Siyasi Jor Tor.. PTI Ki Mulaqatein.. 177 Siton Ka Dawa Sher Afzal Marwatt Ka Ahem Tajzia
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00:00 We will keep this whole situation in front of us.
00:02 Mr. Sher Afzal Marwat is with us. He is the leader of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
00:05 Thank you very much, Mr. Marwat, for joining us.
00:07 Mr. Marwat, this is a strange thing. I have only run the Maulana's sorts.
00:12 I have not run the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf's leadership yet.
00:18 What is happening? How will there be unity?
00:20 Is it even a possibility, considering all the previous statements?
00:25 All the previous statements are political.
00:29 Our Jamiat Ulama-e-Islam have always had differences.
00:35 They are religiously political. We are a liberal party.
00:39 Our ideological approach is not the same.
00:43 The second reason for the differences is the personal attacks that were committed.
00:49 We did it on them and they did it on us.
00:52 This is a story of 10-12 years.
00:56 But today, if we are talking about the unity of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf and Jamiat Ulama-e-Islam,
01:03 there are two or three misconceptions.
01:06 However, the unity that we have seen, there is a very simple reason for it.
01:12 The Maulana refused to form a government with Shahbaz Sharif and the People's Party.
01:20 He said that he would sit in the opposition.
01:24 This is the first thing.
01:26 The second thing he said was that he would protest against the rigging in the results.
01:33 Now, we have statements about the rigging in the results.
01:37 We also held an international media conference on this issue today.
01:40 We are going to protest against this tomorrow.
01:43 The second thing is that Mr. Khan has also withdrawn his protest.
01:48 Yesterday, when I met Mr. Khan, I was present at the press conference.
01:54 We discussed the press conference of Maulana Shahbaz Sharif.
01:57 He gave a message of goodwill to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf in his own words.
02:03 This is the first time I saw Mr. Khan reciprocating.
02:08 I saw his nature as a person of goodwill.
02:14 Before this, Mr. Khan had a clear position.
02:18 He said that he would only protest against the person he had spoken against.
02:21 He did not want to go back and forth.
02:23 Although, this is what is said about Sheikh Rashid and the alliance with WMQM.
02:28 But, is he ready to reciprocate?
02:31 If the Pakistan People's Party makes any contact tomorrow, will he reciprocate?
02:37 Or is this an offer only for Maulana Shahbaz Sharif?
02:41 Sheikh Rashid has entered the category where he gave a press conference and condemned PTI.
02:48 So, the party that has condemned PTI, our allies, has condemned us.
02:57 I gave a statement on this.
02:59 When Sheikh Rashid said that he wanted PTI's support, I rejected him.
03:04 I said that this is a clear opportunity and we will field our candidates.
03:07 We did not do anything wrong with the MQM.
03:11 They, on the behest of the BJP, in April 2022, became a part of the conspiracy.
03:18 Yesterday, Maulana Shahbaz Sharif mentioned that this was done on the behest of the BJP.
03:24 Have you heard the shots that I fired on Maulana Shahbaz Sharif?
03:28 He said that this was not an external conspiracy.
03:30 This was Maulana's own conspiracy.
03:33 Was it true then or is it true now?
03:36 Maulana Shahbaz Sharif has given such statements in the past.
03:40 He claimed this.
03:42 But not today, but a few months ago he dissociated himself from PTI.
03:47 He said that the regime change that he was under, was done by the People's Party.
03:54 And even today, I think, he is saying this with great shock.
03:57 The People's Party is owning it.
03:59 The second thing is that we are not going to have any alliance with Maulana Shahbaz Sharif.
04:06 He said that he is protesting and sitting in the opposition.
04:10 We also have to protest.
04:13 So we went as a charity.
04:15 We went to him a while ago for his condolences.
04:19 He had praised the blast that took place in Bajawad.
04:22 But when Khan said that all the political forces that are in line with our narrative,
04:31 should be approached.
04:33 The three parties, People's Party, PMLN and MQM,
04:39 these are the parties that have stolen our mandate.
04:41 There could not have been any discussion with them.
04:43 Two votes were cast on this, when the People's Party tried to make a government
04:48 by taking PTI's side instead of the law.
04:52 And they reached out to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Azam.
04:55 Yes, they reached out and we presented all those things to Khan.
04:59 To what level did you talk to him?
05:01 We could not have talked to him without his permission.
05:05 However, the communication that was made,
05:09 he did not believe it.
05:12 In fact, at 11 o'clock he said that you and Hassan Qaisar are waiting for you.
05:19 It was three days ago.
05:22 That night we had a meeting with the party.
05:29 After that, we brought all these things to Khan's notice.
05:33 That this is the position of the People's Party.
05:35 If he had given permission, we might have moved forward.
05:37 But, Mr. Khan said that he does not have the power to make a government.
05:40 He said that he does not want to make a government.
05:42 Our fight is for the rule of law,
05:44 supremacy of the constitution and real freedom.
05:47 What object can we get from this,
05:49 that we sit with those who have stolen our mandate.
05:52 So, that discussion ended.
05:54 If we are still sitting with Mr. Mawlana,
05:57 then we are sitting on the point of protest.
06:00 Secondly, if he is sitting in the opposition,
06:03 and PTI nominated Umar Ayub Khan as a candidate,
06:07 then I do not think that he will vote for Shabaz Sharif.
06:11 So, there is no unity, but the discussion will continue.
06:14 The discussion will continue and we want to work out
06:18 that our meetings should at least be within the working relationship.
06:22 The time that has passed between us and JUI,
06:26 has passed completely out of the scope of the discussion.
06:31 Tell us about the Jamaat-e-Islami.
06:33 You are saying that there will be no unity with JUI,
06:36 but we want to take the matter to that extent,
06:38 that the matter does not become volatile.
06:40 What is the situation with the Jamaat-e-Islami?
06:42 Our unity with the Jamaat-e-Islami,
06:45 because their unity is possible, it has been in the past.
06:48 Is there unity or not?
06:50 You give news, you must have the news.
06:52 No, we wanted to be a part of the Jamaat-e-Islami party,
06:59 so that we can secure the reserve seats.
07:02 We are more acceptable in the Jamaat-e-Islami,
07:06 for unity and for the establishment of a government,
07:09 but unfortunately the mandate of the Jamaat-e-Islami
07:12 is not equal to that of the Parliament.
07:15 So, you will not include your independence in the Jamaat-e-Islami?
07:20 No, this decision has not been taken yet.
07:24 Apart from the Jamaat-e-Islami, the MWM is also being discussed.
07:27 The most preferred candidate would be the Jamaat-e-Islami,
07:31 if the Jamaat-e-Islami had a seat in the NAO.
07:34 If there is no seat of any party,
07:37 and they have not given a reserve list to the election commission,
07:41 although there is no requirement for this in the Article 51 Constitution,
07:45 but they have put it in the Election Act,
07:48 through which this is a requirement.
07:51 So, we cannot be more in line with these things.
07:54 We are also being criticized a lot,
07:57 that the parties we are participating in,
08:01 people are criticizing that this is a matter of spreading religious hatred in the past.
08:11 Mr. Marwa, on one hand you are saying that we wanted to make unity,
08:16 or to come to power, we wanted to use a certain seat of the Jamaat-e-Islami,
08:22 but now you are sitting in the opposition.
08:25 One question that is very important.
08:27 We are not sitting in the opposition.
08:29 No, Barrister Saif has said that. Do you deny that?
08:32 No, Barrister Saif does not know. I do not deny.
08:36 We have nominated Umar Ayub Khan for the Prime Minister.
08:41 How can we sit in the opposition?
08:43 We have a very clear stance.
08:45 We are fighting. Give us our right.
08:48 And, we have told the international media that the Election Commission and the courts have stayed with the Noon notifications till 17.
09:00 And, we are also appealing to the Supreme Court.
09:04 If they stay with the Noon notifications till 50-60, then how will the Noon make a government?
09:09 But the problem is that the People's Party, Noon, MQM, and many other independent parties,
09:16 they have some members.
09:18 They have the numbers, but we can see that.
09:20 We are talking about the legal environment.
09:22 If you are in the legal environment and someone stays, then it is a different matter.
09:25 But, how will you complete the numbers?
09:28 You have 93 candidates.
09:30 We have 97.
09:33 Number one.
09:34 Number two, if the 17 MQMs who have been nominated,
09:39 all of them have won.
09:40 They have not nominated any candidate from 5000-6000.
09:43 The question is that Mariam Aurangzeb is saying that we are taking the form 45,
09:48 but you are taking pictures and screenshots.
09:51 I have a message for Mariam Aurangzeb, Mian Nawaz Sharif, and Shabaz Sharif from Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.
09:58 Tomorrow, they will bring their form 45 to the Election Commission.
10:02 We will bring our form 45.
10:04 We do not only have our own, but we have collected from all the candidates of other parties in every constituency.
10:10 And the Election Commission will need one day to get the truth.
10:15 Why have you not taken the Election Commission yet?
10:17 We have collected all the form 45 candidates from the Election Commission.
10:21 Then why are you criticizing Mariam Aurangzeb?
10:24 She has never been to the Election Commission.
10:26 She is just making a fuss.
10:27 She is saying wrong things and you are saying right things.
10:29 You have said that you have taken the form 45 to the Election Commission.
10:32 You are contradicting her statement.
10:34 I was a lawyer in 20-25 cases of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf.
10:39 And apart from me, there were many other lawyers who were in the same position for 120 years.
10:47 And in every case, we have said that this is form 45 and this is form 47.
10:55 Form 45 is the basic document.
10:58 On the basis of which, form 47 is made.
11:01 Thank you very much for joining us.
11:03 It was a pleasure having you.