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WATCH: Kashif Abbasi opens "Toshakhana files" following PTI founder, Bushra Bibi's sentence orders
"Yahan Qanoon Ki Baat Hi Nahi Ho Rahe...," Aamir Ilyas Rana's Analysis
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00:00 Asalam o Alaikum, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi. Today Imran Khan and Khushra Bibi Sahiba were sentenced to 14 years in prison for the Toshakhana case.
00:22 When this case was made, there were many aspects to it, including the legal, moral and political aspects.
00:30 But when this case was made against Imran Khan, the most important aspect for me was his moral aspect.
00:38 Why did he take these gifts?
00:40 It was beyond my understanding that Imran Khan took a moral position when he was in the opposition.
00:46 He said that such gifts should not be taken. But when he came to power, he changed it.
00:53 And he not only took these gifts, but selling them is irrelevant.
00:57 It is not written anywhere in the law that if someone takes a gift from Toshakhana, he cannot sell it.
01:03 But when he took such a position in the opposition, he should not have taken it.
01:08 Anyway, this was a very fast case. Although, Mariam Nawazishi Sahiba criticized many people today.
01:18 When this decision was made in the morning, many critics and journalists were criticizing this decision.
01:28 So what did she say about it and what did she say about 200 cases? Listen to this.
01:33 When a person's hands are stained with theft, then he has to put plaster on his leg.
01:38 Like Nawaz Sharif Sher, the chest is presented in the court of the tooth on 200 cases.
01:44 I also spent five months in the court of Lakhpat jail in the circle of death.
01:49 Today, we see the symptoms of the actions all around.
01:54 I will tell you later, she said that I was listening today, people were criticizing.
02:00 200 cases were booked. 200 cases means 200 days of cases will be booked.
02:04 If you put a holiday, then maybe the case will go on for 250-300 days.
02:08 It was also said that the people's party used the last war on the side of Bukhla.
02:14 So this was also the fastest justice of the court of the history of your flesh and blood.
02:21 Before this, such a fast justice has not been in the court of justice in the history of Pakistan.
02:27 The individual crime was committed on January 22, and this decision was given within 22 days.
02:35 I was afraid that why it took 22 days, why it did not take 16 days,
02:42 and not to give four or five more years of punishment because the time was wasted.
02:47 But where every hour is important, how can a lawyer not go there, even disappear for a day or two?
02:54 This was not possible. So if it is said that this is the fastest justice of the history of the court of justice,
03:01 then maybe it will not be wrong. Then it was said that there were no evidence.
03:05 What were the allegations? The allegations were that the Tohsa Khana was taken away.
03:10 There was a moral aspect of it. It was said that it was under-evaluated. This was the second aspect.
03:16 And the third was also said by the government, when the medium government came,
03:20 it was Ramadan at that time, and on the first day of Ramadan,
03:25 the Prime Minister Shahbaz Sharif said that the gifts were sold first and the money was later deposited in the treasury and the Tohsa Khana.
03:34 This last allegation was never made. Whether it was or not, it had to be proven.
03:40 But whatever evidence was there, it should have been given by the government.
03:45 And why should it be given? How was the valuation of the Tohsa Khana determined?
03:50 There is a method for this. First of all, the Cabinet Division from the FBR,
03:55 that is, the Federal Board of Revenue, determines the value of this.
03:59 Then comes the second phase, when two people from the FBR reassess it again from the market and its value is determined again.
04:06 Then on the government's side, in the third phase, there is a shortlist company that determines its value.
04:14 The company that determined its value was hired in the era of Nawaz Sharif, who determined it in the third phase.
04:24 So this is a process of the Tohsa Khana.
04:27 So now, of course, if you have to contest that it did not happen and its determination was not correct,
04:35 then why were these three processes not investigated?
04:39 Why were the FIRs not filed against them? Why were those people not caught who kept making wrong determinations?
04:44 I will come to a Shoaib Abbasi, he said that I was the Prime Minister,
04:49 that is why I undervalued it, neither did I get paid nor was it offered to me.
04:53 Anyway, I will come to that. But the most interesting aspect of this was the witness who assessed it in Dubai,
05:01 who determined this value in Dubai. His name was Imran Bashir Masih.
05:07 If you look at him, he is an inter-pass.
05:10 He himself told the court when the question was asked that he could not pass B.Com.
05:15 He is a part-time salesman at a jewellery shop and he has no knowledge of assessing jewellery.
05:24 When he was asked what his salary is, he said that his salary is Rs. 3,800,
05:30 which in Dubai, if it is said that it is the salary of a labourer, then it may not be wrong.
05:34 He was asked how he manages his salary. He said that he works part-time at a car showroom.
05:43 The company he worked for, he had no documents of that company.
05:50 He was such an expert witness that he did not even know whether the weight of a diamond is in carats or grams.
05:56 Those who know about diamonds, they know that grams have gold and carats have diamonds.
06:03 But he had written grams in various places.
06:06 When he was asked, he said that he was sent pictures and his specifications were told and he was asked to assess it.
06:15 So I did an assessment based on the pictures.
06:18 The lawyer, Mr. Shabaz Kosa, gave me a picture and said that this is a diamond.
06:23 You tell him in the examination that you can assess this. He said no.
06:29 The lawyer had put on a ring and gave him the ring to assess that you tell him that you can do this.
06:35 He said that I cannot assess this without a machine.
06:38 But in this case, he looked at the pictures given by the investigative officer of NAHAP and
06:45 he did all these assessments based on his specified specifications from the market.
06:52 He did not tell who he did it from. There was no report of assessing diamonds.
06:57 When he was asked which company he worked for, he told me the name of the company, Rainbow Impacts FZ.
07:06 I asked who is the owner. He said he does not know.
07:09 So when the witnesses were examined, they found that he was not an expert witness.
07:15 Obviously, people who understand diamonds, they have 4 C's.
07:18 It is also possible that a diamond of 3 carats is worth 5 crores.
07:21 It is also possible that a diamond of 3 carats is worth 25-30 lakhs because of its color, clarity and cut.
07:29 If it is not good, then its price will be low.
07:31 If all these 3 are very good, then it is a very expensive diamond because it is very rare in the market.
07:36 Very good cut, color and clarity diamonds.
07:40 So, they did nothing.
07:43 Now, let's come to the government employees who did the assessment.
07:47 The government employees who determined that it is worth 2 crores.
07:51 One is the expert witness who told the price of 3 carats.
07:54 But the government employees who determined it, no FIR was filed against them.
07:59 As I told you the procedure, the cabinet division calls FBR, the first evaluation and assessment is done.
08:06 After that, FBR does the second and then a company does the third.
08:10 Not only that, no FIR was filed against anyone.
08:14 All these people who were supposedly a part of this process were also promoted.
08:19 The company from which the government determined the price is present since 2016.
08:27 And I am sure that Mian Nawaz Sharif got the gifts of Toshakhana.
08:33 Maybe Khakha Nawazi got the gifts of Toshakhana and Mian Nawaz Sharif got the gifts of Toshakhana.
08:37 Maybe he evaluated.
08:39 Shoaib Awasi, who himself asked the Naib for pardon, was not allowed to pay the fine.
08:46 He said that he went to the Naib himself and he said that no one told me, no money was given.
08:55 No one offered, but since he was the Prime Minister, I paid the fine.
08:59 When the right to pay the fine was not given, the right to pay the fine was not given to Mukla.
09:05 The lawyer says that he was present in court all day, the judge got up at 5 am and finished the case.
09:13 And this happened when the statement of the investigation officer was recorded.
09:17 Some facts about the judge.
09:20 He fell ill six times during this case.
09:22 Once he wanted to take leave of illness.
09:24 And he requested that he be given leave until he retires, but he did not get that leave.
09:29 Maybe he had to send another minister to his house on his CV.
09:36 And in the Toshakhana case, which was being discussed yesterday under the law enforcement,
09:42 that the statement of Article 342 was very important, that too was not taken by Imran Khan and Bushra Bibi.
09:47 The statement was heard without punishment.
09:50 Because the Supreme Court has decided that the trial is incomplete if this statement is not taken.
09:54 As we said, the right to defend was not given.
09:56 The lawyer's arguments were heard without punishment.
09:59 And Imran Khan and his wife were punished for not being present.
10:04 So these were the facts of the case.
10:06 What happened in this case.
10:07 Many expert witnesses who wanted to criticize Imran Khan were not given this opportunity.
10:12 But as I said earlier, there are many aspects to this.
10:15 This was a legal aspect, what should have happened and what should not have happened.
10:18 I have already talked about the moral aspect that these gifts should not have been taken.
10:22 When you yourself said that although it is legal that any minister or any person who has been given a gift can buy it from Toshakhana,
10:30 but because you yourself said that you should not have taken it, or no one should have taken it,
10:34 and you should not have taken it either, and politics is in it, let's talk about it.
10:38 We have with us Amir Ilyas Rahna Sahib of Atarka and Mazharbaz Sahib is also present.
10:41 Thank you very much to all the guests.
10:43 Amir Sahib, this historical justice of 22 days that has happened,
10:49 and which is called by Mariam Nawaz, I will tell you again, Ali will run it.
10:55 Why do you think it was necessary to do this?
11:00 Because this case has already been punished yesterday.
11:03 Now we are inside, we will stay inside.
11:05 There will be a punishment in the case of Iddat.
11:07 So why is it necessary to do all these punishments?
11:09 You don't have to tell us now.
11:11 No, no, you tell us.
11:12 You said that.
11:13 He said it because many people said it.
11:15 You said that there will be a punishment in the case of Iddat.
11:17 I said that day before yesterday at 10.30 pm, I tweeted that two big decisions are coming in 24-36 hours.
11:24 What will happen?
11:25 People said, let's tell you first.
11:27 Now who told you?
11:28 I mean, it is my assessment, I was a reporter, that this case…
11:32 I read your tweet and I said this because of it.
11:34 No, both of them have been completed.
11:36 The third one is not coming?
11:37 Today the stay is over, so it will come.
11:39 I mean, it came because there was a stay and there was not.
11:42 So now it will go tomorrow.
11:44 There is also a case of £190 million tomorrow, where the individual is charged.
11:47 You told me in great detail.
11:49 I knew that I was…
11:50 Now, my memory is…
11:51 I mean, I didn't read it, that you told me about Mariam Nawaz and Nawaz Sharif,
11:55 when did they say 200 pages long?
11:57 He said it himself.
11:58 That's why.
11:59 Today I said…
12:00 Okay, why did I say it?
12:01 No, no, I said it.
12:02 He said that today I was listening to some journalists on TV.
12:05 He said that the punishment will be given very soon.
12:07 22 days, how much time did you take in that case?
12:09 This is his opinion.
12:10 He said that we said 200 pages.
12:11 We are also saying it.
12:12 We are also saying it quickly.
12:13 There is no need for any delay.
12:14 If Mr. Khan had said, after being angry, that if my lawyer comes, I will come,
12:18 then we would have waited for 2 hours.
12:20 They would have given you a hug.
12:21 Lawyers had already run away.
12:23 Yesterday, Bushra Bibi was declared.
12:25 You didn't say it right.
12:27 342 has been declared, Shabaz Khosa has done it, signed and typed it himself.
12:32 In the presence of Bushra Bibi.
12:34 The entire 342 has been declared.
12:36 Okay.
12:37 Mr. Khan said in the morning that I have written it, but my lawyer should come,
12:40 there will be some changes, which is their right.
12:42 Now, because you have given such a long statement on this,
12:45 facts of the case.
12:46 Yes, Calibri font.
12:47 You know, a statement was made at that time that it is not there.
12:49 And when it came to the High Court, they said that it was available at that time too.
12:52 The evidence was over.
12:53 And they were worried.
12:54 Sir, now you.
12:55 There is no debate on this.
12:56 It is a technical matter.
12:57 This is the same debate as you start asking for money trail today.
13:00 But this is not the case.
13:02 This is my fault.
13:03 Listen.
13:04 No, no, let me answer now.
13:05 And you are talking about violence.
13:06 No, no, you are talking, so let me talk a little.
13:09 You said that Calibri font was there.
13:11 I am telling you how it was.
13:13 Okay, one minute.
13:14 I am saying this because when it was not there before.
13:16 Calibri font, let me tell.
13:17 A lawyer who was found, he was the relative of the head of JIT, the diamond.
13:23 You know, again it goes to the Abbasis, where does it go?
13:27 That lawyer was also found there in London.
13:29 Why do you go to Abbasis everywhere?
13:31 You also went to Abbasis.
13:32 There is no Abbasis here.
13:33 What can I do, I am also bathing.
13:35 I had gone to the well.
13:36 All these cases are run like this.
13:38 If you minus May 9, then maybe this work is not happening.
13:42 If you keep May 9, we all talk about what is this, these are all frauds.
13:47 And one's heart was to spit, it was spitting.
13:51 Means it was clear and first his spit was to be done, he was spitting.
13:56 No, my question was.
13:57 I mean, there is no law here.
13:59 Okay, do the law.
14:00 An establishment has decided that Nawaz Sharif and his daughter, his son-in-law, we have to punish.
14:04 Supreme Court Judge.
14:05 I am saying this because when Ijadur Ahsan Sahib retired, I kept taking his name in his presence.
14:10 He called and told Deputy Chairman Naib, who is now dead.
14:14 The present chairman, that is, the one who was at that time, tell him that you have 7 weeks,
14:18 Chaudhary Kamar Zaman, then I will call you to the court without asking.
14:22 I will punish you.
14:23 Sit quietly and on JIT's report, Naib will not do anything and send.
14:28 There again, Abbasi prosecutor.
14:30 Now what can I do?
14:31 The third one has come.
14:32 He kept fighting, he is still the same.
14:36 I don't know what you do if Abbasi is not there.
14:38 Abbasi is still there.
14:39 See, he is still the same Abbasi, prosecutor.
14:42 Like Judge Bashir is present, about whom it came that the decision was written from Sareena.
14:48 So what are you talking about?
14:51 Now talk about relief.
14:52 I am talking about something else.
14:53 When he goes to the High Court, all the answers to these questions will have to be given to the prosecutor there.
14:58 This is the debate that you did not have to fight the election.
15:02 My question was that when a punishment has been done, why the punishment of four?
15:09 Why should you give this impression about every case?
15:12 Now three more have come.
15:14 You have said one, two more will remain.
15:16 I am saying the same.
15:17 9th May also remains, 190 million also remains.
15:19 When you have to give, give one and cut it inside.
15:22 Already inside.
15:24 I was saying yesterday that Munna Bhai came in a film called MBS 2.
15:27 He said, "Already inside, how much more will you go inside?"
15:29 I said, "Already inside, how much more will you go inside?"
15:32 But I did one thing about Calibri font during my Master's in Computer Science.
15:35 So I did this second Master's in IR too.
15:38 We are already doing it.
15:41 This beta version, whenever a software is made, it is first hidden for experts so that they can test it.
15:49 So that no one else sells it.
15:50 Yes, test it.
15:51 But it is not that if you click on the font, Calibri will come down.
15:55 Calibri will only come when it is inserted.
15:58 You should have been a lawyer, then it would have been saved.
16:01 It is your fault.
16:03 When you are saying on one hand that Imran Khan had stopped going,
16:09 on the other hand, assume that he had stopped saving,
16:12 so whatever lawyer he is, it will be saved.
16:14 How many years later did he save?
16:16 How many humiliation and morality here,
16:18 which you yourself said, that it was a claim of wealth and status of Khan.
16:22 Let me tell you something.
16:23 Let me tell you something inside.
16:24 I will tell you the news.
16:25 My family told me themselves.
16:27 I don't want to take names now because of the record conversation.
16:29 They said that such a deed was signed but was lost.
16:33 So it was made again.
16:35 So this was their version.
16:38 This is the half the record version.
16:41 Of the close family.
16:42 That our deed was signed but was lost,
16:45 was not found, so it was signed.
16:48 Why is punishment necessary in so many cases?
16:50 See, the first thing is that,
16:52 as you mentioned, Mr. Rana also mentioned,
16:55 and this is often mentioned,
16:57 that punishment was to be done.
16:59 At that time, it was to be done to him,
17:01 at this time it was to be done to him.
17:02 When we are having this conversation,
17:04 so the young people listening,
17:05 what message are we giving them?
17:07 What is the system in this country?
17:09 You are giving the message of 2018.
17:10 No, no, I am telling the same.
17:11 At that time, the young people were a little old.
17:12 No, I am telling the same.
17:13 At that time, there was no employment in the country.
17:15 At that time, there was no employment.
17:16 What message are we giving them?
17:17 That the relationship of a citizen with the state,
17:20 in that, the law plays a very key role.
17:23 If you break this relationship in such a way,
17:26 that you say, sir, don't worry about the law,
17:29 this had to happen,
17:30 Mr. Mian had to be released,
17:31 Mr. Khan had to be released,
17:33 then do you think that you will create such a productive citizen?
17:37 It is a very unfortunate thing,
17:38 it is a very unfortunate reality.
17:39 But where is the problem in this?
17:40 You went out on the citizen.
17:42 Let me bring you back a little.
17:44 The politicians of our country should decide
17:47 whether we are ready to be a part of this or not.
17:49 Someone was made in 2018,
17:51 there must have been a beneficiary,
17:53 when someone was hit,
17:54 there was a beneficiary.
17:56 Today, the situation has changed,
17:58 the faces have changed.
17:59 The politicians have to decide today.
18:03 Today I was watching Mariam Nawazishi Sahiba,
18:05 she was celebrating her.
18:07 She was always happy,
18:08 some of them, Bilawal and she.
18:10 They talk to us like this,
18:12 that this happens,
18:13 what message are we giving?
18:14 Secondly, the real diamond in this case,
18:17 I saw,
18:18 was that witness,
18:20 who testified there,
18:22 who was the star witness of the prosecution.
18:24 Imran Bashir Masih.
18:25 Who weighed the diamond in the village.
18:28 What is he?
18:29 Part time salesman?
18:30 Yes, yes.
18:31 Part time, works at a spare parts shop?
18:33 Yes, yes.
18:34 Is he an inter-pass?
18:35 And the one who was mentioned as a pass,
18:36 he was also an employee in Islamabad.
18:38 Yes, yes, the one with the watch,
18:40 he was also an employee.
18:41 Which one?
18:42 The one who was in the supermarket.
18:43 No, no, his name was Shafiq.
18:44 Yes, he was also an employee.
18:45 No, no, no.
18:46 The owner said,
18:47 I have 5 crores in my account,
18:49 I will give you.
18:50 Secondly, secondly,
18:51 this is what he said.
18:52 Now, I will tell you something,
18:54 if you agree,
18:56 it will be a favour.
18:57 Hassan Ayyub was sitting here,
18:59 when this case came,
19:00 he said,
19:01 I said to him,
19:02 that you sold the watch and bought a paratha.
19:05 So, at that time,
19:08 the people who work with watches in Islamabad,
19:09 everyone knew that the watch came to the market and was sold.
19:11 Anyway, I can tell you both now.
19:13 But he wrote,
19:14 that my employee wrote and gave me the receipt,
19:16 he did not take it from me.
19:17 Okay, the second thing is that,
19:18 again from morning,
19:19 the watch,
19:20 again from morning,
19:21 the watch,
19:22 but this case was of the necklace.
19:25 This had nothing to do with the watch.
19:27 From morning,
19:28 the watch thief,
19:29 the watch thief,
19:30 With the necklace,
19:31 that was the food and drink watch.
19:32 No, no,
19:33 the necklace was mentioned,
19:35 that how many diamonds were there in it,
19:38 that was the case.
19:39 It is not mentioned.
19:40 The rest is that,
19:41 why is the punishment intended?
19:42 You know that,
19:43 there are many cases on them.
19:46 It is possible that,
19:47 this punishment will have an impact,
19:49 that their community is completely finished.
19:51 It is possible that,
19:52 someone thinks that,
19:53 It can be done with one punishment.
19:54 What is the need to give four punishments?
19:55 I will come to this.
19:56 I have an interesting theory.
19:58 I will see the political angle,
19:59 I will start with Madan sir,
20:00 then I will go back to the political angle.
20:02 Madan sir,
20:03 I had a friend with me,
20:04 he said that,
20:05 with these decisions,
20:06 it will be easier to break free people.
20:09 Do you think that,
20:10 with these decisions,
20:11 the voter of Tariq Khan will,
20:13 come out and vote?
20:15 There will be some anger in the voter.
20:17 So, the freedom will increase,
20:19 when they increase,
20:21 it will be easier to use it.
20:23 Thank you Kashif.
20:26 See,
20:27 if this had happened before,
20:29 if we had got such examples in history,
20:31 that,
20:32 where a Prime Minister,
20:34 or a person of this stature,
20:36 has been punished,
20:38 and his voter has got angry with him,
20:40 and has separated from him,
20:41 on the basis that,
20:42 you have committed a crime,
20:43 and you have been punished.
20:45 Why doesn't the voter get separated?
20:47 Why doesn't the supporter get separated?
20:48 Because,
20:49 he doesn't have trust in our judiciary.
20:52 He,
20:53 when a leader of a different party,
20:55 gets punished,
20:57 then his current judiciary,
21:00 they understand,
21:02 they understand that,
21:03 this is political victimization.
21:05 Whether it is or not,
21:06 is a separate debate.
21:07 But they understand,
21:09 that why our leader is the target.
21:11 You,
21:12 look at it a few years ago,
21:14 look at the supporters of PMLN,
21:16 before that,
21:17 look at the people's party.
21:18 So, there is a pattern.
21:19 In that pattern,
21:20 I have never seen,
21:22 that a leader has been punished,
21:24 and on the basis of that punishment,
21:26 his supporters and voters,
21:28 have made him a target.
21:30 So, this question doesn't arise,
21:32 that an independent,
21:34 even a neutral voter,
21:36 will have an effect on his mind.
21:38 Because he is seeing a pattern,
21:40 that not only with a leader,
21:42 but with his party,
21:43 his election symbol,
21:44 he should do a rally,
21:45 the rally should be dispersed,
21:47 he should do a Jalsa,
21:48 the Jalsa should be dispersed,
21:49 it should not be allowed.
21:50 So, he will say,
21:51 this is also a link to that same chain.
21:53 He has a very simple logic,
21:55 that this is a pattern,
21:57 and in that pattern,
21:58 this punishment has been given.
22:00 My problem is not,
22:02 that in Tosha Khana,
22:04 the moral standards,
22:06 what were those?
22:08 I am surprised,
22:10 14 years imprisonment,
22:12 in which cases,
22:14 does 14 years imprisonment happen?
22:16 Murder cases,
22:18 kidnapping for ransom cases,
22:20 terrorism cases,
22:22 I don't remember,
22:24 that in such a case,
22:26 14 years means life imprisonment.
22:28 And when you put a maximum sentence
22:30 for life imprisonment,
22:32 then it is either life imprisonment
22:34 or death sentence.
22:36 This extreme sentence,
22:38 is beyond my understanding.
22:40 Sir, I remember,
22:42 that the issue of national security,
22:44 was given 10 years.
22:46 Yes, I am saying the same.
22:48 Like,
22:50 Mian Sahib was punished
22:52 for life imprisonment once,
22:54 in the case of hijacking,
22:56 in Musharraf's period,
22:58 and I had attended that
23:00 entire trial,
23:02 covered it.
23:04 Even then, the same question was raised,
23:06 that those who were kidnapped,
23:08 according to the prosecution,
23:10 they had not even come to the court
23:12 to give a statement.
23:14 But the punishment was given,
23:16 because the punishment had to be given.
23:18 Here also, the same people feel,
23:20 especially their supporters feel,
23:22 that the punishment had to be given.
23:24 So you are saying,
23:26 that if people take it as a political punishment,
23:28 you are also saying,
23:30 that it will not have a voter effect.
23:32 I am not allowed to say this.
23:34 It will not happen,
23:36 and it will be taken as a political sentence.
23:38 Let's take a break,
23:40 and come back after the break.
23:42 Welcome back, Naseem.
23:44 One more punishment,
23:46 one more day,
23:48 and now Amir Ilyas Khan,
23:50 I think his stay has been terminated,
23:52 on the case of Iddat.
23:54 If it happens in the 190 million,
23:56 then individual crimes will be charged.
23:58 And then on 9th May,
24:00 the case of Mashhoor-e-Alam has been
24:02 investigated.
24:04 Now, the real thing is,
24:06 what Madar Sahib was saying,
24:08 a very interesting thing,
24:10 he said that I had filed a case
24:12 of Nawaz Sharif in Karachi,
24:14 the day he was punished in the
24:16 helicopter case,
24:18 and he said that he wants to talk.
24:20 This story that is being made,
24:22 he said that he won't let me talk.
24:24 The case was filed,
24:26 but the jail was not there.
24:28 What year was this?
24:30 Nawaz Sharif Musharraf.
24:32 I will tell you some other things,
24:34 then you will say that it is the same thing.
24:36 No, no, no, not Marshallah,
24:38 that was also the time of the Chief Executive.
24:40 He also did not use the word Marshallah.
24:42 He said that the decision should come,
24:44 and then,
24:46 Mian Nawaz Sharif said that
24:48 he wants to talk.
24:50 Farooq Adam is in the middle,
24:52 he said that he will talk,
24:54 let the decision come.
24:56 Everyone knew the decision,
24:58 as we know now.
25:00 Nawaz Sharif was punished,
25:02 Mian Sahib came,
25:04 the police came in the middle.
25:06 I was there,
25:08 Tariq Sumai, Shahid Khan Abasi,
25:10 sorry, his sister,
25:12 Sadia Abasi and Ahsan Iqbal.
25:14 They also spoke today.
25:16 They are speaking to Shahid Khan
25:18 every day for 45 minutes.
25:20 No, I am talking about the politicians,
25:22 this is the difference.
25:24 When you become a victim,
25:26 then these things work.
25:28 It was very good with Khan Sahib.
25:30 Good to see you,
25:32 the Chief Justice was saying,
25:34 he is giving me a pen,
25:36 where should I take the decision of 27 pages,
25:38 why did you not punish anyone?
25:40 He was sitting to chat.
25:42 When he was the King,
25:44 he was punishing people.
25:46 And now, when the time came,
25:48 he ran away.
25:50 This is all right,
25:52 but the system has to be right.
25:54 It is not just the politicians,
25:56 I am talking about what our brother
25:58 Athar Sahib was saying,
26:00 all of them were together.
26:02 We will have to differentiate,
26:04 at that time, the law was in violation.
26:06 When was the law in violation in Nawaz Sharif's case?
26:08 No, I am not talking about that.
26:10 I am talking about the time of Musharraf.
26:12 The punishment that Nawaz Sharif got,
26:14 he did not stay in Peshi for a day.
26:16 This is what you are saying,
26:18 every day.
26:20 200 Peshis.
26:22 Every day.
26:24 No one took any notice,
26:26 no one took leave,
26:28 no lawyer came out.
26:30 How many lawyers can run in 22 days?
26:32 He was continuously taking a leave.
26:34 It is in front of you and me.
26:36 One day.
26:38 One day,
26:40 the judge said that he was sick,
26:42 he went to the court.
26:44 The next day at 10 am,
26:46 he said that the case will be filed at 11 am.
26:48 He said, "I am in Lahore,
26:50 how will I come?"
26:52 And the day the IAO was not allowed to run,
26:54 and the lawyer was sitting inside
26:56 at that time.
26:58 The lawyer was always changed.
27:00 The 10th lawyer came to the court.
27:02 The problem is that,
27:04 kindly if I finish my sentence,
27:06 and if I have to give examples
27:08 of Musharraf's time,
27:10 or if I have to count the whips
27:12 of Zia-ul-Haq for the journalists,
27:14 then we are living in a different era.
27:16 Why don't you say something good?
27:18 We are living in a different era.
27:20 We are living in a different era.
27:22 Have we not made progress?
27:24 Is there not a democratic government
27:26 which is a watchdog?
27:28 The Prime Minister used to say,
27:30 "I will get the IAS off the ground."
27:32 I am saying that,
27:34 we are talking here.
27:36 He is also a politician.
27:38 He wants a level playing field.
27:40 He will make statements.
27:42 He will make statements,
27:44 but he will not win the elections.
27:46 He is a politician.
27:48 He will not win the elections.
27:50 He will get four punishments.
27:52 This is a circle.
27:54 Your circle is not complete.
27:56 Leave the politicians.
27:58 The level playing field
28:00 was what the politicians were asking for.
28:02 I am a voter for the Noon League.
28:04 I know I have to vote for Sher.
28:06 I am a voter for the People's Party.
28:08 I have to go to Teer.
28:10 If I am a voter for Tariq-e-Insaf,
28:12 where is my level playing field?
28:14 You have taken away the level playing field
28:16 from the people.
28:18 I am saying that,
28:20 you are circling around the politicians,
28:22 but there are 24 crore people in this.
28:24 They have to live here.
28:26 Everything is being said here.
28:28 The PP is becoming a witness.
28:30 I will talk about this later.
28:32 We feel strange
28:34 because people are being sent
28:36 from the jail to London.
28:38 If someone goes to jail,
28:40 we feel strange.
28:42 The second thing is,
28:44 why are you laughing?
28:46 The person who went to jail
28:48 was Mariam Nawaz.
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36:26 But we have to see who wins.