"Aj hum Is Haal main Pohanch Gaye kay Hamare Judge Insaf Mang Rahe Hain tou Ham Log kahan Jayein"
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"Aj hum Is Haal main Pohanch Gaye kay Hamare Judge Insaf Mang Rahe Hain tou Ham Log kahan Jayein" Law Expert Abid Zuberi
"Aj hum Is Haal main Pohanch Gaye kay Hamare Judge Insaf Mang Rahe Hain tou Ham Log kahan Jayein" Law Expert Abid Zuberi
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00:00 Mr. Jumaini, because the respected judges have also said that we do not have a code for how the judge should respond to this pressure.
00:10 How can the judge prove this? Because you have threatened me. How can I prove that you have threatened me?
00:18 This decision should have been made during the era of Justice Siddiqui.
00:21 At that time, Mr. Saqib Musar was in a hurry.
00:24 If that decision had been made, I think it would not have been referenced today and the matter would not have gone to this extent.
00:30 Now, will the judge deal with this individually or institutionally? Mr. Zubairi, you have raised very important questions.
00:36 Now, everyone is waiting for the announcement, but the six judges have made a very big deal.
00:41 In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
00:44 Look, today is a very bad day for this country.
00:49 The letter that has come to the public today, there are four sheets against us, the system that is running here.
00:56 And the way this interference is happening in every institution, you saw the election,
01:00 we know that these things are happening in the judiciary, but I did not know that it was happening to this extent.
01:08 Today, we have reached the point where our judges are asking for justice.
01:12 So where will we go, you and I?
01:14 Sir, you are saying that this is a bad day, but I think it is a good day.
01:19 Now these problems are coming up, people are talking openly, the system has come to the point where everyone is saying that these are the problems, they have to be solved.
01:25 If this opportunity has come out, then it has come out.
01:28 In the sense that our judicial interference, our judicial independence and the judiciary that we had,
01:34 that our judiciary is independent, it is over, sir.
01:37 Because today, we have been accused from top to bottom that our judiciary is not independent,
01:42 it is done in the judiciary, the judiciary is independent, and the decision and faith and the law that they have taken,
01:49 if they go to decide on it, then their brothers, mothers, daughters, children, siblings,
01:54 everyone is given an elected source, and their things are taken out.
01:57 Sir, we all knew these things, but we have come to know the extent today.
02:01 My salute to these six judges, sir, and this is not confined to there,
02:05 this is the state of the judges of the High Court, who are constitutional protected,
02:09 and the district judiciary that they have talked about,
02:12 and on which Chief Justice Islamabad has given a High Court,
02:15 they have written letters and asked to hold a full court meeting, that has not been done.
02:18 These are not the words of the division, this is the talk of the institution,
02:22 that the situation of the institution has been done by doing interference,
02:27 and the people who are involved with them, they should also be held accountable,
02:32 that the people who become their facilitators in this, that these six judges have written a statement,
02:37 and we are some of the members of Pakistan Bar, you are right,
02:42 we have written a letter to our Vice Chairman,
02:45 that you have called for a meeting on 5th April, or call for a meeting of the entire Pakistan Bar,
02:51 so that this matter is brought up earlier, so that there is a debate on it.
02:54 Sir, till 5th April, I don't know where Pakistan will go from, where the issue will go from,
02:58 Pakistan Bar Council, which is the biggest council, will not vote, it will remain a big thing.
03:03 I am a member of it, but we are called a minority group there.
03:07 Today, we five or six people have sent a letter to Pakistan Bar,
03:11 that you should not call for a meeting of the entire Pakistan Executive, call for all of us,
03:15 and listen to us, give us a chance to talk, because this is a matter of all of us,
03:19 we need to unite here.
03:21 You see, today, they have sent a letter to the Chief Justice, in a wrong forum,
03:25 you said the right thing, Mr. Kashif, you said, they sent this letter to the Supreme Judicial Council,
03:31 and you said, the Code of Conduct is on the judges,
03:33 that if this is happening to us, what can we do to rectify it?
03:36 Please put an order in the Code of Conduct, because making the Code of Conduct is the job of the Supreme Judicial Council.
03:42 This is not a matter of the judge's accountability, it is about the judges' accountability.
03:46 It is about what should be the action of the judges, if this happens to them,
03:50 pressure should be put on them, pressure should be put on their relatives.
03:53 The things that are written in it, you should concentrate on that,
03:56 that instead of X, you wrote here, you wrote there, these things don't happen.
03:59 The thing should be, what is written in it, is it true?
04:02 If it is true, then you tell me, what I was saying,
04:05 that today, what is inquiry on that?
04:08 Make a commission, so this way, the Hamoodar-E-Iman Commission was there,
04:11 I have not seen its report, maybe you have seen it.
04:13 Sir, in open court, in full court, I say, justify justice.
04:17 In full court, open, sit, open hearing.
04:19 You remember, Mr. Kashif, it is not such an old thing,
04:21 Azgar Khan's case, Azgar Khan's deceased case,
04:24 that is a reported case, that is 10 years old, sir, from 2013.
04:27 In that, see, the things were pointed out,
04:30 how those things happened in the elections,
04:33 and what the intelligence agencies did, who gave money to whom,
04:36 that is a reported case in our record.
04:39 If at that time, this would have been rectified, and interference would have been stopped,
04:42 or it is the case of Sindh High Court Bar, you would have seen in that,
04:45 then today, we would not have reached this situation,
04:47 they are writing, those judges, what should they do?
04:49 They themselves are saying, we met the Chief Justice of that time,
04:52 met here, met them, met other judges,
04:55 but no one listened to them.
04:57 Today, they are writing, when their sisters are getting up,
04:59 of some judge, when they reach home,
05:02 then through their relatives, pressure is put on them,
05:05 and this is true, these are judges of the High Court,
05:08 whom we are talking about, the rest, we keep listening,
05:11 when we are talking about these politicians,
05:13 and everyone has accepted, that it is okay,
05:15 but this has to happen with them.