On the latest episode of Talkin' C's, Bobby Krivitsky, Jack Simone, and Sam LaFrance discussed the growth the Celtics demonstrated in Saturday's win over the Pacers, theBoston's recent roster decisions
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00:00 And we are back with another edition of How About Them Celtics Talkin' Cs with Bobby
00:12 Kravitzky.
00:13 Bobby, how are you doing today?
00:14 Well, I'm guessing a lot better than Bill Belichick because I think this is the end
00:18 of his time in New England.
00:21 Probably.
00:22 Bill Belichick, who was dressed like a ninja yesterday.
00:26 He's always in stealth mode.
00:27 He wanted in and out.
00:28 He wanted to get in and out of there.
00:32 He put the hoodie on over the eyes basically at the end of the game.
00:37 I saw a video on Twitter.
00:39 It was like, "Perhaps Bill Belichick's last time leaving Gillette Stadium after a game."
00:45 And my first thought was, "Are we sure that's Bill Belichick or are we just videoing a random
00:49 person walking off the field?"
00:51 He took Sunday off.
00:52 He was like, "In that weather?
00:53 I don't have time to settle."
00:56 I got PTO to burn before I leave the company.
00:59 So I'm taking the day off.
01:00 Find me a stunt double.
01:02 Got some interviews to undergo.
01:04 But Celtics also played this weekend.
01:07 Played the Pacers on Saturday after a stomping of the Jazz on Friday.
01:12 Two back-to-back pretty convincing wins.
01:14 Bobby, what were some of your takeaways from that Pacers game and the Jazz game if you
01:16 want to lump that in too?
01:19 I'll start with the Pacers game at least.
01:20 Maybe we circle back to Utah if we want.
01:22 But when it comes to Saturday night, it was the balance the offensive approach had with
01:29 Jalen just relentlessly attacking downhill against a Pacers team that struggles to protect
01:34 the rim and keep people out of the paint.
01:37 And then Jason Tatum, all season, we're talking about him not shooting particularly well from
01:42 beyond the arc.
01:43 We don't like his shot selection when it comes to threes off the dribble.
01:47 On fire.
01:48 He made eight triples on Saturday.
01:50 Fifteen points in the final frame.
01:52 And I know we'll talk about that quarter where he was at the helm of the offensive operation.
01:58 Yeah.
02:01 Big takeaway from the Celtics-Pacers game Saturday.
02:05 Big boy response from the Celtics to start the fourth quarter.
02:08 They had a kind of untraditional third quarter now because they've figured that out lately.
02:14 They've played really well in the third quarter over the last three or so weeks.
02:17 So I don't want to be like they never play well in the third quarter because that would
02:21 just not be true.
02:23 But they did revert back to their, hey, we don't know what happened at halftime, but
02:28 all of a sudden we don't know how to play basketball type style.
02:32 And they found themselves up just three heading into the fourth against the Pacers.
02:35 And what did they do?
02:36 They came out and punched them right in the mouth to start the fourth.
02:39 Derek White hits a floater, started off.
02:40 There were a few great possessions from a few of the lesser contributors, somebody like
02:45 O'Shea Brissett.
02:46 In fact, we did the video yesterday where he gets an offensive rebound and he also drove
02:53 to the basket and got an and one, two big time plays for him to keep the momentum rolling
02:58 for his squad.
03:00 So I was very impressed with the way that they didn't panic on the road against a team
03:04 that beat them a month ago in a meaningful game.
03:07 And they closed things out like a championship level team should.
03:11 And you do have to give credit to Tatum because he went nuclear or nuclear and it broke my
03:17 hater heart because now I don't know what I'm going to talk about.
03:20 Tatum was great in that game.
03:23 He found the three point shot.
03:24 And I mean, I've been on it for a while.
03:27 I've never minded the threes.
03:28 We talked about this.
03:29 We don't have to argue about it.
03:30 But I think what's important is his impact beyond the threes because he's been showing
03:35 that off a lot more.
03:36 Joe Mizzou and him talked about it at the game about his growth over the last month.
03:40 And I think you've seen it.
03:41 I mean, you see him breaking the zone.
03:45 You see him driving and kicking.
03:47 You see him finding his teammates.
03:48 You see him staying aggressive.
03:49 There was a play in the Pacers game that I think spoke volumes as to his shot selection
03:53 and willingness to be an offensive hub rather than just a score.
03:57 And it was as simple as pump faking a three and stepping in for a mid range shot.
04:01 Like that's growth.
04:02 Like as as as one possession is as simple as it was like that shows like, yeah, he's
04:06 willing to take that extra step and take some smarter shots.
04:09 And he was great against Pacers.
04:11 He was lights off.
04:12 Excuse me, lights out.
04:13 Excuse me.
04:14 Lights off is kind of better.
04:18 He was there.
04:19 There's nothing they could do, though.
04:20 Like Miles Turner was falling.
04:21 They put that meme on NBC Sports Boston.
04:25 Jalen Smith couldn't keep up on the perimeter.
04:27 He was drawn to kicking it to a teammate like Tatum was awesome.
04:31 Jalen Brown was also just as good.
04:33 He was driving to the paint.
04:35 Didn't really settle for threes.
04:37 He's just killing Tyrese Halliburton in the lane.
04:41 I was telling Sam, I feel like that could come back to bite the Pacers by the time the
04:44 playoffs come around, because if the best player in the opposing team can just go at
04:47 Halliburton on offense and the Pacers aren't could really have an answer.
04:51 Pacers didn't send any doubles on drives all night long.
04:53 And it just like when you got Jalen Brown in there is the best one of the best players
05:00 are driving to the paint in the league.
05:02 There's not really much that the defense is going to do.
05:04 So I thought it was a great well-rounded performance by the Jays.
05:07 And then defensively, Celtics held the Pacers sneakily to their lowest point total of the
05:11 season.
05:12 Like that matters.
05:13 That is something they mitigated Tyrese Halliburton's impact.
05:16 They slowed down the three ball.
05:17 They didn't let them get, you know, cooking inside.
05:20 Like it was a great game for the Celtics on both ends of the court.
05:23 It was really fun.
05:24 Yeah.
05:25 I thought their half court defense was sensational.
05:28 Quick point on Jalen Brown's approach and what you talked about there is I loved two
05:33 elements of it.
05:35 One attacking the right mismatch, because it's so important to recognize when you go
05:41 after the wrong one and then pull out of it as quickly as possible.
05:45 And they were cooking Halliburton.
05:47 And sometimes you make a logical choice, but it's not working out.
05:50 In this case, it was.
05:51 And a huge part of that was the spacing that made it difficult to double, let alone have
05:56 someone rotate to the rim to try to challenge Jalen Brown going full speed by a defender
06:02 who Swiss cheese, especially against him.
06:04 And so being able to find the right mismatch and capitalize on it because of in part their
06:10 spacing was crucial defensively.
06:13 Like I said, I loved how they performed in the half court.
06:16 They weren't far removed from that Thunder game where we talked about it.
06:19 Their positioning was just awful.
06:22 And consistently it was guys giving up angles to get by them downhill.
06:27 And you didn't see that.
06:28 You saw guys being square in this game.
06:30 And that helped.
06:31 And then also in regards to limiting the Pacers in transition, which is how they do so much
06:36 of their scoring, where it comes from.
06:38 It was being able to take better care of the ball in the second half compared to the first,
06:44 being able to just slow them down because of that, make them play in the half court
06:48 where the Celtics, I think their length and versatility really gave the Pacers a hard
06:53 time.
06:54 It's funny.
06:55 The Pacers have been a team that have played the good teams really well this year.
06:58 We've seen them give Milwaukee fits over the last month and a half or so.
07:03 You have the whole rivalry saga.
07:05 You've seen them beat the Celtics in the in-season tournament.
07:08 Now looking at it through the scope of you guys, talking about the defense, talking about
07:12 how they can be targeted in all of those things.
07:15 Does this make you guys feel any more comfortable playing against them in a playoff series?
07:19 Because thinking about it, I don't know, two weeks ago, I'd be like, wow, like Pacers are
07:24 a team I really wouldn't want the Celtics to match up with in a playoff series.
07:29 Listen, I, I think the Tyrese Halvern defense point makes me less significantly less afraid
07:37 of the Pacers in a potential playoff series.
07:40 I understand what you're saying because it does feel like they could just get hot and
07:43 win any game that they're in.
07:45 But I feel like once the playoffs come around, offenses get more focused, they go to the
07:49 looks, they're definitely going to get them the buckets every time defenses hone in on
07:54 certain guys more.
07:55 I feel like you'll see the Celtics throw doubles at Tyrese Halvern like the Lakers did in the
07:59 in-season tournament and really shut them down.
08:01 And so as much as you might not love to play them in a playoff series, I don't think it
08:06 would necessarily be a threat to actually win it, if that makes sense.
08:10 Yes, I'll say two points.
08:12 One is that you're going to have to play someone good, even in the first round, the East, in
08:17 terms of just being quality teams and not having some garbage team get in.
08:22 You know, there's no version this year of the Evan Fournier Orlando Magic at the back
08:27 end of the Eastern Conference.
08:28 These all teams are much more competitive than that, even if they're not championship
08:33 caliber.
08:34 You still should beat them, as Jack just said.
08:37 And then also when it comes to, especially in the earlier rounds, in the playoffs, you
08:42 typically have to win without your fastball, without what you do best.
08:47 And it's much easier for the Celtics to accomplish that than it is the Pacers.
08:51 Now, the odds that there's going to be four games where turnovers from Boston lead to
08:57 just Indiana getting loose in transition and an upset and they advance, I don't see that
09:02 happening.
09:03 If you're talking about health and maybe some injuries up front, you know, Porzingis, it's
09:07 a lot different when you get raked in the eye compared to a knee or an ankle or whatever.
09:11 But yeah, then you talk about the scales changing.
09:14 But when you have the most talented top six in the NBA, you do have some cushion.
09:20 It's good to hear.
09:21 Glad everyone's confident.
09:23 Are you not?
09:24 For me?
09:25 Well, no, I wouldn't say I'm not confident.
09:26 I think Sam stays in that state.
09:28 I do stay in that state where I'm like, I'm going to be irritated by this.
09:32 And I'm just thinking to myself, how can I watch the playoffs with the least amount of
09:38 stress?
09:39 That's really what my thought process is.
09:41 And I think because you feel like you can really exploit that, you might feel a little
09:46 bit better.
09:49 I suppose.
09:50 What do you mean by that?
09:51 You could feel a little bit better about like, am I going to have to sweat this series or
09:56 not?
09:57 OK, saying attacking Halliburton, right?
09:59 Yeah, because OK, OK, take advantage of like making their best player a negative.
10:04 I see what you mean.
10:05 I see what you mean.
10:06 Yeah.
10:07 My question is, like Bobby said, you probably have to play a really good team in the first
10:11 round of playoffs anyways.
10:12 Right now, unbelievable.
10:15 Right now, five through eight is Cavs, Knicks, Pacers, Heat and 910 is Nets, Bulls.
10:22 Obviously you'd like Nets, Bulls out of that group if they managed to win the play.
10:25 And however, that seems unlikely.
10:28 So it's looking like the seven and eight seed right now is Pacers, Heat.
10:33 A Heat first round series would not be fun.
10:36 That'd be a lot worse.
10:37 I'll put it that way.
10:38 I mean, I legitimately missed work last year because I was physically sick from Trey Young.
10:44 That is not I'm not making it up like I became ill after that 30 footer knocked out of the
10:51 next day of work.
10:52 Like I woke up and I could not move.
10:54 I was like, well, no, not going in today.
10:58 Disastrous.
10:59 That's disastrous.
11:00 Anyways, we'll cut the playoffs for now.
11:02 It is still January, but Celtics took on the Pacers on Saturday.
11:05 Obviously, they have the Pacers again tonight as you're listening to this.
11:08 It'll probably drop around five.
11:09 Five ish. So you got a couple.
11:12 Yeah, maybe a playoff preview.
11:13 You got a couple hours to go.
11:14 Bobby, what are you looking for?
11:17 A adjustments from the Pacers to sort of turn things around in this one and B, how the Celtics
11:22 respond to that and adjust on the fly to what the Pacers change.
11:26 Well, one curveball that I'm fascinated in.
11:29 Shout out to Caitlin Cooper from basketball.
11:31 She wrote for highlighting this where the Celtics, especially in the second half, they
11:37 would use this kind of hybrid man to man zone defense construct with Drew Holiday at the
11:43 center of their two three zone.
11:46 And then as soon as the ball broke the free throw line, they would switch to man to man
11:50 and you just take the closest person to you.
11:52 And that confused the heck out of Indiana.
11:55 So do the Celtics say, no, you just got that one quick look at it and that's all.
12:00 Or do they come back with it and say, hey, you couldn't figure it out then.
12:04 Let's see what you do now, because you've always got to figure out in these mini series.
12:07 It's a good test for the playoffs.
12:10 What are we going to stick with?
12:11 What do we anticipate their counters being and how we respond to that?
12:15 So what the Celtics adjust off what they did well is going to be interesting to monitor.
12:21 And Indiana, they have to figure out one, how to get their transition attack going even
12:27 without Boston turning the ball over, which might happen at a high volume again tonight.
12:31 Who knows?
12:32 And then secondly, how they operate more productively in the half court.
12:36 I think you're going to see a lot more trying to get Tyrese Halliburton on at least options
12:43 like a Drew Holiday.
12:44 We talked about Holiday being better suited to guard players in the front court than players
12:50 like an SGA or a Halliburton.
12:51 I think that might be something the Pacers go to.
12:55 And then thirdly, it's going to be really interesting to see just what happens in terms
13:00 of I think Miles Turner was someone who wasn't really involved in that game.
13:04 Do they try to get more out of him on tonight's matchup?
13:08 Yeah, I think you're going to see a little bit better of an effort from the Pacers.
13:11 So it's a question of, can the Celtics hang?
13:15 We've seen them play great offense for the whole season.
13:18 It's a dumb question to put it like that because the Celtics are probably the best roster in
13:22 the league at the very least.
13:24 And like, yes, they can hang with anybody, but are they ready for a fired up Pacers team
13:29 in front of the home crowd that has a chip on their shoulder after losing pretty badly
13:33 on Saturday in front of a juiced out place?
13:36 The answer is, yeah, probably they're going to be able to combat it.
13:40 But somebody like Halliburton isn't going to be minorly impactful again.
13:43 I don't think you're going to see a rough Miles Turner game again.
13:46 Like you said, Bobby, you didn't hear from him.
13:48 You didn't feel his presence too much.
13:51 If those guys get going, it's going to be a lot harder to beat the Pacers.
13:54 We don't know as of 1130 in the morning if Chris stops Porzingis is going to play.
14:01 If Jason Tatum will play, I think the ankle sprain thing is kind of weird after a regular
14:05 rest for it to be on the injury report.
14:07 And who's the last guy?
14:09 Hauser, is he going to play?
14:11 Is this shoulder thing from Hauser an actual real injury because he hasn't been shooting
14:16 super efficiently as of, I don't know, the last month.
14:21 Feels like he's taken a step back in terms of how much I feel comfortable with him knocking
14:25 down shots.
14:26 But regardless, the Celtics are deep.
14:30 They should be able to at least compete and make this one a winnable game.
14:35 So I expect them to win again.
14:37 You expect them to win every game.
14:39 I sure do.
14:40 I stand on that.
14:44 I think the ankle thing is just he probably did tweak it.
14:48 I don't think Jason Tatum is a guy who will fake something.
14:51 I also think he'll play.
14:52 I think it's more from the team.
14:53 Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
14:54 Especially Tatum, who went on camera this summer and was like, I'm playing the Monday
15:01 night league pass game in Charlotte, but they are in Indiana.
15:04 And it would be kind of a Mickey Mouse move for him not to show up tonight, actually.
15:08 Like if he doesn't play, everyone's going to be like, look what he said.
15:12 He did lose the Monday night league pass game in Charlotte, though.
15:15 I'll say that.
15:16 That was well, he showed up.
15:17 He did.
15:18 Quieter in the second half, though.
15:19 On fire in the first, quieter in the second.
15:20 Yeah, I don't know.
15:21 I feel good about the Pacers game tonight.
15:22 I said it on the lot when we were like looking ahead of January.
15:23 I said if they lose a game to the Pacers, I feel like it'll be the first one.
15:24 And they just stomped them.
15:25 The only thing you could look for is maybe they take their foot off the gas, but they
15:26 haven't done that a lot this season.
15:27 The only one they really did, it was the Pistons game.
15:28 And then they just surmounted like a 20-20 win.
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