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00:00 All right, everyone, welcome back into another live edition of the Patriots beat podcast

00:07 here on the CLNS Media Network presented by our wonderful friends over at prize picks.

00:12 It is Brian Hines back with Alex Barth from 95 the sports hub as always to get back into

00:19 all this Patriots draft talk.

00:21 Happy draft season or month.

00:22 First of all, it is, you know, April 1st, the worst day on sports Twitter of the year

00:27 April April fools, but it is officially draft month.

00:31 So unfortunately, it was kind of a quiet Patriots news weekend.

00:35 So we're going to, you know, kind of turn it over for you guys.

00:38 Get some questions if you want to start putting, you know, any questions you have in the chat,

00:42 we'll get to them.

00:43 But we did get a little little news, little, you know, updates from about what they're,

00:48 you know, potentially guys that might be looking at about an hour or two ago from Tony Pauling,

00:53 who said that the JJ McCarthy hype or back to JJ McCarthy said the buzz around the pro

00:59 day circuit was that the Patriots seem to really like JJ McCarthy.

01:03 He added that general manager Elliot Wolfe is pushing hard for McCarthy believes he has

01:08 as much upside as any quarterback in this draft class.

01:11 So smoke screen season in full effect here, or do you kind of buy that that we're getting

01:16 some serious interest in JJ McCarthy here from the Patriots?

01:20 Well there's a report if you remember from the athletic back during the senior bowl that

01:24 Elliot Wolfe wanted to tackle Elliot Wolfe wanted to, uh, uh, Joe out, right?

01:27 So excuse me, you take it all with a grain of salt.

01:31 I'll just say that if debate, if this is the route, the Patriots going to go, Robert Kraft

01:37 needs to be okay with one or two more bottom 10 of the league seasons because JJ McCarthy

01:43 has to sit at least one year has he's not ready.

01:46 And on top of that, you're not going to have the talent around him where he's going to

01:50 be able to get you to that contending point.

01:53 Like you're going to have to have a 49ers type roster.

01:55 That's going to take multiple years.

01:57 So Elliot Wolfe may like JJ McCarthy.

02:01 And what's interesting in there is he said, like, he's trying to convince people right

02:04 to take them.

02:05 The Patriots have talked about collaboration and the team effort.

02:08 So maybe Elliot Wolfe's alone in that.

02:11 They'd better be ready for a few more rough years here.

02:13 If they're going to take JJ McCarthy.

02:14 And I just don't think anybody in that building has the stomach for it.

02:17 I don't think anybody in that building should have the stomach for it after the way last

02:21 year went.

02:22 Yeah.

02:23 Yeah.

02:24 So his direct words, he's pushing hard for McCarthy.

02:25 Right.

02:26 And we heard, right.

02:27 We heard Mayo say one of the best things he's learned from Alonzo Highsmith in their short

02:32 time together is that, you know, how important collaboration were and some of Highsmith's

02:36 worth were worst, excuse me, draft picks was when, you know, not everyone kind of agreed

02:41 on everything.

02:42 But a lot of them, you know, just emphasize collaboration so much.

02:45 So maybe that is just an Elliot Wolfe type of thing, which does that surprise you as

02:49 the guy who, you know, kind of took Baker Mayfield when he was with Cleveland and maybe

02:55 JJ McCarthy kind of fits that, that quarterback mold that, that Elliot Wolfe kind of likes.

03:00 Well, I mean, he's overdrafted bad quarterbacks, so, or he's been part of teams.

03:05 He wasn't the GM.

03:06 I won't say he did it, but he's been part of teams that overdrafted bad quarterbacks.

03:10 So yeah, that wouldn't necessarily surprise me.

03:11 I just, I don't know.

03:14 Look, people, people may think I'm like deflecting here in denial or whatever.

03:17 I just, if they want to take JJ McCarthy, fine.

03:20 I go back to what I wrote in February that he needs a Jordan love type of, unless it's

03:26 the Niners, the Niners are the one team I think he could go to and be successful right

03:30 away because Minnesota, maybe.

03:33 Yeah.

03:34 Sorry.

03:35 I was going to say the Vikings are the one team he could go realistic quarterback team

03:38 because they're like the Niners is what I was trying to say.

03:41 They've got, they're not quite as good, but you've got Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison,

03:45 TJ, Hawkinson.

03:46 They've got a couple of running backs this off season.

03:48 The offensive line's good.

03:49 Like anywhere else, he needs a Jordan love type development plan.

03:54 And again, do the crafts just drawed Mayo have the stomach for what would probably be

04:01 another two, four or five to six win seasons.

04:04 And what happens when, you know, he's not ready, are they going to rush him on the field

04:07 and ruin the investment?

04:08 Are they going to stick to it?

04:10 And Mayo's going to hear the noise about his job and crafts going to hear the noise about

04:13 selling the team and all that.

04:15 Do they have the stomach for it?

04:16 That's what you're signing up for.

04:17 If you draft JJ McCarthy, you are signing up for a low and slow rebuild, and maybe that's

04:21 what they want.

04:23 But I think if that's your plan, JJ McCarthy is not unique.

04:27 You can go get a JJ McCarthy in a future draft probably.

04:31 And I know I've said, you know, I'm very hesitant about quarterback drafts, uh, in

04:34 the future, in the future, you know, don't count on those.

04:37 But kind of a ball, there's two in this draft.

04:40 There's JJ McCarthy and Bo Nix, like ball distributing quarterbacks are a little bit

04:43 easier to find.

04:44 So if that's their plan, I would rather they just build up the rest of the roster.

04:47 Yeah.

04:48 Yeah.

04:49 I'm with you there.

04:50 I mean, we've talked so much about JJ McCarthy, but, uh, picking them as, you know, your number

04:56 three pick as the guy who you want to like drive the bus.

04:59 Just that doesn't seem like that's JJ McCarthy's path.

05:01 Again, there's, there's a lot of upside and maybe he, he maxes out all of that, but, uh,

05:06 seems like he's going to be the type of guy that needs to be in a good, obviously sit

05:09 at first and then being a guy who needs to be in a good situation to kind of, kind of

05:13 reach, reach that ceiling.

05:14 But, uh, we'll, we'll see what that, so, uh, unless you have any last kind of thoughts

05:20 on that, I'm sure we might get some questions on JJ too, but, uh, if you guys want to start

05:24 putting some, some more questions in the chat, I see a few already.

05:28 We will try to get to as many as possible, uh, throughout this show, any, any draft or

05:33 any, you know, anything else you guys have in mind, we will take it all.

05:36 So fire away.

05:37 Um, I did see one right off the bat.

05:41 Oh, I lost you now.

05:44 Oh, well, this one's probably correct.

05:46 Oh yeah.

05:48 Yeah.

05:49 All the team officials raving about JJ McCarthy, just Harbaugh in different disguises.

05:53 There's a conspiracy theory out there that Harbaugh is trying to drive up the price of

05:57 McCarthy.

05:58 So he goes, not that he goes forth, but he goes in the top four, right.

06:02 Even if he goes ahead of mayor Daniels.

06:04 So the chargers get hand delivered Marvin Harrison jr.

06:06 At five.

06:07 That's the, and I, I don't think the chance of that are zero.

06:10 I don't know how high they are, but I also don't think that they're zero.

06:13 Yeah.

06:14 Cause he was saying like if four quarterbacks go, then the chargers basically have the first

06:18 pick of the draft, right?

06:19 Cause they don't need, they don't need a quarterback.

06:21 They get their pick of the litter out of any other position player they want.

06:25 So, uh, that would, that would be an interesting one there.

06:28 Um, what would it cost the Patriots to trade up for a late first round pick along with

06:33 keeping their number three?

06:34 So that's something we've talked a lot about it.

06:36 We did in our mock draft 2.0, I believe where you trade up from 34, I think we targeted

06:42 a D Mitchell, maybe Brian Thomas's in that range or one of these offensive tackles.

06:47 If you're going just from 34, it depends how far up you want to go.

06:50 But I think we threw in what our fourth round pick like one Oh three.

06:55 Yeah.

06:56 It's, it, yeah, it depends how high up you want to go.

06:58 You're going to have to trade 34 and then it's basically, are you trading 68 or one

07:03 Oh three?

07:04 Are you trading 68 to get into the 2021 22 range or are you trading one Oh three and

07:09 then maybe a late day three pick for like 26, 27, 28.

07:14 Um, something like that.

07:16 Yup.

07:17 Uh, what about trading back and then up for JJ McCarthy?

07:22 You don't want to take him at three.

07:24 You don't want to take him.

07:26 If you don't want to take him at three, you're just don't just don't just cause what's going

07:30 to happen.

07:31 You're going to trade back.

07:32 So where are you going to trade back to?

07:33 You're going to trade back to what?

07:35 Sick.

07:36 You trade back to 11.

07:37 You're not getting back up.

07:38 You're not getting back up.

07:39 Cause if JJ McCarthy's there at six, the giants are taking him.

07:43 So you got to get back to five basically.

07:46 And at that point, is it really going to be worth it?

07:48 Because you're going to have to give up just about everything you got moving down to 11

07:53 to get up from 11 to five.

07:55 The only way that works is maybe you've moved down to five, maybe, but you assume the team

08:01 you're trading.

08:02 Well, the charters won't move up.

08:04 It's not going to happen.

08:05 It's like you can't trade back into it's happened five times in 30 years.

08:11 It's been 30 years flat since it happened in the top five.

08:15 It for all the, the, the bitching and moaning about bill Belichick being too unorthodox

08:21 with the draft, he leaves and now everybody wants them to do the biggest wild card move

08:26 a team can do in the draft, which is trade down for a quarterback.

08:31 I get it.

08:32 It's fun.

08:33 It's cute.

08:34 You can do all these little things where it works in theory, when you're actually sitting

08:37 there on draft night, you're on the phone with other teams.

08:39 You would need a lot of people to do you a lot of favors for something like that to happen.

08:44 And it's still, again, if JJ McCarthy's bad, it doesn't matter whether you took them at

08:50 three, six, 11 or 199.

08:52 He's bad.

08:53 He's bad.

08:54 He's bad.

08:55 If he's good, if you think he's going to be really good, why are you screwing around with

08:59 moving down and risking it?

09:00 Just take him at three.

09:02 There's very little incentive is the extra second round pick you're going to pick up.

09:07 Is the extra second round pick really worth potentially losing this guy?

09:12 If you think he's that good.

09:14 Yup.

09:15 Yeah.

09:16 That's like, you can't mess around with the quarterback position.

09:17 If you're convinced that a guy in three, no matter who it is, like you don't want to risk

09:22 right.

09:23 And every other position is different.

09:24 This is just like so many things in the NFL that like people will say, Oh, isn't that

09:27 what they did with Gonzalez last year?

09:29 Like, yeah, it's a corner.

09:30 They were playing B's a like I've Gonzalez goes, they take Jackson Smith and Jigba probably.

09:36 And they, you'd still say they had a pretty good draft.

09:39 If you build your entire off season around adding a premium quarterback and you heard

09:43 Gerard males say this week or last week that quarterback is a priority.

09:47 And Robert Kraft said he wants, you know, high end young quarterback.

09:50 If you build your whole off season around that, you miss on that guy, taking a high

09:54 level player at another position is not going to change is going to completely change the

09:59 outlook of your off season.

10:01 Taking a wide receiver instead of a corner or a tackle instead of a corner in the draft

10:05 doesn't change the grand scheme as much because the guy you're getting in the second round

10:09 is probably still a decent player.

10:10 The quarterback you get in the second round of this draft is Bo Nix who's aggressively

10:13 average and boring.

10:15 So that, you know, walking away from this draft with JJ McCarthy and walking away from

10:20 this draft with Bo Nix and quarterback are two very different conversations.

10:24 Yep, absolutely.

10:27 What about a, I was just going to say, uh, well, this is kind of, let's, let's do this

10:32 first because it's kind of along the same lines.

10:35 I'm trading back into the first and taking Michael Penix.

10:40 I in theory wouldn't be against it.

10:43 And I think this is more likely than the trading down for quarterback, but Michael Penix, I

10:50 think teams are starting to figure out what I've been telling you people for months now

10:54 that he's a damn good quarterback.

10:56 And when you get past the knee injuries, he is a top 15 prospect.

11:00 I'm sorry if you have four quarterbacks going to top six picks, you will get broad.

11:06 We've talked about that, that spot as it is.

11:08 I pulled the draft order here.

11:09 We've talked about that kind of run of teams in the teens, 11, 12, 13, that are all going

11:15 to need a quarterback, right?

11:17 You have Minnesota at 11 Denver, 12 Vegas at 13, the saints at 14, the Seahawks at 16,

11:23 the Rams at 19, the Steelers at 20.

11:26 One of those teams going to panic, say, shoot, it's now or never move up and get Michael

11:29 Penix.

11:30 I like in theory, you're probably going to have to move into the teens.

11:34 And now you're talking about, I think probably giving up your future first round pick.

11:38 Yeah.

11:39 Which if you believe in the quarterback that much, maybe you don't need that pick.

11:43 But I would say again, if you believe in the quarterback that much, just take him at three,

11:47 just take him at three.

11:48 Don't risk it.

11:49 Yep.

11:50 I have a hard time seeing like Vegas, maybe not taking a quarterback, right?

11:55 Like new Orleans.

11:56 Yeah, there's a lot of teams kind of in that mix where you could see one of the, one of

12:01 these like getting aggressive and, you know, taking a Michael Penix, even taking a bow

12:05 Knicks if they fall in love, just, you know, it's the quarterback tax.

12:08 That's kind of what you have to do.

12:10 And after the year, Michael Penix had, if the knees check out, like, like, can you blame

12:14 them in that sense?

12:15 So sure.

12:16 Like in theory, trading back up for him is great.

12:19 Like doing that trade we talked about 34 and a fourth round pick, go get Penix, use the

12:24 third pick overall on the tackle or Marvin Harrison.

12:28 But is he going to be there?

12:30 That's going to be the big question mark.

12:32 Speaking of, you know, that trade up, what do you think a package for Matthew Judon would

12:38 look like if they decide to move on from him?

12:41 If he's, he's not retiring, he's not going to be a horse farmer or whatever he joked

12:46 about today on social media.

12:49 But if they did move on from Matthew Judon, which I don't think they're going to do at

12:53 this point, what are you looking for in a package in return?

12:57 I mean, I think Judon is probably worth about the equivalent of a second round pick.

13:01 So depending on how high you want to move up, I think Judon would replace the top pick

13:05 in that trade.

13:06 You still might have to give up a couple more, but I think Judon plus, you know, one or three

13:10 can maybe get you a late first round pick if it's a contending team that feels like

13:14 it really needs a pass rush.

13:15 Yep.

13:16 Uh, let's go away from the quarterbacks for a little bit.

13:20 Any chance number 68 plus a later pick gets you T Higgins maybe after a legerious Snead

13:27 went for a third, a future third that price.

13:30 I'd say that that feels like a possibility.

13:33 I, I, I, it didn't feel like in a bubble.

13:36 Yes.

13:37 Because of the Snead trade.

13:38 I wonder if some of those contending teams late in the second round at that point would

13:41 just kind of offer up a top 60 picks.

13:43 So it could, if, if he doesn't have a big market, if he does have a big market now,

13:48 maybe it's maybe becomes 34.

13:51 Cause originally it was 34 and a pick for Higgins.

13:53 Maybe it comes 34 for Higgins and a pick.

13:56 It becomes 34 for Higgins and like a fourth round pick.

14:00 It would depend on his mark.

14:01 I wouldn't say it's impossible, but I don't think it's, it's super likely either.

14:04 Cause I think it was market dips that low again.

14:06 One of the good teams in the, in the late fifties would, would pull the trigger on that.

14:09 Yep.

14:10 You still doing that 34?

14:11 Yeah.

14:12 Oh yeah.

14:13 Yeah.

14:14 Uh, two draftable wide receivers.

14:16 What range is Roman Wilson and Javon Baker going who Baker, I believe is one of those

14:21 30 visit guys coming in.

14:23 So someone on their radar, Roman Wilson, Michigan had a really good senior bowl performance.

14:31 I'd say both of those guys like day late day to Baker, maybe early day three seems like

14:40 his kind of range right now.

14:42 I think Roman Wilson could get in the top 50.

14:45 He could get in his second round.

14:48 If a team's looking specifically for that kind of player.

14:50 Yeah.

14:51 Javon Baker, I think just with one year of production in this class, he's not that top

14:55 end athlete.

14:56 I think he probably, maybe he sneaks in like those few picks that are outside the top 100,

15:01 but our day two picks, maybe he sneaks in there.

15:04 He's one of the first guys off the board on day three.

15:06 Yep.

15:07 Great.

15:08 There.

15:09 Uh, let's see what else we got.

15:14 I'm with this.

15:15 I'm I, I, it's just an interesting point.

15:18 Don't get a tackle or receiver with three.

15:19 If they can't get a QB at three, get more picks the way the board's shaken out.

15:22 I think you could probably get Joe Alt if you move down to six.

15:25 Yeah.

15:26 So, um, I, I, it's, I'm so quarterback or busted three at this point.

15:30 I think if you're not taking a quarterback at three, you're trading down.

15:32 Yep.

15:33 Me too.

15:34 Um, where are you?

15:35 Where are you kind of at with this?

15:39 Where do you think Washington's leaning right now at number two?

15:43 I still think it's Daniels.

15:44 I don't feel nearly as confident as I did about a couple of weeks ago, but I still think

15:47 it's Daniels.

15:48 He had the comment from Brian Kelly.

15:49 Um, and again, I just think he's a better fit.

15:51 He's a better fit with cliff Kingsbury.

15:53 Yeah.

15:54 Yeah.

15:55 I'm, I'm 50, 50 on it.

15:57 I really, I go back and forth so much and I don't know.

16:02 I'm not going to believe one way or another until I hear, hear the name red, uh, that

16:06 night, but I guess slightly still side side with Daniels, uh, I guess for now, but we'll

16:12 see.

16:13 It's definitely more of a coin flip now than it felt like a couple of weeks ago.

16:16 Yeah.

16:17 I think even the betting odds kind of shifted.

16:19 It's still Daniels as of now.

16:21 And again, betting odds, you know, take them for what it's worth.

16:23 Will Levis was projected to their, the betting favorite to go number two, uh, last year for,

16:29 for a long time.

16:30 And he slid to the second round, but the, it's still Daniels is in the lead, but may

16:33 kind of caught up to some ground today.

16:35 So, uh, yeah, it definitely seems like that race race is kind of tightening, uh, uh, another

16:41 receiver thoughts on Xavier.

16:43 Take a look at at 34.

16:45 Is that too high for him?

16:46 Someone who really only had one year of college production at the position he transferred

16:52 or transitioned from quarterback to wide receiver early in his career.

16:55 So, uh, would you take a look at there at 34, if he's on the board?

17:00 I think it depends how the board goes.

17:02 If they really want to receive her with that pick, I think there's a chance he's the best

17:04 receiver on the board.

17:05 We've talked about it.

17:06 If they're not going to allow hip drop tackling, he's potentially a guy that could make a big

17:10 difference, but you know, if, if, if 80 Mitchell's on the board, if he falls, if somehow Brian

17:16 Thomas is on the board, he falls like there's, I, I'd still like that true traditional, I

17:21 think what gets more of a scheme touch player.

17:22 I'd still like that true traditional X receiver 34, if they can get them.

17:26 The other thing is like, if they move back, as we've talked about, if they use 34 to move

17:29 back, then yeah, you're in, you're in prime territory for Xavier yet.

17:33 Yep.

17:34 Yeah.

17:35 I like him as a player, but definitely some guys higher.

17:39 You mentioned 80 Mitchell, Brian Thomas, but yeah, I'd obviously, I'd like him like he's

17:44 on my, in my range of interest, especially at the top of the second round there.

17:49 Are there any good tackles taking the third round?

17:53 No, no, there really aren't.

17:55 Not, not in the sense of like year one contributors.

17:58 There's some project players, uh, Medici from, from Yale is not a bad player.

18:02 Uh, I think Roger Rosengarten is probably going to end up being a late third round pick, but

18:06 these are guys that are more high end project player, maybe year one starters down the road,

18:13 definitely not year one day one starters.

18:15 So if you want to get a starting left tackle, I think you got to take them in the top 50.

18:18 I think Patrick Paul, who right now is projected to go like late fifties, maybe top, very top

18:25 of the third round.

18:26 I think if they get lucky, Patrick Paul's there at 68, that's probably your last chance

18:31 to get a guy who was a shot at being a year one week one starting left tackle.

18:36 Yup.

18:37 Yeah.

18:38 You got to take, you know, for as much as we say it's like a deep talented tackle class,

18:42 like the day one contributors kind of fall off the board pretty quickly.

18:45 There are some intriguing like late fifth, sixth round, like a project players.

18:51 But if you want a guy who's coming in here and, and, you know, helping your line day

18:55 one of, you know, OTA is day one of training camp.

18:59 You have to take that guy probably at 34 or maybe you get lucky in with how the board

19:03 shakes out at 68.

19:05 But yeah, you got to get those guys on the earlier side of things in this class.

19:09 Yeah.

19:10 Um, here we can, uh, I'll, I'll pull this one.

19:13 This is a quick answer.

19:14 I think we both feel the same way.

19:15 If Brian Thomas and 80 Mitchell both fall, who are you taking?

19:18 Yeah, I think it's Brian Thomas.

19:19 Give me two years of production over one.

19:21 Yeah.

19:22 Yeah.

19:23 I have Brian Thomas higher there, but, um, let's take a, sorry.

19:27 It's good.

19:28 One more wide receiver one.

19:29 Could the pats get a pick and return for Juju?

19:32 I don't think so.

19:34 I think they could have, if they, if they would have, if they could have by now, but

19:38 maybe there was she right situation, Kansas city makes the chiefs desperate.

19:42 That's the one thing I wonder about.

19:44 I wonder if the, if anybody's getting, give me some form, it's going to be the chiefs.

19:47 That's the one team I I'd look at, but I don't think they're going to act on that anytime

19:51 soon.

19:52 So, and it'd probably be a pick swap, not just right.

19:55 Like a, like a straight up seventh round pick.

19:58 You'd probably have to swap something there, but, uh, let's take a very quick time out

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21:23 All right.

21:24 So I wanted to go here because we've got a little bit of news from Kyle Duggar, I guess

21:33 over the weekend.

21:34 Andrew Callahan from the Boston Herald said he's not, you know, Duggar still isn't overly

21:39 thrilled with, you know, getting the transition tag.

21:42 And if they did look to trade them, I believe they said that, you know, maybe could catch

21:46 a fourth, fifth round draft pick in return.

21:50 You think that's in play here or this ends up with, you know, Duggar, you know, back

21:54 on, back on the roster for this upcoming season.

21:57 It's tough to say with that transition tag, Kyle Duggar loses a ton of leverage.

22:01 So putting something out like this may just be a leverage play by him.

22:05 Um, I, the legerious need trade hurts them here.

22:07 Cause I think if, you know, prior to that, you might be able to get a top 100 pick for

22:12 Duggar now.

22:13 I mean, he's not, he's a defensive actor.

22:14 He's not as good as Snead.

22:15 So that, that drops off.

22:17 They can afford to trade them.

22:19 That's where the Patriots have the leverages.

22:20 We have to grill peppers.

22:21 We have Marte Mapo, right?

22:23 You can afford to trade them.

22:24 It's just a matter of, are they going to trade him for less than he's worth?

22:29 Yup.

22:30 Uh, let's see, what else we got?

22:36 Thoughts on Ladd McConkie at 34.

22:39 I am a big fan of Ladd McConkie.

22:42 Actually I, we're doing all of our draft profiles now and I wrote my Ladd McConkie one today.

22:47 So go check that out at a pet pulpit.

22:49 But um, yeah, I think the only concern I have with him is, um, his size, like six feet,

22:56 one 85, one 86.

22:58 I think he measured in at, so, uh, is he going to hold up?

23:02 Like he, he missed some time last year at Georgia, but, uh, and is that going to like

23:07 kind of pigeonhole him to a slot only role?

23:09 He played more outside than I thought he did looking at his snap counts at Georgia, but

23:13 is that size going to limit it inside?

23:15 Or just unreal route runner, short area quickness, he ran a four, three, nine.

23:19 He's got that breakaway speed.

23:21 I think he's going to be just like a quarterback's kind of best friend at the next level, catch

23:25 a bunch of balls.

23:26 So I'm a bit big Ladd McConkie fan.

23:29 Just it's the size as long as he can hold up.

23:31 I think he's going to be a really good pro.

23:33 Yeah, I'm with you.

23:34 I think he's a good player.

23:35 I wouldn't necessarily be mad if they drafted him, but again, I want to see them get the

23:38 true X receiver and I just think he's going to be a zero slot in the NFL.

23:42 So if that's the way it falls, but at that point I would almost go with a tackle and

23:47 then see if you can get a guy like Ricky Pearsall at 68.

23:50 Yep.

23:51 Well, speaking of Ricky Pearsall, who's better at Roman Wilson or Ricky Pearsall?

23:55 What do you want?

23:56 I mean, I think they're very comparable in terms of like if we're going to grade him

23:59 out of a hundred, I think Wilson's a little bit quicker, a little bit better after the

24:05 catch.

24:06 I think Pearsall is better at the catch point.

24:08 So what are you, you know, I would like to see the Patriots maybe get a guy more like

24:11 Pearsall because I think Wilson overlaps a good amount with a pop Douglas, but they're

24:16 both good players.

24:17 That's a good question.

24:18 It's two very comparable players.

24:20 Yeah.

24:21 I like both of them a lot.

24:22 I think they would lean Pearsall because you know how much have they said like toughness?

24:28 He's a really like willing run blocker and so is Roman Wilson, but Pearsall has got a

24:32 little bit more size and you know, that added toughness to him.

24:35 So I think they might lean Pearsall on that, but yeah, two really good players.

24:39 I wouldn't be upset with either of those guys if they found a way to get them.

24:43 Yeah, neither would I.

24:44 What else do we got here?

24:48 Which running back in the draft is best suited for the zone running it?

24:52 Ooh, good question.

24:54 So the, I mean the best suited, I mean we can go to the top and we can go to like Blake

24:58 Corum, but like where they're realistically going to take a running back, we'll just do

25:01 the day three guys like Dylan Laub.

25:03 He's out there, but again, I kind of want to see him get a bigger, more physical back.

25:05 I would look at a guy like like Marshall and Lloyd, um, Isaac, Orendo.

25:11 Those are kind of the guys I have circles for them.

25:13 Yeah, I was just going to say how big, how big did Garendo weigh in at?

25:17 He's more of a bigger two 30.

25:18 He's a big dude.

25:19 Yeah, he might've been two 2230, something like that, but he's, I mean he's one of the

25:23 bigger backs in the draft.

25:24 I have it right here.

25:28 Um, Garendo six flat two 21.

25:31 Okay.

25:32 Yeah.

25:33 I mean, he's a Braylon Braylon Allens in the two 30s.

25:36 Yeah.

25:37 Braylon Allens, Braylon Allens, big back, but yeah, Garendo just like, like dominated

25:42 every single athletic testing the nine 90 athletic score.

25:46 So he's definitely kind of a fit, uh, in that zone run game.

25:50 So he'd be an interesting addition to that room there, but yeah.

25:54 Uh, what else we got?

25:58 Uh, how many receivers should the Patriots come out of the draft?

26:03 I'd say no more than two.

26:04 Yeah.

26:05 Just because the, the only way to develop these guys is to get them on the field.

26:08 And you look at all the guys they brought back, unless they're going to move on from

26:12 juju move on from Taekwon.

26:14 You can't draft the guy and just completely sit him.

26:16 And I mean like, as far as like even significant preseason reps, they just, the numbers don't

26:22 work.

26:23 So I'd like to see him come out with two.

26:24 I think if they come out with one and it's like one high end guy, maybe like a UDFA fine.

26:28 But I think any, once you get to three, it's, it's overkill.

26:32 At that point you're just spamming it and trying to throw shit against the wall.

26:36 So you would stick.

26:37 So, um, yeah, I wanted to no more early, one early and then Bob means, right?

26:45 That's the ideal path.

26:47 Something is pro day.

26:50 You put on like 10 pounds since the combine.

26:52 Oh, I saw that.

26:53 I don't know what the deal is with that.

26:54 If it was a mismeasurement or whatever, but yeah, it's a little bit of a flag.

26:58 I will admit Taekwon.

26:59 Underwood was pumping them up though.

27:01 He said, I saw one interview with him and with Taekwon Underwood and he's like, yeah,

27:06 I'd love to, I'd love to coach him again if, if that, if that's how it works.

27:10 So yeah, maybe Bob means, but um, Brian, this one's for you.

27:15 Thoughts on the kicker situation.

27:18 Uh, I still don't think they're going to draft one.

27:21 Maybe they signed that, uh, XFL kicker who had a 64 yard field goal and the opening,

27:27 opening the other day.

27:29 I was joking.

27:30 I said, he's the perfect guy to lose a training camp competition to Chad Ryland.

27:34 But, um, uh, yeah, I still think after the draft at some point, you're going to get one

27:40 of these veteran options, maybe like someone from the XFL and you're, and you're just going

27:43 to have a competition and it's best man win.

27:46 But, uh, I'll still be in, in Chad's corner here until, until he's not on the roster.

27:52 So yeah.

27:53 Uh, this is an interesting one.

27:56 Does Joe Milt have more value for the value for the Patriots, a scout team TV QB, since

28:01 they have to play Josh Allen twice a year.

28:04 I mean, I, I guess that line of thinking is an incorrect.

28:07 I just think he's going to go, you're not going to draft a scout team quarterback or

28:10 he's going to go, he's going to go in the fourth or fifth round.

28:12 So it's an interesting line.

28:14 It's an interesting line of thinking.

28:15 I don't think it's incorrect.

28:17 I just don't think the investment it would take to get him would be worth that.

28:21 Yeah.

28:22 So, but good question.

28:25 That's what I was going to pull up this one.

28:28 Can you see them taking a second quarterback?

28:30 So maybe not like Joe Milton and like fourth or fifth round, but maybe one of these, you

28:34 know, Jason Bean, Devin Leary type of guys and you know, the six, seventh round,

28:38 I can, especially if they end up trading down at some point.

28:41 Yeah.

28:42 And end up with a bunch of picks.

28:43 I could definitely see that.

28:44 Yep.

28:45 So, uh, what do you think about, uh, another wide receiver?

28:50 We haven't talked about a lot.

28:52 Keon Coleman and where would you kind of feel comfortable?

28:56 He's probably like, it's tough, probably in that 34 ranges where you're going to have

29:00 to write.

29:01 And I just think there's going to be better receivers on the board.

29:04 If any, I mean, if he's there at 68, I take him and he's not going to be there.

29:08 He's again, one of those guys are made.

29:09 If you trade down into like the forties and he falls a little bit, that's the guy I, that's

29:15 the spot I'd look at him.

29:16 Do you have Nikhil flashbacks with him?

29:19 A little bit, not as much as some people.

29:21 I just think he's a better pure wide receiver that he's not like the scheme touch guy.

29:24 Nikhil was, but I see where that comes from.

29:26 Yeah.

29:27 Uh, what else?

29:30 Let's see.

29:32 Kind of, I mean, similar thoughts on thoughts on Johnny Wilson.

29:36 Yeah.

29:37 He's really interesting.

29:38 I take him at 68.

29:39 I think his route running for his size makes him a matchup nightmare, but he's kind of

29:43 the high end of that second wide receiver you draft for me.

29:45 I don't think you draft him as that wide receiver one and he solves all the problems.

29:48 He's just too inconsistent as hands aren't good enough.

29:52 Yeah.

29:53 Yeah.

29:54 He's, I mean the size and the athletic profile is really intriguing.

29:57 It's just how's, how's the team going to use them at the next level?

30:01 That'll be interesting to tell, but let's say if they don't draft a left tackle early,

30:09 who is lining up there in week one?

30:12 I still think it's Chuck Sikora for Mayo brought him up on prompted last week and there's been

30:16 reporting that way.

30:17 I don't know if that feels like the plan for better or worse.

30:19 I don't love it.

30:20 I've said my part on that.

30:21 He hasn't played it since college, but I'm sure it'll be an open competition and we'll

30:24 get some reps from Connor McDermott there in camp and some reps from Darian low, but

30:28 I think it's going to end up being a core for, yeah, I'd say he's the leader in the

30:32 clubhouse for where it's at right now.

30:36 But, um, uh, what about if all the receivers are gone or, you know, main receivers are

30:44 gone, Jatavian Sanders at, at 34, is that too early usage plan for them?

30:50 Like if their plan is to go to tight end heavy?

30:53 Yes.

30:54 But I wouldn't just draft a guy to platoon with Hunter Henry at 34.

30:57 I think you can do better with that pick.

30:59 Yeah.

31:00 Yeah.

31:01 He's, I'd be more interested in him at like at 68 I feel than 34, but, uh, starting left

31:12 tackle DJ Burns out of NC state.

31:15 That thing's wild that, that NFL teams want to, he's 270 pounds.

31:18 Like he's big for basketball, but he's maybe having drops and wait and play tight end.

31:22 He's a long way from being an NFL tackle.

31:24 You'd have to put on like 30 to 40 pounds to be right.

31:27 And then is he still going to move that way?

31:30 Yeah.

31:31 But shout out DJ Burns for saving, saving us from a Purdue Duke final four.

31:36 That would have been the worst thing of all.

31:38 Him and Zach Edy.

31:39 That's going to be an awesome matchup.

31:40 Yeah.

31:41 I mean, I don't know.

31:42 DJ Burns already has two fouls off the bus, but right.

31:46 Uh, hopefully, hopefully, um, uh, not really a question, but a name we haven't really talked

31:53 about Malachi Corley getting tons of attention.

31:55 The yak God.

31:56 Yeah.

31:57 He's just, he's so small for what's going to be a physical role.

32:00 I worry about that.

32:02 Yeah.

32:03 Yeah.

32:04 But I mean, he is awesome after, after the catch, but yeah, it's just, yeah, it's kind

32:10 of a tough fit.

32:11 Uh, a Marius mims.

32:12 I don't think he's getting to 30.

32:13 I don't think he's getting there.

32:14 Yeah.

32:15 I mean, I would run up, run up that card if he was there.

32:20 Let's see.

32:21 You want to take like one or two more here?

32:26 Yeah.

32:27 We can start wrapping this up.

32:29 Uh, somebody said Jonathan Brooks, the running back from Texas.

32:34 I just, he's still going to go like top one 20 and he's for those.

32:37 No, no.

32:38 He's still running back in his class and he tours ACL eight in the season.

32:41 If he falls to like one 37 maybe, but that's, I mean, he's not probably seen the field till

32:46 2025.

32:47 I think it makes some sense, but not for where he's going to go.

32:51 Yeah.

32:52 Uh, what do you think about Isaiah Bolden?

32:57 Could he be our quarterback too?

33:00 I mean, he was like not quarterback too.

33:02 I think he'll compete for the cornerback three roll, but I think they're going to bring in

33:05 somebody else or they'll keep Jonathan Jones on the boundary.

33:07 Yeah.

33:08 Yeah.

33:09 I mean, he was really promising, I'd say in, in training camp before, you know, the injury

33:14 and he's got a good size athletic profile.

33:16 I think between him and Alex Austin, you have some good options there, but they're young.

33:20 Maybe, you know, you'd still expect someone else to, to kind of, kind of come in and compete

33:28 at that spot.

33:29 But yeah, it'll be definitely interesting to watch, watch next, you know, throughout

33:34 camp and everything, but, uh, I don't see anything else we can wrap this one, wrap it

33:42 up and we're on to, I think we're doing a trade down mock draft on Thursday, right?

33:47 Yep.

33:48 So we'll be back Thursday.

33:49 Oops.

33:50 Sorry about that.

33:51 We'll be back Thursday for mock draft 4.0 where, you know, we are going to explore some

33:57 trade down possibilities.

33:58 We haven't done that yet, so we'll see what's out there in that department, but thank you

34:02 all as always for tuning in today and sending in all your questions.

34:07 You can follow Alex in the meantime at real Alex Barth head over to 95, the sports hub.com

34:12 to read his written Patriots coverage.

34:14 And you can follow me on Twitter at I am Brian Heinz and head over to Pat's pulpit.com to

34:19 read my draft coverage over there as well.

34:21 Thanks again.

34:22 And we will see you guys on Thursday.

34:23 Bye.

34:24 Bye.

34:25 Good night.

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