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00:44 Yes, welcome to another edition of the Believe in Carolina Panthers Podcast here on the Believe
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00:54 I'm your host, Desmond Johnson, joined by Sports Illustrated Beat writer Skylar Collihan
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01:07 Lots to get to.
01:08 This is the one after Super Bowl 58.
01:10 We won't necessarily get into the nuts and bolts of what happened during the game because
01:13 it was two days ago, but there's a couple of things from the game that I think we can
01:15 kind of discuss.
01:16 One of the things I wanted to get into was the actual Travis Kelce, Andy Reid bump on
01:24 the sideline bit because I have the luxury of having two gentlemen with me that have
01:27 actually played organized sports before.
01:29 So I've been getting into social media debates about this all day yesterday and there was
01:35 one thing I realized at the end of the night that kind of struck me as being a little odd.
01:39 So I'll get these guys ideas about that here in just a bit.
01:44 The Usher halftime show, where do you rank it all time?
01:46 I thought it was actually pretty good.
01:48 A couple of parts that he might've been able to do without.
01:51 We'll get into that as well.
01:54 And this, the Chiefs, it's a dynasty at this point.
01:56 They won three Super Bowls in the past five years.
02:00 They seem to believe it is, I think they may very well be right and who's going to stop
02:03 it going forward.
02:05 So we'll get into all of that and more, excuse me, in just a bit.
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02:36 And again, I want to start off with the, the whole, what was I guess, second quarter or
02:41 so the game was kind of a rock fight for most of it.
02:45 So about the fourth quarter and then to the overtime period, like frustrated, a frustrated
02:51 Travis Kelsey runs over to Andy Reed and scream something in his face.
02:55 His momentum bumps the guy.
02:58 I didn't see a whole lot of people talking about this honestly on TV yesterday, which
03:02 is kind of surprising.
03:03 I did however, see a lot of this conversation on social media and my feed in particular
03:07 where people were, they were passing around this like post that somebody had typed out
03:11 or whatever about how we shouldn't automatically look for dirt on people and enjoy the good
03:16 stuff and all this blah, blah, blah.
03:18 That's nothing to do with what happened.
03:19 It literally has nothing to do with what happened.
03:21 So I wanted to get my guy's opinion on this because Skylar, you've played organized football,
03:26 Stu, obviously you've played organized football.
03:28 Has that ever happened to you on a sideline where you've seen a player bump a coach or
03:34 get in their face to that degree?
03:36 And what happened to that player when, when that happened?
03:40 Because that, that, that to me is the thing that's blowing my mind that everyone's just
03:43 like, Oh, he's human.
03:44 Humans make mistakes.
03:45 Of course they do.
03:46 But that doesn't mean you get to make them and then there's no repercussion for it.
03:49 So Skylar, I'm going to start off with you first.
03:52 Have you, in your playing career, did you ever see a player, did you ever see a player
03:57 do something?
03:58 Was it you?
03:59 Did something to this effect?
04:00 And if so, what happened?
04:02 I was, I was a pretty feisty player.
04:05 I kind of wore my emotions on my plate probably more than I should have, but I never got that
04:12 heated with a coach.
04:13 I've got into it with a coach before, but not to that level.
04:16 I have had though two experiences where one of my teammates got pretty involved and, and
04:24 had some, some feisty things to say.
04:27 I never came to a point where he got shoved or anything like that, but this is kind of
04:33 speaks to, I guess the situation, like one of the kids that it happened, it was back
04:38 in, I think maybe my middle school days and player was kind of like a no, no name player
04:45 just kind of, you know, was upset that he wasn't playing so on and so forth.
04:50 Well, it happened in like the third quarter of a game.
04:53 We were getting blown out and well, he never saw the field the rest of the season.
04:57 Now there was only two or three games left, but when you do something like that and you're
05:02 a player that's not playing a whole bunch, you're not really helping your account, your
05:06 cause.
05:08 The other one I believe was my freshman year.
05:11 Again, I can't remember, but one of the better players on the team running back, he did it.
05:18 He got a little bit of a chewing on the sideline.
05:21 He was right back out there.
05:24 And I think that's kind of the nerve.
05:25 I mean, maybe more so at the low, at the lower levels, I don't obviously have that NFL experience
05:30 like Stu has, but I think in, in Travis Kelsey's situation, had that happened during the season,
05:39 it might be a little different.
05:40 It's the Superbowl.
05:41 You need your best players out there.
05:43 And I think the frustration, it just, it just boils over.
05:47 And I think for Andy Reid, he understands like, look, he's pissed off.
05:50 I'm pissed off too.
05:52 We've just got to move on.
05:54 And I, I think a lot of people are blowing it out of proportion.
05:57 Is it something you should have done?
05:59 No, but I think it would have been handled probably a little bit differently if it wasn't
06:03 the Superbowl.
06:04 Stu, because I honestly have no idea where you're going to go with this one.
06:07 Because for me, I feel like you could go either way.
06:09 Like I really have no idea your take on this.
06:12 After you saw it, what was your reaction?
06:15 And has that happened to you?
06:17 Was it you?
06:18 Have you done that before on a sideline with a coach or have you seen a teammate do it?
06:22 And what happened to that player when, when that happened?
06:28 Well, first of all, kids, rule of thumb in professional organized football or any sport
06:39 of that matter, you are not to go up to your head coach, an elder at that and bump him
06:46 and scream off the top of your lungs, how you feel about what's going on in the game.
06:53 Man, 65.
06:55 You know, and, and obviously this is an emotional game.
07:00 This isn't a playoff game.
07:02 This isn't a preseason game.
07:03 This isn't practice.
07:04 This isn't a regular season game.
07:06 It's the Superbowl.
07:07 So your emotions are running high and you know, player like Travis Kelsey he's a Hall
07:15 of Famer.
07:16 He's, he's the greatest tight end of all time.
07:19 It doesn't excuse you for acting the way you act.
07:25 Part of the reason why you are one of the greatest is because you have shown to carry
07:30 yourself in a manner that is respectful to others.
07:34 I'm given any circumstance to whom much is given, much is required.
07:40 And you know, I think that is something that absolutely needs to be registered.
07:50 You know, as far as you know, what is expected from a guy of his stature from any athlete
07:57 at any level.
08:00 You don't ever go up to, you know, your coach.
08:06 You can, you can express how you feel.
08:07 Cause I mean, at the end of the day, that's, you know, that's what this is all about, right?
08:11 Like we have the freedom of speech, but you don't got the freedom of any physical altercation.
08:18 You can't, you know, bump a guy.
08:23 Cause I mean, if this, if Andy Reid wasn't, you know, I'm pretty sure Andy's in the 320
08:28 range, um, you know, and so if he wasn't through her and 20 pounds, if he was, if he was Schuyler
08:36 size, you know, Skylar would have been on the floor and that would have been a whole
08:41 different part of this discussion.
08:43 You wobble, wobble, wobble.
08:44 Hey, you call it a cheap shot.
08:49 So just think about it this way.
08:50 Could you imagine like, I don't even know, like Sam Laporta coming up and doing that
08:55 to Dan Campbell.
08:57 He might've bounced off of Dan Campbell.
08:59 He might've hit him back.
09:01 Who knows?
09:02 I'm my, okay.
09:03 So I've had a day to absorb this and see what was going on online.
09:07 And uh, I didn't even think I was going to have to use this.
09:12 I've noticed an underlying theme here where every single person I saw that posted what
09:18 I saw about, you know, don't go after Travis, Kelsey, blah, blah, blah.
09:21 They were all female.
09:22 There wasn't a single male and I'm going to, I'm going to hear it from the Swifties after
09:26 this, but we've been defending her for like a month.
09:29 Hey man, listen, I'm tippy toeing.
09:30 Why don't you say what you got before we get about to see what you're going to say?
09:33 Let me give my, let me give my plea.
09:36 I have nothing to deal with whatever Desiree was about to say about y'all Swifties.
09:43 It's not about them.
09:44 It's not about them.
09:45 Rock till we rock.
09:46 I hope you come out with a new album.
09:48 My daughter loves you.
09:51 I noticed it was the same ones that I saw a day or two earlier.
09:54 They were like, I just got my new Superbowl year and it'd be like a sweatshirt that says,
09:59 I'm a fan of Taylor Swift's boyfriend or something like that.
10:02 And I'm like, okay, all that's fine.
10:04 We've said all that's fine.
10:05 It's brought me eyeballs to the sport, brought young kids to the sport that may have normally
10:08 not watched the NFL.
10:09 All this is fine.
10:10 I have no problem with Taylor Swift being the games or them showing or any of that stuff.
10:13 I did have a problem with this though when people were like, um, it's okay.
10:18 Well, not necessarily was okay, but that yes, he was wrong, but he's a human and humans
10:24 make mistakes and things of that sort.
10:26 It felt like he was getting a pass because he's, he's Taylor Swift's boyfriend.
10:30 And that's where I landed on.
10:32 Because let me ask you guys this.
10:34 If Fred Warner had done that to Kyle Shanahan and that same part of the game, what would
10:38 the public reaction have been a different narrative?
10:41 That's for sure.
10:42 Completely, completely.
10:43 And you can't ignore it.
10:44 And every time I've asked that question online, people ignore it.
10:46 I think what's happening right now is, you know, it's, it's all emotions.
10:54 Everyone's having their own emotions and you know, Travis was wrong.
11:01 Period.
11:02 Shouldn't have done it.
11:04 It didn't help.
11:05 It didn't help that Andy Reed defuses the game.
11:08 And I think at the end of the day, you know, the magnitude of what's important in the society,
11:17 the reality is that this was a super bowl.
11:20 Now, how things played out, if they would have lost, I think this would have, this would
11:26 have been part of another discussion.
11:28 Wow.
11:29 Where, oh man, the chiefs are falling apart.
11:33 Andy Reed can't control his players.
11:36 Travis Kelsey is a spoiled little boy or whatever, like, but that, but he just did it.
11:43 And not to say that Travis Kelsey is a spoiled, spoiled little boy.
11:47 He's a grown man.
11:49 And he shows that every day when he puts them pads on.
11:53 So but I think the narratives will change, you know, given the outcome and the, the,
12:04 the subject and the matter and the money about what happened on Sunday is about the super
12:10 bowl.
12:11 And so the chiefs won the super bowl.
12:14 So the narrative and the talk and, and what people are going to point people towards is
12:22 the money we need to celebrate the chiefs now.
12:26 Okay.
12:27 So if you want to talk about Travis Kelsey, we not about that because we bought this,
12:32 we bought this money, right?
12:34 But they've been talking about them all year.
12:36 That's my point.
12:37 Like they literally focused on this man and his private life all year.
12:42 And he actually does something at work that you're, that's frowned upon and everyone just
12:46 raises, just like lift their hands from it.
12:48 Like we didn't see that.
12:49 I just, I just told you why, man, the reason why is because ain't nobody got time for that.
12:56 That's really, no one has time to talk about Travis Kelsey and his coach.
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14:51 Let's be honest.
14:52 How many guys are going to win a Super Bowl when you go up against
14:54 there's three?
14:55 And look, you're going to face those types of guys when you get there.
14:58 But I think Kyle Shanahan is a hell of a coach,
15:01 and he's going to get himself a Super Bowl ring.
15:04 It's just a matter of time.
15:07 I mean, he's had a lot of things that have went against him.
15:09 Now they're going to go through some changes this offseason.
15:11 Like we've already seen some stuff out there about Brandon Iyuk
15:15 and a lot of – is George Kittle kind of on the downside of his career?
15:19 Like who knows?
15:20 I don't know.
15:21 But they're going to be fine.
15:22 They're going to be back in it next year.
15:24 I actually think they're probably my way too early NFC favorite,
15:29 and that's not just because they got to the Super Bowl,
15:31 but I think they're going to be the head and shoulders favorite in my opinion.
15:35 Yeah, they're still stacked.
15:37 Like I'm sitting here trying to think of –
15:38 Anything that people have to say about the 49ers as far as being a bust
15:44 or whatever, listen.
15:47 I mean, they have the game won.
15:49 You're in your feelings right now, which you should be.
15:51 You should be salty because you all just lost the Super Bowl,
15:54 but you made it to the Super Bowl.
15:55 Not everybody else made it to the Super Bowl.
15:57 But to that point, they're stacked.
16:02 I think the turning point of the game was the muff punt.
16:05 You know what I'm saying?
16:06 So like Super Bowls are all about who's going to show up that day.
16:13 I feel like San Francisco made a lot of great plays.
16:16 They made a lot of good special teams play.
16:20 I mean, the receiver, number 84, what's his last name?
16:24 Conley.
16:25 Conley, yeah.
16:26 I mean, he was down just running.
16:28 He was the first one down there on every punt smacking a guy.
16:32 I mean, they were out there making plays, turnovers,
16:36 like coming up with big plays on defense.
16:40 But when it comes to pivotal moments in a game like this,
16:45 that muff punt, that was a shifter.
16:48 Whenever you have a special teams play go wrong,
16:51 that's the reason why they say special teams, be special.
16:55 We need you to be special because a lot of times these games
17:02 are determined by something happening on special teams,
17:08 whether it's a missed extra point, a missed field goal kick,
17:14 a muffed punt, a blocked punt.
17:17 So like a blocked field goal kick, there's just so many things
17:21 that can transform a game.
17:26 And I think that's what really happened to the Niners there.
17:30 And then obviously too, one of my keys to victory for them was
17:34 to run the freaking ball.
17:36 Like this was a game where C-Mac should have had 20 carries
17:42 before the fourth quarter.
17:45 He had 30 touches, I believe, 30 plus touches overall.
17:48 I think he finished with 22 carries or something, seven catches.
17:52 He finished with 22 carries, but it's the Super Bowl, bro.
17:57 Yeah, they went away from it.
17:59 You know what I'm saying?
18:00 Like this is what got y'all to where y'all are.
18:05 I don't care what you--he's the offensive player of the year for a reason.
18:08 And so like that one drive where they actually fed him, what,
18:14 four times maybe on the run?
18:17 I mean, that was the drive.
18:20 That's what you could have been doing the whole entire time
18:23 if you just stick with it, right?
18:25 And I think sometimes when you get offensive coordinator that's so--
18:29 he's definitely blessed, right?
18:32 Like he's gifted in the sense of how he can call plays
18:35 and how he gets guys moving around.
18:40 Like don't go tit for tat in a situation like this.
18:45 We see teams do that against Mahomes all the time.
18:48 And I can't stand it.
18:50 Like you're here to win a Super Bowl, not to prove a point.
18:53 Like we get it.
18:55 Like all the talk about your quarterback
18:58 and all the talk about who's the better offensive mind
19:02 and all this stuff.
19:04 Like right now you're sitting there thinking to yourself,
19:07 "Man, I wish we could have did this better.
19:10 I wish we could have did that better."
19:12 And I've been a part of that.
19:14 I've been on that side.
19:15 I've been on that side of, "Man, if we could have just did this.
19:19 Man, if we could have just stuck to this plan.
19:23 If we could have just changed the protection on this."
19:26 So many things of woulda, coulda, shoulda that you just go back and say,
19:30 "Man, now we can't do anything about."
19:34 There's one part of it that I actually do like,
19:37 and this is kind of very controversial too.
19:39 The whole decision to take the ball first in overtime, I actually like it.
19:43 I was going to bring that up.
19:44 I was going to ask that question to you guys
19:46 because it almost felt like San Francisco--
19:48 it felt like some of the players didn't know the rules,
19:51 the new rules to overtime.
19:52 Because with the new rules,
19:53 it almost feels like it benefits you to defer instead of taking the pitch.
19:58 I mean, like--
19:59 I mean, it depends on your mindset.
20:02 Right.
20:03 Like, for me, like, yeah, if you go down and score,
20:07 then yeah, the other team knows they have four downs the whole way down the field.
20:11 But the thing is, say San Francisco doesn't even move past the 50,
20:15 is Kansas City going to go for it on fourth--
20:17 if they punt the ball away and they get it at their own 20,
20:20 are they going to go three and out and go for it on fourth down?
20:22 No, they're going to punt.
20:24 So it's not necessarily that they're going to get four downs every time.
20:27 That's only if you score.
20:29 But by scoring, you also put the pressure on them
20:33 to have to go all the way down the field.
20:35 You have no idea.
20:36 There could be a botch snap, a fumble, a pick.
20:38 There's a lot of things that go into it.
20:40 That's why I don't mind going for it or taking the ball first.
20:43 Because--and then, too, like Shanahan was saying,
20:45 if you go down and score, the other team comes back and matches it,
20:50 you have a chance to go end the game.
20:51 True.
20:52 So I get the whole you've got four downs,
20:55 but that's only if you make a field goal or touchdown on that opening drive.
21:00 If not, Kansas City is going to do the same thing if they get stopped.
21:04 They're going to punt the ball back to you.
21:05 The reverse of that could be if they deferred,
21:08 you're putting the power into your defense that's played well all night,
21:12 and if they can just stop them from scoring completely,
21:14 all you've got to do is go down and kick a field goal and you win the game, right?
21:16 Because they weren't in possession.
21:18 I don't think it's necessarily a wrong way to go about it.
21:21 I think it's pretty damn fair.
21:23 It's all about the DNA and the momentum of the game.
21:26 So if your defense is playing really well, which both defenses were,
21:31 you know what I'm saying?
21:32 Yeah, they really were.
21:33 For the most part.
21:34 And so my mindset would be, hey, look, defense, go out there and stop them.
21:41 Make it easy on our offense, period.
21:44 That's the way I would go about it.
21:47 Then you have an offensive mind that's like, no,
21:50 we're going to go out there and set the tone.
21:53 They're going to have to play catch up.
21:55 You know what I'm saying?
21:56 So you can see both sides if that's the case.
22:00 And that last chief drive when they had to go score a touchdown,
22:03 I think they had like a -- was there a pass interference or something in there?
22:07 Something kept that drive alive, like some kind of penalty or something,
22:09 I remember.
22:10 Yeah.
22:11 I think it was pass interference.
22:13 Something happened.
22:14 It was --
22:15 Came on as a --
22:16 It was holding.
22:17 It was --
22:20 It wasn't pass interference.
22:21 It was just a holding call.
22:22 But it was something that if they had not done that,
22:25 they could have basically been done.
22:27 And then I also saw, too, I don't know how accurate this is,
22:29 but on the last play, which coincidentally was the last play that the Chiefs ran,
22:36 I think when they beat the Eagles last year.
22:40 Or the Corndog play.
22:43 Yeah.
22:44 Someone was saying there's an offensive lineman downfield.
22:46 It should have been a penalty.
22:49 I mean, there's a lot of things that --
22:50 Hey, listen, listen.
22:52 We're not taking anything away from the Kansas City Chiefs.
22:54 No.
22:55 But I will tell you this.
22:56 There was a lot of holding calls that went unnoticed.
22:59 Bro, yo.
23:01 Like all day.
23:02 I was like, ooh, are they going to call that?
23:04 Oh, my God.
23:05 Like I was watching Duke Carolina basketball.
23:07 Like a tote bag.
23:08 Because the Duke Carolina basketball game, they were calling no fouls.
23:10 Like the whole night.
23:11 I'm like, what is going on?
23:12 I heard that slap in my living room.
23:15 You're not calling it.
23:16 And it felt like they were just kind of letting them play on Sunday.
23:18 If you guys -- if you're in the gallery and you want to chime in, like Devin here,
23:23 he says, I think the 49ers' last eight offensive plays were seven passes, one run.
23:26 You can't beat the Chiefs passing.
23:28 He is right.
23:29 Where was the ball spotted out on the final play?
23:31 Because isn't it five yards?
23:33 You have to be downfield?
23:35 Yeah, something like that.
23:36 And they were -- you know what?
23:38 I can go probably take a picture while we're doing that.
23:40 I don't think it would have mattered, right, if they were inside the five.
23:43 I don't think it would have either.
23:45 I thought they were at like the three or the four.
23:48 So, I mean, if they were at the three or the four,
23:50 then I don't even think it would be possible for a legal man downfield.
23:54 They did -- and shout out to defensive coordinator Steve Wilkes for San Francisco
23:59 because the San Francisco defense held Kansas City to three points, basically,
24:05 over three quarters.
24:07 And they didn't score on any turnovers.
24:12 Right.
24:13 They didn't score any turnovers.
24:15 That's the biggest problem for the 49ers is they didn't score on any turnovers.
24:19 CMC had that early fumble when they drove all the way down the field
24:22 and then they punched the ball out on somebody else again
24:26 and they couldn't convert.
24:27 You're right.
24:28 In a game that tight, you've got to convert those turnovers.
24:31 You can't give Pat Mahomes air, and that's kind of what they did.
24:34 When they got to the fourth quarter, I was like, "Hmm."
24:37 I heard my voice in my head, "Don't bet against Pat Mahomes after January."
24:40 I was like, "You guys are lucky."
24:42 I heard your voice all throughout that game.
24:44 I was just thinking to myself, "Man, look, Patty Mahomes, I'm never doing it again."
24:50 It's the truth, man.
24:51 He's the damn truth.
24:52 So, that actually leads me to the question I was thinking of when that game ended.
24:56 Has Mahomes entered -- forget the whole has he caught Brady yet because he hasn't.
25:00 He ain't caught Brady yet.
25:01 He's on the road.
25:02 He sees his taillights, but he hasn't caught him yet.
25:06 But has Mahomes hit '90s Jordan level of dominance in terms of as long as he's healthy
25:12 and playing, no one in this conference is eating.
25:15 No one can get to the Super Bowl because of Pat Mahomes.
25:17 Well, here's what makes it more impressive.
25:20 He's got Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow.
25:24 I mean, just quarterback after quarterback.
25:26 Justin Herberts in his division.
25:29 Jordan didn't have that kind of murderer's row in the union college back then.
25:34 Well, if I count the whole '90s, so he kept -- I'm thinking all the stars he kept from getting to --
25:39 so Patrick Ewing, Reggie Miller.
25:41 Gary Payton.
25:43 Gary Payton.
25:44 If he played a full season, no one ate in the '90s.
25:47 If he played a full season -- people will throw the Orlando Magic in my face.
25:50 "All right, he played 40 games or whatever before that series -- or 14 or whatever it ended up being."
25:55 The next year, what happened?
25:57 When he played a full season, they won 72 games.
26:00 He won all the awards.
26:01 He won MVP of everything.
26:03 And then he beat that Orlando team that was a 60-game winner itself.
26:06 Like, I think Mahomes has gotten to this point.
26:09 Here's the only knock -- and I say this with -- that Jordan is, in my question, the GOAT of NBA.
26:18 But the one season that he did not play, Scottie Pippen and the Bulls are still damn good.
26:24 But they weren't as good.
26:25 Right, they weren't as good.
26:26 And I'm glad you brought that up because this is the debate I get with people all the time,
26:30 the people that try to frame LeBron up with Jordan.
26:33 That is true.
26:34 That was a good team in '94.
26:36 But that was literally the roster from the '93 championship team without Jordan.
26:40 And they added KuKoach.
26:41 So, like, literally there wasn't a lot of fall off.
26:43 And they only got to the Eastern Conference semifinals who they got beat by, Patrick Ewing and the Knicks.
26:48 So I see where you're saying.
26:51 I see where you're going.
26:52 But --
26:54 Let me say this, too.
26:56 With the ending of that game, am I the only one that thought they were crazy as hell for not calling a timeout?
27:02 Who?
27:03 Kansas City.
27:05 I mean, the clock was running.
27:06 They had two timeouts.
27:07 If they don't get that right there, they have three seconds left.
27:10 Yeah.
27:11 It was like they were trusting that everything was just going to work out.
27:15 Yeah, I mean, if you take a timeout, you at least give yourself three cracks at the end zone.
27:21 I don't know.
27:22 It's almost like they just knew it was going to work because I'm like, "Why the hell are they letting this thing run all the way down?"
27:28 Confidence, man.
27:29 Confidence.
27:30 Yeah.
27:31 They got them where they want them.
27:32 It's a mouse trap.
27:33 Like I said, they were in the same play.
27:35 They were in the same play.
27:36 The cheese is right there.
27:37 We just put the cheese there and they took it.
27:38 [Laughter]
27:40 Just thinking back on that game, Pacheco stands out to me.
27:45 Angry running.
27:46 Just running angry.
27:48 Yeah.
27:49 I love the fact that after his fumble, they're just showing on the sideline, and you can actually see how that team actually rocks and how they actually respond to controversy.
28:05 Not everybody going over there and saying, "Hey, man, you got this."
28:10 It's like, "No, he's got this."
28:12 You know what I'm saying?
28:14 Whenever a player fumbles or throws an interception or whatever it is, bad play, I like to be left alone.
28:24 Don't come over here talking to me.
28:26 No idea.
28:27 Just leave me alone.
28:28 You can really see the identity of that team is their identity is a bunch of dogs that want to make plays and that can make plays and have the confidence that they can actually do those things.
28:42 Seeing the sideline after that, no one came up to him.
28:49 People are just sitting next to him just as usual.
28:52 Those are all good signs of a good locker room, good sideline.
28:58 Zach makes a great point about the clock and Skylar's question about the timeouts.
29:02 They weren't worried about the clock since there was second overtime this year.
29:04 That's right.
29:05 It wasn't going to run out at the end of the overtime period.
29:07 It would have just been like the second quarter.
29:08 Yeah, but they were down.
29:09 They were down.
29:11 That's what I'm saying.
29:12 Yeah, you got a point.
29:14 It's like, wow, what were they doing?
29:16 But, yeah, they were kind of playing.
29:17 It did feel like San Francisco, some of the players did not understand the overtime rules, that they felt like the time ran out and they were up.
29:23 That was it.
29:24 Done deal.
29:25 But, no, it's a whole new game, like 0-0, like fourth quarter type deal.
29:28 So healthy burrow is a problem for the Chiefs.
29:32 You want me to bring my weekly Debbie Downer for the show?
29:37 Go for it.
29:38 Stu loves this part every week.
29:42 Watching the Super Bowl, and, I mean, it's kind of obvious when you're talking about a 2-15 team, but just going to show you how far the Panthers have to come.
29:52 Dude, so much time they had blocking, like the quarterbacks.
29:55 Yeah.
29:56 I was amazed by it.
29:57 This roster, I think, like we talked about the depth issues before, but it's not just the depth issues.
30:05 Like you have to go get some bonafide dudes, and right now this roster only has a handful.
30:11 Dogs.
30:12 Dogs.
30:13 Some dogs.
30:14 Yeah.
30:15 Dan Morgan would say.
30:16 And with no first-round pick, I mean, and I'm not saying just the one first-round pick would do it, but like this is going to, and I think I talked about it a couple weeks ago, it's going to be like a three-year thing.
30:26 If they go the route that San Francisco did, and that seems to be the plan, San Francisco is like vultures to me.
30:31 Like they kind of, they loom around, and like whenever a team has like a guy that was, maybe he was drafted really high, he's not hanging out, they pounce on it, and they get him for like pennies on the dollar, and then he turns into a star.
30:43 Chase Young.
30:44 Chase Young, like you said, they got him for a second-round pick in the middle of the year from Washington, who was falling apart at the time.
30:50 They fleeced us with CMC.
30:52 They got him in the middle of the year.
30:56 Everyone thought he was injury-prone.
30:57 They didn't have to give up a first for him.
30:58 They have built their team like that with pieces to fill in where now it's like the talent level is over the top, and Chase Young still in his rookie deal, if I'm not mistaken.
31:06 CMC's already signed.
31:07 Like they don't, they're not losing a whole lot.
31:10 You can, I wouldn't say you can replace a Brandon Ayoub, but it wasn't like he was the first, second, or third option on the offense.
31:16 I mean, they're set up to go here for a while because I don't know what Philly's doing.
31:20 It feels like Philly's doing a soft reset almost.
31:22 You see Hasan Reddick is at permission for a trade.
31:26 Would you go after Hasan Reddick?
31:27 Try to bring him back here?
31:28 I just posted on my Twitter why it makes zero sense for the Panthers.
31:33 Yeah.
31:34 I just did the article before the show.
31:37 Well, he's what, 29, I think?
31:39 He'll be 30 next September.
31:41 Well, he's only here because of his relationship with Rule, though, right?
31:44 Isn't that why he came?
31:45 I think what you have to do is you have to really take a look at what you have this offseason on your roster.
31:52 Because we have some good players.
31:56 It's not like we're a totally, we're not a total dud.
31:59 But what you do have to do is you have to be active at all times as far as the free agent pool, as far as different scenarios, as far as trade values and trade opportunities.
32:15 That's exactly what 49ers have done.
32:17 They've been building continuously.
32:20 It's not just an offseason thing.
32:22 It's not just a draft thing.
32:25 This is a, hmm, this makes sense right now.
32:29 Like, let's go and get this guy right now.
32:32 And if it don't work, we lost a second.
32:34 And I love how they've been active the last three years in that department.
32:40 You look at them going after CMC, bringing him to the Niners.
32:45 You got Chase Young.
32:48 Those are just two examples of finding guys that fit what they, you know, are their goals and their needs.
33:02 Brandon Ayuk, you're just talking about him.
33:05 Like, he is probably the third or fourth option on the team.
33:10 But it's because you have Christian, you have Debo, you have Kittle, and then you have himself.
33:17 So three or four, right?
33:19 I would call him three because obviously he has more catches this year than Kittle.
33:23 But when you have guys, you build a roster like that, that's what makes you good.
33:32 Because now defense is just kind of like, all right, who do I cover, coach?
33:37 Like, who do we need to help on?
33:40 Like, who do we need to double team?
33:42 There's two guys that we probably should double team here, but which one do we pick?
33:47 [Laughter]
33:48 And it becomes the same thing for the Chiefs because if you look at the Chiefs and their roster,
33:57 they're not screaming, oh, amazing all-star talent.
34:02 But when you talk about speed, who do we cover?
34:06 Because if we don't cover this guy, he going to leave me in the dust?
34:10 They went and got their boy McCall Hardman from the Chefs.
34:14 -They went and got him back, yeah. -Yeah.
34:16 And that was a midseason situation.
34:19 That was a continuous execution on the front office of making sure their roster is being completed
34:26 by the time they get to the playoffs.
34:28 -He wanted to come back too. -And so in pivotal moments,
34:32 it's what value do you place on players?
34:36 Because if this guy can help us win one game, that's all that matters.
34:43 If he can help us win one game, and that's how you see them strapping up their offense
34:49 and their defense is with that same mentality.
34:52 It's like, hey, look, you're not going to play this game.
34:54 You're not going to play probably for six games.
34:57 You're not going to get the ball for six games.
34:59 Who knows?
35:00 But you're going to help us win one game at least.
35:04 And who caught the game-winning touchdown? McCall Hardman.
35:07 And he didn't even know he was the game winner, from my understanding.
35:09 When he caught it, he didn't realize overtime was over and the game was over
35:12 when he caught the ball.
35:14 He was probably distraught just like everybody else.
35:17 [laughter]
35:19 I was going to ask real quick before we get out of here, a little shortened version today.
35:23 I was going to ask about the commercials like we usually do after the Super Bowl,
35:25 but to be honest, I wasn't really impressed with a lot of the commercials this year.
35:28 -It felt like-- -Didn't even watch them, honestly.
35:30 Yeah. Teemoo or whatever, the joint that's like a cheaper version of Wish
35:36 where everything's like nine on cent, they had to spend so many nine on cent buys
35:40 because they had so many commercials that ran through the sea.
35:44 They were like a sponsor. I was like, how do they have the money to do this?
35:47 They ran like 12 commercials.
35:49 I'm really actually disappointed in the commercials because you have so much money.
35:54 I'm going to tell you why we mad, son. I'm going to tell you why we mad, son.
35:57 They have so much money, but they can't find anybody creative?
36:02 -Yeah. -You need to tell me you got a whole year
36:05 to figure out what this commercial is going to be and you're going to spend millions of dollars
36:09 to put something on so that way it can be memorable.
36:12 I don't remember any commercial besides Beyonce's commercial.
36:15 I was going to say the Beyonce one, the bonus or whatever.
36:17 She's running to be the Beyonce of the United States.
36:19 And then what does she do? As soon as that commercial ended, she dropped two country songs.
36:24 Bam. Here you go. Take them. See what you want.
36:26 That's why she's been wearing cowboy hats the past month or whatever.
36:29 -She's wearing blonde. -She's going country.
36:32 Everybody's kind of laughing. Oh, she's trying to do Taylor Swift.
36:35 -And she's from Texas, so it goes, too. -She's from Texas. She grew up in this.
36:40 Let her do what she's going to do. That's Beyonce.
36:42 If there's anyone in the world I feel like could challenge Taylor Swift in terms of whatever this is.
36:48 You see what she's doing, too. Maybe that was one of her little jabs.
36:54 -At Taylor Swift. -I'm telling you.
36:57 Like, oh, you think you the icon?
36:59 -Look at this. I was just resting. I was watching my kids. -I can do this. I can actually do this, too.
37:05 I was dropping the Super Bowl to see what happened.
37:07 And apparently, people went to go listen to it. My wife said she went to go look for it yesterday.
37:11 I was like, I wasn't going to look for it, but it'll come across my range.
37:15 I'm going to go look for it right after this.
37:18 -And then finally-- -I'm going to put my daughter on.
37:22 -Finally, Taylor Swift is great, but Beyonce is out of the chain.
37:26 -Yeah, Beyonce is the bonus. You need to get with her.
37:30 Usher's halftime show. Thoughts on that? Where do you rank it all-time?
37:33 Because it was better than Rihanna.
37:35 -Oh, Skylar. Oh, boy. Hey, listen. -Oh, no. Here we go.
37:40 -Man, if I had a shoe-- -What's wrong with it?
37:43 -What's wrong with it? -I'm going to send somebody over there.
37:46 I don't know what they need to do. They need to sign up.
37:48 They need to create a Grubhub option of someone to go deliver a slap to people.
37:54 -They just show up at your door. -I can just see it now.
37:57 -Next time I'm walking in the halls of Bank America Stadium, Stu sees me.
38:02 He's going to want to slap me across the head.
38:05 -What didn't you like about it? I will say Alicia Keys was completely unnecessary.
38:09 -I don't know. Super Bowl shows--
38:13 And this is just me sounding like I'm trying to get off my rocker.
38:16 Ten years ago, I think the Super Bowl halftime shows were better.
38:20 They were just an actual show, people singing.
38:24 There will never be another Prince halftime show.
38:27 -Usher was singing. -He was, but what I'm saying is--
38:31 -And dancing. And doing flips. -It was about the actual thing.
38:34 -He was on roller skates. -And roller skating.
38:37 -What more can you ask for out of a performance?
38:42 -He's a grown man to get out of roller skates.
38:44 -He could be in eight seconds. He literally got off them skates so fast.
38:48 -It just didn't get me going, I'm sorry.
38:52 -People always say Prince is number one, but they can never tell me what else happened
38:56 in that performance other than him playing Purple Rain in the rain at the very end.
39:00 I feel like it catapults it, which I'm fine with. I'm a huge Prince fan,
39:03 and Purple Rain is one of my favorite songs of all time, so it's iconic.
39:06 But that was one part of the entire thing.
39:08 Nothing is touching Dr. Dre and Prince to me.
39:11 -That was a good one. -There was like 350 million albums
39:15 sold on that stage at the same time. I don't think we'll ever get that again.
39:19 -Was that the LA one? -Yeah, and they were in LA.
39:22 -I'll say, if you want to break it down to categories, iconic-wise,
39:27 Prince, the most iconic person to ever perform at a--
39:31 I mean, Whitney Houston's-- -Michael Jackson.
39:34 -Well, Whitney never did a halftime, but-- -Michael Jackson.
39:36 -I mean, there's a lot there, right?
39:39 -But-- -Recent times, man, listen,
39:42 -Usher's up there in top five. -Yeah, I put him in top five.
39:45 I had Dr. Dre and Prince, the Beyoncé one in New Orleans
39:51 -when the electricity went out. -Yeah.
39:54 She did Formation and something else, and then we had the delay
39:58 because the power wouldn't come back home. That was right there.
40:01 And then Usher. And then you start getting in the weeds
40:05 because they had some weird ones where they had acts
40:08 that didn't go together. -Bruno Mars didn't do too bad either
40:11 because he was singing live and dancing.
40:13 -Wasn't Beyoncé with him? -The Weeknd was one.
40:16 -The Weeknd did the worst. -The Weeknd was the worst.
40:18 I hate it. Now, listen, that was the absolute worst.
40:21 -They recreated him in the room with the mirrors, and he's like--
40:24 -Like, "Dude, where are you? Are you in a box somewhere?
40:27 Do you need help? Do you need help out?
40:30 Are you in a balled-up piece of paper right now somewhere?"
40:35 -They did-- There was one year way back.
40:38 They did Britney Spears in sync.
40:40 -Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake.
40:43 -There's only one answer for next year.
40:45 It's got to be Little Wayne, right? New Orleans.
40:48 -That would be dope. -Oh, it's in New Orleans?
40:50 Just do Cash Money. Just do Cash Money.
40:52 -But we know it'll be two years from now, right?
40:55 -Where are they? -Taylor Swift.
40:58 -Hmm. -She's been asked before.
41:01 She keeps turning it down, which is--
41:03 -She's already paid to do it. -She won't turn it down now.
41:06 -I promise you this. Usher woke up today
41:08 with more money in his bank account because everybody
41:10 started streaming all those songs again on Spotify and iTunes and stuff.
41:13 That's where the money comes from. You get a bounce in the streaming.
41:16 -They got $52 million. -Oh, and I will say,
41:18 shout-out to my beautiful wife, Jennifer,
41:20 who called out about 45 minutes before the halftime show.
41:23 She was like, "Look, Alicia Keys sings flat or sharp and live,
41:28 and I promise you she's going to have a crack in her voice
41:31 as soon as she starts singing." And lo and behold,
41:33 the very first note Alicia Keys sang was a crack.
41:37 And she just looked at me.
41:39 -She looked at me. I was like, "Oh, no."
41:41 -She was critiquing me, like, "Look, Alicia Keys
41:44 was probably performing throughout the whole week of Super Bowl."
41:47 -No, it sounded like she hadn't performed at all in a year or so
41:50 and just hopped up there with no vocal check.
41:52 It was like, "Oh, Alicia Keys, Alicia needs no vocal check."
41:55 Did y'all think Usher was being a little fresh with her?
41:57 You know she's married to Swiss Beats.
41:59 -What'd you say? -She's married to Swiss Beats.
42:02 He was being kind of...fresh.
42:05 [laughs]
42:07 He's kind of touching rubbery things.
42:09 Like, I'm sitting at home with a married man like,
42:12 "Bro, Swiss, ah."
42:15 -I don't know.
42:17 We can't get into people's business like that.
42:20 [laughter]
42:22 But, you know, they was performing.
42:24 -They was performing. -That's how it was performing.
42:26 -If you're watching a TV show or a movie
42:29 and you saw some business go down, you wouldn't be thinking to yourself,
42:32 "Oh, that person's married." -That's true.
42:34 That's true. I can't get caught up in that.
42:36 That's what he opened up with was caught up there.
42:38 -Although, you know what?
42:40 I actually think, you know, a lot of those types of things and scenes,
42:44 I don't know why those even exist.
42:46 Like, do we really, like, watch a show or a movie for those clippings?
42:52 Or are we looking for the actual story?
42:54 I don't know. -Hmm.
42:56 -That's a discussion for another podcast.
42:58 -Kage Luke says, "I was not thinking about Alicia Keys' voice being--"
43:01 [laughter]
43:02 My mind was all over the place.
43:03 The game was boring at that point.
43:05 Like, it was a defensive struggle.
43:06 So we was-- -I want to go back.
43:08 I want to go back to Kyle Shanahan for a sec.
43:10 -Mm-hmm.
43:13 -Kyle Shanahan, you know, there's a lot of, you know,
43:18 roar because of recent times of his experiences in the Super Bowl.
43:24 With the Patriots and the Falcons, that was an overtime game, right?
43:28 -Yeah, yeah.
43:29 [laughter]
43:30 -It was?
43:31 -That was the first overtime game in Super Bowl history, yeah.
43:33 They're down 28-3.
43:35 -I mean, he's-- -Not running the ball.
43:37 -He's the first coach to have two overtime games to lose.
43:40 -You're right.
43:41 Wow.
43:42 Wow. -But, I mean, look at his career.
43:44 -Wow.
43:45 -But look at his career.
43:46 I mean, he's young, man.
43:47 Look.
43:48 -Mm-hmm.
43:49 -He's still got a lot of-- he's got a lot of coaching to do.
43:53 And then you look at Andy Reid.
43:56 Andy Reid.
43:59 -He couldn't win one of the--
44:01 -When he was in Philly, they was calling for that man's head.
44:05 -Yeah, and I was like-- -I mean, you had Donnie--
44:07 -It's 10 years ago.
44:08 -You had-- -20, 20 years ago.
44:10 -You had some guys, right?
44:13 Westbrook, like--
44:15 So, I mean, there's just so much comparison there
44:18 that I think people need to talk about more, right?
44:22 Like, where we call for guys' heads,
44:26 but don't be that guy that has a receipt
44:29 to turn over when they start winning.
44:32 -Yeah. -Because they are primed to win.
44:37 You got the roster.
44:40 I see them for the next three years
44:42 being, like, absolute contenders.
44:47 If they're playing the Kansas City Chiefs again,
44:50 they're not gonna win.
44:51 I can tell you that.
44:53 -That's good virtue.
44:55 -I'm not betting against Patrick Mahomes ever again.
44:59 -It don't matter who he's throwing to,
45:01 who he's handing off to.
45:02 It just don't matter.
45:04 -If you are a betting person,
45:06 if you have a fan duel or bet on sports,
45:10 what's the thing that we-- bet online?
45:12 If you are betting online at bet online,
45:18 make sure that you place your bet
45:23 on the side of Patrick Mahomes.
45:25 Whatever Patrick Mahomes is doing
45:27 and whatever they're asking,
45:28 whether he's gonna do or not do,
45:30 always bet that he's gonna do it.
45:32 -Yes. Yes.
45:34 -Your percentage of winning will just go up, okay?
45:39 So that's the best I learned from this Super Bowl,
45:43 and I hope y'all learned something, too.
45:45 -So before we get out of here,
45:47 real quick special announcement.
45:49 We thought about it.
45:50 We were like, "What are we gonna do this offseason?"
45:51 'Cause after they hire the coaches,
45:52 there's a little gap before the draft,
45:54 and what can we do that'll actually be something fun
45:58 for Panther fans to kind of be involved with?
46:00 So we landed on we are going to build
46:02 the ultimate Panthers 52-man roster of all time.
46:06 And the way this will work,
46:07 if you're not following already,
46:08 go to Instagram, follow us there
46:10 @BelieveInCarolinaPanthers,
46:11 or go to Twitter and follow us @BelieveInPanthers.
46:14 We'll have polls up each week for different positions,
46:17 and basically we're gonna put up,
46:19 if it's the linebackers,
46:20 you're gonna have everybody from Sam Mills,
46:22 Dan Morgan, John Beeson, Luke Keekly, Thomas Davis,
46:25 and you'll get to pick multiple ones,
46:27 and the top two or three or whatever
46:29 for each position will make the roster.
46:31 Each week, we'll focus on a specific group
46:33 and kind of go through the nominees,
46:35 talk about the players, figure out what it is,
46:37 and ultimately, by the time we get to,
46:39 hopefully by the time we get to the draft,
46:40 we'll have an actual hardcore Panther 52-man roster
46:43 of all time that the fans selected.
46:45 It won't be me, it won't be Skyler, it won't be Stu,
46:47 we'll just kind of either make fun of your picks
46:49 or we'll cheer them.
46:50 (laughs)
46:51 But either way, they're all Panthers,
46:53 and we'll be able to do that there.
46:54 So definitely watch out for that.
46:56 Go follow us on Twitter.
46:58 Again, my Twitter got hacked,
46:59 so if you're following @DZ_3505,
47:02 let me know what's going on,
47:03 'cause whoever took it, they blocked me.
47:05 So now I can't even see what's going on.
47:07 When they realized, I realized what was going on.
47:09 - You're promoting the deck one every day.
47:11 - Yeah, I typed it.
47:12 I was like, "Hey, what are you doing with my account?"
47:14 And then the next thing I know, it was like,
47:15 "You are blocking all of this."
47:16 - And if you're wondering why it's only a 52-man roster,
47:19 well, that's because JJ Jansen's got Long Snapper locked up.
47:22 - Oh, he's locked, he's in.
47:23 Yeah, he's in there.
47:24 So we're not even gonna worry about figuring that one out.
47:27 But that'll start probably next episode.
47:30 We'll probably be back next week.
47:32 We took last week off,
47:34 so it depends on when Believe gets our graphics together
47:37 and all that stuff.
47:38 But we'll have all that together soon.
47:40 - Shout out to the new coaching staff
47:41 that's being built right now, too.
47:43 Running back's coach, I really love that for the room.
47:46 - I like what they're doing.
47:47 - I love what he did in Oakland when he was there
47:50 with Latavius Murray.
47:51 That was the year that Latavius Murray
47:53 was having an insane football season
47:56 and basically got put on the map.
47:58 So whatever he did there,
48:00 I'm excited to see him do that here in the Carolinas
48:03 for our boy Chuba and whoever else is in the back.
48:07 - The last thing I'll say, too,
48:09 watching the Super Bowl, especially San Francisco,
48:12 it made me, well, not realize,
48:14 it made me remember,
48:15 coaching relationships are so important.
48:17 Like, you can't just slap a coaching staff together
48:19 like they tried to do last year.
48:20 Like, the guys that work underneath Kyle Shanahan
48:23 and Andy Reid have been there for a while.
48:25 Like, they're there for a reason.
48:27 And you can see the trust amongst them all
48:29 when they're doing whatever they gotta do.
48:31 We didn't have that last year,
48:32 but it's blatantly obvious.
48:33 So hopefully, by starting at the very top
48:35 with Dan and Dave having that relationship
48:38 and it kind of branching out to who they're bringing in,
48:40 they're kind of building something similar.
48:41 I can kind of see what they're doing.
48:43 They're kind of modeling the 49er thing
48:46 with how they built that team.
48:47 So we'll see how that goes.
48:48 But Skylar had to hop off.
48:50 We're about to hop off as well.
48:51 Again, follow our social media
48:52 to keep track of the Ultimate 52.
48:54 That'll be coming up here soon.
48:56 You'll be able to participate in those.
48:57 For Skylar Callahan, for Jonathan Stewart,
48:59 this is Desmond Johnson.
49:00 You've been watching and listening
49:01 to Believe in Carolina Panthers podcast
49:03 here on Believe Podcast Networks.
49:04 Keep it up.
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