Before an exclusive interview with Pats quarterback Joe Milton, the Boston Herald's Doug Kyed returns to the show to cover all that's happening in Foxboro. Doug and Andrew discuss the fallout over Jerod Mayo's comments, the wide receivers calling for more targets, a team meeting on Thursday and more. Later, the guys preview Sunday's game against the Jets and made their game picks.
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0:56 - Word of the week
2:45 - Players' reactions
5:01 - Coaching responsibilities
7:58 - Team's current state
10:59 - Coaching staff experience
15:34 - Quarterback containment issues
17:10 - Receiver room immaturity
20:10 - Need for accountability
22:44 - Rookie performance review
25:10 - Fantasy football insights
27:09 - Media messaging consistency
30:53 - Jets team analysis
32:34 - Jets roster talent
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5:01 - Coaching responsibilities
7:58 - Team's current state
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17:10 - Receiver room immaturity
20:10 - Need for accountability
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30:53 - Jets team analysis
32:34 - Jets roster talent
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00:00Okay, a week after going on the road, taking Pat's interference on the road to London,
00:17our third different country with this show, we are still on the road, granted, just down
00:21the road in Broughton Road.
00:23Doug Kye, the People's Guest, back with us in old Boston Herald podcast because, to be
00:27frank, Boston Herald's had a lot of exclusive content from London back here and it's been
00:31a weird week.
00:32So we need to, I don't know, like some normalcy to be restored here.
00:36I don't know if a wind is coming on Sunday, Pat's are going to play the Jets, we're going
00:40to do a very abbreviated version of the typical Friday, Thursday night preview episodes, really
00:45diving deep into the game because there's been a lot more off the field that's been
00:49a lot more interesting, I would say, and you and I have obviously talked, we were there
00:52at the game in London, but the word of the week is soft.
00:56And that's where I want to start.
00:58I ranted in my last episode, give us the final word before we get on to what's happened this
01:02week and then the game on Sunday.
01:04I just couldn't believe that Drodd Mayo walked it back on Monday.
01:07I think that that was the thing that was the craziest to me, is that so many times now
01:14Drodd Mayo says one thing one day, and the next day or the next week or a few weeks later,
01:18a few months later, retracts it, walks it back.
01:22And this was a time where I was just like, oh, okay, you told us that the team was soft.
01:26And then like the next day you've changed your mind and you're saying that the players
01:29are soft.
01:30And like one thing, another thing I will say about this is that from people that I've talked
01:34to in the locker room, like players in the locker room that I've talked to, you know,
01:37on the record, off the record, whatever it was, they really don't seem that bothered
01:41by it.
01:42Like even Devon Godchild, when he was talking to the media this week was like, oh, he didn't
01:45really mean that he meant that we were playing soft.
01:48So I think if anything, like maybe Drodd Mayo helped himself by retracting it, but
01:54players from around the league and retired players seem more bothered about this than
02:00the Patriots do.
02:01Like, like Max Crosby of the Raiders was asked by his own, whoa.
02:04Well, Devin McCourty was like, what the hell's going on?
02:07Yeah.
02:08And like, yeah.
02:09Max Crosby was saying like, that's the worst thing you could say to a player.
02:11JJ Watt, we talked in the media this week saying like, can't believe he said that.
02:15That's the worst thing you can say.
02:16So either the Patriots players respect Drodd Mayo, understand what he's saying, believe
02:24him when they say that he meant that they're playing soft, or maybe their reaction to these
02:31comments speaks to what he's saying.
02:34Confirms it.
02:35Confirms them.
02:36Like, I don't, I don't know if I want to go that far, but like, yeah, like, and I guess
02:39we'll find out on Sunday against the Jets.
02:41I guess we'll find out as the season goes along.
02:44But like, on one hand, you're saying like, oh yeah, it's a positive that they don't seem
02:47that bothered by it, but it's possible that that's actually a negative.
02:50And like you said, that they're kind of confirming what he's saying.
02:53And to be clear, my stance is these guys are not soft.
02:55Like speaking with ex-players this week and inside the locker room, it's not that, you
03:00know, physically or mentally you could get them out of any kind of circumstance very
03:05easily.
03:06Right.
03:07But in an NFL game, when you're down already going into week eight and you're one at six,
03:11like that does take a type of toughness that we don't frankly know if they'll have.
03:14And the way we'll find out is exactly what you said.
03:17It's Sunday.
03:18I wrote this today.
03:19Like you don't need to upset the Jets to prove your toughness, but you do need to punch them
03:22in the face.
03:23Like people forget the Jets were the first team to really undress the Patriots in that
03:28Thursday night game.
03:29They go for 133 rushing yards.
03:30Every single opponent since then has rushed for more.
03:33Meanwhile, the Patriots are only getting 82.
03:35And whether that fits your definition of toughness, or we're just talking about the way that Gerard
03:39Mayo defined toughness, running the ball, stopping the run, covering kicks, like Patriots
03:44are losing and they're losing badly.
03:45And that game against Jacksonville really summed that up.
03:47So I just want to steer clear of one thing, not to absolve like the media or anything
03:52of their role in this, which really just relaying what Gerard saying, and then walking back.
03:56This is not some sort of freak out on the media's part on fans part.
04:02Soft is not something you hear a head coach of a football team call his own team, let
04:07alone one in New England, given the culture that Mayo grew up in as a player.
04:11And as a coach, this is a big deal.
04:13The response though, ultimately will be bigger.
04:16And I will say one last thing about this.
04:18And that's that I don't believe that these players are soft because like, so Bill Belichick
04:24obviously talked about this.
04:25I don't want to go too far down this rabbit hole, but obviously fans took Bill Belichick's
04:31comments of saying that he feels bad for players.
04:33He knows these players in the locker room aren't soft, the ones that he'd coached last
04:36year.
04:37And I'd say that one side of the fan base was saying like, hell yeah, go Bill, say these
04:41comments.
04:42Another half was saying like, okay, he's saying these, but at the same time, not acknowledging
04:47that Juwan Bentley, Jabril Peppers and Christian Barmore are not on this team.
04:51And that that's part of the reason why the Patriots were so much better against the run
04:56than they were, than they have been this season.
04:59That's true.
05:01But Bill Belichick knows that the players that he coached last year are not soft and
05:06him failing to acknowledge that those three guys are not playing doesn't change that.
05:12So I would say that like, if Gerard Mayo thinks that the players are soft or that they're
05:16playing soft, I do think that it speaks to the coaching.
05:20And I think that maybe more blame needs to be placed on Mayo and his defensive coaching
05:24staff if he does believe that they're playing soft.
05:27And Mayo would say, Mayo will say that like, he'll put the blame on himself.
05:34He won't necessarily put the blame on his staff now at this point.
05:37And I think that that, if this continues, could be an issue.
05:41It is interesting too.
05:42And this is another small detour off of your detour to say that, you know, and I went on
05:47about this Tuesday, it was Jerry Montgomery, Dante Hightower, Drew Wilkins are the only
05:52three new assistants on defense coaching positions.
05:56And when you look at that front seven, that's the issue, is the stopping of the run.
06:00But the new D coordinator, DeMarcus Covington, coached defensive line the last four years
06:04before that was outside linebackers, like he still has his hands in whatever they're
06:08trying to cook up and it's not good enough.
06:10So it is interesting, not only the new coaches element of this, whether or not they're doing
06:15their jobs to the best degree, which look, you know, you're in Dante Hightower's case,
06:20a young coach, in Wilkins and Montgomery's case, you're teaching slightly different techniques
06:24and introducing parts of the playbook that are new and you just don't have great talent.
06:27But the bottom line is, it's interesting that Mayo will go to defend his staff more than
06:32the players.
06:33One more thing on Mayo.
06:34This is, I don't, this like detour after detour after detour, we're all lost, the GPS is broken.
06:38We're just going to have to get a flashlight and flag someone down.
06:40Like some of the Ubers I was taking a walk on.
06:41There's speed bumps, there's detours, there's one-way streets, there are two-way streets.
06:45This is me admitting anyone who's ever commented that Callahan gets too winding and meandering,
06:49you're absolutely right.
06:50But just buckle up.
06:53Mayo, yesterday, Wednesday, and we just talked about this because I just wrote about this,
06:57it'll be on the Boston Herald Friday morning, gave the shortest press conference on a Wednesday,
07:03all season, by transcript measurement, a thousand fewer words than certain press conferences
07:08this year.
07:09Not only that, he was more disciplined and on point in his messaging, which, you know,
07:14I'm sick about talking about Jaron Mayo's messaging.
07:16I want to get to the football, but this is the story this week.
07:19Any question about calling the team soft, he redirected to the Jets.
07:22His answers were about, we're going to find out on Sunday.
07:25It's about preparing for the Jets.
07:26I think this was a wise move by him, and of course we know in doing that, he's stealing
07:31from whom?
07:32Bill Belichick.
07:33We're onto the Jets.
07:34We'll see you on Sunday.
07:35I'm going to ignore the noise, which this time was actually courtesy of Belichick with
07:38his comments, and that's when they kind of cut the press conference short.
07:41But I think this is a good decision for Mayo, who is unprepared and too off the cuff when
07:46he speaks with us, which again, the extent of that damage is only measured as far as
07:51it goes into the locker room.
07:53This week, it went into the locker room, all of those soft moments, but how it comes out
07:57on Sunday, we'll still have to see.
07:59What else did you learn this week?
08:00As we talked to him, tons of different players, coordinators were today, like there's a real
08:04state of the team.
08:05I think it's fair to take the temperature because we're seven games in, there's a lot
08:08of stuff going on.
08:09Yeah.
08:10I'd say I learned more from talking to, you know, people within the team, sources about
08:14the team.
08:15Yeah, you had a good piece today.
08:16About what's kind of going wrong with the team.
08:18And overall, it really is everything.
08:21Like there's one aspect where, and I think that sometimes fails to get mentioned because
08:27things are worse than we expected them to.
08:30But this is a team that was not favored to win a single game entering the season.
08:36And that does not give them an excuse to lose by double digits to the Jaguars.
08:40But I feel like that does need to be acknowledged off the top that in May, when the schedule
08:44came out, when no one knew the bar more was going to be out, when no one knew that Bentley
08:48and Andrews were going to be out, when no one knew that they were going to trade Matthew
08:51Jude on, or the, you know, the drill peppers was going to land on the commissioners exempt
08:55list.
08:56This was a team that on paper was not favored to win a single game.
08:59So on paper, it makes sense that the Patriots are one in six.
09:04That being said, though, it looks worse than we expected it to.
09:08Most teams, even if they're projected to go, oh, and 17 still wind up winning four to five
09:13games or so.
09:14And the issues that I uncovered really were leadership overall.
09:19And that goes to players and coaches, talent overall on the team, and really just experience
09:26on the coaching staff.
09:28And I think that the leadership among players can be explained a lot by David Andrews being
09:33on injured reserve and by Juwan Bentley being on injured reserve.
09:36Those were really your top offensive leader and your top defensive leader who are still
09:41around the team, but can't really carry the same weight that you did before.
09:45So now it's guys trying to figure out like, do I step up?
09:48Do I not step up?
09:49Some of the leaders already in place maybe weren't the most vocal anyway.
09:53So I think that's a big deal.
09:54And then the other big deal is just the leadership on the coaching staff and the experience on
09:58the coaching staff where there's no one on the defensive staff prior to this year who
10:04would even been a coordinator.
10:07No one on the defensive staff either wasn't coaching previously or had only risen to the
10:13level of being a position coach.
10:15On the offensive staff, it's a little bit different.
10:17Alex Van Pelt has offensive coordinator experience.
10:20He's called plays in one season.
10:21You've got Ben McAdoo on the staff who's been a head coach.
10:24He's been an offensive coordinator.
10:26He's been an offensive play caller.
10:27But on defense, really what this all comes down to, and this is now at this point, my
10:33opinion on this, like the ownership needs to figure out if they are going to let the
10:38defensive staff figure it out on their own, gain experience on their own, if they're going
10:44to be patient enough, or if at this point they figure out or after the season, we need
10:49to bring someone in.
10:50We need to bring in an assistant head coach.
10:52We need to bring in someone who's been either a head coach or defensive coordinator, who's
10:56got more experience, who can help this staff out because I do think that there's a experience
11:01void on the defensive staff and really on the staff overall, where Gerard Mayo just
11:07doesn't know everything.
11:08He's a guy who was only a linebackers coach before he was, in fact, a coordinator with
11:12Steve Belichick, but they had a guy above them and Bill Belichick who handled like every
11:17aspect of the organization.
11:18Well, and to be clear, Demarcus Covington is leading those meetings.
11:21Like they still collaborate in the game plan.
11:23They sit around a round table.
11:24This is from the coaches themselves, you know, to me and other reporters.
11:28And it's not like, Hey, Jerry Montgomery's got third down, which you'll see more often
11:31in offense and other teams.
11:33And you're going to take red zone this week and you guys study early down and we'll all
11:35come together.
11:36And that's what the play sheet is.
11:38These little squares or rectangles with the different play calls that you contributed
11:41and you picked out.
11:42And I assembled as a coordinator.
11:43Demarcus Covington is at the head of that table.
11:46And I think when you look at the size of the defensive staff relative to the offensive
11:49staff, now granted the offense, like you don't even want to say no great shakes and injuries
11:53play a part on both sides, at least it's ascending in parts, right?
11:57If Mayo is not heavily involved and he is not on defense, then it is Covington show.
12:01And we've seen what that looks like.
12:02And again, Eric Johnson into Quail and Roy.
12:05I don't think they expected to be in the middle of their defense this year, but it is what
12:08it is.
12:09You have to make do.
12:10You need to make chicken salad and they're not.
12:13The other thing, when we talk about the state of the team this week and leadership to our
12:16belly quarter, the best life was the one who spoke at this team meeting we heard about
12:20today where it was raised, Hey, we need to play harder.
12:24We need to rehab harder.
12:25You need to get the bleep off the social media and focus on what's important, which by the
12:29way, even if you haven't figured this out in week eight of the NFL season, it's football.
12:34That's what's most important.
12:35And I thought Kendrick Bourne did a great job of vocalizing this and articulating it
12:40today to the media saying, yeah, there's some immaturity in our room.
12:43Like Keishon booty is the latest whiner to come out of the receiver's room.
12:45And I ranted about this already, but like, you don't get to call for the ball demonstrably
12:50when you have 10 catches in nine career, healthy scratches that that's Keishon booty who's still
12:54calling for the ball and being demonstrably about.
12:56So that team meeting though, Hey, it's a good thing that Bentley spoke up because it fills
13:00that leadership board you're talking about.
13:02What does that say about a coaching staff that you have a player at the front of the
13:07room in week eight saying, we need to play better.
13:12We need to rehab harder and we need to focus on what's important.
13:16The answer is nothing good.
13:18No, absolutely not.
13:19And they're like the, the wide receiver room needs to be figured out because now we've
13:24got like Jalen Pollock, who was saying last week that he's got the best hands in the NFL.
13:28You've got, um, you know, Javon Baker can't find the field right now.
13:32He's been a healthy scratch most weeks.
13:34Doesn't know the playbook according to his own offensive coordinator.
13:36Right?
13:37Yeah.
13:38It doesn't know where it'll line up and what routes to run is, is what Dan Pelt said.
13:41Like you mentioned Keishon booty saying, I have to go up to guys on the sideline and
13:45demand the ball.
13:46And like, I will say Keishon booty probably should be targeted more than twice in the
13:49game, given how he's playing right now.
13:51But I don't know if that's necessarily something that you have to say to the media.
13:53I think that that's something that, you know, probably doesn't need to be, uh, said.
13:58And then, I mean, KJ Osborne was posting on social media after the game, Jalen Pollock.
14:03It's just a huge issue right now in the wide receiver room.
14:06It's just a lot of immaturity.
14:07And I don't know if there's someone to corral that because they've got Tyler Hughes is the
14:11wide receivers coach who has never been a positional coach before.
14:15Taekwon Underwood has only been assistant wide receivers coach, I believe at the college
14:18level before.
14:19They don't have that one big, like vocal, intimidating veteran wide receiver on the
14:25team who can kind of pull the group together.
14:27So I mean, if it's Jawan Bentley, whoever it is who has to pull this group together,
14:31like, like something has to happen.
14:33And you know, you mentioned like Eric Johnson, DeQuayle and Roy, that is the other aspect
14:37of it.
14:38This is that there have been so many injuries.
14:41The roster was so devoid of talent, but they've had to bring in so many new guys now since
14:47even the beginning of the season.
14:48And Keon White was saying this to me, we're like, it's tough to trust that your teammates
14:54will be where you expect them to be because you haven't been practicing with them since
14:59the beginning of the summer.
15:00And he, he views trust as being the biggest issue on the defense right now, more so than
15:06installing new elements or coaching or leadership.
15:11And like, that's just something that can't really be fixed anywhere else, but on the
15:15practice.
15:16I mean, I've seen it on film, like when Jelani Tavae is flying in face first into a gap that
15:22clearly is not his trying to get ahead and create a negative play because you just don't
15:26have the belief that the defensive line is going to create a wall and run parallel with
15:30an outside zone play.
15:32That's where you have the selfish play coming in.
15:33When Dietrich Weiss is doing the same, just ripping around the edge and not caring about
15:37quarterback contain or setting the edge fundamentally, that's an issue.
15:41Like Christian Ellis did not play particularly well, like the worst 10 tackle game I've ever
15:45seen.
15:47He got here and didn't even go to defensive meetings last year.
15:49He was a core special teamer.
15:51And that was it.
15:52He's not a take on linebacker, which speaks to the depth and the injuries they've had.
15:55But that trust is why guys are jumping ahead of gaps.
15:57Okay.
15:58One thing I will say about the linebackers, like, and yeah, it's not Christian Ellis's
16:01fault that he's like 230 pounds.
16:03It's not Rayquan McMillan's fault that he's like 240 or whatever it is.
16:07And like, I don't know.
16:09I mean, we'll see what the Patriots defense does.
16:12I don't know if they're built, but they're like the two gapping scheme now at this point,
16:16because they don't have 350 pound defensive tackles.
16:19They've got a bunch of 300 pounders.
16:20They don't have 260 pound linebackers.
16:22They've got a bunch of smaller guys.
16:24Like you could, you could honestly make the case that the people in this building who
16:30are best suited to be those like run stuff and linebackers are on the coaching staff
16:35and Gerard Mayo and Donde Hightower, like, and obviously Jelani Tovai is a bigger guy
16:39too.
16:40So if you lose Jelani Bentley, no one else is really on this roster who can fill that
16:44middle linebacker role other than Mayo and Hightower.
16:47I just love the idea of a guy who we've not heard anything about or from the last, I don't
16:53know, six weeks, Joshua Uche, if they make this pivot to like a four down, pin your ears
16:58back scheme, which would be a wholesale change.
17:00I don't think it's going to happen.
17:01His thought process has to be that single gift of Michael Scott at the table, slamming
17:06it.
17:08Cause that's what Joshua Uche needs to do in order to be effective speaking of another
17:12guy who's probably playing outside the scheme.
17:14Okay.
17:15So you have a team meeting today.
17:16The receivers are still whining everywhere with the exception of Kendrick Bourne, which
17:19is, it's not to shout out someone who's been on this show a couple of times before, but
17:23I think had the most mature comments saying, Hey, it is immaturity.
17:26You guys coming up in NIL.
17:28I don't totally buy that theory, but you need to bring them along, teach them how to be
17:31a professional and deal with money and fame and family coming out of the corners of your
17:35life to say, Hey, I want a piece of this and a piece of that.
17:38And then also just do your job at the end of the day.
17:41I don't think we miss anything as far as comments, because look, there's been so much, but we've
17:46already been going for almost 20 minutes.
17:47Did we?
17:48Yeah.
17:49No, I don't think we missed anything.
17:50It's been like, it started off on Wednesday is just a weird week.
17:53And like, I think things have kind of like the tension is lessened a little bit, but
17:57still, yeah.
17:58Very eventful week here in New England.
18:00I will say too, um, you know, Devon gotcha spoke this week and he's a guy who ironically
18:06enough, I think might've fit the Daniel McAwally description of guys in here think too highly
18:10of themselves because he was very often speaking with us and speaking from a leadership position.
18:14I think Devon gotcha was a good player, did not show up whatsoever against the Jack Wars.
18:18In fact, was a liability stood up by a tight end in the last touchdown run.
18:22Didn't really speak after the game.
18:23As far as I saw, maybe I missed something.
18:25And then this week is like, Oh, dry.
18:27Didn't mention.
18:28I don't think, I think that's fine.
18:30It's like, well, either take it as a challenge and man up or not.
18:32And Daniel McAwally is going to hit his career high and snaps on the 21st play that he sees
18:36on Sunday, which is insane.
18:37It speaks to a lot of things going on, but there's miscommunications, guys next to each
18:40other not performing to certain levels and just, they don't have anyone else to play.
18:44As their position coach, Jerry Montgomery put the summer going.
18:48Yeah, I guess like, well, he's going to have to replace bar more.
18:50We don't have anybody else.
18:51Okay.
18:52Uh, so then the question is before we get into the jets, how do you pull yourself out
18:58of this?
19:00I've already made the obvious point today that winning is the greatest deodorant possible.
19:04And you're seven point underdogs at home to the jets for the first time since I think
19:08Mike, you already tweeted today, like 1972.
19:11And Mike was at that game, by the way, covering, um, uh, do you expect it to happen this weekend?
19:17Is it a slow process?
19:18Is it a big win?
19:20Like when does this happen?
19:22What does it look like?
19:23I mean, I think they need to start playing better for them to pull out of this.
19:28I'm just not really convinced that it's going to happen.
19:30I think if anything, if they do keep losing, there has to be like actual consequences.
19:36I don't know if that's a player getting cut on, if that's a player, a key player getting
19:39benched, I think that you have to potentially make your team worse in order to make your
19:44team better.
19:45And if there are guys who are being huge problems in the locker room or, you know, missing meetings
19:50or being late or not taking accountability, then I think that you, you need to create
19:55some consequences for these guys to show that like, okay, we've had the meeting.
19:59We we've had the come to Jesus moments.
20:02Like we're trying to bring you guys up.
20:04If you're not getting it, then you're out of here.
20:06Because I don't know if it's going to be fixed on the football field because I just don't
20:09know if this team is talented enough enough to do it.
20:12I think there's just an element to speak to what I, again, wrote today of just, you need
20:17to bring the fight to the other team.
20:19Like you did this in the first quarter and then kind of laid down in a way that was just
20:24unacceptable.
20:25It's not part of that time change guys going out, whatever that obviously has to stop.
20:28I think you need to bring a physicality and an attitude that just says F you like it's
20:32got to be a little saltier than this.
20:33The energy at least has to be going, not just inward and sitting on it.
20:37You've got to throw it at the Jets on Sunday.
20:39So whether they win or lose, if there is a persistence, a grit, a competitive courage
20:44that you see to me, that is the first step.
20:46Like regardless of the circumstances, we are here.
20:49We're going to do our best to kick your ass.
20:51You'll probably do that to us, but we're going to show up because that's our job.
20:54I think ultimately it does start, as you're saying, kind of behind the scenes, getting
20:58their house in order, if you will.
21:00But I don't think it will be this weekend either.
21:02I'm looking at the Titans game.
21:03They just trade DeAndre Hopkins.
21:05They've got a bad quarterback.
21:06Yeah.
21:07They'll be at home.
21:08They know what they are.
21:09I'd say they're in worse shape knowing they're already selling pieces off and it's not even
21:11Halloween.
21:12That's a game that I look at and go, maybe you win.
21:14And even if you don't, you go to overtime.
21:17If you build on this performance, because there's no way you can not build off of last
21:20Sunday.
21:21Last Sunday was a disaster.
21:23That's what I think this looks like.
21:24It's a progression over a couple of weekends.
21:26Yeah.
21:27And I think they need to be more competitive.
21:28And I think like in some ways, this might sound crazy to say, but it might wind up being
21:33the best thing for this team that the Jaguars really did just run over them like they did
21:37in that game.
21:38Because after the game against the Texans, you were still kind of hearing excuses from
21:43the coaches of like, Oh, if you take out three big plays, then it really was.
21:48I don't know if this was like, I'm paraphrasing, but essentially that's exactly what he said.
21:51If you took out three big plays and it wasn't so bad in the run defense and it's like, okay,
21:55but those big plays were for like 50 yards and 20 yards and they were touchdowns.
21:59So like, I think if anything, if you take out three kicks in Patriots history, you have
22:02half of the number of Super Bowls.
22:04How about that?
22:05And I think they had almost like fooled themselves into thinking like, Oh, it's not that bad.
22:09The run defense isn't that bad.
22:11We just were allowing big plays.
22:12It's like, all right, well on Sunday in London, you saw just how bad the run defense is.
22:16So that really is a wake up call.
22:18I think for this defense.
22:19That's why Gerard Mayo came out saying how soft they were and everything like that.
22:23And now we see how they respond to it, because I think they had lulled themselves into like
22:27some sort of, I don't know, complacency or whatever it was that like, it wasn't as bad
22:31as it was.
22:32And it really obviously was.
22:33Okay.
22:34Enough about that.
22:35We need to cleanse the timeline.
22:37It's a good thing.
22:38Cleanse the podcast.
22:39Cleanse the feed.
22:40Cleanse the YouTube.
22:41Uh, Drake may let's do four or five minutes of this kid.
22:42Cause I, I thought it was a little bit of a step back from Jacksonville.
22:45Now, granted within the context of it's his first start and a rookie curve, I gave him
22:50an a minus against Houston.
22:52Like I had baked in an expectation.
22:53He'll throw a dump pick 11 nerves.
22:55After that was absolute nails.
22:57Great thrills.
22:58People disagree with me.
22:59Like pick your Dan Orlovsky, uh, you know, imitator JTO Sullivan or chase Daniel.
23:05They're all being like, wow, he took a step forward.
23:07They probably know better than I do.
23:08The point is if you're scoring a B plus or an a minus this early, his GPA is still in
23:14the mid threes.
23:15That's a great start.
23:16Alex van Pelt today said he's very happy with him.
23:18His development is right where it needs to be from the footwork, the playmaking, the
23:22off platform throws, the tight window throws.
23:24It's all there.
23:25I like, I know a bad game is coming, but it's hard to say even looking against his jets
23:31defense and the offensive line for the Patriots might be settled by the way, we could see
23:34the Darien low back that I expect it to be anytime soon.
23:38Like he he's, he's checking all of the boxes, basic and things that are a little bit more
23:44advanced or would normally catch a rookie making a second or third start off guard.
23:47Yeah.
23:48And I think like, I think the, the fast start in the game against the Jaguars was big.
23:52Drake may has really kind of leaned on that since that game, that he's very proud that
23:56they were able to get off to that fast start, obviously now in the future, it's about sustaining
24:00that fast start.
24:01So I think that was obviously a big positive guys like Daniel Orlovsky and chase Daniel,
24:05like you were saying, have mentioned his footwork and his fundamentals and all those kinds of
24:09things as being a big improvement from, from his first start.
24:14So again, that overall is a positive as well.
24:17And when you look at the stat line and you see they didn't turn the ball over, you're
24:21probably saying to yourself, well, obviously it was a huge jump forward for, for Drake
24:25made in this game, three touchdowns and no picks, but it's like, okay, well in all reality,
24:30he got lucky to KJ Osborne broke up an interception yet another throw behind Austin Hooper that
24:35should have been picked off overall PFF charter with three turnover worthy plays in this game.
24:40So that's where you see like, maybe like you were saying some of the regression, but like
24:44those were actual turnovers in the first week.
24:47So I still don't look at it as like this major regression that doesn't happen.
24:50I just think that it's, it might not have been as positive as it might've looked on
24:55paper where you're sitting like, all right, yeah.
24:57Three touchdowns, 270 yards, no interceptions, no fumbles, perfect performance.
25:02It wasn't necessarily that great, but I do look at it still as being a step forward for
25:07him and overall in these first two weeks, he's played playing far above my expectations
25:12for him.
25:13So I don't know.
25:14I mean, I personally, I just picked him up in fantasy because I'm like, he's going to
25:18get 25 points each week and like, might as well have him on my team.
25:22But obviously that isn't a side or whatever, but I do, that shows that I do think that
25:27he can keep this going.
25:29Maybe not necessarily against the Jets this week because they do have a tough defense.
25:32We'll find where he even has spots to throw the ball.
25:35But overall, I think he's going to have a strong working season.
25:39Another little detour coming up at the end of this episode, a four minute drill with
25:42Joe Bilton, who does a great Drake May impression.
25:46And I informed Drake in the locker room after Joe and I had shot this quick little video
25:49outside in the concourse.
25:50He was like, what do you say?
25:51So then I had to do an impression of Joe Milton's impression of Drake May.
25:56He was pleasantly surprised.
25:57And then we talked a little bit about how much cover two Jacksonville was playing and
25:59it's like, man, there are so many different ways they got to that and yada, yada, yada.
26:02But he, he didn't, he didn't have a problem with it.
26:04And that was honestly part of the, the reason I was impressed because you have safeties
26:09in different places.
26:10And, you know, even when he's making play action throws and he's like, okay, that's
26:13cool.
26:14You're going to change the picture.
26:15Like I see what it is now and I see it very quickly.
26:16So just, just more advanced stuff.
26:19And not to mention they've seen this deep, this style of defense that they will see from
26:22the Jets.
26:23It will be their fourth time in eight games coming up, having played the Jets, the Niners,
26:28and then Houston, who all came from this tree out in San Francisco with Robert Sala, who's
26:32obviously now gone, D'Amico Ryans, and now the Jets again.
26:35So that's that's that anything else we miss about Drake?
26:39I don't think so, no.
26:41I would say small side, again, his PR and media messaging and his consistency with who
26:49he is, is incredibly impressive for a 22 year old.
26:52And if he was making comments and he had to walk back, you'd be like, oh, this is fine.
26:56And I wrote six months ago, Drodd-Mayo is going to make rookie mistakes and they're
26:59going to coincide with the Patriots.
27:00They've just not improved there.
27:02Drake May has been very, very good, I think thoughtful and authentic as much as you should
27:06be with the media, frankly.
27:07Yeah.
27:08He's taking blame for mistakes.
27:09Yeah.
27:10He took a blame for a sack.
27:11He said they walked up to Michael Wenham and said they kind of scrambled into a sack on
27:14the play.
27:16He's taken blame and responsibility for things that probably aren't necessarily his fault,
27:20but that's all the things that we heard that the Patriots liked about him before they drafted
27:23him, that he was not going to be throwing his teammates under the bus and he was going
27:29to be taking responsibility for the issues they had.
27:31I asked Michael Wenham about that too, I was like, so what should you have done differently?
27:35Or he had done differently.
27:36He was like, nothing, that was on me.
27:38So you have guys who are jumping on the grenade that Drake's already jumped on for them, being
27:42like, I should have blocked better, that's my perspective.
27:44And it's also good to hear from Michael Wenham, who has really not lived up to that contract
27:47so far this year.
27:49Speaking of Drake-
27:50He was a little bit better, I felt like, on Sunday.
27:51Yeah, yeah, I think so.
27:53I gave him the sack, but it was one of those I asked, I was like, so I did this, what do
27:56you think?
27:57And he was like, yeah, that's fair.
27:59Drake May, we know, also considers himself to be a knockoff version of Jason Tatum, was
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30:00Price Picks of the week, you co-signed on these, by the way, so if there are losers,
30:04one for him, one for me, Drake May, yes, I need, I have been out here, the lifeguard
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30:35in London, teams close to the goal line, know they can punch it in, I don't know about the
30:39yardage, I think the Patriots run defense will be better, as DeMarcus Dominguez promised
30:42today, but Brees Hall ultimately gets in the end zone, whether this game is close or not,
30:46so Drake May, more than .5 touchdown passes, Brees Hall, more than .5 touchdown rushes
30:52on Sunday at Gillette, okay, the Jets, they're 2-5, they stink, not as bad as the Patriots,
30:57but they are 25th by DVOA, they're 21st in offense, 21st in defense, and 28th on special
31:02teams, here are their last four, they lost 37-15 versus Pittsburgh last weekend, not
31:07as bad, but another loss, 23-20 the Monday before to the Bills at home, before that they
31:13lost 23-17 versus Minnesota in London, and after beating the Patriots, they lost at home
31:18to the Broncos, 10-9 in the ring, a major reason for that, Aaron Rodgers, shockingly,
31:24at age 40, is playing like he's 40, completing 61% of his passes, just over 1,600 yards,
31:3010 touchdowns, 7 picks, and not enough joy for Aaron Rodgers, too much anger out there
31:35on the field.
31:37I said a bunch of stuff about the Jets, what's your big-picture first thought that comes
31:41to mind when you think about them as a football team right now?
31:44First of all, it's that Aaron Rodgers looked like vintage Aaron Rodgers in one game this
31:48season that was against the Patriots, so not necessarily sure if we're gonna see the 40-year-old
31:54version of Aaron Rodgers or like the 28-year-old version this week at Gillette Stadium.
31:58The Steve Carell version of the 40-year-old, yeah.
32:03But the other thought is that this is not your typical 2-5 team coming to Gillette Stadium.
32:09This is still a very talented Jets roster that just acquired Devontae Adams, and I mean,
32:18think what you want if the Patriots get decimated by the Jets, but this is still a very talented
32:24roster that is playing below expectations, unlike a Patriots roster, which is not very
32:30talented and playing below expectations, so this is still a pretty big mismatch on Sunday.
32:36Yeah, and I said they're 25th by DVOA, which is true.
32:39The Patriots are down, I think it's 30th.
32:40The gap between them, not between rankings, but in the percentage, which obviously you
32:45want to be higher, the Jets are just above minus 20% by DVOA, which if you want to explain it,
32:51just go to the website, FDM Fantasy, or we'll have Aaron shots on here,
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32:55The Patriots are minus 40, so the Patriots are twice as bad as the Jets by DVOA,
33:00despite only being separated by five or six spots.
33:02That speaks to the talent, it speaks to how closely they've lost these games.
33:05They obviously are desperate at two and five, but there is still just some dysfunction in here,
33:10where you just go, there's something missing and it's still a team that can be beatable.
33:14Now, would I bank on the Patriots doing that?
33:16One reminder of Stevenson mispractice this week, and he was back today, that's a good sign,
33:20but Aaron Lowe's banged up.
33:21No, but this is a way where if you are more desperate, and you are at home,
33:27and you can start fast again, I do think there is a path to victory here for the Patriots.
33:31That being said, there's a lot of mismatches that they have to address,
33:36and Quinnen Williams is one of those players that is down as he's been this year.
33:40I just go, when it's him against Ben Brown, it's a horrible starting point,
33:45or against Michael Jordan, or against Sidney So, who were terrible against the Jaguars,
33:50and are probably starting again on Sunday.
33:52We'll see about that.
33:54I wouldn't be shocked if Michael Wenu was back at guard this week.
33:57Oh, that's true.
33:58But we'll see.
33:59We'll see on the health of Aaron Lowe.
34:01But absolutely, that's a mismatch of Quinnen Williams versus Ben Brown,
34:05especially if it's also against Michael Jordan.
34:07I think that obviously Michael Wenu should be able to hold up better against Quinnen Williams,
34:11given the contract that he was given.
34:12But yeah, I mean, Alex Van Pelt said today, Patriots past protection has been better.
34:19I asked him how much Drake Mays' style of play can help drag down the pressure rate.
34:25He didn't lend a lot of credence to that idea.
34:28Did he say, like, what do you mean by that?
34:29Yeah, first of all, he said, what do you mean by that?
34:31And I have to kind of clarify that, obviously, the defense has to focus on Drake Mays' athleticism.
34:38It's better downfield passing, some of those other things.
34:40And he basically said, like, yeah, I mean, if he can scramble out of the pocket,
34:43then that can, you know, cause the defense not get a pressure.
34:48But that's not really necessarily what I was getting after.
34:50But either the Patriots past protection has been better over the last two weeks,
34:54or Drake Mays helping it one way or the other.
34:56It's not as much of a disaster as it's been early in the season.
34:59And Ben Brown has certainly been helpful in that, better than Nick Leverett.
35:04Their best offensive lineman, I think, the last two weeks.
35:06Yeah, and I think potentially moving Michael Wenu back to guard full-time could help.
35:11It still creates some issues to tackle.
35:12But overall, I mean, yeah, it's still an issue,
35:15but it doesn't seem like it's as big of an issue as it was early in the season.
35:18Yeah, all right, let's stick with the matchups.
35:20We usually do three matchups, two keys, one wildcard thought,
35:23and then do some game picks.
35:24We'll just get into it again.
35:25People want something other than a breakdown between the 2-5 team versus the 1-16.
35:30Here we are.
35:31So, Quinton Williams, whether he's on the interior versus Michael Jordan or Ben Brown
35:35or Mike Unwinu, who's a good point, he'll be back at right guard.
35:37If the Bedarian low is the left tackle, because that means Demontre Jacobs,
35:41who I thought played better, that people gave him credit for against Jacksonville,
35:44would flip back to the right side in this constant windshield wiper action
35:48from him going on one side to the other with the Patriots' offensive line.
35:51What else are you looking for as far as matchups where this is a battleground
35:55that could kind of swing the war that will be Sunday?
35:57I mean, the big one is the Jets' wide receivers against the Patriots' cornerbacks
36:01because last time I checked, the Patriots only have one Christian Gonzalez.
36:05They've not cloned him yet.
36:06And the Jets have two, arguably three, wide receivers
36:11that you might want to stick Christian Gonzalez on
36:14in Devontae Adams, Garrett Wilson, and Alan Lazard.
36:18Not necessarily the most talented of those guys,
36:20but someone that Aaron Rodgers obviously trusts quite a bit.
36:23Had a big game against the Patriots early this season
36:25and is still getting a lot of targets in the Jets' offense.
36:28And it's just, I've been mentioning it all season,
36:31but like the height of the Patriots' cornerbacks comes into play here
36:34where Marcus Jones is still 5'8".
36:37He has not grown since the season began
36:39and you don't necessarily want to put him out there against Alan Lazard.
36:42Patriots try to put Alex Austin out there against Alan Lazard in Week 3.
36:46He wound up getting torched as well and now he's on injured reserve
36:50and you just don't have a lot of great options there.
36:53So, I've kind of thought about the idea of Marte Maupin
36:58playing a little bit more in the slot.
37:00I don't know if you want to do that.
37:01I think it's going to be a lot of zone.
37:02Yeah, ultimately probably a lot of zone.
37:04But I'm curious, I asked Marcus Covington early in the season,
37:07would you put Marte Maupin in the slot against a bigger slot receiver?
37:11He didn't seem super open to the idea,
37:13but if you were going to do it,
37:16putting him out there against Alan Lazard might not be the worst idea.
37:19Yeah, again, this is a ship where you plug one hole over here
37:24and another spring over there.
37:26Again, that one plug obviously is Christian Gonzalez
37:29and you could double one receiver over there.
37:30But Alan Lazard, we talked about this before the first Jets game,
37:33was a walking mismatch just because of his size.
37:35Lo and behold, the first touchdown of the game is him dragging.
37:38It was Alex Austin.
37:40Yeah, covering his undershirt.
37:42Yeah, all the way into the end zone.
37:43And so, Patriots will have problems.
37:45I think they'll play a lot more zone behind that.
37:47The problem is then, you know,
37:49this is a team that has not been able to generate any kind of pressure
37:52on quarterbacks with down four linemen.
37:54And they have a giant divide dropping back in zone,
37:57which creates a big hole in the middle.
37:59Right.
38:00And so, I'll bring up a guy I already brought up earlier
38:02because I think, you know, we've talked about Keon White at length.
38:05He's been very hit or miss.
38:06Dietrich Wise is who he is.
38:08You know, Joshua Woodchase is not seeing the field anymore.
38:10Daniel Akwale, they need some unlikely source of pass rush in this
38:13to affect Aaron Rodgers.
38:14Because as someone put this week or last week,
38:16he's the head of the snake.
38:18You know, we can look in the back end
38:19and all the different coverage elements
38:21that they're going to have to address
38:22and probably spin the dial.
38:23You need to get pressure on Aaron Rodgers
38:25because this is a guy who's banged up.
38:27His mobility is limited.
38:28You did not pressure him last time
38:29and he's probably going to figure out what you're in.
38:31But that won't matter if you get interior pressure on him.
38:34And that falls to guys like Akwale
38:36and they can kick Keon White inside.
38:38But, you know, Keon White,
38:39of all the players in their defensive line,
38:40will draw extra attention.
38:42So, that's a guy, as tired as he is,
38:43he can get his career high in snaps on Sunday
38:45after 21 plays.
38:47You just need a little more rush from him,
38:49a little more oomph.
38:50So, he's someone that I'm looking for.
38:52All right, two keys to victory.
38:53I'm going to go with mine.
38:54This is simple.
38:55I think they have to score on defense
38:56or special teams to win on Sunday.
38:59I think that's probably very true.
39:01And, like, they have not been doing a good job
39:03at, you know, getting turnovers,
39:06scoring on defense.
39:07I think that those are the things, obviously,
39:09that Bill Belichick's teams over the years
39:11did a very good job of doing.
39:13And we just haven't really seen that much so far
39:14from the Patriots this season.
39:16So, that's definitely a big one.
39:19I think someone in that receiving core
39:23is going to have to spring and lose for a big game.
39:25And it's tough to figure out who that's going to be
39:26because the Jets...
39:28What does that mean, though?
39:29Like, is it 100 yards?
39:3280 to 100, yeah.
39:34And I don't know if it's going to be Demario Douglas
39:36because, I mean, he was sick last year, last week.
39:40And, like I said, Jets have good cornerback play.
39:43DJ Reid's going to be back in this game, I believe.
39:46Obviously, they've still got Sauce Gardner.
39:48So, those two outside...
39:49Hasan Redik, by the way, is going to finally play
39:51some football in the year 2024.
39:53So, I mean, I think it probably, like, in all reality,
39:55it probably is going to have to be Demario Douglas
39:57because those two outside cornerbacks are very good.
40:00I know Keishon Booty's going to be out there on the sideline
40:02demanding the ball.
40:03But, like, if he's out there at X-Wide Receiver
40:06and Sauce Gardner is covering him,
40:08I don't think you necessarily want to take that chance
40:10against Keishon Booty.
40:11I know he beat...
40:12What's his name?
40:13Stingley for a touchdown.
40:15So, it's possible that he can beat one of those
40:17first-round-type cornerbacks for touchdowns.
40:20But I do think it's probably going to have to be
40:22a really big game for Demario Douglas.
40:23I think he's going to have to spring loose, yeah,
40:25for 100 yards.
40:26Like, for them to win the game, yes, 100 yards.
40:29His first career 100-yard performance.
40:32Demario Douglas had 92 against the Texans
40:35a couple of weeks ago.
40:36That was the most since Christmas Eve 2022.
40:38So, yeah, it will take some minor history here
40:40for the Patriots to win a home game against the Jets,
40:42who, again, they're vulnerable.
40:44They have weaknesses.
40:45They are not all together.
40:46They are less than the sum of their parts right now.
40:48And I think Devontae Adams will be more on the same page
40:51as Rodgers.
40:52But, you know, it's going to take some good bounces.
40:54And maybe it is a broken tackle for Demario Douglas
40:56or someone else to get free and get those easy yards
40:58that right now are just not coming for anyone else,
41:00by the way, because the Patriots have two of the worst
41:03six receivers against man-to-man coverage
41:05in the entire league, according to the PFF.
41:07And that's KJ Osborne and Jalen Polk,
41:09who Polk, right now, with a concussion,
41:10has not practiced either day.
41:12Doesn't look like he's going to.
41:13Yeah, probably won't be playing.
41:14So, it's probably going to be Douglas, Booty,
41:16which is Osborne.
41:17Probably an upgrade, considering his performance
41:19the last three or four weeks.
41:20I mean, the Patriots also can't win
41:21if they're going to be averaging, like,
41:22two yards per carry.
41:23So, that's another big one, too,
41:24is that they absolutely have to run the ball better.
41:26And, I don't know.
41:28I mean, I think having Romandre Stevenson back,
41:30more healthy, will help.
41:32I also think Stevenson and Terry Gibson
41:35were just so hesitant on that Wembley Stadium field.
41:38And Tank Bixby wasn't.
41:40So, that was their issue, doing that.
41:42But I do think playing on Gillette Stadium
41:44might help a little bit there.
41:45All right.
41:46A wild card thought.
41:48I'll let you go first.
41:49Okay.
41:50I know, if you listen carefully,
41:52I did not buy you any time for your key to this game.
41:56And so, I went quickly, and then you stammered
41:58and agreed and took some time,
42:00which I am now buying some time for you to think.
42:02So, take it as I call ourselves out
42:04for the earlier part of this show.
42:06My wild card thought is,
42:08I'm very curious what this crowd looks like on Sunday,
42:10because it's a short distance, obviously,
42:12for Jets fans to come up if they want to see their team.
42:14And especially if they want to see their team win,
42:16which, as we know, they have not done
42:17very often this season.
42:18They beat the Patriots.
42:19They beat the Titans.
42:20And that's been it.
42:21So, I'm curious, in a way,
42:23that we saw a lot of Fenway Park this year,
42:25to be frank, until about late June.
42:27You had Philly fans.
42:28You had Yankee fans coming up,
42:30and consisting of at least 30, 40,
42:32maybe 50 percent of those crowds,
42:34which sucked, by the way,
42:35because I've sat those games,
42:36got my tickets at game time.
42:38And it not only was just not enjoyable,
42:40but especially when the other team scores,
42:42that's all you hear.
42:43It's like you had been somewhere else.
42:45So, I'm curious about the percentage of Jets fans
42:47I'm curious what the first quarter looks like,
42:50because you had Boo Birds
42:52the last time they played here,
42:54after the Patriots called two runs
42:56and did not put the ball in Drake May's hands
42:58in his first start on the first or second play.
43:00I don't think those Boo Birds
43:02are going to wait even that long
43:04if you have a run stuff on the first play.
43:06So, this crowd, I think,
43:07will be the best temperature we could take
43:10of Patriots fans in a while,
43:13because everyone's excited for Drake May.
43:15And that excitement's still there,
43:17but around the team,
43:19I don't know why else anyone would go to this game
43:22on Sunday, other than it's going to happen.
43:24I'd say my wild card thought is that...
43:27Is that enough time?
43:28Yes, I think it was.
43:30My wild card thought is that
43:33Patriots offense needs to be a little bit less predictable
43:35in their play calling.
43:36I know that it wasn't necessarily like...
43:38There was just so many first down runs
43:40against the Jaguars,
43:43and they started off fast without doing that.
43:46And for Drake May, 100%,
43:49he has been very accountable.
43:51He's been taking responsibility.
43:52He did say after the game that
43:54they were kind of put in tough situations
43:57on second and third and long,
43:59where it wasn't necessarily
44:00the most advantageous situations.
44:02And I think a lot of that was running early
44:04when they weren't able to run the ball.
44:06So, I think my wild card thought is simply
44:09that I'd like to see
44:11a little bit less predictable play calling.
44:13I don't want to see them call first down runs
44:15four times in a row or whatever it was
44:17last time against the Jaguars.
44:18Switch things up a little bit more
44:20and just simply rely on Drake May.
44:22Drake May has been the only positive about the Patriots.
44:25Would you put him in the run game?
44:26We still haven't seen it yet.
44:27Zone reads, power reads, QB runs.
44:31I don't know.
44:32I don't know if it's worth the risk.
44:34Maybe...
44:35That sound that you just made, I think,
44:37was Drake May from the future.
44:38After getting hit by CJ Mosley.
44:41One of those plays I just cited.
44:43That was very much like trying to get up.
44:45He's already scrambling enough.
44:47I know that it could help improve the run game,
44:49but I also think the run game was good enough
44:51early in the season that you can figure it out
44:53without having to do that.
44:54What about four times?
44:55Would you call four plays, including options?
44:58I mean, I think it starts with one.
45:01Are you willing to call one?
45:02I would not call four options in this game.
45:06But I would more...
45:08I would prefer to see Drake May throw the ball 50 times
45:11than call four run plays for him.
45:14That's interesting.
45:16Yeah, I mean, there's an element of
45:17how do you protect yourself, right?
45:18And does that come on the 40th drop back
45:21or how much you risk?
45:22Which, this is getting into the very end of the weeds here.
45:25But I get the point you're making
45:26because you're guaranteeing some sort of tackle,
45:28generally, if you are calling those runs,
45:29versus him taking them.
45:31He's been pretty good at protecting himself
45:33on the run, though, I will say.
45:34Yeah, yeah.
45:35Sliding, getting down, getting what he can
45:38and then giving up on the play.
45:40It's not a similar situation
45:41like Jaden Daniels from last year,
45:42who's just getting blown up on plays.
45:45May has done a good job at doing that.
45:47All right, game pick?
45:49I am picking the Jets to win this game.
45:53God, I would go 24-14.
45:59I think the Patriots can generate some offense,
46:02but the Jets' defense is tough enough
46:03where I don't know if we see three touchdowns
46:05from Drake May again in this game.
46:06I think it's still pretty solid performance from him.
46:09I just can't go so far as to say
46:10that they're going to do it again
46:12and score three touchdowns against a defense
46:14as good as the Jets.
46:15And I do think the Patriots' defense
46:17will continue to struggle,
46:18but once again, maybe not to the same degree
46:20that they did against the Jaguars.
46:21Yeah, it's tough because, as I said at the top,
46:24baked into this game is,
46:26what is the Patriots' level of buy-in for Jarrod Mayo?
46:29What is their toughness?
46:30That's the measuring stick
46:31of what this game is going to be.
46:32And I think you will see that for most of the first half.
46:35Hell, the Patriots might have a lead
46:37at halftime in this game.
46:39But ultimately, as I say many times,
46:41the talent is the talent.
46:42And that gap is so wide right now
46:44between these two teams.
46:45I don't expect the Patriots to play
46:47either the luckiest or the closest-to-perfect game
46:50that they've had all season.
46:51They've actively regressed.
46:52That's the big issue with this team.
46:54And that's why it's on coaching,
46:55is that they've just regressed
46:56from weeks one to weeks two.
46:57I think this ends up the Jets pulling away 27-13.
47:02In a way that, weirdly,
47:03even for a team that covers by almost double,
47:06fans feel better about.
47:08Because maybe it's 14-13, 17-13,
47:12going into the fourth quarter,
47:14and you just had a drop here or a strip sack there,
47:18and the Jets get an easy one.
47:20But I think the Patriots need one of those to win.
47:22It's too hard to see right now.
47:24It really just ultimately can't be a 34-0 game.
47:28That's the one thing that they absolutely have to avoid.
47:31Because I don't know what this looks like
47:33a week from now if that happens.
47:35And we haven't seen one of those games yet, really.
47:37We saw a few last year.
47:39Sure did.
47:40We know what happened to the head coach then.
47:41Which is, to be clear,
47:42not what is going to happen to Jarrod Mayo
47:44after this season, no matter what has been said
47:46or reported or alluded to elsewhere.
47:49Would be absolutely shocked.
47:50Yeah, oh, 100%.
47:51I would be completely shocked, too.
47:53It's crazy.
47:54Silly talk.
47:55Okay.
47:56No silly talk here.
47:57Only serious football analysis.
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47:59I'm Andrew Callion.
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48:16Enjoy the game on Sunday as best as you can.
48:18College football slates, eh, on Saturday.
48:21I haven't even looked at it, really.
48:22Yeah, I was looking forward to Penn State, Wisconsin.
48:25It's going to be in Wisconsin.
48:26And there's stuff at Penn State
48:27that we're not going to talk about right now
48:28that has me a little less excited to talk about that.
48:31Anyway, I will be back.
48:32Film Mondays, we'll be back in my office.
48:35No more roadshows here.
48:37And then we'll continue the Patriots play
48:39at the Titans next week.
48:40So more football to come.
48:41Lots of stakes on Sunday.
48:43Enjoy the games.
48:44All right, back here with another 4-Minute Drill.
48:46The only rule, you can't run out the clock
48:47on a 4-Minute Drill.
48:48Joe Milton's certainly done that over his career.
48:50First-time guest in Pat's Interference.
48:52You know the deal.
48:53We've talked about it.
48:54I think I have more questions for you
48:55than any guest so far.
48:56So we're going to try to go rapid-fire here.
48:57You ready?
48:58Okay, starting the clock.
48:59Number one, if Joe Milton wasn't famous
49:01for being a quarterback
49:02and his arm strength for having a quarterback,
49:04what talent would you be most famous for?
49:07Playing the drums.
49:08Really?
49:09Yes.
49:10Tell us more about that.
49:11I feel like what I can do with drumsticks
49:14and what I learned over my life and growing up
49:18and also Drumline's my favorite movie.
49:20So I feel like handling the drumsticks,
49:24I actually was playing the drums yesterday,
49:26so handling the drumsticks very well
49:28and being able to just come up with beats.
49:31So I have about four minutes worth of questions
49:33off of that, but we got to keep this moving.
49:35Next one.
49:36So you came from an offense where I know you told me
49:38it was one word and go.
49:39That was the whole play call.
49:40You're up to 16, 17 now.
49:41How did you go from one word to 17?
49:43What were you studying like over the summer at home?
49:45Just hearing it out of my helmet.
49:47You know, my girlfriend, Destiny,
49:49she did a lot from just, you know,
49:52just calling out a walkie-talkie.
49:53I bought some walkie-talkies off Amazon
49:55and they had some earpieces,
49:57so that's pretty much what we did.
49:59And then when we went to Fort Lauderdale
50:01with the receivers, Pop, you know,
50:04he called them out and I just called out the routes
50:07and then we kind of just lined up in the living room
50:10and kind of just snapped the ball.
50:12Was that before or after you busted his hand?
50:14Because he spilled those beans on this podcast
50:16earlier this year.
50:17I did see that video.
50:18He did spill those beans.
50:19That was before.
50:20That was like when we first got down there.
50:22All right, let's go back to Knoxville.
50:24Give us a big man on campus moment,
50:26whether it was a perk or a party
50:28that you just looked around and said,
50:30okay, it's good to be Joe Milton right now.
50:34Big man on campus moment.
50:39Sheesh.
50:40Sheesh, man.
50:41A lot of things running through my head right now.
50:43You don't have to hide any of them.
50:44You can just zoom in with one good time.
50:47Could have been after win, middle of the week,
50:49whatever it was.
50:50Big man on campus moment.
50:53I'll say after...
50:56Sheesh.
50:57I'm going to say after Vanderbilt game
51:00when I crowned myself after the touchdown,
51:03everybody just started chanting Joe.
51:05So that was pretty...
51:06Yeah, it was like more of a King Joe, King Joe,
51:08and that was pretty lit.
51:10All right, back to the play calls.
51:12Spit out right now, either from your Michigan days
51:14or if you feel comfortable enough,
51:15the offense you're in right now.
51:16Just a long play call for us.
51:20Okay, let's go Michigan days.
51:22Let's go X right, X right two, twin right.
51:28We got Q eight, max bomb, lines left.
51:33Yeah.
51:34Of course, and I don't know this for a fact,
51:36he called a deep pass play because he's Joe Milton.
51:39It was a bomb deep left.
51:40All right, before you had your current girlfriend,
51:42how did Joe Milton break the news
51:44that he was breaking up with someone?
51:47Just stopped talking to him.
51:48You ghosted?
51:49Yeah, I ghosted.
51:51I'm not going to lie.
51:52I'm not going to lie because the camera guy ghosted for sure.
51:54Yeah, you and Ramindry too, disgraceful.
51:56Can you do a Drake May impression?
52:00A Drake May impression.
52:01All right, let's see.
52:08We got to go, bro.
52:09Come on, man.
52:11We got to go.
52:12We just got to go.
52:13But it's okay.
52:14That's me.
52:15That's me.
52:16That's me.
52:17All right.
52:18When does he say that?
52:19That was awesome.
52:20Usually being in practice, like on the Wednesday practice,
52:24like if it's like a goal ball that was supposed to be thrown
52:29and somebody run a hit,
52:31just because they seen it a little bit different,
52:33you know, he'll come back after his reps is over
52:36and be like, man, we got to go.
52:37We got to go.
52:38You got to run the goal ball.
52:39I'm trying to throw you the goal ball.
52:40Okay, speaking of got to go, we got 15 seconds.
52:42I got two questions for you.
52:43I can't wait to face this defense or player in my NFL career.
52:46Who is that?
52:47Or what is that defense?
52:48Anybody.
52:49I just want to show why I'm the best and why I think I'm the best.
52:52Okay.
52:53Normally we end with what's your least favorite media question.
52:55You've been very smiley so far.
52:56What's one question you would like us to ask?
52:58Next time we have a big scrum, we got more cameras.
53:02What else do I like to do other than throwing a ball deep?
53:06I always just thought about like media, you know, I mean,
53:10obviously my arm is, you know, very impressive.
53:14Um, I was blessed with that talent, but, uh, just more about,
53:17you know, other, other things that I do at the quarterback position.
53:20All right.
53:21There it is.
53:22Next time we talk to Joe Millon, we might be talking about that.
53:23And definitely a lot of the drums and maybe we'll get another
53:25impression out of them.
53:26That's Joe Milton for pass interference podcast.
53:27We'll see you next time.
53:45Okay.
53:46Bye.
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