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- Hasnaat Malik (Court Reporter)
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with me, Kashif Abbasi.
00:15Today, we will talk about some political issues, the case of Kothaini and the Supreme Court.
00:20First, we will start with the Supreme Court.
00:23The most interesting issue in the case of the Supreme Court is that,
00:30on what basis should a decision be made?
00:33A set of judges think that a decision should not be made on whether the Sunni Itaad Council is a political group and whether it should get seats or not.
00:42This is a fundamental question on which the Chief Justice of Pakistan wants to go.
00:46When he says, the letter and spirit of the constitution,
00:50not the spirit, just the letter.
00:52But other judges have come up with different ideas,
00:56whether to limit it to justice,
01:00or to go ahead according to Article 117, which talks about complete justice.
01:06This is the fundamental division in the Supreme Court.
01:09I will start with the different views of the judges.
01:14Justice Mansoor Ali Shah has said that,
01:17we are looking at the case, we have caught one part, whether the Sunni Itaad Council is a political party or not.
01:22What did he say? Listen to it yourself.
01:24While we are looking at the case, from one end,
01:26in the entire election, we have caught one portion, whether the SIC is a political party or not,
01:31and they get reserved seats.
01:33Now, when we open the lens of complete justice,
01:35we say, wait a minute, we cannot close our eyes on this,
01:38how did we reach the SIC?
01:40We reached the SIC because, had the election commission declared PTI as a party,
01:44with whatever 2, 3, 4 candidates,
01:46independents would have had a choice that they were the PTI also.
01:49We all understand that all those independents have won the election,
01:52because they held out to the public they were PTI people.
01:55All those votes were casted for these 84 people, because they were PTI.
02:00Now we say, okay, we don't want to look at all that,
02:03and we start looking at this little portion.
02:06What else do we have to do with complete justice, this clause,
02:09that if we cannot see the whole picture,
02:11no one will show it to you.
02:13No, don't show it, don't show it.
02:15Sir, this was Justice Mansoor's view.
02:18In fact, Atharv Manohla's view is not much different from this.
02:21In other words, you are asking the SEPA's court,
02:26wasted this jurisdiction extraordinary as well,
02:29that one looks at 185, what would be the effect?
02:34No, no, he was saying that do we have to look at this in a very small way,
02:37or do we have to take a big view of it?
02:39What do you have to say about this?
02:41In other words, you are asking the SEPA's court,
02:44wasted this jurisdiction extraordinary as well,
02:48that one looks at 185, what would be the effect?
02:53The effect would be during these proceedings,
02:56one thing has become absolutely obvious,
02:59that there has been a grave constitutional violation
03:02by excluding a political party
03:05on the basis of misinterpretation of the provisions
03:08and a judgment of this court.
03:10So now, indirectly, this SEPA's court
03:13would be validating a grave constitutional violation
03:17and thus invoking the doctrine of necessity again.
03:20Now, this is not an ordinary 185 litigation.
03:24It relates to the rights of the people,
03:27particularly those who by now...
03:30Justice Athar Minilla, he said,
03:33his question is whether PTI is a political party or not.
03:38We will come to this later.
03:40If it was, then the Election Commission made a grave mistake
03:43by misinterpreting the decision of the Supreme Court,
03:47on the basis of which this whole issue has arisen.
03:50If the basis is wrong, then the basis must also be corrected.
03:53Justice Muni also has a similar view.
04:23When we are in this realm, if this is the correct position,
04:27that this whole problem or issue is arising
04:30out of errors made by the Election Commission,
04:33then surely it is the, or is it not,
04:36the duty of the court, the Supreme Court,
04:39to the extent that it is able to do that,
04:41to correct that error, to rectify the problem.
04:44If there are violations and mistakes of the Election Commission of Pakistan,
04:48then is it the job of the Supreme Court to correct them?
04:51Justice Muni, but Qazi Faisal Sahib,
04:53is perhaps closer to the letter of the Constitution.
04:56A lot of debate is going on.
04:59The division in this court is visible.
05:02What is his view on this? Please listen.
05:04When judges, some of them may have great wisdom.
05:07I am not one of those.
05:08Say, forget what the Constitution says.
05:10There is this one word, justice.
05:12And I am going to elect, erect an edifice
05:15on the basis of this one word.
05:17Then we might as well go away with the Constitution.
05:19Because we are now imposing our vision on the nation.
05:22We are imposing what the Constitution says.
05:25Hang on. Constitution makers, you didn't quite get it right.
05:28We know what justice is.
05:30We are imposing our will on Parliament.
05:32When we go into these vague concepts,
05:34we get into all sorts of troubles which are history.
05:36It's not academic anymore.
05:38Since mention was made on Doctrine of Necessity,
05:40it was on...
05:41This is the division of the bench.
05:42Qazi Sahib has made his view very clear.
05:44Today's Don Akhbar, yesterday's proceedings,
05:47the headline that Don Akhbar has put on it,
05:50that CJP comes to ECP's rescue.
05:53If we can run this on the TV screen.
05:58I will show it from here.
06:00CJP comes to ECP's rescue on reserve seats.
06:03That is, the Chief Justice of Pakistan has come to save the Election Commission of Pakistan.
06:07This is a view on reserve seats.
06:10An English newspaper has led by this.
06:14What is their view on yesterday's proceedings?
06:17Hasnath Malik is with us.
06:19Thank you very much.
06:20Atif Khan, Tariq Khan, Yathar Kazmi and Muneeb Farooq are with us.
06:25But let's first see what is happening in the Supreme Court.
06:29Is it right that this is the division at the moment?
06:32What to do?
06:34The majority judges are saying or saying that
06:39it is important to see whether Sunni Ta'at Council is a party or not.
06:44Why did it become a party?
06:46Why did the free people go there?
06:48Why couldn't they go to PTI?
06:50It is also important to see this.
06:51And Mr. Qazi says no.
06:53It should be limited to the constitution.
06:54But one thing is that the judges of the Supreme Court are unanimous.
06:57And that is that the decision of January 13,
07:00the Election Commission did not interpret it correctly.
07:03In this, all the judges.
07:04And the Chief Justice of Pakistan is also there.
07:05All of them.
07:06But the Chief Justice does not want to correct it.
07:07The rest of the judges will have to correct it.
07:08They say that whatever has happened, has happened.
07:10I want to see the text.
07:12And in the text, it is that proportional representation.
07:15The political parties will get reserve seats.
07:18And all those people who were PTI back,
07:22who were returned candidates, they were independent.
07:24So because of this.
07:25Why were they independent?
07:27The reason is that your judgment.
07:28Did the Election Commission make them independent?
07:30Election Commission and Justice Qazi's judgment.
07:32Because of a judgment.
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