LIVE Patriots Daily: CFB Semi Recap + Championship preview w/ Alex Barth

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Taylor Kyles of CLNS Media teams up with Alex Barth from 98.5 The Sports Hub for a special edition of the Patriots Daily College Show. In this episode, they delve into the College Football Playoff semifinals and offer a preview of the Championship, with a focus on Washington quarterback Michael Penix and Michigan's JJ McCarthy. Additionally, they discuss Bo Nix's decision to participate in the Senior Bowl.

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Transcript
00:00 Day of the week, we're talking college football,
00:03 specifically some bowl games.
00:05 We had the Rose Bowl, we had the Sugar Bowl,
00:08 we had some really good performances
00:10 for different reasons.
00:12 Quick reminder, this show is brought to you
00:14 by our pals at FanDuel and SeatGeek,
00:16 more from them later.
00:17 But before we dive into what was a really good Monday
00:21 of football at the college level
00:23 and some of the quarterback prospects
00:25 who may or may not be in the draft this year,
00:29 or this summer, rather, Alex, how you doing, brother?
00:32 I'm good, how we doing, Taylor?
00:34 It's, we're getting down to it, here we go.
00:36 We're almost done.
00:37 How many times have people heard me say,
00:38 "Oh, we gotta get all the data,
00:40 "we gotta get all the information."
00:42 We're almost to the end of this,
00:43 and then the pre-draft process begins,
00:46 if you can believe that.
00:47 All the work we've done up to this point,
00:50 we have one game left,
00:51 and then that's when the pre-draft process starts.
00:54 And man, I can finally get to know
00:57 more than just the quarterbacks.
00:58 I got to see Blake Core, I mean, impossible to miss him.
01:02 He had a lot of good performances all over the place,
01:05 but we're gonna start off with the Rose Bowl.
01:07 So, a topic I wanna ask you about, J.J. McCarthy.
01:10 One of the big things in this game was,
01:12 is he gonna actually prove
01:14 that he can compete at the NFL level?
01:15 Should he declare for the draft,
01:16 or is this gonna be a game where you say,
01:18 "You know what, maybe he just takes another year in school,
01:21 "get some stuff worked out."
01:23 I think I know where you're gonna go with this,
01:24 but just, you know, so I can ask,
01:27 does he need to go back to school,
01:28 or do you think he showed it up to potentially declare?
01:30 - I don't think he needs to go back to school.
01:33 Like, he can probably come out and be a,
01:37 whatever you wanna call it, a top 200, maybe top 150 pick.
01:41 But I just, the numbers were impressive, right?
01:45 17 for 27, 221 yards, three touchdowns, no picks.
01:48 Can throw a little asterisk on that, no picks, right?
01:51 'Cause he got kind of bailed out
01:52 on the first play of the game.
01:54 But I really think you mentioned Blake Coram.
01:56 We'll talk about Roman Wilson as well.
01:57 I thought this was a really good game
01:59 for Michigan skilled position players.
02:01 This was another one where, to me, J.J. McCarthy,
02:05 even though he threw the ball 27 times,
02:08 was as much in the passenger seat
02:10 as he was in the driver's seat.
02:11 You look at his, you know,
02:13 he won big time throw according to PFF.
02:15 His average depth of target was six yards per attempt,
02:18 which, Bo Nix's for the season was six,
02:21 and that was, you know, outside of the top 80 nationally.
02:24 So that's not that aggressive of a game.
02:27 He did have a couple of nice throws.
02:29 The one, well, first off, he made a great catch.
02:32 - Yeah. - And then the throw
02:33 to get the ball off on that,
02:34 which should have been a failed trick play,
02:35 I think was a nice one.
02:37 And he has that one other throw.
02:39 I don't think it was, I'm trying to remember.
02:40 I don't think it was a touchdown.
02:41 It got them down to the red zone,
02:42 where he rolls to his left and kind of pulls back up
02:45 and throws a little bit right.
02:46 - Right hander. - I can't remember
02:48 who that was.
02:49 I think it was to Roman Wilson,
02:50 but, you know, picked up a decent game there.
02:53 But overall, he still looks very raw.
02:55 I kind of felt watching him a little bit,
02:57 like I felt watching Bailey Zappi
02:59 on Sunday against the Bills,
03:00 where there are certainly individual plays in there
03:02 where you're like, oh, okay, that's impressive.
03:05 But there's too much just bleh in between all of it
03:10 to look at him and take him seriously
03:12 as a starting NFL quarterback.
03:14 Now, Bailey's what, 24, 25 years old?
03:17 He's going into the third year of his rookie contract.
03:20 He doesn't necessarily have the time
03:22 to turn that around and be a legitimate starter.
03:24 I could argue that for J.J. McCarthy,
03:26 but that's not a first round pick.
03:28 That's a guy you're taking in the third round,
03:31 maybe late in the second.
03:32 You have an established starter.
03:34 You know, this is a guy you're at the very least
03:37 sit for a year, maybe two,
03:39 kind of like the Packers did with Jordan Love.
03:41 Jordan Love probably shouldn't have been a first round pick.
03:43 That was just a weak, weaker quarterback class.
03:46 - Yeah.
03:47 - That's where I'm at with J.J. McCarthy.
03:49 It wouldn't surprise me if he comes out,
03:50 'cause again, I still think he'll get a decent pick.
03:52 Now, he can go back to school and have a massive NIL deal.
03:55 He's probably gonna make more money, not overall,
03:59 but in the year 2024, he'll make more money
04:01 going back to school than he will going to the NFL.
04:02 I truly believe that.
04:03 Maybe he just wants to get to the pros though.
04:06 And if he does, that's his prerogative
04:07 and great, good for him.
04:09 He's not a first round pick.
04:10 He's not a year one starter.
04:12 He's not right now close to being a potential franchise guy.
04:17 That's just not, it's out the window.
04:20 I didn't think he was exceptional in this game.
04:23 He had moments where he was really rough
04:25 and I think you have to look at those.
04:27 - And then we had a comment in the chat,
04:29 depth of targets to Thomas Satton football.
04:31 Who cares if he throws six yards or if it's 17.
04:33 I'm very confused.
04:34 Okay, so I understand where you're coming from,
04:37 but it's important because one,
04:39 if you're looking at say like a Bo Nix,
04:41 like a big part of the discussion with him is that,
04:43 you know, you see the accuracy
04:44 and his stats look good from afar,
04:46 but the average depth of target matters
04:48 because it shows how often they're testing downfield windows.
04:51 That's important in the NFL because we saw Mac Jones
04:54 when he had, you know, for the games where he was having
04:56 like a four or five yard average depth of target
04:58 wasn't impressive.
04:59 And in the NFL, if you're just going to throw under 10 yards,
05:03 defenses are going to start taking advantage.
05:04 They're going to start jumping routes,
05:06 makes you more predictable.
05:07 And in the college level, you know,
05:09 you have your Justin Herbert's where he was
05:11 in a similar situation at Oregon,
05:12 where he wasn't throwing downfield a lot
05:14 because it was just a scheme that was a lot of RPOs
05:16 and things like that.
05:17 Then he gets to the NFL and you see, okay,
05:19 he does have the talent to do more than that.
05:21 So it's not an end all be all stat.
05:23 That's a fair thing to point out.
05:24 But at the same time,
05:26 JJ hasn't also shown consistently
05:29 that he can win as a downfield passer.
05:31 And that's something where teams are going to say,
05:33 like to your point,
05:33 that's what kind of slips you in the draft order.
05:35 When you've shown that you can perform
05:37 at that kind of level,
05:38 and you're not a Justin Herbert,
05:39 where Justin Herbert clearly had the physical talent,
05:41 it was more a question of, okay, he hasn't done it yet.
05:44 Is it going to translate to the league?
05:46 And it did.
05:46 JJ isn't the same physical specimen.
05:48 So it's a fair point to make,
05:51 but that is why those stats matter
05:53 because the NFL is going to look at that and say,
05:55 well, I want to see him make NFL caliber throws.
05:59 And that's not really happening.
06:00 If you're in a college offense
06:02 where RPOs are already rampant
06:03 and you're not really throwing downfield very often.
06:05 - So, and my point is like so many people will point to,
06:08 oh, he threw for, you know, a guy,
06:10 and this isn't just JJ McCarthy,
06:12 this is anybody,
06:13 threw for X number of yards.
06:15 And, you know, look at this.
06:16 He's this big yardage quarterback.
06:18 'Cause that's, I think,
06:19 whatever he wants in New England, right?
06:20 A guy that can, but if he's throwing the ball
06:23 two yards down the field,
06:25 and then the receiver makes five guys miss,
06:28 and it goes as a 25 yard gain, who made the play?
06:33 Who really made the play?
06:34 Was it the two yard?
06:35 And that's not to say two yard pass can't be impressive.
06:37 Maybe he shook a defender or whatever,
06:38 but like it just kind of tells you
06:41 who's carrying the brunt of the workload.
06:44 And you have a guy like, you know, JJ McCarthy,
06:47 whose ADOT was six.
06:48 And if you'll just allow me a second here to pull this up
06:50 for point of comparison,
06:52 you want to guess what Michael,
06:54 actually Michael Pennock's ADOT is lower
06:55 than what I thought it was going to be.
06:57 It's 9.1, which isn't a bad number.
06:59 I just thought it was going to be something absurd.
07:01 The guy, Quinn Ewers was 11,
07:03 and Alabama had a really weird game plan.
07:05 I doubt Jalen Milrose was that high.
07:07 Jalen Milrose was 8.3.
07:10 So, you know, by multiple yards, the lowest of the week.
07:15 And just to bring this same commenter up,
07:17 who cares if the play's made at a 70% clip?
07:20 To bring it back to the Patriots,
07:24 and this is something that goes to, you know,
07:25 oh, well, a lot of these quarterbacks
07:27 have all this talent around them.
07:29 Do the Patriots have a guy like a Blake Coram
07:32 who can make guys miss those tackles
07:34 and create after the catch?
07:35 Do they have a guy like a Roman Wilson
07:37 who can make some of these plays?
07:39 That's the point.
07:40 It's not, the completion percentage matters.
07:43 Like, it's important, certainly.
07:44 But if you're just completing it
07:46 three yards down the field every time,
07:48 and then you go to a situation
07:49 where you don't have guys that can complete after the,
07:51 compete after the catch.
07:53 - Like the Patriots?
07:55 - Right, exactly.
07:56 Like, then, so what, so there's just going to be
07:58 three-yard checkdowns and tackles,
07:59 and that's kind of how you end up with Mac Jones.
08:02 So, it, the plays are being made,
08:05 but you have to look at the full picture there.
08:07 And I know this is going to sound a little hypocritical,
08:09 because we're going to talk later about Michael Penix,
08:13 and everybody's going to talk about,
08:15 everybody's going to come in the comments and say,
08:16 well, Michael Penix has so much star around him,
08:19 star power around him, that how can you, you know,
08:22 bank on him being good in the NFL
08:24 when he's not going to have that same star power?
08:26 You have to look at what the quarterback does in a bubble.
08:30 And yes, some of these guys have great offensive lines.
08:32 Yes, some of these guys have great receivers.
08:34 Take the other, well, I don't want to say
08:37 take the other 21 guys out of the picture,
08:39 because I think the corner matters in this,
08:42 but what does, what does the quarterback do?
08:46 Does he make the right read?
08:48 Are his mechanics good?
08:50 When the ball gets to the receiver, where is it placed?
08:52 I don't really care what the receiver does
08:54 after the catch, sort of,
08:55 does the quarterback allow the receiver, right?
08:57 Does he set him up, lead him,
08:58 to where he can create after the catch?
09:00 When you watch the Michigan offense, again,
09:02 there were, there's that one throw
09:04 that JJ McCarthy made rolling to his left,
09:07 where he comes back and throws across his body and hits it.
09:10 That's a nice throw.
09:11 If he was doing consistently,
09:12 I'd feel a lot better of it, about it.
09:14 But there's too many times where,
09:16 here's what I'd say if you're looking at it this way,
09:19 stop, stop the film as soon as you see the catch.
09:23 Stop the film as soon as you see the catch
09:24 and tell me what he looks like.
09:26 If you watch JJ McCarthy in that context,
09:29 you're not going to see a ton of big plays.
09:31 You're not.
09:31 And I'm not, I'm not saying that every play
09:34 has to be a big play.
09:35 I think there's value in guys that know
09:37 when to hit the check down.
09:39 It's finding that balance.
09:40 And right now, there's just not enough
09:42 on JJ McCarthy's shoulders.
09:44 And this goes back to my overarching point on JJ McCarthy.
09:46 Everybody thinks I think he sucks.
09:48 'Cause I say he's not a first round pick.
09:50 A lot of quarterbacks that aren't first round picks.
09:51 Most quarterbacks aren't first round picks.
09:53 Some good quarterbacks aren't first round picks.
09:55 I don't know that JJ McCarthy's good.
09:58 I don't know that JJ McCarthy's bad.
10:00 I haven't seen him be asked to do enough
10:04 to feel strongly about it one way or the other.
10:05 I think if you feel strongly that he's good,
10:07 you're kidding yourself.
10:08 I think if you feel strongly that he's terrible,
10:10 you're kidding yourself.
10:11 He's a total unknown.
10:13 But the reality is you really shouldn't be using
10:15 a first round pick on a total unknown.
10:18 That's how you end up with Trey Lance.
10:20 So I just think there needs to be,
10:23 you need to see more from JJ McCarthy.
10:26 Now maybe you're an NFL team saying,
10:27 look, he's 6'3", he's 20 years old,
10:30 he's got some athletic traits.
10:31 We'll see more in camp, right?
10:33 We'll see more in camp and we'll sit him for a year
10:35 and we'll see more in practice.
10:36 And great, if that's the plan,
10:38 and I think there will be teams, frankly,
10:40 that see that and if he comes out,
10:41 we'll be somewhat aggressive.
10:43 But I'm not gonna get to see that.
10:46 The Patriots don't really have the time to do that.
10:48 And that's why, at least for,
10:50 certainly for the Patriots, he's not a first round pick.
10:52 And most teams that need a quarterback
10:54 don't have the time and the luxury.
10:57 And the teams that do have a quarterback
10:58 and are maybe looking two or three years down the road
11:01 aren't gonna take that guy in the first round
11:03 'cause they're trying to maximize
11:04 the quarterback they have now.
11:06 So that's where I'm at on JJ McCarthy.
11:08 I don't think this game changed me a ton for him
11:10 one way or the other.
11:11 I think it more so just reinforced how I felt.
11:13 And yeah, to go back to the original point, Taylor,
11:15 'cause I realized we've gone around and around and around.
11:18 It would be, I think if he goes back to school,
11:22 especially with what next year's quarterback class
11:25 is looking like and Cam Ward declaring over the weekend,
11:28 which we'll get to a little bit at the end,
11:29 we'll see what Penix does.
11:30 JJ McCarthy probably is a first round pick next year
11:33 if he has a decent year 'cause Michigan's offense
11:36 is gonna look very different without Roman Wilson,
11:38 without Blake Corham, without Donovan Edwards,
11:40 without some of these offensive linemen
11:42 they're gonna lose.
11:43 He's gonna have more of a chance to prove what he can do.
11:45 And if he plays up to that potential, yeah,
11:47 he probably is a first round pick next year.
11:49 Money shouldn't matter.
11:50 He's gonna get a big fat NIL deal.
11:52 It's gotta be fun being a quarterback
11:54 at the University of Michigan right now,
11:55 I would think being on that campus.
11:57 All the reason in the world for him to go back to school
11:58 unless he just like really wants to be
12:00 in the NFL right now.
12:02 - And we're gonna really focus on draft prospects
12:04 to this one, but we have to address Jalen Milrow.
12:06 You mentioned he had the eight yard average up the target,
12:08 but he only averaged five yards per attempt.
12:11 What is this, 60 for 23, 116 yards, 45.1 passer rating.
12:15 Not great.
12:16 Then he ran 21 times for 63 yards, three yard average,
12:19 not his best performance.
12:21 The quotes came out, I believe it was over the weekend
12:23 or just before the weekend, about how Bill O'Brien,
12:26 you said that he didn't think that he was a quarterback.
12:29 Did he prove Bill O'Brien wrong?
12:30 And also, what did you think of the last play call?
12:33 Because everybody's talking about it.
12:35 I'm curious what your thoughts were,
12:36 because obviously there were snapping problems all game.
12:39 And you call a play where it's pretty heavily dependent
12:42 on a good snap that you hadn't had.
12:43 And that's, it felt like there had to have been something
12:46 in your playbook that was better than that,
12:47 given the circumstances.
12:49 - And I don't know if you saw this today, Taylor.
12:51 This was like a couple hours ago.
12:52 Seth McLaughlin, the center, is entering
12:55 the transfer portal.
12:57 So he won't be back at Alabama next year.
12:59 Probably what's best for everybody, I would think.
13:01 I hate, I didn't think Tommy Reese
13:04 called a good game throughout.
13:06 I think there were things that would work
13:08 and he would instantly go away from them.
13:10 Some of the Jalen Milrow designed run stuff.
13:12 I thought they were making some things work
13:14 against the screen on the aggressive Michigan front.
13:17 Michigan's front was awesome in this game, outstanding.
13:22 They didn't really get Jermaine Burton involved a ton.
13:24 I thought he should have had a bigger role.
13:26 And you know, Michigan has a good secondary,
13:28 but he's a guy that you've got to scheme touches for.
13:31 And then the last call, when you can't get it snapped,
13:33 and I know there's some people saying
13:34 that it was actually an RPO call, it wasn't a designed run.
13:37 And if you look at it, the running back motions over
13:41 and it's maybe, does he swing it out
13:42 to the running back or go?
13:43 He loses that opportunity on the bad snap,
13:45 which again, the bad snap.
13:47 Michigan sitting on that run.
13:49 You know what play would have been awesome there?
13:50 In hindsight, 2020, but just looking
13:53 at the way Michigan approached it,
13:54 the old Tim Tebow jump pass, they hit that.
13:57 Absolutely in that situation, you guys,
13:59 I kind of like in the back of my head, I had that thought.
14:02 Yeah, but on Milborough, I know so many people
14:06 want to take a victory lap on, you know,
14:08 the Bill O'Brien comments and say,
14:09 "Oh, look, O'Brien was right.
14:10 You know, he's not a quarterback."
14:12 He got them there.
14:13 He got them to the college football playoff.
14:15 And I don't know that any of the other guys
14:17 on the roster were going to.
14:18 They had a couple of freshmen who looked overwhelmed
14:20 in their opportunities.
14:21 Tyler Buckner is now a lacrosse player.
14:24 So you're going to tell me he was going to get them there.
14:25 He sucked for Notre Dame last year.
14:27 You can't take those O'Brien comments
14:32 in the context of the NFL.
14:33 Because that's not, I know that's how people think it works.
14:38 O'Brien's trying to get Alabama national championship
14:40 when he's the offense coordinator.
14:41 That is first and foremost, his objective.
14:44 And Jalen Milrow proved to be,
14:47 after the departure of Bryce Young,
14:49 the best option to get them to a college football playoff.
14:52 Had O'Brien had his way,
14:54 Alabama probably doesn't play yesterday at all.
14:57 And that's where I think,
14:58 you want to take a victory lap on the game, fine.
15:00 It definitely wasn't Milrow's best game.
15:03 But he's a quarterback, he is.
15:05 And we'll see what he does next year.
15:07 I think it was a smart decision,
15:08 very smart decision by him to go back to school.
15:10 He got a lot better this year,
15:11 but he still has a lot of getting better to do.
15:13 And we'll see.
15:14 But yeah, I do wish Tommy Reese had called a better game
15:17 though, 'cause I think that game was there to be had.
15:19 And they just, it was too,
15:21 they didn't just pick one thing and stick with it.
15:23 And you want to vary your offense,
15:25 but it felt too scattered.
15:27 It was hard to tell, watching that game,
15:29 all right, what was the game plan?
15:31 What of Michigan's defense were they trying to attack?
15:34 Were there certain players they wanted to attack?
15:36 Were there certain guys that they wanted to emphasize?
15:38 It was like, they were just throwing things against the wall
15:40 and seeing what's stuck.
15:41 And it was frustrating.
15:43 - Speaking of Alabama players
15:45 who didn't have their best performance, J.C. Latham.
15:47 Now early in the game,
15:48 obviously blew a huge hole open for the big touchdown run.
15:51 We also had the sack where he could have picked up
15:54 one of two guys, usually for an offensive lineman,
15:56 the rule is you take the inside most threat.
15:58 So the quarterback has a little bit more time
16:00 because that's the shortest path for the quarterback.
16:01 He didn't take either.
16:03 It was a sack.
16:04 Do you think that performance at all affected
16:07 his draft status or at least just your opinion
16:09 on the kind of player he is and where, you know,
16:12 if he's a Patriots target,
16:13 where they could potentially think about taking him?
16:15 - So you said Latham?
16:16 - Yes.
16:17 - Latham.
16:19 - If anything, this game made him more likely
16:22 for the Patriots, even though I didn't think he played well.
16:25 And if you just hang with me, like,
16:27 it's all Patriots love bad players.
16:28 He's the third tackle in this draft.
16:33 He's probably gonna go somewhere between 10 and 15.
16:35 That means the Patriots either trading back
16:37 and not taking a quarterback.
16:39 Or if you're gonna take a tackle, you don't trade back.
16:41 You take Joe Alter or Lou Foshana, right?
16:43 Or just trading way up in the first round,
16:46 which you're talking about getting from,
16:48 even if it's pick 34, getting from 34 back into the top 15
16:52 without giving up a first round pick is nearly impossible.
16:56 You're gonna have to give it like multiple firsts
16:57 down the road.
16:58 So he kinda, as good of a player as he is,
17:02 he wasn't on the table.
17:03 If scouts are really gonna look at this game,
17:05 maybe it knocks him down into that 20s range.
17:08 And maybe now it's realistic to trade up from 34
17:10 to have a shot at him.
17:11 And he kind of falls back to that path with,
17:13 I mean, we'll talk about Troy Fittanu in a little bit,
17:16 the Washington tackle.
17:17 Patrick Paul's another guy liking that range,
17:19 that kind of 30 to 50 range.
17:21 There's a bunch of tackles that are gonna go in there
17:23 and maybe he kinda ends up, not 30 to 50,
17:26 but like 20 to 50, something like that.
17:28 But yeah, he looked overwhelmed at times.
17:30 I didn't think this was his best game.
17:32 And it's gonna be, scouts pay a little more attention
17:36 to these and that's definitely,
17:38 you're gonna hear the Michigan game a lot,
17:39 I think when you talk about Latham
17:42 as we get into the draft process.
17:44 - Yeah, especially on a staff like Alabama.
17:46 Like there are times where you're saying at the college,
17:48 I'm like, okay, in the NFL,
17:50 you're gonna get better coaching.
17:51 First of all, with the Patriots,
17:52 we have no idea who their offensive line coach
17:53 is gonna be next year.
17:54 So that's not a guarantee.
17:55 But also Alabama is one of the programs
17:57 where you're saying, all right,
17:58 he was getting some of the best coaching
17:59 that you're gonna find in college football.
18:01 How much can he grow in a reasonable time span
18:05 where he's an instant starter?
18:06 Because if you're taking him with that kind of capital,
18:08 you're hoping he could be a pretty quick contributor.
18:10 What else we got here?
18:11 Blake Corham and Roman Wilson
18:13 did have some pretty good performances.
18:15 Let's turn this thing around, talk to positives.
18:17 What did you think?
18:18 - Blake Corham was the best player on the field
18:21 in the Rose Bowl.
18:22 He was probably the second best player overall
18:25 of the semifinals.
18:26 I think it's obvious who the best was,
18:28 who I think the best was at least, and we'll get to him.
18:31 Blake Corham was just awesome in this game, man.
18:34 He took the game over in a way that,
18:36 look, it's easier for running backs
18:38 to take the game over in college
18:40 than it is in the pros, obviously,
18:42 but you still don't see it to the extent
18:44 to which Blake Corham did on Monday.
18:48 He was, what didn't he do, right?
18:50 He ran between the tackles, he ran outside the tackles,
18:52 he broke tackles, he made guys miss, he caught the football.
18:56 He did a little bit of pass protection.
18:58 He's a true, well-rounded back.
19:01 You have a job, Blake Corham will do it.
19:05 And he did it on a big stage against an elite defense.
19:09 He should be, apparently there's a bunch of people
19:12 who don't have him as RB1, and I get people
19:15 like Travion Henderson, who's the running back
19:17 at Ohio State, I do like him as well.
19:20 I don't know how Blake Corham's not RB1, though.
19:22 I mean, this guy is just, again, well,
19:26 I don't wanna go to, I think, well-rounded running back,
19:28 right, the first guy I go to is Christian McCaffrey.
19:30 I don't wanna go that far, that's too much,
19:33 but you wanna talk about Austin Eckler,
19:35 I think is a guy he looks a lot like.
19:37 I haven't really thought of a confirm,
19:41 I'm kinda doing this off the fly.
19:43 If there was a finesse version of Romandre Stevenson,
19:46 right, Romandre's more of a power back,
19:47 he can catch the ball a little bit.
19:48 I think Corham's a better receiver.
19:50 Really good, what it does mean is I loved Blake Corham
19:54 for the Patriots, can you get him early on day three,
19:58 like about where they took Romandre, right?
19:59 Essentially as Romandre's replacement.
20:01 A lot of people are talking about Blake Corham
20:03 as the new third down back.
20:05 He's beyond that, he could handle that role,
20:08 but you're kinda limiting him if that's
20:11 entirely how you use him.
20:12 That all being said, I don't see how Blake Corham
20:15 gets to day three at this point, I don't.
20:17 If he's not the first running back off the board,
20:20 he certainly should be the second.
20:22 And if the Patriots want him,
20:24 they're probably gonna have to take him around.
20:25 Maybe they pick up an extra third somehow,
20:27 take him late in the third.
20:29 I'd love to see him here, 'cause I think they would have,
20:32 and I guess we don't know who the offensive coordinator is,
20:34 but in a current system, I think he'd be a great fit.
20:36 But yeah, kinda tough, kinda tough to see how that happens,
20:40 'cause I think he legitimately,
20:41 so I said Michael Penix is probably
20:45 the most impressive player on the field,
20:46 but Penix's draft stock was already pretty high.
20:49 I don't know that any player improved their draft stock
20:52 on Monday more than Blake Corham did.
20:54 He was fantastic.
20:56 - Yeah, and you talked about where he could be taken.
20:58 It's no secret that running back is undervalued
21:00 in the modern NFL, but all it takes is one team that says,
21:02 "Hey, we don't necessarily need a receiver or tight end,
21:05 we need a playmaker, someone who we can lean on
21:08 in certain situations, who we know
21:09 is gonna provide for us week in and week out
21:11 and be one of the most productive players."
21:13 All it takes is one of those people to take him
21:14 in one of the, maybe not the first round.
21:16 I think we're kinda well past that at this point,
21:18 unless you are an electric, game-breaking speed,
21:21 you know, that kinda deal.
21:22 But I mean, even end of the second, again,
21:25 all it takes is a team who feels comfortable enough
21:27 investing in him as somebody who could be
21:29 one of the faces of their franchise,
21:30 the faces of their offense, and then he's gone.
21:32 But hopefully he can be in the Patriots' range,
21:34 because especially with what they like to do on offense,
21:37 so difficult to talk about what the Patriots
21:38 are gonna do next year, because we don't know
21:39 who's gonna be running things,
21:41 but it's probably gonna be Bill O'Brien,
21:42 and you know, they do like to have,
21:44 not only the versatility, but the ability
21:45 to lean on the run game at will,
21:48 when the offensive line allows them to.
21:50 We got more to talk about,
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22:36 - All right, so the Sugar Bowl.
22:39 Now, I think everybody knows who we wanna talk about most,
22:42 but we gotta tease you a little bit first.
22:43 So let's start off with Quinn Ewers.
22:46 Now, for most of this game,
22:47 it didn't look like he was somebody
22:49 who really was gonna be able to get out of college.
22:51 It seemed like, all right,
22:52 real relatively quiet performance,
22:54 maybe this guy's gotta come back to school.
22:56 To his credit, Texas did fight back,
22:59 and they nearly won the game,
23:00 although I don't know what that last play call was.
23:03 It looked like something they drew up in the dirt,
23:05 where it's the goal line fade,
23:06 but literally, the placement was off,
23:09 but it was just such a bizarre kind of play call and throw.
23:13 It kind of blew my mind.
23:14 But do you think that Quinn Ewers did enough
23:17 to maybe push to say, okay,
23:19 I think that I've done enough to show
23:22 that I can compete with a guy like Michael Panix,
23:24 who rose his stock?
23:25 Or do you think, yeah, go back to school,
23:29 get another good year in,
23:30 where any of the questions people have,
23:31 you can just solidify?
23:33 What's your take there?
23:35 - Yeah, I think he's going back.
23:36 I thought he played well in this game.
23:39 He made some throws early on.
23:40 What was really impressive was he made a difference
23:42 with his legs, which we haven't seen him do.
23:44 And that's an interesting angle to add to his game.
23:47 Got going in the second half.
23:49 I thought he was placing the ball really well,
23:52 hit Jadavian Sanders on a couple crossers.
23:54 The deep ball to Whittington
23:55 to set up that last touchdown was good.
23:57 The high point to A.D. Mitchell,
23:59 but of course, he missed the one throw.
24:00 He hits that throw to A.D. Mitchell at the end,
24:02 and Taylor, what I think the play call was,
24:04 was, all right, we got one of the best jump ball receivers
24:07 in the nation on a 5'11" corner.
24:09 He's, A.D. Mitchell down there somewhere, right?
24:13 I think that's essentially what that was.
24:14 And there is a window, right?
24:16 If he throws that more as a comeback,
24:20 or as a back shoulder, and not as much as an out,
24:22 I mean, Mitchell got the separation.
24:25 And it's a great play, I'm blanking on the corner's name.
24:28 It's a great play by the corner.
24:30 I don't know if you saw the back angle, Taylor,
24:32 of that, where the corner comes around with his arm,
24:35 but doesn't touch him.
24:36 It knocks the ball away, like it was as clean of a PVU
24:39 as your, it was just high level football all around.
24:41 But I don't know, I think yours is gonna have his people
24:45 kind of put their feelers out and go to the NFL
24:47 and see if he has a real chance to be a first round pick.
24:49 But was he good?
24:52 Yes.
24:53 Did he do enough to maybe wow teams to jump some other guys?
24:57 I think there are teams that would say, you know,
24:59 yeah, we like him as a first round pick,
25:01 but not ahead of so-and-so, so-and-so, and so-and-so.
25:03 And it's like, okay, well, they have four quarterbacks
25:06 ahead of them, they're picking 10th,
25:07 so they're not gonna take up, right?
25:09 That sort of thing, you do that math.
25:11 So it wouldn't surprise me if he comes out.
25:14 I'll say it wouldn't surprise me,
25:15 as I'm doing my big board right now,
25:17 I actually wrote out a big board this morning
25:18 and I left them off.
25:19 But it wouldn't surprise me either way,
25:24 but gut feeling, he goes back to school.
25:28 Now, what happens with Arch Manning and him
25:30 becomes another very fascinating story.
25:33 I wonder if Arch Manning transfers,
25:35 'cause I think Quinn Ewer is a better quarterback,
25:37 but we'll see what happens with that.
25:40 But no, I thought he was good,
25:42 definitely left a couple of throws on the table,
25:44 but this was a good performance
25:47 against a good, not great defense.
25:49 - Jatavian Sanders and A.D. Mitchell,
25:53 do you think that they're legitimate options
25:55 for the Patriots?
25:55 Now, we're gonna kind of get into the discussion
25:57 of who they should take, where they should take.
25:59 We've already had those debates,
26:01 but do you think the realistic options for New England?
26:03 - Oh yeah, and I'll throw Xavier Worthy in there as well.
26:07 I know Xavier Worthy didn't have a great game.
26:09 I wonder if he was still dealing with that sprained ankle
26:12 he suffered in the Big 12 Championship.
26:15 Those three guys are all gonna be top,
26:17 call it 60 picks, probably top 50.
26:20 I would love it if the Patriots came away with those guys.
26:23 For me, ranking them personally,
26:25 and this is a, you can rank them in whatever order you want.
26:28 I don't think there's an argument.
26:29 It's just, what are you looking for?
26:31 - It's flavor, yep.
26:31 - Right, Xavier Worthy to me is the top guy
26:33 'cause speed, quickness, elusiveness,
26:36 ability after the catch, I love all of that.
26:39 Then I'd probably go Jatavian Sanders
26:41 'cause I think he's got great makeup for a tight end.
26:43 They're gonna need a tight, like a long-term tight end option.
26:46 I think he's a guy, if you drafted him
26:49 and had him play second fiddle
26:50 to like Hunter Henry for a year, right?
26:52 Maybe a franchise tag Hunter Henry, bring him back.
26:54 Jatavian Sanders, your T.E. two for a year.
26:56 Doesn't mean he doesn't contribute,
26:57 but like you're not banking on him.
26:59 Give him a year to really kind of work on his game
27:01 and then have him take over in 2025.
27:03 I think that would make a ton of sense.
27:05 I do really like A.D. Mitchell too.
27:07 I just, they have, they've tried.
27:10 How many times have we seen them try
27:12 with these big body X outside guys
27:14 and they just can't figure it out?
27:16 Maybe it's a different coaching staff, I feel differently,
27:18 but you still have Devontae Parker under contract.
27:20 Like that to me would feel a lot like,
27:22 I don't know, you're moving on
27:25 from Devontae Parker at that point.
27:26 'Cause I don't see a Parker and A.D. Mitchell
27:28 are both on the field.
27:28 So that's my order.
27:31 If they move on from Parker,
27:32 Mitchell moves up, something like that.
27:34 Right, exactly.
27:36 Well, ideally they're moving on from Parker for T. Higgins,
27:38 in which case again, you don't need A.D.
27:39 - Yes, yes, yes.
27:40 - I mean, I would not be upset if they landed any of them.
27:43 I really wouldn't.
27:44 I think they're all really good.
27:45 But I think Sanders specifically in this game,
27:47 Mitchell had that one really nice catch
27:49 for the touchdown where it looked like he,
27:50 like Mario double jumped, which was awesome.
27:53 You saw with Sanders, the athleticism,
27:56 he's going up, he's catching some of those footballs
27:58 above his head.
27:59 And then at 6'4", 250,
28:02 his ability to come down from that
28:04 and just shift his momentum and get up field.
28:06 He's a chore to tackle.
28:08 I think you kind of saw the flashes with him
28:10 that are really fun.
28:11 He is a converted defensive end.
28:13 So his technique is still a little raw.
28:16 I would, if that scares anybody,
28:17 I would point to Keon White,
28:19 who was a tight end who converted a defensive end.
28:22 Jatavia and Sanders, it's kind of a weird comp to make,
28:25 but there's actually, in terms of the profile,
28:28 the athletic profile,
28:29 Jatavia and Sanders is kind of similar to Keon White.
28:32 They just switch positions the other way.
28:34 We're like, you're talking about a guy
28:35 that's a freak athlete, has made some great strides
28:38 in his first few years playing this position.
28:40 He's gonna need to kind of work on his game
28:42 and grow his game.
28:43 And that's why he's not a first round pick.
28:44 There's gonna be some growing pains with that.
28:46 But boy, if you develop him right,
28:47 I mean, we're seeing it with Keon White right now.
28:49 We saw what he did against the Bills.
28:51 Picture that on offense.
28:54 I think that's what you're talking about
28:55 with a guy like Jatavia and Sanders,
28:56 if he goes to the right situation.
28:58 So I really liked what I saw from him.
28:59 I thought he was probably Texas's best,
29:02 definitely the best offensive player in this game,
29:04 maybe their best overall player.
29:05 I thought Byron Murphy, the defensive tackle,
29:07 had a really good game as well.
29:08 - Yeah.
29:09 And yeah, you mentioned how you could resign Hunter Henry
29:11 and still use him.
29:12 It kind of reminds me of an Algie Crumpler situation
29:14 where when they took Hernandez and they took Ron Kawuski,
29:17 it was like, Crumpler was clearly the starter,
29:19 but there was plenty of snaps to go around
29:21 for the young guys.
29:22 He obviously still contributed.
29:24 DeMario Douglas just passed Rob Gronkowski's,
29:26 I think it's his receiving yards,
29:29 a total from his rookie year,
29:30 and then he's 16-yard shy of Hernandez.
29:32 So there's still plenty of those to go around.
29:34 But here's the thing.
29:35 So Troy Faltanu, people are talking about,
29:38 is he a guard, is he a tackle?
29:39 Well, according to Jim Nagy, he has 34 1/2 inch arms.
29:43 That's a tackle- - He hit the benchmarks, baby.
29:45 - There we go.
29:46 So, and I know our buddy Damian at the Draft Network
29:49 was saying, if you just have him at tackle,
29:52 and if he can't do it in training camp, then you move him,
29:55 but you take him and you expect him
29:56 to just stick at the same position.
29:58 So, Brandon Thorne has him, another friend of the show,
30:02 as a late first round, early second round pick.
30:06 Where are you leaning?
30:06 'Cause you know where I stand.
30:08 I think, like you just said,
30:09 there's so many receiver prospects that you can take,
30:12 and obviously we're talking about really more
30:14 towards, again, end of the first or the second round.
30:16 But throughout the draft, you can find really talented guys
30:18 who can contribute for you early.
30:20 Would you wanna take that tackle?
30:22 Would you take Fatanu,
30:23 or do you think they just really need a playmaker?
30:25 'Cause you know my thoughts.
30:26 I think tackles are too hard to find,
30:29 even in deep draft classes, and they don't last very long.
30:33 - So, I think Fatanu's a great,
30:35 you're talking about with their second pick.
30:38 - Yes, yes, the second pick.
30:39 - Yeah, I mean, he makes a ton of sense.
30:41 Would he be my first choice?
30:43 I still gotta catch, there's so many guys here, Taylor,
30:45 in this draft, just to kinda sum it up.
30:49 So this is the consensus big board right now.
30:51 All these guys are from 20 to 50.
30:53 Amarius Mims from Georgia,
30:55 Talese Fugaba from Oregon State,
30:57 Fatanu, Tyler Guyton from Oklahoma,
30:59 Kingsley Tsutomaru from BYU,
31:02 Jordan Morgan from Arizona,
31:03 Patrick Paul from Houston.
31:05 I watched a little bit of some of these guys.
31:06 I like Morgan, I like Paul.
31:09 You know, a lot of these guys will beat the Senior Bowl.
31:10 That's gonna be massive.
31:12 Can I tell you right now, you know,
31:14 Stamp it, I like, you know,
31:16 Fatanu, you know, I like Mims over Fatanu,
31:18 and I like Fatanu over Morgan,
31:19 I like Paul over Fatanu, right?
31:21 I don't know.
31:22 Sorting that part of the board out
31:24 is gonna be one of the bigger quagmires
31:29 we face in this draft process.
31:30 It reminds me of the day two receivers last year,
31:32 where we were, they were like,
31:34 it was like 10 guys that are expected to go in like 15 picks,
31:37 and you know, where are you putting all of them?
31:39 It was a mess, and everybody had a different order
31:41 and whatever.
31:43 - So it makes it fun.
31:43 - Oh no, and it's part of the fun of it.
31:46 It's work, but it's part of the fun of it.
31:46 That being said, like, Fatanu was in that group,
31:50 and I think he's rightfully in that group.
31:51 He had a very good game
31:52 against a very good Texas defensive front.
31:54 Texas defense, by the way, and I know they got lit up,
31:57 but for what they were on the season
31:58 in an offensive conference like the Big 12,
32:00 not getting enough credit for how good they are.
32:03 But I thought Fatanu had a really good game again.
32:05 Four year starter, which is great.
32:09 To me, Fatanu is, and this is how it'll kind of break down
32:11 with some of the guys in that range I just read.
32:14 He's a four year starter, he's 24 years old.
32:16 He looks pretty maxed out physically
32:18 at I think six, four, 317.
32:21 He's a floor guy.
32:22 Like, you're getting a day one starter,
32:25 but he's probably not gonna be much better
32:28 than he is right now.
32:29 And he's good enough right now to play in the NFL,
32:31 but I don't think he's a guy you're ever gonna be talking
32:33 to as like an all pro, right?
32:34 But maybe you just feel like we need a hit on a tackle.
32:37 We just need a tackle.
32:39 Fatanu was one of the safer options,
32:41 whereas if you go to a guy like Amarius Mims,
32:44 who's only a two year starter and looks a little more raw,
32:47 but he's younger and he's still bulking up,
32:50 that's like, all right, this guy can be a stud
32:53 and he's not right now
32:54 and we're gonna have to work with him.
32:56 So that's what it's gonna come down to.
32:57 We gotta see what they do in free agency.
32:58 We gotta see what happens with Michael and Wenu,
33:00 but Fatanu should be on their board.
33:03 It's too soon to say that he's like the pick at 34.
33:06 If they trade up late in the first, I think he's an option,
33:09 but he's absolutely on the board.
33:11 And before we move off Washington's offensive line,
33:13 I don't know if you had any more thoughts on Fatanu,
33:16 but let me just say the Patriots, if it's still Bill,
33:19 the Patriots like to do this thing
33:20 where everybody's looking at one prospect
33:23 and there's another guy that's on the field with that guy.
33:25 And so the one I remember is Cash Malawi.
33:28 I remember the linebacker from Wyoming.
33:30 It ultimately didn't work out,
33:31 but Wyoming had some other like great player.
33:33 I don't remember who it was,
33:34 but they were like, yeah,
33:35 every time we watched tape of this guy,
33:36 Cash Malawi was just making plays.
33:39 - Logan Wilson?
33:40 - That sounds right.
33:41 Yeah, I think it was Logan Wilson.
33:43 And Dietrich Weiss was,
33:45 I forget who the other Arkansas rusher was,
33:47 but Dietrich Weiss was another guy they got like that
33:49 for a good example.
33:50 Roger Rosengarten, the right tackle for Washington
33:54 was very good in this game.
33:55 And he's an underrated prospect as a day three pick.
33:58 Now he's a right tackle.
33:59 So if they re-sign Michael Nguyen, he's off the table.
34:02 But if Michael Nguyen leaves,
34:04 Rosengarten on day three is a player to watch.
34:07 I thought he was also,
34:08 and I don't think either one of them allowed a sack.
34:10 Neither one of them allowed a sack.
34:12 Rosengarten didn't allow a pressure in 72 snaps.
34:15 Fitanu allowed two,
34:17 but they were both really good in this game
34:20 and both guys in different ways,
34:22 both guys that should be on the radar for the Patriots.
34:25 - All right, I know all the real football nerds
34:27 love this offensive line talk,
34:29 but I know most people are here to talk quarterbacks.
34:31 One quarterback in particular, Mr. Michael Penix Jr.
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35:39 - All right, so Michael Pennix Jr.,
35:48 one of the few guys in these games
35:49 that I actually did sit down and get to really break down
35:51 to see just how he performed,
35:53 'cause he was one of the best college players
35:55 who played this weekend.
35:57 The deep accuracy, not a surprise, but it's so impressive,
36:01 especially considering with the footwork,
36:03 like it's not always perfect.
36:04 It's still something that, you know,
36:06 especially if you look really deep into his film,
36:08 you'll see that his accuracy can kind of get
36:10 all over the place because of it.
36:12 And then he's got the kind of Philip Rivers type release
36:15 where it's all slow, looks a little wonky,
36:17 but man, does that ball get there.
36:19 When you talk about the touch, the zip,
36:21 like the one where he split the safeties
36:23 and threw it to Jalen Polk.
36:25 I mean, then he had the really nice touch throw
36:27 to the sideline where they fake the bubble screens.
36:29 I actually get to actually talk some X's and O's
36:32 'cause I really got to sit down with this one.
36:34 But I mean, he was really, really impressive.
36:37 So what were your thoughts?
36:39 And do you think he's not only entered
36:40 the first round conversation,
36:42 'cause I really think that at the very least
36:43 he could be maybe be taken towards the end,
36:46 but do you think he's inserted himself
36:47 one of the top 10, top 15 conversation?
36:50 And all of this is of course, assuming the medical is clear
36:53 and he continues to have a good performance
36:55 in the championship game.
36:55 - Oh, I mean, I think he's a first round lock now.
36:58 And I think it's a matter of top 15 or top 10 with him,
37:00 Taylor.
37:01 My first thought was, wow.
37:03 I think I audibly said that on seven or eight
37:05 of those throws.
37:06 I mean, that was one of the best quarterback games
37:10 I've seen in a long time at the college level.
37:13 He was so good, so good.
37:16 And you talk about, where do you start the poise,
37:21 the pocket movement, the ball placement,
37:23 the velocity, the reads.
37:24 He didn't make a mistake.
37:25 He didn't make a single mistake.
37:27 They dropped, how many times did he throw the ball
37:29 in that game?
37:30 How many pass, about 42.
37:33 42 times they threw the ball in that game.
37:35 He didn't make one mistake against a good Texas defense.
37:37 This is a Texas defense that was top 15 in the nation
37:40 overall, that was top 30 against the pass.
37:43 And he picked them apart.
37:45 And there's moments where I thought balls are dropped
37:50 'cause I didn't see the receiver move his hand.
37:52 So I'm like, oh, that's overthrown.
37:53 No, he put it where, forget the receiver
37:55 not having to break stride.
37:56 The receiver didn't have to move his hands.
37:58 - Yeah.
37:59 - And he's doing it.
38:00 - And time to a doomsday, just, oh my God.
38:01 - He's doing this in a tight coverage windows.
38:03 He's stepping around rushers in the pocket,
38:06 step, reset, throw.
38:07 He's throwing off balance.
38:09 We saw him run a little bit in this game,
38:10 which I've been trying to tell you guys.
38:11 It's not that he's immobile.
38:12 He just doesn't want to do it to protect himself,
38:15 which I get.
38:16 But when he has to do it, he can be a factor with his legs.
38:19 He was, again, I can't say enough.
38:24 I can't say enough about how good Michael Penix was
38:28 in that game.
38:29 And I know doomsday is a great receiver.
38:30 Jalen Polk had a great game.
38:31 We'll talk about him.
38:31 But you, like you said, the throw to Odunze,
38:34 what does Odunze really do there?
38:36 I mean, Penix puts it right on his hands, right?
38:38 He just kind of tenses his fingers up a little bit
38:40 to catch the ball.
38:41 That's it.
38:42 The throw, he splits the safeties to Jalen McMillan.
38:45 I, you know, McMillan, it was,
38:47 McMillan tips it up in the air and then catches it, right?
38:49 You know, that's what he did, but the ball's on a rope.
38:52 And that's the other thing.
38:53 It's like, all right, when he needs to thread it,
38:55 he threads it.
38:56 When he needs a touch pass, it's a touch pass.
38:57 There was not one moment watching that game.
39:00 And this is so rare for college.
39:02 It's rare for the NFL.
39:03 Forget college football.
39:04 We're sitting there saying, what did he see?
39:08 Why did he make the decision he made?
39:10 Because I don't see it.
39:11 Everything he pressed was the right button.
39:15 That wasn't an anomaly.
39:17 He's had other games like that.
39:19 But to do it on that stage against that team,
39:23 man, he looks special.
39:25 I gotta tell you, if it wasn't for the knee injuries,
39:27 I think we'd be talking about him
39:29 as a potential one-one today.
39:30 I really do. - Oh, absolutely.
39:32 Absolutely. - And, but look,
39:33 and that matters.
39:34 That matters.
39:35 And there's a legitimate risk with a guy
39:36 who's torn both ACLs with a guy that's had
39:39 four season-ending injuries before two clean years
39:42 the last two years.
39:43 That factors in.
39:44 The combine medicals are gonna be huge,
39:45 but I've said it about it from the beginning.
39:48 I'm gonna keep saying it, Taylor.
39:50 There is not a better thrower of the football.
39:53 He is the best thrower of the football we've seen come out
39:55 in the last three years.
39:57 I'll take him over anybody in that 22 class, right?
40:00 That's the Kenny Pickett class.
40:01 I mean, that class sucks,
40:02 but he's a better thrower of the football than Bryce Young.
40:05 He's a better thrower of the football than CJ Stroud,
40:08 Anthony Richardson, Will Levis,
40:09 whoever you want from last year.
40:11 The ball just explodes out of his hand.
40:14 I mean, just, it's gone.
40:16 And I know some people struggle
40:18 with the lefty throwing motion.
40:20 I flipped it.
40:21 If you go look on my Twitter, I flipped the video.
40:24 Does he have the best mechanics in the world?
40:26 No, you probably wouldn't teach a quarterback
40:28 to throw like that.
40:29 And honestly, there's times where I'm looking at it
40:31 and I'm like, his footwork kind of sucks here.
40:34 But then I see that the ball is put, you know,
40:36 in a keyhole 45 yards down the field.
40:38 And I'm like, all right, I guess it does.
40:40 Like, it doesn't really matter, right?
40:42 It's Aaron Rodgers was another,
40:44 well, Phillip Rivers is the obvious comment, right?
40:46 Coaches always say, you would never teach a young quarterback
40:49 to throw the football
40:50 the way Phillip Rivers throws the football.
40:53 It's so good that you weren't gonna tweak it.
40:55 Another example, sorry, is Steph Curry.
40:59 Steph Curry's jump shots like,
41:00 never get to shoot like Steph Curry.
41:04 But is anybody gonna sit here and be like,
41:05 Steph Curry's jump shot is a problem?
41:07 No, never.
41:09 It's one of those things like, they're not bad.
41:12 I don't wanna sit here and say they're bad.
41:15 His mechanics aren't bad, but they're good enough.
41:19 And for the flaws that are in there,
41:20 they don't seem to bother him much.
41:23 - And we talk about mechanics with quarterbacks.
41:24 It's important to remember that it's more about comfort
41:28 than you being mechanical.
41:29 Like some guys like Patrick Mahomes,
41:31 you don't want him throwing like a Peyton Manning
41:33 'cause he's not gonna be comfortable.
41:35 There are things that every quarterback needs to fine tune.
41:37 Like Tom Brady, even.
41:38 It was like the 1% of the 1%,
41:40 where there's always something you can do better
41:41 to get your release quicker,
41:43 to just get a little bit more of something else,
41:45 what have you.
41:46 Pennix just looks like a guy who was born to play quarterback
41:49 and not only just from a physical perspective,
41:51 but like you said, the mechanics aren't perfect,
41:53 but the passes are just beautiful.
41:56 And the fact that we've seen in several of these big games
41:59 in late in the fourth quarter,
42:00 when we're talking like, all right,
42:02 if he decides to take a shot and it's inaccurate
42:04 or gets picked off or he makes a mistake,
42:07 like it could very well end up
42:08 completely swinging in the game.
42:10 Not only does he have the ice in his veins
42:12 to make those decisions, but he comes through.
42:14 And then you look at like the way he talks post-game.
42:17 Like he even kind of slide at Texas.
42:19 He was like as respectful as he could be.
42:21 He's like, yeah, I want to credit them.
42:23 They got great players.
42:24 They're well coached, called a good game, blah, blah, blah.
42:26 But you know, I thought what they were doing
42:28 was kind of simple.
42:29 And honestly watching it, I thought the same thing
42:31 'cause there was no safety rotations.
42:33 They weren't trying to confuse him at all.
42:35 They were just lining up, all right, middle field close,
42:37 middle field open, making it easy for him.
42:39 The dude didn't really have to do anything.
42:40 It was like he was on autopilot, just cutting them up.
42:44 And I mean, like you said, the medicals are really important
42:47 but the fact that he can do what he does
42:49 with injuries to both shoulders
42:51 with the same ACL injury twice.
42:53 And he still, it's like, you know,
42:55 I've seen some reports that say
42:56 he doesn't have the same physical ability
42:58 that he did when he was younger.
42:59 Sure, but he's still fantastic.
43:02 So I'm excited to watch him in the championship game
43:06 to just see more of what he can do.
43:08 Let him build on his legend.
43:10 Just absolutely impressive, impressive prospect.
43:13 Is there anything else you want to add before we move on?
43:15 - I mean, if he tears up Michigan,
43:16 like he's a top 10 lock.
43:18 - Yeah, again, that's an NFL defense, right?
43:20 Like I said, Texas defense is good.
43:22 Doesn't get enough credit.
43:23 Michigan's defense is best in the country.
43:25 It's the best in the country.
43:26 And if he, and he's going to have to do more
43:27 in terms of maneuvering the pocket and stuff like that.
43:29 But yeah, boy, and they might have, you know,
43:33 it sounds like they're going to have Dylan Johnson.
43:35 They're running back.
43:36 We got hurt late in that game, but you know,
43:37 is he going to be at a hundred percent?
43:39 That was, yeah, I'm glad to see he's okay.
43:41 Another guy I like through Patriots, by the way,
43:42 on day three, but yeah, it's just,
43:46 I'm still like, I'm still going back and watching the clips.
43:49 Cause I'm just like, it's, I don't remember the last time,
43:52 even at the NFL level,
43:53 I don't remember the last time I saw quarterback
43:55 play like that.
43:56 I mean, just every single pass is right on the hands
44:00 with no window.
44:02 He's not getting brought down on the backfield.
44:05 He's so calm and poised.
44:06 And like you said, too,
44:07 you can see how much his teammates love playing with him.
44:12 And that's a factor too.
44:13 Like he's a leader of men.
44:16 He's got that dog in him, however you want to phrase it.
44:19 It's, I keep going back to it.
44:21 If it's not for the knee injuries,
44:23 he's pushing Caleb Williams and the knee injuries are real.
44:26 And that's, that's something,
44:28 if you're somebody who doesn't care about that,
44:30 and I think you have to care about it,
44:31 but if you're somebody who doesn't care about it,
44:33 I think the age thing's overblown,
44:34 but if you're somebody who doesn't care about
44:35 the knee injuries,
44:36 I don't know how Michael Penix isn't one, one.
44:39 And I will say for a team like the Patriots
44:42 that maybe wants a pop right away
44:44 and cares more about say the three-year window
44:46 than the 10-year window,
44:49 Michael Penix looks pretty damn good right now,
44:51 especially if they win this week
44:52 and they fall to four or five.
44:54 'Cause you get a couple of pieces,
44:57 you get that guy T Higgins,
44:59 and you have him dotting balls 40 yards down the field
45:02 to T Higgins, you got something there.
45:04 Now you got to build an offensive line.
45:06 You got to take care of him.
45:07 - Yeah, that's exactly, exactly.
45:09 That's when it's like, all right, that's like,
45:10 I want to get him Jalen Polk,
45:12 but now we got to get him a good tackle.
45:14 And then you talk about like,
45:16 it's the kind of a similar Mac Jones argument
45:18 where it's like, well, look at all the talent around him.
45:19 Like he's got all these guys
45:20 who are going to go top 100 in the draft, sure.
45:23 But like you mentioned,
45:25 he's putting these balls in windows that don't exist.
45:28 You have the play where he had a free rusher
45:29 coming right down the pipe, immediately at him.
45:32 Quick side swept, get the ball out.
45:34 I think he had like a couple of plays like that actually,
45:36 where pressure was coming down
45:37 and he just delivers a perfect pass.
45:39 So that's what you want to see.
45:40 We're sure you're throwing a great playmakers
45:42 who are coming down and finishing for you.
45:44 But also you want to see him being able to make those
45:47 just like really, really high level plays
45:50 where when things don't go right
45:51 and things aren't perfect circumstances
45:53 where you know, a dude's not,
45:55 doesn't have 10 yards of separation down field
45:57 where it's like, all right, just hit him in stride
45:58 and you know, just get the completion.
46:01 I mean, I don't really know how many more questions
46:03 other than obviously the medicals he has to answer
46:05 because he's doing it on big stages.
46:08 There's inconsistencies I think
46:09 in some of the earlier games I saw again,
46:11 like there were a couple of games where the accuracy
46:14 in terms of inconsistency was like, wow,
46:16 but you didn't see it in that game.
46:17 And again, in these big games,
46:19 you're seeing them come through.
46:20 So we can do an entire show just on him.
46:22 But the point is Michael Penix Jr.
46:25 You are him.
46:26 - Actually, let me bring up one more comment here.
46:29 This is really interesting.
46:30 And this is a minor thing that I thought
46:31 was big in this game.
46:33 Jason brings up a good point.
46:34 You didn't always see the Texas DBs turn and play the ball.
46:37 For all the crap we give Bill
46:39 about developing wide receivers.
46:41 One thing they do coach that I love,
46:44 and I think Randy Moss taught him this.
46:46 You don't show your hands until the last second.
46:50 So if you're tracking the ball down the field,
46:51 you're running back to the quarterback,
46:53 receivers running back to the quarterback,
46:55 corners running back to the quarterback.
46:56 You might be looking back for the ball.
46:58 The corner's looking at you.
46:59 If you put your hands up,
47:02 the corner knows the ball is coming.
47:04 And he's gonna get in position.
47:06 Where you go watch the Randy Moss,
47:08 and Randy Moss is obviously the GOAT,
47:10 like not everybody can do this,
47:11 but Randy Moss, it would be,
47:13 as the ball's coming down over his shoulder,
47:14 he just pops his hands out, right?
47:16 That's where Michael Penix's accuracy comes in.
47:19 A lot of the reason the Texas DBs weren't turning
47:22 is 'cause all the Washington wide receivers
47:23 were coming through with laid hands,
47:25 'cause the ball's right there.
47:27 They didn't have to, 'cause you're running here, right?
47:28 You're running, you're running like at your chest,
47:31 and they just kind of had to pop their hands open.
47:32 They don't have to go over here.
47:33 They don't have to go over here.
47:34 They don't have to go back here.
47:36 He allowed, Penix enabled them to really take advantage
47:40 of the laid hands technique.
47:41 And I don't think it was the Texas defensive backs
47:44 not knowing to turn,
47:46 like not knowing the coaching point to turn.
47:50 They're doing what they're told.
47:51 You watch the receiver and you play the hands,
47:53 'cause that's what you do
47:54 when a guy running down the field.
47:55 If you turn back to look, you slow down, you can't keep up.
47:58 I'm gonna guess if Bill's still here
48:00 in the Patriots draft, Penix,
48:02 this is gonna be a huge thing with them,
48:04 is going to be his ability to put the ball right on guys
48:07 and take advantage of that laid hands concept.
48:09 So, maybe some of it was college players.
48:11 I don't wanna say that was like 100% of the time,
48:13 but no, there were times where it was definitely,
48:15 you could see the hands go really late
48:18 and the corner start to turn,
48:19 but it's too late, the ball's already there
48:21 'cause it was just so accurate.
48:22 The receiver could really take advantage of that
48:24 'cause he didn't have to move his hands that far.
48:26 He didn't have to break stride or anything
48:28 to get to the football.
48:29 - Yeah, I think there's a Rob Gronkowski
48:31 like mic'd up video or something
48:32 where he says the same thing,
48:33 where like the season before he was playing Buffalo
48:35 or something like that,
48:36 and he put his hands up too early and he got swiped out.
48:39 And there was another huge play he made, he credited.
48:41 Yeah, I just didn't show him my hands
48:43 and I was able to come down with it.
48:44 So, yeah, I'm really excited.
48:47 All right, real quick, we got some other stuff
48:49 we gotta get to.
48:50 We had Bo Nix, he's gonna be going to the senior bowl.
48:53 We also had Cam Ward, he's going to the draft.
48:57 Talk about those guys,
48:58 whether you think they would be fits in New England,
49:00 where you think they should get them.
49:01 'Cause I know with Bo Nix, he's kind of polarizing guy.
49:05 I know some people think he's better
49:06 than the top quarterbacks in the class,
49:08 which I do not agree with.
49:09 But then there's a debate of, okay, is he a late first?
49:11 Is he a second round?
49:12 So let us know what your thoughts are on those folks.
49:15 - So Nix, older prospect, gonna be 24, six years of starting.
49:19 He's got over 50 starts under his belt, you love that.
49:23 I think the senior bowl is gonna be really good
49:25 because he was very good at Oregon,
49:28 but it was a very quarterback friendly system.
49:31 And that's not to knock him,
49:32 but like setting the completion percentage record.
49:34 Again, he's not throwing the ball very far.
49:36 He's not, it's scheme for him to not throw the ball
49:38 in the tight windows, things like that.
49:41 He's not necessarily gonna have the benefit of that
49:42 at the senior bowl.
49:43 We're gonna get to see him throw the ball
49:45 more down the field, throw to some more covered receivers.
49:47 It's gonna be really, really interesting.
49:49 And also see him throw under center,
49:51 which he didn't do a lot at Oregon.
49:53 I still think he's a Shanahan quarterback.
49:55 Like I think if you put him in a Shanahan system
49:58 where it's very paint by number,
49:59 you can take advantage of some of the stuff he does
50:01 with his legs, not necessarily designed quarterback runs,
50:05 but using his legs to extend plays.
50:06 He's very good on the bootleg.
50:07 He's very good rolling out of the pocket.
50:10 Maybe the Patriots running a Shanahan system,
50:12 I get more excited about it, but we'll see with him.
50:15 I do think it's great.
50:16 He's going to the senior bowl.
50:17 I think that's a great chance.
50:19 Now can we get Drake May there?
50:21 That's what I really wanna see.
50:22 As for Cam Ward, so I had a kind of fire drill,
50:27 scramble catch up on Cam Ward,
50:28 'cause I didn't think he was coming out.
50:30 He was getting offered $2 million NIL deals
50:32 on the transfer portal.
50:33 I thought he was going to Ohio State.
50:34 I thought that was a lock.
50:36 Super exciting quarterback.
50:38 Another guy that, you know, big deep ball thrower,
50:41 big arm, ball explodes out.
50:42 He's got some athletic ability.
50:45 He's got, you know, the mojo, the charisma you wanna see
50:47 from one of those quarterbacks.
50:48 Only two years of starter, only 25 starts under his belt.
50:51 That's, the NFL uses 25 starts as a cutoff.
50:55 So there, I guess, are numbers,
50:57 and I've kind of tried to look at it.
50:58 Maybe there's more in-depth numbers they're using.
51:00 I don't know what NFL teams consider success exactly
51:03 at the quarterback position,
51:04 but I guess 25 starts is where that cutoff is
51:07 for like successful NFL quarterbacks.
51:09 25 starts- - Especially for like Bill
51:11 with that Parcells, 'cause Parcells has like,
51:13 his rules on quarterbacks, and Bill tends to stick to that.
51:16 So that's a pretty significant factor.
51:17 - So Cam Ward's like right on that line.
51:19 Who Cam Ward is to me, and Taylor,
51:21 I remember I told you this, I do this with Evan, right?
51:23 Like we tier guys, right?
51:25 Where you had Zay Flowers last year,
51:27 and then you had day two Zay Flowers was Tank Dell,
51:29 and you had day three Zay Flowers,
51:31 which was DeMario Douglas.
51:33 Cam Ward to me is day two Caleb Williams,
51:37 where he is really good at that out of structure,
51:42 play breaks down, he's gonna extend, he's not a runner.
51:46 He's not like Jaden Daniels where he's gonna take,
51:49 he can run, but he's not, that's not a plus for him.
51:52 He's gonna look to throw.
51:53 Like he's really good at a structure.
51:54 He can extend plays.
51:56 He can make the throws down the field,
51:58 and he can zip the ball in the tight windows.
52:00 He's not nearly as technically sound as Caleb Williams.
52:03 I don't think he sees the field as well as Caleb Williams.
52:05 He doesn't have that experience.
52:07 So that's where he like falls today too, right?
52:09 He's much more boomer bust, but if you like that skillset,
52:14 he's a guy you look at if you can't get Caleb Williams.
52:16 Now, I don't think he's NFL ready.
52:17 He's probably a guy you gotta sit for,
52:20 I don't know about a full year,
52:21 but you gotta give him a couple of months
52:23 in an NFL offense to get accustomed to it.
52:25 So I don't think, maybe if his stock falls,
52:29 he's a guy you take early on day three
52:31 and you do the RG three Kirk cousins thing,
52:34 you know, like Pennix in Ward could make some sense.
52:38 You pair those two guys,
52:40 but I think he's more a team that is a year or two away
52:43 from meeting the quarterback to trying to get ahead of it.
52:45 I do like Cam Ward.
52:47 I do think he's a fun prospect, but yeah,
52:50 it's he's not a first round guy.
52:53 I don't think he's a year one week,
52:56 one starter kind of guy.
52:57 Had he stayed a year, had he stayed a year,
53:00 maybe I think you're talking about him
53:01 as one of the top quarterbacks in 2025,
53:03 which again is why this is so surprising.
53:06 I'd love to know why he decided to come out,
53:09 but yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see kind of
53:12 how NFL teams handle him because
53:14 I don't think teams expected him to come out
53:17 and there might be some catch up there as well.
53:19 - All right, so for the championship game,
53:23 - Yes.
53:24 - Give me your predictions on this real quick
53:26 before we get out of here.
53:27 Because personally, I just, I don't see JJ McCarthy,
53:31 like, I don't know, I don't see Blake Corum
53:34 out dueling Michael Penix Jr.
53:36 Like if we're being totally honest,
53:37 I don't think putting Penix and McCarthy
53:39 in the same conversation of like,
53:40 who's gonna out duel who, let's be realistic.
53:42 Corum is the heart and soul of that Michigan offense,
53:45 but also that defense is fantastic.
53:46 Like this is gonna be a different type of test for Penix
53:50 and it's gonna be fun 'cause we're gonna get to see
53:53 what he can do against not only NFL talent,
53:55 but a scheme that's gonna challenge him more than did Texas.
53:59 So what's your prediction for this one?
54:00 - Yeah, man, it's so tough.
54:02 Like, so I picked earlier Washington to cover four and a half.
54:06 I don't know if I'm picking with my heart
54:07 or my head on that one, honestly.
54:08 (laughs)
54:09 I wonder what, so I, Washington this year
54:14 has been very good at,
54:15 when the passing game isn't there initially,
54:18 running the ball, establishing the run,
54:21 and then getting back to the passing game off of that
54:23 once they've kind of offset that pass rush
54:25 and they have the defensive backs looking in the backfield.
54:28 With this Michigan front, with Dylan Johnson banged up,
54:32 I wonder how viable of a strategy that is
54:36 if they can't throw initially.
54:37 And I wonder if Michigan's front just takes over this game.
54:42 - Yeah. - Now,
54:43 could Michael Penix simply be better and rise above it
54:47 and make more plays in the pocket
54:48 and get the ball down the field?
54:49 Absolutely.
54:50 I just, you know,
54:54 if Michigan can start turning the ball over, right,
54:57 on defense, then that's it.
54:58 I do think Michigan wins.
55:02 I think there's a world in which Penix has a good game
55:04 and Michigan wins.
55:05 - Yeah. - I think Michigan wins,
55:07 but I don't think we're coming away
55:08 talking about JJ McCarthy or even Blake Corham.
55:11 I think we're coming away talking about Chris Jenkins.
55:13 I think we're coming away talking about Mike Sandler still.
55:15 I think we're coming away talking about Rod Moore.
55:18 Like, I think we're coming away just saying,
55:19 "Wow, that Michigan defense stepped up, made plays,
55:24 "receivers weren't open, Penix was under duress."
55:26 And I will say this about Penix.
55:28 He hasn't been great under pressure this year.
55:31 That Texas game was-- - Numbers were rough.
55:33 - A bit of an anomaly in that regard.
55:35 Right, I think for the most part,
55:37 that's what we've seen him be this year,
55:39 but he certainly elevated his game against pressure.
55:42 He has to do that again for Washington to beat Michigan,
55:45 'cause he's going to be pressured more,
55:47 and he's going to have to handle it
55:50 in order to win this game.
55:51 If not, I think Michigan,
55:52 'cause they're going to run the crap out of the ball.
55:55 They're going to keep that clock running.
55:56 They're going to shorten this game as much as possible.
55:59 If it's up to them, there's only going to be
56:00 seven or eight drives for each team in this game.
56:03 And then there's no margin for error for Washington.
56:05 You have to be perfect.
56:07 And I think Washington can do that.
56:09 We saw them just play a perfect game last week.
56:11 But I want to say Washington.
56:15 I want to say Michael Penix, 'cause that lights him up.
56:17 I hope he proves me wrong,
56:20 'cause I just think Michigan's defense
56:22 is so freaking good, man.
56:24 They've got dudes all over the field
56:26 on that side of the ball,
56:27 and it's going to be tough for Washington to,
56:30 they haven't been tested like this before.
56:31 They haven't been tested with a defense like this.
56:33 And even if it takes them a quarter to adjust
56:37 against a team that can control the clock
56:39 like Michigan on offense, it might be too late.
56:42 - Yeah, these are going to be two teams
56:44 with legitimate NFL talent,
56:46 especially talking Washington's offense,
56:48 Michigan's defense.
56:49 It could be its own show entirely
56:51 talking about those matchups.
56:52 But we got to get out of here for tonight.
56:54 Alex, please let the people know
56:56 what fantastic stuff you got coming down the pipeline
56:59 for the rest of the week.
57:00 - Yeah, it's all on 985thesportshub.com.
57:03 We're catching up on the end of the season here,
57:05 getting ready to get into the off season.
57:06 And me and Evan will break down the college football play.
57:09 I'm making Evan talk about the college football playoff
57:12 tomorrow on Catch 22, Thursday morning.
57:14 So you can check that out.
57:15 - Awesome. Thank you, brother.
57:17 Thank you all for watching as always.
57:19 Take care of yourselves, take care of each other, and we will see you next time.

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