Husband Dies, Shown Past Lives, Hidden Heavens & Life's Purpose
Jul 5, 2024
On Tales of Resilience Sabrina interviews Heather Giamboi about the secret spiritual training she received, and her deceased husband's meetings with her on the other side. She shares past lives on Earth and other planets, hidden levels of heaven and life's purpose. The video version of the interview will be available later seen on Tales of Resilience.
On Tales of Resilience Sabrina interviews Heather Giamboi about the secret spiritual training she received, and her deceased husband's meetings with her on the other side. She shares past lives on Earth and other planets, hidden levels of heaven and life's purpose. The video version of the interview will be available later seen on Tales of Resilience.
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00:00:00I understand that you together with your husband, you were doing a lot of out-of-body travel.
00:00:17Yes.
00:00:18And that has impacted your relationship even after him passing.
00:00:24Yes, very much so.
00:00:28For 29 years, we both have studied out-of-body travel and also have taught an advanced form of out-of-body travel.
00:00:40Our relationship was deeply spiritual.
00:00:47Well, I had an out-of-body experience where once I was in a convention center,
00:00:53and there were thousands of people there,
00:00:56and I just filled myself with a tremendous amount of love and appreciation for each person there.
00:01:03It's sort of like I could sense beyond time the God spark in them, the spark of God,
00:01:09that they were so blessed to reach that point.
00:01:13And I was filling myself with love, and then all of a sudden I was shocked
00:01:18because I was hovering over 100 feet above on the ceiling like a bird.
00:01:25And I had this panoramic bird's-eye view all around of these thousands of people below,
00:01:32and I saw myself sitting in a chair, my physical body.
00:01:38But what was shocking, what kind of startled me was, I was a little shocked about this,
00:01:44was I noticed that above me were hovering these five, there were these five bodies.
00:01:50In my chair was my physical body, sitting way down there.
00:01:55Then above that was a light body that most people see when they have an NDE, near-death experience,
00:02:01and it was shimmering like light, but it looked, sort of resembled the physical body, like the same shape.
00:02:08And then above that was another body, was the causal body,
00:02:12which corresponds with the Akashic Records, past, present, and future.
00:02:16And then above that is the mental body, from the mental plane, with a heaven of mind.
00:02:22And then the etheric, which is the unconscious.
00:02:25Well, the mental and the etheric are sort of the same.
00:02:28And then it was me as pure soul, which, not really a body, but just like pure light and sound.
00:02:34And the moment I saw this, I was shocked.
00:02:37And then all of a sudden, have you ever seen those Russian dolls that fit in each other?
00:02:44Well, then what happened was, the bodies, they went one into the next, into the next,
00:02:48until, boom, I was sitting in my chair, and I was like, whoa.
00:02:53But the reason that I bring this up is because
00:02:57each of those bodies corresponds with a different level of heaven.
00:03:02And most people know about the astral body, but not everybody knows about those other bodies.
00:03:09And each body has different, you could say, senses.
00:03:15So the astral body, for example, someone who has a highly developed astral body will have clairvoyance.
00:03:21They can see what is invisible to the physical.
00:03:25They can hear on the astral level.
00:03:28So someone who's physically advanced has advanced physical senses,
00:03:32like with their sight, their hearing, their skills, but the astral too.
00:03:36But then the causal, when people have a developed causal body, then they can see the Akashic records.
00:03:42They have certain other skills.
00:03:44When they have a developed mental body, then they become someone like Einstein,
00:03:47who could access certain things on that level.
00:03:50And then the etheric body is the unconscious mind, which is even more advanced.
00:03:55And the soul, when we become awake in the senses of the soul,
00:04:01we have what's called knowingness,
00:04:03which is like a vision, it's like spiritual x-ray vision.
00:04:06It's different than intuition.
00:04:08It's like you're just there, and you just know.
00:04:12It's like an awareness, sort of thing.
00:04:15I just thought I'd share that to answer your question before.
00:04:21I love that.
00:04:23And tell me, how can we...
00:04:26So the way I can envision these different bodies, right,
00:04:31is I tend to think if I want to pick up a skill, say running or physics or whatever,
00:04:37I need to study it.
00:04:39So with these different bodies, can we become better and access all the benefits that you've mentioned
00:04:46by training, if it were, these different bodies?
00:04:50How would we even start to do that?
00:04:54Well, related to spirituality,
00:04:57just like when somebody becomes a teacher or a doctor or any profession,
00:05:05it takes years to train and to develop certain abilities and skills.
00:05:12Really, though, the goal is not to just have all these abilities and powers.
00:05:18The goal is jaiva-makti, which means spiritual freedom,
00:05:22and reaching self-realization and God-realization,
00:05:27to become masterful, mastered in it.
00:05:31And one of the things I should mention is that in the lower layers or levels of heaven,
00:05:39I think Ipi Mana could show a chart.
00:05:42In the lower layers or levels of heaven, like the astral plane,
00:05:47which is the plane where people have near-death experiences,
00:05:50or the causal plane where the Akashic records are,
00:05:54these levels of heaven are so beautiful and such a gift,
00:05:59like God is giving the person a gift.
00:06:01At the same time, most people don't know that these lower layers of heaven
00:06:07are the domain of the negative power and heavens of reincarnation,
00:06:12where souls get trapped.
00:06:15I had a student, we had a student, Alanji and I,
00:06:18had a student who shared that he had this inner out-of-body experience,
00:06:24where Divine Spirit, the Vardhan, showed him that he went through a past lives.
00:06:30All these bodies, like body after body after body.
00:06:33And he said that he was like, why was I shown that? It was horrible.
00:06:39And he said, I felt so lost, and I was going through all these reincarnations.
00:06:44And he said, why did I have that? Why was I shown that?
00:06:48And the master, my husband, said to him,
00:06:52he said, the reason that Divine Spirit showed you that
00:06:56was to help you realize how blessed you are,
00:07:00to have what you have spiritually.
00:07:03And then a few months later, he ended up leaving,
00:07:06because he had a spiritual test.
00:07:09And it was almost like he was being given this gift of seeing that
00:07:13to give him more of a chance to figure things out for himself.
00:07:19But tell me, you mentioned that some of the heaven realms
00:07:25where people go when they have NDEs
00:07:28are in hands of a negative power.
00:07:31And my question here, because I can almost see the comments
00:07:35that I sometimes receive on NDEs,
00:07:38is why? Is there a test to it?
00:07:43Or what is the purpose of this negative power
00:07:47having those planes and offering these experiences, if you will?
00:07:52And then, if we have one of those NDEs,
00:07:55one of those experiences, we feel love, we feel bliss,
00:07:59how do we know or how can we test it in the moment
00:08:03to understand if that experience is a positive for us
00:08:07or if it's a trap that we shouldn't go into?
00:08:11Well, every experience is a gift from God.
00:08:15But a lot of times people, it's like they take a stepping stone,
00:08:20but if they don't move further, then they get stuck.
00:08:23And that is an issue, that there is powerful illusion
00:08:28in the lower levels of layers of heaven.
00:08:31And one of the things is developing knowingness
00:08:35and developing certain spiritual abilities in out-of-body travel
00:08:39so that you can tell where you are.
00:08:42There are different ways of being able to know what plane you're on.
00:08:46Like for example, this is just an example,
00:08:50the astral plane, it has this brilliant white light,
00:08:54and the higher you go, the brighter the light,
00:08:57and it's subtle pink, and there's certain light and sound
00:09:02and vibration, consciousness.
00:09:04It's the plane of near-death experiences,
00:09:07it's the plane of paranormal,
00:09:10it has hells and heavens in it,
00:09:13and there are thousands and thousands of regions.
00:09:16And related to the negative power,
00:09:19the negative power, it exists because the lower worlds,
00:09:24when I say lower worlds, I mean lower layers of heaven,
00:09:28and universes, planets, and so forth,
00:09:31they're all a school for soul.
00:09:34And what it is, is God,
00:09:40I wish I could call it Hure,
00:09:43God wants souls to reach a certain level of readiness.
00:09:48You know, like a fruit that's unripe is green,
00:09:52and it wants a soul to be ripe for certain things.
00:09:57So because of that, it's sort of like the negative power
00:10:00is this gigantic filtration system,
00:10:02and it filters out any who are not ready
00:10:05to reach the upper levels or layers,
00:10:09self-realization and God-realization.
00:10:11So the negative power tests individuals
00:10:14to see what level they're ready for,
00:10:17and it's sort of like they have to care.
00:10:21One of the things that's pushed is the idea
00:10:24that you just have an experience and that's it,
00:10:27you don't have to do anything.
00:10:29It's sort of like the negative power tests souls
00:10:31to see what they are ready for.
00:10:36And when they pass certain tests,
00:10:39then they move on to higher levels of consciousness.
00:10:43And suffering and difficulty in dark ages,
00:10:47the negative power in dark ages,
00:10:50souls undergo suffering and difficulty,
00:10:53and it helps them to learn to appreciate the spiritual things.
00:10:58And then in the positive or golden ages,
00:11:02the negative power has a smiling face of light
00:11:06and world reform and positivity.
00:11:09And sometimes that can be even more powerful
00:11:12because it feels positive.
00:11:15So it's important to develop certain skills spiritually,
00:11:22to see through the illusion and the truth.
00:11:27Speaking of skills, tell me about how you started
00:11:30out of why you traveled together with your husband.
00:11:34Well, we had both been studying for decades.
00:11:39For me, I first started, I was a God seeker, a seeker.
00:11:45And when I was 17 years old,
00:11:48I went to an art college in New York City,
00:11:52and I was searching.
00:11:54I was reading from the college library 10 books a week
00:11:59and meeting with mentors in Manhattan.
00:12:03But everything I looked at, it just felt like
00:12:08there was some wisdom there, but there was something missing.
00:12:12And I couldn't figure out what it was,
00:12:15and finally I became frustrated,
00:12:17and I put my head on the dormitory wall,
00:12:19and I just started to cry.
00:12:21And I said, God, if there is a God,
00:12:24please show me a real teacher.
00:12:28Because I realized that maybe it wasn't even there,
00:12:32what I was looking for.
00:12:34And it was shortly after then I was guided to a new college.
00:12:39And I closed my eyes the first week I was there
00:12:43in the college library, and I closed my eyes and I said,
00:12:46what am I ready for now?
00:12:48And my hand felt like it was guided to a book.
00:12:52And I pulled the book out,
00:12:54and it was a book of what I practice now.
00:12:57But immediately I had this out-of-body experience
00:13:01where it was like the flash of this universe,
00:13:05this white universe that went on
00:13:07for thousands and thousands of miles endlessly,
00:13:11and a beautiful sound of heaven.
00:13:16And it was deep in these God worlds,
00:13:19deep in the pure positive God worlds,
00:13:22the heaven of God realization.
00:13:25And I was just, I was like, wow,
00:13:28this is what I've been looking for.
00:13:32And my husband, same thing with him,
00:13:35he studied 25 years this advanced form of out-of-body travel.
00:13:39And when we met, we had studied it for many years.
00:13:43But it was, we had a sort of matrix moment
00:13:47where we realized that we thought
00:13:49that we were on the highest path ever.
00:13:52And we had this, we kept seeing the movie Matrix
00:13:55over and over again.
00:13:57It was like divine spirit was revealing to us
00:14:00through that movie that we were about to have an experience
00:14:03that was like the Matrix, where we were going to be unplugged
00:14:06and realize that this spiritual path
00:14:09that we thought was the very highest in the universe,
00:14:11because we practice out-of-body travel to heaven,
00:14:14how could this not be the highest?
00:14:17That we were missing something.
00:14:20And so we had an experience,
00:14:23and met this master, this ancient one.
00:14:32When my husband first told me,
00:14:34he said, I found this master.
00:14:36I'm like, what are you talking about?
00:14:39You know, we were already studying with the highest teacher.
00:14:44I looked at him like he had three heads.
00:14:47And then I, it took a while
00:14:52before I actually became interested or less afraid.
00:14:56And when I finally became a part of it,
00:14:59the first, I think it was like the first day,
00:15:02the first day, I felt like I was trapped in reincarnation.
00:15:07And I was even talking to my Christian hairdresser saying,
00:15:10you know, I feel like I'm trapped in reincarnation.
00:15:13And he's looking at me like, yeah, sure.
00:15:19But the first day that I spoke to this master,
00:15:23I was shocked because he literally,
00:15:26I felt like he pulled me right out of these lower levels,
00:15:30the lower worlds, like the astral,
00:15:32and deep into the God worlds.
00:15:35And I felt like a tiny light bulb
00:15:38being plugged directly into the sun.
00:15:41It was overwhelming and beautiful,
00:15:45just beautiful, the sense of God's presence.
00:15:50And it was difficult because usually
00:15:53you don't jump up that many levels.
00:15:55It's not even, it's never done that way.
00:15:58But our lower bodies were like freaking out,
00:16:01like our emotional body,
00:16:02we were getting emotional about stupid things,
00:16:04like, oh, I forgot, I started, it was ridiculous.
00:16:08But it was a miracle in my life and in Alan's life.
00:16:14And it was like as soon as we got together,
00:16:17we immediately started to help each other
00:16:20to reach those goals, our spiritual goals.
00:16:23And that was when we found the master.
00:16:27So it was neat.
00:16:31And how can I imagine these more evolved realms of heaven
00:16:37compared to the lower ones?
00:16:41So what was the feeling that you had when you were there?
00:16:45Yes.
00:16:47Well, in the lower levels of heaven,
00:16:51how to describe this,
00:16:53it's almost like that saying,
00:16:55as above so below.
00:16:57Have you ever heard that saying?
00:17:00For instance, in the lower layers of heaven,
00:17:04you have some things that may resemble the God worlds,
00:17:08like there are oceans in the lower levels of heaven.
00:17:11There are beautiful, beautiful, beautiful light,
00:17:14like people in the lower layers of heaven
00:17:17will experience what feels like the presence of God
00:17:20at that level.
00:17:23But it's not the actual home of God.
00:17:27The home of God is deep in the God worlds.
00:17:30It's the ocean of love and mercy,
00:17:33which is like a vast ocean of light and sound.
00:17:37And what it is, is in the God worlds,
00:17:41it's sort of like the lower worlds are contained best,
00:17:44matter, energy, space, and time.
00:17:47But because it's so minute,
00:17:50the matter is so minute that it appears matterless.
00:17:54And the time, it's not fixed so much,
00:17:59so it appears timeless.
00:18:01And as you go higher and higher,
00:18:03there's less and less matter.
00:18:05So in the astral plane, there's some matter,
00:18:08but more spirit.
00:18:10And in the causal plane, there's even less matter,
00:18:13and even more spirit.
00:18:15But in the God worlds, what's different is that
00:18:19there's no illusion.
00:18:21It's just pure spirit.
00:18:23No matter, no energy, no time or space.
00:18:26It's just pure spirit.
00:18:29And you have a sense of knowingness,
00:18:31like omnipresence.
00:18:34It's sort of like soul is this spark of God,
00:18:37like a spark from God,
00:18:39and has the awareness and powers of God,
00:18:43and is destined to return to God.
00:18:46There's this sound that we ride in out-of-body travel
00:18:50on this returning wave home to God.
00:18:53And what makes the God worlds,
00:18:55the pure positive God worlds different,
00:18:58is they are beautiful, beautiful regions of light and sound.
00:19:03It's the light and sound of God,
00:19:04it's the voice of God,
00:19:06the way that it communicates with soul.
00:19:09And it is just beautiful universes of light and sound
00:19:15that they have no end.
00:19:19It's just like being in the presence of God
00:19:23and having access to this vast wisdom.
00:19:26But it's different,
00:19:27because in the lower worlds you have vast wisdom too.
00:19:30There's some people who have near-death experience,
00:19:32and they'll hover above the planet,
00:19:33and they'll be shown the lower universes and galaxies,
00:19:36or they'll be shown the Akashic records,
00:19:39and they're like,
00:19:40wow, look at all this wisdom,
00:19:42all of this understanding.
00:19:46The way to tell the difference is through knowingness,
00:19:50developing knowingness of soul,
00:19:53where it's like spiritual x-ray vision,
00:19:55you just know a soul.
00:19:57But people have to be very careful,
00:20:00because one of the biggest traps is,
00:20:03on the opposite side of the coin,
00:20:05one of the biggest traps is,
00:20:06when people develop a little bit of skill,
00:20:09or they have some out-of-body experiences,
00:20:11like they have an NDE,
00:20:12or they have OBEs,
00:20:15all of a sudden,
00:20:16or somebody reaches their third initiation in foreign car,
00:20:19all of a sudden they're having these wonderful experiences,
00:20:22and then they develop too much confidence,
00:20:25and believe that they have found everything,
00:20:28like, I'm done, I've found it,
00:20:30and then they don't move on to the higher levels,
00:20:32and they get trapped there,
00:20:34because of vanity or overconfidence.
00:20:37And then they start to argue,
00:20:39like argue with God or the masters,
00:20:41and they're like, I know better.
00:20:43It's another trap.
00:20:47But knowing this, you can kind of see through things.
00:20:52Yes, it makes a lot of sense,
00:20:54and I think when you said that people can fall into traps,
00:20:58because of vanity,
00:20:59it's almost like what we have in our current physical world, right?
00:21:04There's so much of that,
00:21:05and it's so easy to get a big head,
00:21:08and to let yourself just be guided by temptation,
00:21:12by ego,
00:21:14instead of really looking out for our soul.
00:21:17Yes, yes.
00:21:18That's why it's so important to be able to face things and be humble.
00:21:23For Alan, my husband and spirit and I,
00:21:27to be able to find the master,
00:21:29we had to face painful things,
00:21:31like, yeah, we reached a high point,
00:21:33but no, we don't know everything.
00:21:36We have to start over kindergarten style,
00:21:39and for a lot of people,
00:21:40that's too difficult or too painful to do,
00:21:43because you like to feel that you know,
00:21:47but really God knows more than we do,
00:21:50in the little self.
00:21:51It's sort of like,
00:21:53not my will be done, thy will be done,
00:21:55show me thy ways.
00:21:59It takes humility to start over again,
00:22:02over and over and over again,
00:22:04because each plane,
00:22:05you're learning a completely different universe,
00:22:07so it's like you have to start over again and again.
00:22:11It's like one of our teachers, Rebazar, says,
00:22:14I know that I do not know,
00:22:16and you have to have that kind of humility
00:22:18to progress to the higher levels, really.
00:22:24Tell me about how the relationship
00:22:27between you and your husband changed
00:22:29after he passed away.
00:22:32Yeah, well,
00:22:35what changed about it was,
00:22:38it became deeper, in a sense.
00:22:42Because here's like two people
00:22:43that mastered out-of-body travel,
00:22:45suddenly one of them translates or dies.
00:22:52Initially, I was in so much pain
00:22:54that I couldn't connect with him for days.
00:22:58But then,
00:23:02we began to connect every day.
00:23:07Initially, when I first connected with him,
00:23:09he would give me messages and guidance and help.
00:23:12So he would say,
00:23:15Heather, move to Florida.
00:23:19I'd be like, Florida?
00:23:21The world is getting weird.
00:23:22This was like 2021.
00:23:24The world is getting weird
00:23:25and you want me to move to Disney World?
00:23:27I didn't want to.
00:23:29So I did.
00:23:30I moved to Florida.
00:23:32Actually, before he died,
00:23:34right before he died,
00:23:36everywhere I went, I'd see puppies.
00:23:38I'd go to the grocery stores, puppies,
00:23:40go in the parking lot, puppies.
00:23:43He was comforting me.
00:23:47Oh, I should mention this too.
00:23:49One week before he died,
00:23:52one week before he died,
00:23:55I was...
00:23:56Well, actually,
00:23:58I'm sorry.
00:23:59Let me correct that.
00:24:00Several months before he died,
00:24:02I was in a lot of pain seeing him suffer
00:24:04because he had end-stage heart failure.
00:24:07His body was bloated with water
00:24:10and he was very, very weak.
00:24:14And there were things going on in the world
00:24:16that were painful.
00:24:17It was like 2021, COVID.
00:24:21And a part of me didn't want to be there,
00:24:23didn't want to be here anymore.
00:24:25And so I'm driving in my van.
00:24:28And then all of a sudden,
00:24:30I'm driving in my van, bright daylight,
00:24:34on a 65-mile-an-hour highway,
00:24:37and I just faint.
00:24:38I just go unconscious.
00:24:40And then all of a sudden, I open my eyes
00:24:43and I notice the car is driving itself.
00:24:48And the moment the lane next to us opens up,
00:24:52the car steers itself.
00:24:55When an opening appears,
00:24:56it steers itself into the middle meridian
00:24:59with a field.
00:25:01And like the ice capes,
00:25:02it just glides to a perfect stop.
00:25:05And when I get home,
00:25:06I tell Alan what happened.
00:25:08And he said,
00:25:10he said that you wanted to leave.
00:25:13You wanted to leave this world.
00:25:14And you almost manifested that.
00:25:17He said, don't do that again.
00:25:20He said, you're under the Master's protection,
00:25:22but don't do that again.
00:25:25But anyway, certain things like that
00:25:27happened before he died.
00:25:28You know, he was giving me
00:25:29all this protection and comfort
00:25:31as the Master.
00:25:35And so when he translated,
00:25:38he began to help me a lot.
00:25:40Because I was in so much pain.
00:25:44I remember at one point,
00:25:45like every time I was about to cry
00:25:48and feel agony of his loss,
00:25:51a student would call me and talk.
00:25:54Like the second.
00:25:55Every single time.
00:25:57Like clockwork.
00:25:58He'd know the exact second and call.
00:26:00And many months later,
00:26:02this student who practices out of body
00:26:04traveled, told me,
00:26:06he said that what would happen is
00:26:08Alan G., my husband,
00:26:10would visit him on the inner
00:26:11and heavenly planes
00:26:13and say, and tell him,
00:26:16comfort her.
00:26:21And then he would, you know,
00:26:22be told by my husband to call me
00:26:24to comfort me.
00:26:27Because, you know,
00:26:28the students practice out of body travel
00:26:30so they can hear these things.
00:26:35It was funny.
00:26:36And sometimes I was in pain,
00:26:37so he told me,
00:26:38he'd give me instructions
00:26:39about how to heal myself.
00:26:42So at one point,
00:26:43Alan G. came to me in heaven.
00:26:46And he said, you know,
00:26:49he said, go to the ocean.
00:26:51So I went to the ocean.
00:26:53And I was told to surrender
00:26:55all of the pain
00:26:57and the loss of our current relationship
00:26:59into the ocean.
00:27:01And that what would come back
00:27:02as the returning wave would be
00:27:05his love and our new relationship.
00:27:08And when I did this,
00:27:10it was funny because I felt
00:27:11all of a sudden after doing it,
00:27:13it's like a huge weight
00:27:14was lifted off my shoulders.
00:27:17And I felt so much lighter.
00:27:18It was like I had healing.
00:27:21And he was always doing these things
00:27:24on the inner,
00:27:25like giving me healing
00:27:26and giving me protection
00:27:28and having these experiences,
00:27:32you know,
00:27:33a God, God's presence
00:27:34in these God worlds.
00:27:37And so our relationship changed.
00:27:39He also said,
00:27:40he also said
00:27:41I had a funny sense of humor too.
00:27:47We, we,
00:27:49he had past lives as slaves,
00:27:51so he didn't like wedding rings.
00:27:54I gave him like,
00:27:56you know, one of those toy gummy wedding,
00:27:58toy gummy rings that glow in the dark
00:28:00and have little tentacles.
00:28:02It changed colors.
00:28:03It would flash blue and red
00:28:04and green and yellow.
00:28:07And, and at one point I find this,
00:28:09this gold wedding ring.
00:28:10And I said,
00:28:11where did this come from?
00:28:12I'd never seen this before.
00:28:14And LNG tells me in heaven,
00:28:16like when I saw him,
00:28:17he says, he tells me in heaven,
00:28:18he says,
00:28:19I should have married you
00:28:21when I was alive.
00:28:24We were married,
00:28:25but it was not official, official.
00:28:29He would joke,
00:28:30he would joke in different ways,
00:28:31like say,
00:28:34like now that I'm in heaven,
00:28:36you know, I'm in there,
00:28:37you know,
00:28:38I'm in the sea of puppies.
00:28:41And so instead of crying,
00:28:43I would be, you know, laughing,
00:28:45imagining him in all these puppies.
00:28:49But he had a,
00:28:50he had a fierce sense of humor that way.
00:28:52But in terms of other things,
00:28:54our relationship deepened.
00:28:56It was like an old relationship died,
00:28:58but a new relationship was born.
00:29:01And as I started having
00:29:03all these experiences,
00:29:05I had a friend who was a mystic
00:29:06who said to me,
00:29:08she said,
00:29:10she said that,
00:29:12she was saying that Alan,
00:29:14Alan and I were destined
00:29:15to write a book together,
00:29:20destined to write a book together
00:29:21that would be the answer
00:29:22to many people's prayers.
00:29:24And she said that most,
00:29:26most books and teachers,
00:29:27most teachers and the books out there
00:29:30are beginner level,
00:29:31but that this book would be advanced
00:29:32or like intermediate to the advanced,
00:29:35leading to the advanced.
00:29:37And,
00:29:39and so after this,
00:29:41I realized,
00:29:43okay, you know,
00:29:44I'll do it.
00:29:46So Alan wanted me to write this book.
00:29:49So every day,
00:29:50I mean, I lost my house,
00:29:51you know, I sold my house
00:29:53and I was in a room rental
00:29:55in Tampa, Florida,
00:29:57sleeping on a,
00:29:58like a cheap little cot that I bought.
00:30:00It's a camping cot.
00:30:02And I'd hold Alan's picture
00:30:03in front of me,
00:30:05Angie's picture in front of me
00:30:07and,
00:30:08and close my eyes
00:30:10and visualize him with me.
00:30:13And I could experience him
00:30:14on multiple layers of heaven.
00:30:16So I would,
00:30:18I would see him
00:30:19on the super physical level,
00:30:20like his light body,
00:30:22astral.
00:30:24And then I'd also see him
00:30:25at the same time,
00:30:27deep in the God worlds,
00:30:28in the pure positive God worlds,
00:30:29like the Anami lock,
00:30:31which is a heaven of pure light
00:30:33and,
00:30:35light that's like a whirlpool
00:30:37and sound that's like a whirlpool,
00:30:38but I hear usually high
00:30:40vibration sound.
00:30:43And,
00:30:45and I would meet him in heaven
00:30:47and he began to,
00:30:50we'd have all these different
00:30:51experiences in heaven.
00:30:53It's what I practice,
00:30:54what we practice,
00:30:55it's dying daily,
00:30:57which means like,
00:30:59it's almost like having
00:31:00a near-death experience
00:31:01of heaven every day.
00:31:03And,
00:31:04or almost every day,
00:31:06but it can be more subtle
00:31:07sometimes in the higher levels
00:31:08because there's less matter.
00:31:11And so,
00:31:12every day I would,
00:31:13I would do this.
00:31:14I'd meet him in heaven
00:31:15and,
00:31:16and also like write down
00:31:17things he said,
00:31:18you know,
00:31:19if he said,
00:31:20he would say,
00:31:21you know,
00:31:22something I'd talk to him about
00:31:23and I would write down
00:31:24what he said
00:31:26and what,
00:31:27what we'd talk about
00:31:29and it was magnificent.
00:31:31It was such a,
00:31:32such a joy,
00:31:33like he shared
00:31:34so much wisdom
00:31:35of how,
00:31:36I mean,
00:31:37of how to become
00:31:38closer to God
00:31:40and to how to have
00:31:41a communication
00:31:42with deceased loved ones
00:31:43and
00:31:44it was,
00:31:45it was wonderful.
00:31:47And then it,
00:31:49our relationship deepened.
00:31:52So,
00:31:53because we had
00:31:54this inner relationship
00:31:56that became
00:31:57so much more
00:31:58because I could meet him
00:31:59in heaven
00:32:01and,
00:32:02and we could talk
00:32:03about anything
00:32:04and he would also
00:32:05protect me.
00:32:07I know this is kind of weird
00:32:08but
00:32:09after I wrote
00:32:10the book
00:32:12all of a sudden
00:32:13I started having
00:32:14a lot of weird
00:32:15stuff happen.
00:32:16I'm not going to go
00:32:17into it all but
00:32:19there were certain
00:32:20beings that didn't,
00:32:21certain people
00:32:22that didn't want
00:32:23the public to get my book
00:32:25and,
00:32:26and so I was having
00:32:27certain emergencies
00:32:28and problems
00:32:29and Alan G.
00:32:30would always,
00:32:31and
00:32:32other guides
00:32:33that I worked with
00:32:34would always tell me
00:32:35how to protect myself.
00:32:36Like one morning
00:32:37I would,
00:32:38I would wake up
00:32:39and in the heavenly
00:32:40worlds Alan would
00:32:41tell me,
00:32:42he'd say,
00:32:43stop driving your car.
00:32:44I'm like,
00:32:45stop driving my car?
00:32:46And I was like,
00:32:47stop driving my car?
00:32:48You know,
00:32:49I've been driving for years.
00:32:50I've never stopped
00:32:51driving my car before.
00:32:52And,
00:32:54he told me just to
00:32:55stop driving my car
00:32:56and so the next,
00:32:57that day
00:32:58I canceled my car
00:32:59insurance and
00:33:00stopped driving for
00:33:01six months.
00:33:02And he told me why,
00:33:03I can't say why,
00:33:04but that I was in danger
00:33:05and
00:33:06so
00:33:07I found out
00:33:08six months later
00:33:09it was confirmed
00:33:10that he,
00:33:11it was true
00:33:12that,
00:33:13that I was in danger
00:33:14and that I had to
00:33:15do that.
00:33:16And he gave me a lot of
00:33:18guidance like that.
00:33:20So I had,
00:33:21you know,
00:33:22protection
00:33:23and,
00:33:24but the spiritual part
00:33:25was the most beautiful.
00:33:26Like,
00:33:27the wisdom
00:33:28about returning
00:33:29to God.
00:33:32So,
00:33:33what is the book
00:33:34about?
00:33:35What does it teach?
00:33:36And,
00:33:37if you
00:33:38want to answer
00:33:39that,
00:33:40why is it
00:33:41dangerous?
00:33:42Or,
00:33:43or why would you be
00:33:44in danger
00:33:45because of writing it?
00:33:47Oh,
00:33:48well,
00:33:49I could show you the,
00:33:50I could show you the,
00:33:51the title too.
00:33:52This is,
00:33:53that's,
00:33:54this is the book
00:33:55Closer to God
00:33:56and,
00:34:00well,
00:34:02I guess you could say
00:34:03that
00:34:04there were,
00:34:05there were certain
00:34:08people in the,
00:34:09in the
00:34:10negative polarity
00:34:12that didn't want
00:34:13people to
00:34:14access this.
00:34:17But one of the things
00:34:18that they didn't realize,
00:34:19and I know this sounds
00:34:20rather
00:34:21strange,
00:34:23is that,
00:34:24is that, you know,
00:34:25similar to the woman
00:34:26who rescued,
00:34:28who's an out-of-body
00:34:29traveler,
00:34:30Christian out-of-body
00:34:31traveler who rescues
00:34:32people from hell,
00:34:34one of my specialty
00:34:35areas is helping
00:34:36people in the
00:34:37negative polarity.
00:34:40I've had certain
00:34:41out-of-body experiences
00:34:42of assisting them.
00:34:46And,
00:34:48I realized later
00:34:49that,
00:34:50that one of the
00:34:51reasons why
00:34:52there was this
00:34:53conflict too
00:34:54was because
00:34:55it was to get
00:34:56my attention
00:34:57that I was
00:34:58supposed to help them.
00:35:01I guess I could
00:35:02give an example of that.
00:35:04There was one
00:35:05person who was
00:35:07a Satanist
00:35:08who was attacking
00:35:09us with demons
00:35:11for six months
00:35:12or so.
00:35:14And,
00:35:15at one point
00:35:16I'm seeing this
00:35:17person on the inner
00:35:18and I'm just thinking,
00:35:19oh, this is terrible,
00:35:20you know,
00:35:21this person is
00:35:22trying to pull me
00:35:24down.
00:35:25But then,
00:35:26to my shock,
00:35:27one day,
00:35:28I just looked
00:35:29and Divine Spirit
00:35:30showed me
00:35:31that this person
00:35:32was spiritually
00:35:33advanced
00:35:34and that they
00:35:35didn't know it,
00:35:36which was surprising
00:35:37because their
00:35:38behavior certainly
00:35:39didn't suggest
00:35:40they were advanced,
00:35:41so it was kind of
00:35:42mean.
00:35:43And,
00:35:44at that moment
00:35:45I realized that
00:35:46they weren't just
00:35:47trying to pull me
00:35:48down,
00:35:49although,
00:35:50yeah,
00:35:51they kind of
00:35:52were trying to
00:35:53be pulled up.
00:35:54It was almost like
00:35:55they were asking me
00:35:56for help.
00:35:57And so,
00:35:58at that moment
00:35:59when I realized
00:36:00that,
00:36:01it's like suddenly
00:36:02Divine Spirit
00:36:03came through me
00:36:04and pulled them
00:36:05out of this
00:36:06sea of agony
00:36:07and suffering
00:36:08that they were
00:36:09going through
00:36:10into regions
00:36:11of more light.
00:36:12And,
00:36:13then it was
00:36:14right after that
00:36:15that my husband
00:36:16did a record
00:36:17reading on me,
00:36:18a soul record
00:36:19reading,
00:36:20and he said
00:36:21this is one of
00:36:22your specialty areas.
00:36:23You help people
00:36:24negative
00:36:25to have
00:36:26breakthroughs.
00:36:27I mean,
00:36:28not everybody
00:36:29negative polarity
00:36:30is ready for
00:36:31Vardenkar,
00:36:32per se,
00:36:33but sometimes
00:36:34I help them
00:36:35with other things.
00:36:36And,
00:36:37I think one of
00:36:38the reasons
00:36:39why their
00:36:40attention was
00:36:41drawn to me
00:36:42negatively
00:36:43was because
00:36:44Divine Spirit
00:36:45was trying to
00:36:46give them
00:36:47an awareness
00:36:48that there
00:36:49was a blessing
00:36:50and that,
00:36:51you know,
00:36:52the word God
00:36:53is a curse word
00:36:54to them.
00:36:55It's like a
00:36:56four letter word.
00:36:57So,
00:36:58yeah,
00:36:59yeah,
00:37:00there's a
00:37:01lash back.
00:37:02And,
00:37:03yeah,
00:37:04it was religious
00:37:05persecution,
00:37:06a lot of what
00:37:07happened.
00:37:08I mean,
00:37:09I was chased
00:37:10right out of
00:37:11the country.
00:37:12But,
00:37:13it was destined
00:37:14to happen
00:37:15before I was
00:37:16born.
00:37:17It was destined
00:37:18that that
00:37:19would happen.
00:37:20Yeah.
00:37:21What was your
00:37:22question again?
00:37:23My mind went blank.
00:37:24No,
00:37:25I love what
00:37:26you did with it.
00:37:27I think the part
00:37:28that maybe we can
00:37:29go a bit deeper
00:37:30into was,
00:37:31what can we learn
00:37:32from the book?
00:37:33Oh, yes.
00:37:34And I think it's
00:37:35also an opportunity
00:37:36to maybe mention
00:37:37what you teach
00:37:38as well.
00:37:39Yes.
00:37:40Because I know
00:37:41that you do
00:37:42much more
00:37:43than just
00:37:44the book.
00:37:45Yes.
00:37:46Well,
00:37:47my deceased
00:37:48husband,
00:37:49Spirit LNG,
00:37:50he helped me
00:37:51write this book
00:37:52together.
00:37:53We met every night
00:37:54in heaven.
00:37:55And,
00:37:56or every day.
00:37:57And the purpose
00:37:58of it,
00:37:59it's called
00:38:00The Secret Ways
00:38:01That Bring Us
00:38:02Closer To God.
00:38:03And it's
00:38:04how to use
00:38:05out-of-body travel
00:38:06to return
00:38:07to God.
00:38:08Meaning,
00:38:09the purpose,
00:38:10the real purpose
00:38:11of out-of-body
00:38:12travel
00:38:13is not
00:38:14to have
00:38:15some,
00:38:16you know,
00:38:17like,
00:38:18movie,
00:38:19cinematic experience
00:38:20that's really
00:38:21exciting and fun,
00:38:22you know.
00:38:23It's not
00:38:24entertainment.
00:38:25And the purpose
00:38:26of out-of-body travel,
00:38:27it's not
00:38:28to just
00:38:29access lower
00:38:30information.
00:38:31Even,
00:38:32even wisdom.
00:38:33The purpose
00:38:34is to return
00:38:35to God.
00:38:36And that's,
00:38:37that's the real purpose
00:38:38and only purpose
00:38:39is to actually
00:38:40return to God.
00:38:41That God
00:38:42is so high
00:38:43in vibration
00:38:44that,
00:38:45that it can't
00:38:46come into
00:38:47the physical
00:38:48as anything
00:38:49other than
00:38:50divine spirit,
00:38:51which is as a voice
00:38:52of God,
00:38:53this light and sound,
00:38:54the barden.
00:38:55And,
00:38:56and we
00:38:57have to,
00:38:58as spirit,
00:38:59learn to leave
00:39:00our physical body
00:39:01and rise up,
00:39:02return to it,
00:39:03in its realm,
00:39:04to the,
00:39:05in the God,
00:39:06the Godhead's realm,
00:39:07in this pure
00:39:08ocean of light
00:39:09and sound,
00:39:10the ocean of love
00:39:11and mercy,
00:39:12which is
00:39:13the home of God.
00:39:14And,
00:39:15it's too
00:39:16intense
00:39:17to happen
00:39:18all at once,
00:39:19so you go through
00:39:20steps,
00:39:21like a ladder.
00:39:22There are different
00:39:23initiation levels,
00:39:24like,
00:39:25my husband and I,
00:39:26one of the things
00:39:27that we always did
00:39:28was,
00:39:29we would review,
00:39:30like the progress
00:39:31of different students,
00:39:32like every couple months.
00:39:33Like,
00:39:34how's this person doing?
00:39:35Like,
00:39:36are they able to leave,
00:39:37are they having trouble
00:39:38leaving their body?
00:39:39Or,
00:39:40you know,
00:39:41they have addictions,
00:39:42or,
00:39:43you know,
00:39:44they have problems,
00:39:45that,
00:39:46or,
00:39:47are they ready for initiation,
00:39:48they're doing really well,
00:39:49to go to the next
00:39:50higher plane?
00:39:51Um,
00:39:52and,
00:39:53and,
00:39:54what it is,
00:39:55it's a process,
00:39:56where,
00:39:57where,
00:39:58you take,
00:39:59just like in
00:40:00elementary school,
00:40:01you know,
00:40:02you're in kindergarten,
00:40:03and you're just learning
00:40:04how to run,
00:40:05you know,
00:40:06and,
00:40:07and how to do
00:40:08certain things,
00:40:09and then you're in
00:40:10first grade,
00:40:11and then you're in
00:40:12second grade.
00:40:13It's more
00:40:14spiritual
00:40:15understanding.
00:40:16And,
00:40:17and so,
00:40:18what we teach is,
00:40:19we teach people
00:40:20how to,
00:40:21how to reach
00:40:22deeper levels
00:40:23spiritually,
00:40:24until they reach
00:40:25self-realization,
00:40:26which is,
00:40:27it's,
00:40:28we call it,
00:40:29it's Jaivan Mukti,
00:40:30meaning,
00:40:31they become freed
00:40:32from reincarnation,
00:40:33they don't have to
00:40:34reincarnate anymore.
00:40:35Um,
00:40:36which means,
00:40:37which is kind of
00:40:38difficult,
00:40:39it makes it difficult,
00:40:40but,
00:40:41they have to work out
00:40:42how to master self,
00:40:43and then they reach
00:40:44God-realization,
00:40:45and mastership.
00:40:46So,
00:40:47those are the goals,
00:40:48because when they
00:40:49reach mastership,
00:40:50it means they've,
00:40:51they've returned
00:40:52to God.
00:40:53The individuals
00:40:54return to God,
00:40:55um,
00:40:56because their
00:40:57consciousness,
00:40:58it's sort of like my,
00:40:59my heart is in heaven,
00:41:00but my feet
00:41:01are on earth.
00:41:02So,
00:41:03it's a state of
00:41:04consciousness,
00:41:05where you're there.
00:41:06Like,
00:41:07even if you're
00:41:08awake talking to
00:41:09somebody,
00:41:10a part of your
00:41:11consciousness is still
00:41:12in that,
00:41:13with God,
00:41:14consciously,
00:41:15dwelling with God.
00:41:16So,
00:41:17it's,
00:41:18it's a,
00:41:19it's a process of
00:41:20training.
00:41:21Like,
00:41:22first they're,
00:41:23they have training
00:41:24wheels,
00:41:25you know,
00:41:26like doing
00:41:27different practices,
00:41:28and then eventually
00:41:29the training wheels
00:41:30come off,
00:41:31and they're doing
00:41:32it by themselves,
00:41:33they're riding
00:41:34the bike by
00:41:35themselves.
00:41:36It's like that.
00:41:37How do we
00:41:38break free
00:41:39from reincarnation?
00:41:40Well,
00:41:41there are different,
00:41:42there are,
00:41:43there are many,
00:41:44many different
00:41:45paths to God,
00:41:46and all of them
00:41:47are beautiful.
00:41:48I believe it was
00:41:49Betty Edie
00:41:50once said,
00:41:51asked,
00:41:52she had an out-of-body
00:41:53experience of Jesus,
00:41:54and she asked,
00:41:55she said,
00:41:56why isn't there
00:41:57just one,
00:41:58like,
00:41:59one teaching that
00:42:00everybody can go,
00:42:01like,
00:42:02one true teaching?
00:42:03And she said that
00:42:04in heaven,
00:42:05Jesus told her that
00:42:06there are many,
00:42:07many different paths,
00:42:08each because
00:42:09there are,
00:42:10you know,
00:42:11different people
00:42:12that need them.
00:42:13And that's true.
00:42:14There are many
00:42:15different paths,
00:42:16it's just some
00:42:17are quicker
00:42:18than others,
00:42:19some take longer.
00:42:20And,
00:42:21um,
00:42:22oh,
00:42:23can you repeat
00:42:24the question?
00:42:25My mind
00:42:26just went blank.
00:42:27Sorry.
00:42:28No problem at all.
00:42:29No,
00:42:30the question was,
00:42:31how do we
00:42:32avoid
00:42:33reincarnating,
00:42:34or how do we
00:42:35free ourselves
00:42:36from it?
00:42:37And it would
00:42:38be interesting
00:42:39to understand
00:42:40why this happens
00:42:41on those
00:42:42lower heavens
00:42:43as you were
00:42:44mentioning.
00:42:45Yes.
00:42:46Um,
00:42:47so,
00:42:48why does this
00:42:49happen?
00:42:50Is it a
00:42:51positive thing,
00:42:52and how do we
00:42:53break free of it?
00:42:54Well,
00:42:55in terms of that,
00:42:56the best way
00:42:57I could put this
00:42:58is that
00:42:59when somebody
00:43:00chooses
00:43:01a spiritual teacher,
00:43:02a master,
00:43:03a guide,
00:43:04guru,
00:43:05whatever word
00:43:06you want to use,
00:43:07they are also
00:43:08choosing a destination.
00:43:09So,
00:43:10they're,
00:43:11for example,
00:43:12one person
00:43:13has their
00:43:14consciousness
00:43:15established in
00:43:16the astral plane,
00:43:17and they're
00:43:18experiencing this
00:43:19beautiful heaven
00:43:20of light,
00:43:21but it's like,
00:43:22they,
00:43:23they can only
00:43:24go as high
00:43:25as that teacher
00:43:26who's working
00:43:27with them
00:43:28has gone.
00:43:29And,
00:43:30and usually
00:43:31they,
00:43:32they reach
00:43:33like one plane
00:43:34below that teacher,
00:43:35so people,
00:43:36a lot of their
00:43:37students might be
00:43:38on the astral level,
00:43:39so they're raised
00:43:40up to the astral.
00:43:41Somebody,
00:43:42you know,
00:43:43on the mental plane,
00:43:44they'll have a lot
00:43:45of astral and causal
00:43:46students.
00:43:47So,
00:43:48when somebody
00:43:49chooses
00:43:50a teacher,
00:43:51they're also
00:43:52choosing a destination.
00:43:53So that's why
00:43:54it's very important,
00:43:55like for,
00:43:56for myself,
00:43:57when I was looking,
00:43:58when I was seeking
00:43:59or looking,
00:44:00I had to really
00:44:01go in deep
00:44:02and contemplate it,
00:44:03and ask God
00:44:04for help.
00:44:06And confirm,
00:44:07confirm,
00:44:08like get confirmation
00:44:09what was true
00:44:10and what was real,
00:44:11because I knew
00:44:12how powerful
00:44:14the illusion is.
00:44:16And I,
00:44:17I had to know
00:44:18for certain
00:44:19what was right,
00:44:20you know,
00:44:21because spirituality
00:44:22is the most important
00:44:23thing in my life.
00:44:24And,
00:44:25I would say that
00:44:26in terms of
00:44:27graduating from
00:44:28reincarnation,
00:44:29there are two
00:44:30different systems.
00:44:31There is,
00:44:32there is the regular
00:44:33system,
00:44:34which is run
00:44:35by the lords of karma,
00:44:36a lot of people
00:44:37see them as
00:44:38sort of like judges
00:44:39or beings that
00:44:40after they die,
00:44:41they're given
00:44:42a life review,
00:44:43and these beings
00:44:44that are very
00:44:45powerful and wise
00:44:46will,
00:44:47they have
00:44:48domain over
00:44:49these persons
00:44:50reincarnating,
00:44:51they're in charge
00:44:52or responsible
00:44:53for their
00:44:54reincarnational
00:44:55cycles,
00:44:56and karma,
00:44:57and all of that,
00:44:58positive karma,
00:44:59negative karma.
00:45:00But,
00:45:01in the other system,
00:45:02the,
00:45:03the,
00:45:04there is a,
00:45:05an ancient one.
00:45:06My,
00:45:07my husband,
00:45:08he,
00:45:09he was the,
00:45:10the,
00:45:11the master,
00:45:12he was before
00:45:13the master
00:45:14before he died.
00:45:15An ancient one,
00:45:16the title is
00:45:17the Murgatma,
00:45:18the living
00:45:19barden master.
00:45:20The word
00:45:21living is emphasized
00:45:22because the person
00:45:23has to have a
00:45:24physical body
00:45:25in order to
00:45:26connect the person
00:45:27on different levels
00:45:28to the returning
00:45:29wave.
00:45:30But,
00:45:31but what it is
00:45:32is the,
00:45:33the,
00:45:34this teacher,
00:45:35this ancient one,
00:45:36who is now
00:45:37Phupi Kwan's,
00:45:38I'm the outer teacher,
00:45:39and he is,
00:45:40like,
00:45:41the inner teacher.
00:45:42Um,
00:45:43the,
00:45:44this,
00:45:45this,
00:45:46this being,
00:45:47or this ancient one,
00:45:48uh,
00:45:49is given
00:45:50certain,
00:45:51there's a,
00:45:52you could say
00:45:53there's this beam
00:45:54of light that
00:45:55comes from God,
00:45:56it's like they're,
00:45:57I,
00:45:58I can't go into
00:45:59all the details about it,
00:46:00but,
00:46:01but it's able to
00:46:02bypass the
00:46:03normal system
00:46:04of reincarnation.
00:46:05What it was,
00:46:06was God,
00:46:07let me put it like this,
00:46:08long,
00:46:09long ago,
00:46:10God saw that
00:46:11many souls would
00:46:12get hopelessly
00:46:13trapped in
00:46:14reincarnation,
00:46:15lifetime after
00:46:16lifetime after
00:46:17lifetime,
00:46:18and never be able
00:46:19to escape,
00:46:20because illusions
00:46:21were so powerful.
00:46:22So because of this,
00:46:23God created
00:46:24sort of a
00:46:25loophole,
00:46:26um,
00:46:27a
00:46:28direct path,
00:46:29and,
00:46:30and a way where
00:46:31souls could get
00:46:32directly from
00:46:33point A
00:46:34to point B
00:46:35instantaneously
00:46:36like a,
00:46:37like a wormhole.
00:46:38Because souls
00:46:39were just
00:46:40trapped,
00:46:41and,
00:46:42and so it,
00:46:43it created a,
00:46:44uh,
00:46:45an ancient one
00:46:46that beings
00:46:47could understand
00:46:48and emulate
00:46:49so that they
00:46:50could go through
00:46:51a process
00:46:52of,
00:46:53you know,
00:46:54reaching spiritual
00:46:55freedom more quickly.
00:46:56And that,
00:46:57and that's what the
00:46:58whole training
00:46:59is about,
00:47:00through this process,
00:47:01because the,
00:47:02the Master can
00:47:03take over
00:47:04the individual's
00:47:05karmic accounts
00:47:06instead of the
00:47:07Lords of Karma,
00:47:08and then bypass,
00:47:09like, the old
00:47:10system entirely.
00:47:11And,
00:47:12and even some
00:47:13of the rules
00:47:14of the,
00:47:15the old system.
00:47:16So,
00:47:17um,
00:47:18it's interesting
00:47:19that way.
00:47:20Definitely.
00:47:21Um,
00:47:22and you also
00:47:23mentioned earlier
00:47:24that,
00:47:25um,
00:47:26in some of
00:47:27your other
00:47:28bodies,
00:47:29um,
00:47:30you traveled
00:47:31and saw
00:47:32past lives
00:47:33that you've had
00:47:34together with
00:47:35your husband,
00:47:36um,
00:47:37and that you
00:47:38also had
00:47:39past lives
00:47:40from other
00:47:41planets.
00:47:42So,
00:47:43could you
00:47:44share a bit
00:47:45more about that
00:47:46because I think
00:47:47it's fascinating
00:47:48for us to hear?
00:47:49Uh,
00:47:50sure.
00:47:51Um,
00:47:52uh,
00:47:53Alan,
00:47:54Alan G and I,
00:47:55my husband and I,
00:47:56one of the things
00:47:57that we did
00:47:58was we would
00:47:59travel
00:48:00and we would
00:48:01sometimes just,
00:48:02um,
00:48:03reminisce
00:48:04and go over
00:48:05different past
00:48:06lives that we
00:48:07shared together,
00:48:08especially past
00:48:09lives that we
00:48:10shared together
00:48:11studying
00:48:12Born Car.
00:48:13And,
00:48:14um,
00:48:15but all
00:48:16different kinds
00:48:17of past
00:48:18lives.
00:48:19Uh,
00:48:20I mean,
00:48:21sometimes simple
00:48:22things like,
00:48:23um,
00:48:24you know,
00:48:25we had past
00:48:26memories
00:48:27of you always
00:48:28have your
00:48:29friends back,
00:48:30you know,
00:48:31because if you
00:48:32don't protect,
00:48:33if you,
00:48:34if you both
00:48:35have swords
00:48:36and someone
00:48:37doesn't protect
00:48:38your friends back,
00:48:39you could get
00:48:40hurt.
00:48:41And so,
00:48:42you look out
00:48:43for each other
00:48:44no matter
00:48:45what.
00:48:46And,
00:48:47um,
00:48:48oh God,
00:48:49there are some
00:48:50things we would
00:48:51joke about,
00:48:52you know,
00:48:53like,
00:48:54like in the
00:48:55past.
00:48:56And then
00:48:57other,
00:48:58other lifetimes
00:48:59where,
00:49:00um,
00:49:01you know,
00:49:02other lifetimes
00:49:03where we were
00:49:04sisters or
00:49:05brothers or
00:49:06other things
00:49:07like that.
00:49:08Um,
00:49:09um,
00:49:10I guess some
00:49:11of the ones
00:49:12that,
00:49:13that meant a
00:49:14lot to me
00:49:15though,
00:49:16some of the
00:49:17lives that
00:49:18meant a lot
00:49:19to me was
00:49:20when I
00:49:21studied with
00:49:22Varden
00:49:23Masters,
00:49:24because
00:49:25secretly,
00:49:26in secret,
00:49:27he taught
00:49:28the students.
00:49:29Uh,
00:49:30he taught us
00:49:31out-of-body travel
00:49:32and he
00:49:33taught us,
00:49:34like,
00:49:35a lot of times
00:49:36when he used
00:49:37those analogies
00:49:38of birds flying,
00:49:39he was talking
00:49:40about out-of-body
00:49:41travel,
00:49:42you know.
00:49:43Um,
00:49:44but he didn't
00:49:45tell people
00:49:46that publicly.
00:49:47But the
00:49:48whole purpose
00:49:49of the,
00:49:50um,
00:49:51Socratic method
00:49:52that,
00:49:53that he used
00:49:54was to
00:49:55get people
00:49:56out of their
00:49:57mind,
00:49:58depending on
00:49:59their mind.
00:50:00Because a lot
00:50:01of people are
00:50:02stuck in their
00:50:03head and
00:50:04they think
00:50:05that their
00:50:06thoughts are
00:50:07reality.
00:50:08And so
00:50:09he would
00:50:10try to,
00:50:11he would
00:50:12try to
00:50:13shake people
00:50:14up,
00:50:15like his
00:50:16teacher taught
00:50:17him,
00:50:18by having
00:50:19to let go
00:50:20of depending
00:50:21on the
00:50:22mind.
00:50:23It was
00:50:24wonderful studying
00:50:25with him,
00:50:26although he
00:50:27told me,
00:50:28he was like,
00:50:29you know,
00:50:30you have to live
00:50:31more to your
00:50:32potential.
00:50:33He gave me
00:50:34a soul record
00:50:35reading,
00:50:36saying,
00:50:37you have to
00:50:38do better,
00:50:39you know you
00:50:40can do better,
00:50:41you're not,
00:50:42you're not
00:50:43living to your
00:50:44potential.
00:50:45I'm like,
00:50:46you're right,
00:50:47sorry.
00:50:48Um,
00:50:49and we
00:50:50studied with
00:50:51him,
00:50:52and we
00:50:53would sit
00:50:54in these
00:50:55beautiful fields
00:50:56with the
00:50:57wind and
00:50:58the sunlight,
00:50:59it was
00:51:00Greece,
00:51:01ancient
00:51:02Greece,
00:51:03and he
00:51:04would teach
00:51:05us,
00:51:06just seven
00:51:07of us,
00:51:08he just
00:51:09had seven
00:51:10students,
00:51:11and he
00:51:12would teach
00:51:13us like
00:51:14out-of-body
00:51:15travel,
00:51:16and we
00:51:17would share
00:51:18our experiences
00:51:19and he
00:51:21later on,
00:51:22like,
00:51:23actually,
00:51:24well,
00:51:25I learned about
00:51:26this past life
00:51:27because Alan and
00:51:28I were just
00:51:29having fun,
00:51:30right,
00:51:31like,
00:51:32hey,
00:51:33let's talk
00:51:34about past
00:51:35lives we
00:51:36had in
00:51:37foreign
00:51:38core,
00:51:39and we
00:51:40started
00:51:41remembering
00:51:42this beautiful
00:51:43lifetime with
00:51:44Zadok,
00:51:45and how he
00:51:46was teaching
00:51:47us,
00:51:48and I was
00:51:49surprised because
00:51:50after a
00:51:51certain number
00:51:52of years,
00:51:53he said to
00:51:54us,
00:51:55I have to
00:51:56leave,
00:51:57like,
00:51:58and I'm going
00:51:59to a far-off
00:52:00land,
00:52:01and you
00:52:02won't see
00:52:03me again,
00:52:04and I
00:52:05started to
00:52:06cry,
00:52:07and then
00:52:08we found
00:52:09out later
00:52:10that,
00:52:11wait a
00:52:12minute,
00:52:13he's going
00:52:14to Judea,
00:52:15he was one
00:52:16of the
00:52:17Essenes,
00:52:18and he was
00:52:19going in a
00:52:20different direction
00:52:21than I was
00:52:22expecting.
00:52:23I was like,
00:52:24oh,
00:52:25this is getting
00:52:26interesting,
00:52:27and so,
00:52:28like,
00:52:29just hearing about
00:52:30lifetimes like
00:52:31that,
00:52:32especially with
00:52:33the travelers
00:52:34that we
00:52:35studied with,
00:52:36but when we
00:52:37started looking
00:52:38at past
00:52:39lives where
00:52:40we studied
00:52:41with them
00:52:42on other
00:52:43planets,
00:52:44that got
00:52:45even more
00:52:46interesting.
00:52:47There was a
00:52:48planet called
00:52:49Beltron,
00:52:50it was a
00:52:51long time
00:52:52ago,
00:52:53where it
00:52:54was a
00:52:55silver age.
00:52:56I mean,
00:52:57it was not
00:52:58negative,
00:52:59but it was
00:53:00not totally
00:53:01positive either,
00:53:02it was sort
00:53:03of like a
00:53:04little bit
00:53:05in the
00:53:06middle,
00:53:07and in
00:53:08this planet,
00:53:09I think
00:53:10people were
00:53:11about six
00:53:12or seven
00:53:13feet tall,
00:53:14and they
00:53:15had thousands
00:53:16of
00:53:17scientists,
00:53:18and he
00:53:19would get
00:53:20into this
00:53:21spaceship and
00:53:22go on these
00:53:23expeditions,
00:53:24I wouldn't
00:53:25see him
00:53:26for a long
00:53:27time,
00:53:28because he
00:53:29was traveling,
00:53:30his particular
00:53:31team studied
00:53:32different forms
00:53:33of animal
00:53:34and plant
00:53:35life on
00:53:36different planets
00:53:37and different
00:53:38universes,
00:53:39different places,
00:53:40but these
00:53:41ships were
00:53:42incredible because
00:53:43they could
00:53:44hover above
00:53:45the surface
00:53:46of the
00:53:47planet,
00:53:48and they
00:53:49would just
00:53:50be able to
00:53:51see through,
00:53:52and then
00:53:53the ship
00:53:54had special
00:53:55beaches where
00:53:56they could
00:53:57zoom in on
00:53:58any animal
00:53:59without it
00:54:00seeing them,
00:54:01and be
00:54:02able to
00:54:03see its
00:54:04chemistry,
00:54:05its bone
00:54:06structure,
00:54:07its biology,
00:54:08its cells,
00:54:09cellular
00:54:10structure,
00:54:11everything,
00:54:12on a deep
00:54:13level,
00:54:14and the
00:54:15reason he
00:54:16had to do
00:54:17that was
00:54:18because in
00:54:19past lives
00:54:20he was a
00:54:21warlord,
00:54:22and he was
00:54:23a little bit
00:54:24too trigger
00:54:25happy,
00:54:26and he
00:54:27would blow
00:54:28things up a
00:54:29lot,
00:54:30so the
00:54:31reason he
00:54:32had that
00:54:33past life
00:54:34experience
00:54:35was because
00:54:36he was
00:54:37being taught
00:54:38to really
00:54:39value every
00:54:40little creature,
00:54:41so he was
00:54:42studying
00:54:43every
00:54:44little rodent,
00:54:45its habits,
00:54:46its cells,
00:54:47its chemistry,
00:54:48all about
00:54:49how it
00:54:50lives,
00:54:51and after
00:54:52a while he
00:54:53became very
00:54:54profoundly
00:54:55bored,
00:54:56but it
00:54:57was to
00:54:58teach him
00:54:59the value
00:55:00of life
00:55:01forms.
00:55:02Sorry,
00:55:03I just
00:55:04think that's
00:55:05kind of
00:55:06funny.
00:55:07But we
00:55:08also had
00:55:09another
00:55:10lifetime on
00:55:11a
00:55:12planet
00:55:13called
00:55:14Sirius,
00:55:15planet
00:55:16Sirius,
00:55:17and it
00:55:18had two
00:55:19suns,
00:55:20a very
00:55:21high vibration
00:55:22golden age
00:55:23planet,
00:55:24lived for
00:55:25up to
00:55:266,000
00:55:27years,
00:55:28and we
00:55:29studied
00:55:30Varnkar on
00:55:31that planet
00:55:32too.
00:55:33On Sirius
00:55:34it was called
00:55:35the Way of
00:55:36the Eternal,
00:55:37but people
00:55:38didn't speak
00:55:39like we
00:55:40speak in
00:55:41Sanskrit,
00:55:42they
00:55:43spoke
00:55:44telepathically,
00:55:45and there
00:55:46was an
00:55:47enormous
00:55:48sacred book,
00:55:49they were
00:55:50pretty tall,
00:55:51so it was
00:55:52three feet
00:55:53wide by
00:55:54four feet
00:55:55long,
00:55:56or something
00:55:57like that,
00:55:58and it
00:55:59was really
00:56:00thick,
00:56:01like really
00:56:02thick,
00:56:03because they
00:56:04had thousands
00:56:05of years
00:56:06to write
00:56:07them.
00:56:08What was
00:56:09interesting
00:56:10about
00:56:11Varnkar,
00:56:12it was
00:56:13interesting
00:56:14because when
00:56:15you see
00:56:16things,
00:56:17you can
00:56:18take a
00:56:19step back
00:56:20and it
00:56:21shows you
00:56:22looking at
00:56:23it from
00:56:24another
00:56:25planet,
00:56:26it gives
00:56:27you a
00:56:28different
00:56:29perspective
00:56:30on it
00:56:31altogether,
00:56:32where you
00:56:33can see
00:56:34through
00:56:35things,
00:56:36but they
00:56:37had the
00:56:38same
00:56:39beauty,
00:56:40they
00:56:41had so
00:56:42much more
00:56:43wisdom,
00:56:44and things
00:56:45manifest more
00:56:46quickly,
00:56:47that it
00:56:48gives this
00:56:49illusion of
00:56:50freedom,
00:56:51so there
00:56:52are so
00:56:53many traps,
00:56:54but there
00:56:55were also
00:56:56so many
00:56:57beauties
00:56:58too.
00:56:59That makes
00:57:00me wonder,
00:57:01when we
00:57:02reincarnate,
00:57:03could we
00:57:04potentially
00:57:05reincarnate
00:57:06then on
00:57:07one of
00:57:08those
00:57:09planets?
00:57:10I'm
00:57:11fascinated by
00:57:12things like
00:57:13they love
00:57:14Star Trek,
00:57:15or they
00:57:16love sci-fi,
00:57:17or they're
00:57:18interested in
00:57:19other planets,
00:57:20a lot of
00:57:21times that
00:57:22interest comes
00:57:23from the
00:57:24fact that
00:57:25they probably
00:57:26were
00:57:27reincarnating
00:57:28on those
00:57:29planets,
00:57:30which is
00:57:31why it's
00:57:32such an
00:57:33interest to
00:57:34them.
00:57:35You can
00:57:36usually have
00:57:37a lot of
00:57:38people
00:57:39reincarnate
00:57:40on other
00:57:41planets,
00:57:42but it's
00:57:43an interesting
00:57:44thing.
00:57:45Definitely,
00:57:46and I spoke
00:57:47with somebody
00:57:48recently who
00:57:49told me that
00:57:50any skill
00:57:51that you
00:57:52master in
00:57:53this life
00:57:54will translate
00:57:55to your
00:57:56next lives,
00:57:57and I
00:57:58wanted to
00:57:59hear your
00:58:00take on
00:58:01it.
00:58:02So say
00:58:03I'm a
00:58:04world-class
00:58:05swimmer
00:58:06does this
00:58:07translate to
00:58:08me being
00:58:09exceptionally
00:58:10good at
00:58:11picking up
00:58:12really quickly
00:58:13swimming?
00:58:14Yes,
00:58:15actually.
00:58:16If you ever
00:58:17see a
00:58:18child that
00:58:19is a
00:58:20virtuoso
00:58:21in music
00:58:22at a
00:58:23very early
00:58:24age,
00:58:25like they're
00:58:26three years
00:58:27old and
00:58:28they're
00:58:29playing
00:58:30these
00:58:31complicated
00:58:32concertos
00:58:33or they're
00:58:34writing
00:58:35a song
00:58:36that they
00:58:37had maybe
00:58:38practiced that
00:58:39for many
00:58:40lives,
00:58:41maybe eight
00:58:42hours every
00:58:43day for
00:58:44who knows
00:58:45how many
00:58:46lifetimes,
00:58:47and so
00:58:48they become
00:58:49more strong
00:58:50at that.
00:58:51But I
00:58:52would say
00:58:53that developing
00:58:54spiritually,
00:58:55because you
00:58:56also bring
00:58:57spiritual stuff
00:58:58with you,
00:58:59is very
00:59:00important.
00:59:01But yeah,
00:59:02and there's
00:59:03positives and
00:59:04negatives,
00:59:05like a
00:59:06child maybe
00:59:07born into
00:59:08poverty or
00:59:09abuse or
00:59:10other things
00:59:11that also can
00:59:12relate to
00:59:13cause and
00:59:14effect,
00:59:15because we're
00:59:16the creators
00:59:17of our
00:59:18reality.
00:59:19It's like
00:59:20if somebody
00:59:21invests their
00:59:22time and
00:59:23energy into
00:59:24developing a
00:59:25certain skill,
00:59:26like you
00:59:27said,
00:59:28like with
00:59:29swimming,
00:59:30then they
00:59:31become better
00:59:32and better
00:59:33and if we're
00:59:34creating certain
00:59:35skills and
00:59:36talents,
00:59:37that's good
00:59:38karma.
00:59:39It's almost
00:59:40like a bank
00:59:41account where
00:59:42you increase
00:59:43the good
00:59:44karma,
00:59:45or giving
00:59:46love and
00:59:47other things
00:59:48to other
00:59:49people,
00:59:50that's like
00:59:51good karma.
00:59:52And then
00:59:53there's
00:59:54negative
00:59:55action that
00:59:56can create
00:59:57like somebody
00:59:58comes in
00:59:59and their
01:00:00parents are
01:00:01drug addicts
01:00:02and some
01:00:03people wonder
01:00:04like why is
01:00:05there this
01:00:06painful thing
01:00:07between my
01:00:08spouse and
01:00:09they don't
01:00:10know like in
01:00:11a past life
01:00:12they were
01:00:13drawn to
01:00:14that person
01:00:15for karmic
01:00:16reasons,
01:00:17like they
01:00:18were soldiers
01:00:19and killed
01:00:20each other
01:00:21in a past
01:00:22life so
01:00:23now they're
01:00:24trying to
01:00:25develop love.
01:00:26Or like
01:00:27somebody has
01:00:28a grandchild
01:00:29and they
01:00:30don't know
01:00:31what to do
01:00:32with their
01:00:33child.
01:00:34So
01:00:35they're
01:00:36trying to
01:00:37find
01:00:38love
01:00:39and they
01:00:40don't
01:00:41know
01:00:42what to
01:00:43do with
01:00:44their
01:00:45child.
01:00:46So
01:00:47they're
01:00:48trying to
01:00:49find
01:00:50love
01:00:51and they
01:00:52don't
01:00:53know
01:00:54what to
01:00:55do with
01:00:56their
01:00:57child.
01:00:58So
01:00:59that's
01:01:00it.
01:01:01I'll show
01:01:02you the
01:01:03spelling here.
01:01:04You see
01:01:05the spelling
01:01:06is right
01:01:07there.
01:01:08Varunkar.
01:01:09And we have
01:01:10a website
01:01:11varunkar.com
01:01:12and on it
01:01:13we have a
01:01:14training program.
01:01:15Some people
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01:01:35we'll
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01:01:48they want
01:01:49to do
01:01:50so.
01:01:51And I
01:01:52think it's
01:01:53just been
01:01:54so fascinating
01:01:55hearing you
01:01:56talk and
01:01:57understanding
01:01:58and to
01:01:59dive deeper
01:02:00into it
01:02:01and to
01:02:02study this
01:02:03with you.
01:02:04So I would
01:02:05encourage
01:02:06everybody to
01:02:07do so.
01:02:08Thank you so
01:02:09much Heather
01:02:10for being
01:02:11here today
01:02:12and for
01:02:13sharing your
01:02:14story and
01:02:15your experiences
01:02:16with us.
01:02:17Thank you
01:02:18and you
01:02:19have a
01:02:20wonderful
01:02:21show and
01:02:22a depth
01:02:23of insight
01:02:24and I
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01:02:26your
01:02:27time.
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