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- Miftah Ismail APP
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"PTI ready to step down from KP assembly", Aon Abbas reacts to Fazal ur Rehman's statement
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- Miftah Ismail APP
- Brig (R) Waqar Hassan (Defence Analyst)
"PTI ready to step down from KP assembly", Aon Abbas reacts to Fazal ur Rehman's statement
Aon Abbas Breaks Biggest News Regarding Bushra Bibi
Ban on PTI - Agar PMLN Govt Kay Pas Prove Hai Tu Court Mein Pesh Kyun Nahi Kiye?
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00:00In the name of God, the most Merciful, the most Compassionate, I am Aneeka Nisar.
00:15Ladies and gentlemen, on one hand, the economy of Pakistan is struggling.
00:19The entire business community, a common man is crying over electricity bills,
00:22and on the other hand, politics is struggling.
00:24And no party in politics is willing to take a single step back.
00:28Every step forward of every community is a reflection of the fact that
00:33conflict is written on the wall.
00:36It seems that the issues have reached the point of hitting each other on the table.
00:42Because any kind of conversation between the parties,
00:46which should basically be between the parties,
00:48that is, the government and the opposition are not visible.
00:51But the opposition seems to be increasing its ties,
00:54and the government seems to be talking to each other.
00:57Or what is the use of talking to each other,
01:00when there is no line of communication or connection between the opposition and the government.
01:07At this time, it seems that both the government and the opposition can see
01:11that there is a constant conflict,
01:13issues are getting worse,
01:15difficulties are arising for the country,
01:17the common people are upset,
01:18but no one is understanding how to solve this issue.
01:23Everyone says that we have to fulfill our demands.
01:27The government's demand is that its five years should be completed without any problem.
01:33The term should be completed, which has not happened before.
01:36Rana Masood has claimed that this government will complete its term.
01:40Listen.
01:41It is the first government that will complete its five years.
01:44It will deliver.
01:45What is the problem?
01:46All indicators are going positive.
01:48This is not acceptable to the enemies of Pakistan.
01:50I will openly say that this is not an easy task.
01:53You have rewritten the constitution in this decision.
01:56It is the same kind of decision as Nawaz Sharif.
02:01I have already said that the media should apologize.
02:04Apologize to the nation.
02:07The doors of dialogue are always open for the political parties.
02:11Before this, Mariam Nawaz has already claimed that the government will run for five years
02:15and it should be allowed to run in any way.
02:17It should not be kept inside.
02:19But on the other hand, today, the opposition of the Punjab Assembly,
02:23Mr. Butcher has clearly said that Mariam Nawaz is talking about five years,
02:28but the Supreme Court is not ready to accept it.
02:33The criticism is being poured out again and again.
02:36Listen.
02:38She has said two things.
02:39First, we will not go before five years.
02:41Second, she has addressed the Supreme Court and said,
02:44let the government work or run the country.
02:46When you are saying this, the fear inside you is awakening.
02:50I want to say one thing clearly to this uncle and niece,
02:53that your days have been counted.
02:55Mr. Tarar, he has talked about banning,
02:58that is, those who live in the paradise of important people,
03:00those who take two crore and sixty lakh votes,
03:02he is telling the party to put a ban.
03:05On the other hand, Ali Muhammad has also said very clearly that there is a need for restraint.
03:10Along with the need for restraint,
03:13there is also a need for the threat not to go to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
03:18Pakistan does not need political revenge,
03:21Pakistan needs political restraint.
03:23The sooner you understand this, the sooner Pakistan will be strong.
03:28Mr. Ali Muhammad has always welcomed jokes.
03:30On the one hand, you talk about jokes,
03:32and on the other hand, my leader Imran Khan and our Jamaat's senior leadership
03:36talk about Article 6 and banning the party.
03:38This is not fair.
03:41On the one hand, Mr. Ali Muhammad is saying that Imran Khan is always ready for jokes,
03:45but on the other hand, Imran Khan has clearly said in the case of £190 million
03:50that no kind of talks will be held.
03:53Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf will also talk to the People's Party
03:56when it will have to come to power for a vote of no confidence.
03:59That is, he said that neither do they want to come to power in this way,
04:02nor do they want to talk.
04:03So, by talking to the Pakistan People's Party,
04:05Mr. Imran Khan has been clearly denied.
04:08On the one hand, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf seems to be eliminating its own ways.
04:14On the other hand, the government seems to be confusing
04:17instead of solving the issues.
04:19There were serious discussions with the Pakistan People's Party
04:22regarding the ban of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
04:24and now the Pakistan People's Party will announce its decision to the government
04:27in the coming times.
04:28But he is just saying that the Pakistan People's Party will be ready
04:32and the issues for the ban will be seen very quickly moving forward.
04:36Does anyone understand what the problems of the people are at this time?
04:40I will put the problems of the people in front of you.
04:42At this time, the bill that you are giving in your electricity bill
04:46is actually one-third of your electricity used.
04:49And basically, two-thirds is the part that the IPPs have to pay in capacity payments.
04:54In the last three months, a heavy payment of 450 billion rupees has been made
04:59in the form of capacity payments.
05:01I will put some data in front of you.
05:03In the first three months of the year,
05:05I told you that 450 billion rupees have been paid.
05:09Mr. Gauhar Ijaz is also revealing all this.
05:13He has also been very vocal about it.
05:14The former Minister of Commerce has shared the data of capacity payments
05:18on social media.
05:19And the different IPPs have been revealed about the payment
05:23that we have made from January 2024 to March 2024.
05:27All these IPPs are running at less than 10% capacity.
05:34And four power plants are taking crores of rupees a month without generating electricity.
05:38Mr. Gauhar Ijaz has also said
05:40that these power plants are paid only when electricity is generated.
05:45But the situation is in front of you.
05:47So this is basically the problem of the people
05:49to which no one has any attention.
05:51And it will not happen.
05:52Because everyone is stuck in their own problems at this time.
05:55But there has been a breakthrough.
05:57And that breakthrough is that
05:58Maulana Fazlur Rehman has made a claim.
06:01Pakistan will confirm how true this claim is.
06:04But he has made a claim that
06:06the KPK assembly should be demolished once again.
06:09And he is ready to resign from his national assembly.
06:14These are the resources he is telling us.
06:16I will introduce the guests who are with us.
06:18Rana Ehsan Afzal is with us for the first segment.
06:22Pakistan is affiliated with Muslim League Noon.
06:24Thank you very much for joining us.
06:26You are an important part of the government.
06:28Senator Abbas Bappi is with us.
06:30He is the leader of PTI.
06:31Thank you very much Abbas Bappi for joining us.
06:33It's a pleasure having you in the program as well.
06:35Mr. Bappi, first of all, please clear this.
06:37What Maulana has said that you are ready to resign.
06:42Is that true or is that not true?
06:44I seek refuge with Allah from the accursed Satan.
06:46In the name of Allah.
06:47Madam, you may have an idea that
06:49the history of our and Maulana's Jamaat is very old.
06:52Our political history is not that good.
06:54Having said that, in the current situation,
06:56at least we two Jamaats are standing together
06:58against this government.
07:00There is no other option.
07:02We both are standing on a common ground
07:04against our mandate.
07:06So, we will also stand together
07:08in the protest against him.
07:10But what I said about my resignation today
07:12is a surprise for me.
07:14A surprise in the sense that
07:16we met Mr. Asad Qaisat after a long discussion.
07:18But in any political forum,
07:20our political committee
07:22did not discuss this issue.
07:24Neither did the political committee
07:26send this recommendation to Mr. Khan
07:28nor did they issue any instruction about it.
07:30So, this could be in the initial stages.
07:32Having said that,
07:34I will tell you on a lighter note,
07:36our experience with these people
07:38was not that good.
07:40The regime in Pakistan
07:42which is the mindset of the establishment,
07:44without 130 members of the National Assembly,
07:46the Shabashi government
07:48has already been running for a year.
07:50So, does that mean
07:52that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
07:54has regretted the resignation
07:56of the Punjab Assembly
07:58and KPK Assembly
08:00against which Mr. Parvez Elahi
08:02was adamantly against?
08:04Let me explain.
08:06You learn from your experience
08:08but we went by book.
08:10In Pakistan,
08:12if you issue a resignation
08:14and 130 members of the National Assembly
08:16are not considered,
08:18then ultimately,
08:20either an election is held
08:22or the National Assembly is dissolved.
08:24When we left the KP Government
08:26and the Punjab Assembly,
08:28the 60-day election was written
08:30in the constitution.
08:32But because the constitution
08:34has a constitution in Pakistan,
08:36the election in October
08:38was held in February.
08:40For example,
08:42regarding the election commissioner,
08:44he went missing in October
08:46and when he returned in February,
08:48he was sweating profusely.
08:50He was supposed to sit in the red zone.
08:52Ultimately, he did what he was told.
08:54So, in these circumstances,
08:56what free and fair elections
08:58can be held with this mindset?
09:00So, you are saying
09:02that there is no situation
09:04with the resignation?
09:06In these circumstances,
09:08I do not see
09:10whether a new election
09:12can be held.
09:42I do not see whether a new election
09:44can be held.
10:12The problem is with Mr. Khan.
10:14What you have said
10:16is a statement
10:18of the PMLN.
10:20This party
10:22does not want to bring
10:24political reforms in this country
10:26nor does it want to bring
10:28economic reforms in this country.
10:30This is not just one statement.
10:32There are dozens of statements
10:34and you can start with CIFAR
10:36and use foreign funding.
10:38But this instability
10:40goes against the government.
10:42Whenever there is instability,
10:44it goes in favour of the opposition
10:46and against the government.
10:48The government has an option
10:50to move the government forward.
10:52I have given you the opportunity
10:54of the Prime Minister.
10:56If a party is adamant
10:58that it should not bring
11:00political and economic reforms
11:02in this country,
11:04then this government
11:06should definitely
11:08bring political and economic reforms
11:10in this country.
11:38Mr. Khan used to take a U-turn.
11:40The polarization
11:42and hate politics
11:44that exist today,
11:46he is the person responsible for it.
11:48You just heard Mr. Ali Muhammad's statement.
11:50He is positive.
11:52He is saying that there should be
11:54a conversation for the country to move forward.
11:56I think 99% of the PTI people
11:58want this.
12:00But Mr. Khan does not like this.
12:02He does not believe that we have...
12:04He is saying that this bridge has been built.
12:06It is the duty of the government
12:08to try.
12:10But on the other hand,
12:12if there are such claims
12:14where the PTI proves
12:16that it is going against
12:18the country's agenda,
12:20whether it is writing letters to the IMF
12:22or spreading political instability,
12:24then it is the duty of the government
12:26to take action against it.
12:28Sehran, you know,
12:30I know, and Mr. Rana also knows
12:32that at this time,
12:34they do not see a way out
12:36to talk to you.
12:38They do not see a way
12:40to try to talk to you
12:42but they do not see a way
12:44to try to talk to you.
12:46They do not see a way
12:48to try to talk to you
12:50but they do not see a way
12:52to try to talk to you.
12:54They do not see a way
12:56to try to talk to you
12:58but they do not see a way
13:00to try to talk to you.
13:02They do not see a way
13:04to try to talk to you
13:06but they do not see a way
13:08to try to talk to you.
13:10This is a situation
13:12that has come to a standstill.
13:14I wish maths were as simple
13:16as you said.
13:18You draw lines.
13:20We will not talk about security.
13:22We will not talk about foreign policy.
13:24Can these lines be drawn
13:26for someone else
13:28so that they do not interfere
13:30These lines should be drawn
13:32for everyone.
13:34This should not be
13:36just for political parties.
13:38This has to be a total document
13:40for everybody to follow.
13:42Every power circle
13:44that exists in Pakistan
13:46should be defined.
13:48This is your TOR,
13:50this is your TOR.
13:52It is not possible that
13:54our TOR is defined
13:56and then someone else's TOR
13:58When the Prime Minister
14:00came to talk about economy
14:02he did not know
14:04what he was doing
14:06with the leader of the party.
14:08He was leaving the Tosha Khana case
14:10and going to Saifar
14:12and then going to the Idda case.
14:14You are sitting here
14:16with the leader of the political party
14:18and you are sitting here
14:20and talking.
14:22Do you really think
14:24we can talk to you?
14:26It has been a year
14:28since we have been
14:30talking about military cases
14:32and military trials of civilians.
14:34There is no time to decide on this.
14:36The families of 102 people
14:38are still sitting at home
14:40and waiting for the decision to be made.
14:42The people have been punished.
14:44They could have gone to the appeal.
14:46They want to talk to us about economy.
14:48Our entire leadership
14:50has been caught in Lahore.
14:52What do you really expect?
14:54Why should we talk to you?
14:56You have come to ban our party.
14:58Ban it.
15:00Put an article 6 on Imran Khan
15:02on RFLB and Kasim Suri.
15:04This is confidence building
15:06from your side.
15:08Give me a guarantee
15:10that if he does not
15:12take such steps
15:14then you will talk
15:16and remain silent.
15:18There is no case against
15:20Imran Khan right now.
15:22You know that there is no case
15:24against Imran Khan right now
15:26except the case of 9th of May
15:28which was registered a year ago
15:30and has been banned today.
15:32You should release Bushra Apa
15:34on confidence building.
15:36She is a free citizen
15:38but you have held her
15:40so that Imran Khan
15:42does not get pressurized.
15:44Leave her.
15:46At least give her a gesture.
15:48If there are cases
15:50just because you have
15:52that power behind you
15:54so you can do anything.
15:56Promise me
15:58on behalf of PTI
16:00that you will not
16:02go astray
16:04and you will not stand
16:06in front of the gate
16:08to give us power.
16:10The biggest pressure
16:12on a person is
16:14ethical pressure.
16:16Today he will take a step
16:18and say that we have other issues
16:20like electricity.
16:22We will also think
16:24that the government is doing something
16:26and we will also talk to them.
16:28For now, everyone should think
16:30for themselves.
16:32Today I was watching
16:34the statements of
16:36Mariam Nawaz Sharif and Nawaz Sharif
16:38that the Supreme Court's decisions
16:40cannot be like this.
16:42This is not right
16:44to talk about the Supreme Court
16:46when the judges' decisions
16:48are against you.
16:50That's the problem.
16:52This is the problem.
16:54When all the political parties
16:56are in the same situation
16:58they behave the same way.
17:00Mr. Rana, they are saying
17:02to give us some way out,
17:04to build confidence.
17:06They are asking for prior actions.
17:08They are following the letter
17:10that IMF is writing.
17:12When we are inviting you
17:14to sit with us,
17:16if there is no solution,
17:18you can say that
17:20they did not do the right thing.
17:22You can sit with us
17:24and then proceed with the case.
17:26They rejected the offer.
17:28The problem is that
17:30there is no agreement
17:32between the parties.
17:34I would like to respond.
17:36They talked about foreign policy
17:38and that lines should be drawn.
17:40Who knows better than them
17:42that they ruined relations with China.
17:44They say that foreign policy
17:46is run by someone else.
17:48Mr. Khan ruined relations
17:50with America, China and Saudi Arabia.
17:52This line should have been drawn
17:54when he was inaugurated in 2018.
17:56When he was put on the shoulders
17:58of the establishment and judiciary.
18:00Mr. Rana, the problem is that
18:02they did wrong.
18:04They came as a hybrid government
18:06and their own people believe it.
18:08How did you come?
18:10Will we keep going in this vicious circle?
18:12We are also justified
18:14because he came like this.
18:16There is a fundamental difference.
18:18The fundamental difference is that
18:20we say, let's sit together.
18:22When we were in opposition,
18:24we were not saying this.
18:26When we were in opposition,
18:28you were brought with a fake mandate.
18:30We were saying, let's sit together.
18:32Now what?
18:34Even today, Mr. Khan is saying
18:36that he does not want to talk to us.
18:38Mr. Khan is saying
18:40that we have to talk to them.
18:42The problem is that
18:44they do not want to talk to us.
18:46I gave you the example of the Prime Minister.
18:48The problem is that
18:50he does not want to sit
18:52with his political opponents
18:54whom he abuses
18:56and calls corruption.
18:58He does not want to sit with them.
19:00The issue is not with us.
19:02I understand your point.
19:04The problem is that
19:06people want to know
19:08where the issue of ban has reached.
19:10Is Pakistan banned
19:12for the movement of justice?
19:14Generally, are they ready
19:16to ban PTI?
19:18The ban is not done
19:20on our own will
19:22or in our own interest.
19:24The court has to ban.
19:26You have to send a case to the Supreme Court.
19:28Then the Supreme Court has to decide
19:30if the ban is to be done or not.
19:32We completely understand
19:34We have a group of people who have done a lot of work on 9th of May, they have done planning and abetment
19:40They have displayed it in front of the people that we can attack 10 military institutions
19:47They have played with ciphers, they have played with foreign funding
19:49I just wanted to complete
19:50They have doubts on this, Mr. Rana
19:51No, this is our point of view
19:52Agreed
19:53These are all arguments
19:55But the issue is that we have a coalition government
19:59We have to share with them
20:01If they have an agreement, then the case is ready from our side
20:06If we want to send the Supreme Court, but with our coalition partners
20:10As the Deputy Prime Minister has said
20:13Discussion on this is further required
20:15If they agree, then we will
20:17But till now, what is the evidence?
20:19We have not given any hint
20:21We will get to know when we talk further
20:23We are sure that they are 100% present
20:27They are strong
20:28They are strong that the Jamaat can be banned
20:31Next question
20:32If you have such strong evidence on 9th of May
20:35Then why is it not in the court yet?
20:37Look, you have also seen the evidence
20:41You have also seen the videos
20:43It is a very simple thing
20:46You have heard the audio that we have to play with ciphers
20:49The whole nation has heard
20:50It is very difficult to get a forensic done
20:52Whether it is real or fake
20:54If it is forensic, then it is an open and shut case
20:57If the court does not want to do it
21:00If it is a matter of national security
21:04If the court wants to do something about it
21:06We twist everything
21:10If it is in London
21:12According to you, the courts did not want to do it
21:14According to me, it is an open and shut case
21:18If you get an audio forensic done
21:20Then the story ends that you have to play with ciphers
21:23If you twist everything
21:26Then you can do it
21:27It is discretion
21:28You are talking about cases
21:30There is an interesting statement from Bushra Bibi
21:34I would like to put it in front of you
21:36Before this, Faisal Warda has made predictions
21:41He has predicted that there will be a lot of factions in PTI
21:46There will be a forward block
21:48Ali Zafar gets a lot of protocol
21:52But he was not able to arrange a mattress for Imran Khan
21:57And Ali Zafar has been legally represented
22:00Are we seeing cracks, fissures once more?
22:05Before this, Khan has said that
22:07He does not want to discuss his issues with the public
22:16I would like to respond to Mr. Rana
22:21If we want to discuss this
22:24It is better to discuss what Bushra Bibi said about the nap
22:27Which pushed him
22:29Which almost saved him from falling
22:30That is more important
22:32Should we condemn this?
22:34Mr. Rana, listen to me
22:36What kind of a family is this?
22:38Believe me, the case of Iddat
22:40Can you imagine?
22:42How much can you fall in victimization?
22:44You made a case against him
22:46Allah punished him
22:48And you opened Tosha Khana 2
22:50And pushed him with a nap
22:52Leave it, she is a First Lady
22:54Leave it, she is the ex-Prime Minister's wife
22:56She is a housewife
22:58She is a wife
23:00Whether a woman is a housewife
23:02Or a worker
23:04A woman is a woman
23:06Respect is in its place
23:08How far can you go in victimization?
23:12A nap doesn't report me
23:14Mr. Rana or Mr. Shahbaz must be reporting
23:16So they have to take the responsibility
23:18How far can these people fall?
23:20Number 1
23:22Number 2
23:24Mr. Rana said in the case of 9th May
23:26That 25 crore people saw
23:28If 25 crore people saw 9th May
23:30Then when 25 crore people came on 8th February
23:32They voted for Imran Khan
23:34This means they rejected your narrative
23:36You didn't even get 30 lakh votes
23:38Crimes don't end with votes
23:40Mr. Rana, let me talk
23:42I don't expect anything from you
23:44Today's tenors were Mariam Nawaz
23:46And Mr. Nawaz
23:48The same Gujranwala tenor
23:50General Bajwa, you listen
23:52Today they were talking about Supreme Court judges
23:54And I am excited to tell you
23:56Our total 107 members
23:58Are sitting in the Sub-Institute in Lahore
24:00Now from the reserve seats
24:02We have got 23 more seats
24:04This is 130
24:06Our cases in the Tribunals of Form 45
24:08The Chief Justice said
24:10The same tribunals which were going on earlier
24:12Which are legally there
24:14Now out of those 40 or 50 cases
24:1640 have come in our favour
24:18130 and 40, 170
24:20And on the basis of those 40 seats
24:22We have to get 9 more reserve seats
24:24With 180
24:26I can understand
24:28Not only your seat
24:30You have done the calculation
24:32I only have 2 minutes left
24:34You have to give one minute to Mr. Rana
24:36Are you talking about Muzamit?
24:38In Muzamit, NOC is not needed
24:40Muzamit is Muzamit
24:42The first meeting
24:44Will be with NOC
24:46We have to tell the people of Pakistan
24:48And every institution in the state of Pakistan
24:50That the first meeting
24:52Will be with NOC
24:54In Islamabad
24:56After that, no NOC
24:58After that, we will go, the streets will go and the people will go
25:00Okay, Mr. Rana
25:02He is in the mood
25:04But the thing is
25:06Mr. Khan himself
25:08Did a long march
25:10Who saw it?
25:12It used to go on for 3-4 hours
25:14I don't think
25:16This party
25:18Which is the enemy
25:20Of the country
25:22The public is not getting it
25:24They have the KPK
25:26They don't need anyone's NOC
25:28They don't need anyone's permission
25:30They have their own government
25:32They say there will be a worker convention
25:34Who will stop it?
25:36They don't need to do anything
25:38You increase the inflation
25:40We are correcting the economy of the country
25:42You are absolutely right
25:44They don't need to do anything
25:46The thing is
25:48What they did
25:50They made the circular debt 1.5 times
25:52They tore the IMF agreement
25:54And threw it in the dustbin
25:56They made the country default
25:58We have taken that burden on our shoulders
26:00We are not in the elections
26:02We are in the government
26:04The job of the government is to deliver
26:06We are structurally reforming the economy
26:08We are fulfilling the needs
26:10To give a stable economy to the country
26:12We are paying the political costs
26:14And we think
26:16We will turn things around in a year or two
26:18In a year or two?
26:20In 2026
26:22The situation will be different
26:24Will it reach 2026?
26:26Inshallah
26:28Sorry, in 2029
26:32We are going to do it for 5 years
26:34Same Prime Minister, different Prime Minister
26:36Inshallah with the same Prime Minister
26:38There should be no doubt
26:40Senator
26:42Hanooz Dilli Door Ast
26:44Let me tell you something
26:46I am the one who talked about the emergency
26:48Khwaja Asif talked about the emergency
26:50You are talking about 5 years
26:52We are going to do it in October
26:54They are not sure about themselves
26:56They are not sure about what is going to happen
26:58The reality is
27:00They are considering
27:02They are considering
27:04They are talking about 2 months
27:06Let's see
27:08Let me tell you one more thing
27:10They are not telling us
27:12They are telling the world
27:14You are just pawns
27:16You are dummies
27:18You are talking with experience
27:20Let's go
27:22Let's go
27:24Let's go
27:26I want to go to the break
27:28Thank you very much for joining me in the program
27:30Thank you very much for joining me in the program
27:32We will go to the break
27:34Then we will talk about the IPPs
27:36Our bills have also passed
27:38After the break, Mr. Ismail will be with us
27:40See you after the break
27:42Welcome back after the break
27:44Viewers, when the electricity bill comes, they go crazy
27:46Someone's lakh, someone's 50,000
27:48Someone's 40,000
27:50Someone who has not used so much electricity
27:52Someone's bill is coming
27:54And there are so many taxes in it
27:56That while reading the tax, he forgets
27:58How much electricity did we use
28:00But in Pakistan
28:02Where there is a severe poverty
28:04At this time
28:06Where people are crazy about electricity
28:08The business community is also fed up
28:10And now this question has been asked
28:12Either you take care of that 22 piece
28:14Or the 24 crore people here
28:16Take care of them
28:18Karachi, Lahore, Faisalabad
28:20At this time, the Chamber of Commerce and Industries
28:22Its representatives
28:24Are asking
28:26How to do business
28:28And how to provide employment to people
28:30When electricity bills will come
28:32So high
28:34Listen
28:36We should get electricity in 25 to 30 rupees
28:38Instead, we are giving 60 rupees
28:40The price we are giving to the IPPs
28:42They are giving the full 45,000
28:4452% of the IPPs come from the government
28:4625% of the IPPs
28:48The private sector
28:50In which our business friends are also included
28:52Should we look at those 40 families
28:54Or should we look at the 24 crore people
28:562100 billion
28:58Capacity
29:00Collected
29:02In the coming year
29:042800 billion
29:06Will be collected from you
29:08Save 240 million people
29:10Or save 42 companies
29:12How much will you suppress
29:14The business community
29:16Industry has shut down in the last two years
29:18You have imposed a tax of 10,400 billion
29:20There is corruption of 18,000 billion
29:22Only in the FBI
29:24Before the birds die
29:26We should
29:28Correct our interaction
29:30To talk to us on this topic
29:32Mr. Ismail is present
29:34Thank you very much for joining me in the program
29:36On one hand, there is capacity payment
29:38If a businessman wants to do business
29:40Then he has to provide employment
29:42If he provides employment
29:44Then there will be money
29:46But now the businessman is complaining
29:48That 25% of the business is going out
29:50If we do business here, then the electricity bill comes so much
29:52Why does the electricity bill come
29:54Because we have to give capacity payments
29:56Why is there capacity payment
29:58Because our leaders have not thought
30:00If we have more electricity in the coming time
30:02Then how will we do capacity payment
30:04We have made agreements in dollars
30:06Now another problem
30:08Please explain that first
30:10All these
30:12Power plants
30:1422 government companies
30:16Capacity surcharge
30:1848%
30:20We can't do anything
30:22Reschedule
30:24Please explain
30:26Thank you
30:30If you give me half a minute
30:32I will explain
30:34Capacity payment
30:36Electricity bill
30:38Electricity bill
30:40Basically
30:42If we lease a car
30:44We have to pay for the car lease
30:46And have to pay for the petrol
30:48If the leaser does not take money from us
30:50The car will be cheaper
30:52But usually it does not happen
30:54That you take a car from someone and stop leasing
30:56If you leave the IPP
30:58Or leave the capacity payment
31:00He will also stop giving you electricity
31:02And you have made these agreements
31:04And airtight agreements
31:06Now you come to government companies
31:08Government companies do not have their own money
31:10Government companies also have 20-25% government money
31:12And the remaining 75% money
31:14Are loans
31:16Taken by the government from international banks
31:18There is no electricity in Pakistan
31:20Electricity
31:22Electricity houses
31:24Generators
31:26Boilers
31:28Turbines
31:30You have imported it
31:32You have taken a loan in dollars
31:34And a sovereign guarantee is given in front of it
31:36This is a hydroelectric project
31:38Run of the river project
31:40Which started in the time of Musharraf
31:42And then it was completed
31:44In the government of PMLN
31:46I think
31:48Nawaz Sharif or Shahid Abbasi
31:50Did the opening
31:52Now he is giving 18 cents power
31:54One of the most expensive power in Pakistan
31:56Because it kept getting delayed, expensive
31:58It kept getting delayed, expensive
32:00But all this money
32:02Was invested by the construction company
32:04You have taken a loan
32:06Now you do not return the loan
32:08This is not possible
32:10The government of Pakistan
32:12Bikki, Baloki, Haveli, Badur Shah
32:14And Timru-Tirmu
32:16There are four plants
32:18There are three G plants and one of Siemens
32:20Two of the government of Punjab
32:22Two of the government of Pakistan
32:24Now you have taken a loan
32:26From Chinese banks
32:28Now you have to give money to the government
32:30So that's why they are part of the IPC
32:32There is nothing that we can do about it
32:34They are as is and they will stay there
32:38Now the problem is
32:40Businessmen are also saying
32:42It has become impossible for us to do business with such expensive electricity
32:4425% of our industry has gone out
32:46Manufacturing has gone out
32:48Business in Pakistan
32:50Especially manufacturing and production
32:52We are talking about increasing export
32:54Export is decreasing here
32:56Will there be a solution to this?
32:58Will there be a solution to this?
33:00Look sister
33:02This is not such an easy problem
33:04A lot of mistakes have been made
33:06A lot of governments
33:08Have not been able to take far-sighted decisions
33:10Have taken short-sighted decisions
33:12We have used more electricity
33:14We have installed power plants which were not needed
33:16In such a poor country there should not have been zero load shedding
33:18We have installed houses of electricity
33:20According to the heat
33:22Whereas in half a year
33:24The power plants are shut
33:26But we have to pay their direct capacity
33:28Because of which electricity is expensive
33:30We have not even made such policies
33:32So that our demand is smooth
33:34We are not able to sell so much electricity in winters
33:36Nor have we allowed so much industry to be installed in Pakistan
33:38There are many other issues
33:40But the request is
33:42The average cost
33:44Which NEPRA has approved
33:46That is 34 rupees
33:48If you sell electricity for 34 rupees
33:50And take all the bills, the problem in Pakistan will end
33:52The problem is
33:54The poor people
33:56Take less than 200 units of electricity
33:58More than half
34:00More than 55%
34:02Now those who are taking less than 200 units
34:04You are giving them 15 rupees
34:06And those who are taking less than 100 units
34:08You are giving them 4 rupees
34:10But your demand is 34 rupees
34:12So this means that those who are taking more units
34:14300, 400, 500, 700 or more than 700
34:16This is an industry unit, this is a commercial unit
34:18You are telling them to subsidize these poor people
34:20The government is not doing it
34:22So their rate increases
34:24It goes from 8 rupees to 34 rupees
34:26It goes from 70 rupees to 35 rupees
34:28And so on
34:30So the rate of electricity is 34 rupees
34:32But because the government has given
34:34Cheaper electricity to the poor
34:36So you have charged more
34:38To the rich, shopkeepers and industry
34:40So this is one issue
34:42Now it is not the fault of any IPP
34:44It is not the fault of any Chinese government
34:46If you put more electricity, it is not the fault of any IPP
34:48NEPRA wrote the rate
34:50When Shahid Abbas was the Prime Minister
34:52We changed the policy
34:54That electricity will not be charged at fixed NEPRA rate
34:56You come and compete
34:58Bid and whatever is less
35:00But that policy was also changed
35:02In the time of Imran Khan
35:04And what was charged earlier
35:06That was also charged at a fixed rate
35:08We think that if you do price discovery
35:10Then the rate will go down
35:12So we have charged electricity at a little expensive rate
35:14We have charged electricity on a little wrong fuel
35:16We have charged a little more electricity
35:18We have made all these mistakes
35:20Neither India nor America
35:22Nor any other country
35:24It is the fault of me and your nation
35:26It is the fault of our country
35:28On which we are suffering
35:30But today tell me
35:32We waste 18% electricity
35:34In transmission and distribution losses
35:36NEPRA says that 12% should be done
35:38We do 18%
35:40This 6% goes to Circular Debt
35:42But if we do 8% instead of 18%
35:44Which is done in IASCO
35:46Then 10% of your electricity will be saved
35:4810% you are not able to collect from those people
35:50To whom you are giving electricity
35:52They are taking electricity
35:54But you are not able to collect
35:56This is not anyone's fault
35:58The money that is being given
36:00He is feeling
36:02You are giving 4 rupees electricity in Kashmir
36:04You are not taking electricity bills from the tribal area
36:06In Balochistan
36:08Tube wells
36:10How many hundreds of billions of rupees did not get
36:12So these people
36:14Who are non-intellectuals
36:16Or give less money
36:18Or for any political reason
36:20You are giving his money
36:22I am giving his money
36:24The bill that fills is giving
36:26I 100% agree with you
36:28There are a lot of leakages here
36:30Which will have to be filled
36:32But this specially capacity
36:34This next 12 years
36:36By 2036 we are stuck in it
36:38Now nothing can be done about it
36:40Or something can be done
36:42But not stuck
36:44There are a lot of payments
36:46When the government of Pakistan
36:48The last time the Prime Minister
36:50He had gone to China
36:52He should have just said
36:54This electricity bill
36:56The next 4 years of electricity
36:58Take it in 10 years
37:00But when we went there
37:02We have to put another train of 7 billion dollars
37:04Of which we will not be able to raise revenue
37:06It will not benefit us in a dollar
37:08But we asked for another loan of 7 billion dollars
37:10We have to make a highway motor
37:12We asked for that loan
37:14We are still stuck in those things
37:16We still have to take more loans
37:18We are not thinking
37:20Who will give their money
37:22Who has already taken a loan
37:24So you take a little less loan
37:26After that you go and tell them
37:28Reschedule
37:30You can talk to China
37:32Don't fight
37:34Talk to them
37:36And tell them
37:38We have to pay in 4 years
37:40China is making
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38:36What was the point
38:38That you went and
38:40Spent 700 billion
38:42Last year you spent 1400 billion
38:44Budget
38:46Is the government
38:48Distributing solar panels
38:50In the showpiece
38:52And not doing anything else
38:54Can't you give some money to Wafaaq
38:56Take this in electricity
38:58Reduce the electricity rates
39:00Does Wafaaq give 200-400 billion
39:02To the power ministry
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