11th Hour | Waseem Badami | ARY News | 6th December 2023
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Waseem Badami
Guests:
- Chaudhry Shafay Hussain PMLNQ
- Faisal Karim Kundi PPP
- Maulana Hafiz Hamdullah Saboor JUIF
- Kamran Tessori (Governor Sindh)
- Maulana Tahir Mehmood Ashrafi (Chairman of Pakistan Ulema Council)
- Allama Raja Nasir Abbas Jafri (Majlis-e-Wahdat-ul-Muslimeen)
Nawaz Sharif ki Chaudhry Shuja'at ke ghar aamad
Faisal Karim Kundi's reaction on Maulana Fazal-ur-Rehman Statement
Elections kabhi bhi hon, JUI-F election ke liye tayar hain: Hafiz Hamdullah
Mayor Karachi Murtaza Wahab se wajuhat poochin, Abhi tak jawab nahi aya: Kamran Tessori
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Waseem Badami
Guests:
- Chaudhry Shafay Hussain PMLNQ
- Faisal Karim Kundi PPP
- Maulana Hafiz Hamdullah Saboor JUIF
- Kamran Tessori (Governor Sindh)
- Maulana Tahir Mehmood Ashrafi (Chairman of Pakistan Ulema Council)
- Allama Raja Nasir Abbas Jafri (Majlis-e-Wahdat-ul-Muslimeen)
Nawaz Sharif ki Chaudhry Shuja'at ke ghar aamad
Faisal Karim Kundi's reaction on Maulana Fazal-ur-Rehman Statement
Elections kabhi bhi hon, JUI-F election ke liye tayar hain: Hafiz Hamdullah
Mayor Karachi Murtaza Wahab se wajuhat poochin, Abhi tak jawab nahi aya: Kamran Tessori
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Transcript
00:00 [Music]
00:15 Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim, Assalamu Alaikum.
00:17 There are many great ups and downs and many innocent questions in Pakistan's politics.
00:24 Today you must have seen a news, it was supposed to be a one-sided news but there are many stories behind it.
00:30 That Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif Sahib himself left.
00:33 Mr. Chaudhary Shujaat Hussain Sahib is at our home, this is his first story.
00:37 And we have met Chaudhary Shujaat Hussain Sahib after 15 years.
00:44 The last time we met him was a moment of celebration.
00:48 Otherwise, it has been more than 20 years, after 22 decades, this is the first time we have met.
00:54 Because the last time we met was only a moment of celebration.
00:57 That means Chaudhary Shujaat was an important member of Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif Sahib's team.
01:01 In fact, Chaudhary Shujaat has written his book, "Sach To Ye Hai".
01:04 I was also present at the event of that book.
01:08 In that book, Chaudhary Sahib has written many incidents.
01:10 In fact, Chaudhary Sahib, in a way, the first position he took was that of the Ministry of Finance.
01:17 Chaudhary Shujaat Sahib writes that Governor Jilani Sahib had nominated him.
01:21 You must have seen that Khan Sahib also taunts that Mr. Nawaz Sharif has come from here and what taunts he gives us.
01:27 So Governor Jilani Sahib nominated Nawaz Sharif Sahib, Chaudhary Shujaat Sahib writes in his book.
01:31 And before nominating, he took the trust of Shujaat Sahib.
01:35 And then this debate arose that because all the ministers before him were from the Dehi areas.
01:40 So the debate arose that he is from the urban areas, so he should be the minister or not.
01:44 And Chaudhary Shujaat Sahib says that I said something after which this debate ended.
01:48 After that, Nawaz Sharif became the minister.
01:50 And I said that was Qaid-e-Azam from the Dehi or the urban areas?
01:53 After that, this debate ended and Nawaz Sharif became the minister.
01:58 But then Shujaat Sahib writes that there is a lot of uproar and downfall.
02:01 When Benazir Sahiba's government came in 1988, he says that Benazir Sahiba proposed me to become the minister.
02:07 Nawaz Sharif said that in this way, Benazir Sahiba's government will come in Punjab as well.
02:11 So you must reject this offer. I rejected this offer.
02:14 And Nawaz Sharif Sahib promised me that when I will become the minister, I will make you the minister.
02:19 After two years, Nawaz Sharif became the minister.
02:21 But the minister did not make me.
02:23 In fact, Nawaz Sharif said that I will make your brother Parvez Elahi Sahib.
02:28 But he did not make me.
02:29 He did not make Parvez Elahi Sahib either.
02:31 And made Shahbaz Sharif Sahib the minister.
02:34 So anyway, then the coup of 1999 happened and after that, of course, a completely different path was taken.
02:40 Kaaf and Noon Likhi.
02:41 And today we have met again.
02:43 How much will go ahead, what will happen, we know.
02:46 Today's meeting is also present.
02:49 Pakistan Muslim League's senior leader, Secretary General, Mr. Chaudhry Shafay is with us.
02:57 Huzoor, Assalamualaikum.
02:59 Walikum Assalam.
03:01 Sir, are you well?
03:02 I am fine. How are you, Mr. Waseem?
03:05 Sir, Alhamdulillah. Thank you very much for giving me time.
03:07 Sir, first tell me, is this news okay or is it just two from the National Assembly and three from the Subahi Assembly?
03:15 No, absolutely wrong news is going on.
03:17 Okay.
03:18 We have also given a rebuttal two to three hours ago.
03:20 There was no talk of two or three seats in this meeting.
03:23 This is a meeting between Nawaz Sharif Sahib and Shraddh Sahib after 15 years.
03:30 Yes, yes.
03:31 Nawaz Sharif Sahib came to the mother's house of Shraddh Shahid Hussain Sahib.
03:40 Yes.
03:41 And after that, this political meeting and meeting like this took place after 15 years.
03:47 And where the seat adjustment is concerned, there, what we have decided from the beginning,
03:54 that eight seats will be on the seat adjustment of the Punjab Assembly and four to five seats on the National Assembly.
04:01 This has been decided from the beginning.
04:03 And apart from this, four months ago, Azad Meed Barg also joined our party.
04:10 From Jhang, from Gujranwala, who had taken good votes in the last elections.
04:15 And our total focus is on 15 to 20 seats in Punjab.
04:21 And we are working in KPK as well.
04:24 And we will also have our contest in Sindh.
04:29 So, you are saying, if I understood correctly, then you will tell that five seats for the National Assembly and eight seats for Punjab.
04:34 The matter is already decided on this.
04:36 But as a whole, it is a matter of 20 seats from the Noon League to the extent of Punjab.
04:41 Not five, which is being discussed. Am I right?
04:44 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
04:45 I am saying that eight seats were already spread in Punjab.
04:49 And four to five seats for the National Assembly have already been decided.
04:55 Apart from this, I am saying that when the election schedule is announced on the remaining seats,
05:00 then the other seats will also be discussed.
05:03 And it is possible that there may be an open election in some circles.
05:07 Yes, that means, what is going on in the news is that two nationals and three provinces.
05:12 That is, this is discussed in five.
05:13 You are saying it is completely wrong.
05:15 Eight seats for Punjab and five seats for the National Assembly.
05:19 At least 13 have already been decided.
05:21 The National Assembly and the Province of Punjab.
05:23 So, is this your wish or your proposal or is it what is agreed upon?
05:29 On which the Noon League has also agreed.
05:31 Which is agreed on even before today's meeting.
05:34 Even before today's meeting it was agreed upon?
05:37 Yes.
05:38 Okay, very interesting.
05:40 But sir, in this, the Noon League's own people, of course, it is their problem.
05:43 But I am asking, won't it be a big problem for them?
05:46 Because their own people will be upset.
05:48 They will expect their own tickets that the party will give them tickets.
05:50 No, if there is such a thing, then it can be discussed.
05:58 There is no issue in this.
06:01 But I am telling you that this is a matter of two or three seats.
06:04 This is wrong.
06:06 There was no such thing.
06:07 Okay, and since it is going on everywhere, you told a very interesting thing.
06:10 And when the election will come ahead in Punjab, you will say that it can be discussed.
06:16 So, sir, did the Noon League express this desire at any stage that the party should be included in the Kaaf League?
06:23 No, it has never been mentioned till date.
06:25 Neither did the Noon League mention it to us, nor did a proposal come from us.
06:28 And neither did we intend to be included with any party.
06:32 The Pakistan Muslim League will maintain its separate identity.
06:38 And our election target is a tractor.
06:43 The election target will be a tractor?
06:46 Yes.
06:47 So, why not a cycle?
06:50 Cycle was there in the last election.
06:52 Cycle was there in the last election as well.
06:55 And even now, all the symbols in the ECP are gay.
07:00 So, we proposed a tractor.
07:03 And the sign of the tractor was approved by us.
07:07 But you don't think that this is okay.
07:08 In the last election, obviously, whatever arrangements were made with PTI.
07:11 But your identity is not much about the cycle.
07:14 You didn't try to make that sign.
07:15 The identity of the party registered in the Pakistan Muslim League is okay.
07:19 After that, our candidates are working in their circles on the symbol of the tractor.
07:26 Even my younger brother and I have started a campaign from Gujarat.
07:32 I have a plan to get an MPA from there.
07:35 We have already started a campaign there.
07:37 And we have started a campaign on the symbol of the tractor.
07:40 And will you be standing on the Subahi or Kaumi?
07:42 I will be standing on the MPA in Punjab.
07:46 And your opponent will not be standing on that?
07:49 The one who will stand will be there.
07:52 I am preparing for the day and night.
07:55 But your opponent will be there in the seats that will be renovated.
07:58 Yes, he is there in these 8 seats.
08:02 I have spoken to him before.
08:04 It is possible that he will come from another party.
08:07 And this election with Parvez Elahi is practically impossible.
08:18 He joined his own party.
08:23 So, now Parvez Elahi is the only Muslim League member.
08:30 And what about Chaudhary Sarwar?
08:34 Chaudhary Sarwar has returned from England.
08:38 He has a meeting with us tomorrow.
08:40 Chaudhary Sarwar is not a member of the Muslim League.
08:43 He is the Chief Organizer of Pakistan and President of the Muslim League Punjab.
08:49 And he has not shown his desire to leave your party and join PTI?
08:54 Because this was coming in the news in the last few days.
08:56 No, no. All the news has ended because Chaudhary Sarwar is in the Muslim League.
09:01 And he has decided to continue here?
09:04 Yes, he has decided to continue here.
09:06 And last but not least...
09:07 Apart from this, Tariq Mushi Cheema is coming from Bahawalpur.
09:10 And we are preparing for the elections from Jhang.
09:14 And from different districts.
09:17 We are also working in KPK.
09:20 The President of the Gujranwala Division, Abid Raza, has written a statement.
09:23 He has given a statement that if the party does this,
09:26 then more than two or three seats will be given to the PM.
09:28 No, Abid Raza is from the Gujranwala Division.
09:30 He has come from Kotla.
09:34 Yes.
09:35 He was elected from Gujrat in the last election, right?
09:38 Around 81,000 people.
09:39 Yes, he was elected from Kotla, which is another state.
09:44 Okay.
09:45 And, sir, last but not the least,
09:47 before taking you, I was telling you how the history of PM is,
09:51 of Nawaz Sharif and Shujaad.
09:54 Shujaad has written in his book how he felt betrayed by Niamh Mahmood Nawaz Sharif.
09:58 Are you positive that...
10:00 That is 15 years old.
10:02 Things keep changing in politics.
10:04 The state's agenda changes.
10:05 So, this is a matter of 10-15 years old.
10:10 In politics, there are alliances with the parties.
10:15 If there is a one-man show, then there is no alliance with any party.
10:19 And I think that in the coming elections,
10:22 there will be alliances with the parties.
10:24 And everyone should work together for the country, for the economy.
10:29 And now, I think that...
10:31 I am joking.
10:32 Now, I think that even the ministers of the previous parties,
10:38 be it the PTI or whoever,
10:40 everyone should come forward and tell what they did in their own ministries.
10:43 In the general elections in 2024,
10:45 Noon League and Kaaf League,
10:47 that is, Nawaz Sharif and Shujaad are together in the election politics.
10:50 There will be some seat adjustments in some seats.
10:53 In some seats, it seems that an open election will take place.
10:56 Thank you very much, sir.
10:57 Thank you very much.
10:58 Very interesting, Mr. Shafay is telling us.
11:01 Mr. Chaudhary Shafay Hussain,
11:02 contrary to the perception that is going on in the news today,
11:05 that there were seat adjustments for two Kaumis and three Subais.
11:10 There are five in total.
11:11 He says that this is just not the case.
11:13 Five for the Kaumis and eight for the Subais,
11:16 that is, 13.
11:17 Not five, but 13, but the matters have been decided.
11:20 Noon League will support us in that.
11:22 The rest of the people are also talking about it.
11:24 If the election schedule comes, then they will do it.
11:26 But it has been decided.
11:27 And you have heard everything else.
11:28 He is also saying about Chaudhary Sarwar that it was completely wrong news
11:31 that he is leaving the party.
11:34 It is not like that.
11:35 In fact, he is not going to the PTI at all.
11:37 In fact, he is included.
11:38 He will be a part of the same.
11:40 Moving forward, we have with us, Mr. Chaudhary Abid.
11:43 Come on, let's try.
11:46 We will try if we can talk to him too.
11:48 So that he can talk about all this.
11:50 What is going on in the matter of the Muslim League Noon League.
11:53 We will try to talk about it.
11:55 Let's take a little break.
11:56 We will be back after the break.
12:03 Welcome back to our show.
12:04 Let's move on to our next story.
12:06 The general election is the biggest event in Pakistan.
12:09 And it will be held on 8th February.
12:12 Tomorrow is very important.
12:14 Why is it important?
12:15 Because the Election Commission of Pakistan wrote to the Secretary of Interior
12:19 that we have less than 2,77,000 Afghan soldiers and other security forces.
12:27 And we are told that we should answer this question before 7th December.
12:31 Tomorrow is 7th December.
12:33 So tomorrow we have to get an official answer.
12:36 Either the answer will be that 3.5 lakh people are available.
12:39 Of the Afghan and other forces.
12:41 In static and quick response force mode.
12:43 Or it will be that the situation is very bad.
12:45 It can't be like that.
12:46 Both situations will have their implications.
12:48 But the statements of Maulana Fadlur Rahman have also created a twist in the situation.
12:55 A very interesting situation.
12:58 Let's see the statements of Maulana Fadlur Rahman regarding the timing of the elections.
13:03 The people who live here or in Lahore, the atmosphere is peaceful.
13:08 But if you come to our camp and go to Balochistan,
13:12 you will see a completely different situation there.
13:15 And there is no hopeful person.
13:17 I have met my opponent hopeful person.
13:19 And he also tells me that we will not be able to run the campaign.
13:22 We are ready to go to the elections at any time.
13:25 But the atmosphere should be given for the elections, which is necessary for the elections.
13:30 And what is the atmosphere?
13:32 That two provinces are in a state of chaos at the moment.
13:35 Here in Lahore, the atmosphere cannot be given.
13:39 There is good and bad.
13:41 There is good and bad in Bahawalpur.
13:42 There is a good situation in Multan as well.
13:44 But come to our side.
13:46 If you are our guest, I will not let you leave the house after sunset.
13:50 So, can the election campaign be run in this situation?
13:54 This is a question.
13:56 It does not mean that we want to postpone the elections.
13:58 But the atmosphere should be given for the elections.
14:00 He himself says that it does not mean that we want to postpone the elections.
14:04 But what does it mean that the atmosphere should be given?
14:07 If the atmosphere is not given, then what?
14:09 People's Party has responded to this.
14:11 And of course, their senior leader, Secretary-General,
14:14 Professor Kareem Kundi has said this.
14:17 The situation in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan is very bad.
14:21 Even today, the Governor of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa is sitting in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
14:24 He should see this situation and rectify it.
14:27 So, this is the whole situation.
14:29 With us is the Secretary-General of Pakistan's Deepest Party,
14:31 Mr. Faisal Kareem Kundi.
14:33 And with us is the senior leader of Pakistan's PDM and Maulana's Party,
14:38 Mr. Hafiz Hamdullah.
14:41 I thank both of them for giving me time.
14:45 Mr. Hamdullah, tell us, are you taking the same impression from Mr. Maulana's statements
14:55 that he wants to postpone the elections?
14:57 Or do you think that he is saying that,
14:59 because he himself is saying it again and again,
15:01 that I am not saying to delay it, but I am saying to give a peaceful environment.
15:03 So, this is right, a peaceful environment is needed,
15:05 otherwise elections cannot be held in that way.
15:07 So, how do you interpret it?
15:09 Is he actually wanting to delay it, or is he just expressing his legitimate opinion?
15:13 In the name of Allah, I am sorry.
15:15 Look, from Mr. Maulana's statement,
15:17 I cannot tell you his interpretation,
15:19 because Mr. Maulana had said earlier that
15:21 the elections cannot be held in February due to snowfall.
15:25 Now he has expressed his concerns about the law and order,
15:27 which are his genuine concerns.
15:29 Mr. Wadahimi, when you were in the program,
15:31 there was a government, and we were saying at that time
15:33 that our conditions are deteriorating every day,
15:35 but no one took it seriously.
15:38 I was in my circle, and today I have come from my circle.
15:43 Our district presidents have been called by the administration,
15:46 in which the DPO and DC are present.
15:48 And I think they were called much earlier.
15:51 And there they said that all your party candidates will finish their campaign before evening.
15:57 We said that the campaign is held after evening,
15:59 and everyone is in their work before evening,
16:01 and the campaign is held after evening.
16:02 So, if the campaign is not held after evening,
16:04 then the law and order situation is generally,
16:07 I second Mr. Maulana's statement, that our area is deteriorating.
16:10 And this situation is now being solved by the administration or the police.
16:17 But this situation was bad in 2013 and 2018, when there was a threat.
16:21 In my area, there was a former MP candidate, who was martyred.
16:26 In Peshawar, you see, Mr. Billur was martyred.
16:28 In this way, the conditions in our province were already bad,
16:31 and there were things, but along with that, the governor also belongs to the JYC.
16:35 He should play a role in this.
16:37 I think he has been in my opinion for more than two years.
16:42 So, he should also be involved in this.
16:44 But there is one thing, have we gone to the root of this disease?
16:47 The war on terror that we fought, the peace and security that we had created,
16:51 the conditions that have deteriorated after that,
16:53 who were behind the deterioration?
16:56 Who did it? What was the reason?
16:58 Have we punished them?
17:00 If we haven't punished them, then we are also at fault.
17:03 And if we have kept quiet, then we are also at fault.
17:08 Why did this situation come to this?
17:10 Hamzullah, are you with us?
17:13 Yes, I am.
17:15 Hamzullah, we have heard the statement of the governor.
17:19 It is okay to say that you are being warned that the conditions are not suitable.
17:24 But you are not talking about the delay.
17:26 You are saying that whatever the circumstances, the election should be on 8th February.
17:30 You will oppose the delay of even one day.
17:34 Am I saying this right or not?
17:36 In the name of God, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
17:39 When did Maulana Sahib say that the election should not be on 8th February?
17:44 When did Maulana Sahib say that the election should be delayed?
17:48 Maulana Sahib has made two things clear.
17:52 It is the responsibility of the political leadership to make the election on time.
17:57 And as a result of that political leadership, he has fulfilled his responsibility.
18:01 And he has repeatedly said that there are two things.
18:04 One is the weather.
18:06 There are many areas in Khyber Pashtun Khawa.
18:11 There are many areas where people are moving towards cities due to heavy rains.
18:18 How will they cast their votes in the heavy rains and winters?
18:24 This is the same situation in Balochistan.
18:26 And there are many areas in Khyber Pashtun Khawa where this is the same situation.
18:30 The second thing that Maulana Sahib has done is to provide security.
18:35 He has given the environment for security.
18:38 There are different areas during the day.
18:41 People can go out during the day.
18:43 But after sunset or after evening, people cannot go out.
18:51 There is no government control there.
18:54 The people there are controlled.
18:56 So, Hamzallah Sahib, answer the questions that you have raised so that there is no confusion.
19:01 In fact, let's put the issue of security aside for now.
19:04 Whether there is a flood or not, but there will be snowfall, weather, and seasonal changes.
19:10 It will rain and snowfall.
19:12 So, what are you saying?
19:14 You are saying that the system is cut off because of the snowfall.
19:18 So, should there be no elections in those days?
19:20 The government should answer me.
19:22 The election commission should answer me.
19:24 If so many women are deprived of voting in a polling station,
19:33 then you stop the election results of that entire circle.
19:40 Why?
19:41 You have deprived women and voters of voting.
19:45 When thousands of people are deprived of voting in the name of the security of the environment,
19:55 then what is the responsibility of the law?
19:59 Then what is the responsibility of the institutions, especially the election commission and the administration?
20:03 What is your suggestion?
20:05 What is your suggestion while thinking about the weather?
20:08 I would like to say that the system is cut off.
20:11 So, what should the election commission and the administration do?
20:16 We have put this system in front of them.
20:19 The rest of the elections are on 8th February, 2nd February, 6th February, and 8th February.
20:24 All the Islamic scholars are ready for the elections.
20:27 Okay, stay with me for two more minutes, Hamzaullah.
20:29 Mr. Kundi, you also tell me,
20:31 there are some areas of the country that are cut off due to snowfall and weather changes.
20:38 What is the solution to this?
20:40 Let's say, Amna Aman, may Allah make it better.
20:43 But what will we do about the weather?
20:46 Mr. Badami, you remember that the election was held in February on the death of my wife.
20:50 When we were in the PDM's alliance,
20:53 we were telling our friends to focus on the 90-day election and the elections should be held according to the constitution.
20:58 If there were elections on the 90th day, then today, this snowfall, weather changes, whatever,
21:03 this is not an excuse.
21:04 You can call it an excuse or an actual position,
21:07 because there is definitely snowfall on the mountains.
21:09 There are areas in Balochistan and in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa where there is snowfall.
21:14 But if we had agreed at that time that there would have been elections on the 90th day,
21:18 and today the elections would have been held,
21:20 and we would not have had to see that the weather is bad here.
21:23 What should we do now?
21:25 Whatever is there now, I think we should live with it and start the elections.
21:30 And Mr. Hamdullah, is it right that the way Noor League is claiming that the next PM is Nawaz Sharif,
21:38 People's Party is also claiming the same thing.
21:40 I will say something, Mr. Kundi.
21:43 They are saying that if there were elections on the 90th day,
21:47 then this snowfall and this weather, these questions would not have arisen.
21:53 So tell me, Bilawal Butto was talking about the 90th day,
21:57 and Asif Ali Zardari was not talking about the 90th day.
22:00 He said, leave it on the election commission,
22:02 because we have to notify the Akka Banjee as well.
22:06 It will take three to four months.
22:08 Then the position of Asif Ali Zardari or Bilawal Butto,
22:12 whose position is right?
22:13 One was talking about the 90th day,
22:15 the other was talking about four months of snowfall.
22:17 Tell us, Mr. Kundi, if you are involved, tell us quickly.
22:20 Okay, we will say that Asif Ali Zardari's position is right.
22:23 There is an election in February, so get ready.
22:25 Whether it is snow or hail or rain,
22:28 we fought elections in Ramadan, we fought in winter,
22:30 we fought in summer as well.
22:31 We did not leave the field, and you never left it either.
22:33 Let's fight, let's see who wins.
22:35 And there should be free and fair elections.
22:37 Now let's leave it, whether it is snow or hail or rain or sun.
22:42 If it rains, then water comes.
22:43 If it rains more, then...
22:45 We have fought elections in all kinds of situations.
22:48 We fought elections in the martyrdom of Mouza Ahram.
22:50 There was an election in February.
22:52 We fought elections in the month of Ramadan.
22:54 We fought elections in the summer.
22:56 We fought elections in all kinds of situations.
22:58 Let's fight, whatever it is.
22:59 You are a nuclear state.
23:02 You cannot run an atomic country on a dock.
23:05 Let the elections happen.
23:06 Hamdullah Sahib, I hope you got the answer you wanted.
23:09 No, no, no, I am not saying that Mr. Kundi's answer is not correct.
23:14 Mr. Kundi is not in power. He is the election commissioner and the government's supervisor.
23:19 Who is going to give us security? Mr. Kundi will give us security.
23:23 No, he is agreeing with you on the matter of security.
23:27 But he is saying that...
23:28 Listen to me.
23:29 Please listen to me.
23:31 When 75 workers were martyred in Bajauwat, who was responsible?
23:36 Should I make a decision?
23:37 Should I make Mr. Kundi responsible?
23:39 Or should I make the government and the security personnel responsible?
23:42 Who is going to give me security?
23:44 My house, which has 2,000 or 3,000 people.
23:47 When you consider that, when I go out every night for the election,
23:52 I go out to the carnal meeting at 10 or 12 o'clock at night,
23:55 and you see the threat and the dangers,
23:59 and you see that the government is not in power,
24:02 the people are roaming around and the control is theirs,
24:04 you tell me, who is responsible?
24:06 Mr. Kundi is not responsible for this.
24:09 Mr. Murad, I have a question.
24:12 The election commission is responsible.
24:15 How can they provide security?
24:17 How can they provide security?
24:19 The cold is not on my side.
24:21 The weather is not on my side.
24:22 But if because of the cold,
24:24 thousands and millions of votes would have been deprived,
24:27 this law and order would not have been...
24:30 But you are not giving your suggestion.
24:31 The election commission has to act.
24:33 You are saying that it will be very cold,
24:35 a lot of voters will not be able to vote.
24:37 But you are either giving a suggestion
24:39 that move forward or not.
24:41 I have heard that whether it is the election commission or the government,
24:45 there is no one to be fooled,
24:47 they do not know what should happen.
24:50 I have just raised questions,
24:52 I have put the facts in front of them,
24:55 now they will know and their time will come.
24:57 If there are elections on 8th,
25:00 we are ready for October,
25:02 but if people are deprived of voting,
25:04 if the voters are martyred,
25:07 who is responsible for that?
25:09 Okay, Hamdullah sahib, last question.
25:11 Is it right that like Noor Likh is sure
25:13 that the next prime minister will be his leader,
25:15 your party is sure that the next president will be your leader?
25:18 Fazlur Rehman sahib?
25:19 I don't know.
25:21 But this is the opposite.
25:23 It will be his.
25:25 It will be his.
25:27 The talent is opposite.
25:30 I am asking about the leadership.
25:32 I am asking about the leadership.
25:34 I am asking about the leadership.
25:36 Okay, now quickly reconnect.
25:38 Okay, now quickly reconnect.
25:40 And Kundi sahib,
25:42 it is okay that if all this happens,
25:44 the election commission will be responsible.
25:46 What will you do?
25:48 Look, Badami sahib, I agree with him.
25:50 You tell me that a respected person was martyred,
25:52 thousands of our workers were martyred,
25:56 so what is the responsibility of the election commission?
25:59 We are not saying that we pray that Allah protects the workers of every party,
26:05 every leader, and that there are peaceful elections.
26:09 We are not saying that.
26:11 When the government was coming to our neighborhood,
26:15 who was celebrating then?
26:17 Today, those people who were saying that they will come here unarmed and there will be peace,
26:23 so today they are armed, so who should we be responsible for?
26:26 You tell me.
26:28 The young men of our security forces,
26:30 the young men of the police,
26:32 the friends of the media,
26:34 the civil society, the politicians,
26:38 and today we have reached here,
26:40 if we get ruined again,
26:42 then who should we be responsible for?
26:44 Hamdullah sahib,
26:46 Hamdullah sahib, this is the last question,
26:48 you tell me,
26:50 is the Noon League, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
26:52 is your party focused on the leadership of Moulana Wazir Azam?
26:57 No, no, no, I am not saying that there is no need to make him the Minister.
27:01 Six months ago, every party was saying that without him,
27:05 the Minister of the future will be without him.
27:08 Others said that the Minister of the future will be Mian sahib.
27:11 If I say that the President of the country can become Moulana,
27:14 if the President of the PDL can become,
27:16 if ten parties agree on that,
27:18 then the President of the country can also become,
27:20 if he can contest for Moulana Wazir Azam,
27:25 if he loses by one vote,
27:27 then can he become the President?
27:29 What is the problem?
27:31 Thank you very much.
27:33 Thank you both for the guests.
27:35 Hamdullah sahib, Faisal Kareem, Khundi sahib,
27:37 we will be back after a break.
27:39 Welcome.
27:46 What can I say?
27:47 Karachi is Pakistan's biggest city.
27:49 The biggest city in the world.
27:51 Today, it is again in the news,
27:53 in the headlines,
27:54 again because of negative reasons.
27:56 A city where the gutter is open,
27:58 and children fall and die.
28:00 And then not one incident happens,
28:02 then after a few days it happens again.
28:04 Then the second one doesn't happen,
28:06 then it happens again.
28:07 Then the third one doesn't happen,
28:09 then it happens again.
28:10 And then the mayor of the city says,
28:12 that have I stolen the gutter?
28:14 Is Salman stealing or the Deputy Mayor?
28:16 He is not stealing.
28:17 And then there is a city where so many mobile phones are stolen in a day,
28:20 and then his statement is strange.
28:22 A city where 12 days ago a shopping mall caught fire,
28:25 11 people died.
28:27 Today again a mall caught fire, 3 people died.
28:29 It is a strange situation.
28:31 But what are the other incidents today?
28:33 Governor Sindh is with us,
28:35 Mr. Kamran Kisori.
28:37 We were trying to contact the mayor,
28:39 but we could not.
28:41 Governor, you had also reached there.
28:43 Assalamu Alaikum, sir.
28:45 Governor, can you hear me?
28:47 Assalamu Alaikum.
28:48 Wa Alaikum Salam, I can hear you.
28:50 Sir, can you tell us what is happening now?
28:52 Is the death of 3 people confirmed in this incident?
28:55 Yes, absolutely.
28:57 3 people.
28:59 Allah is the best of planners.
29:01 We have 3 people,
29:03 but ask those 3 families,
29:05 whose funeral will be reached,
29:07 and they must have reached,
29:09 how big a doomsday will be for them,
29:11 how big a doomsday will be for them.
29:13 And ask those 20 to 22 shopkeepers,
29:17 whose savings have been burnt.
29:21 And what will their families do now?
29:24 And ask those families,
29:26 who were living in that building,
29:28 who have come out,
29:30 and have not come out,
29:32 but have come on the road.
29:34 And there is no sign of relief.
29:36 So, the matter was that there was a shop downstairs,
29:38 which caught fire, and upstairs was a residential building,
29:40 and the fire spread to there. Is that what happened?
29:42 And, as I said,
29:44 now those people are on the roads.
29:46 There is no sign of relief.
29:48 There is no representative,
29:50 who can assure them,
29:52 that next week,
29:54 your business will start,
29:56 or we will provide financial support.
29:58 Just now, before you came on TV,
30:02 Zafar Abbas, who is from JDC,
30:05 who has been there for 4 hours,
30:08 just now I received a call,
30:10 and he told me, "Govt. Sahib, if you come again,
30:12 all the shopkeepers are out there,
30:16 standing on the road,
30:18 all the residents are standing on the road,
30:20 and where should they go,
30:22 to whose houses should they go,
30:24 to whom should they ask, all those people..."
30:26 So, the government has not yet told you,
30:28 where they have to spend the night,
30:30 what they have to do tomorrow?
30:32 "There is nothing like that.
30:34 Some will go to the relatives' houses,
30:36 some will go to the homeless and helpers,
30:38 because of the inflation and economic crisis,
30:42 now no one can afford to keep
30:44 one or two families in their homes.
30:46 But, Waseem Bhai,
30:48 as you said, one more fire,
30:50 then another fire,
30:52 and if one child does not have a shelter,
30:54 he will fall into the gutter,
30:56 and then another child.
30:58 The thing is, one thing that is not being revealed,
31:00 is who is responsible?
31:02 Who is doing all this?
31:04 We are just witnessing it happening.
31:06 We just attend the funeral prayers,
31:08 and then go back to our homes.
31:10 Someone should ask,
31:12 who was responsible for all the fires,
31:14 and all the problems that have arisen,
31:16 before this?
31:18 Was it SBCA, KMC,
31:20 or the fire brigade?
31:22 Who were they?
31:24 And sir, when did this fire tender
31:26 reach, and how long did it reach?
31:28 "See, the people who complained to me,
31:30 the people who complained to me,
31:32 they said, at least we should have
31:34 come 30-45 minutes late.
31:36 After that, I sat in the car,
31:38 and when I left,
31:40 I called Murtaza Wahab,
31:42 who is the mayor,
31:44 I called him,
31:46 I asked him,
31:48 he said, Governor, I am reaching here,
31:50 and I will tell you in a little while,
31:52 I will be in this position,
31:54 so that you can check,
31:56 what did he tell you, sir?
31:58 I have not received a call yet,
32:00 it is possible that he is busy there,
32:02 but was he in the shop where the fire was lit,
32:04 or was he living in the building?
32:06 "No, he was in the building,
32:08 and I had,
32:10 where the fire happened,
32:12 his relatives were crying,
32:14 I consoled them,
32:16 I also prayed,
32:18 which Allah has accepted,
32:20 but I understand, in this city,
32:22 such incidents happening in a row,
32:24 in this city,
32:26 the doors getting stolen,
32:28 and not being repaired,
32:30 and getting injured,
32:32 I understand,
32:34 if we realize once,
32:36 that this fire,
32:38 is not of someone else,
32:40 but of our own,
32:42 then what will be the severity,
32:44 may Allah forbid,
32:46 if someone dies,
32:48 but what will be the situation at that time,
32:50 it is necessary to realize that,
32:52 it is not possible,
32:54 that we are there every time,
32:56 for a photo session,
32:58 and there is no response,
33:00 before this, four people were martyred,
33:02 the fire tender,
33:04 no reports of that were made,
33:06 Thank you very much,
33:08 and these are the questions,
33:10 and when I am talking,
33:12 and I am listening,
33:14 and people are watching,
33:16 then everyone knows,
33:18 that this is not the first incident,
33:20 but the last one,
33:22 in Karachi,
33:24 in Pakistan,
33:26 the time between the two,
33:28 is called a good time,
33:30 and the rest is just like that,
33:32 and moving forward,
33:34 last but not the least,
33:36 in Gaza, Israel's barbarism,
33:38 Israel's brutality,
33:40 Israel's brutality is still going on,
33:42 and I am repeating again,
33:44 leave aside any other media,
33:46 the international media,
33:48 which is so biased,
33:50 I will tell you what it is saying,
33:52 BBC is saying,
33:54 you can go to their website,
33:56 what they are saying,
33:58 what was done to us,
34:00 dogs were left on us,
34:02 what they are saying,
34:04 we were locked up in a tight place,
34:06 and tear gas was left there,
34:08 what they are saying,
34:10 our beds were pulled,
34:12 we were deprived of food,
34:14 and I am saying this with the help of
34:16 the words of the dead,
34:18 you will understand,
34:20 what they are saying,
34:22 our beds were thrown,
34:24 I am saying this with the help of the words of the dead,
34:26 this is the situation,
34:28 but the owners of international peace,
34:30 are not moving forward with their statements,
34:32 even today,
34:34 a meeting was held in this regard,
34:36 and meetings are being held,
34:38 on a daily basis,
34:40 it is a good thing,
34:42 that everyone should at least raise their voice,
34:44 and it is good that without any discrimination,
34:46 religion and religion,
34:48 this is being discussed,
34:50 and this is what he said,
35:18 Allama Raja Naseer Abbas,
35:20 head of the Muslim League,
35:22 Allama Tahir Ashrafi,
35:24 is with us on the telephone line,
35:26 I thank both of them,
35:28 Allama Sahab, you tell us,
35:30 and Tahir Sahab,
35:32 what is the future of this situation,
35:34 the war has ended,
35:36 the people have been freed,
35:38 and then there is still terrorism,
35:40 what is the end of this?
35:42 In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful,
35:46 thank you,
35:48 in the last 16 years,
35:50 Israel has fought 6 wars,
35:52 and has lost all 6 wars,
35:54 because whatever they wanted,
35:56 could not be done,
35:58 they planned that,
36:00 the oppressed people of Gaza,
36:02 who have been in captivity for 20 years,
36:04 the oppressed people of Palestine,
36:06 who have been oppressed for 75 years,
36:08 their homes have been seized,
36:10 their lands have been seized,
36:12 they have been killed,
36:14 they have been looted,
36:16 they have been killed,
36:18 they have been taken out of their areas,
36:20 through oppression,
36:22 the foundation and essence of Israel is oppression,
36:24 this is by nature,
36:26 in its nature,
36:28 in its essence,
36:30 oppression, barbarism,
36:32 in Gaza, Israel is not fighting a war,
36:34 it is committing war crimes,
36:36 there, they have said that,
36:38 we will end the war,
36:40 we will end the resistance,
36:42 today, it is two months,
36:44 since they have entered Gaza,
36:46 they are losing,
36:48 and they have not succeeded in their goals,
36:50 they have only succeeded in killing children,
36:52 in killing women,
36:54 in bombing hospitals,
36:56 in attacking schools,
36:58 in targeting the population of the city,
37:00 the whole world is watching the spectacle,
37:02 this is happening in the supremacy of America,
37:04 this is happening in the supremacy of Europe,
37:06 this is happening in the supremacy of France,
37:08 Germany, all these countries,
37:10 this is the reason,
37:12 that the patience of the oppressed of Palestine,
37:14 is coming off their faces,
37:16 that they are murderers,
37:18 they are cruel,
37:20 their claims of human rights are false,
37:22 there is no democracy,
37:24 there are no women's rights,
37:26 there are no children's rights,
37:28 there are no rights for anything,
37:30 they are lying when they say,
37:32 that we are the supporters of human rights,
37:34 and we are the right to live,
37:36 who are killing people day and night,
37:38 America is giving them weapons,
37:40 Europe is giving them weapons,
37:42 and they are giving them a lot of pressure,
37:44 and they are giving them a lot of time,
37:46 to take over Gaza,
37:48 and eliminate Hamas,
37:50 even today,
37:52 the whole of Gaza is fighting against Israel,
37:54 they are fighting,
37:56 they are firing their tanks,
37:58 they are firing their cannons,
38:00 they are firing their armored vehicles,
38:02 and they are not letting the Gaza issue settle,
38:04 the Gaza issue will never be defeated,
38:06 I support the words of Mufti Taqib Somani,
38:08 and I congratulate him,
38:10 that he has taken a stand,
38:12 that the whole of Palestine belongs to the Palestinians,
38:14 it is not that,
38:16 someone comes and takes over,
38:18 and gives half to him,
38:20 it is not like that,
38:22 then give Kashmir to India,
38:24 and keep half to yourself,
38:26 no Pakistani can say this,
38:28 and the President said,
38:30 I will take a concluding remark from you,
38:32 Mr. Tahir,
38:34 Mr. Tahir,
38:36 this is a very comforting thing,
38:38 that as always,
38:40 the Muslim Ummah is united,
38:42 and the statement of Taqi Usmani,
38:44 and the support of Raja Naseer Abbas,
38:46 but you also say,
38:48 that this world peace,
38:50 has become a joke,
38:52 that what is the fundamental right,
38:54 that has not been violated,
38:56 hospitals are given in wars,
38:58 women are given birth,
39:00 but not given,
39:02 women are being raped,
39:04 children are given,
39:06 but not given,
39:08 so this is openly misbehaving,
39:10 so this is a comment,
39:12 and what do you think,
39:14 what is the end of this,
39:16 people are asking us,
39:18 and you tell us,
39:20 what next?
39:22 In the name of Allah,
39:24 the most merciful,
39:26 the most compassionate,
39:28 the most merciful,
39:30 the one who,
39:32 after 7 October,
39:34 killed Israel,
39:36 and Israel thought,
39:38 that he will take over Gaza,
39:40 in the 48th gathering,
39:42 and after that,
39:44 he will make this issue,
39:46 a Shia-Sunni issue,
39:48 and his caliphs,
39:50 and his superiors,
39:52 will divide the Muslims,
39:54 and Allah forbid,
39:56 he will not be able to do this,
39:58 and he will not be able to
40:00 take over the people of Gaza,
40:02 and conquer them,
40:04 now like a mad man,
40:06 who you can say,
40:08 who is being supported by,
40:10 Europe,
40:12 America,
40:14 and other countries,
40:16 he is a mad man,
40:18 in a crazy way,
40:20 in a crazy way,
40:22 he wants,
40:24 that no child of Palestine,
40:26 old, young, woman,
40:28 should be left.
40:30 Now see, my question is,
40:32 Mr. Madhavi, from the world,
40:34 that you were killed by Hamas,
40:36 you are fighting against Hamas,
40:38 you are fighting against the youth,
40:40 you are fighting against the Mujahideen,
40:42 you are targeting,
40:44 those areas,
40:46 those areas,
40:48 where there are innocent children,
40:50 these are not wars,
40:52 these are the genocide of the Palestinians,
40:54 that no child,
40:56 no old,
40:58 no young,
41:00 should be left,
41:02 but this,
41:04 this is the fate of oppression,
41:06 no matter how long the oppression,
41:08 it has to end,
41:10 the Islamic world,
41:12 in this regard,
41:14 the steps that have to be taken,
41:16 the first step is,
41:18 that a union is formed,
41:20 from the IC platform,
41:22 that the people of Iran,
41:24 after 15 years,
41:26 reach Saudi Arabia,
41:28 that Mr. Mardagad reaches there,
41:30 the IC platform that he announced,
41:32 for the practical improvement,
41:34 the Islamic world,
41:36 has to take practical steps,
41:38 the demand that Ameer Muhammad bin Salman,
41:40 that the Israeli,
41:42 who are supplying weapons,
41:44 should stop supplying weapons,
41:46 the Islamic world,
41:48 has to decide,
41:50 that if they do not stop supplying weapons,
41:52 and do not stop supplying Israel,
41:54 then what steps should we take,
41:56 what should we do in this regard,
41:58 I think that now,
42:00 the practical improvements are to be made,
42:02 and one thing I will definitely tell you,
42:04 that we have to keep the unity in our ranks,
42:06 the enemy wants,
42:08 that they divide the Muslim Ummah,
42:10 the enemy wants,
42:12 that they make such a fight,
42:14 that the Muslim Ummah is divided,
42:16 we have not,
42:18 on the issue of Palestine,
42:20 the whole Muslim Ummah is one,
42:22 our stance is one,
42:24 we are all united,
42:26 we are the state of the oppressed,
42:28 independent for the Palestinians,
42:30 and Israel is a Ghasib,
42:32 and God willing,
42:34 against this Ghasib,
42:36 this unity will remain,
42:38 and you said that this decision should be made,
42:40 that if any country is still supplying weapons,
42:42 then the matter is over,
42:44 but they are part of the problem,
42:46 not part of the solution,
42:48 what can we do against them,