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00:00:00 See my boy over there?
00:00:01 He owns the Raiders.
00:00:03 Well, his mom does, but he kinda does.
00:00:06 - But his dad used to own the Raiders,
00:00:08 and everyone, his dad was a hell of a guy.
00:00:12 - See my boy over there?
00:00:14 He's so confident, he wears all white
00:00:17 while eating buffalo wings.
00:00:19 - See my guy, look how good he looks
00:00:21 now that he's no longer wearing the propeller hat beanie.
00:00:24 - Oh man.
00:00:28 - Yeah, see my boy over there?
00:00:30 He drives a conversion van.
00:00:31 Bet you'd never guess that.
00:00:33 No, actually I would.
00:00:34 - All right, Mark Davis, we got you, bro.
00:00:36 - My boy over there, he can drink seven sweet teas
00:00:40 at P.F. Chang's before the appetizers come out.
00:00:43 - On today's "Pardon My Take,"
00:00:47 we are back from the long weekend.
00:00:50 We got a lot of basketball to talk about,
00:00:52 and we have an awesome in-person interview with Danny Ainge.
00:00:56 We also are gonna talk about the passing
00:00:58 of the legend Bill Walton,
00:01:00 and we have some unreleased footage
00:01:03 from our interview with him,
00:01:04 which we never actually put out on video,
00:01:06 so that'll be at the end of the episode.
00:01:08 We have 35 minutes.
00:01:09 - It was back in 2017 in Las Vegas
00:01:12 before the Pac-12 Championship,
00:01:14 the Conference of Champions,
00:01:16 and it was an unforgettable experience,
00:01:19 so we've condensed it down into about 30 minutes,
00:01:21 but I think it was much longer than that.
00:01:22 - Yeah, 'cause-- - It was like two
00:01:23 and a half hours. - Yeah, 'cause there was
00:01:24 a lot of people who probably didn't hear it.
00:01:25 I know there's a lot of people who didn't see it
00:01:27 because it was before we released every podcast on video,
00:01:30 so that will be in video as well.
00:01:32 At the end, we're gonna talk,
00:01:35 half of the NBA Finals is set.
00:01:37 Cocky Hank gets paid off.
00:01:39 Also, the Mavs are up 3-0.
00:01:42 Some hockey, some hot seat, cool throne,
00:01:46 and we're happy to be back.
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00:03:52 Today is Tuesday, May 28th, and we have lost a legend.
00:03:57 Bill Walton passed away on Monday.
00:04:01 Kind of shocking.
00:04:02 - Yeah.
00:04:03 - I didn't know he was battling cancer,
00:04:06 and it was also shocking in the fact that,
00:04:08 you know, we don't, we'll talk about celebrity deaths.
00:04:12 I think this might be the first one
00:04:14 that's ever led the show, and I think it's appropriate
00:04:16 because this one, I don't know about you, PFT,
00:04:19 but when I saw it hit, the news hit,
00:04:23 I was really, really affected and bummed out
00:04:26 because I loved Bill Walton, and I'm so happy
00:04:31 that we were actually able to interview him,
00:04:34 and he just was, he was just walking joy.
00:04:38 - Yeah.
00:04:39 - And it was really sad to see that news.
00:04:40 - Yeah, I don't really get emotional about celebrity deaths.
00:04:44 I did cry when I found out about Bill
00:04:46 because he was such a positive person,
00:04:49 and when we had the opportunity to meet him,
00:04:51 we met him for one day in 2017.
00:04:53 One day, we spent about two hours with him.
00:04:55 Just a blip on his radar,
00:04:58 and I've missed Bill ever since then.
00:05:00 - Yeah.
00:05:01 - Like I've missed, I actually miss
00:05:03 hanging out with Bill Walton, and he was so fun
00:05:05 to be around and such a unique person,
00:05:08 and just larger than life in every single aspect.
00:05:11 The joy that he brought countless people,
00:05:13 the joy that he was able to exude.
00:05:15 He was, without a doubt, a one-of-a-kind human being.
00:05:18 They've never made anybody like Bill Walton.
00:05:20 They're never gonna make anybody like Bill Walton again,
00:05:22 and so for that reason, I'm sad that the world
00:05:25 no longer has that unique person in it,
00:05:27 but Bill Walton would probably get very mad at us
00:05:30 if he heard us being sad about him.
00:05:32 - Yeah.
00:05:32 - That's not his vibe.
00:05:34 I am going to be sad 'cause that's just
00:05:35 how it makes me feel.
00:05:37 The only good part of today was we got to hear
00:05:42 hours and hours of Bill Walton stories.
00:05:43 - Yes.
00:05:44 - Which was very nice to hear because everyone,
00:05:47 everyone that met Bill is like, he changed their lives.
00:05:50 - He was authentically Bill.
00:05:52 He was the same person when we got,
00:05:55 when we were lucky enough to interview him,
00:05:58 he was just exactly what we expected.
00:06:00 I said at the beginning of the show,
00:06:03 if you skip through it, we interviewed him in 2017.
00:06:05 This was early, early days, first year of Pardon My Take,
00:06:09 so it was just the three of us.
00:06:10 - I think that was right after
00:06:11 the Evander Holyfield interview.
00:06:13 - Right after we got duped by Evander Holyfield,
00:06:16 but it was just the three of us,
00:06:18 so we didn't release the podcast on video,
00:06:21 so we were able to find the hard drive
00:06:23 and we'll have the video of the 35 minutes
00:06:25 we're gonna put at the end of this show.
00:06:27 If you're new to AWL, listen to it, it was a joy.
00:06:31 It also, I mean, I've told this story before,
00:06:33 but the two things that were so great
00:06:36 when we interviewed him, one, he asked me beforehand
00:06:39 if it's okay if he brings his own chair,
00:06:41 and then he said it's the greatest chair ever,
00:06:44 and if you watch the video, it's, I think, for his back,
00:06:48 'cause he obviously had so many surgeries on his back.
00:06:51 He's just towering over us,
00:06:53 and the second was we interviewed him,
00:06:55 we both were very, not anxious,
00:06:59 but nervous going into this interview
00:07:01 'cause we wanted to nail it.
00:07:02 I wrote down all these questions.
00:07:04 I think I might have asked two of 'em
00:07:06 because Bill just talked, and about two hours in,
00:07:09 he's like, "How long does this go?"
00:07:11 And we're like, "It's kinda up to you, Bill.
00:07:14 "We're having a great time."
00:07:15 And so he just was the best.
00:07:18 I was just smiling the entire interview,
00:07:20 and you're right, all these stories that have come out.
00:07:23 I also, as great as he was as a broadcaster,
00:07:27 I loved just his little corner of the world
00:07:30 where it's a late-night game on the West Coast,
00:07:33 and Bill Walton's gonna get weird,
00:07:34 and he's just gonna be fun.
00:07:36 It's crazy how good he was at basketball,
00:07:39 and how injuries took away so much of it.
00:07:42 People should watch, there's a four-part documentary,
00:07:45 "Luckiest Man in the World"
00:07:46 that came out a couple years ago.
00:07:48 I actually think maybe, 'cause I remember when it came out,
00:07:51 I was like, "This is kinda weird.
00:07:52 "It's how he might have, it might have been
00:07:53 "because he was battling cancer."
00:07:54 But he was one of the greatest college basketball players
00:07:59 of all time.
00:08:00 If he hadn't had to deal with injuries his entire career
00:08:03 in the NBA, he very well could have been
00:08:06 a top five, seven player of all time
00:08:09 because he won a title with Portland,
00:08:12 who never wins anything, won a MVP,
00:08:14 then was part of the '86 Celtics.
00:08:16 - All the Portland fans at home right now
00:08:18 are just catching the biggest ricochet.
00:08:19 - I mean, it's true, though, but he was--
00:08:21 - It is, yeah.
00:08:22 - And he was that good of a basketball player,
00:08:24 and then his life touched everyone
00:08:27 after being in broadcasting,
00:08:29 and all his Grateful Dead stories.
00:08:32 It's just like he saw a thousand shows, all one song.
00:08:36 - It's all one song, that's what I'll always remember.
00:08:38 - And it makes sense when he says it's all one song.
00:08:40 Like, I tapped into his worldview.
00:08:43 You can't stay there because it's only Bill's brain,
00:08:45 and he only truly understands what he's saying.
00:08:48 But what he's talking about, yeah, it is all one song
00:08:50 in a very spiritual sense.
00:08:53 I know we're getting sappy, but I am sad.
00:08:55 - No, I'm sad.
00:08:56 - I'm deeply sad about Bill Walton.
00:08:58 Not only did he, he won, I think,
00:09:02 three Naismith Player of the Year's in college,
00:09:06 which is crazy, and then he won NBA MVP,
00:09:10 and he also won NBA Sixth Man of the Year.
00:09:12 - Yeah, for the Celtics.
00:09:13 - For the Celtics, which is probably,
00:09:14 that's gotta be a very small list, I would imagine,
00:09:16 of players that have done both.
00:09:17 - Yeah, and in a serendipitous moment,
00:09:20 there's a minor serendipitous moment,
00:09:22 the fact that we interviewed Danny Ainge in person
00:09:24 two weeks ago, and we had been holding it
00:09:26 because we were like, oh, this is such a great interview,
00:09:28 let's wait 'til we come back for Memorial Day.
00:09:32 He has some great Bill Walton stories in there
00:09:34 that obviously now they feel even more important,
00:09:38 and then, of course, the fact that Bill Walton
00:09:40 passed away a day after the Pac-12
00:09:43 played their last sporting event ever.
00:09:45 I was legitimately like, what is gonna,
00:09:47 he loves that conference so much, what's gonna happen?
00:09:50 And now, he's just, I don't believe in heaven,
00:09:53 but I do with Bill Walton.
00:09:55 He's probably hanging out with Jerry Garcia right now.
00:09:56 - And the Pac-12 is on 24/7.
00:09:58 - Yeah.
00:09:59 - And he's loving it.
00:10:00 - Yeah.
00:10:01 - It's like, yeah, the Pac-12 ends, Bill's like,
00:10:02 well, my work here is done.
00:10:03 - Yeah, I'll share one last thing.
00:10:06 So, we tried to get him on a couple other times
00:10:10 in the last few years, and every time he would text back,
00:10:13 he was so Bill Walton and so nice,
00:10:14 but the one time that I laugh about
00:10:17 when we tried to get him back on a few years ago,
00:10:20 and he just wrote back,
00:10:22 "Thanks, Big Cat, for your kindness in my life.
00:10:25 "You guys are amazing and you have an incredible audience.
00:10:27 "I still get more positive and interesting comments/feedback
00:10:30 "from your show than from almost anything,
00:10:33 "any other thing I have ever done in my life.
00:10:35 "Please, I am sadly ricocheting through the universe
00:10:38 "on the business road through Memorial Day.
00:10:40 "Sorry, hopefully next time you're back
00:10:42 "through the promised land.
00:10:43 "Shine on, dream on, build on, carry on, B-dub."
00:10:47 - Love that.
00:10:48 - Bill with two L's.
00:10:49 - Yeah, Bill with two L's,
00:10:50 and he always spelled his wife's name, L-O-R-I, Lori.
00:10:54 I'm the luckiest man in the world, he used to always say.
00:10:57 Did he give us nicknames, Hank?
00:10:59 - I don't think so.
00:11:01 - I thought he did, something to remember our names by.
00:11:04 - Yeah, I don't remember.
00:11:06 - I also have to imagine that he texts everybody that way.
00:11:11 - Yeah, no, he's authentically Bill.
00:11:14 - Very positive to say,
00:11:16 to close out every conversation with everyone.
00:11:18 - Yeah, and he just meant so much to us as sports fans.
00:11:21 You mentioned all the stories.
00:11:24 I did see one that I wanted to share
00:11:25 that was very funny from Vince Mancini.
00:11:28 He said, "My favorite Bill Walton story
00:11:30 "was Luke Walton telling how, for Christmas,
00:11:32 "his dad would just wrap up some free swag he collected,
00:11:35 "and one year, Luke Walton's stocking
00:11:37 "was just huge and overstuffed,
00:11:39 "and he was all excited to open it,
00:11:40 "and then when he did, it was all power bars inside."
00:11:43 (laughing)
00:11:45 - That's awesome.
00:11:46 Vince Mancini's very funny, too.
00:11:47 I like that guy, film drunk.
00:11:48 - Yeah, so legend, absolute legend.
00:11:52 Like I said, we don't usually start the show
00:11:55 or even talk about death,
00:11:57 but Bill Walton felt like it was someone we had to.
00:11:59 So tune in for Danny Ainge.
00:12:02 Danny Ainge tells a great, great Bill Walton story
00:12:05 that I had never heard about chess.
00:12:08 - Yeah, and just also bear in mind
00:12:10 that during the interview, we did pre-tape it,
00:12:11 so when he's talking about Bill,
00:12:13 he had no idea that he passed away.
00:12:15 - Right, and then at the end of the show,
00:12:17 after lottery ball, we will have the 35 minutes
00:12:20 of our interview with Bill Walton,
00:12:22 so please listen to it if you've never listened to it.
00:12:23 If you have, listen to it again,
00:12:25 'cause it will make you happy and smile,
00:12:27 and he was the best.
00:12:29 - Okay, Hank?
00:12:30 - Yes?
00:12:32 - Congratulations on being in the NBA Finals.
00:12:33 - Thank you.
00:12:34 Some might say Eastern Conference merchant,
00:12:36 but that's fine, you play who you play.
00:12:38 - Cash the under, remember when we said,
00:12:40 I said the line would be four and a half?
00:12:42 That was way too high, way too high.
00:12:45 They lost two games in their path to the Finals.
00:12:48 Also, people are like, oh man, the Pacers,
00:12:53 they were right there,
00:12:54 because game one, they threw away.
00:12:56 Game three, Rick Carlisle just was like,
00:13:00 I have the youngest team, and I'm not gonna use a timeout,
00:13:02 but guess what?
00:13:03 I actually look at it the other way.
00:13:04 The Celtics are a seasoned team
00:13:06 that knows how to make big plays,
00:13:08 and that's what they did time and time again in this series.
00:13:10 - Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of adversity for a sweep.
00:13:13 - Okay, was this the hardest sweep ever?
00:13:16 - No, but it was a well-earned, hard-fought sweep.
00:13:18 The Pacers showed up, they didn't give up,
00:13:21 but the Celtics, like Big Cat said,
00:13:24 overcame it in the past when it feels like
00:13:25 they turtle up in close games
00:13:27 and kind of turn into more iso ball, selfish stuff.
00:13:30 They didn't do that at all.
00:13:31 They found a way to win, they made plays when they had to,
00:13:34 and they won three games
00:13:36 where they were down late in the fourth quarter.
00:13:39 In a sweep against an inferior team,
00:13:41 that's all you can ask for.
00:13:42 - They stopped the Pacers from scoring
00:13:43 for the last three and a half minutes
00:13:46 in this game tonight on Monday night.
00:13:48 - Jalen Brown, Eastern Conference Finals,
00:13:50 you could tell when he got the trophy,
00:13:51 like he wasn't expecting it,
00:13:52 and that meant a lot to him.
00:13:54 - I think he deserved it.
00:13:55 - Did Jason Tatum win it?
00:13:55 - No, I think Jalen Brown deserved this one big time.
00:13:58 - Jason Tatum had a great game three.
00:14:00 - So did Jalen Brown.
00:14:01 Jalen Brown had a great game two.
00:14:02 He had the big shot in game--
00:14:03 - Jalen Brown also is so good.
00:14:04 - You know who could've won it?
00:14:05 It's Drew Holiday, 'cause he was, his defense,
00:14:09 that was, that's why you make that trade.
00:14:11 And that type of player who can make
00:14:14 the big moment plays on defense, like he was awesome.
00:14:18 - Was that at the end of game three,
00:14:19 the little poke away that he had there?
00:14:21 - The steal, yeah.
00:14:21 - Also shot-- - And the rebound tonight.
00:14:23 - Yep, shout out to Rick Carlisle, by the way,
00:14:25 for that end of game play that he drew up in game three.
00:14:28 He just basically turned into a football coach.
00:14:30 And they almost had that one.
00:14:31 That was like, you know, just inches away from going in.
00:14:33 - Yeah. - Four verts.
00:14:34 - Yeah, I love that play.
00:14:35 So keep running that, Rick.
00:14:37 But yeah, Hank, you guys were the much better team.
00:14:39 - Cocky Hank deserves this.
00:14:42 - I'm ready, I mean, that's the,
00:14:44 Drew Holiday and Porzingis,
00:14:45 like those are two huge, huge difference makers
00:14:48 that we didn't have last time we were in the finals.
00:14:49 They're, you know, Drew Holiday's won a NBA championship.
00:14:52 Porzingis is amazing.
00:14:53 I feel great, I'm ready.
00:14:54 - Now, would it affect you at all?
00:14:56 'Cause Porzingis isn't back yet.
00:14:58 Would it affect how ready you are
00:15:01 if maybe hypothetically the Mavericks sweep
00:15:04 and then the timetable for the NBA finals gets moved up,
00:15:06 you guys are playing later on this week?
00:15:08 - That's not how it works. - Oh, wait,
00:15:09 that's not how it works because the NBA's
00:15:11 a bunch of fucking idiots
00:15:12 and they're gonna make us wait until June 6th to tip off?
00:15:15 - No matter what. - No matter what.
00:15:17 So what are we-- - June 6th, no matter what.
00:15:18 - What are we supposed to do with these two weeks here?
00:15:21 - Yeah, it's crazy. - Need a pro bowl.
00:15:22 - I said it on Sunday night, I was like,
00:15:24 I'm rooting for a double sweep
00:15:25 just so we can make fun of the NBA's scheduling.
00:15:27 - Yeah, it's-- - And then someone
00:15:29 pointed out that fans have to book their hotels.
00:15:31 They booked their hotels and tickets months ago.
00:15:34 It's like, for all-- - Celtics fans.
00:15:36 - Permutations of this. - Yeah, Celtics fans did,
00:15:40 knowing that they would be--
00:15:41 - But imagine if they did that last year?
00:15:42 - Yeah. - There's no way anyone,
00:15:44 any fan books their hotels and plane tickets
00:15:48 for the NBA finals months in advance.
00:15:51 - Yeah, it doesn't make any sense at all.
00:15:52 - It doesn't make any sense. - It makes zero sense.
00:15:54 Now, if I know the NBA, I would expect the other series
00:15:58 to go a little bit longer, burn up some of that time.
00:16:00 - Irie, though, has never lost a closeout.
00:16:02 - Has never lost a closeout game.
00:16:03 - Never lost a closeout.
00:16:04 So, Hank, you feel confident.
00:16:06 - Very confident.
00:16:07 - And now you're obviously rooting for the Wolves.
00:16:09 - Yeah, I think it's gonna be massive no matter what,
00:16:11 so I don't really care.
00:16:13 And they're gonna have enough rest, even if it goes seven.
00:16:17 I mean, if it goes seven, that would maybe affect things,
00:16:19 but it doesn't really matter.
00:16:21 - Yeah. - I'm ready for the Mavs.
00:16:22 - So, Lucky wants his revenge.
00:16:25 How much, it will be a talking point,
00:16:27 it will be a storyline if it is Mavs-Celtics.
00:16:29 How big of a factor is the stomping on Lucky in your head?
00:16:33 - It's a huge factor.
00:16:34 I mean, we talk about it with Danny Ainge,
00:16:35 but that was as disrespectful as it gets.
00:16:38 - Yeah, also, revenge game for Chris Topps.
00:16:41 - Yeah. - Former Dallas Maverick.
00:16:42 - Yeah. - Yeah.
00:16:43 We got some messages from a friend of the program.
00:16:48 - Yeah. - Jerry O'Connell.
00:16:50 He wanted to send you a few statements, Hank.
00:16:53 Should we read them to him, big guy?
00:16:54 - You can read them, yeah.
00:16:56 He really wants you to date Tiffany Gomez.
00:16:58 - It's supposed to be Hank reading them in a Boston accent.
00:17:01 - Oh, yeah. - Oh, okay, okay.
00:17:03 - Would you like to read them?
00:17:04 - Tell Hank to read these to Tiffany Gomez.
00:17:05 - But the Mavs are not set yet,
00:17:08 so we should save it. - Should we save it?
00:17:10 - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, we'll save these.
00:17:13 There's a lot of them.
00:17:14 - He kept adding throughout the day.
00:17:15 I got an email out of nowhere.
00:17:17 Everyone, all the Swifties that came after me
00:17:21 for the Travis Kelce, Taylor Swift video idea
00:17:25 that I threw out there, what they thought I was doing,
00:17:30 that is literally what Jerry O'Connell's doing
00:17:33 with Hank and Tiffany Gomez.
00:17:36 - Yes. - He wants that.
00:17:37 - He does, and he wants to see it.
00:17:39 - To a weird level.
00:17:40 - He wants to ride on a helicopter.
00:17:43 - Helicopter hunting.
00:17:44 - And watch Hank shoot his nut out of the helicopter
00:17:46 and hit Tiffany with it.
00:17:48 - Are you a little worried
00:17:49 that you're gonna have to go against Tiff?
00:17:52 - House divided, I mean, it is what it is.
00:17:54 (laughing)
00:17:55 Celtics, Celtics are more important.
00:17:57 - Split jersey?
00:17:58 - But congratulations, Hank. - Thank you.
00:18:02 - Don't apol, I mean, we'll see what happens in the finals,
00:18:06 but the Celtics were just better than everyone in the East.
00:18:09 You can't apologize for that.
00:18:10 They just were the better team by far.
00:18:12 - They have been all year.
00:18:13 - This is exactly how you drew it up, too.
00:18:15 - Yeah, two losses.
00:18:17 - You know ball, that's it.
00:18:18 - Yeah, and now they-- - And shaft.
00:18:20 - Now they're gonna go and,
00:18:21 hopefully we have a good NBA finals.
00:18:23 - Yeah, I'm fine with another Celtics sweep, but.
00:18:27 - That would be crazy because then everyone
00:18:28 would have to just switch if the Celtics swept the finals
00:18:31 and be like, are they an all-time great team?
00:18:33 - Yeah, we'd have to have the conversation.
00:18:35 - We'd have to have the conversation.
00:18:36 That's on the table for you.
00:18:37 - Especially if they beat maybe the best
00:18:40 offensive backcourt of all time in the finals.
00:18:43 Was that Kenny the Jet that first said that?
00:18:45 - Yeah.
00:18:46 - One of the guys on TNT said that about the Mavericks,
00:18:48 Kyrie and Luka, the best offensive backcourt of all time.
00:18:52 And people laughed at him.
00:18:54 And then they played three games and they're like,
00:18:56 maybe he's not that far off.
00:18:58 - Are we permissioned to glaze the Mavericks, Hank,
00:19:01 without thinking that we're saying
00:19:03 anything bad about the Celtics?
00:19:05 - Yeah, of course.
00:19:06 The glazing was coming, that was never a question.
00:19:08 - Right, but can we separate,
00:19:11 if you have any other thoughts on the Celtics
00:19:13 before we move to the Mavs Wolves,
00:19:15 because I don't want this to get,
00:19:17 I don't want, I don't want, you know,
00:19:19 things, thoughts to get twisted here.
00:19:22 - No, let the glazing commence.
00:19:24 - When we compliment the Mavs,
00:19:25 it's separate than the Celtics.
00:19:27 Max, what are you shaking your head about?
00:19:29 - I have hated everything that Hank has said
00:19:30 in the past 10 minutes, but that's fine.
00:19:33 - What would you have said if you were him?
00:19:34 - I mean, he just talked about how it was a hard-fought
00:19:36 battle against a great Pacers team without mentioning
00:19:39 that their best player didn't fucking play.
00:19:42 - Well, he-- - So, yes.
00:19:43 - Wait, who smoked 15 cigs today?
00:19:45 - I don't know, I haven't-- - Us or you?
00:19:45 - I haven't smoked in a while.
00:19:47 - Oh yeah, we should say that,
00:19:48 we did the John Daly Challenge earlier today,
00:19:49 so I think me, Big Cat, and Hank are averaging
00:19:52 somewhere between 13 and 15 cigarettes each.
00:19:55 - Yeah, I feel a little weird.
00:19:56 - I feel great.
00:19:57 - Yeah, I feel a little weird.
00:19:58 - I have a headache.
00:19:59 - That video's coming out, tweet it, Max,
00:20:01 he'll get the video out as fast as possible.
00:20:03 - It's already-- - Next week.
00:20:03 - It's already edited, he's just waiting for somebody
00:20:06 to tell him to press the button.
00:20:06 - Yep, if no one says press the button,
00:20:08 he will not put that out, but if you say it enough,
00:20:11 say it a thousand times, it will happen.
00:20:14 - Max just interrupted the glazing.
00:20:15 - Yeah, all right.
00:20:16 - I'm ready for the Mavs glazing.
00:20:18 - Okay, so-- - And I want it
00:20:20 to be personal towards Hank.
00:20:22 - Well, they call Hank Nicky Glazer.
00:20:24 - All right, so Max, if you want to take notes at the end
00:20:28 and you can add a personal slant towards Hank,
00:20:31 you're more than welcome to.
00:20:33 The Mavericks, so we obviously have been off since Friday.
00:20:37 We saw Luka on Friday night completely emasculate
00:20:42 Rudy Gobert, hit the game-winning shot in his face.
00:20:46 With Rudy doing the, I thought the saddest part
00:20:49 was Rudy doing the double jump to try to get there
00:20:51 and his body just couldn't get there.
00:20:53 And then Luka saying, "You can't fucking guard me.
00:20:58 "You can't guard me."
00:21:00 And then on Sunday night, in a similar fashion,
00:21:04 Luka and Kyrie completely took over the game.
00:21:07 The Wolves look like the moment is too big for them.
00:21:11 Anthony Edwards looks gassed.
00:21:14 And weirdly, in the fourth quarters has been,
00:21:17 kinda just, there was a couple possessions,
00:21:19 especially Sunday night, where he just had no urgency
00:21:23 and just passed the ball at the last second.
00:21:25 Kyle Anderson made that crazy shot that he cross-court,
00:21:29 like, "Here, you take it."
00:21:30 Carl Anthony Towns cannot possibly be playing worse.
00:21:34 He was 0 for 8 from 3.
00:21:35 He's 3 for 22 in this series.
00:21:37 - I love that he kept shooting, though.
00:21:38 - Yeah.
00:21:39 - He was just like, "Next one's going in."
00:21:40 - That's in some of them. - That's cat.
00:21:41 - Some of them, it's not like he was like,
00:21:43 "Yeah, there's just kinda some bounces
00:21:44 "aren't going my way."
00:21:45 It's like, no, dude, some of them look really, really bad.
00:21:47 - Very bad.
00:21:48 - One of them looked like he was throwing a medicine ball.
00:21:50 - But he's got so much confidence.
00:21:51 I yearn to have confidence in anything
00:21:54 the way that Carl Anthony Towns has confidence
00:21:56 in his three-point shot.
00:21:57 - Yes.
00:21:57 - I'm seeing him just, "Next one's going in.
00:21:59 "Next one's going in."
00:22:00 And yeah, Anthony Edwards seemed like,
00:22:02 he was panicking a little bit in the fourth quarter.
00:22:04 - Yeah.
00:22:05 - He would get, I think he had like two or three turnovers
00:22:07 in the last five minutes of the game.
00:22:09 He would just throw the ball away
00:22:10 because he was trying to make an ill-advised pass
00:22:12 at the last second because their offense
00:22:14 looks completely disjointed
00:22:16 and nothing like what we've seen from them.
00:22:17 They don't know what to do offensively at the end of games.
00:22:20 If you just take away those last five minutes of the game,
00:22:23 they're playing really good against the Mavericks.
00:22:25 - So yeah, they're--
00:22:26 - Except for Carl Anthony Towns' shot making.
00:22:28 - Yeah, Carl Anthony Towns' shot making
00:22:29 and Rudy Gobert also just,
00:22:32 I don't think I feel bad for Rudy Gobert,
00:22:35 but it's getting very close
00:22:36 because every year he wins the defensive player of the year
00:22:38 and then every year he gets in the playoffs
00:22:41 and he gets completely like roasted, cooked.
00:22:44 He had, I actually, so this is the craziest thing.
00:22:47 On Friday night, you had the one-on-one with Luka
00:22:51 who hits the game-winning shot.
00:22:52 Incredible play.
00:22:54 Luka is so good, he'll cook anyone.
00:22:56 So that one, I'm like, all right, you know what?
00:22:58 Luka is that good.
00:22:59 That's not Rudy, Rudy Gobert in space
00:23:01 against Luka Doncic is just a huge mismatch.
00:23:04 That's not fully on Rudy.
00:23:06 They have to figure out a way to not have that be a switch
00:23:09 or at least double team, get the ball out of his hands.
00:23:12 I thought the worst thing for Rudy Gobert,
00:23:14 I don't know if you guys noticed this,
00:23:15 on Sunday night, maybe two and a half minutes left
00:23:19 in the third quarter,
00:23:22 Jaden Hardy had the ball and tried to pass it back to Luka
00:23:26 at the top of the key and Luka waved him off
00:23:30 because Jaden Hardy had a one-on-one in space with Rudy
00:23:33 and then got him on like a bad foul jumping up.
00:23:35 But Luka was literally like, no, you take it, it's fine.
00:23:38 Whatever's gonna happen here is gonna work
00:23:40 because it's Rudy Gobert against a shiftier guy in space.
00:23:44 And that was like, man, this sucks for him.
00:23:47 - I've noticed this though.
00:23:48 A lot of players really like to go after Rudy Gobert.
00:23:51 - Yeah.
00:23:52 - I mean, I think the defensive player of the year,
00:23:53 there's a line out the door of guys that are just like,
00:23:56 I wanna embarrass him, I wanna take him,
00:23:58 I wanna emasculate Rudy Gobert on national television.
00:24:01 Then I wanna celebrate in his face.
00:24:03 I can't name another defensive player of the year
00:24:04 that's ever had that giant target on you.
00:24:07 Normally, if it's a defensive player of the year,
00:24:08 you're like, well, let's try to figure out a way
00:24:10 to avoid him if at all possible.
00:24:12 - Well, he's so good at rim protecting,
00:24:14 but when you get him away from the basket
00:24:17 and this has happened time and time again
00:24:18 with him in the playoffs, getting him in pick and rolls
00:24:21 and then just exposing him and it just keeps happening
00:24:24 and here we are and it's like the big three,
00:24:28 shout out Cat, of the Timberwolves
00:24:31 have completely let them down.
00:24:33 Nas Reed, if you could build the whole plan
00:24:34 out of Nas Reed, the Wolves would be in the finals.
00:24:36 - Give me all, like every starting player
00:24:38 should be your sixth man.
00:24:39 - Yeah.
00:24:40 - And then, yes, I agree.
00:24:41 Nas Reed plays so fucking hard.
00:24:43 I love watching him.
00:24:44 - It's true, it does feel like one of those stories
00:24:47 where, hey, the Wolves, the moment was too big for them
00:24:50 in this, like they had a franchise altering win
00:24:55 in game seven against the Nuggets
00:24:58 and that series like propels them
00:25:01 to being a serious title contender going forward,
00:25:04 but this series and Anthony Edwards
00:25:07 and everything that's come along with these playoffs,
00:25:10 it kind of got ahead of them.
00:25:11 - Ant and Cat, I don't think they can play worse
00:25:14 and I think that with Lively out,
00:25:17 he's probably gonna be out, I would imagine,
00:25:18 when he got hit.
00:25:19 - Yeah.
00:25:20 - It's a neck sprain.
00:25:21 That's like some NFL math going on right there.
00:25:24 - And he's their best player plus minus in this series.
00:25:26 - Yeah.
00:25:27 - In the playoffs, I believe.
00:25:28 - Yeah, I'm gonna do the announcer thing
00:25:29 where they say, "We don't wanna speculate on injuries,"
00:25:31 and then they go ahead and they speculate on injuries.
00:25:33 - Yeah.
00:25:34 - I don't think that was a neck sprain.
00:25:35 - Yeah.
00:25:35 - I feel like he might be out for this next game
00:25:37 and if he is, again, I don't think that Anthony Edwards
00:25:40 and Carl Anthony Towns can play worse.
00:25:41 They can't shoot worse than they've been shooting
00:25:44 and this goes back, it was like game seven, I think,
00:25:47 or game six against the Nuggets.
00:25:49 Neither one of them have been on their AA game for a while.
00:25:53 But I feel like something's gonna give,
00:25:56 and the Timberwolves have been leading, I think,
00:25:58 in every fourth quarter--
00:25:59 - Right.
00:26:00 - Of this game, or of this series.
00:26:02 I feel like it's not gonna be a sweep.
00:26:04 - Okay, but here's the thing.
00:26:06 It's been, every game, it's been a close series,
00:26:09 but the Mavericks have better players in Luka and Kyrie
00:26:14 who are absolute killers.
00:26:15 The Luka stare down, that's when a series is over.
00:26:18 He's done it.
00:26:19 And whenever he wins these series,
00:26:20 he just goes right up next to the guy
00:26:22 and just kind of looks at him.
00:26:23 He did that to Anthony Edwards on Sunday night.
00:26:25 But here are the stats.
00:26:26 So Dallas is, the Mavs are plus 13 in the series.
00:26:30 So they're, like, that's, to be up 3-0
00:26:33 and have the difference be 13 points is pretty crazy.
00:26:36 That means it's tight.
00:26:38 In the fourth quarter, semi, so this is from Seth Partno,
00:26:43 semi-contested shots, which means a defender's
00:26:45 within four and six feet of space.
00:26:48 The league average is 33% on those shots.
00:26:51 Luka and Kyrie are seven for nine.
00:26:54 The rest, all of Minnesota, six guys are three for 13.
00:26:58 That's the difference.
00:26:59 They have killers who, in the fourth quarter,
00:27:02 like the fourth quarter on Sunday night,
00:27:04 the Mavs scored 29 points.
00:27:06 21 of them were Luka and Kyrie.
00:27:09 Six of them were Luka and Kyrie assists.
00:27:11 And then there was two points,
00:27:12 I think it was Daniel Gafford tip in.
00:27:14 So, like, that's it.
00:27:16 The fourth quarter comes around
00:27:17 and they just take over the game.
00:27:18 And whether it's them shooting,
00:27:20 they're going my turn, your turn,
00:27:21 or them, like, that Luka lob to finish the game,
00:27:25 it's just, they're so much better
00:27:26 and they know what these big moments are
00:27:28 and they are coming through,
00:27:29 whereas the Timberwolves are not.
00:27:31 - And the pick and roll is a big problem for the T-Wolves.
00:27:33 So, big, big problem.
00:27:35 They are not, I don't know what their switching scheme is,
00:27:38 but it's not working.
00:27:39 And I don't think that they've changed it.
00:27:41 - Yeah, they just can't, Luka's just out of this world.
00:27:44 He just, he sees the game so well.
00:27:46 If you double team him, he'll get the ball,
00:27:50 he'll make the correct pass.
00:27:51 If you try to show a fake double team,
00:27:54 he'll make the right move.
00:27:56 His footwork, everything.
00:27:57 Sorry, Hank, this is glazing.
00:27:59 You want, oh, he's shaking his head.
00:28:01 - Oh, he's making notes.
00:28:02 - He's making notes.
00:28:03 This one, this tweet, are you making notes?
00:28:05 - No, I'm just listening.
00:28:06 - Okay.
00:28:07 This one comes from Andrew Bailey that was a crazy stat.
00:28:10 Luka's played his 43rd career playoff game on Sunday.
00:28:15 He has 1,336 points, 400 rebounds, and 355 assists
00:28:20 in his first 43 career playoff games.
00:28:24 No one else has those three totals
00:28:26 in their first 43 playoff games.
00:28:28 And if you took away 236 points,
00:28:33 so made it 1,100 points, you take away 100 rebounds
00:28:39 to make it 300 rebounds and 300 assists,
00:28:42 the list is just Luka, LeBron, Oscar Robinson.
00:28:44 So you have to basically take away 200 points,
00:28:48 100 rebounds, and 50 assists,
00:28:50 and then finally there are two other guys,
00:28:53 LeBron James, ever heard of him, and Oscar Robinson,
00:28:55 who join his category of their first 43 playoff games
00:28:59 and how good he's been.
00:29:00 - I feel like we also need to go back
00:29:02 and watch some tape of Oscar Robinson.
00:29:04 - Triple-double.
00:29:05 - He's Mr. Triple-double.
00:29:07 And he's in all these stats.
00:29:08 He's always the guy in these stats.
00:29:10 It's like, okay, there's two guys from,
00:29:12 one guy from the '90s, two guys from the 2000s,
00:29:14 two guys from the 2010s, and then there's Oscar.
00:29:17 I feel like we need to go watch some Oscar shit.
00:29:19 - Yeah, we should watch some Oscar.
00:29:20 But it's crazy what Luka has done,
00:29:22 and he's just ascending to be one of,
00:29:27 if not the best players in the NBA.
00:29:29 - Yeah, and when he screams at you,
00:29:31 he really wants you to die.
00:29:33 - And he's annoying.
00:29:35 I'll back anyone up who says that he's annoying
00:29:37 with how much he complains to the refs.
00:29:38 I will not disagree.
00:29:40 I just like watching him play basketball.
00:29:42 Like that fadeaway he had,
00:29:44 where his footwork was just so perfect,
00:29:48 and even that Rudy Gobert, that step back,
00:29:50 where it's like he knew he had him,
00:29:52 and there was just nothing Rudy could do,
00:29:54 and he had the perfect, got him off balance,
00:29:57 and then that two-step back, it's fun to watch.
00:30:00 Sorry, Hank.
00:30:01 - No, it is.
00:30:02 He's a great player.
00:30:03 - Tell you what, Kevin Love would've put the clamps on him.
00:30:05 Kevin Love, that was pretty much the exact same scenario
00:30:07 he had against Steph Curry.
00:30:08 - Yeah, true.
00:30:09 - Kevin Love, better defender than Rudy Gobert.
00:30:11 Write it down.
00:30:12 - So are you worried, Hank?
00:30:13 - No, I'm excited.
00:30:15 He's good.
00:30:16 I think the Celtics are a better team.
00:30:17 Great defense.
00:30:18 Just as much star power.
00:30:21 - Okay. - Just as much?
00:30:22 Wait, but we got Kyrie and we got Luka.
00:30:25 - Yeah, we have. - Two stars.
00:30:26 - Jalen Brown, Jason Dayton.
00:30:27 - You think they're equals?
00:30:29 - Yeah, I think, yeah.
00:30:30 - I think the supporting cast in Boston,
00:30:34 you could talk me into saying that they have an advantage
00:30:36 with the supporting cast, although Dallas is,
00:30:38 yeah, I know what you're about to say.
00:30:40 - I mean, they're--
00:30:40 - I know what you're about to say.
00:30:41 - I think--
00:30:42 - They don't have the experience.
00:30:43 - PJ Washington has hit 100 big shot corner threes
00:30:47 in the fourth quarter in these playoffs.
00:30:48 It's every single time, it's like,
00:30:50 oh, PJ Washington's there and he's gonna just fucking
00:30:53 be so wet from the corner.
00:30:55 - You're forgetting about KP, though.
00:30:56 Chris stops.
00:30:57 - I know.
00:30:58 I think it's gonna be incredible finals.
00:31:01 It's got everything you want.
00:31:02 Star power, like storylines, the Kyrie versus Boston.
00:31:07 It's gonna be every, like, whoever comes out of this,
00:31:10 Tatum or--
00:31:11 - Immortality's on the line.
00:31:12 - Yeah.
00:31:13 - Immortality.
00:31:14 - Immortality.
00:31:15 - Immortality, Hank.
00:31:17 Never gonna die.
00:31:19 - No, you win a final.
00:31:19 Is that banners, Hank, forever?
00:31:21 - No, that is true.
00:31:22 That's a fact.
00:31:23 That's a fact.
00:31:23 Max, did you think that the glazing was fair?
00:31:28 - Yeah, I mean, the Mavs have the best player on--
00:31:30 - Are you okay?
00:31:31 - Yeah, I don't know what's going on with me.
00:31:32 - I swear to God, he smoked a six.
00:31:34 - I smoked no six.
00:31:35 - He's got like--
00:31:36 - But the Mavs have the best player on the court
00:31:37 and they probably have the second best player on the court.
00:31:39 And you say that the Mavs don't have experience.
00:31:41 Well, the Mavs have someone who have actually won a finals.
00:31:45 - Yeah, they've won players, but in the finals.
00:31:48 - Well, who's won the finals.
00:31:50 - Okay.
00:31:51 Finals experience.
00:31:53 - Okay, I just wanted to make sure that that was stated.
00:31:56 - Stated.
00:31:57 - Noted.
00:31:58 - Also, was Markeef Morris not on one
00:32:01 of those Cleveland teams?
00:32:02 No.
00:32:03 - Drew Holiday may have won.
00:32:05 - Drew Holiday definitely has--
00:32:06 - Drew Holiday definitely has--
00:32:08 - A very big part of that finals championship.
00:32:10 - Yes, he 100%.
00:32:11 - Yeah, but Kyrie.
00:32:13 - Markeef Morris was on the Lakers bubble team,
00:32:15 which you guys have always said is a real title.
00:32:17 - No.
00:32:18 - Nope.
00:32:19 - Okay, so yeah.
00:32:22 So yeah, Drew Holiday definitely counts big time
00:32:25 as a guy who's won something big.
00:32:29 - Good point though, Max.
00:32:31 - Max, you were supposed to get in this
00:32:34 and like give us something good
00:32:36 and then you just owned yourself.
00:32:39 - But Kyrie's better.
00:32:41 - Okay, all right.
00:32:43 That's fair.
00:32:44 He's better.
00:32:45 Who's he better than?
00:32:46 Tatum?
00:32:47 - Than Drew Holiday.
00:32:48 - Oh, than Drew Holiday.
00:32:50 Okay, 'cause I don't think he's better than Tatum.
00:32:51 But he has been playing out of his mind.
00:32:53 - Their championship experience supersedes the Celtics
00:32:57 because their championship guy's better.
00:32:59 - Correct.
00:33:00 - Okay, got it.
00:33:01 I wanna make sure the numbers are right here.
00:33:04 - So their number two guy on the championship team
00:33:06 is better than the Bucs number two guy?
00:33:08 - Yes.
00:33:10 - Got it.
00:33:11 - Yeah, the Bucs number three guy on that championship team
00:33:13 is Chris Middleton, who's pretty good.
00:33:15 - And Pat Connerton.
00:33:16 - And Pat Connerton.
00:33:17 Don't forget Pat Connerton.
00:33:19 - Kevin Love.
00:33:20 - Delly?
00:33:21 No, Delly wasn't on that team.
00:33:22 But Delly would have been the number two.
00:33:25 It's gonna be pretty awesome.
00:33:26 - Is Delly not on that team?
00:33:27 - I don't think he was on the Bucs team,
00:33:28 but he was on the Cleveland team.
00:33:30 - Yeah.
00:33:31 - He won a championship.
00:33:32 - He was the number two on that team.
00:33:33 - He was the number two on that team.
00:33:34 - He was the number two on that team.
00:33:36 - It was like two Batmans.
00:33:38 You had Australian Batman,
00:33:39 and then kid from Cleveland Batman.
00:33:42 - All right, I'm excited.
00:33:46 So you think the Wolves are gonna win a game?
00:33:48 - I may put a little future on the Wolves
00:33:52 to be the first team to come back.
00:33:53 - And well, Anthony Edwards did say,
00:33:57 which I don't know if I agree with.
00:33:59 I love his confidence.
00:34:01 He is a breath of fresh air in confidence,
00:34:05 and very vocal about it.
00:34:07 But him saying after the game,
00:34:09 "I still don't feel like they can beat us, bro.
00:34:12 "We haven't all been clicking at one time,
00:34:15 "one game, one game."
00:34:17 I mean, the Mavs have proven they can beat them.
00:34:20 - I like the confidence, though.
00:34:22 - I still don't think they can beat us, bro.
00:34:24 - Well, how many games in a series, Big Cat?
00:34:26 - It is true.
00:34:27 He said, "Well, we're here now."
00:34:29 - First to four.
00:34:30 - What are we gonna do?
00:34:31 - All right, Timberwolves plus 1,000.
00:34:34 Carl Anthony Towns probably just giggled.
00:34:36 - They just can't be any worse.
00:34:38 And the thing is, they're not playing that,
00:34:41 don't get me wrong, they're not playing good,
00:34:43 but they're still building leads into the fourth quarter.
00:34:45 And I feel like with Lively out, that's a big factor.
00:34:48 That is a big, big--
00:34:49 - But he was out for the majority of that game.
00:34:50 - Yeah, they played, again, until the last three minutes
00:34:54 of the game, they played pretty good.
00:34:55 - But that's when you have Luka and Kyrie.
00:34:57 - That's when you have, so now--
00:34:58 - And you don't have Luka and Kyrie on the other team.
00:35:00 - Now you gotta build a little bit of a lead.
00:35:02 - Yeah.
00:35:03 - And let Luka and Kyrie do their thing,
00:35:04 and hopefully it won't affect,
00:35:05 I'm just gonna sprinkle it.
00:35:07 - Okay, all right, well Hank, I'm excited.
00:35:10 Was that an okay amount of glazing
00:35:11 that was nothing to do with the Celtics?
00:35:13 Jason Tatum's a very good player,
00:35:14 Jalen Brown's a very good player,
00:35:17 Drew Holliday's a very good player,
00:35:18 Derek White, friend of the program.
00:35:20 - Amazing player.
00:35:21 - Amazing player.
00:35:22 - Clutch.
00:35:23 - Clutch?
00:35:24 - Yeah, that was fine.
00:35:24 - It was good, are you okay?
00:35:25 - Yeah.
00:35:26 - So I don't want you to get your feelings hurt.
00:35:27 - Nope.
00:35:28 - Okay.
00:35:29 - I'm excited, see you in two weeks.
00:35:31 - Yeah, forever from now.
00:35:34 Should we talk a little hockey memes, you're in trouble.
00:35:36 - The Rangers.
00:35:37 - The Rangers.
00:35:39 - Yeah, the Panthers blow.
00:35:40 - Two overtime wins in a row, team of destiny?
00:35:45 - Yeah, the Rangers feel like they might be.
00:35:47 Like the Rangers, New York should be showing
00:35:49 the same enthusiasm to the Rangers
00:35:51 that they were showing to the Knicks.
00:35:53 Like the Rangers are the real deal.
00:35:55 - And they got their overtime goal,
00:35:57 nice dirty overtime goal to win game three.
00:36:01 You gotta be worried.
00:36:03 - Although the Stars look awesome.
00:36:05 - Well the Rangers didn't even play that well
00:36:07 when they won that game.
00:36:08 - Yeah, the Stars do look awesome.
00:36:10 - Yep.
00:36:11 - I mean the Stars were down two nothing
00:36:12 in the blink of an eye tonight,
00:36:14 and it's like, nope, now it's three two.
00:36:16 And they did that in game two as well,
00:36:18 where they were down early and it doesn't matter.
00:36:20 - Yeah, McDavid's gonna have some answering to do.
00:36:23 - Wow.
00:36:24 - We need Rangers Oilers though for the vibes.
00:36:26 - Rangers Oilers would be great.
00:36:27 Also are you a little worried that if the Mavs
00:36:30 and the Stars were in, that people would say Titletown?
00:36:33 - They'd have to win.
00:36:35 - I would love that, I would actually love it.
00:36:36 - Well, you don't have to win to claim Titletown.
00:36:39 Max taught us that.
00:36:39 - Yeah, that's a good point.
00:36:41 I would love it, I would love nothing more.
00:36:43 My wet dream is if we get the Stars win the Stanley Cup,
00:36:47 and we have the Rangers as the MLB champions,
00:36:49 and we have the Mavericks as the NBA champions,
00:36:51 and then the Cowboys go out there
00:36:53 and they lose in the first round of the playoffs.
00:36:55 - And it's all anyone cares about.
00:36:56 I know that obviously Dallas fans,
00:36:59 you do care, you're passionate about all your sports teams,
00:37:01 but you'd give it all up for a Cowboys Super Bowl.
00:37:03 - Yeah, and for all those in America besides Cowboys fans,
00:37:08 we're gonna come.
00:37:09 - Oh yeah.
00:37:09 - We're gonna come if that happens.
00:37:10 - Oh, we're coming, we're coming when that happens, big time.
00:37:13 Might go to the dual parade.
00:37:15 - Yeah, yeah.
00:37:17 - That would be sick.
00:37:18 - We might, when that happens, we might have to
00:37:21 raise banners of all the Dallas championships in here,
00:37:23 and then just have one empty spot.
00:37:25 - Titletown minus the Cowboys.
00:37:27 - Yeah.
00:37:27 - That's Jerry Jones' worst nightmare.
00:37:29 - It was at Arlington?
00:37:30 They'll just disassociate from the Cowboys.
00:37:32 They should be the Arlington Cowboys.
00:37:33 - Do you think, he's definitely rooting against them, right?
00:37:35 - I think in his heart of hearts, he has to be.
00:37:37 - Like deep down, he's gotta be like, this cannot happen.
00:37:39 - I just said he has a heart, that was a mistake.
00:37:41 In his soul, no, that's not good.
00:37:43 In the back, the brainstem,
00:37:45 the part that makes you mad or horny,
00:37:47 that's the part where Jerry Jones is like,
00:37:49 I hope they lose.
00:37:50 - In the shoe with cum in it.
00:37:51 - In the shoe, yes.
00:37:52 - Yeah.
00:37:53 - Oh my God.
00:37:54 - His cum shoe.
00:37:55 - I really, really.
00:37:55 - The cum shoe that Jerry Jones.
00:37:57 - Also, the Dallas Wings, they went to the WNBA finals.
00:38:00 - Oh.
00:38:01 - They lost the Vegas Aces,
00:38:02 so a lot of championship experience
00:38:05 in terms of making runs.
00:38:06 - Oh.
00:38:07 - The WNBA's in trouble.
00:38:10 - Are they in trouble?
00:38:11 Why?
00:38:12 - Because I think that they're,
00:38:14 Kaitlin Clark is adding so many new fans
00:38:18 and there's a lot of fans
00:38:19 that are just taking the fun out of sports.
00:38:22 - Yeah.
00:38:22 - 'Cause everything that happens in WNBA now
00:38:24 has to be a fucking bigger cultural talking point.
00:38:27 - That's where it's.
00:38:28 - It's like, hey, it's fucking sports.
00:38:30 Shut the fuck up.
00:38:31 - That's what we were saying on Friday.
00:38:33 - Yeah.
00:38:34 - There's seven think pieces after every game she plays.
00:38:37 - Correct.
00:38:38 - And I actually feel bad for Kaitlin Clark.
00:38:40 - And it's going.
00:38:41 - I really do, because what's happening is
00:38:42 there's no way that she can tune out all this stuff.
00:38:45 She's all that's being talked about in terms of the WNBA.
00:38:48 She's probably uncomfortable with that
00:38:49 because she's like, I'm a rookie.
00:38:51 I haven't done anything in the NBA yet.
00:38:52 I want to have a successful career in the WNBA.
00:38:55 And it's gonna be a big, big distraction
00:38:58 if every time I go out there and I lose a game,
00:39:01 then I've got seven people on slate.com
00:39:05 writing about why Kaitlin Clark is problematic for the league
00:39:08 and how the league has a marketing problem.
00:39:09 I feel bad for her.
00:39:10 I miss the days when Greg Doyle
00:39:13 was just being a sexual harassment creep on her.
00:39:15 - Those were the good old days.
00:39:16 I wish we knew it was the good old days
00:39:18 when it was the good old days.
00:39:19 But it's spread to everywhere in the WNBA
00:39:21 because it's a new, with new fans come like new opinions
00:39:26 and the new opinions are not about sports anymore
00:39:29 because they came like with Kaitlin Clark.
00:39:32 Did you see the Alyssa Thomas foul on Angel Reese?
00:39:35 And I don't know if it was a Sky game.
00:39:38 This person had 5,000 retweets.
00:39:41 I was just like, what is going on?
00:39:43 She said, unpopular opinion,
00:39:44 Alyssa Thomas throwing Angel Reese down on the court
00:39:47 is exactly how older black women
00:39:49 treat younger black women in many industries,
00:39:51 both professional and personal.
00:39:52 It's not tough love, it's envy.
00:39:54 - Stay out of sports.
00:39:55 - It was a hard foul.
00:39:56 - You shouldn't watch sports.
00:39:57 - Relax.
00:39:58 - Please stop watching sports.
00:39:59 - This is not fun anymore.
00:40:01 - We love sports.
00:40:02 We know it's stupid as shit, but we love it.
00:40:05 Please don't ruin this for us.
00:40:05 - I saw my brain just started to just be paralyzed.
00:40:09 I rubbed my head and I don't get migraines
00:40:11 when I got a migraine in that moment.
00:40:13 - Self-correction, Dallas Wings lost in the semis last year.
00:40:16 - Oh, I don't know if you could tell I didn't care.
00:40:21 (laughing)
00:40:23 You could have told me they won it
00:40:25 and I would have been like, okay.
00:40:27 - So Angel Reese did have a tweet
00:40:31 alluding to Caitlin Clarke the other night.
00:40:33 Did you see this?
00:40:34 - Yes, of course I saw it.
00:40:35 She deleted it.
00:40:36 - Yeah, it was after they won.
00:40:38 And that's on getting a win in a packed arena,
00:40:40 not just 'cause of one player on our charter flight.
00:40:43 Kiss emoji, #SkyTown.
00:40:46 Don't delete that.
00:40:48 Why'd she delete it?
00:40:49 - It's just not becoming fun anymore.
00:40:51 - But if she leaves that up, then she's talking shit
00:40:53 and she's like, yeah, I'm talking shit about Caitlin Clarke.
00:40:56 It's a good rivalry.
00:40:57 It's a continuation of the rivalry they had in college.
00:40:59 That's good for the league.
00:41:01 If you're gonna talk shit, that's fine.
00:41:02 You guys are gonna play each other again
00:41:04 and then you're gonna have,
00:41:05 somebody else is gonna win.
00:41:06 They're gonna talk shit back to you.
00:41:08 That's what sports should be about.
00:41:09 But instead, now she deleted it
00:41:11 because she's afraid of all the other outrage
00:41:14 going on around the Caitlin Clarke.
00:41:16 - Narrative. - Correct.
00:41:18 - Yeah, if I was Caitlin Clarke, I'd retire.
00:41:20 I'd be like, listen, this--
00:41:22 - I'd go to the big three.
00:41:23 - I don't mind getting hard fouled.
00:41:25 I don't mind getting hit in the face.
00:41:27 I don't mind getting knocked down.
00:41:28 I don't mind not making that much money
00:41:32 to play in a professional sports league.
00:41:34 But I'm just sick of all you losers writing columns about me.
00:41:36 - Right, right.
00:41:38 Just let me play basketball.
00:41:39 - Yeah.
00:41:40 - She should actually reverse it and be like,
00:41:42 hey, can you guys just shut up and let me dribble?
00:41:44 - Yeah.
00:41:45 - You know what she should say?
00:41:47 She should say, shut up and scribble.
00:41:49 - Yeah.
00:41:50 - To the fucking-- - Yeah.
00:41:51 - To those that are taking all the fun out of it.
00:41:52 - A little scribble.
00:41:53 - Shut up and scribble.
00:41:54 - A little scribble scrabble.
00:41:55 - Yeah.
00:41:56 - My daughter always like, hey,
00:41:59 can I do some scribble scrabble?
00:42:00 I'm like, sure, hand her a pen.
00:42:02 Literally, that's all it is.
00:42:04 She just scribbles.
00:42:05 Nothing.
00:42:06 Just scribbling.
00:42:07 - Sounds like you're disappointed.
00:42:08 - For like a half hour.
00:42:09 Well, yeah, it'd be nice if she could just draw me
00:42:11 or something.
00:42:12 She's scribble scrabbling.
00:42:14 She says like, I'm scribble scrabbling.
00:42:16 It's like, okay, that's what Greg Doyle's doing right now.
00:42:18 - He's scribbling.
00:42:19 - Sitting by himself.
00:42:20 - Imagine that-- - Scribble scrabbling.
00:42:21 - It takes that man is cooking up in his brain
00:42:23 with all this time to just think.
00:42:25 - Yeah, yeah.
00:42:26 What are you gonna say, Max?
00:42:28 - So the Rangers game.
00:42:30 - What the fuck?
00:42:31 (laughing)
00:42:34 - It's all one song.
00:42:35 - Yeah, so the Rangers--
00:42:36 - So the Rangers game.
00:42:37 - The Rangers are, they're a very good hockey team.
00:42:40 - That was quite a tangent.
00:42:42 - Memes, you are in hell.
00:42:44 - I thought you guys were gonna blow right by it.
00:42:46 - Also, Memes, Memes' new thing is he just does all caps.
00:42:51 So he'll just tweet it and be all caps to be like,
00:42:53 look, I'm excited for the Rangers.
00:42:56 But it's all caps in the most monotone,
00:42:58 like Rangers winning overtime, but it's all caps.
00:43:01 - Oh, Memes has been on that shit for a while.
00:43:04 - Oh yeah, but-- - Every postseason.
00:43:06 - All caps is a new part that he's doing
00:43:08 where he's like trying to get people off the scent.
00:43:11 Like, hey, I'm not editorializing it.
00:43:14 But it's just the same nothing, but just all caps.
00:43:17 - So it's by far Memes' least favorite part of his job.
00:43:21 And that includes cleaning up turtle shit.
00:43:23 Is having to post a--
00:43:25 - He loves his little Mr. Pair.
00:43:26 - He does love that, but he hates more than anything
00:43:29 having to post Rangers highlights.
00:43:31 - Memes, speaking of which, how mad were you at me on Sunday
00:43:36 when I tweeted at you, hey, are we covering
00:43:40 the Rangers game when they went up,
00:43:42 like would they go up 4-2?
00:43:44 - Yeah, I was pretty fired up about it.
00:43:47 - Yeah, and he hadn't tweeted anything.
00:43:49 And I just tweeted him, I was like,
00:43:50 hey, are we covering the Rangers game right now?
00:43:53 - I think when they went up 2-1, you tweeted it.
00:43:55 - Yeah, you just weren't gonna cover 'em?
00:43:58 - No, I was covering 'em.
00:43:59 - Not until that point. - I think I only tweeted out
00:44:01 Rangers goals. - Oh wow.
00:44:03 Reverse it on 'em.
00:44:03 You were trying to jinx or something.
00:44:06 - No, they were playing really good.
00:44:08 Their goalie's really good.
00:44:09 The Panthers just can't make a fucking shot.
00:44:11 They had 108 shots and they couldn't get five in.
00:44:15 - Just darken.
00:44:16 - That's pretty crazy.
00:44:17 - 108. - If they win the Stanley Cup.
00:44:18 - How many on goal?
00:44:20 - 43 to 48, one of those numbers.
00:44:25 - If the Rangers win the Stanley Cup,
00:44:26 not only should we send memes to the parade to cover it,
00:44:28 we should also hang a banner just over his head
00:44:31 in that glass room.
00:44:33 - That'd be nice.
00:44:35 - We should also put Hank's banner in there
00:44:37 right above Max's if the Celtics win.
00:44:38 - Yeah, that'd be a nice touch.
00:44:40 Just yeah, that would be our trophy case in there.
00:44:42 The booth is, yeah, the Canyon of Heroes in the booth.
00:44:47 - I like that.
00:44:48 - Yeah, you like that?
00:44:49 You like that?
00:44:50 Max, by the way, is out for blood in the NBA Finals.
00:44:53 - Yeah, which is honestly a good thing.
00:44:56 Hop on board the Mavericks train.
00:44:58 - I just wanna know how you're gonna hurt Luca
00:44:59 in the second game of the series.
00:45:01 - Why do you say that, Max?
00:45:02 - Oh, because that's how every series
00:45:04 has gone for the Celtics, that's why.
00:45:06 And Hank just doesn't talk about it.
00:45:08 - Yeah, you don't talk about that.
00:45:09 - I mean, we talk about it every time we play.
00:45:11 Who's on the floor in front of you?
00:45:14 - I mean, you were talking about how it was a hard fought
00:45:16 game against the Pacers and how they're a really good team
00:45:18 and then you didn't say that Tyra Salabert
00:45:21 didn't play the last two games.
00:45:22 - That's a good point.
00:45:23 - Both of those things can be true.
00:45:25 - If you're a detective and a woman's been married
00:45:28 five times and all four of her ex-husbands
00:45:31 have been murdered mysteriously.
00:45:33 - Is this a Tiger King lady?
00:45:35 - Yeah, it's like Carole Baskin.
00:45:37 - Okay, yeah.
00:45:38 So now we're looking at the Celtics
00:45:40 and we've got Jimmy Butler,
00:45:41 we've got the entire New York Knicks,
00:45:44 excuse me, the Celtics did not play them.
00:45:46 I'm sorry.
00:45:46 - If Donovan Mitchell didn't make it.
00:45:48 - I'm thinking about Donovan Mitchell,
00:45:51 who got very hurt.
00:45:52 - And Jared Allen.
00:45:53 - Jared Allen got hurt and now I'm thinking
00:45:55 of Tyrese Halberton on the Pacers.
00:45:58 There's one common thread there.
00:45:59 - And Rick Carlisle's brain.
00:46:00 - Yeah, his brain.
00:46:01 - Brain was very hurt.
00:46:03 - Again, I hope, I don't want Luke to get hurt.
00:46:06 I'm not rooting for injuries.
00:46:06 I want to beat the Mavs.
00:46:08 - You tried to injure TJ McConnell tonight too.
00:46:10 - It is funny because we started this whole playoffs
00:46:12 when you were clearly rooting for the Nuggets to get hurt.
00:46:14 So it is full circle.
00:46:16 - I have never once said anything
00:46:19 about rooting for injuries.
00:46:21 - I'm gonna side with Hank that you can't apologize
00:46:23 for other teams getting injured.
00:46:24 - Yeah, but it's fun to ask him.
00:46:25 - Yeah, yeah, you can't apologize for that.
00:46:28 - No, fuck no.
00:46:29 - But if you were, would you?
00:46:31 - No.
00:46:32 - If you could apologize, would you?
00:46:33 - Absolutely not.
00:46:34 - Well, Hank, you've said numerous times
00:46:36 that Luka is a much better player than Kyrie Irving, right?
00:46:39 You have Luka ranked well ahead of him.
00:46:41 Which player would you rather see get injured
00:46:44 on the Mavericks?
00:46:45 - Neither.
00:46:46 - Luka or Kyrie because of the lucky factor.
00:46:47 - Neither.
00:46:48 - What if it was his lucky stomping foot that got him?
00:46:49 - I want to beat them full strength.
00:46:51 - Okay.
00:46:54 Do we have anything else before we get to Hot Seat Cool Throw
00:46:58 and there's a lot of sports stuff.
00:47:00 Oh, shout out the Indy 500, it happened.
00:47:02 Wouldn't it be crazy, PFT, if you were someone who,
00:47:07 let's say, quote unquote, has shit for brains,
00:47:10 watched last year's Indy 500 for a solid 20 minutes
00:47:16 not realizing it was in rain delay.
00:47:17 Wouldn't that be crazy?
00:47:18 - We did that one time with the Royal Rumble.
00:47:21 - I fucking, I watched it for 20 minutes kind of zoning out
00:47:26 and then I saw that an hour and a half later
00:47:30 the rain has cleared, we're about to start the race.
00:47:33 What the fuck?
00:47:34 - Yeah.
00:47:35 - I was rooting for it too.
00:47:35 I bet it and I was like, oh man, my guy's in seventh.
00:47:38 This is pretty good.
00:47:39 - There's no way to know that's last year's race.
00:47:41 It's the same cars going around the same circle.
00:47:44 It's not even a circle.
00:47:45 - I felt really dumb on that one.
00:47:46 - The Indy fans will get mad at me for saying it's a circle.
00:47:48 Going around the same track, same cars.
00:47:50 - Only 200 laps though.
00:47:52 - Make it about. - Asterix.
00:47:53 - Yeah, Asterix, big time Asterix.
00:47:56 Okay, let's do Hot Seat Cool Throw
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00:50:48 Hot seat, cool throne, Hank.
00:50:50 My hot seat is Rafa.
00:50:52 - Yeah. - Yeah.
00:50:53 - Yeah. - Uh.
00:50:53 - Uh. - Uh.
00:50:54 - Uh. - Uh.
00:50:55 - Uh. - Uh.
00:50:56 - End of an era.
00:50:59 The king of clay.
00:51:00 - Yeah, not anymore.
00:51:01 - Went down. - Uh.
00:51:03 - People are saying it's probably his last one.
00:51:05 - First round, right?
00:51:06 - First round. - He got screwed up the draw.
00:51:09 - Yeah. - Oh, that's loser talk.
00:51:11 That's loser talk, he lost in the first round.
00:51:14 - Yeah, it's Zverev.
00:51:15 Four seat.
00:51:16 - If Djokovic lost in the first round,
00:51:17 you would've been like, kick him out of the country,
00:51:20 he's not vaxxed.
00:51:21 - Well, that's what happened at the Aussie Open.
00:51:22 - Yeah, I know.
00:51:24 Point me.
00:51:25 - Djoker was watching--
00:51:27 - I'm up 15 love right now, Jake.
00:51:29 - Okay. - Uh.
00:51:30 - Djoker was watching Rafa
00:51:32 because he appreciates greatness.
00:51:34 - Is he playing in the French Open?
00:51:36 - Yes. - Uh.
00:51:36 So who cares, he fucking had a day off.
00:51:38 Uh, 30 love, me.
00:51:41 What are you talking about?
00:51:42 Everyone, when they play like tournament games,
00:51:46 the team goes and watches after the game
00:51:48 or before the game, they watch who they're playing.
00:51:50 Uh. - Depends.
00:51:51 - Yeah. - He's probably scouting.
00:51:53 - He's there, it would be cool if he flew in
00:51:55 just to see it, no, he was just hanging out,
00:51:58 he was like, oh, I'll go watch Rafa, uh.
00:52:00 - He was probably scouting Sverd.
00:52:01 - Zverev. - Zverev, yeah, of course he was.
00:52:04 30 love, me.
00:52:06 - Okay.
00:52:08 - Any other brain, any other shots you want me
00:52:11 to hit back at you?
00:52:13 Forehand, backhand?
00:52:13 - 112 and four is his French Open record.
00:52:16 - Okay, and what is he lately?
00:52:18 Oh, what's his last one?
00:52:20 - 0 and one.
00:52:21 - Oh, 40 love, me.
00:52:23 This tennis shit is easy.
00:52:25 - I do feel like if Clay, if he doesn't have Clay anymore.
00:52:29 - Yeah. - It can't be,
00:52:30 he can't be long for this. - Yeah, he goes long time here.
00:52:32 - No, that is a crazy record, what is it?
00:52:34 - 112 and four. - Ooh, that's nuts.
00:52:37 - That's insane. - How can he be that good
00:52:39 on that surface?
00:52:40 - Who did he lose to in, so how many,
00:52:44 French Opens has he won?
00:52:45 - I think around a dozen.
00:52:47 - And who has he lost to in the finals before?
00:52:50 - Was it Joker?
00:52:51 - No, I'm asking, no, I honestly don't know.
00:52:53 I know this was a first round loss.
00:52:54 - 14 French Opens.
00:52:56 - And who did he, did he lose to anyone?
00:52:58 'Cause like he obviously is the king of the clay.
00:53:00 That's not up for discussion,
00:53:02 but did he ever lose in the finals
00:53:04 or was it always like upsets in the first round?
00:53:07 - Standby.
00:53:10 - Okay, you're looking up. - Okay, Joker.
00:53:12 - In 2015 quarter finals. - What was that?
00:53:14 - Joker? - Joker, 2015 quarter finals.
00:53:16 - Oh, game me, that was easy, game point.
00:53:19 - In 2016, he had to withdraw before his third round match.
00:53:23 - Okay.
00:53:24 - Joker, semi-finals 2021. - Oh, whoops, whoops.
00:53:29 - And then Zverev today, straight sets.
00:53:32 - Jake, there's no way that you did not know
00:53:35 what Big Cat was saying.
00:53:36 - No, I mean, obviously. - Of course I knew, game me.
00:53:38 You didn't even score a point, you got loved.
00:53:41 - Okay, but the game was a very small portion of the set.
00:53:46 - Oh, you wanna do a set?
00:53:47 You wanna do a set?
00:53:48 How much time we got?
00:53:49 - Do an entire podcast.
00:53:51 - Just me scoring points.
00:53:52 No, it actually is insane.
00:53:54 One 12 and four is crazy.
00:53:56 Is that all you had, Hank, just that he lost?
00:54:00 - Yeah. - Kind of a hater move.
00:54:02 - End of an era, hot seat.
00:54:03 - Yeah, true. - I am on the cool throne.
00:54:05 - Is he done? - No, not officially.
00:54:08 - Okay.
00:54:09 - Yeah, but he's done if he loses
00:54:11 in the first round of the French Open.
00:54:12 - But a bad draw. - Bad draw.
00:54:14 - That's a bad draw.
00:54:16 - A bad draw might be the biggest loser talk ever.
00:54:19 - Everyone was saying all kind of stupid.
00:54:20 - I would never lose in the first round.
00:54:21 - Never. - Too much pride.
00:54:23 - My other hot seat is Max.
00:54:25 He's performing this weekend with Pop Punk.
00:54:29 He's nervous about it.
00:54:30 He's been pacing around the office.
00:54:31 - Yeah, Jerry. - It's on Weed,
00:54:33 one of my favorite places in all of Chicago.
00:54:35 - Very excited about that.
00:54:36 - I'm excited for a home crowd concert, Pop Punk.
00:54:40 - Yes, there's a bunch of people from Barstool
00:54:42 are going out there and it's gonna be a blast.
00:54:44 These are always one of the most fun times
00:54:45 that we have as a company and Max is singing a song.
00:54:49 I'm not gonna say what song he's singing.
00:54:50 - Yeah, I'm nervous memorizing stuff, scary.
00:54:55 - He's got a good voice. - What's the song?
00:54:57 - I don't want to-- - It'll be good.
00:55:00 It'll be good for publicity.
00:55:01 - Some people have said that Max looks like Fat Dave Grohl.
00:55:05 Some people have said that.
00:55:07 - So what are we gonna do?
00:55:08 - Dave Rohl is what they call him.
00:55:09 - So what are we gonna do?
00:55:11 - So he might be doing, Max would sing for the Food Fighters.
00:55:14 - The Food Fighters. - Got it.
00:55:17 I'm very excited.
00:55:18 It is, I mean, not to glaze PFT, I'm gonna glaze him
00:55:21 because I love him.
00:55:22 He's really fucking good at guitar
00:55:24 and their band is really good.
00:55:25 So it's like a very fun night out.
00:55:30 So if you want live music, and it's not that expensive.
00:55:33 - It's not that expensive.
00:55:34 - Buy tickets now. - And Joe's Unweed is awesome.
00:55:36 - Joe's Unweed's a great place.
00:55:37 Rone is an awesome front man.
00:55:38 Rone kicks ass at everything that he does.
00:55:40 He's a very good front man for a band.
00:55:42 We got Robbie on bass, Frankie on drums,
00:55:44 who's also gonna be singing.
00:55:45 Frankie's got some pipes on him.
00:55:47 - Yeah, he does. - He's a good singer.
00:55:48 And then we got Nick Hamilton on keyboards, guitars,
00:55:51 and then Caroline's also singing.
00:55:53 - Love it. - So it's gonna be
00:55:53 a good time, come out to Joe's Unweed.
00:55:55 - Hell yes, Friday night.
00:55:57 - Good Cool Throne, Hank.
00:55:58 - Thank you.
00:55:59 No, that was my hot seat.
00:56:01 - Max. - No, hot seat Max.
00:56:02 - What song?
00:56:03 - My Cool Throne is--
00:56:05 - Spoil it.
00:56:06 - No, just people get excited about it.
00:56:07 - My Cool Throne is Mark Davis.
00:56:09 - Lucky wrench.
00:56:10 - Yes, good call, yeah, Mark Davis.
00:56:12 - A report came out that he got
00:56:14 his 27-year-old girlfriend pregnant,
00:56:17 but then she came out on Instagram and said,
00:56:19 "The reports of Mark Davis being the father of my child
00:56:21 "are wildly untrue."
00:56:22 So.
00:56:23 - Oh.
00:56:24 Oh.
00:56:26 - How is this Cool Throne Mark Davis?
00:56:28 - I don't think you wanna be a new father at 70.
00:56:30 - No, I think that's exactly when you wanna be a new dad.
00:56:33 - Don't think you want a woman being so repulsed
00:56:36 that she has to issue a press release being like,
00:56:39 I sat next to him at a concert or a football game once.
00:56:43 He is not the father of my child.
00:56:45 - Is that all we had to go on?
00:56:46 Was that, there was a screenshot?
00:56:47 - Well, Dove, I mean, Dove's been getting into
00:56:50 some weird breaking news.
00:56:53 I don't know if he actually broke it,
00:56:55 if someone else broke it, and then he caught,
00:56:56 he probably, yeah, that's probably exactly how it went.
00:56:58 - Yeah, no, Dove did not break it.
00:56:59 - Yeah, yeah.
00:57:00 - But someone just saw, she posted,
00:57:03 I'm pregnant announcement, and then they're like,
00:57:05 oh, she was at a Raiders game with Mark Davis two years ago,
00:57:08 must be Mark Davis.
00:57:09 - So anybody that--
00:57:10 - I was pictured sitting next to him at a game in 2022
00:57:12 and have endured false rumors of a romantic relationship
00:57:14 since, I was just a guest sitting in the owner's box
00:57:17 with other friends.
00:57:18 - Yeah, so that's where I feel like it sucks
00:57:21 to be Mark Davis that this woman's like,
00:57:23 ew, no, everyone stop saying this.
00:57:26 I just saw him once.
00:57:28 - Yeah, Mark Davis was--
00:57:29 - She's basically publicly made an announcement
00:57:32 of friend zone.
00:57:34 - He got a nice little boost, I think,
00:57:36 that just having people assume that he was the father
00:57:39 was good for him.
00:57:40 He's probably relishing in that.
00:57:42 - Right, so I don't know.
00:57:44 I kind of feel bad for Mark Davis in this one.
00:57:47 - All right, so Hussie.
00:57:47 - Yeah, 'cause you don't, I mean, think about it.
00:57:49 That is to be like, oh, we're not dating.
00:57:53 - Yeah, he's a really nice guy,
00:57:57 is basically what she said.
00:57:58 - Like, he would make a great father, just not for me.
00:58:01 - Yeah.
00:58:02 - Not for my child.
00:58:03 - Make some woman very, very lucky one day.
00:58:05 - I would have rocked if he was a 70-year-old dad
00:58:07 just 'cause he'd have a kid
00:58:10 and he'd come out right with a bowl cut.
00:58:11 - Yeah, be cute little baby.
00:58:12 - Like P.F. Chang's wristband.
00:58:15 It would be heir apparent to the Raiders.
00:58:17 - The way I wish she should have done this
00:58:20 would be if she said, that's not his baby,
00:58:24 we just did it in the butt.
00:58:25 - Yeah, right.
00:58:26 - That's what she should have said.
00:58:27 - Only mouth stuff.
00:58:29 - What you know about that, hey?
00:58:31 - Only mouth stuff.
00:58:32 That would have been nice for Mark Davis.
00:58:34 Instead, it was just the, ew, no way.
00:58:36 - Yeah.
00:58:37 - I never, I never.
00:58:39 - It's sad.
00:58:40 - Yeah.
00:58:41 - It's sad billionaires can't even get laid anymore.
00:58:43 - Seriously.
00:58:44 Well, you know what?
00:58:45 Mark Davis, let us interview on,
00:58:47 pardon my taking, we'll go out on the town
00:58:49 and we'll be your wingman.
00:58:50 - Yeah, we'll find you a nice girl.
00:58:51 - We'll fucking, we'll talk you up.
00:58:55 We'll talk you up so crazy.
00:58:57 - My boy over there.
00:59:00 - You wanna see my boy over there?
00:59:01 - My boy over there thinks you're cute.
00:59:03 It's literally Mark Davis.
00:59:04 - See my boy over there?
00:59:05 - In a white suit.
00:59:06 - Yeah, actually, it's actually kind of
00:59:09 a pretty popular haircut right now.
00:59:11 Mark Davis, Jeff Nadu, it's kind of actually
00:59:15 hot on the internet.
00:59:16 - They called that the Caesar.
00:59:17 (laughing)
00:59:19 Back in the day, 'cause he's the most
00:59:20 powerful person in the world.
00:59:21 - See my boy over there?
00:59:22 He owns the Raiders.
00:59:24 - Well, his mom does, but he kinda does.
00:59:28 - But his dad used to own the Raiders.
00:59:30 Everyone, his dad was a hell of a guy.
00:59:33 - See my boy over there?
00:59:36 He's so confident, he wears all white
00:59:39 while eating buffalo wings.
00:59:41 - See my, look how good he looks now
00:59:43 that he's no longer wearing the propeller hat beanie.
00:59:45 - Oh man, yeah.
00:59:50 See my boy over there?
00:59:51 He drives a conversion van.
00:59:52 Bet you'd never guess that.
00:59:54 - No, actually I would.
00:59:55 All right, Mark Davis, we got you.
00:59:57 - My boy over there, he can drink seven sweet teas
01:00:02 at P.F. Chang's before the appetizers come out.
01:00:04 - Yeah, if you're asking--
01:00:05 - That's a fact.
01:00:05 - If you're asking if the carpet matches the drapes,
01:00:09 they do.
01:00:10 - You ever seen--
01:00:10 - He's got a bowl cut for his penis.
01:00:11 - You ever seen a dick with freckles on it before?
01:00:15 - Now you have.
01:00:16 All right, yeah, we got this.
01:00:17 - My boy.
01:00:18 - All right, your hot seat, cool, Taron.
01:00:20 - My hot seat is complaining about umpires.
01:00:22 - Yeah.
01:00:23 - Because the MLB world lost a real one today.
01:00:27 Angel Hernandez, Angel got his wings.
01:00:29 - I'm sad about this.
01:00:31 - He's not dead, he's retiring.
01:00:32 Angel Hernandez, Major League Baseball umpire,
01:00:36 much, much better human being.
01:00:38 - Yeah.
01:00:39 - Even better of a human being than he is as an umpire.
01:00:42 Way better.
01:00:43 So he retired today.
01:00:44 - And probably not a great human being.
01:00:46 - Much, much better, way better.
01:00:48 He retired kind of abruptly, and he said,
01:00:51 "Starting with my first Major League game in 1991."
01:00:54 That's a long ass time.
01:00:55 - Yeah, that is.
01:00:56 - His eyes can't be, well,
01:00:57 they're definitely not good anymore.
01:00:59 "I have had the very good experience
01:01:01 "of living out my childhood dream
01:01:02 "of umpiring the major leagues.
01:01:04 "I treasured the camaraderie of my colleagues
01:01:06 "and the friendships I've made along the way.
01:01:08 "I've decided that I want to spend more time
01:01:10 "with my family."
01:01:12 So it sounds like this is his decision
01:01:15 that he's leaving to spend more time with his family
01:01:17 all of a sudden in the middle
01:01:18 of Major League Baseball season.
01:01:20 That happens all the time.
01:01:21 - Yeah.
01:01:22 I'm gonna miss him.
01:01:24 - Of course.
01:01:25 Of course you're gonna miss him.
01:01:26 - You can't have guys like this.
01:01:28 Like, we need at least a couple Diva umps out there.
01:01:33 We lost Joe West.
01:01:36 Now we lose Angel Hernandez.
01:01:37 It was always good for just, you know,
01:01:40 having a moment where like,
01:01:41 "Can you believe Angel Hernandez did this?"
01:01:43 - Yeah, it felt like Major League Baseball media
01:01:47 really hated him.
01:01:48 But outside the MLB tight-knit circle,
01:01:52 it's like you can appreciate art.
01:01:54 - Yeah, right.
01:01:55 How ridiculously bad he is.
01:01:56 - Angel Hernandez took bad umpiring to an art
01:02:00 that we haven't seen before.
01:02:02 I don't know if we'll see it again.
01:02:04 But yeah, it's always good to have one guy like that.
01:02:07 You can't have two or three guys like that
01:02:08 in the game at the same time.
01:02:09 It's like when Joey Crawford retired,
01:02:12 next man up, Scott Foster.
01:02:13 - Right, right.
01:02:14 - New guy.
01:02:15 So who's next up?
01:02:15 Who's the next umpire that we gotta hate?
01:02:17 - We gotta find someone.
01:02:18 I feel like a lot of people don't like CB Buckner.
01:02:20 - Okay, great.
01:02:20 - Okay, done.
01:02:21 - Yeah, fuck Stevie Buckner.
01:02:22 - You're on the list.
01:02:23 - I hate him.
01:02:24 - CB, CB.
01:02:25 - Oh, CB?
01:02:26 - Yeah.
01:02:26 - CB Buckner.
01:02:27 - Yeah.
01:02:28 - That's a 10-4.
01:02:29 - Yeah, Angel Hernandez was so bad.
01:02:32 But again, if you're gonna be bad, just be the worst.
01:02:35 - Yeah.
01:02:36 - And he was the worst.
01:02:37 - By far.
01:02:38 - Which is, I tip my hat if you're like,
01:02:41 you don't wanna be bad and in a mix of other bad guys.
01:02:43 You want everyone to be like,
01:02:44 "Angel Hernandez, that guy's the worst."
01:02:47 - Yep.
01:02:48 - Fact.
01:02:49 My cool throne is misogynistic NFL kickers.
01:02:53 So former Jaguars kicker Brandon McManus
01:02:56 got accused of groping two flight attendants
01:02:59 on the team chartered flight from Jacksonville to England
01:03:04 to go play their London game last year.
01:03:06 And apparently he was like throwing money at 'em,
01:03:09 making 'em dance like strippers on the team plane.
01:03:12 This seems like it would've been
01:03:13 an Urban Meyer culture type move.
01:03:15 Maybe just a little bit left over from that.
01:03:18 I actually know Urban would've missed the flight.
01:03:20 He would've stayed home and found some strange on his own.
01:03:23 - I got a question. - Yeah.
01:03:24 - He's a former Jaguars kicker.
01:03:25 - Former Jaguars, who does he play for now?
01:03:27 - Former Jaguars kicker.
01:03:28 - Who does he play for now?
01:03:29 - Former Jaguars kicker.
01:03:31 - Jake, who does he play for now?
01:03:32 - When these actions occurred,
01:03:34 he was a member of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
01:03:36 - But he got signed by a team after doing this?
01:03:39 - Well, no, the accusations just came to light right now.
01:03:41 So whatever team signed him
01:03:43 is doing a full thorough investigation
01:03:45 into these allegations.
01:03:46 And you can rest assured they'll leave no stone unturned
01:03:48 because whatever team that has him
01:03:50 is the type of organization
01:03:52 that does not tolerate that sort of thing.
01:03:53 - He is the kicker of the Washington Command.
01:03:56 - Oh! - Ooh.
01:03:57 - Former Jaguars kicker. - Dang.
01:03:58 - Is how he's being labeled.
01:03:59 I'm going to continue to refer to him as such.
01:04:02 We'll see where the investigation takes us.
01:04:05 If it's true, he should be cut.
01:04:07 And I think he will be cut if it's true.
01:04:08 - He's gotta be the only commander ever who's like,
01:04:11 "Man, I wish Dan Snyder was still the owner."
01:04:13 - Yeah, that's the thing is like, if he was-
01:04:15 - Like, he just, you know the whole like,
01:04:17 "Oh, I was born in the wrong era."
01:04:19 - Yeah.
01:04:20 - Brandon McMahon is signed with the commanders
01:04:21 in the wrong era by a year.
01:04:23 - He would have been kicker for life.
01:04:24 - So PFT, is your team about to have an open position
01:04:27 for your position?
01:04:28 - I retired from kicking, Jake.
01:04:30 I retired.
01:04:31 - But this is a dream opportunity, potentially.
01:04:32 - If they ask me to camp, I will attend.
01:04:35 - I also feel like that's not a dream opportunity
01:04:38 'cause like, what if you lost a game for them?
01:04:40 - I would actually much rather-
01:04:41 - That would suck.
01:04:42 - I would rather be a kicker on the Cowboys
01:04:44 than on the Commanders because then I could just lose game.
01:04:47 - Right, like you'd have a double whammy
01:04:48 if you missed a kick.
01:04:49 Like, "Oh, not only did I lose, but my team lost
01:04:51 and now I have to podcast about it."
01:04:53 - If they're looking for some camp fodder,
01:04:54 for you know, just some live bodies to bring out
01:04:56 during training camp, I will kick.
01:04:58 But you know what, he was really happy about this,
01:05:01 probably Harrison Bucker.
01:05:02 Actually, I bet you there's a lot of people saying,
01:05:05 "Why don't you keep that same energy?
01:05:07 No one's talking about Brandon McManus.
01:05:09 Everyone talked about Harrison Bucker.
01:05:10 Let those people know on the record,
01:05:13 we're talking about Brandon McManus."
01:05:15 - Right.
01:05:15 - Although Harrison Bucker would probably be like,
01:05:17 "Well, if they had just been home with the family
01:05:20 and not working as a flight attendant,
01:05:22 this wouldn't have happened."
01:05:22 - Yeah, he shouldn't have been in a room with a woman.
01:05:26 - Yeah, correct, yes.
01:05:27 - That isn't his wife.
01:05:28 - Yeah.
01:05:29 - Old Mike Pence.
01:05:30 - Agreed.
01:05:31 - Okay, good hot seat, cool throne.
01:05:33 My hot seat is NBA players
01:05:37 because Draymond Green says that the NBA
01:05:39 does not set up NBA players to retire with wealth.
01:05:44 - Okay.
01:05:45 - Draymond Green made $177 million so far.
01:05:49 Now, he said it was because taxes, which everyone pays,
01:05:54 but also the fine system is basically trying
01:05:59 to keep NBA players poor.
01:06:01 - Did Draymond Green, did he accrue a larger
01:06:05 than usual amount of fines over the course of his career?
01:06:07 - He did, he did, he did.
01:06:10 But he also quoted like, he was like,
01:06:12 "Yeah, I got a technical $2,000 fine."
01:06:15 Okay, $2,000, not a insignificant amount of money
01:06:20 unless you've made $177 million.
01:06:23 But yeah, I looked it up, PFT, just because I was curious.
01:06:26 And he has been fined over $2 million.
01:06:29 But some of the fines, let's just throw them out there.
01:06:32 Conduct detrimental to the team.
01:06:35 That was when he knocked out Jordan Poole.
01:06:38 That feels like that was on you, Draymond Green.
01:06:40 You could have easily avoided that fine
01:06:42 by not punching your teammate in the face.
01:06:45 How about this one?
01:06:46 Stepping on the chest of DeMantis Sabonis
01:06:49 during the Warriors-Kings game.
01:06:52 Also very avoidable.
01:06:54 For escalating on-court altercation
01:06:56 during Minnesota-Golden State game,
01:06:58 that was when he choked Rudy Gobert.
01:07:00 Kind of on you, Draymond.
01:07:02 And then the last one for striking Yusef Kirkic
01:07:07 in the face during the Golden State-Suns game
01:07:10 where he just punched him in the face again on you.
01:07:14 - Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff
01:07:15 that Draymond's done that probably
01:07:16 ended up being deserved fines.
01:07:19 Is this a case of being like,
01:07:22 it's the wrong messenger saying it?
01:07:24 Does he have a point?
01:07:25 I don't know.
01:07:26 I don't know what the NBA does or does not do.
01:07:28 I don't think that Draymond is probably the one to say,
01:07:31 hey, with all these crazy fines that they're leveling out,
01:07:34 it's really taken away from our ability
01:07:36 to have a career post.
01:07:37 Draymond doesn't need a career post.
01:07:39 His career is, he was in the NBA
01:07:41 and he can do whatever the fuck he wants.
01:07:42 - Correct.
01:07:43 - But what about, I know like with NFL players,
01:07:45 your window is so small and the last guy on the bench,
01:07:48 they don't make that much money.
01:07:50 Definitely not enough to set them up for life.
01:07:51 And they get like two years at it sometimes.
01:07:54 In the NBA, what does a 10th man make in the NBA?
01:07:56 - A lot of money.
01:07:57 - A lot of money.
01:07:58 - A lot of money.
01:07:59 I mean, remember when Tony Snell
01:08:00 signed like a $40 million contract?
01:08:04 - Yeah.
01:08:05 - Tony Snell.
01:08:06 They make a lot of money.
01:08:07 - They make a ton of money.
01:08:07 - It's all guaranteed.
01:08:09 I have a theory.
01:08:10 I think Draymond Green knows it's over
01:08:13 and he's going out really sad.
01:08:14 Just complaining, like trying to, you know,
01:08:18 he made it weirdly kind of personal with Rudy Gobert
01:08:21 on the inside the NBA and Carl Anthony Towns.
01:08:24 I think Draymond Green has had insane amount of success.
01:08:29 He's an interesting guy.
01:08:31 He's made $177 million minus fines.
01:08:35 I think there might be a small part of him
01:08:36 when he goes to bed at night, he's like,
01:08:38 "Did I cost Steph like a couple of rings?"
01:08:40 - He might.
01:08:41 He might think that way.
01:08:42 - A little bit.
01:08:43 - But he also had a--
01:08:44 - And it's over.
01:08:45 - He had a great career though.
01:08:46 - Incredible career.
01:08:47 He's, I mean, an incredible player,
01:08:51 incredible career, four rings.
01:08:53 But I do think there's a little bit of it's over
01:08:57 and he's grasping at whatever he can
01:09:00 to try to keep it going.
01:09:02 - I see his point though.
01:09:03 It's a little misleading to call punching Jordan Poole
01:09:07 in the face and knocking him out detrimental to the team.
01:09:09 - Yeah.
01:09:10 - That might have, that should have been reversed.
01:09:12 - But like Clay did this last year.
01:09:14 Remember when Clay was like,
01:09:15 "I don't want to come off the bench."
01:09:16 And then Clay kind of realized like,
01:09:18 "You know what, I've had a really good career.
01:09:19 I'm just gonna be around.
01:09:21 I'm not gonna rock the boat here.
01:09:24 I'm gonna rock the boat part."
01:09:25 - Maybe he hasn't been great with his money.
01:09:28 Maybe that's why he's doing TNT.
01:09:30 I don't know.
01:09:31 I don't know what his circumstances.
01:09:32 But yeah, for him to say that like the fines
01:09:34 are the big problem.
01:09:35 Yeah, the NBA is just willy nilly signing fine.
01:09:38 You never know when you step on the court.
01:09:39 It might be, you might get an envelope
01:09:40 in your locker after the game for no reason.
01:09:42 - Yeah, quite something.
01:09:43 And then my other hot seat was the Braves
01:09:45 'cause Ronald Acuna tore his ACL.
01:09:46 That sucks.
01:09:47 - Yeah. - A lot.
01:09:48 Also he went, how do we judge this one?
01:09:53 He went on Twitter and said, "Sorry."
01:09:55 You don't have to apologize.
01:09:57 - It's very Canadian of him.
01:09:58 - Yeah.
01:09:59 Also kind of gives you like everyone's saying,
01:10:01 "Don't worry, you don't have to apologize."
01:10:03 - I think that for him--
01:10:05 - Maybe he just wanted to feel the support.
01:10:06 I'm okay with that. - For him it might be like
01:10:08 he also had a devastating injury
01:10:09 the year they won the World Series.
01:10:11 - Yeah.
01:10:11 - So he's probably bummed out
01:10:12 that he's not gonna get another crack at it again.
01:10:14 - But he shouldn't have to feel like he has to apologize.
01:10:16 Injuries happen.
01:10:17 It sucks.
01:10:18 - Wait, is it the same ACL as the last time?
01:10:19 - I don't know.
01:10:20 It sucks though.
01:10:21 - Yeah, it does suck.
01:10:22 - Sucks.
01:10:23 Okay, and then my cool throne is Conor McGregor
01:10:26 because you wouldn't tell that he's got a fight
01:10:27 in six weeks with some of the clips
01:10:29 that have come out from Memorial Day weekend.
01:10:31 And I love this energy.
01:10:32 I think he's probably gonna lose to Michael Chandler,
01:10:34 but I like the fact that Conor McGregor, just like us,
01:10:38 is like, it's Memorial Day weekend.
01:10:40 Like, diet starts Tuesday.
01:10:42 - Yeah.
01:10:42 - Fight camp starts Tuesday.
01:10:43 - This is how the Irish train for fights.
01:10:46 - Was that his wife?
01:10:47 I think it was.
01:10:48 - I'm gonna say yes. - I think it was.
01:10:49 - Yeah. - I think it was.
01:10:49 - Definitely.
01:10:50 - So good for them.
01:10:51 They're very much in love.
01:10:52 - Yeah.
01:10:53 - Very much.
01:10:54 - This is how the Irish do, man.
01:10:55 You go out, you party, you have a good time.
01:10:58 - Yeah.
01:10:58 - You show up.
01:10:59 - He's having a great time.
01:11:00 A great time.
01:11:01 Okay, Jake.
01:11:02 - Oh, my hot seat's Barry Bonds.
01:11:05 Jose Ramirez, he was pitched around with the bases loaded
01:11:09 and someone after the game said,
01:11:10 "You received the Barry Bonds treatment."
01:11:12 And he said, "I'm better than Barry Bonds."
01:11:14 - What?
01:11:15 Interesting.
01:11:16 - That's confidence.
01:11:17 - Well, that's not true. - Embrace debate.
01:11:19 - How many career home runs does he have?
01:11:22 - Not even close to.
01:11:25 - Not the most ever?
01:11:26 - Yeah.
01:11:27 - Okay, all right, then no, he's not.
01:11:28 - Yeah.
01:11:29 - I'll just settle that one real quick.
01:11:30 - No, he is not as good or better than Barry Bonds.
01:11:34 - He has 231.
01:11:36 - All right, is that, how much does Barry Bonds have?
01:11:38 Is it more?
01:11:38 - Seven something.
01:11:39 - Okay, yeah, Barry Bonds is better.
01:11:41 - I saw a stat that was like,
01:11:43 fuck, I'm gonna try to find it.
01:11:45 - Take away the seven MVP.
01:11:46 - Yeah, take away the seven MVP.
01:11:48 - Still have like 490 home runs.
01:11:51 - It was, yeah, it was exactly that.
01:11:52 It was like take away the seven MVP seasons
01:11:55 and he had 440 home runs and 359 stolen bases.
01:12:00 - Yeah, pretty insane.
01:12:02 And Barry Bonds--
01:12:03 - He had his seven best seasons
01:12:06 and he still is like an incredible baseball player.
01:12:10 - And even before the steroids,
01:12:12 he was probably a Hall of Famer at that point.
01:12:14 - It's nuts that he's not in the Hall of Fame.
01:12:16 It's nuts.
01:12:17 - So in 2004, if Barry Bonds went up to the plate
01:12:21 without a bat, if he didn't have a bat in his hand,
01:12:24 he would have had an on-base percentage of 60%.
01:12:29 Without a bat.
01:12:30 - It's crazy, it's crazy.
01:12:32 - And you know what?
01:12:33 That would have been the best in baseball history.
01:12:36 - Yeah.
01:12:36 - Without a bat.
01:12:37 - He's so good.
01:12:38 He should be in the Hall of Fame.
01:12:41 Okay, best player of all time.
01:12:43 - My cool throne is college lacrosse.
01:12:45 Notre Dame goes back to back, men's side,
01:12:48 and BC wins on the women's side.
01:12:50 So Notre Dame men's lacrosse becoming a wagon.
01:12:54 - Yeah, the Kavanaugh brothers, right?
01:12:56 - Yeah.
01:12:57 And then there's a guy who used to play quarterback
01:12:58 at Alabama who transferred and is now--
01:13:01 - Oh yeah, he was not--
01:13:03 - Buckner?
01:13:04 - Yeah, Buckner.
01:13:05 - Is that his name?
01:13:06 - Tyler Buckner, maybe.
01:13:07 A lot of people are having the conversation,
01:13:08 could Notre Dame lacrosse beat the Whip Snakes?
01:13:12 - Yeah.
01:13:14 - Whip Snakes are so bad.
01:13:15 - It's game week, by the way.
01:13:16 - It is Tyler Buckner.
01:13:17 I nailed that.
01:13:18 - Opening week, dogs.
01:13:19 - Yeah, opening week, dogs.
01:13:21 Yeah, I watched some of that game.
01:13:23 Kind of wish they had scored more goals,
01:13:25 but that is what it is.
01:13:27 - Yeah.
01:13:28 - Sometimes it just doesn't happen.
01:13:29 They killed, yeah, they killed Maryland.
01:13:33 Pretty damn good.
01:13:34 Wake up the Echoes.
01:13:35 Okay, we have a great interview with Danny Ainge in person.
01:13:39 Been a long time coming.
01:13:41 Shout out to Hank for working on getting us this interview
01:13:45 for like five years.
01:13:46 But yeah, great interview, great stories,
01:13:50 great Bill Walton stories.
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01:15:15 And now here's Danny Ainge.
01:15:17 Okay, we now welcome on an absolute legend,
01:15:20 a very, very, very special guest.
01:15:23 It is Danny Ainge.
01:15:24 He is, are you just the president of everything
01:15:27 for the Jazz now?
01:15:28 You've had a million titles.
01:15:29 - I'm CEO of the Jazz.
01:15:31 - CEO of the Jazz.
01:15:32 Was obviously a long time with the Celtics.
01:15:35 Played baseball.
01:15:36 Was an incredible football player,
01:15:38 which I wanna get into.
01:15:39 Thank you for joining us.
01:15:41 Appreciate it. - Good to be here.
01:15:42 - Yes. - Yeah, it's fun to break
01:15:43 from all the basketball.
01:15:46 - Yeah. - And on at the combine camp.
01:15:47 - Yeah, I actually, you wanna start with football?
01:15:49 Because I talked to your son earlier.
01:15:52 - Uh-oh. - And he said that that
01:15:53 was the one thing that no one ever asked.
01:15:54 They're like, he was like, everyone talks about
01:15:58 how Danny Ainge was incredible, NBA champion,
01:16:01 long time Celtic, played Major League Baseball.
01:16:04 No one talks about the fact that he was actually
01:16:05 an incredible high school football player
01:16:07 that had a ton of offers to play football.
01:16:10 - Yeah, I played football too.
01:16:13 - It's like, that's, so you were really good.
01:16:15 - You're good at everything.
01:16:16 - Is there any sport that you weren't good at growing up?
01:16:18 - I wasn't very good at tennis.
01:16:23 - Okay. - That's fine.
01:16:24 - You can throw that one out.
01:16:25 - Yeah, tennis, I tried playing tennis.
01:16:27 My father played some tennis,
01:16:29 and I didn't know which hand to use,
01:16:30 'cause I'm kind of ambidextrous,
01:16:32 and I don't know what hand, left or right hand.
01:16:34 - I heard you too, yeah, that you hit with both hands
01:16:37 when you play tennis. - Yeah.
01:16:38 - Which that means you're probably good at tennis,
01:16:40 even though you're not.
01:16:40 - No, I'm not very good.
01:16:41 - Yeah, but so when you were coming out of high school,
01:16:45 was there ever a thought that you were going
01:16:47 to maybe play football, 'cause that was obviously
01:16:50 something you were really, really good at,
01:16:51 or was it always just baseball, basketball?
01:16:53 - Yeah, when I was coming out of high school,
01:16:54 I thought that I might try to play two sports in college.
01:16:58 And so yeah, I went on some recruiting trips in football
01:17:01 and took it very seriously.
01:17:03 I mean, I loved, loved high school football.
01:17:06 I was mostly receiver, and a defensive,
01:17:10 and a corner, and safety.
01:17:12 And then, and so it was interesting
01:17:14 how different parts of the country would recruit me
01:17:16 as a receiver, and other conference teams
01:17:20 would recruit me as a safety.
01:17:22 And then I played my whole senior year as a quarterback,
01:17:25 just because our quarterback got hurt.
01:17:28 And that was fun too.
01:17:30 - Yeah. - That was a blast.
01:17:31 But I was mostly recruited as a receiver.
01:17:33 - Yeah. - So when did you decide
01:17:34 that football is not something I'm gonna pursue anymore,
01:17:37 I'm just gonna focus on basketball?
01:17:39 - I think when basketball season started.
01:17:41 - Yeah. (laughs)
01:17:42 - After football was over, I went back
01:17:44 on the basketball court, and I just felt like basketball.
01:17:47 Basketball was always gonna be an equation,
01:17:49 you know, football and baseball go the best together.
01:17:51 But yeah, I was never gonna give up basketball.
01:17:54 It was gonna be basketball and baseball,
01:17:55 or football and basketball.
01:17:57 - Have you seen any of the discourse going on right now
01:18:00 about how many NFL players could play in the NBA right now,
01:18:04 and vice versa?
01:18:05 Because you might be the answer to all these questions.
01:18:07 Like, oh, well Danny Ainge could probably play
01:18:09 in all the leagues at his prime.
01:18:11 - Yeah, I mean, I don't know about that.
01:18:13 I mean, I think it's disrespectful to the football
01:18:15 to just say that basketball players could play in there.
01:18:18 But I mean, I think that the great athletes,
01:18:21 and I think there's a lot of great athletes in the NBA,
01:18:25 of course, and have they chose a different path
01:18:27 to play football?
01:18:28 I don't think they go play football right now.
01:18:30 I think it's, you gotta learn that craft.
01:18:32 But I think the same in football.
01:18:35 Every now and then you see good football players
01:18:37 that play basketball in college, but they're not as good.
01:18:41 You guys are too old, but I remember when the Cowboys,
01:18:45 back when I was a kid, they drafted some basketball players
01:18:50 to play on those Cowboy teams.
01:18:53 And when Tom Landry was coaching,
01:18:55 and I know that's ancient times for you,
01:18:57 but I do believe that, I mean, you take guys,
01:19:00 like I'm watching right here, Jalen Brown,
01:19:02 I mean, it feels like he could be a football player
01:19:04 if that's what he wanted to be.
01:19:06 But, so I don't know what the argument is necessarily.
01:19:10 But I think you're the answer.
01:19:11 - There's some great athletes out there
01:19:13 that could play different sports, for sure,
01:19:15 had they started at a younger age.
01:19:17 - I guess the discussion was like,
01:19:18 are there players that could translate
01:19:20 from either league directly right now to the other?
01:19:22 Our point was, yeah, there's some great athletes in the NBA
01:19:24 if they love football, if they wanted to play football,
01:19:27 they put their minds to it.
01:19:28 If you're one of these big guys, you can be a tight end
01:19:31 with enough practice if you have that competitive mentality
01:19:34 to you, but we also thought it'd be harder
01:19:36 for a football player to become
01:19:38 a professional basketball player
01:19:40 because of the skill aspect, dribbling, shooting,
01:19:42 things that don't necessarily translate to football.
01:19:45 But yeah, it was one of those discussions
01:19:46 that you talk about, usually like the second week of July
01:19:49 when there's nothing going on in the sports,
01:19:51 but for some reason it just cropped up.
01:19:53 Actually, you're a good person to ask this question to
01:19:55 because you've seen so much basketball.
01:19:57 - Well, there's a player named Caleb Lohner
01:19:59 who played at Baylor basketball the last couple years,
01:20:02 played at BYU before, and he's headed to Utah
01:20:05 to play tight end.
01:20:07 And that's a great school for him, I think,
01:20:08 'cause Utah really uses their tight ends well.
01:20:11 And so we'll see firsthand.
01:20:13 He's a starting, or he's a bench player for Baylor right now
01:20:18 but a four-year college player
01:20:20 who's gonna try college football.
01:20:22 - Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to watch.
01:20:24 So you've seen so much basketball,
01:20:25 you've been in and around basketball for your entire life.
01:20:29 So let's just start with who's the best player
01:20:31 that you've ever played against or watched play?
01:20:33 - Well, Michael Jordan.
01:20:36 Yeah.
01:20:37 - It's a good answer?
01:20:38 - Yeah, I would say that's a fair answer.
01:20:39 - I heard that you might have something to do
01:20:41 with his greatness, or at least with his,
01:20:43 one of his all-time great performances.
01:20:45 - Yeah.
01:20:46 - You played golf against him and pissed him off.
01:20:47 - Yeah, that's true.
01:20:49 Got him a little frustrated.
01:20:51 He had 63 on us the next night.
01:20:53 I had to guard him for a share of that.
01:20:55 But my kids have abused me on that one,
01:20:57 and we've gone back and watched the film.
01:21:00 I think I gave up 12 of the 63.
01:21:02 - Oh, so you're fine.
01:21:03 - I'm fine, but Walton fouled out
01:21:06 and he's never forgiven me 'cause I switched a lot.
01:21:09 I'm guarding Michael and he's screaming,
01:21:11 like, "You got him, Bill."
01:21:12 - Yeah, yeah.
01:21:12 - And Walton fouled out, and he was like,
01:21:14 "Guard your own man."
01:21:15 - I watched a clip of MJ talking about you as a golfer,
01:21:19 and he said that you are his favorite person to golf with
01:21:23 because you give him shit more than anyone else.
01:21:26 Like, you'll talk trash to him more than anyone else.
01:21:29 Is that fair to say?
01:21:30 I mean, you obviously, from your basketball career,
01:21:33 you'd fight anyone, you got dirty.
01:21:35 But when you're on the golf course with Michael Jordan,
01:21:37 you're not intimidated whatsoever.
01:21:40 - No, not at all.
01:21:41 I mean, Michael is so fun to play with.
01:21:43 He's a great competitor, as we all know.
01:21:45 Him and I were golf junkies when we were playing in the NBA,
01:21:49 and so we got together like we did.
01:21:51 That was his second year in the league
01:21:53 when he had the 63 against us in the Boston Garden.
01:21:56 And that's when it started.
01:21:58 We had two media buddies that knew each other
01:22:00 and they got us together and we played.
01:22:03 And then we'd play every summer here and there.
01:22:05 I'd run into him in San Diego and in Chicago and Boston.
01:22:09 It was fun.
01:22:12 He's a great, and he's a golf junkie like I am.
01:22:15 - Yeah, wait, so how bad did you beat him
01:22:17 in these 36 holes before he dropped some?
01:22:19 - Oh, not bad.
01:22:19 I mean, I think our matches are always pretty close,
01:22:23 and that's why it's so fun and so competitive.
01:22:25 - Yeah, so, all right, so your entry to the NBA,
01:22:29 obviously you were playing college basketball
01:22:31 and Major League Baseball at the same time,
01:22:33 which I feel like if that story happened today,
01:22:36 people would be like, "What's going on?
01:22:38 "This is incredible."
01:22:39 I mean, it was incredible then, but now even more.
01:22:43 People being able to play multiple sports
01:22:45 doesn't happen as much.
01:22:46 But your entry to the NBA,
01:22:49 what was it like coming from playing baseball,
01:22:51 and then you're walking onto a Celtics team
01:22:53 that has Larry Bird, that has Kevin McHale,
01:22:56 that's won a title.
01:22:57 Were you like, "Oh man, I can't hang with these guys?"
01:23:00 Or were you instantly like, "No, I'm here.
01:23:01 "I'm where I belong."
01:23:03 - You know, when I played, I think playing in Yankee Stadium
01:23:06 and in Fenway Park against those great Yankee teams,
01:23:10 Billy Martin managing, and that was pretty special.
01:23:14 I mean, I was a kid, and it was lifetime great memories
01:23:18 of playing in those games, but it didn't feel
01:23:22 like I was playing under the same kind of pressure
01:23:24 when I got to the NBA.
01:23:25 Even though I was playing for the Celtics,
01:23:27 I came in mid-season because of my baseball contract,
01:23:31 and that was a very good team, like you said.
01:23:34 So I had to pay my dues.
01:23:35 I sat and sat that first year and was dying to play,
01:23:40 and then I started my second year.
01:23:43 But yeah, I didn't feel that pressure.
01:23:46 I think that I got kind of that youthful anxiety
01:23:50 maybe out of the way when I was playing baseball
01:23:53 in those big ballparks in front of big crowds.
01:23:55 That was fun.
01:23:56 - Yeah, I mean, that actually makes sense
01:23:58 because baseball is the ultimate solo sport,
01:24:01 and the fact that you're there, it's pitcher versus batter,
01:24:03 and you strike out, and you fail whatever,
01:24:07 three quarters of the time, and then you're on a team
01:24:11 with the Celtics, and like, all right, well--
01:24:11 - And maybe fail 75% of the time.
01:24:13 - 75, yeah. - You said three quarters.
01:24:15 - What was your batting average?
01:24:17 - We won't talk about that.
01:24:18 - Yeah, so I think I actually maybe gave you
01:24:19 a couple points there.
01:24:20 - Okay, that might be true.
01:24:22 - It's actually not a bad strategy.
01:24:24 - I was being nice.
01:24:25 - For player development,
01:24:27 make 'em go play baseball for you.
01:24:28 - Yeah, there you go, good idea.
01:24:29 - You're like, go up there and fail
01:24:30 all the time in front of everybody.
01:24:31 - The hardest mental sport.
01:24:32 Would you say baseball's the hardest mental sport?
01:24:34 - I think hitting a baseball's tough, yeah.
01:24:36 I mean, pitching is tough too,
01:24:37 but I think hitting the pitchers is,
01:24:41 there's so many good pitchers, they're different,
01:24:43 and pitchers are getting stronger and stronger all the time,
01:24:46 and I love watching baseball.
01:24:48 I wish the game somehow could figure out a way
01:24:51 to have pitchers, matchups last a little longer
01:24:55 than they do. - I know, I know.
01:24:56 - I don't really like the three starter innings,
01:24:59 but yeah, I love baseball.
01:25:01 - Yeah, so at what point when you got to the Celtics,
01:25:05 did you feel like you were accepted by a Larry Bird
01:25:08 and the rest of the team?
01:25:09 Did it take that, putting in your dues?
01:25:12 Did you have a moment where you're like,
01:25:13 okay, they can trust me and I can trust them?
01:25:16 - I think my second year.
01:25:17 - Yeah. - Yeah, I think that
01:25:19 it got through that first year, wasn't playing a lot,
01:25:21 and I don't think that there was much I did
01:25:25 to convince anybody that I deserved to play a lot more.
01:25:29 In my own mind, I was deserving,
01:25:31 but you just gotta pay your dues, and I did,
01:25:33 and I think my second year, I earned their respect.
01:25:35 - Yeah, what was it like forming that relationship
01:25:38 with the city of Boston as a whole?
01:25:39 'Cause it's a good sports town.
01:25:40 We always talk about good sports towns, bad sports towns.
01:25:42 Boston's a great sports town,
01:25:44 but the fans can be hard on you,
01:25:46 but you have to develop a relationship.
01:25:47 You watch that with players that come into the league,
01:25:49 especially, I'd say, in Boston and Philly.
01:25:52 You have to learn how to adapt to the city that you're in.
01:25:55 So what was it like ingratiating yourself
01:25:57 to the city of Boston?
01:25:58 - I loved Boston.
01:26:00 I mean, it's a great sports town.
01:26:02 I mean, they're anti-New York and anti-Philly,
01:26:06 and they love cheering against those teams
01:26:08 as much as they like cheering for their own teams,
01:26:11 but I think just having the Bruins and the Patriots
01:26:15 and the Red Sox, I mean, there's just a lot of competition,
01:26:19 and I think it's healthy competition,
01:26:22 and knowing the athletes in the different sports
01:26:25 was fun experience, and there's always sport all the time.
01:26:30 - Was there, I would imagine, knowing your game,
01:26:34 you were a trash talker from time to time playing basketball.
01:26:37 When you saw Larry Bird, were you like,
01:26:39 "Oh, this is a different level of trash talking?"
01:26:41 (laughing)
01:26:43 - Well, yeah, Larry was funny.
01:26:44 Larry wasn't always a trash talker.
01:26:48 I mean, always talking trash.
01:26:50 He was selective.
01:26:51 We had guys like Cedric Maxwell and ML Carr.
01:26:57 I mean, they never stopped talking trash.
01:26:59 - Right. - He was always
01:27:00 talking trash, and then Kevin McHale,
01:27:02 just being around them, he was always talking trash,
01:27:05 and so Larry wasn't talking as often as them,
01:27:07 but Larry said some funny stuff.
01:27:10 - That's gotta be like when
01:27:13 your dad raises his voice, you're like,
01:27:14 "Oh, no, this is serious now."
01:27:16 When Larry decides to start talking trash,
01:27:18 he's using it for a real reason.
01:27:20 - I think he's using it for his own motivation
01:27:22 more than anything.
01:27:23 I think some of Larry's trash talk
01:27:25 just felt like he wanted to get motivated.
01:27:27 I remember him telling Hubie Brown,
01:27:29 as he's walking to the sidelines, and he says,
01:27:32 "Hubie, are you serious?
01:27:35 "This is the only guy that you got that can guard me?"
01:27:38 And the whole bench hears it,
01:27:40 and I'm just sitting there smiling and laughing,
01:27:42 but Larry's so confident in his game,
01:27:45 and Hubie puts Johnny Newman in the game for him,
01:27:48 and Larry, "Are you serious?
01:27:50 "That's what you got?"
01:27:52 - Trash-talking coaches is next level.
01:27:54 - Yeah, yeah, I remember one time
01:27:55 we're playing in San Antonio,
01:27:57 and I don't remember the kid's name,
01:27:59 but a young center coming off the bench,
01:28:02 he runs in the game with all this excitement, enthusiasm,
01:28:05 the crowd's going crazy, and Larry says,
01:28:07 "Who you guarding?"
01:28:09 And the kid points to Chief, he goes,
01:28:12 "Oh, crap, Chief, you're bald now."
01:28:14 (laughing)
01:28:16 - It's gotta be even more intimidating
01:28:17 if he's got that mustache, too.
01:28:19 It'd feel like it'd be hard to be intimidating
01:28:22 with that mustache, but he was able to achieve that.
01:28:24 - He was able to achieve, probably not with the mustache,
01:28:27 but with his play, it was a lot more than the mustache.
01:28:30 That was not very intimidating.
01:28:32 - Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, but elevating your trash-talk
01:28:35 to a different level, that makes the mustache go from,
01:28:38 that's a weird-looking thing, to I'm scared of that mustache.
01:28:41 It was a pretty good accomplishment.
01:28:42 So your teammates loved you in Boston.
01:28:45 Who were you closest with there?
01:28:47 - I was closest with Kevin.
01:28:50 He was my closest teammate.
01:28:51 I mean, I still keep in touch with Larry and Kevin
01:28:54 here and there, and Kevin's really into the NBA still.
01:28:58 I talk less to Larry, but we stay in touch over the years.
01:29:02 I was close with DJ for a while, but he passed away.
01:29:06 He was a great and fun teammate as well.
01:29:10 - Yeah, what about Bill Walton as a teammate?
01:29:12 Because we've had the honor of being able
01:29:15 to interview Bill Walton.
01:29:17 We've told this story before, but we got, I think,
01:29:20 about two and a half hours in, and Bill Walton said to us,
01:29:23 he's like, "How long does this go?"
01:29:24 And we're like, "As long as you want."
01:29:26 So I don't think we wrote down all these questions.
01:29:29 I think I maybe asked one of the questions that I wrote down
01:29:31 because he just, he can talk.
01:29:33 Was he always eccentric and out there like that?
01:29:37 - You know, Bill, when we got Bill,
01:29:39 I mean, first of all, we lost Cedric Maxwell,
01:29:41 so that was tough, 'cause I love Cedric.
01:29:44 He was a great teammate, but Bill was,
01:29:47 he was who, like, Larry and Kevin and I looked up to
01:29:51 when we were younger in high school and college,
01:29:53 and he was a legend in all of our minds.
01:29:56 And so he's coming to the Celtics,
01:29:59 even though he hasn't played a lot of basketball
01:30:01 over the last few years, we were very excited to get him.
01:30:04 But for me, it was great because I was like Larry
01:30:06 and Kevin's little brother, and so I got picked on a lot.
01:30:10 And when Walton showed up, all the attention went to him,
01:30:12 and they were picking on him, and it was fun.
01:30:16 But Bill was a great teammate.
01:30:17 I mean, he was one of the most unselfish players
01:30:21 I've ever played with, although he didn't really have
01:30:24 any of his skills left at that time,
01:30:25 so he had to use his passing the most, more than scoring.
01:30:29 But he was a great shot blocker, rebounder,
01:30:32 but he was all about winning.
01:30:34 It's all he cared about, and I think that rubbed off
01:30:36 on everybody.
01:30:37 - So I have a dumb question about that 86 Celtics team,
01:30:40 because they're up there with some of the greatest teams
01:30:42 of all time, the 96 Bulls, the Warriors.
01:30:44 - No, no, no, not up there, it's above.
01:30:46 - Oh, okay, above there, okay.
01:30:47 - The greatest team of all time, yeah.
01:30:49 - Yeah, well, you didn't play the Lakers in the finals.
01:30:52 - Well, I know, because they didn't make the finals.
01:30:54 - I've heard you talk-- - That wasn't gonna happen
01:30:55 to us. - I've heard you talk
01:30:56 about that, and it's crazy to say,
01:30:59 but I think that probably speaks to the confidence
01:31:02 of the team, and I've heard, I think Kevin McHale
01:31:04 even said this as well, where it's like,
01:31:06 you guys were mad that the Lakers lost,
01:31:08 even though they should have been the second best team,
01:31:11 you were mad that you didn't get a chance to beat them.
01:31:13 Most teams are like, well, we'd like to win
01:31:15 the championship no matter what,
01:31:17 but you were upset that they lost to the Rockets.
01:31:19 - Yeah, I mean, I think that, 'cause the Lakers beat us
01:31:21 in '85, and we felt we were better.
01:31:24 - Yeah. - And in '84,
01:31:25 maybe the Lakers were a little better at that moment in time,
01:31:28 but, and we won that series, but '86,
01:31:31 we planned all year to play the Lakers.
01:31:33 - Yeah. - We just assumed
01:31:34 that's what was gonna happen,
01:31:35 so it was a little disappointing,
01:31:36 but we weren't gonna lose either way.
01:31:40 - Yeah, so the question is, it's a dumb question,
01:31:42 but maybe you can describe it and make it a great answer.
01:31:46 How fun was it to play on a team that was that good?
01:31:48 Because it does feel like there are certain points
01:31:51 in NBA history that certain teams reach
01:31:53 that almost higher level of basketball,
01:31:55 where it's like everything comes together,
01:31:57 and what they're doing is so good,
01:31:59 and it's such a different level, that they can't be stopped.
01:32:02 Did you feel that day in and day out?
01:32:04 - I did feel that.
01:32:05 I felt that all year long in '86,
01:32:08 and I think it was, you know all the names on the team,
01:32:13 but it was the prime of my career.
01:32:16 It was the prime of Larry Bird's career.
01:32:18 He was MVP of the league with Magic,
01:32:21 and Kareem, and Olajuwon, and Jordan,
01:32:23 and all these guys in the league.
01:32:25 I mean, Larry was the MVP,
01:32:27 and it was the prime of Kevin McHale's career.
01:32:30 - Yeah. - And DJ
01:32:32 wasn't past his prime yet.
01:32:33 Robert was the only one that was a little older,
01:32:35 and Walton, and they were able to split that time at center,
01:32:39 and they were still great, great players.
01:32:41 So we had a good bench.
01:32:43 Jerry Seesting was a great shooter.
01:32:44 Scott Wedman had been an all-star,
01:32:47 and was the highest paid player,
01:32:48 and not very many people know that story,
01:32:50 but he was the highest paid player in the league
01:32:53 when the Celtics got him from Cleveland,
01:32:54 and he was an all-star in Kansas City,
01:32:58 but he was Larry's backup, so he didn't get to play.
01:33:00 Not very many people knew, but Larry reminded him,
01:33:03 and was very frustrated.
01:33:04 (laughing)
01:33:05 "I can't believe you make more money than me."
01:33:07 - That would piss me off, yeah.
01:33:08 Yeah, but you could feel it,
01:33:10 like just the level of basketball,
01:33:13 and night in and night out being like,
01:33:15 what was your record at home?
01:33:17 Did you lose one game at home or something?
01:33:18 - Yeah, we were 50-1.
01:33:19 - That's insane. - Who'd you lose to?
01:33:21 - We lost to Portland in December, middle of December.
01:33:25 - What happened there? - We lost to Portland.
01:33:26 - Yeah, what happened there?
01:33:27 - I mean, Portland-- - Load management?
01:33:29 - No, Portland was, they just caught us on,
01:33:31 you know, we weren't our best, but they were a good team.
01:33:34 That was the legendary story when we went back to Portland,
01:33:37 where Larry was gonna beat him with his left hand.
01:33:40 - And he did. - And he had like
01:33:41 32 points with his left hand that night.
01:33:43 - So he said that before the game.
01:33:45 - He said that before the game.
01:33:45 - "I'm just gonna shoot left hand."
01:33:46 - "I'm saving my right hand for the Lakers tomorrow night."
01:33:49 - And he actually did it.
01:33:50 - He did it.
01:33:51 - That's incredible.
01:33:52 And while you're watching, you're like,
01:33:54 "Maybe mix in one right-handed shot?
01:33:55 "Like, no, just keep going."
01:33:56 - I mean, Larry was like me, and he was left-handed.
01:33:59 - Right.
01:34:00 - He did a lot of things left-handed,
01:34:01 but he played basketball right-handed,
01:34:03 but that was still an amazing feat.
01:34:05 - Yeah, was there respect between you and the Lakers,
01:34:07 or did you just hate them?
01:34:09 - I didn't hate 'em.
01:34:10 I mean, our fans hated 'em, but I mean,
01:34:12 I grew up a Laker fan as a kid.
01:34:14 And, you know, I ran into Magic Johnson,
01:34:19 who was the same age I was, coming out of high school,
01:34:21 and we played in an AAU tournament,
01:34:23 and like, I was in awe of Magic.
01:34:25 It was unbelievable.
01:34:26 Seeing him for the first time as an 18-year-old
01:34:28 was incredible.
01:34:30 So I'd followed him.
01:34:32 But no, I wasn't, I didn't hate 'em,
01:34:35 but they were just, it's like playing against Michael.
01:34:37 Like, they're the best.
01:34:40 Like, let's go.
01:34:41 This is the ultimate challenge.
01:34:43 - Yeah.
01:34:44 - But I know that there was hatred,
01:34:47 mostly felt by the fans, and you know,
01:34:49 what we're playing for, there's a lot of intensity,
01:34:52 and you couldn't ever be caught talking to 'em,
01:34:56 being friendly to 'em, picking 'em up off the floor.
01:34:59 After Mikael did the Kurt Rambis throat shot,
01:35:04 it was a little bit more intense.
01:35:07 - Yeah, and before that, didn't Larry call the whole team
01:35:11 like a bunch of pussies or something?
01:35:12 Before the Kurt Rambis throat shot?
01:35:15 - I don't know, he called us.
01:35:16 - Yeah, maybe not.
01:35:18 - I'm not sure he called the Lakers, but he--
01:35:19 - No, no, you guys, yeah, yeah.
01:35:21 He called out his own team, being like,
01:35:23 we're playing, yeah, like wimps right now.
01:35:25 - I was an 84, yeah.
01:35:26 We came back and won that series,
01:35:28 which was miraculous, actually.
01:35:30 - Yeah, yeah.
01:35:31 So, all right, so just fast-forwarding,
01:35:33 'cause we also wanna talk about you as an executive.
01:35:35 I have a bunch of questions about that,
01:35:37 but playing at the end of your career
01:35:38 with Charles Barkley and the Suns,
01:35:40 that's another, like, bigger than life kind of character.
01:35:44 What was it like playing with Charles Barkley,
01:35:47 especially, that was, you know,
01:35:48 one of his MVP years was in there, go to the finals.
01:35:51 Was it as fun as we all see Charles on TV
01:35:54 and we're like, man, we wanna hang out with that guy?
01:35:57 - Yes, Charles made me laugh every single day.
01:35:59 - Yeah.
01:36:00 - He didn't practice a lot.
01:36:02 You know, my favorite Charles story was,
01:36:05 we're getting ready to play a game,
01:36:07 and Coach Westphal was great.
01:36:09 I loved him, but he knew who was in charge of our team.
01:36:13 He knew Charles was in charge most of the time.
01:36:15 And we look up, we're getting ready 35 minutes
01:36:19 before tip-off, and we're stretching,
01:36:21 and Westphal comes in, sits on his stool,
01:36:24 and we go through our pregame.
01:36:25 Well, he's waiting and waiting,
01:36:26 and we all kind of look over, and Charles' locker
01:36:29 still has his uniform hanging up.
01:36:30 He hasn't arrived yet.
01:36:32 And so, we wait, and everyone knows
01:36:36 exactly why we're waiting.
01:36:38 Nothing's said.
01:36:40 Finally, Coach Westphal, with nothing about the pregame,
01:36:43 he says, "If he's not here by 7.10, he's not starting."
01:36:48 7.10 was the tip-off time.
01:36:50 (laughing)
01:36:52 And he walked out of the room.
01:36:53 It was classic, but that was Paul.
01:36:56 He was just, he was loose.
01:36:59 He kept us loose, but Charles made everybody laugh
01:37:03 all the time.
01:37:04 I mean, he was a lot of fun to play with.
01:37:06 I had a great joy playing with him.
01:37:07 - Yeah, he's a great player, and also a great glue guy.
01:37:09 Great guy just in the locker room.
01:37:11 - Yeah, I mean, he was fun.
01:37:13 He made it fun.
01:37:14 - Yeah, so he was also your co-star in Space Jam.
01:37:18 - Yeah, we were in Space Jam together.
01:37:20 - A lot of people don't talk about you being in Space Jam.
01:37:22 - Yeah. - What was that like?
01:37:23 - I don't remember much about Space Jam.
01:37:27 My grandkids have told me about Space Jam
01:37:30 more than I remember about Space Jam.
01:37:32 - It was a scene where they stole
01:37:34 all of Charles Barkley's talent, right?
01:37:36 They took his talent away. - Yeah, all of his power away.
01:37:38 - Yeah, you were a great cameo in that.
01:37:40 - Did you get in any of the scrimmages
01:37:42 that MJ would run on the set of Space Jam?
01:37:45 I know it was, when was it filmed?
01:37:47 Was it right after you retired, or?
01:37:50 - No, it was during my career in Phoenix.
01:37:53 Yeah, we did play on some of the sets.
01:37:56 - I mean, it feels like those are legendary,
01:37:58 just any pickup game with MJ,
01:38:00 just taking it way too seriously at all times.
01:38:03 - Elbowing Bill Murray in the face.
01:38:04 (laughing)
01:38:06 - All right, so as an executive,
01:38:08 when you decided to, well, you were a coach,
01:38:11 and then you actually were on TV for a year.
01:38:14 You didn't like TV?
01:38:15 - Yeah, I was on TV for three years.
01:38:18 - Okay. - One year before I coached,
01:38:19 and then I did it three years after I coached.
01:38:22 - What did you think about being on the media side?
01:38:24 - I loved it. - Really?
01:38:26 - I loved it, yeah. - Really?
01:38:27 - Yeah, I mean, it was hard for me to leave that life.
01:38:31 I mean, I was working one day a week.
01:38:33 I didn't really have to do much preparation
01:38:36 because I'd just been a player,
01:38:38 and then I coached, and I mean, I knew all the players,
01:38:43 all the teams, all the tendencies.
01:38:45 I didn't really need to prepare for games,
01:38:47 and so I'd fly in the day of the game
01:38:49 and fly out the next day.
01:38:51 - Yeah, was it hard to criticize players
01:38:53 that maybe you had played with or coached against?
01:38:56 - I guess you don't know me very well,
01:38:58 but it should have been harder, but it wasn't so hard.
01:39:01 I mean, criticizing versus kind of trash talking
01:39:04 is probably different.
01:39:05 I mean, I respect all the players and all they do,
01:39:08 but sometimes we do things as players that are funny
01:39:13 and entertaining, and probably picked on guys
01:39:15 a little bit too much for that.
01:39:16 - Yeah. - Yeah.
01:39:18 - All right, so I have a bunch of questions
01:39:20 about your long time as executive for the Celtics,
01:39:22 but I wanted to start with the Jazz right now.
01:39:25 From your perspective, when Brian Wynhorse
01:39:27 did the Jazzer up to something, did you see that clip,
01:39:31 and you were like, "God damn it,
01:39:32 "Wynhorse just blew my cover"?
01:39:34 Do you remember that?
01:39:35 - I don't remember it.
01:39:36 - So it was when you traded the Royce O'Neal trade,
01:39:39 and then he basically was like, "Look,
01:39:43 "when Danny Ainge made a trade right before
01:39:46 "getting Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen
01:39:48 "and all these things," he's like,
01:39:50 "The Jazz are up to something,
01:39:51 "and I don't know what they're up to,
01:39:53 "and everyone's trying to figure it out,
01:39:54 "and Danny Ainge is up to something."
01:39:56 I was hoping you saw it and like,
01:39:58 "Oh man, he blew my cover
01:39:59 "'cause I'm clearly up to something."
01:40:01 - Yeah, no, that's really not how it is.
01:40:04 You know, when I went to the Jazz,
01:40:06 I wasn't really going to Utah to work for the Jazz.
01:40:11 I mean, Ryan is a great friend,
01:40:13 and I've known him for years,
01:40:15 and I told him on numerous occasions that,
01:40:18 you know, you got me or my advice any time you want,
01:40:22 then call me, we're friends,
01:40:23 you don't need to pay me to work.
01:40:25 I didn't really wanna work, get back in the NBA,
01:40:28 but when that happened,
01:40:32 I mean, when the Jazz were making the changes,
01:40:35 or we were all making the changes,
01:40:37 it was, I'm just helping the people that are there.
01:40:42 Like, Dennis Lindsey had a great staff
01:40:44 and great people working there,
01:40:45 Justin Zanuck is fantastic,
01:40:47 and I just, and Ryan was, you know,
01:40:50 wanting to know my opinion of what we should do.
01:40:53 So I was just helping facilitate what they're doing.
01:40:55 It wasn't like I came in with like this plan,
01:40:58 I'm gonna blow the team up,
01:40:59 and we're gonna start over.
01:41:01 That was many other people's ideas.
01:41:03 - But you do, you would say it's fair to say
01:41:05 you like draft picks, you love draft picks.
01:41:08 - I like good players.
01:41:11 - Yeah, you like draft picks,
01:41:12 you've gotten a lot of draft picks.
01:41:14 - Yeah, but-- - Made some really smart moves
01:41:15 that have gotten you a lot of draft picks.
01:41:16 - Right, but I would say that I like good players
01:41:19 much more than draft picks.
01:41:20 - Yeah, you like draft picks that turn into good players.
01:41:23 - Yeah, of course. - You look at every draft pick
01:41:24 like that's a future good player.
01:41:25 - Yeah, I mean, some, we did some good ones
01:41:28 and some not so good ones, like everybody,
01:41:30 but yeah, I mean, I think I like draft picks
01:41:33 because I think they're currency,
01:41:36 and you need to take swings at the plate
01:41:40 with some of these new players.
01:41:43 I mean, every team has both.
01:41:44 I mean, every team has players they've drafted
01:41:46 and turned out to be better than you thought,
01:41:49 and also players that they've traded for or signed.
01:41:52 - Yeah, well, I mean, I would say
01:41:53 that's one of the more interesting parts of your career
01:41:55 is that you've kind of done it both ways,
01:41:57 you know, with the Ray Allen, Paul Pierce,
01:42:00 Kevin Garnett Celtics that win a title,
01:42:02 that you trade the big three,
01:42:04 and then to rebuild it all kind of homegrown
01:42:07 with Tatum and Brown and all the guys and Marcus Smart.
01:42:10 So how did you maneuver the first iteration of it
01:42:15 with the big three, with Paul Pierce, Ray Allen,
01:42:17 and Kevin Garnett pulling that off
01:42:19 and having basically a team have that success out of,
01:42:23 you know, the Celtics were a little lost for a while
01:42:25 with Paul Pierce in the early 2000s.
01:42:28 - Yeah, I mean, I think that there was a lot of good fortune
01:42:31 that went that way.
01:42:32 I mean, obviously we would have loved
01:42:33 to get KG a lot sooner, Ray Allen,
01:42:36 but those guys just were never available.
01:42:39 And then they came available, you know, KG, Paul, and Ray
01:42:43 were all teams playing for teams in the lottery.
01:42:46 And all three of those teams were looking
01:42:48 to go a different direction,
01:42:49 Seattle at the time where Ray was playing,
01:42:53 they were looking to draft, you know, Kevin Durant
01:42:56 and move on from their veteran guys, their older guys.
01:43:00 And we were the beneficiaries of that.
01:43:02 We got, had we gotten the second pick that year
01:43:06 in the draft, you know, we probably wouldn't have done that.
01:43:08 I probably would have kept Kevin Durant.
01:43:11 But as it turned out, we didn't,
01:43:14 we got the fifth pick in the draft and we moved that
01:43:16 and got Ray Allen.
01:43:17 And then we eventually moved Al Jefferson
01:43:19 and other players and we ended up with KG.
01:43:23 So, I mean, that just turned everything.
01:43:25 KG's presence just gave Paul hope, Doc hope,
01:43:29 the city of Boston hope.
01:43:30 Ray was more excited than I'd ever seen him play.
01:43:35 And it was just, there was a lot of electricity
01:43:38 in that whole time there.
01:43:40 We only won one championship.
01:43:42 We should have won a couple, but injuries
01:43:45 and we lose game seven in LA.
01:43:47 But I think that that era was a lot of fun.
01:43:50 - Yeah, we just talked to Perk the other day
01:43:51 and he said if he didn't get hurt,
01:43:53 you guys win another championship that year.
01:43:54 He said no question about it.
01:43:56 - Yeah, I think so.
01:43:57 I think that's probably right.
01:43:58 - Yeah, so you guys get the big three together.
01:43:59 And I feel like from that point forward in NBA history,
01:44:03 we've always talked about getting a big three,
01:44:06 getting a big three to win a championship.
01:44:08 I don't know if that's necessarily the blueprint to do it
01:44:10 'cause we've seen time and time again,
01:44:11 it's harder than you would think to put together
01:44:13 a super team in quotes that would end up working out.
01:44:16 So you have Paul Pierce who I think one person voted
01:44:20 as the best basketball player of all time, right?
01:44:22 Was that you?
01:44:23 Somebody, it was like all the votes were either MJ or LeBron
01:44:26 and then one person voted Paul Pierce.
01:44:28 He's a great player.
01:44:29 But so you have a bonafide superstar, Paul Pierce,
01:44:32 and then you get Kevin Garnett, also superstar,
01:44:35 Ray Allen, superstar at the time.
01:44:37 What was that like gelling those three guys together
01:44:39 and having them try to commit to being a team
01:44:43 and not just three great players?
01:44:44 - I just think they were together
01:44:47 at the right time in their careers.
01:44:49 I mean, I think that getting guys together,
01:44:50 sometimes you get players that are too old,
01:44:53 managing older players,
01:44:55 they're the last ones to see the decline in their games.
01:44:59 Sometimes you get players when they're too young
01:45:01 and they really wanna be all stars and all NBA
01:45:04 and get paid as much money as they possibly can,
01:45:07 which is all understandable.
01:45:09 But those guys were, they only cared about one thing
01:45:12 at that stage of their lives and careers.
01:45:14 None of them had won a title
01:45:16 and they were desperate for one.
01:45:18 They played that way, they practiced that way.
01:45:20 And it was fun to watch.
01:45:22 It's fun to watch that electricity
01:45:24 and the way that they played.
01:45:26 I mean, it wasn't always rosy,
01:45:28 but it was always about team.
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01:47:03 - Yeah, you mentioned something there
01:47:07 that I'm interested in.
01:47:08 Would you say that's one of the hardest parts
01:47:09 about being an executive is having to basically tell a guy
01:47:13 who might be a little past their prime,
01:47:16 like, "Hey, we're moving on from you,"
01:47:18 or, "This is not gonna work the same way
01:47:20 "that you think it works," because it is usually
01:47:22 the guy himself is the last to know.
01:47:25 - Yeah, I think that I haven't had to do that.
01:47:28 I mean, when I moved Paul and KG,
01:47:33 they could've vetoed the trades.
01:47:35 We talked it through, and they ended up,
01:47:37 it'd be mutually beneficial for them,
01:47:40 and we were rebuilding and starting over,
01:47:43 and so they were willing to be traded to Brooklyn,
01:47:48 and that was good for us.
01:47:50 - Yeah, very good.
01:47:51 - I didn't have to tell them that you guys are really old,
01:47:53 and we need to check the expiration date
01:47:55 on the bottom of your shoes, but they were great.
01:47:59 And those guys, their willingness to do that
01:48:02 for the Boston Celtics at that time is huge,
01:48:05 and it's paying dividends even to this day.
01:48:08 - Yeah, so when you did make that trade,
01:48:10 and then you have years where you're rebuilding,
01:48:13 and you do such a great job of it,
01:48:14 were there any moments in that rebuild
01:48:17 where you're like, this is a lot harder
01:48:19 than I thought it would be, or we're farther away
01:48:21 than I thought we were gonna be,
01:48:22 just because that is a very difficult thing
01:48:24 to pull off in any professional league?
01:48:26 - It is.
01:48:28 Again, we were very fortunate,
01:48:30 and Brooklyn didn't turn out as good
01:48:34 as I thought they were gonna be.
01:48:35 I thought it was actually a really good trade
01:48:37 for Brooklyn to get Paul and KG with a couple years left,
01:48:40 veterans, good locker room guys, all about winning,
01:48:44 to go play with that core group up in Brooklyn.
01:48:47 But I just think that our team was,
01:48:52 we got Jalen and Jason, and then we brought in Kyrie,
01:48:57 and then we brought in Gordon Hayward, and we were good.
01:49:02 I mean, and in training camp, I'm going,
01:49:04 this team is powerful and explosive,
01:49:07 and these young players are better than we think.
01:49:09 Terry Rozier was part of that group.
01:49:12 And then we lost Gordon on day one, game one,
01:49:17 and that was devastating to us,
01:49:19 but that meant Jason and Jalen got much more opportunities,
01:49:22 and they, but that team,
01:49:23 and then Kyrie got hurt late in the year,
01:49:26 wasn't able to play in the playoffs,
01:49:28 and then, and Rozier at 20, and Tatum and Brown at 20,
01:49:33 19 and 20, I think, took us to the conference finals.
01:49:36 - Yeah.
01:49:36 - So when those other guys came back,
01:49:39 I mean, they're realizing that these young guys
01:49:42 are pretty special.
01:49:43 - Yeah.
01:49:44 - And pretty good, and I don't think that was easy.
01:49:45 - Yeah, so in terms of Tatum and Brown,
01:49:47 we know now they're incredible basketball players,
01:49:51 they're incredible NBA players,
01:49:52 but when you drafted them,
01:49:54 there were people who were like, what is going on?
01:49:56 Because I know Jalen Brown was,
01:49:58 people thought that was a reach.
01:50:00 His Cal year, like he had obviously all the tools,
01:50:03 but it wasn't the smoothest year
01:50:05 in his one year in college.
01:50:07 And then Jason Tatum, I think very,
01:50:10 there's only been a couple times in NBA history
01:50:12 where a team has traded out of the number one pick.
01:50:15 When you have those moments where you're just like,
01:50:18 I know, I feel it, I know it, this is who we like,
01:50:21 and forget everyone else.
01:50:23 Because it is funny to look back and be like,
01:50:25 at the moment, at that time,
01:50:27 people were like, Danny Ainge is kind of crazy.
01:50:29 - Yeah, I mean, I feel like you don't ever know,
01:50:33 but there are times that it's more fun.
01:50:35 Like there's somebody that you just really like,
01:50:38 and you just feel like it's a fit.
01:50:40 I wish that were the case every year,
01:50:43 but with Jalen, I watched him play a lot that year.
01:50:48 I mean, I got to games at 4.30, seven o'clock tip off,
01:50:50 and I'm watching him out shoot before the game,
01:50:52 and watching his work ethic,
01:50:54 and then I watched their team play,
01:50:56 and he did not have a good finish to that freshman year.
01:50:59 - Yeah.
01:51:00 - But we had had him as the number two or number three pick
01:51:05 before the season started,
01:51:07 and then I watched his team play so much,
01:51:09 I knew they had a point guard that wasn't a good shooter.
01:51:12 They had two seven footers
01:51:14 that weren't good offensive players.
01:51:15 And they just, they didn't have enough shooting,
01:51:19 enough spacing for him, and I really thought,
01:51:23 you know, like, man, you get him in an NBA court,
01:51:25 in the open court, and so we brought him in
01:51:28 for two workouts, and in those two workouts,
01:51:31 he convinced all of us.
01:51:32 - Yeah.
01:51:33 - Our whole organization that he was a guy
01:51:36 that we wanted to go to bat with.
01:51:38 - Yeah, and then Jason is the other one
01:51:40 where it's like people, you know,
01:51:42 like you trade the number one pick,
01:51:44 everyone thought Markel Fultz was the guy.
01:51:47 Philly fans have to look back at that constantly,
01:51:50 our producer Max as well.
01:51:51 - They probably hate you.
01:51:52 - They get to play the game of like, imagine--
01:51:53 - You don't hate me, do you, Max?
01:51:55 - He does.
01:51:55 - No, everything turned out fine.
01:51:56 - No, Max is saying, it's not my fault.
01:51:58 - We traded Markel Fultz for the pick that got Tyrese Maxson.
01:52:01 - Oh, yeah, and there you go.
01:52:03 - He said that was a success.
01:52:04 - Yeah, but no, Max was, he was cussing you out
01:52:06 before you got there.
01:52:07 - Good recovery.
01:52:08 - Incorrect, incorrect.
01:52:09 - Yeah, he hates you.
01:52:10 - But that pick, like, you're out on an island
01:52:12 because everyone's like, this is crazy,
01:52:14 Markel Fultz was the guy for a while there,
01:52:17 and you trade out of it and take Jason Tatum,
01:52:20 but was that a similar feeling where like,
01:52:22 we know that this guy is the best guy in this draft?
01:52:26 - I mean, I loved Markel.
01:52:27 I watched Markel play a lot his senior year in college,
01:52:30 and that was really a hard decision.
01:52:32 I mean, but I felt Jason was the guy for us.
01:52:37 You know, Markel, if you needed a franchise point guard,
01:52:41 that might have been the guy,
01:52:41 but I felt like Tatum was more important
01:52:44 for us to get at that moment,
01:52:45 and it just, it worked out great for us.
01:52:47 It was, you know, Markel, I think, had injuries,
01:52:51 but he's shown to be an outstanding player,
01:52:54 and I think he's still got a lot of basketball left in him.
01:52:57 - Yeah, when you're scouting,
01:52:59 you can't scout high school players anymore in the NBA.
01:53:02 But back when you could,
01:53:04 were there any special tricks that you used to use
01:53:06 when you'd go into a gym, watch a high school player play?
01:53:09 Maybe like, somebody might get nervous
01:53:11 if they're like Danny Ainge.
01:53:12 - Did someone give you that tip?
01:53:13 - No, I ask the question to every guest that we have.
01:53:15 I talk to Perkins about this.
01:53:16 - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:53:17 - But they're like, man, Danny Ainge is here.
01:53:19 I might get nervous.
01:53:20 I hope I don't play bad.
01:53:20 - I can't give my secrets,
01:53:22 but I've been to high school gyms,
01:53:25 and I was grateful that my boys,
01:53:27 I had four boys that played AAU basketball
01:53:31 and was able to go into the gyms
01:53:33 at all the major tournaments for a lot of years.
01:53:35 - Yeah, so maybe-- - No disguise.
01:53:37 - Disguise that was worn, no glasses, fake nose.
01:53:40 (laughing)
01:53:41 The Groucho Marx or-- - Nothing?
01:53:43 - Whatever it was. - Oh my gosh,
01:53:45 I'm gonna kill crew.
01:53:46 (laughing)
01:53:48 - To me, that disguise makes you stick out even more.
01:53:50 It's like, who's this guy that's wearing a disguise?
01:53:52 - Yeah. - It's a good disguise.
01:53:53 You gotta be good at your disguise.
01:53:54 - Yeah, you just have to believe it.
01:53:56 - Yeah, you have to-- - Would you ever
01:53:57 throw on a wig? - Yeah, yeah.
01:53:58 I've done that before.
01:53:59 - You've done the wig?
01:54:00 (laughing)
01:54:03 - That's great.
01:54:04 - Should, are people afraid to take your calls?
01:54:07 - No.
01:54:08 - I would be.
01:54:09 If I was a GM, I would be afraid to take your calls.
01:54:10 I'd be like, he knows something that I don't know.
01:54:13 - Well, you get on the phone with Danny Ange
01:54:14 and then all of a sudden,
01:54:15 your picks for the next 10 years are gone.
01:54:16 - Yeah. - Oh, yeah.
01:54:18 - Like if I get a call-- - How did this happen?
01:54:19 - If you called me right now, I'd be like,
01:54:21 we're sending Hank to the McAfee show?
01:54:24 - He did it to us right here where he's like,
01:54:25 I don't love picks.
01:54:27 - Yeah. - Like, yeah,
01:54:28 and then you're gonna walk out of here
01:54:29 and be like, wait, did we just give up three picks?
01:54:31 What the hell just happened?
01:54:33 - No, I think that, like,
01:54:35 I believe that the trades were fair, I really do.
01:54:39 I mean, some of them worked out for us in Boston,
01:54:41 like Jason Tatum trade.
01:54:42 I mean, it was unfortunate that Markell got hurt,
01:54:45 but I felt like that was a really fair deal
01:54:47 and the same thing with KG and Paul.
01:54:49 Like, they had Darren Williams and Brooke Lopez
01:54:52 and Joe Johnson still in his prime.
01:54:54 Like, I think that that team,
01:54:56 I thought was gonna be a very special team.
01:54:58 I thought they were gonna be in one of the top four
01:54:59 or five teams in the league.
01:55:00 So it just worked out different.
01:55:03 I mean, we just were fortunate that they gave us
01:55:06 the number three picks for Jalen and Jason.
01:55:08 Like, I never had an idea that would happen.
01:55:11 - Yeah, all right, another story that I was told
01:55:15 from inside sources, your wife, when you met her at BYU,
01:55:20 the story goes that you might've met her
01:55:23 and her boyfriend at the time at a party
01:55:26 and then the boyfriend invited you to play
01:55:27 on the flag football team and you went and played
01:55:30 on the flag football team and you're Danny Ainge
01:55:32 and you were the best player by far.
01:55:35 And then your wife was like,
01:55:36 "Oh, I kind of like this guy more."
01:55:38 Is that fair to say?
01:55:40 - That's close, that's close.
01:55:42 - What an idiot that guy was
01:55:44 to invite you to his flag football team.
01:55:46 - Yeah, he played center.
01:55:47 (laughing)
01:55:48 I played quarterback.
01:55:49 (laughing)
01:55:50 And yeah, that's what I claimed to my wife.
01:55:53 That's when she fell for me.
01:55:54 But yeah, I wasn't supposed to be playing flag football.
01:55:57 It was, you know, our basketball players
01:55:59 were not allowed to and someone eventually tattled on me
01:56:03 like right before the championship game.
01:56:05 - No way, oh, that was definitely someone, an opponent.
01:56:07 - Yeah.
01:56:08 - Yeah, they were like, "We don't wanna,
01:56:09 "we're sick of watching Danny Ainge beat our ass."
01:56:11 - Yeah, our coach got news that we're getting ready
01:56:12 for the championship intramural game
01:56:14 and yeah, I wasn't able to play in that game.
01:56:16 - Oh, no way, that's hilarious.
01:56:18 - Might've been the starting center.
01:56:19 - Yeah, probably was.
01:56:20 He's like, "God damn it."
01:56:21 I mean, that was a really poor choice by him
01:56:24 to invite you, I mean, I guess you did get him
01:56:26 to the championship game, but he lost his girlfriend.
01:56:29 - Yeah, I don't know, I mean, yeah,
01:56:30 they were not dating for very long.
01:56:33 (laughing)
01:56:34 - I mean, yeah, don't invite Danny Ainge
01:56:36 on your flag football team.
01:56:37 Did you play, I also heard that you,
01:56:39 when you were playing quarterback,
01:56:40 you would throw it lefty and righty.
01:56:42 - I threw it righty.
01:56:44 - Yeah, but you would, if you were rolling out.
01:56:46 - I could throw it a little bit left, yeah.
01:56:47 - Yeah, I mean, he was a legend, yeah.
01:56:50 He's a patch from homes before a patch from homes.
01:56:52 You taught Pat from homes everything he knows.
01:56:54 - No, no, no, no, no.
01:56:55 - Is that something you look for?
01:56:56 If there's a up and coming player
01:56:58 and they've played lots of sports at a high level
01:57:00 growing up, is that something that you look at
01:57:02 and you're like, "I like that because they've developed
01:57:05 "all these other areas of athleticism
01:57:07 "that will help them be a better basketball player?"
01:57:09 - I think so.
01:57:10 I mean, it's not a make or break deal.
01:57:12 I mean, there's not everybody that played other sports,
01:57:14 but yeah, I think that I get a kick out of guys
01:57:16 that have played other sports and had success,
01:57:19 especially at their young ages,
01:57:21 but that's less and less these days.
01:57:24 There's just not as many.
01:57:25 - Yeah, was there a certain age where it clicked
01:57:27 and you were like, "Oh, I'm better than everyone?"
01:57:30 - No, I would say that the most confident that I got
01:57:36 was when I was playing in that Magic Johnson tournament.
01:57:41 I made all tournament team there back in Boca Raton, Florida
01:57:44 and some of the best, Albert King from New York
01:57:48 and Gene Banks were the high school players of the year.
01:57:52 And I held my own and played really well in that series,
01:57:56 AAU series, and that's when I kind of believed,
01:57:59 like, "Man, this is real good."
01:58:01 But when Walton was playing with the Blazers,
01:58:04 I would go up and play with some of them too.
01:58:06 That same summer, I would play pickup in their camps.
01:58:09 - How old were you?
01:58:11 - I was 17.
01:58:12 - And you were playing with NBA players?
01:58:13 - Playing with NBA players.
01:58:15 And I felt like I could hold my own.
01:58:17 I felt like I could play with those guys.
01:58:19 - That's pretty badass.
01:58:20 - And when Walton was talking to you,
01:58:22 did it ever seem like a riddle that you had to decode
01:58:25 before you answered?
01:58:26 'Cause I feel like if I'm 17 years old talking to Bill Walton
01:58:28 it's gonna take me about a minute to process what he said.
01:58:31 Then if you think about it hard enough, you're like,
01:58:33 "Yeah, he's making a good point."
01:58:34 But you have to, you take a meandering road
01:58:36 to get there sometimes.
01:58:37 - Oh, I got a great Bill Walton story.
01:58:38 - Oh, let's go.
01:58:39 - So Bill, when he was first with us,
01:58:42 he would take a chess set,
01:58:45 like his own computer chess set with him,
01:58:47 and he'd be sitting in his airplane seat,
01:58:49 and we're flying commercial in these days,
01:58:52 and he's sitting in the first class section,
01:58:54 but he's playing computer chess.
01:58:55 And then we're stretching in the mornings,
01:59:00 and he's telling us about Bobby Fischer and Boris Spassky,
01:59:04 and Queen Three to Jack Seven, it was crazy stuff.
01:59:09 We don't know what he's talking about,
01:59:10 but he's talking about the brilliant moves
01:59:13 that these players are making.
01:59:15 So we thought he was like a chess genius,
01:59:17 and he's with that board all the time.
01:59:20 So finally, one day I challenged to play him,
01:59:23 and I beat him.
01:59:26 And then Jerry Seasting challenged to play him,
01:59:29 and he beat him.
01:59:30 (laughing)
01:59:31 And we said, "You can't ever talk chess again.
01:59:34 "You are not good."
01:59:36 - Yeah, what was he doing with that board?
01:59:38 - I don't know, he was like playing against a computer.
01:59:40 Must have been at like level one or something.
01:59:42 - Beginner mode.
01:59:43 - He's dominating, and then he's thinking
01:59:44 that he's on the same level as the Bobby Fischer, Spassky.
01:59:47 The famous blunder, I think,
01:59:48 that was a famous tournament that he was in.
01:59:50 So he reads a story about it,
01:59:51 and just gets his ass kicked.
01:59:54 - Perfect.
01:59:54 - We should let Hank ask a couple questions.
01:59:56 Hank is a diehard Celtics fan, born and raised.
01:59:59 - He loves you.
02:00:00 - Yeah, he does love you.
02:00:01 As much as Max hates you, he loves you.
02:00:02 - Is Hank the guy that made the bet,
02:00:04 the big bet for dunking?
02:00:06 - Yeah, that is.
02:00:07 - Oh yeah, we'll get, we'll actually,
02:00:09 after this, we'll have him go show you his progress.
02:00:12 - But Hank, aren't you like, are you six feet?
02:00:14 - I'm six feet.
02:00:15 - Yeah.
02:00:16 - I've been training.
02:00:17 - How old are you, Hank?
02:00:18 - I'm 30.
02:00:19 - Okay, just a pop.
02:00:19 (laughing)
02:00:22 - I got about eight months to get about seven inches.
02:00:25 - But have you ever dunked before?
02:00:26 - No.
02:00:27 - Not even close.
02:00:28 - Hank.
02:00:29 (laughing)
02:00:30 - He deadpan asked Derek White, he's like,
02:00:32 "Hey, Derek, when did you first dunk?"
02:00:34 I was like, "Hank, are you asking Derek White
02:00:36 "when he first, I don't think you can compare the two."
02:00:39 - Well, Hank, HGH in the rules.
02:00:43 - Yeah, yeah, he actually said September, October's
02:00:46 when he's gonna start mixing in the steroids
02:00:48 if he doesn't make progress.
02:00:48 - Yeah, we're trying, I mean, we're getting progress,
02:00:50 but we're gonna, you know, we're gonna go through it
02:00:52 the natural way, and then if it gets to like October,
02:00:54 November, we might start going the alternate routes.
02:00:57 - Okay, well, you can come out to Utah and--
02:01:00 - Do the altitude.
02:01:01 - Yeah, get the elevator to thin air, jump in thin air.
02:01:03 - Yeah, on some trampolines.
02:01:05 All right, so yeah, Hank, what are your questions?
02:01:06 - Yeah, obviously, you know, when you're in Boston,
02:01:08 everyone called you Trader Danny,
02:01:09 but one trade I didn't even know was possible
02:01:12 until it happened was when you traded the coach.
02:01:15 Was that like a different negotiation, you know,
02:01:18 talking to teams versus, you know,
02:01:19 when you're talking about players,
02:01:20 and you're like, "Hey, do you want a coach?"
02:01:23 - Well, what happened there was, you know,
02:01:25 Doc had been with us for nine years,
02:01:27 and he knew we were, and he had gone through
02:01:29 a rebuild with us before we made the big trade,
02:01:32 and so he was just not in the mood to do it again,
02:01:38 and I'd completely understood where he was,
02:01:42 and so the Clippers opportunity came to him,
02:01:45 and, you know, he's under contract.
02:01:48 I can't just let my coach go, so, you know,
02:01:51 I don't think Doc was happy at first,
02:01:53 but I think he understood where we stood,
02:01:55 and we got a first-round pick for our coach,
02:01:59 but Doc got to go do what he wanted to do,
02:02:02 was go coach Chris Paul and Blake Griffin,
02:02:04 and they obviously had a lot of promise there, Clippers.
02:02:07 - Yeah, yeah.
02:02:09 - I mean, this isn't really a question either,
02:02:11 and, you know, he didn't pan out,
02:02:12 but he was a fan favorite.
02:02:13 He was always one of my favorites.
02:02:15 Gershon Yabusele.
02:02:16 I just love him. - Yabusele.
02:02:18 He just likes saying the name.
02:02:20 - Yabu, he didn't say it right.
02:02:22 Gershon Yabusele.
02:02:23 He's still playing.
02:02:25 He's still playing really well overseas right now,
02:02:28 but he didn't, you know, what happened with Gershon is
02:02:31 he had some tight Achilles tendon,
02:02:36 and so he got surgery on them,
02:02:38 and, you know, it messed up his whole rookie year,
02:02:41 and we knew that going in, you know,
02:02:44 trying to do what was best for him and his health,
02:02:48 but it didn't really help,
02:02:50 and he was not the same even in the second year,
02:02:53 but watching him play now, you know,
02:02:54 I wish we had that Gershon the last few years
02:02:57 he's been playing in Europe,
02:02:59 and from that health standpoint,
02:03:01 but by the time he really did get healthy,
02:03:03 we just had a stacked team,
02:03:06 but Gershon was a great, fun kid,
02:03:08 and had a lot of talent.
02:03:10 - What's the number one trait you look for in prospects?
02:03:13 Is it size?
02:03:15 Is it explosiveness?
02:03:16 Shooting ability?
02:03:17 - I mean, there's not, I'm asked that question a lot.
02:03:20 I don't think there's one.
02:03:22 I mean, but talent overrides a lot.
02:03:25 - Yeah.
02:03:25 - You know, when guys are really talented,
02:03:27 you can look the other way on other things sometimes,
02:03:32 but-- - I guess that would be
02:03:33 a better question is what's the one thing
02:03:35 you can look the other way on being like,
02:03:37 they can probably get better at this?
02:03:40 - I mean, if a guy is a great athlete,
02:03:45 and a good player, has a good brain, but can't shoot,
02:03:49 I think that that's a-- - A good bet to take.
02:03:51 - He's got a chance to be a good bet.
02:03:52 - Yeah, yeah.
02:03:53 - Like, you know, like Scottie Pippen, Magic Johnson,
02:03:56 all those guys, they weren't great shooters.
02:03:57 Jason Kidd, one of my favorites that I ever coached
02:04:01 was Jason Kidd, or been around.
02:04:03 But he was, you know, what a special player he was.
02:04:07 - Yeah.
02:04:08 - Him, Gary Payton, Scottie Pippen, Matt Maddock,
02:04:11 if they could never learn, if they never learned to shoot,
02:04:14 which they all did learn to shoot,
02:04:15 they still would have been great players.
02:04:16 - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah.
02:04:17 - So what's the recipe for that?
02:04:18 Just, is it a numbers game?
02:04:20 Just get in the gym, work for,
02:04:22 to put up this amount of shots every day?
02:04:24 - Yeah, I mean, Kawhi Leonard was another guy
02:04:26 that wasn't a great shooter in college,
02:04:27 and turned out to be one of the best.
02:04:29 - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah.
02:04:30 - How many shots a day do I need to get good?
02:04:32 You saw me shoot a little bit, I think I break the layout.
02:04:34 - I'm not sure that'll happen.
02:04:36 (laughing)
02:04:37 It's about the same odds as Hank Duncan.
02:04:40 - Yeah.
02:04:41 - Who's the one guy you, I don't wanna say missed on,
02:04:45 but you're like, man, I was thinking about drafting him,
02:04:49 and it just didn't work out,
02:04:50 and I obviously turned out to be great.
02:04:53 - I would say Jimmy Butler.
02:04:56 - Okay. - He's the first one
02:04:57 that comes to mind.
02:04:58 You know, he was a late first round pick,
02:05:00 and he was seriously in our thoughts of drafting,
02:05:04 and we went another direction,
02:05:06 and Jimmy turned out to be a great player.
02:05:07 - Yeah. - And that's probably
02:05:09 the one I regret the most.
02:05:10 - What about Giannis?
02:05:12 - Giannis was different.
02:05:14 It's not like, it's hard to regret, but I saw--
02:05:18 - Everyone missed on Giannis.
02:05:20 - Right, I mean, I saw Giannis play
02:05:21 like three months before the draft,
02:05:24 maybe four months before the draft,
02:05:25 and I liked him, I loved his enthusiasm for the game.
02:05:29 And then I saw him in the summer league,
02:05:31 and it was like he's three inches taller,
02:05:33 like he actually has muscles in his arm.
02:05:35 Like, it was incredible. - Yeah.
02:05:37 - The transformation over that time,
02:05:38 but I mean, what a great story Giannis is.
02:05:41 - Yeah. - I went over to Greece
02:05:42 to watch him play, and I mean, he was a joy to watch,
02:05:46 but never in a million years could I imagine him
02:05:50 being an MVP, NBA champion that he's become,
02:05:53 but it's fun to see.
02:05:55 - Yeah, so you've lived your whole life in basketball.
02:05:58 Can you notice, like going overseas now,
02:06:01 just how much the game has grown,
02:06:03 and how much better the guys are,
02:06:04 just like on a baseline level?
02:06:06 - Yeah, I mean, I think it's been that way
02:06:07 for the last 20 years. - Yeah.
02:06:09 - It's big, I mean, people talk about Jokic,
02:06:13 and how he's the best player in the game today,
02:06:16 but I remember when, well, Drazen Petrovic
02:06:20 was a superstar over there years ago.
02:06:22 I played with Drazen for a year in Portland,
02:06:25 and then Sabonis, Sabonis before he had
02:06:29 his Achilles tendon injury when he was 20, 21 years old,
02:06:34 I mean, he was so special.
02:06:36 He passed the ball like Jokic, he could shoot,
02:06:40 he was 7'2", I mean, he was an amazing,
02:06:43 amazing young player. - Yeah.
02:06:45 - I mean, it's been good over there for quite a while.
02:06:47 - Yeah, but different countries
02:06:49 that have different strengths, like is one country known,
02:06:51 hey, they produce really great point guards,
02:06:53 one country's like, you gotta get like a Serbian big man.
02:06:56 - No, I don't think so, I think that there's,
02:06:59 I think they come from all the countries over there,
02:07:02 and I mean, you got Doncic and Jokic from the same country,
02:07:07 but they're completely different positions,
02:07:09 but those guys are very special.
02:07:12 I mean, I don't know why they grew those two players,
02:07:15 but it's a big country, and actually a small country.
02:07:18 - Yeah, it actually is remarkable that both those guys.
02:07:21 - Yeah, I mean, they had good basketball roots,
02:07:24 and you could just see how smart they were
02:07:26 at a very young age. - Yeah, yeah.
02:07:29 All right, well, this has been great.
02:07:30 I have a couple last questions.
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02:07:40 I don't know if you know this, Danny,
02:07:41 but we've been trying to get you on this show
02:07:42 for a long time, so this is a thrill for us.
02:07:45 Hank has been bothering your son for how many years, Hank?
02:07:49 Four or five? - Six.
02:07:50 - Six, six years? (laughs)
02:07:53 - That's so fun. - Yeah, we,
02:07:55 and I feel, I hope you had a good time
02:07:57 where it's like, oh, we could've probably done this
02:07:58 years ago. - No, it was good.
02:07:59 It was way better than anything else
02:08:01 I'm doing in Chicago tonight,
02:08:02 so I've been sitting watching basketball, so this is fun.
02:08:05 - Yeah, so last couple questions.
02:08:08 Is there, so you got in some scraps in the NBA.
02:08:12 You know, it is funny watching back some of these old videos
02:08:15 where you were completely unafraid,
02:08:17 and doesn't matter who the guy was,
02:08:20 you weren't gonna take shit,
02:08:21 but you famously got bit in a fight by Tree Rollins.
02:08:26 What was going through your head while you were getting bit?
02:08:28 Were you like, is he actually biting me right now?
02:08:31 Is this actually happening? - Oh, yeah.
02:08:33 Yeah, I mean, so Tree was a physical player.
02:08:36 It was a playoff game, and you know, like, he set screens.
02:08:40 I think that's part of their thing.
02:08:41 They're gonna hit us on screens.
02:08:43 In those days, they didn't call 'em like they do today.
02:08:45 I mean, they let guys really screen and move and hit,
02:08:49 and Tree had knocked out Quinn Buckner earlier in the game,
02:08:53 and you know, just with an elbow, and Quinn went down.
02:08:57 And so, I just gave him an elbow
02:09:00 as he was running back down the court.
02:09:02 He's running by me, and I just like gave him an elbow,
02:09:05 'cause he's been doing that all night,
02:09:07 but he turned and started coming at me.
02:09:09 I mean, I basically had two options,
02:09:10 to run to the locker room or tackle Tree.
02:09:14 And so I went and tackled Tree, and we're in a dog pile,
02:09:18 all the players on the floor, and my finger is in his mouth,
02:09:22 and I swear, I thought he was gonna bite it off.
02:09:25 - Jesus Christ! - I thought he was gnawing
02:09:27 at my finger to bite it off.
02:09:29 - Yeah, that's gotta be terrifying.
02:09:31 - It was crazy, but I don't think that he could move.
02:09:33 I think we were all kinda paralyzed
02:09:35 with all the bodies around,
02:09:37 and that was his way of getting at me, I guess.
02:09:40 At that moment, my hand must have been up close to his face,
02:09:43 and he just like chose to bite it, almost bite it off.
02:09:46 But it was crazy, I looked down at my hand,
02:09:49 and I could see it hadn't started bleeding.
02:09:52 And so I could see my finger, it lift up,
02:09:55 I could see all the way to the tendons
02:09:57 and all the way inside my hand.
02:09:58 - You still have the scars? - You really, bitch?
02:09:59 Do you have teeth marks on your finger still?
02:10:01 - I have a scar on the middle of my finger right here.
02:10:03 - That's a pretty cool scar.
02:10:04 - Yeah, a man bit me.
02:10:05 - Yeah, a man bit me in the NBA game.
02:10:07 - I still say when I play golf, when I hit a tree,
02:10:10 that Tree Rawlins blocked my shot.
02:10:13 (laughing)
02:10:14 - So, and then in terms of all the fights
02:10:17 or the scraps or the physical play,
02:10:19 was there ever a time where Larry Bird got mad at you
02:10:21 and was like, "No, we shouldn't fight today"?
02:10:24 Because Larry got in fights too.
02:10:26 - Yeah, Larry had some fights, but no, a matter of fact,
02:10:29 we kind of had a team rule that if you go down swinging,
02:10:35 you gotta take someone equal or better
02:10:37 on the other team with you.
02:10:39 - That's a good rule.
02:10:41 - But other than that, I think that it was,
02:10:44 I mean, I could score 35 in a game
02:10:47 and Red would come in and pat me on the butt,
02:10:49 say, "Nice job, way to go."
02:10:51 But if I got in a fight, he wanted to celebrate.
02:10:54 He wanted to take me out to dinner
02:10:55 and throw a party for me.
02:10:57 It was unbelievable how excited Red was
02:11:00 when the fights happened.
02:11:01 - That's great.
02:11:02 - And he just, he loved that.
02:11:05 He loved that intensity.
02:11:08 - I didn't, I mean, I played 14 years in the NBA
02:11:11 and I mean, I think I had like six of them,
02:11:13 but they were usually at times when--
02:11:16 - Yeah, they were memorable.
02:11:18 I just Googled Danny Ainge fighting before,
02:11:21 earlier this morning, and I was like,
02:11:22 "Damn, he would throw with anyone."
02:11:25 - Yeah, I didn't win very many.
02:11:27 - Yeah, the one where you got knocked out.
02:11:29 But you actually got up.
02:11:30 - So, yeah.
02:11:32 - You got up fast.
02:11:33 That was credit to you.
02:11:34 That was a big time, "I'm not injured, I'm not injured,
02:11:37 but you're clearly injured" move.
02:11:38 - Yeah, no, I wasn't injured.
02:11:40 I was, I was dizzy.
02:11:41 - Yeah.
02:11:42 - I was chasing him and I felt like my body was tilting
02:11:46 the whole time running after Sadal.
02:11:48 And someone asked me,
02:11:51 "What were the greatest shots you ever made in the NBA?"
02:11:53 And it was, "Those two free throws."
02:11:55 I saw two baskets.
02:11:58 Philly fans are going crazy.
02:12:00 And I made both the technical free throws,
02:12:03 but it was, that was, yeah.
02:12:06 - He also-- - In those days,
02:12:07 you'd have been, you know, concussion protocol
02:12:10 for two weeks or whatever.
02:12:12 - He also, he escalated that very quickly.
02:12:15 It was like a push and then he's like,
02:12:16 "You know what, I'm just gonna punch Danny
02:12:18 into the face."
02:12:19 - Yeah, it was a sucker punch.
02:12:20 - Yeah. - He got me good.
02:12:21 - Yeah, he did, but you got up.
02:12:22 - He landed the punch, though.
02:12:25 He won the fight.
02:12:26 - Did Tree ever reach out and apologize?
02:12:28 Was he like, "Hey, my bad for biting you."
02:12:30 - No, no, but I mean, everybody that I know
02:12:33 that's played with Tree says he's a great guy.
02:12:35 Like, I don't hold anything against fighting
02:12:37 and those things that happen in a battle.
02:12:40 - What about as a talent evaluator?
02:12:43 Do you like a guy that fights on your team?
02:12:45 - It's kind of a phase out of the game.
02:12:46 - I mean, it's harder to fight now
02:12:48 just because it's so penal.
02:12:50 But I think, I like guys that fight.
02:12:53 I mean, not literal fight, but guys that'll fight
02:12:56 for what they can and take it as far as they can.
02:12:58 - You like guys who, do you actually--
02:13:00 - I like instigators.
02:13:01 - Yeah. - Yeah.
02:13:02 - Can you tell if a guy has the dog in him?
02:13:05 I don't know if you know that, yeah.
02:13:06 - Yeah, I mean, I think some of my favorite draft picks
02:13:08 were Avery Bradley, Tony Allen, Delonte West.
02:13:13 Like, they were big time instigators.
02:13:16 - They got the dog.
02:13:17 Do you have like an analytics department
02:13:19 that has the, like, you know, you pull up all the charts
02:13:21 and you're like, "All right, he's got 95% dog."
02:13:22 - That's a good idea. - Yeah.
02:13:24 We could be that for you.
02:13:25 - Okay, we're gonna do some dog evaluations.
02:13:28 - You just give us a guy, have him come by.
02:13:30 - I hear my scouts talk about it all the time,
02:13:32 but like, we need to like, is it 20%?
02:13:35 - Yeah, put a number on it.
02:13:35 - 75% dog.
02:13:36 - You need to know what kind of dog, too.
02:13:38 - Yeah, I had a scout, Leo Papil,
02:13:41 who I worked with in Boston,
02:13:42 and he used to always say, "He's the wrong kind of cat.
02:13:44 "He's a house cat."
02:13:45 Say, "Is he an alley cat or is he a house cat?"
02:13:48 - Yeah, indoor cat, outdoor cat.
02:13:49 - Yeah, yeah.
02:13:50 - You want a-- - We need Rottweilers,
02:13:51 pit bulls. - Yeah.
02:13:52 - It was John Thompson that said like,
02:13:54 "You can get one of those guys and win a championship.
02:13:56 "If you have two of them on the same team,
02:13:58 "they can get you fired though."
02:13:59 - Yeah. - So be careful with two of them.
02:14:00 - Dogs fight each other. - Interesting.
02:14:01 Yeah, Hank, you got one last question?
02:14:04 - Yeah, the only thing I was gonna ask about,
02:14:06 I like hearing those stories about the old garden
02:14:08 versus the new garden,
02:14:10 like the home court advantage, the heat.
02:14:12 I always wish I got to go there.
02:14:14 - Yeah, I mean, that Lakers game,
02:14:17 you know, where it was 100 and something degrees,
02:14:19 yeah, that was crazy.
02:14:22 But the old garden was just more, it was just steeper.
02:14:26 It felt like they were right on top of you.
02:14:29 You know, we got the smoke going on in the arena.
02:14:32 You had all the dead spots all over the floor.
02:14:34 - Would you know, do you knew all the dead spots?
02:14:36 - No, no, like we didn't know the dead spots
02:14:39 'cause we never practiced there,
02:14:40 but we knew there were dead spots.
02:14:42 - Ah. - And so I think
02:14:43 that's an advantage.
02:14:44 I mean, there was, I remember Isaiah Thomas
02:14:46 coming down one time and, you know,
02:14:48 doing his dance with the ball and he loses the ball.
02:14:50 Like, we knew not to do that.
02:14:52 - Right. - You know, like,
02:14:53 it's not a normal floor, so.
02:14:55 But that might have been our only advantage,
02:14:57 but we didn't know where the dead spots were.
02:14:58 - Yeah, yeah, that's a good question.
02:15:00 - None of us were that good at ball handlers anyway.
02:15:02 (laughing)
02:15:03 - Kyrie would have to know.
02:15:04 Is Kyrie the most talented ball handler you've ever seen?
02:15:08 - He's up there for sure.
02:15:10 I'm trying to think.
02:15:11 There's a lot of good ones.
02:15:13 But I mean, Kyrie was, he's a magician with the ball.
02:15:16 He's really fun to watch and he has really strong hands.
02:15:20 So like, you know, in traffic,
02:15:21 he hardly ever loses the ball.
02:15:23 And yeah, he's a beautiful player.
02:15:26 - Yeah, did you get as personally offended
02:15:28 when he stomped on Lucky as Hank did?
02:15:30 Hank was like, you couldn't talk to him for a week.
02:15:32 - Is that right? - Yeah, he was so upset.
02:15:34 What's your stat?
02:15:35 Like, after he stomped on Lucky,
02:15:36 he hasn't won a game there?
02:15:38 - That, pretty sure.
02:15:39 - Yeah, pretty sure he hasn't won a game.
02:15:41 - Pretty sure, good stats.
02:15:42 - I'm not.
02:15:43 I mean, I'm grateful Kyrie gave us a chance.
02:15:45 And he was great for the first year and a half.
02:15:49 And like, some things went wrong.
02:15:51 He talked with me about it.
02:15:53 Like, I don't hold any grudges at all.
02:15:55 - Okay, so Hank will just hold the grudge
02:15:57 for stomping on Lucky.
02:15:58 - Hank will get over it.
02:15:59 - No, he won't.
02:16:00 - Definitely won't.
02:16:01 - Like, anything else would be forgiven,
02:16:03 but he stepped on Lucky.
02:16:04 - That's the difference between players and executives
02:16:07 and guys who are on that side versus fans.
02:16:09 Fans will never get over it.
02:16:10 - Yeah, I mean, I would get over it
02:16:12 just because I know all the circumstance
02:16:14 and I know Kyrie and what he did to help us.
02:16:18 And yeah, I hold no grudges.
02:16:20 - Yeah, but stomping on Lucky.
02:16:21 - Yeah, he stepped right on that leprechaun's face.
02:16:24 - Lucky should have been standing there.
02:16:26 - Yeah, what did Lucky do to instigate it?
02:16:28 - Instigate that.
02:16:29 That's what we need to ask.
02:16:30 - It's a symbol.
02:16:31 It's a symbol.
02:16:32 - I do have one last, last question.
02:16:34 How often do you get unsolicited advice from fans
02:16:36 on what to do with the game?
02:16:37 - Oh, wow, all the time.
02:16:39 - Yeah.
02:16:40 - Yeah, and I like it.
02:16:42 I think it's fun.
02:16:42 - Really?
02:16:43 - Yeah, there's some good ideas.
02:16:44 There's some not so good ideas,
02:16:45 but fans, they love that stuff.
02:16:49 I mean, the fans care more in the world we live in today,
02:16:52 more about the trades and the draft
02:16:55 and the free agency and lottery than they do the games.
02:17:00 It's incredible how much of a following there is in the NBA
02:17:03 and in the NFL just with all of that chatter.
02:17:07 - Yeah.
02:17:08 - And so I like it.
02:17:09 I enjoy it.
02:17:10 - Has there been like a really good suggestion
02:17:11 that somebody's given you?
02:17:12 - Yeah, I mean, I get them sometimes from kids at schools,
02:17:16 going to watch games, some college kids.
02:17:19 They come up with some very good ideas, yeah.
02:17:22 - Here's a suggestion.
02:17:23 Let's bring back some paint play
02:17:25 and maybe some mid-range.
02:17:27 Just zig while everyone zags, no more threes.
02:17:30 - Well, there's teams that are doing that.
02:17:32 I think it's coming that direction.
02:17:35 I think that it's not like exclusively threes,
02:17:38 but I think there was a three craze
02:17:41 and I think the three is still a great thing
02:17:44 if you got great three-point shooters.
02:17:45 But you have to have both.
02:17:46 You gotta be able to score in lots of ways.
02:17:47 - Yeah, I just don't wanna see basketball
02:17:49 become like baseball where it's some teams
02:17:52 and more like college teams are playing this way
02:17:54 where it's like no shots that aren't threes or layups.
02:17:59 And it's like, I mean, there's gotta be something more.
02:18:02 There has to be something more.
02:18:03 - Yeah, I mean, I've always fought the analytics on that.
02:18:06 The analytics will say that mid-range shot
02:18:09 is a 40-something percent shot or around there.
02:18:12 And get better at it then.
02:18:15 Shoot 50%, shoot 55%.
02:18:18 - Be Kevin Durant or Martin Roses.
02:18:20 - Yeah, there's a lot of players
02:18:21 that shoot a higher percentage than that.
02:18:25 That can be very efficient with your team at mid-range.
02:18:27 And especially at times of the game.
02:18:29 There's times of the game where two points is crucial
02:18:33 or one point.
02:18:34 Like you got a seven or eight point lead
02:18:36 and it's hard, like get the 55% shot
02:18:38 instead of the 40% shot.
02:18:41 So yeah, I think that it's coming in that direction.
02:18:44 - Yeah, all right, well Danny, thank you so much.
02:18:46 This was honestly, like I said,
02:18:48 we've been trying to get you on for a while now
02:18:50 and this didn't disappoint.
02:18:51 We appreciate it very much.
02:18:52 Anytime you're in Chicago, we'd love to have you back on.
02:18:55 - Okay.
02:18:56 - And let's--
02:18:56 - Just need to get crew on.
02:18:58 - When you get crew on, we also need to go,
02:19:00 let's go judge Hank's dunking ability.
02:19:01 - Oh yeah.
02:19:02 - Give us the scout's take on this.
02:19:03 - Hank, I gotta see how far you are.
02:19:05 (laughing)
02:19:06 - It's gonna be great.
02:19:06 - Bear in mind that--
02:19:07 - Tune in to PMTV.
02:19:08 - Bear in mind that what you're watching today
02:19:09 is probably like five inches better
02:19:12 than what it was three months ago.
02:19:13 - Yeah, I worked out this morning too.
02:19:15 - Oh, here come the excuses.
02:19:17 You're giving an excuse to Danny Ainge
02:19:19 who was basically the best at every single sport.
02:19:21 Yeah, you worked out today.
02:19:22 Yeah, just go do it, Hank.
02:19:23 - Yeah, all right, thanks Danny.
02:19:24 - All right, thank you.
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02:20:41 Okay, let's wrap it up with some Part in Your Take.
02:20:45 Reminder, we're back on Friday,
02:20:48 and we also have 35 minutes of Bill Walton
02:20:51 from our 2017 interview after numbers here coming up.
02:20:56 - Hey, Big Cat, PFT, and the boys.
02:20:58 I have a College Football fan-based question for you.
02:21:00 - They left out a co-host.
02:21:01 - I'm a massive Colorado Buffalo fan.
02:21:03 I have always been, even before Deion showed up.
02:21:05 I've enjoyed seeing Colorado
02:21:07 being brought out more in conversation,
02:21:09 but now it's mainly people just hating on Colorado.
02:21:11 Would you rather be a fan of a team that no one talks about
02:21:14 or be a fan of the team that everyone hates?
02:21:17 - That's a good question.
02:21:20 - I would rather be a fan of a team that everyone hates
02:21:25 if the hate was because we were winning.
02:21:27 This isn't that.
02:21:29 - If the hate was because you talked a big game
02:21:33 and you never did anything.
02:21:34 - You didn't win.
02:21:35 - That'd be tough, yeah.
02:21:37 That'd be really, right now,
02:21:38 as a fan of many teams that nobody cares about,
02:21:41 it's not that bad.
02:21:43 - Yeah, Colorado's so weird to me because Colorado,
02:21:46 and this is maybe just the '90s kid in me,
02:21:49 I remember when Colorado was a big deal
02:21:52 and Cordell Stewart and all those teams
02:21:54 and Rashawn Salam and--
02:21:56 - Westbrook.
02:21:57 - Yeah, Westbrook.
02:21:58 But it's crazy they're not good
02:22:03 because Boulder's the coolest place on earth
02:22:06 and their colors are awesome and their stadium is awesome.
02:22:08 I know that doesn't actually make
02:22:10 a college football program,
02:22:11 but in my dumb brain it does.
02:22:13 Do you have a cool stadium, cool colors,
02:22:17 and is it a cool place to go to school?
02:22:19 Okay, you should be good at football.
02:22:21 - Well, that's also what would make people hate it more
02:22:23 if you were also good at football.
02:22:24 It's like you can't have everything.
02:22:26 - Yeah, I think that this type of hate
02:22:30 is not the best hate.
02:22:31 People, if you're Alabama, you probably love being hated.
02:22:37 That's a fun hate to have.
02:22:38 - Because you can always--
02:22:39 - Georgia, fun hate.
02:22:40 You can always just be like,
02:22:41 well, we're gonna kick your ass.
02:22:42 - Yeah, Michigan this past year,
02:22:44 that's a very fun hate.
02:22:46 Us against the world and you're winning,
02:22:48 but this one is not as fun of a hate.
02:22:51 - Yeah, yeah, for a while for my teams
02:22:52 it's been us against the world
02:22:54 and we've just gotten our teeth kicked in by the world.
02:22:56 - The world keeps winning.
02:22:57 - The world minus 2000.
02:22:59 - Yeah.
02:23:00 I know it's late, but Max's Sixers ruined the NBA lottery.
02:23:05 The process has failed like everything in Philly lately
02:23:07 and it pisses me off even more
02:23:09 that because of those losers,
02:23:10 they changed the whole lottery system.
02:23:13 I've watched so much bad basketball
02:23:15 because I never got to see Blake Dunk
02:23:17 because he was hurt
02:23:18 and Detroit is in its longest championship drought
02:23:20 as a city ever.
02:23:21 I hope that Wemby could save us,
02:23:23 but instead all I got was another kick to the dick.
02:23:25 Fuck the NBA, fuck the lottery,
02:23:27 fuck the Sixers and fuck you, Max.
02:23:29 - Did Philly ruin the Detroit Pistons?
02:23:32 - That's a fair part in your take, yes.
02:23:34 Like if you're a Pistons fan,
02:23:37 you have a fair gripe to be like,
02:23:39 hey, the way the lottery worked for all these years,
02:23:43 we should have been in that lottery
02:23:45 and we should have gotten Wemby.
02:23:47 - How about you just be better?
02:23:49 - Well, no, but you didn't do that.
02:23:51 - But the process, that's not what the process was at all.
02:23:53 - You literally were worse to game the system.
02:23:58 - You ruined it for the rest of us.
02:23:59 - You pulled the ladder up on everyone else.
02:24:03 - That's not true.
02:24:05 - Yeah, you did, you climbed the ladder
02:24:08 by getting number one picks and pulled it up.
02:24:10 - You sucked so flagrantly
02:24:12 that you ruined every other shitty team ever.
02:24:15 - You're the baby boomers of NBA franchise.
02:24:17 - We were the only team that admitted it.
02:24:19 - But you understand this Pistons point,
02:24:22 this is a fair part in your take.
02:24:23 - Yeah.
02:24:24 - They have suffered and they just wanted a shot,
02:24:27 a good shot at Wemby for being so bad
02:24:30 and all they keep getting is the fifth pick.
02:24:32 - Sorry, I don't give a fuck about it.
02:24:34 - You don't sound sorry.
02:24:35 - I don't give a fuck about it.
02:24:37 - Also one correction on this guys take,
02:24:39 the process isn't over yet, right?
02:24:42 We're still processing?
02:24:44 - Yeah, yeah, the process of the process
02:24:46 is not concluded yet.
02:24:47 - Sorry, that was a cigarette Snickers burp.
02:24:49 - The process of the process worked.
02:24:51 The results of the process, jury's still out.
02:24:53 - Thank you.
02:24:54 - We still have not decided if the process worked or not.
02:24:59 Until Joe Elm beat, until--
02:25:01 - How many more years?
02:25:03 - Unfortunately PFT, I think it's in perpetuity
02:25:06 because it's until like Joe Elm beat
02:25:09 will play for the Sixers, then he'll demand to leave
02:25:11 because the Sixers fans will be so mean to him
02:25:13 and then his trade assets will be part of the process.
02:25:16 - Got it.
02:25:17 - And then the next guy will be part of that.
02:25:19 So they're in a process for the Sixers fans,
02:25:23 as long as some piece of the process is still alive
02:25:27 and they win a title in 50 years,
02:25:30 they can be like the process worked.
02:25:32 - Yeah.
02:25:33 - Precisely.
02:25:35 - Jesus.
02:25:36 - Precisely.
02:25:37 - I do feel bad, but if it's any consolation to Detroit,
02:25:41 San Antonio was always gonna get wimpy.
02:25:43 - Yeah.
02:25:44 - That's just, that's how it was gonna work.
02:25:45 - And you have Jared.
02:25:46 - You know what we need?
02:25:47 We need all the current Sixers right now to just retire.
02:25:50 Then the process is over.
02:25:52 How would that not be the process over?
02:25:54 - If they just disbanded the team.
02:25:55 - No, I just don't want, I disagree.
02:25:57 - Right, but if they did that,
02:25:58 then we would be done with the process.
02:26:00 - Sure.
02:26:01 - So if they disbanded the team and they all quit,
02:26:03 then you would never have another playoff loss again,
02:26:05 and that would be a win.
02:26:07 - Or the Sixers just win the process is done.
02:26:10 - Yeah, we don't want that.
02:26:11 - Yeah, you do.
02:26:12 - No, we don't.
02:26:13 - All right, one with this one.
02:26:15 - Imagine if Max won.
02:26:16 - That would--
02:26:19 - What's next, he's gonna get the lottery ball?
02:26:21 - I haven't won, I know I haven't won,
02:26:22 well, actually, technically, I have won on this show.
02:26:25 - Yeah, Cubs.
02:26:26 - Won a World Series.
02:26:26 - That's huge.
02:26:27 - But, Hank Seltzer's have seen nothing but success.
02:26:31 - I have seen nothing but success.
02:26:32 Raise your hand if your team's won a championship
02:26:35 on part of my take.
02:26:36 - Pug, what are you raising your hand for?
02:26:40 Oh, the NIT, yes, Pug, yes, the NIT.
02:26:42 - NIT, chancy, you know.
02:26:45 - Memes?
02:26:46 - Georgia won back-to-back national championships.
02:26:49 - Oh, yeah, Georgia fan, yep, yep, hell yes.
02:26:52 Max, did you wanna raise your hand?
02:26:56 - Next part of your take.
02:26:57 - Okay.
02:26:58 - And Jake's P's are still in it.
02:26:59 - Yeah.
02:26:59 - Still in it.
02:27:00 - I'm gonna win by being on this podcast.
02:27:01 - Yeah, there you go.
02:27:02 - Are they still, are they calling them the P's now?
02:27:04 - I think it's solely Brooks Koepka.
02:27:06 - But it's started to spread a little bit.
02:27:08 I've seen like three or four other people call it.
02:27:10 - Feels weird.
02:27:11 - Yeah, when Brooks said it on here,
02:27:13 I just like went with it.
02:27:15 - Yeah.
02:27:15 - But I've never heard that before that.
02:27:17 - Shane is gonna win because he's got Jim Harbaugh.
02:27:19 - Yep.
02:27:20 - So, Max, yeah, have you ever gotten this in real life?
02:27:23 - No.
02:27:24 - Close though.
02:27:26 Would you rather, last one.
02:27:28 A series, NBA or NHL that ends in a sweep
02:27:31 but all four games were closely contested
02:27:32 and entertaining throughout, relatable.
02:27:35 Or a series that goes seven games
02:27:36 but the first six games were all blowouts.
02:27:39 Cheers, Tyler.
02:27:40 - Is it, which would you rather watch?
02:27:42 - Would you rather.
02:27:44 - Seven.
02:27:45 'Cause he said seventh game could be great.
02:27:49 - It just says the first six were all blowouts.
02:27:51 - Yeah, so seven.
02:27:52 - Yeah, also in a seven game series,
02:27:54 you get a lot of weird storylines that pop up
02:27:57 and creep up and a lot of stuff to talk about
02:27:59 and get excited about.
02:28:00 - These--
02:28:01 - A four game sweep where all games
02:28:03 were closely contested and entertaining throughout,
02:28:05 a great experience.
02:28:07 - I wonder why you're saying that.
02:28:09 Yeah, I'm over that.
02:28:10 We call that the Lakers.
02:28:11 How far away were the Lakers?
02:28:14 - Two years in a row.
02:28:15 Back to back, almost best team in the NBA.
02:28:19 - They lost the team that lost to the team
02:28:22 that lost to the team.
02:28:25 They can't even, if the Nuggets won it all,
02:28:27 the Lakers could be like, we were so close.
02:28:29 But they literally, if the Mavs lose to the Celtics,
02:28:33 the Lakers lost to the maximum amount of teams.
02:28:36 - Wait, that's so small minded of you, Big Cat.
02:28:38 The only reason that the Nuggets lost,
02:28:40 in seven games by the way, is 'cause they were exhausted.
02:28:43 - Yeah, I guess, yeah.
02:28:44 - From playing against the Lakers.
02:28:45 - But I just realized that, that it would be
02:28:46 the maximum amount of teams they lost to.
02:28:48 Every team they, every team after lost.
02:28:54 - Tough, okay.
02:28:56 Max, do I owe you a number?
02:28:57 This is the last one?
02:28:58 - No. - No, that was last week.
02:29:00 All right.
02:29:01 I wanted 20 so bad to happen.
02:29:03 - Yeah, it would have been great.
02:29:05 - All right, let's do numbers.
02:29:08 32. - 18.
02:29:10 - 56. - Wow.
02:29:12 - Banner 18, Jake.
02:29:13 - Six. - Ooh, nice.
02:29:15 - I gave you a second.
02:29:17 - Max, would you like to trade 20 for 56 right now,
02:29:19 one for one? - No, three.
02:29:21 - Are you sure? - Yes.
02:29:24 - Never give a man two numbers that you like.
02:29:28 - 99, Pug.
02:29:29 - What was your number, PFT?
02:29:30 - 32. - 32.
02:29:31 - I'm looking at 56.
02:29:33 - Three.
02:29:33 - I'm looking at 56 right now, though.
02:29:35 I don't like that.
02:29:36 - I'm picking three.
02:29:37 - Max, this lottery machine is so far in your head.
02:29:40 So far in his head.
02:29:42 What'd you say, Max?
02:29:46 What'd you say?
02:29:48 - I didn't say anything.
02:29:49 - What'd you pick?
02:29:49 - Oh, 20.
02:29:51 - And I have 56, his other number.
02:29:53 - Okay. - I'm picking three.
02:29:55 - 35.
02:30:02 - 35.
02:30:03 - You're good for half a second.
02:30:04 - 35.
02:30:05 Love you guys.
02:30:07 - I thought that said 56.
02:30:09 - Okay, we have our special re-release
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02:30:14 If you missed it when we did the interview,
02:30:17 it's must listen, there's 35 minutes of it.
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02:31:19 And here he is from 2017, the legend Bill Walton.
02:31:23 All right.
02:31:24 - Wow, I am the luckiest guy on earth.
02:31:28 I'm at the MGM Grand.
02:31:29 I've got a view of the Statue of Liberty outside my room.
02:31:33 I'm fired up and I'm with a couple of guys named Dan.
02:31:37 Dan, right? - Yeah, Big Cat.
02:31:39 - Big Cat, Dan, how many names you have?
02:31:41 - Two.
02:31:42 - And PFT? - You nailed it, yes.
02:31:44 - Is that like a restaurant, like P.F. Chang's or something?
02:31:46 - Yeah, you can think of it that way.
02:31:47 You actually, you know my name better than our lawyer does.
02:31:50 So thanks.
02:31:51 - So I'm sure everyone can tell.
02:31:53 - That's a good thing.
02:31:54 - I'm sure everyone can tell the man on the mic.
02:31:57 - I'm Bill.
02:31:58 - That's Bill with two L's.
02:31:59 - From San Diego.
02:32:00 - From San Diego, Bill Walton.
02:32:01 - And I'm the luckiest guy on earth.
02:32:03 - NBA legend, college basketball legend.
02:32:06 - No, no, no, man, I was lucky.
02:32:07 - Ah, you're a legend.
02:32:08 - I was lucky 'cause I had fantastic parents.
02:32:13 My first coach was the greatest coach I ever had.
02:32:16 The message in my life was Chick Hearn,
02:32:19 the most positive, optimistic, happy guy.
02:32:24 A guy who had a lot of reason to be sad.
02:32:27 Chick lost both his children
02:32:29 when they were in their 30s and 40s.
02:32:32 And then John Wooden.
02:32:34 John Wooden, who was this remarkable person
02:32:36 that I had no idea what I had.
02:32:38 Because I grew up thinking that everything was perfect.
02:32:41 - Did John Wooden's ears, were they always very large?
02:32:45 - I never looked at his ears.
02:32:46 - Did you notice at the end, his, the lobes got,
02:32:48 I think that's something that's happened to me
02:32:49 in the old age, yeah.
02:32:50 - I never noticed that.
02:32:51 I made a conscious decision in my life
02:32:54 when I was 21 and I graduated.
02:32:57 I was Coach Wooden's easiest recruit.
02:32:59 I became his worst nightmare.
02:33:01 And I drove the poor guy to an early grave at 99.
02:33:04 But here was a guy who, when I was 21,
02:33:07 when I graduated from UCLA,
02:33:10 he had his pyramid of success, which we thought was crazy.
02:33:12 He had his seven point creed,
02:33:14 which we thought was, what's this?
02:33:16 He had his two sets of threes that did make sense.
02:33:18 Don't lie, don't cheat, don't steal,
02:33:19 don't whine, don't complain, don't make excuses.
02:33:22 He had his endless maxims.
02:33:23 He had his tools to overcome the adversity
02:33:26 and the tough times.
02:33:27 I mean, he wrote everything down.
02:33:29 And he was an English teacher by profession
02:33:31 who happened to have young people
02:33:33 under his athletic supervision in the afternoon.
02:33:35 But here was this guy who, on the day I graduated,
02:33:38 he wrote a maxim for me to Bill Walton.
02:33:42 It's the things you learn after you know it all
02:33:45 that count, John Wooden.
02:33:47 And that still sits on my desk at home.
02:33:49 And although home these days is at the MGM Grand,
02:33:52 where it's just like spectacularly beautiful.
02:33:54 And right behind me, we have Red Rock Canyon State Park.
02:33:59 - You said that, you actually said it.
02:34:00 So when you came in, you sat down and you said,
02:34:02 "I don't wanna look.
02:34:04 "I want my seat to have it, it's back to the window.
02:34:06 "Otherwise I'm just gonna stare out there."
02:34:08 - Concentration, focus, discipline.
02:34:11 That's what I really need worked on.
02:34:13 - And then the clock, what about the clock?
02:34:15 You have a clock.
02:34:16 - I live by the clock.
02:34:17 - You sat down and you put a clock down there.
02:34:17 - Everything you prepare is preparing to fail.
02:34:20 And you gotta know what the time is
02:34:22 because you have to know.
02:34:24 This was another thing I got from John Wooden.
02:34:26 Because when we would go play as children,
02:34:29 and I played all the time.
02:34:30 Basketball was my religion.
02:34:32 The gym was my church.
02:34:33 I love basketball.
02:34:35 It was the easiest thing I've ever done
02:34:37 besides academics in my life.
02:34:40 - Not to brag.
02:34:41 - My challenges have been orthopedic health.
02:34:45 I've had 37 orthopedic surgeries.
02:34:48 Both my ankles are fused.
02:34:49 I've got a replaced knee as well now.
02:34:51 And now I have a replaced and brand new,
02:34:53 reconstructed, rebuilt spine.
02:34:55 My other big challenge in life was my speech impediment.
02:34:59 I'm a lifelong stutterer.
02:35:01 And I couldn't say a word.
02:35:03 I couldn't say hello.
02:35:04 I couldn't say thank you until I was 28 years old.
02:35:08 And then Marty Glickman, one of the greatest broadcasters,
02:35:11 one of the greatest human beings ever.
02:35:13 Please check out his book, "Fastest Kid on the Block."
02:35:16 Please check out his movie on HBO, "Glickman."
02:35:18 Marty's now passed.
02:35:19 When Marty did pass,
02:35:22 they came to Coach Wooden for a comment.
02:35:25 'Cause you know, Coach is so,
02:35:27 he is so experienced, so worldly, and so old
02:35:30 that he knew everybody.
02:35:32 And so Marty, who completely changed the world
02:35:34 of broadcasting and humanity and spirit
02:35:38 and ethics and moral clarity.
02:35:40 When he passed, they asked Coach Wooden about him
02:35:43 and Coach was going on and telling a story
02:35:45 about how great a person and humanitarian
02:35:48 and philanthropist and broadcaster
02:35:50 and really everything that Marty Glickman was.
02:35:52 But then he said, he turned it and he said,
02:35:54 "But I've got a problem with Marty."
02:35:56 'Cause Marty, he taught Bill Walton how to speak,
02:35:58 but now he's passed away and he didn't tell Bill Walton
02:36:00 how to stop talking.
02:36:01 (laughing)
02:36:02 - That's a fair--
02:36:03 - So Dan.
02:36:04 - Yeah.
02:36:05 - Big Cat, PFT.
02:36:06 - Yes.
02:36:07 - How's the restaurant business?
02:36:08 - The restaurant's going well.
02:36:09 - Good.
02:36:10 I love to eat.
02:36:11 - Yeah, that's--
02:36:12 - I eat so much.
02:36:13 I wish I didn't have to eat so much.
02:36:14 - If I were to open a restaurant,
02:36:15 it would just be nachos.
02:36:17 Just nachos and buffalo wings.
02:36:18 - Really?
02:36:19 - You'd have a deep fryer and that'd be it.
02:36:20 - You guys are so young,
02:36:21 you're probably not into health food, man.
02:36:22 You gotta get into health,
02:36:23 you gotta get into sustainability.
02:36:24 - Wait, what does that mean?
02:36:25 I'm not into health food?
02:36:26 Or like, do you think that I'm fat?
02:36:26 - They call me fat.
02:36:27 - Is that what you're saying?
02:36:28 - No.
02:36:29 - Okay, that's okay.
02:36:30 I know that you're really into health food.
02:36:32 - I'm fat.
02:36:33 - You're a bicyclist, right?
02:36:34 You're an avid bicyclist?
02:36:36 - I love biking.
02:36:37 - So me and you, we actually have a little connection here.
02:36:39 You lost your bike when you went to Hawaii.
02:36:42 You remember that?
02:36:43 - Oh, one of the worst, no, not one of,
02:36:46 the worst customer experience ever.
02:36:49 But I got it back.
02:36:50 - That's why we have Twitter accounts.
02:36:50 - Yeah, I saw you on Twitter and I called the resort.
02:36:53 I called the resort for you.
02:36:55 - Thank you.
02:36:55 - And I was like, my friend Bill lost his bike.
02:36:58 You have to help him get it back.
02:36:59 So I essentially found your bike for you.
02:37:02 - PFT, you're my man.
02:37:04 Statue of Liberty, shining the light.
02:37:06 Big old one hand here.
02:37:07 Have you guys seen that picture
02:37:08 at the Bill Graham traveling exhibit?
02:37:10 Bill Graham, the guy who created the concert world experience
02:37:14 that we have today.
02:37:15 I was at Desert Trip.
02:37:16 How about you guys?
02:37:17 It was over the top.
02:37:18 - You have become somewhat of a viral phenomenon with--
02:37:23 - What is, I have a, I'm a virus now?
02:37:26 - No, viral.
02:37:27 - Yeah, so you--
02:37:29 - I just had viral pneumonia, it was the worst.
02:37:32 - Let's put it this way.
02:37:33 You are wholly unique in the way you announce games
02:37:36 and you do your color play with Dave Pash.
02:37:39 - Who?
02:37:39 - Are there moments where you--
02:37:42 - Who's the guy you mentioned?
02:37:43 - Your co-host.
02:37:45 - What's his name?
02:37:47 - Is it not Dave Pash?
02:37:49 - I don't know.
02:37:49 - He's messing with you big guy, Dave Pash.
02:37:50 - Okay, he's messed, he screwed up the name before.
02:37:53 - Oh, now we're gonna deflect it onto Dave.
02:37:55 - No, but that's why, now I'm name conscious.
02:37:57 - Good radio.
02:37:58 - So you're Big Cat.
02:37:59 - I'm Bill with two L's versus BFT.
02:38:01 - You nailed it.
02:38:02 - Pure fine and talented.
02:38:03 - So when you go on, when you go off
02:38:06 in the middle of the broadcast,
02:38:07 do you ever get lost in your own mind
02:38:10 and you almost forget where you are?
02:38:13 - I get lost all the time.
02:38:15 And it's--
02:38:16 - It's unbelievable to listen to.
02:38:18 Like people love to listen to it.
02:38:19 It's late night on the East Coast.
02:38:21 - It's fun to get lost.
02:38:25 And it's important to get lost.
02:38:27 But getting lost, that implies
02:38:32 that I know where I am to begin with.
02:38:35 And that's a giant leap of faith right there.
02:38:41 But I love education, I love knowledge,
02:38:45 I love science, I love facts, I love politics,
02:38:48 I love music.
02:38:50 I was just upstairs before I came down here
02:38:54 and I woke up at the crack of dawn.
02:38:56 I was up late last night working
02:38:58 and I woke up at the crack of dawn
02:39:00 knowing that I had a chance to be on this special show.
02:39:05 And so as I'm clearing my life
02:39:08 and trying to wash away the sins,
02:39:11 trying to cleanse the stains of my life
02:39:15 and try to come down here and be able to shine that light,
02:39:18 because as that light comes in, you can't keep it.
02:39:22 Your job, your duty is to reflect it.
02:39:25 And so I put on my iTunes and I found John Fogerty
02:39:30 and he was singing and he had guys singing with him.
02:39:35 And it was just over the top
02:39:37 and it took me back to a new place.
02:39:40 - Saw a sound bite the other,
02:39:41 or heard a sound bite the other day
02:39:42 of you saying that there's a lot of synchronicity
02:39:45 between the NBA and your favorite band, The Grateful Dead.
02:39:48 - Yeah, it's not just the NBA, it's basketball.
02:39:50 - Basketball and-- - It's sport.
02:39:51 - So I wanna play--
02:39:53 - Basketball more than any other sport.
02:39:55 See the other sports, you're standing around.
02:39:58 Cycling, I like speed.
02:40:00 I'm a speed freak, I wanna keep going.
02:40:02 Drush, it's a drug, it makes you high.
02:40:05 - Cycling's rush.
02:40:07 - Kind of progressive rock.
02:40:08 But it makes you so high when you're riding your bike.
02:40:12 You see those mountains over there?
02:40:13 When you're riding your bike straight up those mountains,
02:40:15 that makes you so high.
02:40:16 When you're playing basketball
02:40:17 and there's 20,000 people there yelling and screaming,
02:40:19 even if there's no people there.
02:40:21 It's the greatest thing in the world
02:40:22 'cause you're moving and you're doing something
02:40:24 and you can make a positive contribution
02:40:25 on every single play.
02:40:26 These other sports, they just stand around.
02:40:28 - Right. - 'Cause they wait,
02:40:29 they stop all the time, I hate that.
02:40:31 - Yeah, I wanna play a quick game with you in that vein.
02:40:34 - Who's the ref?
02:40:35 - I'm gonna name four NBA teams
02:40:37 and you tell me which Grateful Dead song matches up best
02:40:40 with that as a soundtrack.
02:40:41 - Let me just say that I am not good
02:40:46 at thinking on my feet.
02:40:47 - I'll help you. - I would disagree with that.
02:40:49 - I'll help you. - I'm not good
02:40:49 at thinking on my feet.
02:40:51 And so the answers I'm gonna give now--
02:40:53 - They're no wrong answers.
02:40:54 - What's your favorite Grateful Dead year, by the way,
02:40:55 before we start this game?
02:40:56 - This year. - Okay.
02:40:57 The next one, yeah.
02:40:59 - It's like, first of all, it's all one song.
02:41:02 I remember it, we were there.
02:41:03 It was at Pauly Pavilion, right?
02:41:06 - Life is just one long song, right?
02:41:07 - Right, it's a different versus.
02:41:09 So just wait a second, let me tell this story real quick.
02:41:11 We're at Pauly Pavilion, right?
02:41:13 And the Grateful Dead, every year we're at UCLA,
02:41:15 the Grateful Dead would come and play at Pauly Pavilion.
02:41:18 I didn't know 'em at the time, I was too shy.
02:41:19 I had opportunities to meet 'em.
02:41:21 I became a fan when I went to my first Dead show
02:41:23 when I was 15, 1967, Summer of Love.
02:41:26 It was just incredibly great.
02:41:28 And so my life was never the same again.
02:41:31 But then over the years, there was always
02:41:34 these opportunities to meet 'em, but I was just too shy
02:41:36 and I couldn't talk.
02:41:37 And I just, so I just, I was a very,
02:41:40 I was very much of a loner as a person.
02:41:43 On the stage, on the court, it was fantastic.
02:41:47 The light's all shining on me.
02:41:48 Otherwise, I'm heading back to my hotel room,
02:41:50 I'm going to the library, I'm gonna read a book,
02:41:52 I'm gonna go to the beach by myself,
02:41:53 I'm gonna just be by myself.
02:41:56 And so, but that changed when I learned how to speak.
02:42:00 Anyway, so Coach Wooden, when the Grateful Dead
02:42:03 would come and play at Pauly Pavilion,
02:42:05 they would use our locker rooms as their dressing room.
02:42:07 And Coach Wooden would come in the next day.
02:42:09 - And still smell.
02:42:10 - And he'd say, "What's that smell?"
02:42:12 I said, "Nothing, Coach, there's nothing to see here."
02:42:14 And so--
02:42:14 - Incense.
02:42:15 - And we were out in the audience.
02:42:18 We were out in the audience, one of these shows
02:42:20 at Pauly Pavilion, and the Grateful Dead
02:42:24 were just all over the place.
02:42:26 Just one of those spectacular, ricocheting journeys
02:42:29 through the universe, right?
02:42:30 Where you're bouncing off Pluto and Mars
02:42:32 and going into other solar systems.
02:42:34 And it's just like, wow, let's go.
02:42:37 And then they would come back and go out and come back.
02:42:40 And somebody in the crowd said, "Wow, hey,
02:42:43 "you know, they already played that song."
02:42:45 And somebody else said, "Hey, man, it's all one song."
02:42:50 - That would blow my mind right there.
02:42:51 - Love it.
02:42:52 - That's an all-time moment.
02:42:53 - That's one you might never--
02:42:54 - That's the kind of stuff that happens in my life every day.
02:42:56 - That sounds amazing.
02:42:57 - Every day.
02:42:58 - We're gonna play a quick game.
02:43:00 I'm gonna name an NBA team, and you're gonna tell me
02:43:02 which Grateful Dead song it might be.
02:43:03 - Okay, I'll try.
02:43:04 But bear in mind that for the people listening at home,
02:43:08 and the people keeping score at home,
02:43:09 if you write these answers down,
02:43:12 tomorrow there might be different hits.
02:43:13 - Yeah, it's just a tap into your brain.
02:43:15 - Okay.
02:43:16 - Right at this very moment.
02:43:17 - Okay.
02:43:17 - 'Cause that's one of the problems.
02:43:18 That's one of the problems in my life.
02:43:20 - The test is always changing.
02:43:21 - Right, the test, the answers change,
02:43:23 the questions change, and I love that.
02:43:26 - Yeah, okay, so first one, we'll go,
02:43:28 we'll make an easy one, San Antonio Spurs.
02:43:30 I'm gonna play this game with you.
02:43:34 - Yeah, okay, San Antonio Spurs, okay.
02:43:36 - Touch of gray, nope.
02:43:38 - I love Greg Popovich.
02:43:40 That guy is awesome.
02:43:42 And I don't know if you know Peter Holt's story,
02:43:45 the owner of the team, that guy.
02:43:47 Do we have time to tell this story?
02:43:48 - Yeah, of course, we have as much time as you want.
02:43:50 We have nowhere to go.
02:43:51 - Okay, so Peter, you know, you talk about the song,
02:43:55 you talk about the sustainability,
02:43:59 and the dream, and something special.
02:44:01 I mean, this franchise was just floundering.
02:44:04 They were gonna fold, they had nothing going on.
02:44:07 Peter Holt, he is an heir to the Caterpillar Tractor family.
02:44:13 Right, he's, you know, at the top.
02:44:16 And so Peter, somehow, some way,
02:44:19 he ends up in Vietnam, in the fight.
02:44:24 And, you know, don't ever let anybody tell you
02:44:26 that Vietnam was fun, or that Vietnam was good.
02:44:29 It was the epitome of evil, and selfishness,
02:44:32 and greed, and crony capitalism, and war profiteering.
02:44:35 And just, all the worst of the worst, that was Vietnam.
02:44:41 And so Peter, fortunately for him, he survives.
02:44:46 He comes back, and ends up in San Francisco,
02:44:49 as so many people did.
02:44:51 And California, meet me on the burning shore,
02:44:54 the promised land, just knocking on heaven's door.
02:44:57 I mean, Peter goes there,
02:44:58 and his life is never the same again.
02:45:02 And so, but he loses a lot, if not everything,
02:45:06 including his family connections.
02:45:09 'Cause the family basically just cut him out.
02:45:13 And he was just out on his own.
02:45:15 So Peter, like Marty Glickman,
02:45:17 when he had his challenges, and his problems,
02:45:20 like so many of us try to do,
02:45:22 Peter was able to get back up.
02:45:24 And he got back up, and started over again,
02:45:28 and he took, and this is the ultimate challenge in life.
02:45:32 And this is what I've tried to do many times.
02:45:37 By taking the worst things that ever happened to you,
02:45:40 and make them into the best things
02:45:43 that ever happened to you.
02:45:44 When my spine failed, February 24th, 2008.
02:45:49 And I went from the top,
02:45:52 even though I had been slowly debilitating physically,
02:45:57 and I was getting worse, and worse, and worse.
02:45:59 But it was on February 24th, 2008,
02:46:01 that I got off the plane, and could no longer move.
02:46:05 And I spent the next four and a half years
02:46:09 trying to get back up, and trying to go.
02:46:12 And I tried everything.
02:46:14 And I did not understand the concept of everything
02:46:17 until my spine failed.
02:46:18 I thought I knew a lot of stuff.
02:46:20 But when your spine fails, and you're lying on that ground,
02:46:23 and you would just rather be dead.
02:46:26 That was me.
02:46:27 If I had a gun, I would've used it.
02:46:28 There was no reason for me to ever think
02:46:30 that I was gonna get better, that I had a chance.
02:46:33 But I am all better now.
02:46:35 And so, during that time, I got fired from my job,
02:46:39 lost my health insurance, lost everything,
02:46:42 my dignity, self-respect.
02:46:43 I had lost everything.
02:46:44 And just lying on the ground, nothing I could do about it.
02:46:47 But now here I am.
02:46:49 That's nine years ago.
02:46:53 And so, I have been able to learn this time,
02:46:58 and take it back to the other times,
02:47:00 where my ankle fusions, knee replacements,
02:47:02 all that kind of stuff, and personal failures,
02:47:05 financial failures.
02:47:06 But to learn to take those failures,
02:47:08 and turn it around to where it becomes
02:47:11 the best thing in your life.
02:47:12 And that's what Peter Holt did.
02:47:14 And he climbed back up, he got back in,
02:47:17 and he bought the San Antonio Spurs.
02:47:20 And he has created this culture.
02:47:22 This culture of excellence, a culture of success,
02:47:26 a culture of genius.
02:47:30 And that's what I wanna be a part of in my life.
02:47:33 I don't wanna be a part of negativity.
02:47:35 I don't wanna be a part of intimidation.
02:47:38 I don't wanna be a part of anger.
02:47:39 I wanna be a part of joy, of happiness.
02:47:43 And so, as we think of the song, you said, "Touch of Gray."
02:47:46 I mean, I don't know.
02:47:47 I can't think quickly enough to think.
02:47:49 - I'm gonna go with Truckin'.
02:47:50 - Truckin'?
02:47:51 - Because of the owner, and also the Spurs.
02:47:52 Every year, they're there.
02:47:53 - They're all good.
02:47:54 - They just keep on going.
02:47:55 - They're all good.
02:47:56 - Yeah.
02:47:57 - Okay, what was your question, PFT?
02:47:58 - Lakers, now we'll do the Lakers.
02:48:00 - Ooh.
02:48:00 - Ooh.
02:48:01 - A little close to home for you.
02:48:03 - No, I--
02:48:03 - Do you think Magic was the right hire?
02:48:05 - Absolutely, we love Magic.
02:48:06 - Okay.
02:48:07 - Everything Magic does is fantastic.
02:48:08 You know, Magic is, you know,
02:48:09 he's one of those rare beacons of hope.
02:48:13 I mean, look, come on, they told Magic he was gonna die,
02:48:15 and now look at him.
02:48:16 - Right.
02:48:17 - He's just like, Magic is perfect.
02:48:18 And you talk to David Stern.
02:48:20 And David Stern, all the things he's done in his life,
02:48:22 said the best thing he ever did was with Magic Johnson.
02:48:26 When Magic Johnson went and played
02:48:28 in that 1992 All-Star game.
02:48:30 Dick Enberg, our college broadcaster,
02:48:32 one of my best friends, Dick Enberg called that game.
02:48:35 And Don Nelson coached that game,
02:48:38 and Magic went out there, it just was fantastic,
02:48:40 and what he's done.
02:48:41 And, okay, so I love Magic Johnson.
02:48:45 But the Lakers, and a great, see,
02:48:47 you guys are, I'm not sure you guys are deadheads.
02:48:50 - I am, I don't, PFT is not.
02:48:53 - Right, well, no.
02:48:54 - As much, he appreciates that.
02:48:55 - Right, well, see, like, being a deadhead
02:48:56 is a personal choice.
02:48:57 - Right.
02:48:58 - And, you know, when I first went,
02:48:59 I had listened, I had heard him on the radio,
02:49:02 and the DJ, he was the one that prompted me to go.
02:49:06 It was Gabriel Wisdom, it was 1967.
02:49:08 And he said, "Hey, man, there's a new band,
02:49:09 "they're gonna have a concert, let's go."
02:49:11 Everybody got in free, and it was fantastic.
02:49:14 And I got to the front of the stage,
02:49:15 and just happiness, and joy, and love, and peace,
02:49:18 and, you know, singing Uncle John's band.
02:49:21 The first days are the hardest days,
02:49:23 don't you worry about it, no.
02:49:25 When life looks like Easy Street,
02:49:28 there's danger at your door.
02:49:30 What I want to know is, are you kind,
02:49:33 and will you come with me?
02:49:35 Come hear Uncle John's band.
02:49:38 - There we go, I love it.
02:49:39 - That's the Lakers.
02:49:41 - So, for me, my love for the Grateful Dead
02:49:45 has always been, like, I'll float around,
02:49:48 and listen to other music, and like other music,
02:49:50 but whenever I turn on, whenever I put in,
02:49:53 you know, a Grateful Dead concert,
02:49:54 or Dick's Picks when it was back, when it was CDs,
02:49:58 there's just something different,
02:50:00 you know what I mean?
02:50:01 It just feels different than all other music
02:50:03 that you're listening to.
02:50:04 - There's nothing like a Grateful Dead,
02:50:06 there's nothing like a Grateful Dead concert.
02:50:08 Bill Graham said it best.
02:50:10 The Grateful Dead, they're not the best at what they do,
02:50:13 they're the only ones that do what they do.
02:50:14 You talked about Dick's Picks, so you know Dick Lafala.
02:50:17 - Yeah. - Okay.
02:50:18 So let me tell you how this works,
02:50:19 'cause, you know, I'm not sure, how old are you?
02:50:21 Are you 19? - I'm 32.
02:50:23 - No way. - Yeah.
02:50:24 - See the gray hairs?
02:50:25 By the way, do you hate Donna?
02:50:27 - Who? - Donna Gacha.
02:50:28 - I love Donna. - Come on.
02:50:31 Be honest.
02:50:32 - I love Donna.
02:50:34 Please. - Okay.
02:50:35 - No time to hate.
02:50:36 - Okay, all right.
02:50:37 - It's barely time to hate. - All right, all right.
02:50:40 - Okay. - Please.
02:50:41 - I'm not a Donna fan, if you couldn't tell.
02:50:43 - He'll listen to your wine one time, Big Cat,
02:50:44 but next time-- - I thought she,
02:50:46 I'm not a Donna. - Donna is an angel of mercy.
02:50:48 - Brent Midland was my favorite.
02:50:49 - Brent Midland is fantastic.
02:50:51 I wish they would play his songs again,
02:50:53 they don't play 'em anymore and I'm just sad
02:50:54 'cause I love those songs.
02:50:56 But let me tell you the story of Dick Lotfield
02:50:58 and this is sort of how this whole life works.
02:51:02 - That was actually, by the way,
02:51:03 the first time you didn't smile in the entire interview
02:51:05 was when I bashed Donna.
02:51:07 - No, I'm standing up for Donna.
02:51:08 - Yeah, I know, I appreciate that.
02:51:10 - I love Donna. - That's a ride or die guy.
02:51:12 - And as soon as they turn this camera off,
02:51:13 I'm gonna punch you in the face.
02:51:14 (laughing)
02:51:17 So we're on tour with the dead and we're up at Red Rocks.
02:51:21 And I think it was the '80s, I'm not sure.
02:51:22 Somebody will know.
02:51:23 Red Rocks, fantastic, three nights in a row
02:51:28 and everybody's there, camping, parties, hotels, let's go.
02:51:32 Just having the time of our lives.
02:51:34 Show starts first night, bam, the heavens explode,
02:51:38 thunder, lightning, just torrential, historic,
02:51:42 epic, monumental rain, right?
02:51:44 Just pounding all night long.
02:51:46 And with the fans, they all just stayed.
02:51:51 Not a one left and it was the Grateful Dead
02:51:53 and it was just better than perfect.
02:51:55 And what we live for, it was our team, it was our guys,
02:51:57 it was our leaders, it was our beacons
02:51:59 and let's go to the promised land and let's celebrate.
02:52:02 But it just rained, all just floods, water, rivers
02:52:07 coming right down through the Red Rocks Amphitheater Bowl
02:52:10 there, this phenomenal place.
02:52:12 And so everybody, the concert's over and everybody goes back
02:52:15 and they're looking at the weather report
02:52:17 and talking to the guys and the police and everything.
02:52:20 And they just said, look, this rain's gonna keep going
02:52:22 for the next three days.
02:52:23 And so two or three o'clock in the morning,
02:52:25 band makes the decision, look, let's cancel Red Rocks
02:52:30 and move the whole show downtown to McNichols Arena,
02:52:33 which was the NBA arena at the time.
02:52:35 And so everybody in the middle of the night gets up,
02:52:40 drives back out to Red Rocks, works all night
02:52:43 through the dawn, tearing everything.
02:52:45 Grateful Dead, that's a big production, that's a big show.
02:52:49 And tons of equipment, tons of lighting, everything.
02:52:52 Work all day, tear it down, drive it down into town,
02:52:56 set it up at McNichols.
02:52:58 And at the announced starting time, they were ready.
02:53:02 And they come out on the, and it just,
02:53:04 but everybody's beat, everybody's dead tired
02:53:07 and all the deadheads were all still wet
02:53:09 from the night before.
02:53:11 But the music starts up and the joy and the happiness
02:53:14 and the rainbows and the people and the smiles
02:53:17 and the love and the spinners and just everything
02:53:20 is just fantastic, right?
02:53:22 So I'm just cruising through the whole arena,
02:53:24 just listening to the music play and riding the wave
02:53:27 and just having the time of my life
02:53:29 as they're just going through, again, ricocheting
02:53:31 off the comets and the stars and the planets
02:53:34 and the universe, whichever one we're in that night.
02:53:37 And I come around this corner and there's this guy.
02:53:40 Looks a lot like you, Big Cat.
02:53:44 And he's walking right toward me,
02:53:45 he's got these dazed, glazed eyes
02:53:48 and he's just like fierce and intense.
02:53:50 And I can just feel it, I can see it.
02:53:52 - Sweaty man. - Sweaty.
02:53:53 - And I'm sweaty and I look at him.
02:53:56 - Powerful, handsome.
02:53:57 - I look at him and he has got this shirt on.
02:54:02 And I stop, we come face to face, so we stop
02:54:05 and I look at him and I said,
02:54:07 "That is the coolest shirt I've ever seen in my life."
02:54:11 This was like an airbrushed history of the world
02:54:15 through the prism of the Grateful Dead.
02:54:18 Pyramids and exploding bus stops, rainbow,
02:54:22 serpents coming out and it was just as wild a shirt
02:54:26 as you could possibly imagine.
02:54:27 I said, "That's the coolest shirt I've ever seen."
02:54:29 I had no idea who he was.
02:54:31 He just looks at me, doesn't say a word
02:54:33 and rips off his shirt and gives it to me.
02:54:37 And then he just goes on his way, riding another wave.
02:54:38 - Was he also seven feet tall?
02:54:40 - Did he fit? - No, no.
02:54:41 He was like a little short guy like Big Cat.
02:54:44 And so the night goes on and I put the shirt on, right?
02:54:49 And I'm wearing the shirt.
02:54:50 And it was a fantastic shirt.
02:54:52 People were talking all night long about my shirt
02:54:56 and the show's over.
02:54:58 And so now we're all leaving, we're down the stage,
02:55:02 out the back door, through the gauntlet,
02:55:04 all the fans reaching and grabbing
02:55:06 and trying to get all the autographs and take the pictures
02:55:08 and the vans are waiting right there
02:55:09 and we're getting in the vans.
02:55:11 And I look over and there's that guy
02:55:14 who gave me the shirt.
02:55:15 And he's standing on the front of the rail,
02:55:17 reaching in, looking, still with no shirt on.
02:55:21 - Yes.
02:55:22 - And I look at him and I said, "You're coming with us."
02:55:26 And so I picked him up by the back of the neck
02:55:28 and lifted him up over the barrier,
02:55:30 threw him in the van and says, "Let's go."
02:55:33 We got back to the hotel.
02:55:35 I introduced him to everybody all around.
02:55:36 They looked at my shirt and said,
02:55:37 "Oh my God, that's the coolest shirt ever, Bill."
02:55:40 And they hired him on the spot.
02:55:41 That was Dick Latvula and he went on--
02:55:43 - Shut up.
02:55:44 - To become the curator of the vault.
02:55:47 - Wow, that's amazing.
02:55:49 - Wow. - You never know.
02:55:50 - So people who don't know, Dick,
02:55:52 he basically was the librarian
02:55:54 for all of Grateful Dead's music.
02:55:56 - And his job was to sit in the vault all day long
02:55:59 and listen to all the old concerts
02:56:01 and decide which ones were good enough
02:56:03 to put out as re-releases.
02:56:05 - Sometimes the universe just kind of works together.
02:56:07 - I don't believe that.
02:56:08 - That's the way all of our universe works.
02:56:10 We just have to keep our eyes open
02:56:13 and we just have to keep our shoulders back
02:56:16 and our heads up.
02:56:17 - That's also the most Grateful Dead story ever
02:56:19 'cause they basically pick the highest guy in the world
02:56:22 to listen to all their music.
02:56:23 - No, no, no, no, no.
02:56:25 That's the way it always works in Grateful Dead.
02:56:28 I promise.
02:56:29 Pain is no good and don't ever discount pain
02:56:31 'cause the challenge in life is to get out of pain.
02:56:36 - Gotcha.
02:56:37 - No.
02:56:38 - We're busy in here, please.
02:56:39 I'm with PFT and Big Cat.
02:56:42 - Housekeeping's trying to get in.
02:56:43 Yeah.
02:56:44 - They're breaking into our room here.
02:56:45 - Okay, we have Forces of Evil.
02:56:46 - Forces of Evil.
02:56:47 - Let's do another team.
02:56:49 - Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
02:56:50 - This is great because I mean it's like team.
02:56:52 - We'll jump back.
02:56:53 - When we get a story,
02:56:54 which is exactly what we wanted this interview to be.
02:56:56 - No thank you.
02:56:57 - No thank you.
02:56:58 - We're busy.
02:56:59 - Force of Evil.
02:57:00 - A gift.
02:57:02 - A gift.
02:57:03 - A gift.
02:57:04 - All right, well let's see what the gift is.
02:57:05 Hank is gonna go check it out.
02:57:07 By the way, have you ever--
02:57:08 - Please have the security forces check this, please.
02:57:11 These Forces of Evil, they get at you
02:57:13 in lots of different ways.
02:57:14 - What do we got?
02:57:15 - Oh, it's a can of beer nuts.
02:57:20 Let's open it up.
02:57:21 I'm sure there's no snakes in it.
02:57:22 - Do you and Dave Pasch ever have a talk
02:57:23 about the fact that he doesn't believe in evolution?
02:57:25 - Thank you.
02:57:28 - I had to wait 'til a gift came in
02:57:30 to ask you the hard question.
02:57:30 - Oh my gosh.
02:57:31 - Do you have that conversation with him ever?
02:57:32 - Is it a bottle of champagne just came in?
02:57:34 - I love discourse.
02:57:36 - Okay.
02:57:37 - Yeah, same.
02:57:38 - I love--
02:57:38 - Oh, I meant intercourse, but yeah, discourse.
02:57:40 - I love that too, yes.
02:57:43 I love my wife.
02:57:44 My wife is fantastic.
02:57:47 Can you imagine being married to me?
02:57:48 What'd they bring you guys?
02:57:49 A bottle of tequila, some chocolates and stuff?
02:57:52 Oh my gosh.
02:57:53 If you can't do it for breakfast,
02:57:55 you can't do it all day long, don't do it at all, guys.
02:57:57 - That's right.
02:57:58 - So do you talk to him at all
02:57:58 about the fact that he doesn't believe in evolution?
02:58:01 - No, no, no, man.
02:58:02 No, no, no.
02:58:03 - You've been to the Galapagos, right?
02:58:06 - Oh, one of the great trips ever.
02:58:09 - Yeah, you need to take him there.
02:58:11 - I didn't know him then, no.
02:58:12 He's young, he's very young.
02:58:14 He's very young.
02:58:15 Look, we're trying to bring people along.
02:58:20 We're trying to get, my job in life
02:58:25 is to be a human forklift and a human solar panel.
02:58:29 So--
02:58:30 - I'm a road grader.
02:58:31 - Wow.
02:58:32 - I'm more one of those traffic cones
02:58:34 that's kind of like got dirt on it
02:58:36 and everyone's like, that's the saddest traffic cone
02:58:37 you've ever seen.
02:58:38 - But think of the forklift.
02:58:40 A forklift picks things and people up
02:58:42 and puts them in a better place.
02:58:45 Think of it as a solar.
02:58:46 Solar energy is the biggest no-brainer
02:58:48 in the history of the world.
02:58:50 Are you kidding?
02:58:51 - Agreed.
02:58:52 - That's a power plant up there in the sky.
02:58:53 - So sunny up there.
02:58:53 - Right.
02:58:54 - More solar energy hits the earth every day.
02:58:58 - But now, let me stop you here.
02:59:00 - Every day.
02:59:00 - Don't whine, don't complain.
02:59:02 - You could do the sun or we could just go and--
02:59:04 - And burn coal.
02:59:05 - Start another war in the Middle East.
02:59:07 - Right, I'm choosing the sun.
02:59:08 - Okay, all right.
02:59:09 - I'm choosing solar power.
02:59:10 - Tomato, tomato here.
02:59:11 - Or we could start a new ice age,
02:59:13 kill all the humans and then dinosaurs come back,
02:59:16 then they die, then millions of years after that
02:59:18 we've got more oil.
02:59:19 - Yeah.
02:59:19 - And maybe Dave Pasch will believe in it.
02:59:21 - What kind of tripper are you guys?
02:59:22 - Yeah, we're good.
02:59:23 - You guys sound like Dave.
02:59:24 You guys love coal.
02:59:25 - I actually read a story yesterday in the New York Times.
02:59:28 - About what?
02:59:29 - I think that you would enjoy it.
02:59:30 It's about the Galapagos,
02:59:32 which is one of my favorite places on Earth.
02:59:33 - You've been there?
02:59:34 - Yeah, I've been there.
02:59:35 Had just the best time ever.
02:59:36 - Were the Engermeyers still alive when you were there?
02:59:37 - The Engermeyers.
02:59:39 - So the Engermeyers are five brothers who--
02:59:42 - I didn't meet the Engermeyers.
02:59:43 - I was gonna say the Engermeyers are five brothers
02:59:46 in the early 1930s in Germany.
02:59:49 And this was when Hitler was just coming up.
02:59:53 And if you haven't read Eric Larson's
02:59:56 In the Garden of Beasts, please, make that.
03:00:00 We've talked about a number of books here,
03:00:03 but that book right now today is critical.
03:00:06 But all the books I've mentioned today are critical.
03:00:09 And anyway, their parents, the Engermeyer's parents,
03:00:13 saw what was happening.
03:00:14 They were Jewish.
03:00:16 And they saw, so they put their children on a boat,
03:00:19 knowing that they would never see their children again.
03:00:24 And the boys, they ended up in the Galapagos.
03:00:27 - Jeez.
03:00:28 - In the '30s.
03:00:30 - What island were they on?
03:00:32 - The main, I forget the name.
03:00:33 It's the main island, Porta Ajorda.
03:00:35 Is that the name of the town?
03:00:36 - There's--
03:00:36 - What's the name of the--
03:00:37 - There's San Cristobal.
03:00:38 There's Santa Cruz. - What's the name of the town
03:00:39 in Porta Ajorda, right?
03:00:41 Where the harbor is and the town.
03:00:44 Anyway, this was a phenomenal trip.
03:00:48 Oh my gosh, it was one of the...
03:00:52 I could easily make the argument
03:00:55 that certain days on that trip
03:00:58 was the greatest single day of my life.
03:01:04 I could make the argument that that trip
03:01:06 was the greatest single moment of my life.
03:01:09 But then there's all these other things
03:01:11 that have happened too.
03:01:12 They just keep coming.
03:01:13 And so what I've learned over the course
03:01:14 of these now 64 years, never rank, rate, or compare.
03:01:18 - That's what I tell my girlfriends all the time.
03:01:21 - Championships, concerts.
03:01:25 Children, coaches, or congratulations.
03:01:30 Just enjoy them all.
03:01:32 - What about teams?
03:01:32 Like could--
03:01:33 - Teams, oh.
03:01:34 - Could UConn women's basketball beat the 76ers?
03:01:37 - I love what they're doing.
03:01:39 No, no they couldn't.
03:01:41 - Well you're not supposed to compare.
03:01:42 You're not supposed to compare things.
03:01:43 - You never answered what the best team
03:01:45 you ever played on was.
03:01:47 - Any team that won the championship.
03:01:49 That's what I played for.
03:01:50 Bill Russell was my hero.
03:01:52 I played to win.
03:01:53 I didn't play for personal glory.
03:01:55 I didn't play for--
03:01:57 - What was the most fun team you ever played on?
03:02:00 - It's all, when you win the championship.
03:02:01 - It's right.
03:02:02 - That's fun.
03:02:03 - It's interesting because you--
03:02:04 - And when you lose it's like, that's the worst.
03:02:07 - Well you taught us a lesson today.
03:02:09 - That's because--
03:02:10 - A lot of lessons.
03:02:11 - Well no.
03:02:12 - I told you what not to do.
03:02:12 - No, no, no, no.
03:02:13 This is an important lesson.
03:02:14 Because the way we do this show,
03:02:17 you know we'll game plan our guests.
03:02:19 And we'll try to steer them different ways.
03:02:21 And I think today's interview taught us
03:02:24 that you gotta let the guest
03:02:26 talk about what they wanna talk about.
03:02:28 Because this was one of the most interesting interviews
03:02:30 we've done and we didn't steer,
03:02:32 well I didn't even look at my pad once.
03:02:34 - Coach Wooden, that's the antithesis
03:02:37 of what Coach Wooden was like.
03:02:39 Because Coach Wooden, he never started practice
03:02:42 with these words, never.
03:02:44 What do you guys wanna do today?
03:02:46 - Right, right, right.
03:02:48 Well in basketball you need a coach
03:02:50 and the coach can't--
03:02:51 - Structure, organization, discipline, focus,
03:02:55 platform, and that's where the sacrifice comes in.
03:02:58 And the discipline.
03:02:59 Because to be a part of a group,
03:03:01 you gotta realize, okay now what's the goal here?
03:03:04 Hopefully we achieve something here today.
03:03:08 - Yeah, absolutely.
03:03:09 - Yes, absolutely.
03:03:09 - I had a great time, thank you for stopping by.
03:03:11 - PFT, big cat, there we go.
03:03:13 I'm Bill, two L's from San Diego.
03:03:14 - I'll have to tell you about the Galapagos story
03:03:18 in the New York Times some other time.
03:03:19 But I think you'll really enjoy it.
03:03:21 I saw you talking about the Banff Buffaloes, right?
03:03:24 The bison?
03:03:25 - Oh yeah, I love buffaloes.
03:03:26 I can't believe, I'm reading this book right now,
03:03:29 Peter Cousins, The Earth is Weeping.
03:03:32 Oh my God, it's the story of the Indian Wars
03:03:35 in the latter half of the 19th century.
03:03:38 Oh, it is just the most tragic story.
03:03:41 We're right back there again.
03:03:42 And they're still making these pipelines.
03:03:44 Come on, solar energy, the biggest no-brainer
03:03:46 in the history of the world.
03:03:48 - Do it.
03:03:49 - Don't think about the past.
03:03:50 Learn from the past, learn from our mistakes in the past.
03:03:53 Quit burning coal, let's move forward.
03:03:55 Solar energy, wind power, hydroelectricity,
03:03:59 let's go, geothermal.
03:04:01 - One last question, I did write this down earlier,
03:04:03 I just remembered it.
03:04:04 Have you ever found Bobby Jackson?
03:04:05 - Bobby Jackson, I know a bunch of Bobby Jacksons.
03:04:10 - During that King series, you were like,
03:04:12 where is Bobby Jackson?
03:04:14 Where is Bobby Jackson?
03:04:16 - Oh, that Bobby Jackson.
03:04:17 - Sixth man of the year.
03:04:18 - I do love when you do that,
03:04:19 when someone disappears on the court
03:04:21 and you just start saying, where is this person?
03:04:23 When they stop playing well.
03:04:25 - So, you're familiar with the pyramid of success?
03:04:29 - Yes.
03:04:30 - Yeah.
03:04:31 - Okay, so there's 15 human values.
03:04:32 - Do they store grain in that pyramid too?
03:04:34 - No, they store love, they store happiness.
03:04:38 They store knowledge, which is--
03:04:42 - Power.
03:04:43 - An ephemeral being of stuff.
03:04:48 - Did you just call us chicks?
03:04:50 - No.
03:04:51 - Ephemeral?
03:04:52 - No.
03:04:53 - I'm just kidding, it's a joke.
03:04:54 - I told you, I'm not good at thinking on my feet here.
03:04:56 You guys are--
03:04:57 - You are, you don't give yourself enough credit.
03:05:00 - You guys are scrambling in my brain.
03:05:01 - You don't give yourself enough credit.
03:05:02 - You guys are trying to join in
03:05:04 with those forces of evil.
03:05:05 So anyway, the pyramid of success, 15 words.
03:05:09 Human values and personal attributes
03:05:12 and characteristics of your soul, of your being.
03:05:15 And they are industriousness, enthusiasm,
03:05:20 friendship, loyalty, cooperation,
03:05:22 intentness, initiative, alertness, self-control,
03:05:25 physical fitness, skill development,
03:05:27 commitment to the team, poise, confidence,
03:05:30 and the very top block, competitive greatness.
03:05:35 Be at your best when your best is needed.
03:05:40 Where is Bobby Jacks?
03:05:42 - There we go, that's a perfect ending.
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