation so that the elections of 2024,
07:31 the people who are going to the elections with a clear mind…
07:37 What you have said, is this Javed Latif's opinion and desire or the policy of Muslim League Noon and Mansoor Qais?
07:47 This is my innocent question.
07:50 This is not just my opinion and desire.
07:52 This is your Mansoor Qais?
07:54 This is the desire and opinion of the Pakistani nation and the claim of the sorrows of Pakistan…
08:00 Is this the part of Noon League and Mansoor Qais that the Pakistani nation votes for us and we will do this?
08:04 Because this is very important to do.
08:05 Is this the part of Mansoor and Noon League?
08:08 I am telling you that is the Muslim League Noon not from the Pakistani nation?
08:15 Are the crores of voters of the Muslim League Noon not part of this Pakistani nation?
08:22 Noon League is because Mansoor will have a part in it.
08:24 If we come to power, we will do this and that and we will do this work that you have just said.
08:29 Listen to me.
08:31 There are two ways.
08:32 One is that there is a way of self-accountability in all the institutions of Pakistan.
08:39 Unfortunately, those against whom there is a way of self-accountability and should come into action,
08:47 they become so powerful that the way of self-accountability is very small in front of them.
08:54 Now see, one institution has self-accounted within itself after 9th and 10th May.
09:02 What we used to say that there is ease of doing things, those things have come forward.
09:08 And the other institution has also taken an action to self-account.
09:15 May God make that institution also self-accountable.
09:19 Mr. Javed, you are saying that if we come to power, we will be a government.
09:29 And the government will request the leaders to improve the system of self-accountability and to account for this and that.
09:36 Am I right in saying this?
09:38 Look, Mr. Wasim, tell me, by requesting me or by requesting you, the constitution that is being made by you,
09:48 the law of your institutions that is being made by the parliament,
09:54 why is it being made?
09:56 Shouldn't it be followed?
09:58 And what?
09:59 Sir, it should be followed, but when you come to power, then you don't express your desire.
10:03 You follow it.
10:04 I am asking you that you don't go to power, you don't get approval.
10:08 Tell me one thing, you either say that we will come and we will do it,
10:11 or you say that it should be done, we will go to the institutions and say, do it, if you do it, then it is fine, if you don't, then it is fine.
10:15 Sir, you are involved in 3-4 cases, you see them and ask questions about them.
10:24 Tell me that the judgment of the Faizabad protest came,
10:28 and what action was taken against the judgment that was to be given,
10:32 the reference file was filed, and the case is still hanging.
10:36 Then you see that in 2017…
10:39 Ok, Mr. Faizabad, please stop, because yesterday, Mr. Abbasi was sitting on this podium,
10:43 he was the most important person at that time, he was the Prime Minister of Pakistan.
10:46 He said, whatever happened, I will take ownership of it, because I was the Prime Minister,
10:50 I take ownership, even if it is the signing of the Faiz Ameen Sahib, I take ownership, I was the Prime Minister.
10:54 Mr. Javed, I am saying that Mr. Abbasi himself said that at that time,
11:06 I was the Prime Minister of the Faizabad protest, I take ownership of whatever happened.
11:09 Tell me, did the Kargil incident take ownership of the Prime Minister at that time?
11:18 Why did it take ownership? So that my foundations are not defamed,
11:24 I can cover my foundations, and the truth is in front of you, I also know,
11:29 the Pakistani community also knows, we said that a commission should be made on Kargil,
11:34 but it could not be made, and should the Abbottabad commission report have come, it did not come,
11:41 and should the masterminds of the 19th May be made public?
11:51 And in the same way, a commission is working on the Faizabad protest,
11:56 may God grant that it is ready and in its time frame, it should also give a report.
12:04 Okay, let's move on, Mr. Mian, one more case is left, Al Aziziya is left, what are you expecting from it?
12:10 How long will the matter improve?
12:13 Look, as far as the cases are concerned, whether it is today's case or Al Aziziya,
12:20 look, the decision that was taken at that time and the decision that was made,
12:27 they were all on the same page, and while being on the same page, the cases were being made,
12:34 and decisions were also being made on them.
12:37 By God's grace, let's go, the happiness is that, let's go, even if it is late,
12:44 but the Pakistani community has come to know what the facts are, but more saddening than this is that,
12:50 will we only find out after 10-12 years that it was good, I was acquitted,
12:58 first we should see why I was punished, on what basis did I get punished, what was my fault?
13:05 Mr. Mian, that is the same thing, you said the same thing in the first question,
13:10 so I said, okay, then what do you think, are you saying that the real problem is not that you were acquitted,
13:14 the real problem is why was the punishment, it was done under conspiracy,
13:17 so I asked you, are you saying that we will come in power and punish the conspirators,
13:21 so you are saying that the Pakistani people are saying this, the Noon League is also saying this,
13:24 I am asking you, will you write in Manchur, I am asking you, will you request your institutions,
13:28 that you do the calculations, you are not answering, so I will move ahead, what should I do?
13:31 Look, look, Mr. Mian, until you do not make what happened in the past public,
13:41 you will not start acting according to the law, then I will say this with great regret and sorrow,
13:52 that on 9-10 May, a second attack took place, and two months later,
13:58 a second attack was also made on the same airbase.
14:02 You can say that one attack was a political attack and the second attack was the attack of terrorists,
14:11 if you think that the law is one, but you act according to the law, then Allah is the protector of Pakistan.
14:22 That is why their accountability should be in the military court and their accountability should be in the military court,
14:26 do you understand this?
14:32 I will say this, no political party can imagine an attack on the fate of its state,
14:42 and if someone does, then if he is playing the same role, then according to the law,
14:49 he should be punished the same way as the enemy, because he is also playing the role of the enemy.
14:55 When will Mr. Nawaz Sharif start the election campaign?
15:01 You will start it, because today is 29th November,
15:04 how many days are left in the election?
15:06 January 31, February 31, December 31, December 31, December 31, December 31, December 31,
15:11 on the fastest track, the Muslim League work on the election.
15:19 You are not doing it very quickly, I am asking when will you do it?
15:22 Mr. Bilawal is doing it, you are not doing it?
15:25 I am saying the same thing, you see that the Jalsa is to be done by Nawaz Sharif,
15:32 so how have you been seeing for the last 15 days that he has to go to court every day or the next day,
15:41 and you cannot say that I have to do Jalsa in the morning, so put the date of the day after tomorrow.
15:48 So the court is still to be done for Al Aziziyah, so the Jalsa will start after Al Aziziyah, right?
15:54 Yes, you are right, the Jalsa or the beginning of the election campaign,
16:03 although the election has already started on 21st October,
16:08 but what you want to see is the case of Al Aziziyah, God willing,
16:16 and after that the Jalsa will start in all four districts.
16:22 Are you so sure that Al Aziziyah's decision will be made in a few days,
16:25 because there are 70 days left, even less than that,
16:27 now Al Aziziyah's decision can come after 65 days, so will the election campaign start 5 days before?
16:32 So how do you have so much confidence that 70 days are left, Al Aziziyah will be elected?
16:36 I am saying this because I think that what I said at the beginning of my speech,
16:44 that it is too late, but let's go, I am saying this today also,
16:50 that before the election schedule, I will request that the decision of both the culprits and the innocent
16:59 should be made before the election schedule, then the voters of Pakistan will benefit from it.
17:06 The Pakistani nation will benefit from it.
17:08 So you are requesting the courts of Pakistan to decide the cases of both Mr. Khan and Mr. Nawaz Sharif.
17:14 Absolutely, I can only request that the people who will benefit from this in the upcoming elections of 2024,
17:24 will get the same kind of support as those who will get the same kind of support from WhatsApp and other social media.
17:31 I think this wish cannot be fulfilled in practice, how will it be fulfilled?
17:35 Because the Tushar Khan case is still pending, the punishment is pending, the decision is not yet final.
17:40 The cipher has just started yesterday, from zero, so how can it be Mr. Khan's decision so soon?
17:45 Listen to me, the decision of 190 million pounds can be made by hearing day to day,
17:55 the decision of cipher can be made, the decision of Al-Qaeda trust can be made, the decision of IDDF can be made,
18:02 if you want to do it, it can be done, if you don't want to do it, you will remember that the case of foreign funding
18:07 has been going on for 11 years, it is your wish.
18:10 Okay, now sir, tell me, a few minutes before the election commission and the Pakistan press release came out,
18:15 before the start of the program, that the news of the delay in the media elections is baseless, misleading.
18:20 The election commission strongly denies them, meaning that the election commission considered it appropriate
18:25 to categorically criticize them, to condemn them, to deny them,
18:30 deny is the right word, to deny those who are speculating or saying that the elections will be delayed.
18:36 So you are praising the words of the election commission because the election commission is the one who is responsible for the elections.
18:41 And today they have taken a step forward and said that why are you saying that it will be delayed.
18:45 Do you praise the press release?
18:47 Look, not only me, all the political workers, political forces, everyone should support it and the expression of happiness is that
19:02 the confusion that was being created for the last 5-6 days, and the program was being done on it,
19:11 and a column was being written on it, and this confusion was created that maybe the elections are not happening on 8th February.
19:18 I think that if the elections go ahead even a moment from 8th February,
19:23 then the state will also be affected, this system will also be affected, the nation will also suffer.
19:29 So I request everyone that for God's sake, this confusion that is being spread for some special purpose,
19:38 this should not be talked about when you see that the election commission is also saying it,
19:43 and the Supreme Court of Pakistan is also putting a stamp on it,
19:46 so after that I think it is not appropriate to talk about it.
19:50 Okay, Mr. Mian, please listen to this.
19:52 Yesterday, Shahid Khadr and Abbas came here, we asked them a few innocent questions,
19:56 and I want to ask them what answer they gave.
19:59 What did Shahid Khadr and Abbas say?
20:01 Is it a problem to be a son-in-law or not?
20:03 If Nawaz Sharif is getting this impression, or the opposition is giving such a response that he is the son-in-law of today,
20:08 is it a bad impression for him?
20:11 It is a problem to be a son-in-law or not.
20:14 Both sides are fighting.
20:17 Mariam Nawaz Sharif Sahiba said this 5 months ago,
20:21 she says that I will not let Shahid Khadr and Abbas go to the party, there is no question.
20:24 I cannot agree with the position of my party.
20:28 I am sorry to say this.
20:30 What do you mean by the position of your party?
20:32 The way the party is going to the elections,
20:37 it is very different from the way it was in the past.
20:40 The people who are standing on the stage today,
20:42 tell them what they have done to end the injustice they have done to Mian Nawaz Sharif for 16 months.
20:50 So, there are two or three things that I cannot agree with.
20:57 I asked the people who are standing on the stage with Mian Nawaz Sharif,
20:59 I cannot repeat the whole story, I have played a clip.
21:02 I asked them, you are the leader, you did not go to the stage for the reception.
21:05 They said a lot of things, one of them was that
21:08 why did they not say that Nawaz Sharif is a terrorist.
21:13 As far as Abbasi is concerned,
21:19 we did not do anything for Nawaz Sharif in the 16 month rule.
21:25 This is correct.
21:27 And it is also correct that the facilitation was there at that time,
21:32 when we said that we are helpless in the government,
21:36 and Imran Khan's facilitation is there.
21:39 Then on 9th and 10th May, those things came out.
21:42 And being a government without power,
21:46 it was not possible that you could take justice.
21:51 Yes, it is true that there was an effort at that time,
21:55 the team that was there, or the Muslim League team that was working at that time,
22:01 in the national government,
22:03 their effort was that Pakistan which is going to be departed,
22:06 at least we can save it.
22:09 We could do only one thing,
22:12 that in 16 months we saved Pakistan from being departed.
22:16 If we talk about performance,
22:19 I myself keep saying that unfortunately,
22:25 all the Jamaats together were unsuccessful in making Pakistan in 2017.
22:30 Maybe the reason for that was only one,
22:32 which was not Nawaz Sharif.
22:34 So if Nawaz Sharif says that where my Jamaat is standing,
22:37 I am not convinced,
22:39 do you agree with him or disagree with him?
22:42 Look, there are many things,
22:47 which I also have a point of view,
22:51 but there are many things which cannot be done publicly.
22:55 And there are many things which we could have done,
23:00 but the circumstances did not allow it.
23:04 Or you can say that,
23:07 if we had been a national Jamaat,
23:10 and we had seen our acceptance,
23:13 which we have lost,
23:15 if we had saved that acceptance,
23:17 the state would not have been saved.
23:19 If we had saved the state,
23:21 I am absolutely clear that national Jamaats are formed
23:24 to be sacrificed on the state.
23:27 But unfortunately, in 75 years,
23:29 there was no sacrifice on the state,
23:32 and people saw the sacrifice on the state in 9th and 10th,
23:35 that to be sacrificed on themselves,
23:38 they had to sacrifice the state,
23:40 but no one was ready to lose their acceptance.
23:43 Let me tell you one last time,
23:45 the People's Party says that the Noon League
23:48 always gives an impression,
23:50 and is still doing so,
23:52 that the institutions are with them,
23:54 although the institutions are not with them.
23:56 The Noon League is giving political support to the institutions,
23:59 but you are giving the impression that you are a democratic Jamaat.
24:02 The People's Party is saying that
24:05 the institutions are not with them,
24:08 and they are right in saying that.
24:11 And we say this with a firm heart,
24:14 that may God help us,
24:17 to get out of the limits of the constitution.
24:20 If they are not with you,
24:22 then why are they selling the impression
24:24 that they are with us?
24:26 They are saying in the same breath
24:29 that the institutions are not with them,
24:31 but the Noon League is giving the impression that they are with us.
24:34 So if they are not with you,
24:36 then why are they giving the impression that they are with you?
24:39 If they get the impression,
24:42 then they can say it,
24:44 and we can apologize for it.
24:46 What kind of a way is this?
24:48 You have nothing to say,
24:50 so you can just say this,
24:52 or you can just say it to someone.
24:54 This is not appropriate.
24:56 We have worked together for 16 months.
24:58 There are certain rules,
25:00 and certain traditions.
25:02 At least you...
25:04 I thought you were going to say the same thing.
25:06 That there are certain things.
25:08 No, I am not saying that.
25:11 I am saying that you have been in power in Sindh for 15 years,
25:16 and you have been in the centre for a long time.
25:19 Similarly, the Muslim League Noon League
25:21 has been in power in Punjab for a long time,
25:24 and has been in the centre for a long time.
25:26 We can tell them our activities,
25:28 and they can tell us their activities.
25:30 They should know that we did this at this time,
25:33 and if we get a chance,
25:35 we will do more than this.
25:37 You can tell us your activities,
25:39 and people can decide.
25:41 Thank you very much, sir.
25:43 Thank you very much, Javed Latif.
25:45 The scales have not been weighed today,
25:47 even though the decision has been made.
25:49 We will see who will give the final verdict.
25:51 Nawaz Sharif will start the election campaign
25:54 after the decision of Al Azizia.
25:57 Remember, there are 70 days left in the election.
25:59 He is sure that the elections will not be held on 8th February,
26:01 but the election campaign will start
26:03 after the decision of Al Azizia.
26:05 Javed Latif has said a lot of important things at this time.
26:07 After a break, another important topic.
26:09 Imran Khan himself has decided
26:11 that he will not be the chairman of PTI.
26:13 What happened? Why did this happen? How did this happen?
26:15 Yesterday, a party leader said this in our program.
26:17 He said that he will not be the chairman.
26:19 And his news was proved to be true.
26:21 But the party denied him.
26:23 What happened?
26:25 Mr. Khan's spokesperson on legal affairs,
26:27 Mr. Manchod Azam will be with us after the break.
26:29 The situation is very interesting
26:31 in terms of the leadership of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
26:33 In short, the election commission of Pakistan
26:35 has said to Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf
26:37 that you have to hold the elections
26:39 within this period,
26:41 otherwise you may lose the election.
26:43 Yesterday, Imran Khan met with his lawyers.
26:45 He said that the situation is different now.
26:47 It is not that simple.
26:49 The election commission has said that
26:51 you have to hold the elections again.
26:53 But you have not been in the position of punishment.
26:55 You have been given a verdict against you.
26:57 Even though the verdict has been delayed.
26:59 But the verdict has not been delayed.
27:01 So, it is not that you are fighting for the chairman's election
27:03 and the election commission will cancel the election.
27:05 So, what happened?
27:07 The matter started with the leadership of Mr. Sheraz Marwad.
27:09 He said in a media interview that
27:11 Mr. Khan will not fight for the next election.
27:13 He said that he will not be the chairman.
27:15 He said that.
27:17 Who will be the chairman?
27:19 It remained a question.
27:21 The next thing that happened was that
27:23 the Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf's translation
27:25 gave the press release that
27:27 all these things are wrong and nothing like that.
27:29 Ali Muhammad Khan tweeted that
27:31 he is the chairman and only Imran Khan.
27:33 Then, Mr. Marwad took a step forward
27:35 and took the name of the chairman.
27:37 We did not take the name,
27:39 he confirmed it.
27:41 He said that this matter is
27:43 the verdict of the election commission
27:45 and the intraparty election.
27:47 We do not expect that the court will give us a stay.
27:49 So, we will have to go to the intraparty election.
27:51 But,
27:53 it is not appropriate to say
27:55 that you will not be able to qualify.
27:57 After that, Mr. Khan
27:59 chose a name
28:01 which was final.
28:03 You said that the verdict is of one name.
28:05 I am saying that that one name
28:07 according to our small sources
28:09 is Barrister Gauhar.
28:11 Am I saying right?
28:13 Yes, Mr. Khan said that
28:15 Mr. Gauhar
28:17 will be the candidate
28:19 for the party chairman.
28:21 All these things happened.
28:23 That is why we have given
28:25 a lot of trouble to Mr. Naveen Mazhar Pinchotas
28:27 who is the translator of PTA.
28:29 Thank you very much for your time.
28:31 Thank you very much.
28:33 We have with us a senior lawyer
28:35 of course, a former Attorney General of Pakistan
28:37 Mr. Khadir.
28:39 Assalam-o-Alaikum.
28:41 Wa-alaikum-Salam.
28:43 Sir, if you allow me,
28:45 I will start with Mr. Pinchotas
28:47 and then come to you.
28:49 Okay, go ahead.
28:51 First, tell us
28:53 what Mr. Marwad said
28:55 wrong yesterday.
28:57 Why did the party pressurize you?
28:59 Thank you very much, Mr. Wasim.
29:01 First, I would like to request
29:03 that the statement of Mr. Marwad
29:05 should be kept in the meeting
29:07 with Mr. Ali Zafar, Mr. Omair,
29:09 Mr. Marwad, Mr. Shoaib Shaheen.
29:11 All these people were present.
29:13 There was a discussion
29:15 on this issue.
29:17 Mr. Khan also spoke about it today.
29:19 The disqualification issue is pending.
29:21 Okay.
29:23 When we discussed the issue,
29:25 we also discussed
29:27 the name of Mr. Gauhar.
29:29 We discussed the kind of
29:31 process we should follow
29:33 to ensure that the issue is resolved.
29:35 Mr. Marwad came and spoke.
29:37 Then, PTI officials tweeted
29:39 about the same issue.
29:41 All night, these things were
29:43 being circulated on social media
29:45 and in all the programs.
29:47 This is the issue.
29:49 Who is Tarjuman PTI?
29:51 Tarjuman PTI is
29:53 Mr. Shoaib Shaheen,
29:55 but mostly,
29:57 Mr. Rao Fasan.
29:59 Mr. Marwad said that
30:01 he will take the responsibility.
30:03 Mr. Gauhar is also Tarjuman.
30:05 Okay.
30:07 What was the name of the press release yesterday?
30:09 He did not write the name.
30:11 The press release was published yesterday.
30:13 All these things were being circulated
30:15 all night.
30:17 When we met,
30:19 we kept all these things in front of Mr. Khan.
30:21 When did you meet?
30:23 Today.
30:25 You told us about your own meeting.
30:27 We met and did not tell them.
30:29 We had received the news.
30:31 Mr. Khan said
30:33 that this is how
30:35 it is being circulated.
30:37 All these things are being circulated.
30:39 In Islamabad High Court,
30:41 we have a request
30:43 which is fixed for tomorrow morning.
30:45 In which,
30:47 we have requested to suspend the order.
30:49 Before that,
30:51 I am sorry, I am mispronouncing.
30:53 The punishment for Tosha Khana has been postponed.
30:55 The decision has been postponed.
30:57 If the request is accepted,
30:59 you can go to the Supreme Court.
31:01 If the request is accepted,
31:03 then officially,
31:05 I will issue a written statement against Mr. Khan.
31:07 Because in today's date,
31:09 he has only one crime.
31:11 The first of the cypher has started again.
31:13 All these things that were being circulated,
31:15 Mr. Khan specifically asked Mr. Khosa
31:17 to give a statement on it.
31:19 Because all those statements
31:21 were being made.
31:23 And because the matter is pending,
31:25 it will be better to wait for it.
31:27 So, that statement will be issued.
31:29 Okay?
31:31 It would have been better
31:33 if he had not given a statement.
31:35 I asked him.
31:37 And if the decision would have been made tomorrow,
31:39 then everything would have been clear.
31:41 Tomorrow, either your appeal would have been accepted,
31:43 then the matter would have been over.
31:45 Or if you would have refused,
31:47 then Mr. Gowd would have come.
31:49 If all these activities would have been done
31:51 tomorrow afternoon,
31:53 then the matter would have been over.
31:55 I am not saying that the court
31:57 takes any political influence.
31:59 But everyone knows that the PTI
32:01 is mentally prepared.
32:03 The court should decide on the merit.
32:05 Our problem is that whenever
32:07 a case is pending in Islamabad,
32:09 you have seen that the decision
32:11 was secured in the name of Nawaz Sharif.
32:13 So, the decision is only secured
32:15 for the PTI, for Mr. Imran Khan.
32:17 We will go in the morning
32:19 and we hope that the decision
32:21 will be suspended.
32:23 And if the decision is suspended,
32:25 then the matter of disqualification
32:27 will also be over.
32:29 So, if this announcement would have been made
32:31 tomorrow, then everything would have been better.
32:33 There would have been no confusion.
32:35 If we talk about confusion,
32:37 then this is the internal matter of the party.
32:39 If one person's statement has been made,
32:41 then this statement has been made,
32:43 and then the second one has been made.
32:45 Then when Mr. Khan has got to know
32:47 everything again,
32:49 then we have come and given a statement.
32:51 So, let's see what happens in the morning.
32:53 Today, when I am talking to you,
32:55 the chairman of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
32:57 Mr. Maharashtra Gauhar,
32:59 what is the date today?
33:01 You have heard the announcement
33:03 till today.
33:05 So, it's been ten days.
33:07 And when Mr. Khan
33:09 talked to us today,
33:11 his name is a very powerful man.
33:13 Let's suppose for a moment
33:15 that the decision will come in your favor.
33:17 Then, this debate will end.
33:19 And then the chairman of PTI,
33:21 Mr. Imran Khan will be the next.
33:23 Is this right?
33:25 Yes.
33:27 Let's suppose for a moment
33:29 that the decision will not come in your favor.
33:31 Then, Mr. Gauhar will be the next chairman.
33:33 The nomination process is still going on.
33:35 What will happen to Mr. Khan?
33:37 The party will give a statement
33:39 on its own.
33:41 No, nothing like this has been decided.
33:43 Mr. Irfan, are you with me?
33:45 Yes, I am with you.
33:47 Sir, tell me one thing.
33:49 In your opinion,
33:51 was this a big legal challenge
33:53 for Mr. Imran Khan
33:55 that a wrong punishment has been given?
33:57 So, he has saved himself
33:59 so that he does not fight the election of the chairman.
34:01 Obviously, if he had won,
34:03 the election commission would have taken the decision.
34:05 And add to this,
34:07 I have a question for you about Mr. Nawaz Sharif's case.
34:09 In today's date,
34:11 in the same case,
34:13 the decision is not in your favor.
34:15 Suppose, the decision is in your favor.
34:17 Then, Mr. Khan is eligible to fight the election.
34:19 Is this the case?
34:21 Look, if a party chairman
34:23 is not eligible,
34:25 then he is not eligible to be a party chairman.
34:27 And the decision that the Supreme Court gave,
34:29 I had said then also
34:31 that this decision is wrong by the Supreme Court.
34:33 And you cannot
34:35 make a party chairman
34:37 so unqualified
34:39 that he is not eligible
34:41 to be a party chairman.
34:43 So, all these decisions are wrong by the Supreme Court.
34:45 I think that
34:47 they should either revisit the case
34:49 or the Parliament
34:51 or the government
34:53 should take a definite stand
34:55 and say that
34:57 we will not accept such decisions.
34:59 So, you are saying that
35:01 it would be wrong
35:03 if Mr. Khan,
35:05 or anyone else,
35:07 if Mr. Nawaz Sharif and Mr. Khan
35:09 are not eligible to be party chairmen,
35:11 then it is wrong in your opinion.
35:13 Yes, when Mr. Nawaz Sharif
35:15 was told that
35:17 party chairmen cannot be elected,
35:19 that decision was also wrong.
35:21 And it was practically wrong
35:23 because when he was told that
35:25 he cannot be a party chairman,
35:27 he was still a part of the party.
35:29 And Mr. Khan is still there.
35:31 Such decisions should not be given to the courts
35:33 which are in a way
35:35 in line with the reality
35:37 of the Supreme Court.
35:39 Okay, interesting.
35:41 And sir,
35:43 the case of Mr. Nawaz Sharif
35:45 which has been closed,
35:47 is there any possibility that
35:49 the case of Mr. Nawaz Sharif
35:51 which has been closed,
35:53 or any other case
35:55 which is going to be closed
35:57 at a higher level,
35:59 which in this case
36:01 is the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
36:03 or Mr. Badami, Mr. Qadir,
36:05 Mr. Pinchad,
36:07 Mr. Kessam Hudaibah,
36:09 and the Supreme Court calls for it,
36:11 tomorrow morning or after 10 years,
36:13 and asks Mr. Nair,
36:15 how did you close this case?
36:17 Is this possible or is this case
36:19 over for Abany Field?
36:21 Look, if you put forward
36:23 pure legal considerations,
36:25 the day this Panama case was decided,
36:27 I saw that decision.
36:29 And I said at that time
36:31 that the Supreme Court
36:33 cannot investigate,
36:35 cannot make a case,
36:37 neither has the Supreme Court
36:39 been asked by any of the parties
36:41 to make a case of JIT.
36:43 The Supreme Court cannot monitor
36:45 the prosecution,
36:47 the Supreme Court cannot
36:49 take the functions of NAP
36:51 in its own hands and say
36:53 to NAP that the NAP should be made
36:55 the chair of the Supreme Court
36:57 and that you will file a reference.
36:59 All these things that the Supreme Court
37:01 did, I said at the same time
37:03 that the day this decision
37:05 was made, I am saying this
37:07 with confidence that the decision
37:09 of the Supreme Court of Panama
37:11 was wrong and the decision
37:13 of the Accountability Court
37:15 was not even made, it was done
37:17 under the pressure of the Supreme Court
37:19 and NAP had not even made this case,
37:21 so all these things were not
37:23 legally correct, I said it then
37:25 and I am saying it now.
37:27 Hence, this can never be discussed
37:29 on any legal platform after today
37:31 because of the mentioned reasons.
37:33 Is that correct?
37:35 [Anchor] Listen, till you
37:37 bring consensus oriented courts,
37:39 you will not change the forms of
37:41 the judiciary of Pakistan,
37:43 of the Supreme Court and the High Court
37:45 and the consensus should be
37:47 the consensus of all political parties
37:49 in the future parliament,
37:51 in which PMLN, PTI, People's Party,
37:53 till their consensus
37:55 does not form the courts,
37:57 Supreme Court and High Court
37:59 and till their consensus
38:01 does not make the laws
38:03 of the judiciary of Pakistan,
38:05 the legitimacy of the judiciary
38:07 and the courts in Pakistan
38:09 will always be in question.
38:11 [Hassan] Now, there is a whole
38:13 debate of judicial reforms, appointment
38:15 of judges, I know, if I ask you
38:17 Sir, what are you saying that
38:19 Noon League and People's Party
38:21 and these people are judges,
38:23 you will say that what does not happen
38:25 in America, that Sadr, etc.
38:27 But now, in this academic debate,
38:29 without going further,
38:31 in the next few days, legally speaking,
38:33 that Nawaz Sharif Sir will be acquitted?
38:35 [Sadhguru] I have already said that
38:37 he will be acquitted, and I will tell you
38:39 the reason, that it is clearly written
38:41 in the constitution that no one is to be
38:43 prosecuted or punished more than once
38:45 for the same offence.
38:47 Judge has issued orders that
38:49 three referees should file a map in the chair.
38:51 The basics of the law
38:53 were reversed at that time.
38:55 So, this is a case of acquittal.
38:57 [Hassan] Ok, and in this,
38:59 you do not think that
39:01 more hearing will be required, legally speaking?
39:03 [Sadhguru] There is no need.
39:05 This was decided on the day
39:07 of Maryam Nawaz's case.
39:09 In fact, I think that
39:11 if they had heard the case of Mr. Mian,
39:13 then the matter would have been over.
39:15 [Hassan] Thank you, sir.
39:17 Thank you very much.
39:19 So, these are two big cases,
39:21 interesting cases.
39:23 If Mr. Gauhar also comes,
39:25 Mr. Khan will give the tickets
39:27 to the next round.
39:29 [Gauhar] I would like to say
39:31 that the Pakistan Law and Justice
39:33 and the core committee,
39:35 all the matters, all the lists,
39:37 everything is ready.
39:39 And with Mr. Khan and all the discussion,
39:41 God willing, this will happen.
39:43 But the most important thing at this time
39:45 is the free and fair election,
39:47 which we are not seeing.
39:49 [Hassan] You are seeing it happening,
39:51 not just in the open.
39:53 The National Commission has just said
39:55 that who was saying that it was the last one,
39:57 who was saying wrong.
39:59 Is this the pressure of the press?
40:01 [Gauhar] Yes, I have seen it.
40:03 And they have done a good job in this.
40:05 But the implementation on this,
40:07 along with this, should also be done
40:09 that all the communities,
40:11 as they wrote a letter to the Prime Minister
40:13 of Pakistan, that they are demanding
40:15 a level playing field,
40:17 we are not being given a field.
40:19 And if you look at the other side,
40:21 then the field is the field.
40:23 If we talk about the Tosha Khana case,
40:25 then in August, Mr. Khan's appeal
40:27 was filed, which is not yet fixed.
40:29 And if you look at the other side,
40:31 then it will be filed.
40:33 In this Tosha Khana case,
40:35 Mr. Khan's appeal, we have given a CM
40:37 in which the order has been requested
40:39 to be suspended.
40:41 So that is fixed for tomorrow.
40:43 [Hassan] Tomorrow is a very important day for you.
40:45 [Gauhar] It is a very important day,
40:47 but the way we see it here,
40:49 that it has come to one side.
40:51 That they can be on any forum,
40:53 whether it is the government
40:55 or the court, then it is free.
40:57 But in the eyes of the community,
40:59 it is not free in the eyes of the community.
41:01 The receipts have not yet been given.
41:03 [Hassan] Who has called the Tohin Election Commission?
41:05 [Gauhar] Look, the first thing is that
41:07 the Election Commission is not a court.
41:09 The Tohin Election Commission cannot
41:11 investigate the Tohin Election Commission.
41:13 Now, the investigation of the Tohin Election Commission
41:15 has been carried out, when an institution
41:17 does not have the authority,
41:19 then it is not possible to use the authority.
41:21 It is not possible to use the authority
41:23 by going beyond the authority.
41:25 Like the notification has been issued.
41:27 [Hassan] So tomorrow you have to go
41:29 and challenge the election of Kiran?
41:31 [Gauhar] No, no, no, no, no, no,
41:33 the election has been challenged.
41:35 The issue is pending in the Lahore High Court.
41:37 But the thing is that here,
41:39 only the proceedings where
41:41 Imran Khan's name will be mentioned
41:43 or his party's name will be mentioned,
41:45 the place where Sharif's name will be mentioned,
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