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00:00:00 And we are live. We'll let people trickle in. That's Carl Corzine. I'm Evan Marinovsky.

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00:00:21 first deposit. Carl, all I got to say is wow. I have one word written on my notebook and

00:00:28 it just says, wow. Wow is all I've got. That was my biggest takeaway is wow for a lot of

00:00:36 reasons, but wow is my big one. What about you?

00:00:39 Well, I got more than wow. Sorry about that. Thank God you have more than wow.

00:00:47 Yeah. I think that in the first two periods anyways, that's as well as Boston's played.

00:00:54 Well, certainly in this series anyways, but in a while, I think their four check again

00:01:02 forced Toronto to think. I think that really got frustrating for Toronto. And then that

00:01:08 power play goal by Marchand, I think that broke their spirit a little bit. I think it

00:01:14 was right. Like both teams on each side got a soft call against them. I think Dolby's

00:01:20 cross checks to the back is a little soft, maybe a makeup call for McAvoy's trip, but

00:01:28 Boston capitalizes. And the rest of that second period, there wasn't much pushback from Toronto.

00:01:34 And then you get scored on with 22 seconds left going, right? I think 22 seconds left,

00:01:41 a tough, a tough series of events there for TJ Brody and in the back of the net. And that's

00:01:48 the end of the game right there.

00:01:50 It was. And what's funny is I'll be, I think everybody was sweating that third period after

00:01:54 Marner scored. Cause you know, I mean Bruins MO all season has been with close leads late.

00:02:02 They're not, they're not the best team at it. They're one of the worst. And I'm, you

00:02:06 know I'm like, Oh shoot, here comes a comeback. The leafs kind of you know, there was a rise

00:02:12 in the crowd and it was, you know, they were more into it and they were more aggressive.

00:02:16 And then Nylander takes that penalty. And it's like, that is a microcosm of the series

00:02:22 to me, right? Just when Toronto claws their way to a point of, you know, tying things

00:02:27 up or coming back, they shoot themselves in the foot. Like, what is that? I mean, that's

00:02:33 an offensive zone penalty you're taking and a guy to breast did not have a stick.

00:02:39 So you're just, just box them out. You don't need to grab them by the shoulders and pull

00:02:43 them down. And they did. And then they took that and that killed their momentum. And then,

00:02:48 you know, I mean that was after Joel Edmondson almost scored twice. So there were so many

00:02:53 moments you can point to in this game where, you know, things just went haywire for the

00:02:57 leafs. And I mean, you look at the end of that second period, I don't know if you saw

00:03:00 the clips on Twitter of of Marner Matthews and Nylander getting into it on the bench.

00:03:07 Matthews didn't come out for the third. They think that he's injured. They bring in Joseph

00:03:11 wall who looks a lot better than Sam Sona. I think we can, we can assume that wall is

00:03:15 going to get the start in game five. But you know, again, I want to say that state this,

00:03:23 this series is not over. I know it's three one. I know the leafs look like garbage for

00:03:27 motor, not garbage, but they did not look good for most of that game. But I mean, you

00:03:33 can't help but feel great about where the Bruins are at because this, I mean, it's not

00:03:38 shocking, but I mean, they played as good too. Like they played two outstanding games.

00:03:44 I thought in the last two games against Toronto in Toronto.

00:03:48 Yeah. No, you can't ask for more than what the Bruins did on the road. I think when you

00:03:53 talk about shooting yourself in the foot and I'm obviously not just looking at, at penalties,

00:04:03 but Toronto was undisciplined, but like they made Brad Marsh on a priority tonight and

00:04:10 that didn't help their game. And it did not at all. And what you look at, like anytime

00:04:17 you're playing on the road, you're trying to play within your structure, right? Which,

00:04:22 which Boston did an amazing job tonight. Right? Like the, the goal was certainly shutting

00:04:28 down the stretch pass. They, they eliminated that by closing off the red line, taking away

00:04:35 the walls with the defense. I mean, sorry, with the Ford's holding that line. I think

00:04:40 we got to get the whiteboard out. We got to get the, we got to get the big whiteboard.

00:04:44 You know, we got to, we got to diagram it all out. I think that's what we need. It's

00:04:47 that time of the night. I know I was trying to figure it out because

00:04:50 they had, they had been, they had been changing up their four chapter every now and again.

00:04:55 I was trying to just figure out like, all right, like what is it? Cause you look at

00:04:59 a Bruins first goal and they're playing some sort of two, one, two, right? Like where both

00:05:07 the first two four checkers for, for Boston are following Toronto's defense. But then

00:05:12 at other times they had pulled back into the one, two, two, and it all came down to one

00:05:16 of two things, right? Can F can the second four checker from Boston get right on top

00:05:21 of Toronto's second demon. If they couldn't, then they were pulling back into that one,

00:05:25 two, two, or if they weren't getting a, an extended or not getting a dump beyond the

00:05:31 tops of the circles and they would immediately pull back and you would see that Bruins winger

00:05:36 take away the stretch pass. They just, the structure for, for Boston was, was excellent

00:05:43 tonight. Like obviously yes, Toronto, you know, out chances Boston eight or nine to

00:05:49 two there in the third and you felt like Toronto was coming back. But two road games like that,

00:05:55 uh, for Boston, it's an unbelievable place to be three to one going, going back into

00:06:01 Boston, uh, come Tuesday night.

00:06:04 You nailed it on the structure. You look at tonight, just tonight, right? Like, you know,

00:06:09 Maple Leafs are pressing in that third period. They're trying to make it a one goal game.

00:06:14 They're, you know, they're getting some chances. They had a really tough time getting through

00:06:18 the neutral zone even after Marner's goal. And when they did, the Bruins blocked a ton

00:06:22 of shots. You saw that in the final two minutes where they were just blocking everything.

00:06:26 Nothing was getting through. They were defending from the middle, like just smart hockey and

00:06:32 structured hockey. And I, I'm, I'm not, I'm impressed because it's like, you know, you're

00:06:36 in Toronto, the place is starting to jump up again.

00:06:40 The Maple Leafs have some momentum and they didn't break. They didn't break. And I think

00:06:44 that, you know, you see like, that's how the Bruins are going to win. If the Bruins are

00:06:48 going to go on some kind of run, clearly they're not going to outscore teams. They're not going

00:06:53 to, you know, win track meets. They're going to play structured hockey. They're going to

00:06:58 be annoying to play against that. I thought that Frederick Heinen and who was, who else

00:07:05 was on that line? I'm blank. Oh, van Riemsdyk. They, they pinned the Maple Leafs in their

00:07:10 own zone a lot.

00:07:12 Frederick was a menace and you saw it on that first goal van Riemsdyk scored where that

00:07:16 was just great for checking and it led to low ride pinching. And then your guy, van

00:07:21 Riemsdyk scores the goal.

00:07:23 Yeah. I mean, and again, I want to be theater Montgomery. I think we had talked about it

00:07:29 prior to game three, just in a, in a text exchange. Oh, I thought that those were panic

00:07:35 moves. I did too. I did too. Yeah. Right. Like get van Riemsdyk in, get low ride in.

00:07:43 I thought lower, I looked excellent tonight. Like you play with more confidence, more urgency.

00:07:50 But van Riemsdyk, I can't believe the goal. And this is why anytime you find yourself

00:07:56 that wide open, which is a great four check by Heinen forces a turn or not the turnover,

00:08:01 but the play to go up the wall and low rise, smart pinch.

00:08:04 Anytime you find yourself, maybe this is me, right? Like that's why I'm sitting in my chair

00:08:10 at 11 o'clock at night, not on the ice, but anytime you find that yourself that wide open,

00:08:15 it's just like panic and you want to like skate around that goalie, but he just calmly

00:08:21 takes it, force the Samson off to open up his legs. And then it's through the five hole.

00:08:27 That's an unbelievable, unbelievable play for a guy that's, you know, for the first

00:08:31 whatever two games is sitting in the stand. So yeah, good, good call by a good call by

00:08:38 Montgomery to get him in. And you look at, at Marshawn's goal to as, as much as that

00:08:42 is deception on McAvoy's part, like as, as coil makes that pass, he goes back into McAvoy.

00:08:52 Van Riemsdyk is all in Samson off face, right? He can't see him around. You can see him trying

00:08:57 to look and that, that allows that pass to, to be a reality for the, for the one time

00:09:01 or vendor.

00:09:02 Ben Riemsdyk has been good. He had chances the other night in game three to finish that

00:09:07 off and be a presence on, on the power play. A good calls by Montgomery. And I will say

00:09:14 it, I didn't say that before game three. I think I probably said panic and they're going

00:09:21 to lose, but, but it's good job by him.

00:09:25 And I, and even look at like on D right. We're talking about those roster moves. We talked

00:09:29 after last game where we were like, all right, we'd tweak this, we'd tweak that. Now Shattenberg

00:09:33 and low-ride were the deep pairing out there when Marner scored. But I didn't find them

00:09:39 to be liabilities. You mentioned lower. I like, I thought Laura had a fantastic game

00:09:43 tonight. I didn't count many mistakes.

00:09:47 You know, he, he was aggressive. He tried to score a through the legs goal at early

00:09:51 with the game was zero, zero. It was crazy. Like that is, that's like just the, the, that's

00:09:56 where like, it is good that he's inexperienced. Like, you know, it just saying like, screw

00:10:01 it. I'm going to try this. Wotherspoon was great. I thought Wotherspoon had a really

00:10:06 good game, a lot of good outlet passes.

00:10:10 You know, he had, he gave himself time. He made like, that's what I love about Wotherspoon

00:10:14 is he makes simple plays. You know, he knows he's not going to dangle through a bunch of

00:10:17 people. He knows he's not going to, you know make the, you know, the, the, the seam pass

00:10:22 that leads to a breakaway just makes the smart first pass. And I think that he's good at

00:10:26 that and, and he has a reason.

00:10:27 He's in the lineup and that's kind of why, and it's also shutting the other team down.

00:10:32 So I had no problem with the lineup at all tonight. I thought like every line was solid.

00:10:38 I thought that fourth line buzzed. Boquist was great. Like you can go up and down the

00:10:42 lineup of just guys who were contributing. And to me like Boquist, I don't know if you

00:10:47 saw, I tweeted a play behind the Bruins net.

00:10:51 There was like a, a battle and it was like two Leafs, two Bruins, and then Nylander comes

00:10:57 in as the third guy and he puts himself in a bad position. And then like, you can see

00:11:02 him battling and then he disengages. And then Jesper Boquist is one of the Bruins in there.

00:11:07 Just hits them, right? Just, just bumps them up against the, against the glass and Nylander,

00:11:11 you can see like disengages where it's like, he just like stands there. And then Boquist

00:11:18 just puts his stick in the battle, pulls the puck out and they go on a three on two the

00:11:21 other way.

00:11:22 And so like, it's just, I thought Boquist was great tonight. I, you know, would you

00:11:27 make any lineup changes going into game five?

00:11:29 Yeah, I don't think I had, I don't think I had a lot of issue with any of the lineup

00:11:35 tonight. I think everyone by and large played well. I think we did, if we're being fair

00:11:39 to our people, our fans watching comment section, I think we did say that Pasternak was right.

00:11:47 Like I know that he scores.

00:11:48 Yes, I agree with you. I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna stand by you on this cause I was, I'm

00:11:52 right there with you. I'm right there.

00:11:53 By and large in that first few periods, again, he scores their 22 seconds left, but he did

00:11:59 not engage in a battle tonight. He didn't, he didn't win any wall battles. He turned

00:12:05 pucks over and in, in the defensive end and he had no interest on the four check tonight.

00:12:12 So we're like moving forward in the series. And if they're, you know, if they're able

00:12:17 to get out of the series, you need him to be your best player. And he had a hard time

00:12:21 tonight. I still do think against a possession team where they got, you know, looking at

00:12:26 it right now, Shatnick Kirk only played 11 minutes tonight, 11 Oh seven. I think against

00:12:33 a possession team, right? Like maybe that didn't play out the way Toronto wanted it

00:12:41 to tonight, the way that they play the game.

00:12:42 But I would probably slot in Shatnick Kirk cause I think you'd probably be more willing

00:12:47 to play Grizzlik more minutes than you, than you played Shatnick Kirk. That's probably

00:12:51 the only thought that I would go with, but everyone else I thought played a good game

00:12:57 tonight. Yeah. And I, again, like I think the fact that you're winning with Poster not

00:13:02 getting shut down a bit, I know, as I said, I know, as you said, we know we had that goal.

00:13:07 Um, but the fact that they don't shut down, well, no, when I, when you think of the term

00:13:15 shut down, it's a, I'm thinking it's leading people to believe that Toronto's hard. They're

00:13:20 all over. I'm like, I've, as I've seen it, this is me, this may not be you, but Toronto's

00:13:27 focused on Marshawn, every shift finishing hits, every whistle going after him. I haven't,

00:13:35 I haven't necessarily necessarily seen Toronto do that to Poshna. I just feel like Poshna

00:13:41 knocks. He hasn't played well. I'm just going to go with that. He hasn't played well.

00:13:46 I can get down with that. I have noticed the Leafs going at him a bit though, especially

00:13:50 when he's on the ice. I have. And so I think that a combination of that, but the fact that

00:13:55 the Bruins are getting that secondary scoring, right? Van Reem's dike, uh, you know, there's

00:13:59 the game one thing and playing as structured as they have. And I thought posture rock in

00:14:03 the second half of that game or the third period was a little harder on the four check.

00:14:08 Not quite where should have been. Uh, but I still, I still think, um, that, uh, that

00:14:14 you could have wanted more from posture knock in this game, but obviously scores that goal

00:14:18 by the way, if Brad Marsh in, if they, if he didn't, if posture, not didn't finish that

00:14:22 chance in front, can you imagine like Twitter? Oh, I'd have to put my phone down. Like Twitter

00:14:28 would just be on fire. If Marshawn passed up shooting on a breakaway and posture, not

00:14:33 didn't score that. Like that was my big takeaway. Like, thank God that went in because if it

00:14:37 didn't, Oh boy, that would have been rough. Um, what, what'd you think about that? About

00:14:44 that goal in general? My, my frustration would be with, with me, if I'm a Maple leaf fan

00:14:51 in that situation, there's 32 seconds left in the pier, whatever that is, 28 seconds

00:14:56 left and you allow, you allow Boston time and space to kind of break out. Like no pressure

00:15:03 left if you go back and watch, watch the tape, it's everyone kind of sagging back past the

00:15:12 red line, putting no pressure on Boston and allow them, allow them time and space to make

00:15:16 plays. Like I know it's kind of disjointed. I don't remember who the defenseman is that

00:15:21 I think it's McCabe that initially makes the, uh, read to step up on Zaka and then, uh,

00:15:28 Bodie kind of in a tough spot there and, and kind of jumps at the play, leaving a two on

00:15:33 all, but why no four check? That's the thing that's frustrating. Yeah. I mean, I don't

00:15:39 think pastor Knox ever going to miss that opportunity right there. Um, but it's a, a

00:15:44 nice play, right? Like more deception there by Brad Marsh on selling the shot and then

00:15:48 going back to order posture. Not Sam's own off was rough. That's the other thing. Like

00:15:53 you mentioned that power play goal earlier, where he completely over commits to McAvoy

00:15:56 shooting, even though McAvoy never shoots on a, on the power play ever.

00:16:00 And he's still over commits and leaving the net open for posture for Marshawn's a one

00:16:05 timer. It's clear they're going to go with wall in game five. I think that's pretty obvious

00:16:10 that they're going to go to wall for that. Here's the big question. What are the Bruins

00:16:15 do? What are the Bruins do in net for game five? No, they're going right to swim and

00:16:20 they have to, right? You just, I think they show it tonight that they're going to go away

00:16:26 from it. I think there was a sense of urgency to put your best line up out there, right?

00:16:31 You allowed swimming to get hot. You continue that on Tuesday night, you put them right

00:16:37 back in there. I don't think, I don't see at this point that in this series, you go

00:16:41 back to all Mark, unless you know, swimming gets hurt and or has back to back poor games.

00:16:48 Well, and, but I don't, at that point that would be game seven, right? Am I doing the

00:16:53 math? Yeah. If he goes back to Mac back game five, poor game six, poor. That's I don't

00:16:58 think you're going to see all Mark in the series again.

00:17:02 I don't think you're wrong. I think the fact that they went to swim in tonight means that,

00:17:07 you know, I mean, he owns the leafs right now. Like, how do you go away from that? I

00:17:12 honestly, like, you know, you can make, there's an argument to be made and I, I want swimming

00:17:17 in game five, but the other argument would be, Hey, go with old Mark. You know, you're

00:17:22 up two games in a series. No, no, I'm not. I'm not saying I want that. I'm saying that

00:17:27 the others I'm giving, I'm giving some games to the other side of the argument. The argument

00:17:31 for Omar would be bring Omar can do the rotation again. Don't have swayed and play three games

00:17:38 in a row. And then, you know, if he wins the series over and if he loses, you can go to

00:17:43 sway him into the final two games.

00:17:45 I still think sway men should be the guy I do. Swayman is too good right now at one play

00:17:51 that I think will get looked over, but I was really high on this when it happened right

00:17:55 after the Marner goal, William Neelander had a chance right in front and he cut to his

00:18:00 backhand coming through the slot and sway men just on his stomach made the save. And

00:18:05 like, to me, that's been swaying in this series, right? Like even tonight, there weren't a

00:18:09 ton of high danger chances for the leafs. There weren't a ton of like grade a looks

00:18:14 because the Bruins played really strong, sound structured defense. Right. But on that play

00:18:21 Neelander could have easily, easily scored and sway men made that save.

00:18:27 And I think that again, like the way sway men's playing, he's locked in, he's the rebounds

00:18:30 are not bumping out to me. Like you got to go back to sway men, you know, cause tonight

00:18:36 was the knockout punch putting sway men back in and now you go for the series and you keep

00:18:42 swaying in. He's been your, your, you know, one of the biggest X factor for you this series.

00:18:45 I think. Yeah. I think why they went back to him tonight was to what we talked about

00:18:50 after game three, try to steal a game in Toronto. Not that he stole the game. Why they won the

00:18:59 game tonight was by and large due to their structure, right? Like your, why you didn't

00:19:04 see a lot of great a's was because of what happened in the neutral zone. Like Toronto

00:19:10 wasn't able to hit their stretch pass. They weren't able to play with speed and because

00:19:15 they weren't able to hit that stretch pass, whether that was being able to create off

00:19:19 the rush or create zone time by establishing their four check.

00:19:23 That never happened throughout the whole, throughout the whole game. So swimming didn't

00:19:27 have to be as, as good as he needed to be. Now Boston's capable of, of having that same

00:19:33 effort on Tuesday night. It doesn't matter who's in the net, but I'm going right back

00:19:37 to Jeremy swimming and I'm, I'm not even going to look back for the rest of the series. Like

00:19:41 I understand what the other side might say, but let's get the win. Go with your best lineup.

00:19:50 That best lineup is Jeremy Swain.

00:19:53 If Swain is to have a bad game in game five, no, would you go to all mark and game six?

00:19:59 No. Interesting. No, no. I mean, I think I have a lot of confidence in the fact that

00:20:05 he's not going to have a poor game, right? Like, uh, what did I hear on the radio today?

00:20:11 One of the staff, Oh God, Frederick school, right? The other day was the chances of that

00:20:18 going in were less than 1%. I don't feel, I don't feel like swimming the way he's playing

00:20:25 the way he's carrying himself. He's not going to have one of those goals. And in order for

00:20:29 him not to get, not to be able to play in game six would be, you'd have to see two and

00:20:36 three of those. And that's just not going to happen. That's just not happening. You

00:20:39 can see the way he's moving. You see the way, and this is, again, I am not a goalie expert,

00:20:44 but you, you see the way he's tracking the puck, the way they tracks the puck allows

00:20:49 him to prevent second chance opportunities. He's just been lights out right now. And I

00:20:55 don't, yeah, he, it would have to be a total collapse of, of Boston for him not to play

00:21:01 well at this point.

00:21:02 I agree. I do wonder though, like you think back to last year, right? Bruins are up three,

00:21:08 seven coming back from Florida. Oh, Mark was the guy. And I remember we sat here and said,

00:21:14 should they go to sway men in game five, just to kind of switch things up. And Oh, Mark,

00:21:20 what did we say last year? I'm a swimming guy. So I could have seen myself saying, Oh

00:21:25 yeah, let's go to, I want to say we debated it heavily. Cause we, we didn't really feel

00:21:32 passionate either way. I think we were more like, I can go back and try to find it after

00:21:36 this, but I think we were very much, very much like maybe it wasn't that it might've

00:21:42 been whether or not they should sit Bergeron to rest him for the next series.

00:21:47 That was another thing we really got into. So I, I think goaltending wise, we were kind

00:21:53 of, you know, we might've been more on the side of stick with old Mark, but again, I

00:21:56 can go back and check, but I do wonder if that lingers in their heads of like, Oh man,

00:22:02 we don't want sway men to break down here. And I don't think he will, but I'm saying

00:22:05 like, I wonder if it's in their heads of like, Hey, this would be three in a row. It's the

00:22:10 playoffs. We were going to do a rotation, but he's so hot right now. Like that's the

00:22:16 problem is that it's not like they're winning these games five to three and six to two.

00:22:21 Like he is playing great. Now tonight they only had the maple leafs at all strengths,

00:22:27 right? Including power play, you know, a six on four, they had seven high danger chances.

00:22:34 The Bruins had 13, eight, seven, like that's not a lot. So again, it was a good game from

00:22:43 sway men. I stick with sway men. I mean, do you think they're thinking about, I mean,

00:22:51 they're definitely thinking about all Mark for game five, but I mean, I'm, I'm guessing

00:22:55 they'd probably air on the side of sway men given who they picked tonight.

00:22:58 Yeah. Mike, my guess would be as a coach, Montgomery is thinking, let's go right back.

00:23:04 To sway men. I don't know what the internal conversations are looking like from, from

00:23:10 management. I would think that they're probably more the group that's kicking around the idea

00:23:16 of going with all Mark, but I think right. Eventually Montgomery is going to make the

00:23:21 decision and I think you've got to go with the hot hand. I, I, right. He's played enough

00:23:25 hockey has been around the game. He's won championships at different levels. So in his

00:23:31 head, he wants to close it out. You want to close it out on Tuesday. You want to get your

00:23:37 team as much rest as you possibly can. You're going to be in an environment that will be

00:23:43 passionate on Tuesday night for it to end. Right? Like I think Boston fans are, are obviously

00:23:51 intelligent fans and they're going to want as much rest to, to gear up for what would

00:23:56 be right. Like if Boston gets out of this series and plays the eventual, right. Like

00:24:01 we think the eventual winner being the Florida Tampa, Florida is going to be, that's going

00:24:05 to be a physical series and you want to have as much rest as you possibly can. So you're

00:24:12 trying to, you're trying to win on Tuesday night. That's right. Like that's a goal every

00:24:17 night, but I think you put aside and I think I saw one of the commenters go, if you want

00:24:23 to start the rotation in the next year is go ahead. But right now, right now you go

00:24:29 to Swammon and you win Tuesday night. Like I think a little bit tonight and yes, Toronto

00:24:35 played much better in the third period, but I think you broke their spirit in the first

00:24:41 few periods and especially on that power play goal. And most certainly, right? Like the

00:24:47 seed of doubt that goes into your mind after you get scored late on late, like that's a

00:24:51 frustrating way to go. And I give Toronto credit for, for playing well harder in the

00:24:57 third period, but to go to lose to a get to lose two at home when by and large, this has

00:25:05 been an even series and your teams are in your teams are pretty close across the board.

00:25:16 That's that's, it's hard. It's going to be hard for Toronto. Like if Toronto wins this

00:25:21 series, kudos to them. That will take a lot of resiliency. And obviously it's, it's dependent

00:25:29 on what Matthews looks like. If he's capable of playing on Tuesday night, but without him,

00:25:36 I don't think they have a chance.

00:25:39 So interestingly enough, Sheldon Keith says doctors pulled Austin Matthews due to an illness

00:25:44 that he's been dealing with. So again, I know that, you know, people have mentioned he's

00:25:50 kind of looked like he's been laboring the last two games. They obviously pull them out

00:25:54 before the third tonight. Keith also said the decision to pull Sam Stone off was simply

00:25:59 about trying to change things. The game five starters TBD. I think we know where the game

00:26:03 five starters probably going to be for them.

00:26:07 I just, you're right about, they were broken in that second period. I mean, then they're

00:26:12 getting booed as loudly as humanly possible off the ice. And you know, you got them fighting

00:26:19 on the bench and like, but see, this is where like the last year thing comes into my head.

00:26:25 Right. If you remember last year in game four, they were going at all mark. Remember the

00:26:29 pant? Like there were like, there were scrums and there were like five, you know, five guys

00:26:33 all squared up.

00:26:34 I mean, not like fighting, but you know, grabbing each other. And I remember us sitting here

00:26:38 being like, the Panthers are broken. The Panthers are broken. And like, you know, no one expected

00:26:46 what the Panthers did last year to happen. So that should be stated. The Leafs have some

00:26:51 real issues here. Goaltending being chief among them, special teams, their power play

00:26:56 did not cash in tonight again. And they had multiple chances. I mean that the, the, that

00:27:02 slashing call on posture knock in the third, I mean, that was soft, like that was a soft

00:27:07 call, but they get it, they get it.

00:27:09 And then they don't do anything with it. Like, so like to me, it's right now, the Leafs have

00:27:14 some big issues, goaltending, special teams, Austin Matthews, like those three right there,

00:27:23 barrier issues. And if you can find a way to solve two of them, maybe you get back in

00:27:26 the series, but I don't know.

00:27:29 Well, you're in this, you're in the series. If your power play is half decent. Oh yeah.

00:27:36 The other night they have five power play opportunities and you have that much talent.

00:27:41 I mean, to have, to be able to put out Martin or Matthews, Riley, Nylander, Tavara, that's

00:27:49 your unit. That's as good as it gets in the national hockey league. And to go two straight

00:27:55 games without, without a power play goal, that's not good enough. And so it's the specialty

00:28:00 that really, cause much, I don't think Sam's on off was the problem tonight. I think he

00:28:05 doesn't help you.

00:28:06 No, I don't think he was. I don't think he was the problem either.

00:28:08 Yeah. At some point that power play, it's got to get going in order for, for you to

00:28:16 be successful in the series. And it just, and there's no reason I'm going to go a double

00:28:22 negative here. So I don't want to do that. I'm going to try to talk my, I'm going to

00:28:25 try to be a teacher at St. Mark's and talk my way out of the double negative here. Yeah.

00:28:32 The power plays got to get going. They can't win the series. If those players don't play

00:28:39 to the, to their capabilities and to this point, which of, which of Toronto's best players

00:28:48 have played to their level. Matthews until tonight, you know, has been really good. Everyone

00:28:53 else, everyone else really hasn't, hasn't, hasn't given you much. Is that fair?

00:28:58 I think that's very fair. I mean, did you see Paul Bissonette rip into Mitch Marner

00:29:02 in that second intermission? I don't know if I, I don't know if you saw it on Twitter.

00:29:05 Did you see it?

00:29:08 I'm watching Nesson. So I didn't, you got to tell me, you got to send me clips here.

00:29:14 I should, I should send, I should send you the clips. You can watch it after, but the

00:29:18 gist of it, I can't do it as well as, as biz did. But they, someone just said the chap,

00:29:25 can we, can we stop talking Leafs? Can't stand them. Unfortunately that is who the Bruins

00:29:29 are playing. So we do have to discuss the Leafs a little bit. I'm sorry, David.

00:29:34 But biz ripped into him, you know, and they showed examples of just him not trying like

00:29:39 second effort, not being there, not going for you know, for, for, for loose pucks you

00:29:47 know, just soft penalty killing coverage, things like that. And they are, it is wild.

00:29:53 Like, you know, I remember there was that clip coming out of Boston in one of the first

00:29:57 two games where he just kind of avoided, yeah, that play. And it's like, Whoa. And then you

00:30:03 see these clips and it's the same. It's like, Oh my God. And, and, and you know, he scores

00:30:08 in the third, but you do like, you're right.

00:30:11 Their best players have not been good. I think. And, and there was a commenter I just put

00:30:15 up on the thing that the Leafs have been ass. And I don't think that's, I don't think it's

00:30:20 a hundred percent, but it's definitely a big percent of why this series is three, one Bruins.

00:30:25 The Bruins have stuck to their structure and they're winning the way that they want to

00:30:29 win because the Leafs big guns just have not, have not been there. And that's in part due

00:30:33 to the Bruins though. And their structure, I think.

00:30:36 All right. So I did see that in the comment section where someone said, Oh, stop talking.

00:30:40 The Leafs gave that game to the tonight. Tonight's game was about the Bruins, especially in the

00:30:45 first two periods. Like the Bruins made, they made more adjustments here in the neutral

00:30:51 zone this evening in order to, to limit offensive, not only, not only just offensive opportunities

00:30:58 for Toronto, but zone entry and zone time. Toronto didn't have that through the first

00:31:02 two periods at all. That was all on, that was all on Boston. Now, if you're looking

00:31:06 at the series series in entirety, yeah, the Leafs, the least best players haven't given

00:31:11 you haven't given you anything. And now the one thing to look at will be the first 10

00:31:16 minutes of the game on Tuesday night, because you're going to, you're going to get an initial

00:31:20 push from Toronto. They're going to give you your, their best shot. They'll come out of

00:31:24 the locker room with a game plan. They'll probably be heavy. They'll probably lean on,

00:31:29 right? Like I think the, I think Toronto's fourth line has been good. I think you probably

00:31:33 see them two, three shifts early in that first 10 minutes to establish that they're going

00:31:37 to be really physical. If Boston can push back, if they can hang in there in the first,

00:31:42 then it's over, right? Like I, if you push back, if you, not even if you score, but if,

00:31:49 if you can establish some high danger opportunities, if you can get established your four check,

00:31:54 if you can slow the game down on Toronto, then I think Boston will be in a good spot

00:31:59 in a good spot after that initial 10 minutes on Tuesday night.

00:32:03 I agree. That's a huge thing. Cause in game one, the Leafs came out like that in game

00:32:08 one, the Leafs came out firing those first five minutes, couldn't score. And that kind

00:32:13 of screwed them the rest of the game. I would, I wouldn't. And again, like Sheldon keeps

00:32:17 coaching for his job. I think that can't be understated. Like they're, they are going

00:32:22 to be an urgent team. They should be an urgent team on, on Tuesday. You know, any other team

00:32:29 would be urgent. I, you know, again, they're, they're too good to be, to, to have had this

00:32:36 little success in the series. But again, I think it goes back to, and I've, I've said

00:32:40 this throughout the series and prior to it, if the Bruins play to their structure and

00:32:45 play to what their strengths are, they will have, they will have success in the series

00:32:50 and we've seen it.

00:32:53 And I, and I, like one other thing I mentioned prior to the series was the Leafs are not

00:32:58 good on the PK. This is a real opportunity for the Bruins power play to come alive. And

00:33:02 it has, I mean, they got another tonight, their power play goal tonight. And I just,

00:33:08 you know, again, I, things are going right for them. Things are going right for the Bruins.

00:33:15 And I think that that's, you know, I think for the most of these people watching tonight,

00:33:18 that that's a good thing. There's a lot more I want to get into from this. We're going

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00:35:04 So this just came out. Now this is interesting. Jim Montgomery told TVA sports in a post-game

00:35:09 interview that the plan was to give one start to each goalie and play the one that was hot

00:35:14 after. That explains why Jeremy Swaman played again tonight. It's not a bad plan, not a

00:35:19 bad plan at all. Um, so, you know, again, like make sense. So I think that's a little

00:35:28 bit disingenuous, right? Like if you look at the, and see who got hot after one game,

00:35:35 all mark wasn't the reason they lost game game two. He played well. No, not at all.

00:35:40 Like, so you went back to Swaman in game three, he was really good. You're two and

00:35:46 old with him and you go with, you go with him again tonight. Um, I don't know. Yeah.

00:35:55 I mean, but the thing is like, like if they win game two with all mark is all Mark starting

00:36:01 tonight. Yeah, probably, probably. Right. Like I would assume cause it's like, Oh,

00:36:07 they're both just doing well. Let's just roll with it. So like, but I think it's cause

00:36:12 he lost. And I think Swain has just been so ridiculous against the, the least this year,

00:36:17 like Swain and owns the leafs at this moment. Right? Like I think it's six and Oh, now six

00:36:23 and Oh, this season against the leafs, regular season and postseason included. Cause now

00:36:27 he's got three wins in the playoffs and they get three wins during the regular season.

00:36:32 Chat can correct me on that if I'm wrong, but I think it was six and Oh, like he's in

00:36:36 their heads on stuff like that. And I think that as we said, you got, you gotta go back

00:36:40 to him in game five and I would assume they are given Montgomery's comments.

00:36:44 Yeah. And I think, uh, Montgomery said that the other day after the game, after game three,

00:36:50 right, that Swain was in their head, kind of alluding to that, uh, dust off between

00:36:55 Dole me Swain and, and, and, and Maroon, which obviously I don't think Sheldon Keefe took

00:37:03 too kindly to, but he has been, he's been great. And I don't know what the matchup is

00:37:07 or it's something in, in Swain's head, but he, he's been as good as it gets in the playoffs.

00:37:15 So yeah, six and Oh, you roll them right back out there on Tuesday and see if Toronto can

00:37:20 beat them.

00:37:22 That's the biggest thing. A quote from Sheldon Keefe. You can question a lot of things. You

00:37:26 can't question the effort. I probably, I would disagree with that. It's a capacity. I'm not

00:37:33 the quote from, from Sheldon Keefe, uh, 17 minutes ago. You can question a lot of things.

00:37:41 You can't question the effort. I'm assuming he's talking about the leafs. Um, so again,

00:37:47 I would disagree with that. I think the leafs have not been great in the effort department

00:37:51 in some areas of the ice, but that's just me.

00:37:55 So I think you look at it and if you're looking at effort, I think they're five on five and

00:37:58 especially their four check is at times is, has been really good early on. I think if

00:38:04 you're looking at it from an effort standpoint, maybe tonight is one of those spots where

00:38:08 they, you know, five on five, they didn't get their best, but I think in large, and

00:38:12 again, I will put this on the Bruins in large part, that's being, they're frustrated by

00:38:16 the structure of the Boston Bruins in the special teams department. You don't often

00:38:22 and you've watched enough NHL hockey and so of the commenters, the penalty kill for Toronto

00:38:30 is just low energy, low urgency, low active sticks that I can't, I can't understand. They

00:38:43 don't take away lanes and Boston power, Boston power play is good, but they're not, right?

00:38:50 Like they're not to this level. And I mean, you look at Marchan's goal, right? Coil the

00:38:56 no look pass to McAvoy at the point, like that should be picked off, right? Like that,

00:39:02 that shouldn't get through. And then, and I, there's a lot of things there. And again,

00:39:07 it's good. The Bruins power plays getting going. And I think that they, they've been

00:39:10 sparked, but it's also like the Leafs PK has been bad, been really bad.

00:39:16 And as I just, it's plays like the one I just mentioned where it's like, how does that get

00:39:19 through? We sound like Leafs fans. We do. No, but we're trying to evaluate that. We're

00:39:26 trying to honestly evaluate it. I can't just make, they suck. There's a reason for it.

00:39:30 And we're, that's what we're discussing. Yeah. I think the, the effort if right, cause we're

00:39:37 responding to Sheldon Keith that you can't, you can't fault the effort. I think you can

00:39:43 on the special teams. I think, especially on the penalty, the penalty kill is all effort,

00:39:49 right? There's some level of that. And you're not, if you're giving, and the, and the, why

00:39:57 I'm saying that is because that second goal after what Domi's Domi's penalty and let's

00:40:03 call it what it is. That was soft call. Yeah. I do. That's a makeup for like Charlie McAvoy

00:40:10 slash off that rush. That's a soft call too. But don't like in the playoffs that happens

00:40:16 on every shift, you let that go. That's a non-call. And then you go from, and usually

00:40:23 that's when you kind of bear down, you understand where you're at in the game, right? You understand

00:40:31 that you're going to need to kill that. Any second goal here from Boston is going to be

00:40:35 a backbreaker. And that goal was a backbreaker and it's opportunities that clear you don't

00:40:42 right. Not closing out on McAvoy. You know, the issue that I would have on Sam Soanoff

00:40:51 on that goal is never, if you go back and look, never takes a peek to his left as just

00:40:56 where is Marshawn, right? Like, cause he got an outside the dot. Is he inside the dot?

00:41:00 Is he up at the top of the circle or like he's out on the hash marks? Like he never

00:41:06 takes that peak. It's as if he has committed to the shot for McAvoy. So, I mean, that's

00:41:12 hard to really fault him on that, but just their penalty kill effort hasn't been good

00:41:17 enough. It hasn't. And this person, the can says way more heart. And I think the Bruins

00:41:23 had a lot more heart tonight. You know, whether it be structure, closing in on guys you know,

00:41:29 cutting, you know, closing off lanes, forwards coming down deep in the zone and taking away

00:41:34 any passes to the slot to hide it.

00:41:36 Like I just thought the brew, like it was a team win. I know that sounds so dumb and

00:41:41 cliche, but it was like, that was a team win. That was not like, you know, last game, you

00:41:46 know, it was, it was a team win also, but it was, you know, Brad Marshan and Jeremy

00:41:51 Swain had a great game and it was really those two. And we can get to Marshan in a second.

00:41:56 Cause he had, I think he had another strong game tonight, but tonight to me, that was

00:41:59 a team win. And you know, I see some people mentioning like, Oh, what do you think of

00:42:04 Dan Hein and Dan Hein needs to get going this and that like Heinen helped create that first

00:42:10 goal for Van Riemstein.

00:42:11 Like if you can get something, if you can get, if you get a play like that out of Heinen,

00:42:16 you should be pumped. And I know like he produced a little bit during the season or a lot more

00:42:21 than we all thought he would during the season. And people kind of want that to translate.

00:42:25 And it'd be great if it did, but if he can just four check the hell out of teams, play

00:42:30 smart hockey, do his job. If the production's there, I mean, you're going to want it, but

00:42:37 if it's not, you'll take it.

00:42:38 If he's doing, if he's making plays like that, I don't have the score sheet in front of me.

00:42:42 I don't know if he got a point on Van Riemstein's goal. I don't think he did. I think I thought

00:42:48 it hit Frederick stick and then lower, I poked it down, but you know, but I don't think he

00:42:52 did, but like that's, he had a big hand in that goal. So to me, I've been fine with Heinen.

00:42:57 Oh man. I just, Heinen is a modern day PJ Axelson. I love it. Yeah. Similar, right?

00:43:04 You played with PJ, right? I played on, I played on a line with him for my limited,

00:43:10 limited time with the Boston Bruins. Just someone that was always in the right position.

00:43:15 Uh, wasn't overly fast. Didn't have a ton of, he, or right. Like didn't have a ton of

00:43:21 skill, but, um, obviously he had enough skill to play in the national hockey league, but

00:43:25 how about didn't wow you with his skill, but it was a really productive player because

00:43:29 he made, he made other players jobs around them easier because he was in the right spots.

00:43:35 And I think that's what you read. I think that's pretty accurate. That's what you're

00:43:37 getting out of Dan, Dan, Dan Hein, right? Like seems to be in the right spots. Maybe

00:43:43 you want a little bit more from him cause he's got some skill. You want him to produce

00:43:47 at a higher level. I don't think that that's what Boston's asking for. You're asking him

00:43:50 to be a secondary score. And I think, right, like you're going to get that, like that production

00:43:56 production tonight being good on the four check, you know, forcing someone to turn the

00:44:01 puck up on the, on the strong side wall. So right. Like that's what you want from him

00:44:07 on any given evening, make others jobs around you better chip in when you can. Um, and so,

00:44:14 yeah, I would obviously, I think people are asking if he stays in the line. I'm sure he

00:44:18 stays in the lineup. I think he's been pretty good this series.

00:44:22 I think he stays. I don't think you make any lineup moves going into game five. I think

00:44:27 you have your line set. Your, your lines are working. I think that fourth line is coming

00:44:31 together. Maroon Beecher, Boquist. I've liked that. I thought Maroon actually looked pretty

00:44:37 good tonight. He was better than the ozone. He was better and you know, Beecher contributed.

00:44:43 And I, as I mentioned earlier, I thought Jesper Boquist was great. I thought Boquist was really

00:44:47 strong tonight and just, he pushes the, the, the play and I, you know, he he's physical

00:44:52 and I like that.

00:44:53 And the third lines worked as we just mentioned. And by the way, because the access was just

00:44:58 mentioned people that it's happened last game when, who, who, someone met, what did they,

00:45:03 someone mentioned a second rounder that you played with? Um, I'm blanking on the name,

00:45:08 Jonathan Gerard, Jonathan Gerard. If people just mentioned like late nineties, early two

00:45:13 thousands NHL players, Carl probably ran into them or played with them at some point. And

00:45:18 we'll just do the whole show on like, it'll be like, you know, uh, uh, Freddie Meyer.

00:45:23 And uh, you know, we know Freddie obviously cause of prep, but it'll be like, Oh, I remember

00:45:27 Freddie was, you know, played with the thrashers. And so maybe we'll get, just keep naming random

00:45:32 players and, and, and we'll hit those.

00:45:34 Oh yeah. Let me know. I think we've, the one thing that we've missed and I've seen it pop

00:45:38 up quite a bit and maybe goes on unnoticed how good Brandon Carl has been throughout

00:45:44 the series. Like he's, he has been steady defensively at times has been physical. I

00:45:50 think obviously I think it was game one or game two, he chips and chips in with a goal,

00:45:55 but I don't think you can ask for much more from Brandon Carl. Like if you're getting

00:46:00 this consistently, the Bruins are in good shape because obviously you have Charlie McEvoy

00:46:05 was one of the better defensive, like all around defenseman, defenseman in the league.

00:46:10 And you need that second pair to be able to shut people down. And I think he's been, I

00:46:14 think he's been excellent. Like, I don't know what his advanced stats look like, but from

00:46:18 the eye test and what it looks like, uh, watching the game here at home from Framingham, Massachusetts,

00:46:24 Brandon, Brandon Carl, I just got to make sure I get a Framingham reference every, every

00:46:29 show.

00:46:30 I like it. I can respect that.

00:46:31 Brandon Carl has been excellent. So advanced stats wise, he was, so this is where like,

00:46:36 I agree with you. So advanced stats wise, he was the worst on the five on five. He was

00:46:41 out chance seven to 26 at five on five time. But again, I think advanced stats don't apply

00:46:48 to him or not don't apply, but they don't apply as much just because he's playing so

00:46:55 much in the D zone. He's getting that Matthews matchup. So to me, like I've loved Carlo in

00:47:01 the series, I think in his own zone, he's been great.

00:47:04 Like I, this is where, that's what I mean. Like, I agree with you in the sense that the

00:47:07 advanced stats aren't going to show it because he's getting the Matthews matchup. He's getting

00:47:11 a ton of D zone starts. I mean, I can scroll over and see like, um, he had a 7% offensive

00:47:19 zone face-off percentage, meaning all of his stuff was not in the ozone. That dude spends

00:47:24 no time in the ozone because he's, he's constantly either starting shifts in his, his own zone

00:47:30 or, or, um, you know, uh, you know, getting that harder matchup. So, um, I agree with

00:47:35 you. I know I scared you for a second there. Yeah, he did. Uh, is this true from Riley

00:47:40 errands? The last two series had the ruins up three, one with Toronto.

00:47:46 Keep in mind two, two out of the last three series. So it was 2013. They almost blew it.

00:47:54 I remember that. And then it was 20, 19. They were, I want to say 19. They were down

00:48:04 three to after. Yeah, they were. Cause they had a stinker in game five. So it was 18.

00:48:11 If this was, it was 18. So people can check. I think it was 2018 that they were up three,

00:48:15 one as well. So that's, that's why I don't, I, this series is not over by any means. I

00:48:23 do not think the series is over. I think the Leafs do have a path. It's just, I don't have

00:48:28 confidence in the executing that path, but that's not going to make me say like, this

00:48:32 is done. The Bruins are going to win in five. Like I'm not even near that. I was convinced

00:48:38 they were going to blow that lead in the third period. I was convinced I was like this. I

00:48:43 texted at the beginning of the third period. I texted Connor Ryan and Ty Anderson. And

00:48:46 I said, actually I can read what I texted them. I said, uh, I said, where is it? I have

00:48:53 to scroll back a bit. Cause they were ripping on me. I texted them. Oh boy. Uh, I said it'd

00:49:02 be classic Bruins for them to blow this lead late and lose. And Connor goes, Evan, I swear

00:49:07 to Christ. And Ty goes, why is Evan the way he is? And then when, when, when, when Marner

00:49:14 scored Ty text me, he goes, Evan, let the record show that I will kill you with my bare

00:49:18 hands. So, um, again, like, but I expected them in that third period to have a little

00:49:23 more, you know, not to have as much success as they did. So I'm happy. I'm happy that

00:49:27 they did very happy that I was wrong. So that's good.

00:49:30 Yeah. I mean, obviously throughout the regular season, Boston had a difficult time holding

00:49:34 leads, uh, especially in third periods and especially it always seemed under a minute

00:49:40 left, they were always letting up late goals. And once Marner got that initial goal, you,

00:49:45 you felt as though, Oh, here we go again, but able to close it out, which is good. And

00:49:49 yeah, I see a lot of people wondering about Charlie coil again. I think when, when does

00:49:56 he establish himself? When does he kind of get going in the series?

00:50:01 I mean, this might be unpopular, but I've never, I've never seen his role in this series.

00:50:07 And again, he's a top six center. So you got to produce, I get that, but he's a shutdown

00:50:13 guy. That's I think that's his role. And I, and he's, you know, like tonight he mainly

00:50:19 faced the Matthews line. I'm pulling up my notes to make sure I'm right on that. Yeah.

00:50:24 And he said the Matthews line, the whole series and look as you know, they ha that has, that

00:50:29 line has had success at times, but for the most part, it's been kept in check and that's

00:50:34 not an easy line to contain, right?

00:50:35 We've talked about this Domi and Bertuzzi are hard guys to play against. And again,

00:50:40 coils that basically in a similar role to like Carlo, just up front, you know, you're

00:50:45 tasked with just shutting down the other team's top line. And so I think that's why the production

00:50:50 for coil has not been there as much as you would expect, you know, but, and Zaka could

00:50:57 be a different story because that line also has not been at five on five. I haven't found

00:51:03 to be super productive unless I'm forgetting something, but yeah, no, I can't remember

00:51:07 either one of them kind of get going. But if you're looking to close out, you're, you're

00:51:12 not going to be able to consistently count on Marshawn to have games. Like he's had the

00:51:19 last two, the last two games in Toronto, right? Like that's not gonna be a reality, right?

00:51:24 Like he's risen above being the target of Toronto's ire. So at some point your other

00:51:31 two centers have got to come to the forefront and, and produce something. And I get it.

00:51:36 I get what you're saying, but like, yes, that's a, that's a really difficult, difficult matchup

00:51:40 for coil to have Austin Matthews, but to defend against Austin Matthews, your goal should

00:51:48 be then to do what play in the office, then I don't think, I don't think anyone's asking

00:51:56 Charlie coil to score every night, but you're asking him to do something that he's capable

00:52:01 of and that's getting on the four check be great. Like he's not overly physical, but

00:52:06 he can, right? Like his big things to reverse it. Anytime you come to hit him, he's a bit,

00:52:10 he's a large human, but, but can he apply some of that pressure in the offensive end?

00:52:16 Can you force Austin Matthews to have to defend just a little bit? That's I think all anyone's

00:52:21 actually asking. And that would, that'd be a huge benefit across the way. So yeah, he's

00:52:27 got that matchup. It's tough, but he can write like if, if producing in this series is playing,

00:52:35 having some offensive zone time, he's going to do a little bit better there.

00:52:39 I wouldn't disagree. I wouldn't disagree with that. I can get on board with that. I mean,

00:52:42 I think, you know, again, like, and you're going to need him next series, obviously to

00:52:48 produce, you know, and, and how those, again, if they've advanced, if they advance I just

00:52:54 looked Zaka and coil both have two assists to this point. I think Zaka was a minus three

00:53:00 entering tonight. So again, like that's why it is remarkable. The Bruins are winning this

00:53:05 series because you know, it's been their power play and goaltending and team structure. Like

00:53:11 that's legitimately the reasons they're winning. And yes, you've got a secondary scoring score

00:53:15 goal. You had Van Riemstek tonight. You had Carlo and a Beecher in game one and you had

00:53:23 who else did you have? You've had other secondary scoring in the series but your top six five

00:53:29 on five has not been scoring, but again, it's goaltending and defense and that's their strength.

00:53:35 And that's, that's why they've been good throughout the, throughout the playoffs. Right. I mean,

00:53:39 not the playoffs, but the rain Frederick and Frederick, Frederick last game, the beautiful,

00:53:42 the beautiful snipe that went in. Let's talk Marcian. Okay. Cause Martians having a hell

00:53:49 of a postseason. Last I checked, he was tied for the league lead in points. I, I, it hasn't

00:53:55 updated on the ESPN app, so I can't see if he still is, but you know, just makes that

00:54:01 great play on that on postural school where he forces you know, the puck around, I forget

00:54:07 which defender was back for Toronto, but forced it around him and then made the smart pass

00:54:10 over to, to post or knock.

00:54:14 Is that Brody? Yeah. Oh, he's the one that he got kind of caught in no man's land. He

00:54:20 makes the read to try to take that pop and Marcian steps around him. So yeah. And then

00:54:29 and then he also scores on the power play, which, which I believe I just, I just want

00:54:35 to make sure I have this right before I spread some fake news. It was so that, so that goal

00:54:43 moved him past cam nearly for the most playoff goals in Bruins history. That is absolutely

00:54:48 crazy. Like insane. I know you played, we mentioned it last time you played against

00:54:54 him in the minors. You thought, you know, his motor was incredible, but to lead the

00:54:56 Bruins when original six franchise and playoff goals, I can't be understated how much of

00:55:02 a success his career has been.

00:55:04 Yeah. That's a kind of a Testament to cam nearly, right? Like that group to like his

00:55:09 career shortened and he still had, I think it was 55 goals through Bruins playoffs. Right?

00:55:17 Because I think tonight was Brad Marsh on 56, how good cam nearly was. Yeah. That can't

00:55:22 be understated. I know you're a little bit, are you a little bit too young to remember

00:55:27 cam nearly as play? Oh God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've, I know what he did and I've

00:55:33 caught up on it, but I mean, I was born in 99 so I was, I missed that completely. I mean,

00:55:38 I, I like, I missed the Joe Thornton Bruins days. Like I, I can't, you know, my, my conscience

00:55:44 kicked in when I like in like, Oh six when I started watching the Bruins. So I learned

00:55:49 that

00:55:50 1999. Yeah, I'm a 99 Carl. I'm a 99. When's your birthday? This is like, what, what, what

00:55:58 month? February, February 13th, February 13th. All right. So that was, that was my sophomore

00:56:05 year in college. That's pretty scary. Evan, you were born and I was 20 so awesome. There

00:56:13 you go. There you go. You know what? Someday it'll be, the roles will be reversed, you

00:56:18 know, and I'll be sitting on a show with someone who was 20 years younger than me and I'll

00:56:21 be like, Holy crap. I mean, it's bad enough at the New England hockey journal. Like I

00:56:25 have to write about kids who were 10 years younger than me. And I'm like, what? Like

00:56:28 how? You know, like you're an Oh wait, you're an Oh nine. Like how, how, how do you exist?

00:56:34 But they do now everyone's chiming in born in 96 coming night. I'm a 1979 turned 45 last

00:56:45 Sunday and you look great and you look great. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, uh, Cam Neely was unbelievable.

00:56:54 Uh, I probably all the, I mean we have two Camerons on our team at St. Mark's and I'm,

00:57:02 I'm pretty sure that, uh, their name, well I know in one case, cause one case it's a

00:57:07 Framingham family. He's named after Cam Neely itself. I mean just the quintessential power

00:57:13 for that could do it all. Um, and for Brad Marsh on to, you know, spring past him with

00:57:21 his 56 goal tonight as a Testament, uh, I think to more that the, the work that he puts

00:57:27 in on a, on a day in and day out basis. Cause there is no, for someone his size, there's

00:57:35 no way he's staying in the national hockey league if he doesn't consistently work. And

00:57:38 I think if you look at where he was early in his career, I think in his first 20 games

00:57:43 he had no points. And then it's like the slow build where you, you can see him consistently

00:57:50 adding elements to his game year in and year out. And you're at this point in his career,

00:57:57 I think he's 36 ish, 35, 36, something along those lines. I know he's turning a new age

00:58:03 soon. So that's like what everybody. Cause so on. I think that's, I think that's what

00:58:08 I saw and not the work, the work ethic that he had on the ice that translates off the

00:58:14 ice and he's gotta be in, right? Like you obviously see the clips of him training with

00:58:19 Sydney Crosby back home and you know, he is as competitive in the weight room. He's as

00:58:25 competitive at practice as he is in the games. And that's the sole reason that he's having

00:58:31 the success that he is. And we'll, we'll always try to tell our kids and it's just in every

00:58:36 aspect of your life. Those that are consistent are the ones that are successful. And he's,

00:58:42 he's consistent. He's as consistent as anyone in the national hockey league. And, and that

00:58:47 is something that he, he does every day. He's not just showing up to the ring for game day,

00:58:54 game four against Toronto. He's like, I'm going to flip the switch and I'm going to

00:58:56 be really good today. Like that competitive spirit that he has tonight, I'm guaranteeing

00:59:01 he is the same way in practice, same way in the weight room. It probably approaches his

00:59:07 nutrition and asleep the same way to try to give himself the opportunity to be as successful

00:59:13 as he can any given evening.

00:59:16 I can't, every time I watched him practice, it's the same. It's that same, just going

00:59:21 hard. And Wayne Gretzky actually on the TNT panel had a great story that he heard from

00:59:26 someone. Did you see that? Yeah. Yeah. About how people should go look it up if they, if

00:59:32 they haven't worked with the rookies, right? Yeah. He spent the whole week working with

00:59:37 the rookies, showing them how to be a brune and everything. And I think it's stuff like

00:59:40 that. I also think it's so impressive given he's going to be 36 on, on May 11th, but also

00:59:46 like this season he struggled down the stretch points wise production wasn't there like it

00:59:54 normally was.

00:59:55 And now he opens the post season and he's among the league leaders for points. Like

01:00:02 I just, to me, what he's able to do, what he, you know, how he's led this year, how

01:00:08 he's seamlessly fit into the captaincy. Like, you know, we've talked a lot in this episode

01:00:13 about the goaltending and this team structure and all that stuff. And it, that's the biggest

01:00:17 reasons, but right there with it is just how clutch Marchand's been and how he set the

01:00:23 tone and how he's so in the leafs head. Jack Edwards said it best. He's so he's between

01:00:27 the ears of the leafs. He's just so in their head right now. And I think that that's played

01:00:31 a major role in the series too.

01:00:33 And I think that that was a short sighted on Sheldon keys part, like the idea of calling

01:00:40 him out at the end of game three. I understand what the game plan is. That is, Hey, through

01:00:47 three games, Brad Marchand has no penalties. How is that a possibility? Hey, referees take

01:00:52 an extra look at him. But I think, I think that had to have been some sort of message

01:00:58 in the locker room because of the way that they approach Brad Marchand tonight, it was

01:01:01 every whistle, every shift go after him.

01:01:04 And that led to this undisciplined, undisciplined approach, right? Like not just not necessarily

01:01:12 taking penalties, but like how they, how they played their game tonight. And that's the

01:01:18 case, right? The cool Swainman might be in their head, but Brad Marchand certainly is

01:01:22 in their head. And that is a, that's a priority of theirs for sure.

01:01:27 It is, it is. And just, you know, again, like the small plays, I mean, he hit Bertuzzi low

01:01:33 tonight. It's kind of, you know, it looks like a hip check, a little lower than a hip

01:01:37 check, but you still did it.

01:01:39 I thought that might've been a penalty there. It was borderline. And I think in, in large

01:01:45 part for two reasons, one, that is that low bridge head is something he's done in the

01:01:50 past and been suspended for, I think, right? Like, I think he got suspended 2014. I don't

01:01:56 remember. I can't remember who the defenseman is that got hit from Vancouver, but he was

01:02:00 suspended.

01:02:01 Oh, that was, um, was that Sammy Sallow?

01:02:04 It could have been, but I think he was, I think he was suspended for, I'm going to have

01:02:09 to do the same thing that I did the other night. Commenters I'm I'm you're walking with

01:02:14 me because you got to put your thing on the charger. We didn't learn. No, I didn't. How

01:02:22 do I know that we're going to go an hour every time? Because these, yeah, no, we have a lot

01:02:27 to talk about it. Yeah. No. What is it? What's the saying? Fool me once. Shame on George

01:02:37 Bush. Messed it up. We can't. It's like, I say that in my head. I don't have the, I don't

01:02:43 have it actually done. Well, fool me once again, fool me again. You'll never do it again.

01:02:48 I had, that was George Bush. Yeah. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me again. Shame on

01:02:54 me. Yeah. My bad. Yeah, exactly. That's, that's exactly what it is. So, but yeah, but now

01:02:59 you're good. I assume you're perfect. Now you get to see that's the, I mean, just out

01:03:03 that back window is a little bit of Framingham greatest city now. Greatest now city in the

01:03:08 world.

01:03:09 There it is. It is a shooter. McGavin said, now watch this drive. Another fantastic George

01:03:15 W. Bush moments. So we got the, we got the GW ones in the air, but yeah, I mean, I, I,

01:03:21 to me like, so this is the question I always ask you around this time of the stream. Yep.

01:03:30 You were a little more pessimistic coming into this series. Has this, has your vision

01:03:38 on this series, has your mindset on this year on this series shifted at all? Yeah, it has,

01:03:46 but I feel like I've done that this twice. I think originally I said Bruins and sex,

01:03:52 then after game, I don't know if it was game one or two game. It had to have been game

01:03:58 two. I said Bruins and seven, I guess. Can I, can I go back to Bruins and six? I mean,

01:04:07 I think true Toronto is too talented to kind of lay down, but if they don't have Matthews

01:04:14 and they have no chance, I think really knee lander was really good tonight. Like from

01:04:20 a skating perspective, I didn't, I didn't assume that he would be able to possess and

01:04:24 skate the way that he did tonight. But yeah, my outlook has changed on the series. I just

01:04:29 don't know where I stand. I want to say six because I think I want it to go longer because

01:04:35 it is such a good rivalry and you know, through the years they've had such close series. And

01:04:42 I think, I think not just on paper, but the, the, the way that the series gone is it's

01:04:47 closer than three one. Like, but I've never seen the Marshawn's gold tonight. Just, I

01:04:58 think Toronto got deflated and I don't think I've ever really seen that.

01:05:03 So I have this, I have a similar take to the one I put up on screen. Bruins and six seems

01:05:08 least likely either five or seven. Okay. I tend to agree with that because obviously

01:05:15 if they win on Tuesday, it's over, but if they win, I mean, if they lose, if the Leafs

01:05:22 win on Tuesday, like, are they really going to drop the ball at home again in game six?

01:05:29 Like are they again going to have a no show or like is, I don't know. I, to me, like I,

01:05:36 you know, or someone else just brought up Bruins have no problem on the road. So maybe

01:05:40 they would win in a game six. I had Bruins and six to start the series. I was, you know,

01:05:45 a little, I was definitely optimistic in the sense of where the Bruins were at.

01:05:50 I'm going to stick with six. I want to stick with six because this person just made a good

01:05:54 point. Evan, you've said six for weeks. I'm not, I'm not going off that. I'm not going

01:05:58 off that. I'm going down with my prediction. I don't think I'll be right. I think ultimately

01:06:02 you want to know what I think. I think the Bruins went on Tuesday. I think the Bruins

01:06:05 went on Tuesday, but I, I'm making on the record. What I just said was off the record.

01:06:11 Nobody's going to record that, you know, off the record. I think they went Tuesday on the

01:06:15 record. My prediction is going to stick. We're going to keep going with Bruins and six. So

01:06:19 no one can use what I just said against me. You know, it's either or so.

01:06:23 No, I think that, I think that's the thing that I'm trying to rectify in my head is I've

01:06:27 said that it was going to be a longer series, but in reality I think that it's, I think

01:06:30 that Boston wins on Tuesday. And here's the thing. We've had a great group of people that

01:06:36 have come out and, and, and listen to us, but no one really cares what I have to say.

01:06:43 I think what my prediction was at the beginning of the series, I, Oh, yes, they do. They care.

01:06:47 Boston and six, they care. No one cares. So I'm going Boston five over on Tuesday.

01:06:54 Like I respect that, but I disagree. I think they do care because there were comments after

01:07:00 the video aired after the last post people being like, we need the whiteboard. We got

01:07:05 to have a whiteboard. So second round, maybe I'll, I'll buy a whiteboard and I'll have

01:07:09 it here and we can diagram some plays and things like that.

01:07:13 You just said second round. Well, I said, if I said, if I didn't hear the F I think

01:07:21 I said, if, well, if I didn't, I meant to say it, I did not hear the F well, if the

01:07:27 Bruins make it to the second round, I'll buy, I'll buy a whiteboard. Well, you probably

01:07:31 have a whiteboard. I've got multiple whiteboards. I was going to say, I have so many whiteboards.

01:07:35 I think I just have two or three thrown out at St. Mark's hanging around places. Like

01:07:41 here's the thing. I, I lose everything. Pens, honestly, pet, never share a pen with me.

01:07:49 I always ask, I always ask people, can I borrow a pen? But I'm not asking if you're going

01:07:53 to borrow the pen. I'm just, I'm going to lose it. Dry erase markers. Those end up in

01:07:59 the washing machine and my pants, they end up stained and then whiteboards. I just leave

01:08:06 them in different places and then I got to go buy a new one, but then you find the other

01:08:11 one. So there are three at St. Mark's right now, just floating around with a fourth one,

01:08:17 probably in the car somewhere. Colton works on a fifth one so we can bring it out. And,

01:08:23 and I just don't know that people really want to see what a one, two, two flood looks like

01:08:31 or two, one, two flood. Like that's, that's no fun, but someone votes. So I just saw a

01:08:36 vote for a whiteboard examples. Okay. The people want the whiteboard. So maybe next

01:08:40 time or if the, if the Bruins made a second round, the whiteboard is like the, the, the,

01:08:45 the surprise of getting there. You know, I don't know. Kevin says, Oh God, please. No,

01:08:52 I assume that's in reference to the whiteboard, right? No, I don't think it's, I don't think

01:08:56 it's in reference to the whiteboard. I don't think it's in reference to that. Um, so there's

01:09:00 a lot with this series that's going to continue. Um, yeah, more people say we want the whiteboard.

01:09:06 So I think that people want it. There's two people, two people, it's everybody. It's allowed

01:09:11 minority. It's allowed minority. Um, I, you know, again, I just, to me, I am surprised

01:09:19 it's three, one, you know, given where I was at the beginning of the series, Bruins and

01:09:23 six, I thought it would be like three, two, and then the Bruins close it out in six, three,

01:09:29 one is, you know, to be in a three, one spot. Like I, I mean, again, like during when, okay,

01:09:37 we'll go back a bit, right at the deadline. I know you and I texted about it when they

01:09:41 were considering trading Lena Solmark. I was very against it. Cause I'm like, that is your

01:09:45 strength. Your strength is in net. You can, you know, you can go out and if the trade

01:09:50 was going to be Omar for a score or whatever, like, you know, you can add scoring, but you're

01:09:56 still not going to outscore these other high end scoring teams.

01:10:00 One player is not going to make that difference. The difference is having two legitimate goalies.

01:10:04 So Omar came in in game two, Swayman has done, you know, uh, three of the four games and

01:10:10 he's hot and he's going to probably play in five, but just to have, to have Omar there.

01:10:16 I also just think that, you know, they're winning with their strength and they're a

01:10:20 bigger team. The Bruins are bigger than they have been in past years, right? Frederick

01:10:24 is playing more physical. They have guys like Morgan geeky. You have Pat Maroon. They're

01:10:29 just, they're bigger and they protect the puck more. And I like that. So again, like

01:10:36 they're winning with their strength. And I think that that's a good thing as well.

01:10:40 Yeah. I think maybe that's something that I underestimated and I, and I don't remember

01:10:45 there was a point in the, in the year where I said this and I think even to you and I'm

01:10:50 getting there in this series, I have respect for Morgan geeky's game. Like I think that

01:10:57 that's right. Like he's not quick, but you see him out there on the power play. He does

01:11:04 a little bit of everything. He may not be great at anything, but I think that that's

01:11:10 someone that Boston's going to look at maybe investing in for some time now. I don't know

01:11:16 what that term looks like. I don't know if that's three, four, five years, I think five

01:11:20 years, but he's, he's young enough. He can play a possession game, especially low in

01:11:27 the offensive zone. He can, he can make some plays. I've really liked, I've really liked

01:11:34 his, his series. Yeah. I mean, you go back to that trade deadline and I, and I think

01:11:42 you could, you could see what that, what, what's when you write, I don't want to like

01:11:48 what management really thought of the team. Like you didn't want to invest too much cause

01:11:52 you really weren't bought into the fact that they could make a deep run. If they were ever

01:11:57 going to have a chance, it was that a goalie was going to get hot or right. Like if you

01:12:02 had both what you're talking about, if you had all Mark and Swainman that at any given

01:12:06 night they could win you a game. And if one fault, you know, if one floundered, you just

01:12:12 go with the other guy and that guy could pick up from there and when you were serious, like

01:12:15 that is their strength. I think too. And, and I think, I don't know if it was after

01:12:24 game two, but I think in game three and four Montgomery has been really good, right? The

01:12:29 key he's, he's coaching to his capabilities. He's clearly, he's clearly a great coach.

01:12:37 And this is why I say this for Boston to lose Bergeron, right? Creche and to, to put out

01:12:48 that raw, that roster, the and or loft. Yeah. Right. Right. Like add others, right? Yep.

01:12:54 To put out that roster and for them to put up 109 points this year, he's clearly a great

01:13:00 coach in the last two games. I think he's, he's proven that I think he has made the adjustments

01:13:07 that he needed to make to get that team, to put them in a position to win. And I think,

01:13:15 I think that's good for, I think that's good for, I think that's good for Boston moving

01:13:21 forward. If they can close it out, I'd like where he's at too. I just want to be honest

01:13:28 because I was critical of him in game two. I think like, where are those adjustments?

01:13:33 Why no in-game adjustments? Why no period of period adjustments? And then the last few

01:13:38 games he settled in and he's, he's been really good.

01:13:43 He's outcoached Keefe a lot in these last two games, big time. It's interesting because

01:13:51 one thing that I haven't loved, you know, that Sheldon Keefe has done in these last

01:13:55 two games is the match-ups have remained the same. The top two lines go against each other.

01:14:00 The bottom two lines go against each other. Now, obviously like tonight, Marner scores

01:14:05 with what, you know, low Ryan Shattenkirk are out there together that I forget if it

01:14:10 was after a penalty or something that that's why those two were out there, but he gets

01:14:14 that. But I was more, I'm surprised he hasn't tried to have, you know, the Matthews line

01:14:20 out there, Matthews line out there when like a Beecher and Boquist that line is out there.

01:14:26 And is that in part because Pat Maroon is there and he feels he needs to counter with

01:14:30 Reeves? Like, is that like, is that a matchup advantage for the Bruins? I'm just surprised

01:14:35 that he hasn't gone for those matchups more forward line versus forward line.

01:14:39 Yeah. I can imagine that Patrick Maroon is like, you, you feel like you need to have

01:14:46 Ryan Reese out there. I don't think that Maroon, I know we've talked about this for certainly

01:14:51 from a pace perspective. I don't think that Maroon impacts the game in the same way that

01:14:56 Ryan Reeves, it would be a, if that is the case, then that certainly is a shell and Keith

01:15:04 getting out coach. And that's the thing, right? Like I thought going into that's coming into

01:15:10 Toronto, Toronto was going to perform at a higher level because you had the opportunity

01:15:14 to make those changes, to have those matchups. And they haven't been able to capitalize on

01:15:19 that. So all credit to, to Boston and their, and their depth defensemen that have had to

01:15:25 been, had to be out there with those top lines at times, right? Like not, not consistently,

01:15:31 but, but Montgomery out coach shell and Keith here in Toronto, the last two games,

01:15:39 You mentioned an interesting, interesting thing before with depth, with the, with the

01:15:45 roster and we often called the Bruins this year, the money ball Bruins in the sense that

01:15:50 they didn't have much to spend and they, instead of, you know, giving it all to Tyler Bertuzzi,

01:15:57 they divvied the money out and here's who they, this, these are the guys they, I think

01:16:01 they got a free agency last year, geeky van Riemsdyk Heinen, which was a very late edition.

01:16:08 Boakwest yep. Boakwest Shattenkirk. And then throughout the season, they, you know, they

01:16:16 also signed Watherspoon and he proved his way and he moved his way up and he's, you

01:16:20 know, made the team and everything. Maroon was a deadline acquisition peak who isn't

01:16:25 playing tonight, you know, deadline acquisition. Again, I got to give love to Sweeney there

01:16:31 like in the front office, right. For identifying guys like Watherspoon and down in Providence

01:16:37 who can, or down in the AHL, you know, while this was at a career, AHL guy, now he's making

01:16:41 an impact in HL level getting the unream's like for a million, you know, I know you and

01:16:46 I had discussed about him, you know, you know, when the Bruins were struggling around the

01:16:50 deadline, Hey, maybe trade him. And then he got sick and wasn't playing. And now he seems

01:16:53 to be, as I tweeted, kind of swagger back. Someone also mentioned Brazil. I forgot about

01:16:58 Brazil. Thank you. That's another one. I, he would actually, you forget about it because

01:17:04 it's the series, but he was a huge one. So again, like there've been these cheap pieces,

01:17:10 geeky value where no one else found them of in reams, like value in there. What is it?

01:17:15 Yes. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So are you saying is the, is the overall point here that had, they

01:17:21 signed Tyler Bertruzzi that, that they wouldn't have the options for these other guys? Is

01:17:26 that what you're saying? If memory serves, they would not have had a lot of cap space

01:17:31 to do a lot of this depth stuff. Okay. But they did off, did they not offer him a contract

01:17:35 that his agent probably overplayed their hand thinking that they would get more money from

01:17:39 someone else. They did offer him a contract. Oh yeah, they did. They did. They did. And

01:17:42 yeah, it, they worked in their favor. That's my point. It's like it worked out and they

01:17:45 got, they got lucky, but like still to go find the value people like geeky and Ben Reams,

01:17:51 Dyke and Heinen and Boquist and yes, yes. Carl, what is it? So you just said you were

01:17:56 giving them credit. So you're giving Sweeney credit for being lucky then.

01:18:01 I'm giving credit for Sweeney for adapting the situation and finding value in these guys.

01:18:05 He could have went out and signed a bunch of goobers. Okay. These guys stand out like

01:18:10 that's the wild part. And so I think, you know, like the fact that yes, provoke was

01:18:14 spent most of the year in Providence comes up and packs a punch, makes an impact. Like

01:18:19 I, to me, like, I think that, um, you know, like credit to their scouting staff credit

01:18:25 to that front office for identity. And like Andrew peaks, an interesting one, cause peak

01:18:28 was played like very minimal games in Columbus this year.

01:18:33 He's on a contract that isn't really worth what he played in Columbus. And when he was

01:18:37 playing here, he was a good third pairing, shut down defenseman. And I don't, you know,

01:18:42 we'll see what ends up happening with, with his injury status. So like, again, they're

01:18:46 a, they're a money ball type team and money ball on the bottom six. I think you're right.

01:18:51 Right. Like making the adjustment, not having Tyler Bertuzzi. I think there were a lot of

01:18:55 fans and I don't want to do revisionists. So I think I was one of them that said, Oh,

01:19:01 you gotta keep him. You've got to find a way and some level of frustration, you know, through

01:19:06 free agency last year that they weren't able to keep him. Cause you just saw, right? Like

01:19:10 what, what, what I saw as a, as a fan was you're losing these top top six producers

01:19:17 and creation and Burgeon, you need to do something and to, to make the adjustment and to find

01:19:24 pieces that fit your system. Although I didn't think Ben Reed was like, and he's proven me

01:19:28 wrong the last year. I didn't think he was a fit for your system, but yeah, I mean, credit

01:19:33 to the, to everyone around, right? The Sweeney management scout pro scouting for identifying

01:19:41 the guys that need to need to come in to, to give you enough, enough depth to be in

01:19:46 this situation.

01:19:47 I think that's the big thing. And I think that that's going to be a huge storyline again,

01:19:54 the series ain't over. So if they lose this series and they blow it, it'd be like, they

01:19:59 going to use that high end talent. That's what they're going to need. But as of now

01:20:04 that bottom six talent, Geeky's had a great series. Van Reem's been good in the last two

01:20:08 games. I know we've wanted more production from Heinen, but he's still created a lot

01:20:12 off the four check.

01:20:13 Boquist has been good. Maroon has brought value. Shattenkirk has been iffy at times.

01:20:19 I thought he was okay tonight. Wotherspoon has been good when he's been in the line.

01:20:23 So like, again, like it's, you know, it's worked from that sense, which I think is a,

01:20:27 I think is a good thing. You're a coach, you're a coach. So I want to get your take. What

01:20:34 does Toronto need to do differently going into game five? Anything technically that

01:20:38 you noticed anything that, that sticks out?

01:20:41 Well, they're going to have to find a, find a new way to break the puck out. Right? I

01:20:47 think unfortunately for Toronto, they're limited in what they're capable of doing because their,

01:20:51 their backend isn't good enough. Right? So when, when, when Boston takes away that stretch

01:20:58 pass, that's going to force Toronto to put more responsibility on, on their defense.

01:21:07 So essentially what you're going to have to, what you're going to have to do if, if Boston

01:21:12 is going to sit in that one, two, two, right? You're God, this is so boring. Hockey talk.

01:21:19 No, keep it going. Yeah. Toronto's not going to be able to stretch it out. You've got to

01:21:23 understand that now you've, you've got to, you're going to have to hinge and come out

01:21:29 the weak side. All right. So you're going to have to, you're going to have to draw Boston

01:21:32 all the one side of the rink in the neutral zone, and then you're going to have to exit

01:21:37 out the other side and you're going to have to create your, your spacing and your speed

01:21:42 that way. Right? Like Dave tried to do it by get like getting the puck out of the defenseman's

01:21:47 hand as much, as much as, as quick as they possibly can. Now you're going to, now you're

01:21:52 going to have to ask for one additional touch. If that, if that makes sense, like if, if

01:21:58 so it's going to go D to D now that, that defenseman that made the initial pass has

01:22:03 got to get it back. And now I'm going to go to my forwards out the other side. Yep. And

01:22:09 that's, that's what they're going to have. That's what, that's what, that's what they're

01:22:11 going to have to do in order to create the speed. And, and we've always said it and this,

01:22:17 you know, any ball sport, the, the pucker, the ball moves faster than anyone out there,

01:22:23 which Ronald was going to do instead of hitting the 80 foot pass now is now, and this is,

01:22:28 will be a struggle for, I'm not going to say it's going to be easy. Now they've got to

01:22:32 put together two, well, probably three 10 foot passes in order to, to, um, create some

01:22:40 speed and spacing in the neutral zone. I don't, I don't, I don't see them making that adjustment.

01:22:48 I don't see them. Um, I don't see them executed. Yeah. Being able to execute that. So I guess,

01:22:57 right. And this will be boring. This will be 1980s hockey. You're going to have to now,

01:23:03 now you're gonna have to get red line, get it in and, and put pressure on Boston's defense

01:23:07 because your four checks been good when, when, when Toronto's had their four check their

01:23:12 F their F one has been aggressive, finished hits, forced turnovers. So, I mean, it's one

01:23:20 of those two. And the, the, the second one that I mentioned is far easier. So you go

01:23:26 into that one, two, two, and well, Boston is, and that, that second Boston four checkers

01:23:33 sitting at the red line. Now Toronto's D is gonna, he's gonna get on their horse, get

01:23:39 the red line and get it in. And I think that's probably a far easier approach.

01:23:45 I agree. And I think that's more doable. The problem is you have so many skill guys, you

01:23:49 know, if Matthews was playing, is he going to want to dump it in his knee land? Are you

01:23:52 gonna want to dump it in his Marner? Gonna want to dump it in. I think that's where you

01:23:55 get the pushback. I think that's the best mode of attack though. Like, cause again,

01:24:00 I think it's the safest play because tonight, I mean, again, the Bruins are capitalizing

01:24:03 on mistakes, you know, like that Frederick, the van Ream cycle came off of a bad breakout.

01:24:08 That was Ryan Reeves. And you know, you have the, the postural goal, you know, off of a

01:24:16 kind of a bad zone exit.

01:24:17 And like, so I agree. And the Bruins at times, you know, off the glass and out of their own

01:24:23 zone gaining the red line, dumping it in for checking because it's worked for them. And

01:24:29 they, they want the puck in the hands of the Leafs. So is there anything else we haven't

01:24:35 touched on?

01:24:37 Power play, penalty kill five on five Morgan, geeky, Brandon, Carlo, goaltending, goaltending

01:24:46 always. No, I just think, I think tonight was a, it was a really good team win and Boston

01:24:57 should feel good about themselves, but they should feel like they have Toronto on the

01:25:01 ropes and they should put them away on Tuesday night. There should be, don't fool around

01:25:06 with this. Don't go with any, don't go with any lineup changes unless someone's hurt.

01:25:11 Just game five is game seven. Get after it, get it done.

01:25:16 I completely agree. I actually could not agree with you anymore on that. Do not change the

01:25:21 lineup. Keep swamming in balls to the wall in game five and it, and it get delivered

01:25:29 the knockout punch. Cause they've not been good at that against Toronto in past years.

01:25:32 It's taken until game seven every time. So this is, this is your chance and it's at home

01:25:38 to home crowd. And again, the Bruins have struggled at home a little bit in past years,

01:25:45 game two, they weren't great. I mean, just imagine if they came out and had like an okay

01:25:48 game to this series will be over. Yeah, I agree. Boston fans be loud Tuesday. That would

01:25:56 be a good thing. Yeah. They should be loud. I always think if you're going to spend so

01:26:00 much money to go to a playoff game, I am, I better not leave with a voice. Like I want

01:26:06 to screw. Like if I'm spending all that money on a playoff ticket, I'm getting my money's

01:26:10 worth and I don't care if they're down six to one.

01:26:12 Like I am screaming. I might be booing if they're down six one, but I will be using

01:26:16 my voice. Um, last time I was at the guard, Oh, continue. No, I was just going to ask

01:26:22 how much is a ticket? How much is a playoff ticket? Uh, I can, I'll look at it. I know

01:26:28 that's, I know CK isn't official or it's not official through the Bruins. Um, but if I

01:26:34 wanted to go to a Tuesday's game, the cheapest ticket is 236 bucks and it's the back of the

01:26:42 balcony. Okay. Whereas like deal score, it's like, Oh, 635. This is an amazing deal. And

01:26:51 it's like row three of the load section. But that's like 700 bucks. I mean, what? Oh, sorry.

01:26:56 I interrupt you. What I was gonna say was I remember being at game seven of the cup

01:27:00 final covering that 2019 run and seeing like all those people who spent so much money on

01:27:05 a game seven cup ticket. It's like, Oh my God, I'm going to watch the Bruins lift the

01:27:09 cup and they lost. That was not even a close game. It was awful. So like, you know, you

01:27:14 always feel bad for fans when they do that. Cause like, it's a cool experience until your

01:27:18 team just sucks. Um, last time I was at the garden, Carl, you'll love this. Listeners

01:27:24 with a podcast saw this. My friend and I bought hockey's chains like these 20 bucks, 20 bucks.

01:27:36 We might've had a little bit to drink, but still, still right. Like the hockey's chain

01:27:41 and we were at the hockey stuff championship game. So we brought out the hockey's chain.

01:27:45 So all I can say is my seven year old son, that's exactly what he wanted when he went

01:27:50 to the Bruins game. He wanted the Bruins chain and you got a hockey East chain. Well, the

01:27:55 reason was no one was buying them and we thought it was the funniest thing. Why would you ever

01:27:59 make a hockey East chain? And we said, screw it. We're going to buy one. So it was a waste

01:28:04 of 20 bucks. Well, no, I got some content out of it. I got this, this happened. I brought

01:28:12 it out here. I brought it on another podcast. So, um, you know, I just, it was worth $236

01:28:21 for, for a ticket. Is this, that's less money than it costs me for two sessions of Framingham.

01:28:29 Learn to skate for Colton. That's wild. Yeah. Framingham learned to skate was, it was 115

01:28:38 per session or something like that. It might've been a hundred, it might've been 120. So it

01:28:43 might've been two 40 for September through February or something. I don't remember, but

01:28:49 $236 for one ticket. I know. And it's a game and I, and like, you know, it's a great atmosphere.

01:28:57 It's a great atmosphere, you know? So, um, I, uh, I, I completely, uh, you know, I get

01:29:04 why people pay it, but be loud. You know, I agree with that. But again, I, I completely,

01:29:11 um, I completely agree. You've got to, you got to end it on Tuesday. You got to end it.

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01:29:29 It's always fun, Carl. We always have a good time. This is always fun. And hopefully we

01:29:34 do another round of these again. I said, hopefully, you know, on the record, hopefully. Um, so

01:29:41 yeah, that's that Bruins win three, one Bruins take a three, one series lead, and we will

01:29:48 see you after Tuesday nights, game five, have a great rest of your night.

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