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Wala ba kitay mga towing service nga daling maka rescue sa mga ma aberiyang sakyanan aron malikayan ang mga kahuot sa trapiko?
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Unsay mga lakang sa simbahan ug Sugbo sa pagbawi sa mga panels nga naa sa National Museum?
Wala ba kitay mga towing service nga daling maka rescue sa mga ma aberiyang sakyanan aron malikayan ang mga kahuot sa trapiko?
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01:52 She is the one who made me beautiful in Sansar. Happy birthday Ate Jean!
01:59 Happy birthday!
02:00 Happy birthday to you, Ate Jean.
02:01 So, I'm going to put this on.
02:04 Ate Jean has a lot of pressure.
02:06 No pressure.
02:07 Anyway. So, let's start by telling the story of "The Problems of Taps".
02:15 And then, we will tell the story of what is the next step in the Church,
02:22 if they are already called.
02:23 What are the options, what are the available remedies in the Church and in the Church Of Christ
02:29 to restore the pulpit panels that are now in the National Museum?
02:33 We can go there, if there is a need to save,
02:36 because the Church is the subject of the people,
02:41 because the Church holds the heritage.
02:43 It holds artifacts, right?
02:45 Yes.
02:46 So, it holds the past, the old ones.
02:48 I think this is the Canon Law, I'm not familiar with it.
02:51 This is the first one.
02:52 This is the first one.
02:53 This is Father Ryan Brigoli.
02:55 So, he has a big problem.
02:58 He has a 24-hour towing service.
03:03 Yes.
03:04 He has a problem.
03:05 He has a problem with the fact that there are a lot of cars,
03:09 not only the ones in the viaduct.
03:11 And then, every year, when there is a traffic jam,
03:15 not only in the SRP, but also here in Talisay,
03:20 there are a lot of...
03:22 What is the solution, if it is not a mistake,
03:28 what are the remedies available?
03:31 Is it applicable to the RMA, to the traffic authorities?
03:41 And if they can find someone who can help them,
03:44 at the same time, the road is already paved.
03:49 Yes, the skywalk.
03:50 The skywalk is already paved.
03:52 So, the road is already paved.
03:54 So, it's easier.
03:55 It's easier for you.
03:56 It's easier for you.
03:57 Here in DOH, the skywalk is already paved.
04:02 So, it's easier for you to work.
04:04 And we will also answer your question,
04:08 what are the plans, where can we get the rescued
04:13 or recycled items from the skywalks?
04:18 So, in the middle of this week,
04:20 we need to show the prices of the cargo.
04:27 The cargo.
04:28 In the first market of the city of Cebu, the cargo.
04:31 So, at least in the middle of the week,
04:33 we can buy it on the weekend.
04:36 So, at least early, middle of the week,
04:39 we can buy it.
04:40 We can budget.
04:42 We can budget for our room.
04:45 We have a lot of time.
04:47 Anyway, here in TAPS,
04:49 just to put it in context,
04:56 on February 14,
04:59 they will be doing an advertisement.
05:04 They will be doing an image funk,
05:08 they will be doing a post on TAPS.
05:10 It's finally happening.
05:11 Let's go to TAPS on February 14,
05:15 10am for the soft opening.
05:18 You can do that.
05:19 You can do a date.
05:21 Entrance is still 100 pesos.
05:23 Memories are unlimited.
05:26 Unlimited.
05:27 You just have to send a message with the number
05:29 and at the same time, there's an email address.
05:32 Follow us, and so on.
05:34 Now, on February 15,
05:37 there will be a group of friends
05:40 from TAPS,
05:41 from Experience,
05:42 they are...
05:44 Ramos?
05:45 Beverly Ramos.
05:46 Those are their friends.
05:48 Now, the entrance fee is 200 pesos.
05:51 I think the entrance is 100 pesos.
05:53 100 pesos is shuttle from IT Park
05:58 to TAPS.
06:02 It's already collected.
06:04 It's already collected,
06:05 that means you're sure that you're in the shuttle
06:08 for the third time.
06:10 So, Beverly and the others will arrive here at TAPS by 11.30.
06:15 An hour after, or an hour and a half,
06:18 they'll be caught.
06:19 So, they'll be arrested and taken to the police station.
06:22 At that time, there are more police officers.
06:24 They're not just here.
06:25 They're not just here.
06:26 Because there's a different advertisement
06:29 on social media.
06:30 So, the question is,
06:31 if you're like me,
06:32 they're already here,
06:34 but the new TAPS,
06:36 the renovated,
06:37 the new offerings at TAPS.
06:39 So,
06:40 they're already here.
06:42 And what's the point of them being caught?
06:47 They're already here at 3.30.
06:49 The bus hasn't arrived yet.
06:51 They should've arrived at IT Park.
06:56 But they arrived at Buntag at 7.00.
06:59 They were rescued here.
07:01 Not even by the bus of TAPS,
07:04 but by the barangay.
07:06 Is this barangay?
07:07 Yes, this is the police station.
07:08 This is the police station where they were rescued.
07:10 Panahog sa Ubus.
07:11 And then,
07:12 it rained at that time.
07:15 So, the people here were wet.
07:17 The sentiment of the people here,
07:21 or I think the people here,
07:23 at first, they wanted to refund.
07:26 But they refused to refund
07:28 because there was no management.
07:29 It was closed.
07:30 But the question is,
07:31 if they were refunded,
07:32 they might have been.
07:33 Correct.
07:34 Now, the issue now is,
07:36 our lifestyle team,
07:38 when I saw this post,
07:40 should TAPS consider limiting the number of guests?
07:46 Because after that day,
07:48 the crowd was so big.
07:50 Yes.
07:51 So, there's really,
07:52 I can say that
07:54 there's no exception
07:55 to the number of transport systems
07:57 that were used by the children.
07:59 Now,
08:01 our lifestyle team posted this
08:06 to get sentiment.
08:08 But, Riza,
08:09 what is the proof of soft opening?
08:12 What is the proof of soft opening?
08:15 Because soft opening is...
08:16 What is the proof of soft opening?
08:19 It's not just work.
08:21 So, it's not just talking.
08:23 What is the proof of soft opening?
08:28 What is the proof of soft opening?
08:31 Soft opening in Higala,
08:34 I hope this is my description.
08:36 So, first,
08:37 soft opening,
08:39 I'm not saying that
08:40 it's complete,
08:41 that they have all the amenities
08:43 to work.
08:44 But, I think,
08:46 there's like
08:48 10% that are already there.
08:51 So, they can visit.
08:52 They're still continuing.
08:54 Don't look for it now.
08:55 There are some stalls
09:00 that are still vacant.
09:03 Although, there are other places
09:05 that are still open.
09:06 According to some,
09:07 there are food outlets.
09:10 But, it's a big area.
09:12 There's still a lot of space.
09:14 So, probably,
09:15 something will be occupied.
09:17 So, first,
09:18 soft opening,
09:20 I think,
09:21 80% to 90% or 90% up.
09:24 The meaning of soft opening
09:26 or soft launch
09:28 is a preview release of a product
09:30 or service
09:31 to a limited audience
09:33 prior to the general public.
09:36 Soft launching a product
09:37 is sometimes used to gather data
09:40 or customer feedback
09:41 prior to making it widely available
09:44 during an official release
09:46 to grand opening.
09:48 So, it's like a follow-up.
09:50 A follow-up.
09:51 But, what you see on the top,
09:53 that's not a soft opening.
09:55 It's public.
09:56 This is public opening.
09:58 They open it to the general public.
10:00 It's like a telegram.
10:02 So, you can see
10:03 that in some places,
10:06 in some invitations,
10:09 the entrance fee is still 100 pesos.
10:12 You message for further inquiries
10:16 and you get an email.
10:18 They have that.
10:20 But, the discussion
10:24 that's happening here
10:26 is what you're going to say.
10:31 What's your reaction to people
10:33 who are complaining.
10:37 If you get a car,
10:38 "Oh, they're complaining."
10:39 I don't think that's the argument there.
10:42 Because even if the tops invite,
10:44 they complain.
10:46 What you see,
10:47 it's simple,
10:48 it's the opposite of the problem.
10:49 The contract doesn't go to the tops.
10:51 It's a breach of contract.
10:53 It's like this,
10:54 the contract doesn't go to the tops.
10:55 The contract is to get them on the bus
10:58 for 200 pesos.
10:59 It's a breach of contract.
11:01 There will be an unwritten contract
11:03 once you ride or whatever transportation
11:06 you offer.
11:07 There's a lot of public utilities
11:09 because you're not yet paid.
11:11 Meaning, if you're not paid,
11:13 that's the start of an unwritten contract
11:17 that goes to the destination
11:19 of the route.
11:20 In this case,
11:21 they're paying back and forth.
11:24 You're paying this amount back and forth.
11:27 So there's no contract.
11:29 And I mentioned "contract"
11:31 because there's no written
11:33 when you're in the transportation
11:35 or public conveyance.
11:37 So it's like this.
11:39 It's called a breach of contract.
11:43 So you're not denying them.
11:45 The problem is,
11:47 because of social media,
11:49 there are more reactions.
11:51 But the tops don't have this.
11:53 If you email the management
11:55 of the tops,
11:56 they'll be able to correct
11:58 their reaction.
12:01 People are making fun of you.
12:05 You're complaining
12:07 like you're a poor person.
12:09 They're not doing it on purpose.
12:11 You're legitimate
12:13 and you're not concerned.
12:15 It's simple.
12:17 You have to be accountable
12:19 in your business.
12:21 In the sense,
12:23 you're paying for the entrance
12:25 and shuttle.
12:27 So naturally,
12:29 you're the one
12:31 who's accommodating.
12:33 Maybe there was a miscommunication
12:35 with the driver
12:37 and the staff.
12:39 But the whole time,
12:41 you're the one
12:43 who's accommodating.
12:45 So the comments you're making,
12:47 it's like Beverly,
12:49 she posted something
12:51 in her Instagram.
12:53 It's like,
12:55 to the extent that
12:57 you're complaining,
12:59 that's your work.
13:01 I'm not.
13:03 I'm not making comments
13:05 about dating.
13:07 It's illegal to date.
13:09 It's not illegal to date.
13:11 It's post-Valentine's Day.
13:13 It's not.
13:15 It's not like
13:17 they're advertising
13:19 that you can date.
13:21 It's not like that.
13:23 It's not like that.
13:25 You're hypocritical.
13:27 What's the big deal?
13:29 If they're in a relationship,
13:31 it's already illegal.
13:33 It's not illegal.
13:35 If you're a person
13:37 who visits these people,
13:39 they can afford it.
13:41 The issue is,
13:43 they don't have the money
13:45 to pay the bar
13:47 and their business.
13:49 They don't have money.
13:51 The demand for accountability
13:53 or apology,
13:55 the apology that's made
13:57 in the newspapers and social media,
13:59 they're apologizing.
14:01 The apology was not for what happened to Beverly.
14:03 The apology was
14:05 for the fact that
14:07 they didn't have enough
14:09 TAPS to JY service.
14:11 They didn't have enough buses
14:13 to get from
14:15 IT Park to TAPS.
14:17 TAPS didn't respond
14:19 to the issue.
14:21 That's right.
14:23 You said that
14:25 it's an old place,
14:27 but it's still new.
14:29 I think
14:31 we should say goodbye to the old place.
14:33 It's a service.
14:35 It's like
14:37 the people there
14:39 are negative.
14:41 They didn't respond
14:43 to TAPS when there was a problem.
14:45 Hopefully,
14:47 we're waiting for
14:49 the management of TAPS
14:51 to solve the issue.
14:53 Beverly's concern
14:55 is that
14:57 first, they're giving a refund.
14:59 I think it's not a refund.
15:01 You're owning the
15:03 accountability for the
15:05 safety of the
15:07 goers. They're in your property.
15:09 They're getting a refund at that time.
15:11 It's okay.
15:13 IT, what other
15:15 measures are you taking?
15:17 It's like,
15:19 there's no leaving.
15:21 Whatever happens,
15:23 I'm sure it won't happen again.
15:25 It's like,
15:27 design in Singapore,
15:29 the services
15:31 are not good.
15:33 It's like,
15:35 it's like soft opening.
15:37 You're right.
15:39 These are part of
15:41 the operations.
15:43 I think
15:45 what's more
15:47 important in this story is because
15:49 the admittance,
15:51 we will improve on this.
15:53 We'll improve on this.
15:55 We'll do more.
15:57 It's like a message.
15:59 It's like a scene zone.
16:01 Don't be angry.
16:03 Don't be like that.
16:05 It's like,
16:07 it's very questionable
16:09 attitude of
16:11 management.
16:13 It's like,
16:15 they're leaving.
16:17 If you,
16:19 Carmela and
16:21 Breda are right.
16:23 Ronald Lopez
16:25 disagrees that guests are limited.
16:27 But what we're doing is
16:29 for top management
16:31 to accommodate the goers
16:33 who are customer service
16:35 and at the same time address
16:37 the customer's concerns.
16:39 The one who gave up is bitter.
16:41 Correct.
16:43 I'm not dating
16:45 my mom. I'm not dating my son.
16:47 They're the one who gave up
16:49 on dating.
16:51 They came up with the idea
16:53 to date here.
16:55 But actually,
16:57 it's not like that.
16:59 I think it's
17:01 a good thing.
17:03 I know of some
17:05 colleagues
17:07 who came here
17:09 to see you.
17:11 Their media is different.
17:13 But their group came here
17:15 just to see
17:17 sunrise.
17:19 When they came here,
17:21 they saw a white sunrise.
17:23 They also saw
17:25 a deer.
17:27 So they came here.
17:29 So this is a good place
17:31 because it would help
17:33 tourism
17:35 to increase.
17:37 So we have time
17:39 and I don't have any other partner.
17:41 No, no. This is not...
17:43 This discussion is not something
17:45 we want to put tops.
17:47 In the bad light.
17:49 This is pride.
17:51 We want it to be
17:53 good so
17:55 more people can appreciate.
17:57 It's like
17:59 a to-visit list if I'm in Cebu.
18:01 It's on the bucket list.
18:03 Yes, on the bucket list.
18:05 For now, if there are problems,
18:07 it's better to be responsive
18:09 to the management.
18:11 It's not like you can just
18:13 put this. No. We have to be responsive
18:15 to the times. Or else,
18:17 if this reputation of social media
18:19 was called word of mouth
18:21 before, now it's social media.
18:23 Social media is dead.
18:25 Right? If there's just too much
18:27 negative about it, what now?
18:29 Okay. This is what I want to say.
18:31 This is pride in Cebu.
18:33 This is award-wing.
18:35 In our posts and episodes
18:37 of broadcast, there's a lot of following.
18:39 There are a lot of discussions.
18:41 There are a lot of comments.
18:43 I want to say, I believe there's
18:45 a good thing.
18:47 There's a good thing.
18:49 There's a discussion.
18:51 We're calling the management.
18:53 The main thing for our
18:55 lifestyle team is
18:57 to limit
18:59 the number of guests.
19:01 Actually,
19:03 the problem is they don't want
19:05 to limit. They just respond
19:07 to the visitors.
19:09 It's just the customer
19:11 service that improves.
19:13 I think,
19:15 aside from
19:17 ensuring
19:19 the shuttle,
19:21 maybe you should
19:23 coordinate with
19:25 barangay or traffic management
19:27 so it won't congest.
19:29 There will be more buses.
19:31 Going there, the safety
19:33 is improved.
19:35 When you go to
19:37 a place like Busay,
19:39 barangay, towards the tops,
19:41 it's always there.
19:43 It's not at night.
19:45 It's not at sunrise.
19:47 They close at 1am.
19:49 That's why
19:51 the management
19:53 at the tops should respond
19:55 to finally address this.
19:57 So it won't congest.
19:59 It's not that they don't want to.
20:01 Those who were
20:03 affected by the crisis on February 15,
20:05 they just
20:07 wanted to know,
20:09 "What is the tops management
20:11 about?"
20:13 Shoutout
20:15 to Joe Malinao
20:17 who is here today.
20:19 Hi, Sir Joe.
20:21 Ronald Lopez
20:23 supports the tops,
20:25 but he's not
20:27 willing to talk to
20:29 the customer service.
20:31 We are here
20:33 to support
20:35 Bisdak.
20:37 We are here to support
20:39 the tops.
20:41 They know that there are
20:43 places that are affected.
20:45 It's not just about improving.
20:47 It's about improving.
20:49 They have
20:51 glitches.
20:53 The top management
20:55 should address them.
20:57 So they can
20:59 tell the public
21:01 how to address the scene zone.
21:03 It's not that they don't want to.
21:05 At least it's been a while.
21:07 It's been a while since it happened.
21:09 But at least it's an assurance
21:11 to the...
21:13 The...
21:15 The top management
21:17 who is responsible
21:19 for the situation.
21:21 That's right.
21:23 Good afternoon,
21:25 Albert the Wanderer.
21:27 He knows.
21:29 Okay.
21:31 Our next guest
21:33 is Father Brigoli.
21:35 He's the one who started
21:37 this whole thing.
21:39 He's the one who
21:41 helped the top
21:43 in Skywalk.
21:45 He's from CNU
21:47 and Abiliana National High School.
21:49 Skywalk.
21:51 In Minibolivar.
21:53 It's down the bridge.
21:55 It's DOH.
21:57 It's already clean.
21:59 We have a video of it.
22:01 It's a video of the CNU
22:03 who went across the street
22:05 to the Abiliana National High School.
22:07 You can see it
22:09 in this video
22:11 that they're removing
22:13 the top and cleaning it.
22:15 For now, it's still partially
22:17 clean.
22:19 But once they removed
22:21 the flooring,
22:23 it's already destroyed.
22:25 So this...
22:27 This was destroyed yesterday.
22:29 This was the
22:31 advisory
22:33 to the RMA
22:35 on the re-routing.
22:37 But
22:39 the slabs
22:41 that were built
22:43 by the City
22:45 Councilor Jerry Guardo
22:47 were the footbridges
22:49 that were built
22:51 determined...
22:53 If it is determined
22:55 that the dismantled parts of the Skywalk,
22:57 particularly the slabs,
22:59 are no longer viable for use.
23:01 I'm not sure if it's true.
23:03 Jerry Guardo was interviewed
23:05 by a reporter.
23:07 The Skywalk
23:09 was not viable.
23:11 They built
23:13 probably interior parts
23:15 of the blocks.
23:17 Guardo said that there are options
23:19 to build infrastructure
23:21 that the slabs
23:23 that were recovered
23:25 were used as footbridges.
23:27 But anyway,
23:29 they were used as footbridges.
23:31 Footbridges.
23:33 They were used as footbridges.
23:35 And the other
23:37 is to build footbridges
23:39 out of new materials.
23:41 Guardo reiterated that
23:43 the slabs are intended to be used
23:45 as footbridges. But this is subject
23:47 to evaluation and assessment
23:49 for its structural
23:51 integrity.
23:53 Guardo also said
23:55 that the slabs were not yet
23:57 evaluated or assessed
23:59 by structural engineers at the present moment
24:01 because the focus is the removal
24:03 of the other Skywalk.
24:05 His dismantled slabs
24:07 were stored in the junkyard
24:09 in the warehouse
24:11 of Cebu City Engineering District
24:13 with the SRP.
24:15 They are kept because they are subject to the post-audit
24:17 evaluation of GOA.
24:19 Currently, the process is
24:21 that the roofs
24:23 are cut
24:25 as part of the dismantling process.
24:27 So, they are not removed.
24:29 They are just kept
24:31 as footbridges
24:33 that can be used in the area.
24:35 Now, on the part
24:37 of the contractor, a full disclosure
24:39 was requested
24:41 that the city government has
24:43 discussed about the inconvenience this may cause to the public.
24:45 Guardo said there's a push
24:47 to start dismantling
24:49 by February 22, saying they recommend
24:51 that the full closure be implemented
24:53 this Sunday, February 23-25
24:55 for the entire day.
24:57 The weekends
24:59 are preferable
25:01 as the work would cause less inconvenience
25:03 due to reduced
25:05 public presence.
25:07 So, watch out
25:09 this weekend
25:11 that the road will be fully closed.
25:13 Right?
25:15 Based on the main
25:17 structure of the
25:19 skywalk.
25:21 Yes, Ronald
25:23 said that
25:25 the skywalk
25:27 will be disassembled
25:29 and the railings
25:31 will be removed.
25:33 They won't be able to use the cement again.
25:35 This is subject to
25:37 assessment of structural engineers.
25:39 Ronald, right?
25:41 They will only be able to renovate, upgrade, and modify
25:43 the existing skywalks.
25:45 This is what Ronald said.
25:47 In designing,
25:49 he's back in his role as a robot.
25:51 In designing,
25:53 he's AI.
25:55 In designing the stage,
25:57 the skywalk will be re-existing.
25:59 What engineers
26:01 haven't seen is that
26:03 the design of the skywalk
26:05 must be harmonized.
26:07 It must be structurally sound.
26:09 If they're able to
26:11 remove
26:13 the cost
26:15 of the additional
26:17 cost,
26:19 where will the additional cost
26:21 or the demolition
26:23 of the skywalk be?
26:25 That's what he said.
26:27 Second, the height of the bus.
26:29 How can they raise the bus
26:31 from the skywalk?
26:33 How can they not get a bus
26:35 that is passable by the skywalk?
26:37 The bus will be moving
26:39 the skywalk.
26:41 Oh my God!
26:43 The bus will be moving
26:45 the skywalk.
26:47 The skywalk will be affected.
26:49 In the south,
26:51 the skywalk will be the aircon.
26:53 In the north,
26:55 the skywalk will be the aircon.
26:57 I'm just saying what I heard.
26:59 Yes, I agree that
27:01 some skywalks are not used.
27:03 There are no more problems with skywalks.
27:05 People have problems
27:07 with how they use them.
27:09 They provide them
27:11 for their safety.
27:13 If they don't use them,
27:15 they will have to build
27:17 an elevator to go up.
27:19 I don't know
27:21 if you agree with me.
27:23 It's the opposite.
27:25 Yes, that's right.
27:27 You saw it.
27:29 This is the only
27:31 problem that we have
27:33 in the first package.
27:35 We have not
27:37 solved it in the second package
27:39 because they have to work.
27:41 Engineers,
27:43 consider the skywalk
27:45 as a toy.
27:47 Whether
27:49 they use it for people or not,
27:51 it's a room.
27:53 They don't have to donate it.
27:55 They don't have to pay for it.
27:57 It's a room for people.
27:59 It's a million-dollar room.
28:01 It's a service room.
28:03 But they have to build it.
28:05 It's appealing to design
28:07 because it's not a room.
28:09 That's what I'm saying.
28:11 It's a journey
28:13 for the
28:15 BRT project in Cebu.
28:17 It's a long journey.
28:19 There are many challenges.
28:23 But we have to avoid them.
28:25 We can't just
28:27 steal.
28:29 Yes.
28:31 I think
28:33 the BRT project
28:35 is a
28:37 good opportunity for
28:39 modernization of transportation
28:41 and mass transit.
28:43 It's not only for traffic
28:45 but also for
28:47 more vehicles.
28:49 60-70% or
28:51 80% of the people
28:53 convey daily
28:55 during weekdays
28:57 to work or business.
28:59 60-70%
29:01 That is the assumption.
29:03 Yes.
29:05 Modern jeeps don't have that.
29:07 Yes.
29:09 There are modern jeeps.
29:11 There are cheaper ones.
29:13 But there are also cheaper ones.
29:15 I'm just assuming that 60-70%
29:17 of the people use them.
29:19 But if it's cheaper than modern jeeps,
29:21 what will you do?
29:23 You have to count the rides.
29:25 I thought
29:27 before, I had a misconception
29:29 that
29:31 we are talking about traffic
29:33 and not about
29:35 mass transit.
29:37 Before, I thought
29:39 if you ride from the end
29:41 to the south,
29:43 you can go straight to the
29:45 north.
29:47 There are no terminals
29:49 to ride from.
29:51 It's not possible.
29:53 The question is
29:55 how many rides can you find?
29:57 Before,
29:59 until now,
30:01 there is no
30:03 transport route.
30:05 LPTRP.
30:07 If you take the train,
30:09 you go to the south,
30:11 you can go straight to the north.
30:13 If you take the train,
30:15 you can go to the south.
30:17 If you take the train,
30:19 you can go to the north.
30:21 There are no terminals.
30:23 You have to transfer.
30:25 You have to pay for the ticket.
30:27 Anyway,
30:29 it's a good situation.
30:31 It's true that there are stories
30:33 that they can't go far.
30:35 But we have to watch out
30:37 so that they don't get lost.
30:39 The problems with the package 1
30:41 are not going to be fixed.
30:43 The packages are higher,
30:45 more expensive, and more effects.
30:47 It's going to be
30:49 fixed
30:51 with panels.
30:53 What is the importance
30:55 of the pulpit panels?
30:57 What does it represent?
30:59 We have Father Brigoli.
31:03 Father Brigoli
31:05 is the chairman
31:07 of the Commission on Cultural Heritage
31:09 in the Archdiocese of Cebu.
31:11 He is the right person
31:13 to ask
31:15 about the
31:17 issues in the Church.
31:21 I know that this is not
31:23 a joke.
31:25 Hello!
31:27 Good noon, Father Brigoli!
31:29 Yes,
31:31 good afternoon.
31:33 Father, thank you
31:35 for answering my call.
31:37 My first question is
31:39 how important
31:41 are these panels
31:43 to the Church
31:45 and to Cebu?
31:47 Okay,
31:49 the panels
31:51 are actually
31:53 different levels of significance.
31:55 Yes.
31:57 These are values
31:59 inherited through the items
32:01 and meaning as well
32:03 that offers identity
32:05 and could be a vessel of
32:07 pride to the locality.
32:09 The first is the historicity
32:11 of the panels.
32:13 They can be placed as to
32:15 the construction of the
32:17 Church.
32:19 This is part of the tangible
32:21 and livable heritage
32:23 and symbol of the
32:25 whole Burgoon heritage
32:27 complex.
32:29 The Church's heritage
32:31 is the country's heritage.
32:33 The Church
32:35 has these panels
32:37 that are
32:39 the symbol of the Church.
32:41 The second
32:43 significance could be
32:45 the religiosity and the theology
32:47 of the panels.
32:49 Since the panels
32:51 are integral to the
32:53 iconographic program
32:55 to the Ambo.
32:57 This Ambo is the place where the Word of God
32:59 is being preached,
33:01 where sermons are also being preached.
33:03 This is the teaching
33:05 faculty of the Church.
33:07 And the frontals,
33:09 usually the frontals
33:11 of the Ambo
33:13 are the religious groups.
33:15 The Burgoon community
33:17 is having panels on
33:19 doctors of the Church.
33:21 Doctors of the Church are
33:23 doctors in a way
33:25 declared by the Church
33:27 whose
33:29 teachings are very important for
33:31 the understanding of divine truths
33:33 or teachings
33:35 that could progress our
33:37 life of holiness
33:39 and our way of
33:41 living Christ.
33:43 That's the doctors of the Church's panels.
33:45 Other Ambo
33:47 could also be using
33:49 frontals in their
33:51 panels. Something to do with
33:53 the Holy Spirit because the Word of God
33:55 is an inspired Word of God
33:57 using the instrumentality
33:59 of human
34:01 writers
34:03 or sacred
34:05 writers but by the Word of God.
34:07 Sometimes
34:09 there are panels
34:11 like the book that
34:13 depicts the Holy Bible
34:15 to the written
34:17 revelation of
34:19 God.
34:21 That's the thing, that's the theological
34:23 and
34:25 religious
34:27 aspect of the significance
34:29 of the panels.
34:31 Thirdly,
34:33 it has a very strong
34:35 social
34:37 significance.
34:39 According to Lavinas Caruno,
34:41 the paradigm of
34:43 heritage is no longer
34:45 coming from the
34:47 juries or from the administrators
34:49 but it's really coming from
34:51 the people, from the stakeholders
34:53 actually who quote very
34:55 well on this
34:57 fight for the Bolog Panels are actually
34:59 from the people from Bologo.
35:01 It has a very strong
35:03 social significance
35:05 where memories are
35:07 being remembered
35:09 or being celebrated.
35:11 There are many
35:13 people in Bologo who are rich.
35:15 We can relate
35:17 to them.
35:19 They are living memories
35:21 on the panels,
35:23 on the panels.
35:25 For me, the layers
35:27 of significance
35:29 that dictate the very important
35:31 stuff of the panels
35:33 in Bologo.
35:35 Father, this is Dodong.
35:37 I just want to ask
35:39 how did you come to
35:41 believe in the panels
35:43 in Bologo?
35:45 I'm not a big fan of the panels.
35:47 I'm just a fan.
35:49 Father, how did you
35:51 come to believe
35:53 in the panels in Bologo?
35:55 It's been a long time.
35:57 It's been a long time.
35:59 1980s.
36:01 It's been a long time.
36:03 It's been a long time.
36:05 It's been a long time.
36:07 I didn't ask
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43:01 In fact,
43:03 this is one of the destinations
43:05 that I want to show you.
43:07 Aside from the heritage area,
43:09 I forgot about this.
43:11 I forgot about this.
43:13 I want to ask you, Father,
43:15 I want to ask you, Father,
43:17 about the panels that you have created
43:19 about the panels that you have created
43:21 for the assessment.
43:23 For the assessment.
43:25 Inventory.
43:27 Inventory.
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50:29 Father it is clear that the turnover is at the museum.
50:35 It is not the owner's fault.
50:38 This is the loan.
50:39 This is the loan that was taken, it was taken, it was brought to the museum.
50:44 Do you have, in Balaod, I am curious in Balaod,
50:49 since you are the one taking care of the front of the church,
50:53 if anybody can, if you can replace the loan that was taken,
50:59 anti-fencing?
51:00 Yes, anti-fencing.
51:04 So what is your opinion on this?
51:05 Anti-fencing?
51:06 Yes.
51:07 I am assured of the public that took care of this.
51:12 First, the loan was taken,
51:15 it was not taken at the time that there was a law,
51:18 since there was no heritage law at the time in the 1980s,
51:23 but there is no law that the goods cannot be taken from the church
51:32 without permission of the local ordinary or without permission of the Holy Father.
51:37 Now, if you are the one who took care of this,
51:42 we are the ones who took care of this, not the other churches that took care of this.
51:49 If we are the ones who took care of this,
51:52 we should be the ones who took care of this,
51:54 regardless of who took care of this.
51:57 Now, we should be the ones who took care of this,
52:01 we should be the ones who took care of this,
52:03 we should be the ones who took care of this.
52:05 But that is also the responsibility of the collectors,
52:08 the witnesses and the provenance.
52:11 Correct.
52:12 If they are the ones who took care of this,
52:16 they should be the ones who took care of this, not the other churches.
52:21 Talking about this, Father,
52:23 what is your call to the collectors,
52:27 to the other goods in the church,
52:30 if they are the ones who took care of this,
52:33 who will take care of this?
52:35 What is your call to them?
52:38 If they are the ones who took care of this,
52:41 they should be the ones who took care of this.
52:43 If they are the ones who took care of this,
52:45 they should be the ones who took care of this.
52:48 What I am saying is,
52:50 when it comes to religious items,
52:53 if you have them,
52:55 or if you have them in your possession,
52:57 again, in your conscience,
52:59 if they are the ones who took care of this,
53:01 it is our moral responsibility.
53:03 If they are the ones who took care of this,
53:05 they should be the ones who took care of this.
53:08 It is our moral responsibility.
53:10 If they are the ones who took care of this,
53:12 again, in your conscience,
53:14 it is our moral responsibility.
53:16 If they are the ones who took care of this,
53:18 it is our moral responsibility.
53:20 If they are the ones who took care of this,
53:22 again, in your conscience,
53:24 it is our moral responsibility.
53:26 If they are the ones who took care of this,
53:28 again, in your conscience,
53:30 it is our moral responsibility.
53:32 In some cases, I think this is just a good example
53:35 of how empowered now the people,
53:37 when it comes to cultural assets,
53:39 to cultural heritage awareness,
53:42 that maybe other collectors will be affected,
53:45 or those who collect dubious products.
53:50 I am dubious, but of course,
53:53 I am not going to believe you.
53:55 (laughter)
53:57 Brother...
53:59 (speaking in Tagalog)
54:19 Father,
54:21 (speaking in Tagalog)
54:26 What do you think?
54:29 To give legislation specific on this,
54:33 (speaking in Tagalog)
54:37 There are religious items that are really owned by the church,
54:40 that's personal.
54:42 I am a family father, personally.
54:44 (speaking in Tagalog)
54:48 But that's personal.
54:50 (speaking in Tagalog)
54:52 So, to caution the collectors,
54:55 if ever they are going to visit,
54:58 ask them, "What do you think?"
55:00 That's where the specific is.
55:02 It needs legislation to revisit this.
55:06 (speaking in Tagalog)
55:10 This could be a very good...
55:12 (speaking in Tagalog)
55:15 Later on in our struggle to protect
55:19 (speaking in Tagalog)
55:24 history in Christianity in Cebu.
55:28 (speaking in Tagalog)
55:33 Collectors,
55:35 (speaking in Tagalog)
55:38 Supposedly, it's for the church, Father.
55:41 (speaking in Tagalog)
55:44 (speaking in Tagalog)
55:49 During my early years,
55:51 in my work in the cultural heritage of the church,
55:54 (speaking in Tagalog)
55:56 But this is a fact.
55:58 (speaking in Tagalog)
56:04 Well documented.
56:06 (speaking in Tagalog)
56:08 This is the crucifix in the Campo Santo
56:12 in the parish of Argao.
56:14 (speaking in Tagalog)
56:25 (speaking in Tagalog)
56:31 (speaking in Tagalog)
56:37 I'm still a student of Masters in Cultural Heritage at the time.
56:41 (speaking in Tagalog)
56:44 My awareness in good faith,
56:46 (speaking in Tagalog)
56:49 This is a cemetery,
56:51 the Campo Santo in the parish of Argao.
56:54 Up to now, it's still in the possession of the parish.
56:58 That's a good gesture of God.
57:01 Father, (speaking in Tagalog)
57:04 (speaking in Tagalog)
57:12 (speaking in Tagalog)
57:18 (speaking in Tagalog)
57:29 (speaking in Tagalog)
57:42 Father, thank you.
57:44 (speaking in Tagalog)
57:48 Father, (speaking in Tagalog)
57:52 (speaking in Tagalog)
57:54 (speaking in Tagalog)
57:59 Okay, Father Brian Brigoli, (speaking in Tagalog)
58:02 (speaking in Tagalog)
58:04 Okay.
58:05 (speaking in Tagalog)
58:13 (speaking in Tagalog)
58:21 (speaking in Tagalog)
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