Portsmouth port is expected to change dramatically as new physical checks are being introduced
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00:00 So Mike, can you give us your overall thoughts on the BCP as things stand?
00:05 Okay, so where we're standing now, we're in the plant inspection rooms. This
00:11 border control post was built two years ago, ready for the border checks, all part
00:18 of the government's plans as we left the EU. Now initially that was built under
00:24 something called the border operating model, based on a number or percentage of
00:29 checks of food products coming into the UK. So this facility here is huge, it
00:35 takes up two acres of land, we've got 14 bays, we've got 20 odd
00:41 chambers, but where we are now is we're heading towards the end of
00:49 April when the actual physical checks will start to happen on food products.
00:54 And that's under a border target operating model, a change in the
00:58 government policy of how they would carry out food inspections and target
01:04 the medium to high risk products. So in this area, we're at the low risk area, the
01:10 plant products, and behind me, all of those chambers that you can see behind me are not in use and will not be used under these new changes.
01:20 It seems that the port followed direction of the government a while back under a different parameters.
01:23 Those parameters have now been changed. It was mentioned as we were wandering around
01:27 that the building was primed for about 50 vehicle checks or so on an average.
01:32 Now they've been reduced to maybe about in the single digits. Can you give us
01:37 your thoughts on that, of where does the port go from here since a lot of
01:41 this building simply isn't going to be used to capacity? So it's been hugely
01:46 frustrating, it's been hugely challenging to deal with the
01:51 various changes that have happened to the policy and those checks that are
01:55 going to happen. You're right, we built this for quite a large number of checks.
02:01 We're the second largest cross-channel port, we have more destinations to Europe,
02:05 so you name it, food products wise, that comes into this port. And because of that,
02:10 we built two, in good faith, two of the government's plans, a huge facility
02:16 taken up to England land. Now what it means for us is we will be using half of
02:24 this facility based on its design for the checks from the end of April. Had we
02:29 have started from fresh under the plans for the border target operator model, we
02:33 would have built something even smaller than that. We probably only used
02:38 five, six bays and up to ten chambers for the amount of
02:44 inspections that were inspected. Now what that means for us is we have to plan for
02:50 the future, we have to think about what will happen with this facility. Now what
02:54 the Cabinet Office, the government, have done is they've given ports, including
02:58 Portsmouth, the ability to try and minimize that impact by using part of
03:03 the building for commercial purposes. The challenge we've got is, as you can see,
03:08 this is highly bespoke, it's been built specifically for those inspections, so
03:14 any use of commercial purposes means a complete change to this building.
03:19 In a general election year when things may change and we
03:26 don't know what the future is with regards to the reciprocal, potential
03:30 reciprocal agreements for Europe, it's too soon to make those changes.
03:36 So Gerald, we've just gone through the border control post here, we've seen the parts of
03:39 the building which are being used and which will not be. You described
03:43 it as a white elephant previously, do you believe that still be the case?
03:46 Absolutely, it happens to be painted black but it is a white elephant. It was built
03:52 exactly as the government told us to build it but now they've said we don't
03:56 need to use most of it and most of it's going to remain empty. Complete waste
04:01 of money and if they'd pay for it all, fine, but they didn't. They expected
04:05 council taxpayers here in Portsmouth to find seven million pounds towards this
04:09 and yet we're not going to be using most of this building. It's a total mess.
04:14 How does it make you feel that the cost of the taxpayer will continue in the years
04:17 to come because obviously the operating costs of this building are going to go away?
04:20 No, absolutely and it's a tax on the people of Portsmouth. It's
04:25 unnecessary. We operated for many years without needing any of these checks. Why
04:31 do we really need them? If the government say they should happen then the
04:36 government should be picking up the bill. The uncertainty is also going to
04:40 continue because after speaking to Mike he said that plans to actually repurpose
04:45 parts of the building that can't be used, there's uncertainty around that because
04:49 the government haven't set out exactly what's going to happen and they
04:53 won't give us permission to reuse this land and actually it could be reused for
04:58 something productive to bring trade into Portsmouth and money into the port and
05:02 yet the government won't let us do it. It is a mess of indecision
05:07 and bad decisions all the way through from government over the last few years.
05:12 So the border control post has been described by many as a wise elephant and
05:16 the cost of the ports of taxpayer is set to continue. It will cost £800,000
05:20 for this building just to be maintained and up and running and several parts of
05:24 the building are not being used. There are concerns going forward that this will have a
05:28 major impact on the ports finances and following from that it will also have a
05:32 massive impact on the council's local authority funding as a whole. The port
05:38 directors are struggling how they're going to plan for the future of this
05:40 building so all of that is up in the air.
05:43 Freddie Webb, Ports of Muse, Portsmouth International Port.
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