OLIVIA & Gage (known as Vista Wife & Vista Hubby) last appeared on LDJ over a year ago and since then, their app "SwingHub" has made them over $1million. The couple put on lavish events all over the world where like minded individuals and couples join them for some intimate fun! In this episode, Olivia & Gage invite their swinging friends to a party they are hosting at The Vanilla Alternative, a regular spot where they hold events. Their swinging parties can have up to 300 people attend which ends up being “a very busy night”. At The Vanilla Alternative, we meet some of their friends who explain that people often misjudge their lifestyle and they have “lost a lot of friends due to it”. With one of them explaining “someone asked me why I don’t I just cheat on my wife instead”. The pair are seen as the Guru’s of the swinging world, a far stretch of where they were when we met them last year. Even so, they continue to get backlash on social media from people who think they should "just get a divorce”. Olivia and Gage say their lifestyle has only made them stronger and there’s another world outside of monogamy.
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00:00 This is Vista White.
00:02 She fell in love with Vista Hubby.
00:05 People judge us because we swap partners.
00:07 Today we are heading to hold our swingers party.
00:11 It's a very busy night.
00:13 When it comes to couple swapping,
00:16 people have got so much judgement and so many views.
00:20 No morals or self-respect.
00:22 How can you feel respected more like feeling used?
00:25 I like feeling used, like very much.
00:27 We've lost friends through it.
00:29 They would literally badmouth us behind our backs.
00:32 We've had it here. Someone say to us,
00:34 "Why couldn't we have an affair like normal people?"
00:36 This is going to be juicy.
00:37 We met on a night out in Leeds.
00:42 You were in the military.
00:43 And I loved a guy in uniform.
00:45 We kind of met, swapped numbers,
00:46 and we were supposed to go back to your house
00:48 for an after party, but you fell asleep.
00:50 You say after party.
00:51 After party.
00:52 It was going to be a threesome.
00:54 And then you were coming home on summer leave
00:57 and you just like give me one last text, didn't you,
01:00 to make sure you were like,
01:01 "I'm just going to text this girl one last time."
01:04 You got back to me straight away.
01:05 So I was like, "Oh, I'm coming home this weekend.
01:07 Do you want to like meet up?"
01:08 And then kind of just went from there, didn't it?
01:10 Yeah, and that was like 2009.
01:14 We basically had sex one night
01:16 and we were doing a bit of pillow talk.
01:18 You kind of was talking about other women.
01:21 And I asked the question, I was like,
01:22 "Would you actually be with another woman?"
01:24 And you was like, "I actually think I'm bisexual
01:27 or a bi-curious."
01:29 Long story short, we kind of,
01:30 it was a mutual decision really, wasn't it?
01:34 Of just conversations happening over a couple of weeks
01:37 about your sexuality.
01:38 Yeah, and originally I was like,
01:41 "I really, really need to do it with you
01:44 'cause you're my rock
01:45 and you're the one who gets the party started and things."
01:48 So I was like, "I can't imagine doing it without you."
01:51 It was really, really hard to just find
01:53 a single female in the lifestyle.
01:56 So we ended up speaking to another couple
01:58 and we were just speaking to them backwards and forwards.
02:00 And it just ended up being,
02:04 yeah, the best decision ever.
02:06 I think when we first started being in an open relationship,
02:10 there were so many different rules for us.
02:12 Originally it was, we only play together
02:15 and I play separately
02:16 'cause I wasn't comfortable with you playing on your own
02:18 for some reason.
02:19 And then now it's like, "Oh, just do whatever."
02:21 It's all free flowing.
02:22 'Cause we've been in the lifestyle six, seven years.
02:25 - Seven years.
02:26 - So I think everything's kind of very fluid now,
02:28 but it's always a hundred percent communication.
02:31 - So how we turned our discreet hobby into a business
02:35 is what was out there was these horrible,
02:38 outdated websites full of fake accounts.
02:40 So we was like, "We should try and do something here
02:43 'cause everyone's got this big problem
02:45 and no one's solving it."
02:46 So that's why we created an app called Swing Hub
02:48 just to really get people on board the lifestyle,
02:51 get it more modernized.
02:53 - The fact that we created a really safe environment,
02:56 you can't screenshot any images on there,
02:58 that everybody can be as discreet as possible
03:01 and there's no photo sharing.
03:02 Everybody's verified a hundred percent.
03:05 So it's all safe.
03:06 You know who you're talking to.
03:07 - Should we do a little boomerang?
03:08 Ready?
03:09 Three, two, one.
03:11 Since we opened up our relationship
03:14 and popped it on social media,
03:17 the judgment that we got initially,
03:20 there was a lot there, wasn't there?
03:21 - It's things like, you know,
03:22 we spread STDs that we don't love each other.
03:25 It's just a form of cheating.
03:27 - A lot of people are like,
03:28 "Why get married if you're gonna want to like-
03:31 - Play with other people. - Play with other people."
03:33 - No morals or self-respect.
03:35 - Oh, we've got no morals.
03:37 - Another attack on family.
03:39 Provited disease really should never be normalized.
03:42 How can you feel respected more like feeling used?
03:45 - I like feeling used.
03:46 Thank you very much.
03:47 - End of the day, we are sexual human beings.
03:49 Like, people do window shop.
03:51 Why not just do it together?
03:53 - The amount of messages we get from other people
03:57 saying how much we've helped them
03:58 and saying, "I've had these feelings and thoughts,
04:02 but I thought it was really not normal.
04:04 And seeing you put yourself out there
04:06 has given me the courage to go out and explore more.
04:09 And I've never looked back," kind of thing.
04:11 And it's always just nice to-
04:13 - It's really heartwarming. - It is heartwarming, yeah.
04:15 - Ready to go potty?
04:16 - Ready?
04:18 - Let's go.
04:19 - Into the explosion.
04:20 (imitates explosion)
04:22 Today, we are heading to the Vanilla Alternative
04:25 to hold our swingers party.
04:27 Usually at these events, it kind of varies, doesn't it?
04:30 Anything between like 150 to 300 people.
04:34 - Yeah.
04:35 - 300 people is a very busy night.
04:37 - Before we get there, there's been a group chat
04:40 where people can talk and get to know
04:43 who's going to this event.
04:44 So you kind of get a good feel of who you're already
04:47 going to kind of connect with or talk to down there.
04:50 - We go in there and play together or play separately.
04:54 It all just depends on the night.
04:55 - We are meeting some of our friends before the party
04:58 to really have a natter about some of the judgment
05:01 we've faced in the lifestyle.
05:03 - This is going to be juicy.
05:15 - For the first time, we said, look, we can try it.
05:17 And if we didn't like it, we didn't have to do it again.
05:19 At least we've tried.
05:21 But yeah, we both loved it.
05:23 And here we are.
05:24 - Yeah, that's very similar to us really.
05:26 - Said to us longer, we talked about it for a year.
05:29 - And then I asked you if you'd take me to a club tonight.
05:30 - 'Cause it was your birthday.
05:31 Yeah, it was one of those, she was like,
05:32 "Are you ever going to take me to a club?"
05:33 And I was like, "Oh, right, that is going to happen.
05:35 "That's the only thing."
05:36 - We're going to do it.
05:37 - And we spent all day in London, like agreeing
05:39 we were not going to join in the event that we saw.
05:42 And then the very first night,
05:43 met a really nice couple, didn't we?
05:45 - We did.
05:46 - And we ended up going all the way with that.
05:48 - Yeah, I love that.
05:49 - Which really surprised us.
05:50 - Dived right in the deep end.
05:50 - We didn't expect to do anything.
05:52 - The thing is, all these people
05:54 that actually slag off swinging,
05:56 they're probably cheating on each other,
05:58 left, right and center.
05:59 - We've had someone say to us,
06:00 why couldn't we have an affair like normal people?
06:02 - I mean, we've lost friends through it
06:04 because we were all good friends with certain people
06:07 before they knew we was in the lifestyle.
06:09 And then once they found out, they would literally
06:13 bad mouth us behind our backs.
06:15 - We had to call our friends and family
06:18 when we started getting a bit of hit on social media,
06:20 'cause we didn't want them to find out.
06:22 - From anyone else.
06:23 - From TikTok or Instagram that were in this lifestyle.
06:26 - Apart from your mum going, I know,
06:29 I've been watching your TikToks and posts for weeks.
06:32 I absolutely love them.
06:34 - The feedback we got from our family was all supportive.
06:37 They was like, you do you,
06:38 it doesn't really affect us in any way, shape or form.
06:40 That's your personal life.
06:41 And they support us, right?
06:43 - Yeah, all they said was,
06:45 it's got nothing to do with us,
06:46 as long as you guys are happy.
06:48 - I think open relationships are misunderstood
06:50 just because I think people think that they're not the norm.
06:52 It's not sort of the everyday thing.
06:53 All the people aren't comfortable talking about it.
06:55 - People don't like anything different, do they?
06:57 - They don't.
06:58 - Are you ready for the real party to begin?
07:00 - Let's go.
07:01 - Our relationship works because we do have communication.
07:05 When we got into the lifestyle, talking so much about it,
07:08 it just over spilled into everyday life.
07:11 And that itself makes a relationship stronger, right?
07:15 - Just pure communication.
07:16 We can talk about anything and everything.
07:18 And there's kind of no repercussions.
07:20 If you just go, this is the truth,
07:22 this is what I don't like, this is what I do like.
07:24 And it's kind of like, okay, what's next?
07:26 - We built this amazing lifestyle app,
07:29 the Swing Hub, I think we want it to go worldwide
07:31 and just show people all around the world
07:33 that it's okay to be non-monogamous.
07:34 And the feelings that they have, it's perfectly fine.
07:37 - So, are we gonna go get the real party started?
07:40 - Let's do it.
07:41 - Who are you choosing?
07:42 (laughing)
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