Yourcinemafilms.com | Critically-acclaimed actor Junior Salokun (Blue Story, Supacell) shares his journey from shooting Youtube videos, almost missing his audition for Blue Story and being in Supacell, one of Netflix’s biggest UK shows ever!
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00:00 Now everyone's making it in film and TV, but we don't really know how.
00:06 Here we uncover the truth.
00:08 Welcome to the Your Cinema Podcast.
00:10 Welcome guys this week to the Your Cinema Podcast where we explore the truth about film and TV,
00:19 as well as theatre, and we hear it directly from those who are killing it, smashing it in their areas.
00:26 This week we've got a critically acclaimed actor, he was in the phenomenal Blue Story by Rapman.
00:33 He's also in our upcoming short film, Violation, which will be coming out soon.
00:39 And yeah, he is, I feel, I feel he's underrated, but also a very great guy.
00:49 I introduce to you Junior Salican. What's going on?
00:53 Wait, wait, wait. Hey, that introduction was too good, man. What's going on?
00:57 I didn't pay you to do that. You're going to invoice me later on, bro.
01:02 You know, I've only said the truth in my, like, yeah, I was going to say in my opinion,
01:09 but I've only said the truth. You're critically acclaimed, you're in Blue Story.
01:14 Like, you know, in working with you and, and like speaking with you,
01:18 nah, like you're a great guy. Do you know what I mean?
01:20 Thank you, my bro.
01:21 Yeah, yeah, nice. All good. It's all good.
01:24 As usual, I'm just going to go straight in, right?
01:27 And like Blue Story was like a cultural and commercial and international success.
01:36 Like we all know the story behind it. The come up was amazing.
01:40 The deal behind it, having, you know, Roc Nation, Jay-Z backing was like amazing.
01:46 But then the film itself, the actual product was amazing too.
01:51 It's one of the films that like there's loads of great films.
01:55 But for me personally, I remember when I watched it, like I love like our culture
02:01 and documenting it and showing it in like great wide context.
02:06 And I remember when I finished watching Blue Story,
02:09 I came away and there was something that I felt about it in terms of like the story
02:15 and just like I remember coming away from it and I was like,
02:21 they were just children.
02:25 And it's like the brainwashing just took them on a whole different path
02:31 that they can't get back. And it was, yeah, it was like, like it sat with me.
02:36 And I think maybe only one or two other projects have ever done that in my life.
02:40 I love loads of films, but that one I felt.
02:43 So I just wanted to know, right, when Blue Story came out,
02:49 what was that like for you?
02:52 It's easier to talk about now, but at the time you're just in this whirlwind.
03:00 Do you know what I mean? So like you're just excited for the film to come out as a fan,
03:06 but you're excited that people are going to get to see your work.
03:10 And then, do you know what I mean? It's just all these feelings all at once.
03:13 And like, I'm not going to lie, like when I first read it, the script, the full script,
03:20 you know, you get your sides when you go to an audition and the rest of it.
03:23 But when I first read the full script, I couldn't believe it.
03:27 Like I know that my eyes was like watery. Does that make sense?
03:30 Like it was like, wow, I can't believe I'm about to be part of this.
03:35 I just couldn't believe that.
03:38 I almost felt like they were going to call and be like,
03:40 "Ah, mate, we got this guy who's actually better than you. He wants to do it.
03:45 So can you shuffle over and..." You know, do you know what I mean?
03:49 It's like it was too good to be true. Do you know what I mean?
03:52 Until I got on to set and it's like, I'd done my first scene.
03:56 I'm like, "Ah, they ain't getting me out of this. No way. I'm in this."
04:00 You know what I mean?
04:01 And then from that moment to like going to the cinema,
04:06 I went to the cinema, a couple of cast...
04:08 I think most of us went actually, the cast mates.
04:11 We went and we just like, not in disguise, but we just like hoods up
04:15 and just went in the cinema and just watched it with other people normally.
04:19 And then at the end, there was like a round of applause and stuff in the cinema.
04:23 And like, just people just like, I'm not going to...
04:28 There was a lady to me, an old lady.
04:31 And she was like, she could have been from her 60s upwards.
04:35 White lady.
04:36 And she was with like a younger lady who could have been her daughter
04:39 who maybe was in her 40s.
04:42 And then they were with maybe that lady's daughter.
04:45 It seemed like three generations.
04:47 And when I looked over, because I would always look over to see,
04:50 what did these people think about this film?
04:52 You know?
04:53 And generally looking around everywhere, but just that they were on my row.
04:57 And I thought, "Oh, that's a weird threesome of people to come and watch this film."
05:02 Do you know what I mean?
05:03 But when I looked over, I could see them laughing at some of the jokes.
05:07 And I was like, "This is connecting with people that you wouldn't even associate
05:14 with this type of film."
05:16 And then at the end, the older lady was crying.
05:19 And that's when I knew that, "Wow, that we've done something here.
05:22 We've done it quite well."
05:25 You know, everything could be done better, but we've done it quite well.
05:28 We've done our job, basically, if that makes sense.
05:31 And that gave me a sense of fulfillment.
05:34 And that being my first mainstream project, it was like,
05:41 "I only want to make projects like this."
05:43 You know?
05:44 I only want to make projects that have people thinking for ages,
05:48 sitting in their chair for two minutes afterwards, like,
05:51 "What just happened?
05:52 What did I just see?"
05:53 You know, having an overwhelming rush of emotions, crying, whatever it is.
05:59 I would love to have a whole career of just making films,
06:03 making projects that are like that, you know?
06:05 From that experience, that's what that gave me.
06:07 That's what that taught me, you know, how powerful film could be, you know?
06:11 So, yeah.
06:13 - Wow.
06:14 That is – you've made a few huge statements there and a few huge points.
06:22 And as you were speaking, like, there's something I believe and feel,
06:29 but you really just put it into context in a real-life experience, right?
06:34 And it's that the thing that came to mind was "Goodfellas"
06:38 and a lot of, like, Martin Scorsese's films, right?
06:41 Like "Godfather," et cetera, et cetera.
06:43 They're so specific and nuanced, right?
06:46 And we are not from that culture.
06:48 We're not from that culture.
06:50 We're not from the country, but we understand and love those films, right?
06:55 And a lot of the times there's a stigma with projects that are related to,
07:00 like, our culture, and it's like, "Oh, that's just, like, hood stories."
07:04 Or, like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah."
07:06 And it's like, do you know what?
07:07 You can tell a story anywhere, but if they're executed well,
07:12 when you're able to really hone the story, which Kobi Adam goes on about,
07:17 which is amazing, it's like the story can travel
07:21 and transcend cultural boundaries.
07:24 For sure, for sure, for sure, for sure.
07:28 And "Blue Story" taught me that.
07:30 I wouldn't say I knew that.
07:32 That information, that bit of information you just said there,
07:35 I wouldn't say I had that until after witnessing people's reactions to "Blue Story."
07:41 And then later on, you know, different types of people saying to me
07:46 they loved "Blue Story."
07:48 And I just--some people that would shock me, and I'm like,
07:50 "Are you just saying that because you Googled my name
07:53 and you knew that I was in it and you tried to pander to me,
07:55 or did you really watch it?"
07:56 But then when they would say stuff about my character, I'm like,
07:59 "You watched it and you really connected with Madda? How?"
08:03 You know, and I'm like, "How did you connect with Madda?"
08:06 You know, it's a mad--like--but I feel like, just like what you said,
08:11 like, if it's done well, it will transcend race, age,
08:15 and all these things that we tell ourselves are the boundaries for our films.
08:19 You know what I mean? So, yeah, for sure.
08:22 I love that. I love that.
08:24 So, given how great the film was, how good your performance was,
08:30 what was your acting journey like before landing that role?
08:36 Man.
08:38 I can't even say it was an acting journey.
08:40 It was like--it was like--how do I--like a portal.
08:49 Like I walked through a portal.
08:51 One side and the other side, I was just an actor, if that makes sense.
08:54 That's what it just feels like, you know?
08:57 But that's not actually technically true because there are always steps.
09:02 Even if you don't realize them, there are things preparing you
09:05 for a moment in your life, you know?
09:07 And--it's going to sound crazy, but there will be times
09:12 when I was watching stuff, and I would kind of preempt
09:17 what that character was going to say, you know?
09:20 And that--it's like a nerdy thing.
09:22 It's weird, you know? Like, what is that?
09:24 That's nothing. It doesn't mean you're going to be an actor later on
09:26 just because you had an inkling for what the story was going to be like.
09:30 You know, it doesn't mean--you know?
09:32 So, like, little, little things in life, when I look back now,
09:36 I'm like, "Ooh, I did have an interest in--"
09:39 You know, when it was drama in school, I went to an all-boys school.
09:43 Drama wasn't like, you know, how it would be in a mixed school,
09:47 if that makes sense, you know?
09:49 You know, all egos, emotions, and nobody wants to play the soft character.
09:54 Everybody wants to play the dominating character, you know?
09:57 And all these things, but I always had an interest in caring about,
10:00 you know, what the other character that's not dominant was like, you know?
10:05 So, like, I wouldn't mind playing that character, if that makes sense.
10:08 But at the time, I just thought it was because I was braver than anybody else.
10:13 You know, I was braver than my classmates to do it,
10:16 and I was less--I cared less about being teased.
10:20 I don't know, whatever. That's what I thought at the time.
10:22 I don't know what I thought about myself, but now I'm like,
10:25 "I had the bug then." You know?
10:27 It's all these little, little things.
10:31 Now, looking back, it's like, "Oh, wow. Okay."
10:34 You did have this thing about you, you know?
10:38 And when I was, like, in my teens, I had a girlfriend who was an actress,
10:44 and she, like, went to acting school afterwards,
10:46 went to acting university afterwards.
10:49 And then it's like, going to watch her shows
10:53 and going to, like, just seeing her journey up close,
10:58 and it was--I never expected I would do this thing.
11:02 I never expected it.
11:04 It was almost like a thing that the privileged or chosen--
11:08 you know, if you come from a privileged background,
11:10 your parents can send you to drama school, after school,
11:14 and that's what it felt like, people in that kind of life.
11:18 So I didn't even see myself as qualifying to be somebody
11:23 who could do acting or whatever it is, performance, whatever it is.
11:26 And so when the opportunity came around,
11:30 I just knew that, like, I was going to grab it, you know?
11:33 And so when Ratman was doing a short film one time in Deptford,
11:37 and he said, "Oh, who wants to be--
11:39 who wants to, like, be in the short film?
11:41 Who wants to play the character?"
11:42 And I was like, "Me, me, me, me."
11:43 And I was messaging him, and I was on him,
11:45 and I was like, "Yo, me, me."
11:46 And it's just weird because before that, I'd never done anything.
11:51 You know? It was just--yeah, I just--I didn't do anything.
11:56 Like, I would almost run away from cameras if I saw them, you know?
11:59 If that makes sense.
12:00 So I don't know what happened.
12:03 It was just, you know--it was just--
12:06 That's what I said to you.
12:07 I walked through a portal and just walked out the other side,
12:10 and it was just happening.
12:12 You know, it was just--literally, it was just happening.
12:14 So from being in a couple of Ratman's short films on YouTube
12:19 to him writing Blue Story as a script, I can never forget this.
12:23 We were, like, filming in the wintertime,
12:27 and just a guy with a camera--me, Ratman, a guy with a camera,
12:31 and another guy that was in the short film,
12:34 literally just wearing our big hoodies, like, you know,
12:37 trying to keep warm and stuff.
12:38 And I said to him, "You should make this into a film
12:41 because this story is cold."
12:43 And he was like, "Yeah, you know, Ratman's got a tie of my hair.
12:46 I'm going to--and, you know, I'm going to write it probably.
12:49 I'm writing it now, you know."
12:50 You know, Ratman's kind of coy, you know?
12:52 And then later on, he's like, "Yeah, I wrote the script."
12:54 I'm like, "Okay, sick."
12:56 Then a few months later, he's like--he's trying to shop the script around.
13:00 I was like, "Oh, you know--"
13:02 Because obviously the YouTube version had taken off the comments,
13:06 "Make this into a movie, make this into a movie."
13:08 It's like a thousand comments, you know?
13:10 And just remember, he's not--he was just a guy making short rap music-y videos.
13:17 You know, it wasn't like he had loads of backing
13:19 and loads of people promoting it, you know?
13:21 It was just him.
13:23 And then for it to organically get sent around--
13:26 you know, back in the day, people used to send stuff to each other.
13:29 It's not as much--well, people do send--but, like, from YouTube,
13:32 it was like a weird, like, "Have you seen this?" type of vibe, you know?
13:36 So people were sending it around to their friends,
13:38 and it just--it clocked up like a million--a million-plus views, you know,
13:42 for something that was shot in the way we shot it.
13:45 You're like, "Oh, wow, a million-plus views.
13:47 People cared about this much."
13:48 And so obviously, you know, the people who were making--
13:51 who eventually went on to make Blue Story saw that
13:54 and saw how organic the interest is, and, you know, they backed him.
13:58 And when he told me that, yeah, he's got the backing of BBC and Paramount,
14:02 I was like, "What? BBC and Paramount?
14:05 I thought we were just going to, you know, like, just make it
14:08 with some, you know, local money and just try and--
14:11 but, okay, I'm happy," you know what I mean?
14:13 And then when he said to me, "Whatever happens,
14:16 I'm going to give you the opportunity to read,
14:18 so make sure you are ready for the opportunity."
14:21 I'll never, ever forget him saying that to me.
14:24 It was like, "June, I can make sure that you read.
14:27 I can make sure that you're in it somehow,
14:29 but the big roles, these guys are going to want to give it to established actors,
14:35 so if you want to compete with them, you need to be ready," kind of thing.
14:38 "You need to make sure that you're good enough," basically.
14:42 "I can't just put you in it," you know what I mean?
14:45 I can't remember the budget. It's whatever the budget is,
14:48 and they're not just going to put some any guy
14:50 because he was in the YouTube version.
14:52 It's not going to work like that, you know?
14:54 But he was letting me know that it's not out of him being disloyal to me
14:58 or it's literally bigger than him.
15:00 So I'm like, "Yeah, I understand," you know?
15:02 And even part of me was like, "That's too big for me anyway,
15:07 so what are you talking about?"
15:09 I was like, "I didn't expect to be a main guy.
15:11 I thought maybe I'd be just one of the guys in the background,
15:14 and I would have been gassed with just that."
15:16 You know what I mean?
15:18 That would have been the pinnacle of my career, you know what I'm saying?
15:21 Just being in there at the back, just hoodie number two.
15:25 It would have been, "Hey, guys, look at me at the back there!"
15:28 You know what I mean?
15:30 So the fact that I got the opportunity to--
15:32 So yeah, he told me to make myself ready,
15:35 and that's when I started to take acting seriously in that moment there.
15:38 So from then I started doing acting classes,
15:41 and I would just look on the Internet, just acting classes,
15:44 and I would just book a block, and I'd be like,
15:46 "Oh, this is not good enough."
15:48 And then I would speak with people there,
15:50 and they would tell me, "More expensive," or more.
15:52 And then I'd go to those people, and I'd do eight classes with them,
15:55 and it would be like two hours off at 7pm to 9pm,
15:59 and somewhere in Shoreditch and Islington.
16:03 And I would just go and just learn things that I never understood.
16:08 You know, when you watch a TV show, you just think,
16:10 "Oh, the camera's turned on," and they just act.
16:13 You're Jimmy, and Jimmy's heartbroken.
16:16 And that's what I thought it was like,
16:18 until when you get there and you understand that,
16:22 "Wow, this is a whole science."
16:25 This is like--
16:27 I never believed in acting intelligent--
16:29 Not "I never believed," I never even knew acting intelligence was a thing.
16:33 But now you can just watch something, and you're like,
16:36 "Ah, that's a really intelligent actor there."
16:39 You can just say that.
16:40 When I used to hear people say that, I'd be like, "Oh, yes, very smart he is."
16:45 But then now I know what it means.
16:47 It's weird. It's so weird how I just went from just--
16:53 know nothing to knowing a little bit.
16:56 It's weird.
16:59 Do you know what? I love your humility, man.
17:02 It's-- Yeah, it's very different.
17:06 I'm going to come to that in a bit.
17:09 What I wanted to know is--
17:13 So the film comes out, it's a huge success.
17:16 Everyone's screaming your name.
17:18 I'm sure everyone's like, "Yo, you're good. You're a good actor."
17:23 Especially, particularly when projects do really well, right?
17:27 Did that end up--
17:30 Did that typecast you in any way
17:34 in terms of the roles and projects people were speaking to you about
17:38 to then go on to do, et cetera?
17:41 A little bit, yeah.
17:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
17:47 So after "Blue Star," it was just like,
17:49 "I need you to be gangster in this. I need you to be gangster in this."
17:53 And then you get loads of people that's trying to--
17:55 that make an independent film, they want you to be gangster as well
17:58 because that's what they know people are going to see you for.
18:01 So it's like when you're reading for--
18:04 when you're getting auditions, you're realizing that,
18:06 "Right, I'm a bit-- I'm always like a thuggish person.
18:09 "Why am I not the policeman?" You know what I'm saying?
18:12 "Why am I not the father here? Why am I--"
18:15 Then you start to realize that, "Oh, they think that
18:19 "that's what you'll be good at." Do you know what I mean?
18:21 But that's okay. I then had a meeting with my agent.
18:25 I was with Troika at the time, and I explained to my agent
18:28 that I think I can do more.
18:31 And she says, "I believe you. I believe you can do more too."
18:33 And then that's when we started to kind of--
18:36 well, they started to kind of get me different tapes,
18:39 and I started to realize that I can do more.
18:42 Even in myself, I started to believe I can do more.
18:44 The belief came, and then you get little opportunities to show,
18:48 and then you think, "Okay, definitely I can."
18:51 And so now it's like--
18:54 it's not that I'll never play that type of role.
18:57 Of course, if the role's good and--
19:00 you know.
19:02 [laughter]
19:04 We go have a look, you know what I'm saying?
19:07 But yeah, I feel like I do want to do
19:12 other types of characters for sure.
19:15 For sure, for sure.
19:17 And people are going to see me.
19:19 I've been in a few things, and people are going to see me differently soon.
19:23 I'm not in control of when things come out,
19:25 but soon people will be able to be like, "Oh, okay.
19:29 Isn't that the guy who played--"
19:31 You know what I mean?
19:32 And I found myself guilty of doing the same thing,
19:34 like seeing people play a thuggish role, hard role,
19:37 and then not giving them a chance when I see them as something else.
19:42 You see a trailer, and you're like, "Oh, how's he playing that?
19:45 No, I'm not going to watch that."
19:47 Do you know what I mean?
19:48 And then I'm like, "What am I doing? Snap out."
19:50 Like, he might be doping that.
19:52 And then you watch, and you're like,
19:54 "Look, that's what people are going to do to me,
19:56 not give me the chance."
19:57 You know what I mean?
19:58 Because they see me in Blue Story and have a little YouTube stuff,
20:02 and they think that that's what he is, that's what he's going to do forever.
20:05 They might not give you a chance later on.
20:08 But I feel like if you're good enough, people will see it,
20:13 and they'll gravitate towards it.
20:15 I love that.
20:17 That's amazing, especially that checking yourself on,
20:22 giving other people a chance, and looking to see their range.
20:26 Yeah, no, I love, and I think it's very important.
20:29 Yeah, a lot of the times, I find myself having a conversation with myself
20:34 about actors and shows and stuff,
20:37 like giving stuff a chance the same way I would want people
20:41 to give things a chance when I'm in it.
20:43 Do you know what I mean, if that makes sense?
20:45 So I always tell myself that.
20:47 I always have these debates in my group chats.
20:49 "Why are you calling that show rubbish?"
20:51 Do you know what I mean?
20:53 It's not you just don't understand it, do you know what I mean?
20:55 Because now I'm like, "Oh, shut up, just because you're an actor,
20:58 you're trying to--" Do you know what I mean?
21:00 I'm like, "Oh, damn, maybe it is because I'm an actor."
21:03 Do you know what I mean?
21:05 But at least I can see that within myself.
21:07 I love that, I love that, the group chats.
21:11 So when I worked with you on Violation, the short film that's coming out soon,
21:17 I really saw your range, and I must say it was an honour
21:22 to be a part of it.
21:26 There were two auditions that we did, right?
21:33 And you were-- your role was already casted,
21:38 but we were casting for your friend in the film, right?
21:43 And the two auditions were just completely different, right?
21:48 But it's down to the choices that you made.
21:52 And you helped me see one of the key scenes at the end
21:55 in a completely different way, where I was like,
21:59 "Both actors did exactly what they should have done in those scenes."
22:05 But it's like, "Oh, wow."
22:08 "There was one or two slight things that you did," I said.
22:12 I was like, "That's a very intelligent choice."
22:16 And yeah, I just saw--
22:18 - Big up my acting coach for that, you know what I'm saying?
22:21 - Well, I wanted to know, right, because of those nuances,
22:25 where did you actually learn to train?
22:27 I mean, or learn to act?
22:29 - To be honest, remember I told you I was jumping around for a while?
22:34 But then I landed-- there was a good brother called Obi,
22:38 and honestly, man, he just taught me something different, man.
22:42 He wasn't letting me off with nothing, you know?
22:45 He wasn't letting me off with nothing, to be honest.
22:48 I have to give him props, and he taught me so--
22:50 I don't even think he could understand how much he taught me.
22:53 Or maybe he does, because he's been doing it as well.
22:56 But it's just normal to him to just be able to install this information in people
23:01 and just-- you know, he's got a class of people,
23:04 and he just installs information.
23:06 I don't know, it's almost like electronically downloaded.
23:11 Does that make sense, the information he's given me?
23:14 And it's so weird how he did it with being calm
23:18 and just really informative at the right time,
23:21 but allowing you to make a mistake.
23:24 You know, he had the right dynamics for me, personally.
23:32 Maybe for someone else he might have been a bit too--
23:34 or he might have been a bit-- but for me it was just right,
23:37 just perfect, the type of education I needed.
23:40 And I have to big him up, to be honest,
23:43 because when someone helps you in that way,
23:46 it's almost like he was giving me therapy.
23:50 That's almost what it was like.
23:52 Wow.
23:53 In the sessions, I still go on my laptop and watch the sessions that we have,
24:00 because they're like therapy sessions.
24:02 It's so weird, but it's like enlightening.
24:05 That's the right word, enlightening.
24:07 Interesting.
24:09 From what he taught me, I now in my real life understand people well.
24:15 It's so weird.
24:16 Like, forget about acting.
24:18 In my real life I understand people better.
24:22 When you start to understand movement psychology and all of these things--
24:28 this is what we talk about when we say acting intelligence.
24:30 All of these things were non-existent to me before, do you know what I mean?
24:33 But I understood them, but I didn't know-- there wasn't a name for it,
24:36 like what I just said now.
24:37 I knew that, you know, when a man's lips quivering and his fist is tight,
24:43 he's feeling some type of tension,
24:46 but I didn't know how to describe what that is, do you know what I mean?
24:49 It was just, oh, that guy's-- you know what I mean?
24:52 And all of these things that you can just understand things so differently
24:57 just by body language, without even saying words.
25:00 And I never-- the concept of that was so foreign to me before, you know?
25:05 My acting before was very elaborate.
25:07 I'm angry, you know, and then I'm sad.
25:11 It was so weird about how he taught me that all of those things
25:16 is not even acting, really, do you know what I mean?
25:19 So, yeah, I have to dig him up, man.
25:21 When I'm talking about him now, I'm like, "Yo, I'm going to call him after this."
25:24 I'm like, "Hey, I just done a podcast and was speaking about you.
25:27 I had to call you, man, because-- yeah, man."
25:30 No, I love that. I love that. I love that. I love that.
25:33 So leading on from that, right, and big up Obi,
25:37 how important is the actual craft of acting to you?
25:42 Now it's, like, everything.
25:47 Now it's just everything because I see--
25:50 I see the art in everything now.
25:54 Before, I didn't-- I didn't, you know, I didn't appreciate things as much,
25:58 but now I understand, you know, because when you read a script,
26:02 you don't know how long it takes that person to--
26:05 that person could have wrote that script for a year, you know?
26:08 It's only when you go to write your own script you realize how difficult it is
26:13 or how time-consuming or energy-consuming, whatever it is that it is, you know?
26:17 And then when you just say something that's rubbish, just off the--
26:20 you just read three, four paragraphs, and you're like, "This is rubbish,"
26:23 and you just-- do you know what I mean?
26:25 It's just so, like-- it's not something that I want--
26:28 I don't want to be like that, you know?
26:30 I want to give everything a chance, you know?
26:32 And I feel like that could make things longer for me
26:35 because I'm trying to give everything a chance,
26:37 but I feel like maybe later on I'll start to--
26:40 I'll find a way to filter stuff, but at this moment in time, I'm like--
26:44 it's like, you know those-- when a lady's pregnant or she's about to have--
26:48 or she's broody, and she just looks at every child,
26:51 "Ooh!" and, you know, every child's cute,
26:54 and everything to do with children's cute,
26:56 they just see a little shoe, "Ooh!"
26:58 Do you know what I mean? I feel like I'm like that with acting.
27:01 Do you know what I mean? Everything is cute.
27:03 Everything is lovely and arty and beautiful, do you know what I mean?
27:07 So, yeah, I feel like I'm in that kind of stage at this moment in life.
27:11 It might wear off. I've met other actors who aren't like that, you know?
27:15 So it might wear off, and my friends that are experienced actors say,
27:20 "Ah, yeesh."
27:22 It's like when-- just in the same scenario I just spoke about,
27:25 a parent who's got-- a lady who's got five children,
27:28 she's fed up, she's had enough,
27:30 she's got her from a teenager to a toddler,
27:32 she knows all the stages, she's not seeing little shoes and saying,
27:35 "Ooh, that's cute," she's like, "Get those away from me."
27:38 Broody ladies, like, you know, it's the same thing with acting.
27:41 I've got some friends who are just like-- they've had five children,
27:44 they're like, "Ah!" You know, I'm in the broody stage at the moment, I'd say.
27:48 Do you know what I love about what you said, right,
27:50 is that in terms of that broodiness
27:55 and appreciating the little things, right,
28:00 I think-- just based on what you're saying,
28:04 I think and I hope that you don't lose that
28:07 because with a lot of actors, like, you know,
28:11 there's success, there's craft, there's all of that stuff,
28:14 but with a lot of actors, right, that I've interviewed over the years,
28:19 there's like this silent element of play
28:23 that a lot of them start off with where they enjoy acting
28:27 'cause they just get to mess around.
28:29 And I remember when we were interviewing David Harewood some years back,
28:36 even in the interview, I could see he was still, like, childlike
28:40 and, like, enjoying and, like, messing around.
28:42 Even in the Q&A, like, he was messing around and, like, all of that stuff.
28:46 And I was like, it's a privilege to be able to have, like,
28:53 a want and a desire to play,
28:55 and then you have a profession that gives you that arena.
28:59 - Mm, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:02 So, and what I sometimes wonder is, as actors are making it,
29:07 and especially, like, when projects are, like, really huge,
29:11 does that element of play go out the window?
29:14 And not necessarily just play in, like, a, "Oh, is it a fun scene?"
29:19 Like, there's playing when it's serious, like, "All right, cool.
29:22 "All right, cool. All right."
29:24 Like, do you know what I mean? Like, you're still playing.
29:26 And so, yeah, that's just what I would say to what you said.
29:30 - I think that what you're saying is very right, but that element, like, for me,
29:35 even though I've just said to you, like, I'm appreciating everything,
29:39 when I get onto big sets, I do feel very serious.
29:45 But it's almost like I'm now...
29:49 How do I explain it?
29:51 I've taken in the scenery, and now I'm like, "OK, it's serious time.
29:57 "It's my time to kind of deliver, if that makes sense.
29:59 "I don't want to..." - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
30:01 - I don't know, but at the same time, it depends the environment,
30:04 because an environment will allow you to be, you know,
30:08 your authentic self or not your authentic self, do you know what I mean?
30:12 And I've been lucky to be on a couple of sets where the vibe is just vibey,
30:18 and you don't feel pressure.
30:20 You don't feel that, "Oh, this is a big, massive set.
30:23 "Supercell, I can't even believe that."
30:26 The set for Supercell is...
30:29 I've never seen nothing like it in life, never, like, just never.
30:34 The huge, massive green screens, massive studios with built-up stuff,
30:39 and you're just seeing the type of props, and just, you know...
30:43 When you see one prop, you're like, "This one prop could be £100,000
30:47 "and take two, three weeks to make,
30:50 "and we're just going to destroy it in one second."
30:52 Do you get what I'm saying? You're like...
30:54 It makes you realise that, "Whoa, the stakes are high here."
30:57 But the environment, the people, it doesn't give you that pressure.
31:01 It didn't give me that pressure, if that makes sense.
31:03 I have to dig up Rapman as well, because, you know, the two things...
31:06 Well, I've worked with him, obviously, before we got professional.
31:09 Let's say from professionalism onwards.
31:11 Yeah.
31:12 The environments of his projects have been unmatched.
31:17 They're always the best that I've been on, you know?
31:20 So I don't know if that's because I know him personally,
31:23 and I feel like I feel very...
31:25 ..close to, let's say, the higher-ups, you know?
31:29 Because he's the director, you know?
31:31 You feel like I know the person personally.
31:33 So maybe that gives you some comfortability, you know?
31:37 I would say that, but, yeah, those sets are unmatched.
31:41 Those sets are unmatched, and I can't wait for the people to see it, man.
31:44 I can't wait for people to see it.
31:46 I love that.
31:47 So, you know, right, in Supercell, like, what was that like for you?
31:52 Like, this, like...
31:54 I'm just going to leave it there, open-ended.
31:57 So, you can imagine...
32:00 So, as I told you, I shot YouTube videos with Rapman,
32:04 and then we did Blue Story, which was his first professional thing.
32:09 So it's like I'm seeing him, you know, not learning his craft,
32:13 but learning his craft, learning how to be a boss, you know?
32:18 Because you're the director, you're the writer,
32:21 you are the boss of this show, you know what I'm saying?
32:24 And I'm seeing him grow.
32:27 It's like, I don't know if you watch football,
32:30 but people that watch football, when you support a team
32:33 and you see a young footballer come into the team,
32:36 and then they become the star of the team, if that makes sense.
32:39 Like Fabric X or something, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:41 Do you know what I mean?
32:42 It's like Fabric X, you see them come at 16,
32:44 and you're like, "Ooh, this is a sick little underkid."
32:46 Do you know what I'm saying?
32:48 And then next minute, he's gone to Barcelona,
32:50 he's winning Champions League, and he's that guy.
32:53 Do you know what I mean?
32:54 It's kind of like seeing that, but he's older than me.
32:56 Do you know what I mean?
32:58 You know what I'm saying?
32:59 Like, it's literally like that.
33:01 So seeing him from, you know, and it's the same person
33:05 with the same application, just bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger,
33:11 if that makes sense.
33:13 You know, one time we were just standing there
33:15 looking at the people moving stuff around in the studios,
33:18 big masses, it was like 100 people just running around,
33:21 moving radios, everything, you can just imagine.
33:23 And I just looked at him and said, like,
33:25 "Don't you think this is crazy?
33:26 "This is all because of something that you just thought of in your brain.
33:30 "Like, you just thought of something in your brain, wrote it down,
33:33 "and look at this.
33:34 "You've given all these people a job."
33:37 I couldn't--
33:39 Even he was just like, "Ha-ha, yeah, yeah."
33:43 I just look at him now, "Bro, you don't even understand yourself."
33:46 Or maybe you're just so busy and encapsulated with what you're doing
33:51 that you don't have time to start thinking and reminiscing
33:54 and doing all of that stuff.
33:55 Maybe, you know, because the whirlwind for him too,
33:58 he's having to work constantly, you know,
34:00 maybe there's no time to be looking back
34:02 because you're still looking forward for what you've got to do
34:04 next week, next week, next week, next week.
34:06 So for him, maybe he hasn't, but he will one day
34:09 because it's miraculous what he's done, to be honest.
34:13 And so, yeah, I'm not going to lie to you.
34:16 If I could--
34:18 If I could-- What do you call it?
34:20 If I could just say that I've been in two of his projects,
34:23 I'd be proud, you know, and that's-- I can say that.
34:26 And I feel like you can't take nothing away from me now.
34:29 Do you know what I mean?
34:30 Like, there's nothing you can take from me, you know?
34:33 I've been with somebody who's done it from nothing
34:37 to the biggest you can--
34:39 I think, yeah, because Supercell is literally going to be
34:42 one of the biggest Netflix series, or British Netflix series, ever.
34:46 Wow.
34:47 And we started with literally a camera like this.
34:52 The camera was like this, the guy.
34:54 Filmed just in Deptford, South East London.
34:58 You know?
34:59 Literally, you know, neighbours coming out asking them,
35:01 "Oh, can we-- Can you leave your car there, please,
35:03 so we can use the car, you know, as a prop?"
35:06 Just little things.
35:07 "Oh, there's lighting over there,"
35:08 because you don't have the big lights.
35:10 So, you've got to have street lights.
35:11 If we're going to have a talk, you know,
35:13 if there's dialogue in the film, you know,
35:15 let's get underneath the street lights and talk.
35:18 Imagine from that to then Blue Story,
35:20 where it's like a big budget in comparison
35:23 to what you've come from,
35:24 but it's not a big budget for films, generally speaking.
35:27 But then your film does very well from that budget.
35:30 And then now they've given you a huge, massive budget.
35:34 You know, and you're about to do something worldwide,
35:38 export something worldwide now.
35:41 Yeah, it's crazy.
35:43 - Oh, I'm excited to watch it now.
35:45 What? Come on.
35:46 I mean, I was always excited, but yeah.
35:48 - The story behind the person making it makes it more...
35:52 For me, obviously, I'm close to it,
35:55 but for me, if you understand,
35:57 like, his story should be out there more.
36:00 It's not out there more.
36:01 Like, it's not out there enough, I mean.
36:04 It's just not.
36:05 Like, his story is proper inspiring, you know,
36:07 from where he's come from to now.
36:10 - I love that. I love that.
36:12 So, right, there is,
36:15 there's something about you that I mentioned earlier, right,
36:18 where, like, you're very humble
36:19 and you seem, like, very grounded.
36:22 Like, even, like, when you're saying stuff,
36:24 like, do you know what?
36:26 Like, I love acting,
36:27 but I'm grateful to be in two of his projects.
36:31 Like, that balance between being content
36:34 but still striving for more
36:36 and wanting to show range and stuff.
36:38 And I just wanted to know, like,
36:40 because it's like you're not chasing the fame or the success,
36:43 but you're still working hard, like, et cetera.
36:46 Like, why are you so grounded?
36:49 Like, where does that come from?
36:51 - Ooh.
36:53 It's weird, 'cause...
36:56 Obviously, you've met me
36:58 and you're describing what you've experienced.
37:01 But if I describe myself,
37:02 I don't know if I describe myself that way,
37:04 you know what I mean?
37:05 But...
37:06 - And I'll give you context.
37:07 I'll give you some context.
37:09 The reason I say that is because
37:11 a lot of, like, new or, like, young actors
37:15 are hungry, hungry for their first TV credit,
37:18 hungry to be in everything, to get the experience,
37:21 hungry, hungry,
37:22 to the point that when things aren't working out for them,
37:27 it can lead to, like, mental challenges
37:30 in terms of, like, "Ugh, do I even want to do this?
37:33 Am I enough?" Et cetera.
37:34 Especially when they start on a high
37:37 and they might get, you know,
37:38 a few decent roles in a few projects
37:40 and then it might be quiet for a few years
37:42 and then...
37:43 So, but it seems like...
37:46 Like, you're not phased by any of...
37:48 Like, I just find it really interesting
37:51 that it's like you...
37:52 It's like, yeah.
37:54 - Okay, so...
37:55 A little bit comes from, like...
37:59 Just me generally,
38:01 I'm, like, a person who wants information.
38:04 I'm, like...
38:05 I want to be a bank of information, you know?
38:07 Whatever the information is, I want to know it, you know?
38:11 And...
38:12 That transferred into acting.
38:16 You know, that's...
38:17 I won't call it a skill,
38:19 but that thing is transferable, you know?
38:21 - Yeah.
38:22 - And so when I got into this world
38:25 and I started to make friends with people
38:27 and speak with people,
38:28 I would chew their ears off asking them questions, you know,
38:32 about their experiences, you know, in acting.
38:36 And I would just try and understand the mind of an actor
38:40 because I felt like an imposter.
38:42 So I tried to understand what they felt, you know?
38:46 So does that match what I'm feeling?
38:48 Then that gives me validation.
38:49 Does that make sense?
38:50 - Yeah.
38:51 - You know, if this guy who's been in this, this and that
38:53 feels this way,
38:54 oh, I feel the same way.
38:55 Oh, maybe I am an actor, you know?
38:58 Or maybe I should be here.
38:59 Maybe I'm not a fraud, you know?
39:01 Like, so...
39:03 I feel like that gave me a lot of information.
39:06 But the information that I did get was...
39:08 How do I say it?
39:11 It's like you start to get perspectives,
39:13 different people's perspectives.
39:15 Then you understand that person's character
39:17 and how all of these things could relate to you, you know?
39:20 So when people say they had a bad experience with their agents,
39:23 why, you know?
39:24 And then you start to understand, oh, okay,
39:26 I wouldn't have that problem because I'm not like whatever it is.
39:31 Or I probably could have that problem
39:33 because I'm kind of similar in that way.
39:35 And then you start to, you know, you just...
39:37 You start to just get information and just learn
39:40 and then you start to mould your own self with this information.
39:44 So when people... I would ask a lot about auditions and, you know,
39:47 when this comes... You know, on the set of Blue Story,
39:50 luckily, as I said, the environment was so dope
39:53 and all the bros on set were so cool.
39:56 A couple of them I just kind of knew,
39:58 but a lot of them I just met and they would give me information,
40:02 talk to me about staff agents and this and that
40:05 and just I felt like, "Okay, hmm, okay.
40:10 "I could do something here," you know?
40:13 Once you've learned this information,
40:15 you start to take it and you're like, "I could do something here.
40:18 "Am I good enough to speak with people to get an agent?
40:21 "Yeah, I think I am.
40:23 "Do I reckon that I can engage people's attention?
40:28 "I think I can."
40:30 You just start to, you know, you start to learn the little things
40:33 that could take you further and then you just apply it.
40:37 You apply it, but I'd say having this information
40:42 kind of made me more humble
40:45 because when I didn't get roles that I thought I should get,
40:50 I knew that, "Oh, my friend who's a great actor
40:53 "didn't get a certain role.
40:55 "Does that make sense?"
40:57 So then the mental effect on me is less
41:00 because if my man, who I believe is better than me,
41:03 didn't get a certain role over the guy who got it,
41:06 I'm like, "Whoa, how did that happen?"
41:08 But if it can happen to him, it can happen to me.
41:11 So it's not personal.
41:13 It's not, "I shouldn't take it as something that should make me stop acting."
41:18 Does that make sense?
41:20 Or make me not have faith in acting anymore.
41:22 Everything that happened that was bad, I was like,
41:24 "It happened to me! I'm actually happy that I went for that role."
41:28 And then I got a call back, I went in the room with them,
41:31 they loved me, they liked me, I thought I was getting it,
41:33 and then, bam, didn't get it.
41:35 It's a hurtful experience, but now I can say it's happened to me.
41:38 I felt it.
41:40 It's like children, they're scared to fall over until they fall over once,
41:43 and then after a while, you're scared for your child to fall over,
41:48 and then after a while, you don't even look at them when they fall over.
41:53 Do you know what I mean?
41:54 I felt that about myself.
41:57 But I wanted to fall over.
41:59 I was looking for what's going to trip me up to fall over
42:01 because everything was going so swimmingly well.
42:04 After Blue Story came out, I'm meeting with all the top agents.
42:08 I'm not meeting with just anyone.
42:10 I'm meeting with all the top agents.
42:12 I'm meeting with people that I never even imagined
42:17 could want to speak with me.
42:20 Not having an agent and having agents call you and say,
42:23 "Hey, I've got people that want to speak with you,"
42:26 and they're not even my agent,
42:28 that kind of thing can make you feel very--
42:30 give you feelings of grandeur, like you're very important,
42:33 but I'd already had friends tell me,
42:36 "When you're hot, they're going to be all over you
42:38 to get you in their books," and this and that.
42:40 Don't get gassed and be thinking that you're the most important person
42:46 in the world now, or whatever it is,
42:48 or you're the next mega star or whatever it is
42:50 because the industry's like that.
42:52 The industry's going to take an interest in you.
42:54 You was just in something big.
42:57 They're going to want to see what's happening with you.
42:59 That's just how life is.
43:01 Do you know what I'm saying?
43:02 So when I was having all these meetings and stuff like that,
43:05 I always knew in the back of my head that--
43:07 I'm not saying that this is not real,
43:09 but it was almost like this is what happens,
43:13 and just take it with a pinch of salt if that makes sense.
43:17 Don't get too carried away,
43:19 but make sure you're ready for every opportunity.
43:22 As I told you, Rap Man told me that from before,
43:25 make sure you're ready for the opportunity.
43:27 I'll never forget because when it was my Blue Story audition,
43:30 I was actually late to the audition,
43:32 and I called Rap Man, and I was like,
43:34 "Oh, bro, I'm late, blah, blah, blah."
43:36 He was like, "Oh, bro, don't even worry about it, man."
43:38 I just locked off.
43:40 I texted him like, "Yo, listen, bro, I'm on the way.
43:42 I'm still coming." He didn't reply.
43:44 I was thinking, "Oh, I'm messed up, man."
43:48 I still went down there, though.
43:49 I still went down there.
43:51 I turned up at the spot sweating like a dog.
43:55 Literally, obviously, I've missed my time,
43:57 but it's so mad.
43:59 When something's for you, it's for you.
44:03 I walked into that audition room at Spotlight in Leicester Square.
44:08 You walk upstairs, and you're seeing all these people,
44:11 and you know they're all for your role.
44:13 You're just like, "Egh."
44:15 I'm just rushed here. I haven't prepared properly.
44:18 I've read the lines, but I forgot when the actual audition was
44:23 because it was so far away from when I was told about it.
44:26 I hadn't gotten into this habit of using my calendar.
44:30 All of these things, now it would be unforgivable to not know
44:33 when your audition is. That's crazy.
44:35 That was my first ever audition for anything.
44:38 They told me months before, but real life was happening.
44:43 Then I forgot.
44:44 My little sister messaged me and said,
44:46 "Oh, good luck with your audition today."
44:48 I was like, "Huh? Today? No."
44:51 I checked my emails.
44:52 "Oh, it's today."
44:53 It's like 2 o'clock, and I'm at 1.45, and I'm two hours away.
44:58 I'm like, "Oh, I'm in Dartford."
45:01 I'm going to be in Leicester Square.
45:03 I'm calling him, and he's eventually answering.
45:06 I'm like, "Hey, listen, I'm on the way."
45:07 He's like, "June, you're meant to be coming soon.
45:08 Where are you coming?"
45:09 I'm like, "I'm calling you about I'm late."
45:12 He's like, "Oh, June, don't even worry about it, man.
45:14 I've got to go back in the room. I'll call you back."
45:18 He probably thought I'm just a joker.
45:20 I wasn't taking it seriously.
45:21 I didn't take in all the things he said.
45:23 I came down there, man, and I'll never forget Isabella Duffin.
45:27 She was the casting director.
45:29 Thank you to her for giving me grace as well, man.
45:32 Big 'ol up, man.
45:34 She just gave me my side, and she was like,
45:36 "Yeah, you can go over there."
45:37 I don't think she was expecting much.
45:39 I don't think she was expecting much, but all of that,
45:42 the feeling of--the underdog feeling is what made me go
45:46 into my audition and give it 100%, if that makes sense.
45:49 Not that I wouldn't have.
45:51 I don't know how it would have been if I'd just prepared
45:53 and gone there.
45:54 Maybe I'd have been too nervous and messed up.
45:56 I don't know.
45:57 But the feeling like, "I need this.
46:00 I want this."
46:02 It sounds cliche, but I want this more than anybody else here.
46:06 Does that make sense?
46:08 Yeah.
46:10 I feel like when I went into that audition room,
46:12 I just wasn't going to not perform.
46:15 I've got a video of my audition, because obviously,
46:19 Ratman was in the audition, him, the producer,
46:22 and casting director.
46:24 Obviously, Rat knows me, so his video.
46:27 There's a bit when I'm giving my lines,
46:30 and I can see the casting director giving a positive--
46:37 But obviously, at the time, I didn't see it.
46:39 It was only when Ratman sent me the video, I'm like,
46:41 "Okay, sick."
46:42 But I'd already gotten the role by the time he'd sent me
46:44 the video, by the way.
46:47 I was like, "Wow, I gave it my all."
46:50 It's like I'm seeing myself, but not recognizing myself.
46:53 That was the first time--
46:56 That's the first time I could say I was in a character
47:00 so much I was besides myself.
47:03 I was looking at myself, not recognizing myself.
47:07 I was in Madda.
47:09 It wasn't me playing Madda, it was just Madda.
47:12 I just created Madda there and then, if that makes sense.
47:16 Obviously, it was good enough, because yeah.
47:19 It's weird, because I can't remember exactly,
47:22 but I don't think I had any--
47:24 I think when I did my audition, there was like,
47:26 "We found him at last."
47:29 You know what I mean?
47:30 That's how I felt that feeling from the producer,
47:34 from Isabella, the casting director.
47:36 I had that feeling.
47:39 It was weird.
47:40 I don't know.
47:41 At the time, I didn't know.
47:42 Is it Ratman saying, "Make sure he gets the role?
47:45 Am I good enough?"
47:47 You know what I mean?
47:49 There's a whole whirlwind of stuff.
47:51 Until I saw my audition tape back,
47:53 because I would ask Ratman, "Why me?"
47:55 I would message his face up, and he just sent me the video.
47:58 Like, "Bro, you smashed it.
48:00 You're back to being Madda.
48:01 Start preparing.
48:03 Stop talking about how it comes."
48:05 Because as I told you, I'm in information,
48:07 but I want to know what they spoke about,
48:09 why I got the role.
48:10 He's like, "Bro, stop the questioning, bro.
48:12 You're Madda, bro."
48:14 You know what I mean?
48:15 Just trying to instill confidence in me.
48:16 I was just like, "All right, cool.
48:18 I'm going to stop thinking about that now and here."
48:20 Normally, you wouldn't be privy to that information anyway,
48:23 because it's only because I know him.
48:25 You're not privy to that type of information,
48:28 unless they want to give you some feedback,
48:30 but that's general feedback.
48:31 You know what I'm saying?
48:32 He was just like, "Don't worry about that.
48:34 You're Madda now, rah, rah."
48:35 He sent me the audition video, and I was like,
48:37 "Okay, I did my thing."
48:39 I can never see myself and think I'm doing something good.
48:43 Even a normal picture of me smiling, I'm like,
48:45 "Ah, don't put that up. It's ugly."
48:47 Let alone me acting.
48:48 Do you know what I mean?
48:49 That's the first time I looked and be like,
48:52 "I smashed it. That's me."
48:53 You know what I mean?
48:55 From then, that just gave me that confidence
48:58 that I could walk into a room and smash it.
49:00 I could do that.
49:01 I'm capable of that.
49:03 I feel like sometimes when I'm in doubt of myself,
49:06 I refer back to that moment like,
49:08 "Listen, you wasn't even prepared."
49:11 Literally, I learned the lines there and then
49:15 within half an hour.
49:16 It was literally 4 p.m. or something.
49:18 I don't know.
49:19 Maybe they were stopping the auditions at 5.30 or something.
49:22 I was the second to last or last person in.
49:26 I think I was the last person in, actually.
49:28 Not second to last. I was the last person in.
49:30 What are you talking about?
49:31 I still remember the time.
49:33 It was 2 p.m. I was supposed to be there.
49:35 I got there at 3 something, 4 something.
49:38 I still remember these little things.
49:40 Have you seen that when someone's sweating?
49:44 Yes.
49:45 [laughs]
49:47 This is what's happening before I've even got in there.
49:51 I'm reading the sides and I'm thinking,
49:54 "These man here can smell me."
49:56 That's what I'm thinking.
49:57 I'm thinking, "The rest of these men,
49:59 "who's this smelly you that's just walked in?
50:02 "He ain't getting the role."
50:03 You know what I'm saying?
50:04 That's what I'm thinking.
50:05 They're thinking about me.
50:06 Before I could even load into the lines,
50:08 I've had to recalibrate myself like,
50:11 "Listen, you're here now.
50:13 "You're reading the lines.
50:14 "You're going to have the opportunity to walk in
50:16 "and do your thing.
50:17 "Stop thinking about the fact that you was late
50:20 "and this and that and you stink.
50:22 "Just go in and do your thing."
50:25 That was it.
50:28 The preparation met the opportunity
50:30 and the marriage was made.
50:33 Man, do you know what?
50:36 Just bless you. God bless you, man.
50:39 I love the--
50:41 There's an innocence about you
50:43 which is so refreshing to see and hear.
50:50 And yeah, like--
50:53 It's just even a pleasure to hear
50:57 how you got the role
50:58 and that you still got the role
51:01 whilst all of these things are trying to battle
51:04 for your confidence, if that makes sense.
51:07 And even the support and reassurance
51:09 that Raps has given you along the way
51:12 and all of that stuff.
51:13 Yeah, man.
51:14 It's-- Nah, it's-- Yeah.
51:16 It's been a pleasure speaking, my bro.
51:18 I enjoyed it, man.
51:19 That time just flew by.
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