SUNDAY SPECIAL with Susan Crabtree and USSS Agent Chuck Marino- 07/28/2024
SUNDAY SPECIAL with Susan Crabtree and USSS Agent Chuck Marino- 07/28/2024
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01:37This is going to be a comprehensive breakdown of the Secret Service failure in Butler County,
01:42Pennsylvania.
01:43Folks, this is a job I did for over a decade of my life.
01:46I'm intimately familiar with how these things work.
01:49It can never happen again.
01:51First, I'm going to explain how Secret Service walked through its work and the disarray going
01:56on right now within the organization from sources feeding me information.
01:59Oh, man, folks, are you ready?
02:02You got your pens out?
02:04Listen, I'm trying to stay on top of this for you guys as a conduit from a lot of Secret
02:12Service patriots.
02:14The Secret Service right now finds itself in one of the most perilous spots it's ever
02:18been in.
02:20The Secret Service needs local police departments, state police agencies.
02:24They cannot conduct security operations without them.
02:27They just simply can't.
02:30They don't have the personnel.
02:33Because they failed so badly in their advanced planning and leaving that open line of sight
02:37rooftop for this assassin to shoot Donald Trump in the head, because of that failure,
02:45they find themselves in this really perilous dilemma.
02:50They don't want to talk about what the locals, when I say locals, I mean non-Secret Service
02:54law enforcement officers at the scene, could be state police, Butler County, whatever.
02:58They don't want to talk about the locals and what they did or didn't do, because they're
03:01afraid, media people, you're writing this down, they're afraid going forward, locals
03:06aren't going to want to cooperate with the Secret Service out of fear of being thrown
03:09under the bus.
03:11This is the damage.
03:12The damage that's been done from the shooting of Donald Trump, he was shot, is so catastrophic.
03:18What you're hearing in front of the scenes is just a little bit of an iceberg that is
03:23a, I mean, just mammoth underneath the water.
03:27They don't know what to do, because every time they say, well, that was a local post
03:34up on the roof and they didn't show up because of the heat, they look like they're throwing
03:39the locals under the bus, but it doesn't matter.
03:42It's the Secret Service's responsibility.
03:46If you needed it posted, then you should have found a poststander.
03:51You can't just blame the locals.
03:55You see the political problem they have here?
03:58No one is going to want to work with them again.
04:01The damage that's happened from the shooting of Donald Trump is incalculable to the Secret
04:07Service's reputation.
04:09They don't know what to do.
04:12They are totally lost.
04:15And unlike the FBI, that's got their own issues.
04:20The FBI has people up on the hill who've been working political angles, and believe me,
04:26this is not a compliment, just so we're clear.
04:29There are people in the FBI, a cadre of people who work the Capitol Hill angle, have been
04:33doing it for 50 years.
04:35Believe me, if the FBI sadly wants to cover something up, they do.
04:39Oh gosh, we've never seen that before.
04:41The Secret Service has no political skills whatsoever in this.
04:45They are completely, thank you, not ready at all for this.
04:51They have a skeleton crew of people up on Capitol Hill with zero experience in politics
04:58whatsoever.
05:00Now first, let me just confirm something I already confirmed.
05:05Josh Hawley put out in a tweet, Senator from Missouri, Republican yesterday, new.
05:09Senator, I love you, but I'm sorry, this is not new.
05:12I wish people would have listened to me earlier.
05:15However, they choose to get their news media stuff still from corrupted sources with a
05:22batting average below the Mendoza line, rather than this show where we nailed it.
05:26New whistleblowers tell me law enforcement personnel were in fact stationed to the roof
05:30the day of the Trump rally, but abandoned it, citing the heat.
05:34They also say law enforcement was supposed to be patrolling the building, but opted to
05:37stay inside instead.
05:39Correct.
05:40Jim, when did we report that?
05:42Monday of last week at the RNC.
05:46Steal it, take it, I don't care, this is not about me, it is not about anything, I mean
05:51it.
05:52Don't ever quote me ever.
05:53I don't give a damn.
05:55I'm just asking you to please get this stuff out in a timely manner.
05:59Making people wait seven days for a story I told them seven days ago is ridiculous.
06:05I told you people who are familiar with the breakdown, I told you on Monday, said exactly
06:11this.
06:13This explains everything.
06:17They did not want to go up on the roof because it was hot.
06:21You're probably shaking your head like, no way.
06:24Yes way.
06:25I told you last week.
06:29That's going to be important.
06:31Because if you would have listened to me last week, media people, I'm not talking about
06:34you in the listening audience, love you, thank you for sticking with this show, for a source
06:38of breaking news.
06:39You guys have been way ahead of it.
06:42The media folks, the rest of what I'm about to tell you as you get your pens out, as we
06:46tell you again what happened that day for like the 10th time, will make sense when you
06:51understand this one point.
06:54This is at the core of every single problem right now.
06:58When you understand that the local CS team, a local asset was supposed to be on that roof.
07:06Someone objected that day.
07:09Someone said, it's hot, we're not going up there.
07:13It doesn't matter.
07:14It was the Secret Service's job to say, well, if you're not going to go up there, we'll
07:17post it, and they didn't do it.
07:20Now the Secret Service, I can't repeat this enough, is terrified to go out and tell the
07:25story because they don't want to seem like they're throwing the locals under the bus.
07:28They keep obfuscating the simple fact that that was supposed to be a post, and they just
07:32let it go.
07:35An assassin took advantage of it and shot Donald Trump.
07:40That's the story.
07:46That's point number one today.
07:49That was supposed to be a post, and they just didn't go up there because it was too hot.
07:58This is confirmed three or four times over from sources of mine.
08:04Bank it.
08:07The Secret Service did nothing about it.
08:10They just let it lie fallow, and an assassin took advantage of it and shot Donald Trump
08:16in the head.
08:20Point number two, when you understand that that was supposed to be a local post, and
08:26again, local meaning not Secret Service, local law enforcement, now you'll understand why
08:35it took so long for the sniper to engage.
08:37There are a number of people asking, well, what the hell took so long?
08:41You had a guy on the roof with a rifle, with his finger on the trigger, sighted in on Donald
08:47Trump on the stage.
08:48What the hell was the CS team, counter-sniper team, waiting for?
08:53I've got from as close a source as you're going to get to this, okay?
09:02The reason they waited and hesitated was because they were unsure if that was in fact the locals
09:08who were supposed to have that post.
09:14Apparently they waited for the muzzle flash, which is an unbelievable lapse in security,
09:21before they realized that's not us.
09:28They waited for him to shoot.
09:31You understand how them not showing up and the Secret Service doing nothing about it
09:35created this whole series of unfortunate events, tragic events, deadly events.
09:43Corey Comparatore is dead, was murdered.
09:46Let's never forget that.
09:47Two other people were shot in addition to Donald Trump, who was shot in the head.
09:53A man died because of this absolute incompetence, stunning incompetence.
10:00Someone's dead.
10:01His name's Corey Comparatore.
10:04He's dead.
10:08How do you live with that?
10:11They waited for the muzzle flash because they were unsure if that was one of ours or a friendly,
10:17which could have been resolved by the Secret Service site advance agent if they just would
10:21have posted someone on the damn roof instead of whining about the freaking heat, the heat.
10:29I sat in the back of a damn follow-up on a hundred degree day with no air conditioning
10:34with a freaking suit on and a level three body armor.
10:38I don't want to hear your stories about the freaking heat.
10:43Point number three, again, media people, get your notepads out.
10:47You're way behind here.
10:49You're blowing an opportunity.
10:52The video you're seeing going around social media of the sniper team and the black BDUs,
10:59it's all over Twitter and Truth and everywhere.
11:01That is not the team that took out the assassin.
11:06Send it around all you want.
11:07That's not the team that did it.
11:10Everybody keeps sending it around saying, why did these guys hesitate when they shot?
11:14They are not the ones that took out the target.
11:16The other Secret Service counter-sniper team you don't see on video took the shot from
11:23about three times as far as that in a miraculous shot and thankfully took this guy out before
11:30he shot again and killed Donald Trump because he stood back up.
11:32He would have killed him.
11:35That's not the team.
11:37This is an important fact.
11:39Finally, and I'll go into this a little more.
11:44I'm not going to rush it here, but I'm running out of time in this segment.
11:48This has not been reported yet.
11:49I'm going to give it to you here.
11:51There was confusion if there were additional attackers as they were evacuating Donald Trump
11:57from the stage to the motorcade.
12:00There was confusion because one of the first shots that rang out from the assassin's firearm
12:06penetrated a hydraulic line on a piece of farm equipment.
12:09You can see it in the video.
12:11You see the gases coming out and liquids, hydraulic obviously.
12:16Some of that hydraulic fluid was spewed on the motorcade, which was positioned certain
12:20vehicles right there.
12:24Created kind of a bit of a chaotic situation above and beyond the tragic chaos.
12:30In addition, what I'm hearing from a source this morning is there was an explosion.
12:34It was a minor one.
12:35They don't know what it is.
12:37Was it a firework?
12:38Was it part of what the assassin had planned?
12:40It was something detonated, but there was some minor explosion.
12:44They were not sure if that wasn't an additional attack in the motorcade area.
12:50Explain some of the delay in getting them off stage and getting them back to the car
12:53and what to do and when to leave.
12:56Not an excuse for anything, this apocalyptic, catastrophic security failure.
13:02That's not been reported yet, and I think you're going to ... Of course, you're going
13:05to be ahead of it.
13:06You'll see it reported probably a week from now, and someone will write exclusive.
13:10I don't care if you take it as exclusive.
13:11Just report it today.
13:14That explains some of the chaos in leaving.
13:17They weren't sure if there was an additional attack coming.
13:21It's from people who know people who know, let's just say.
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14:24Susan Crabtree has done some amazing reporting on this.
14:26She has fantastic sourcing from inside the organization, the Secret Service.
14:31Folks, you should follow her.
14:33Here's some of her insights into what happened with this tragedy.
14:36This is one of the few reporters doing actual work out there to uncover this massive Secret
14:41Service security failure.
14:43Her name, if you don't follow her on social media, you should, is Susan Crabtree, excellent
14:49reporter.
14:50By the way, she's not some Johnny-come-lately to issues with the Secret Service.
14:52She's been reporting on it for years.
14:55Susan, thanks a lot for spending some time with us.
14:57Really appreciate it.
14:58Oh, it's my pleasure.
14:59You've been doing excellent work yourself, Dan.
15:02Well, thank you.
15:03Thank you.
15:04You are actually at the hearing.
15:07For the first time in a while, actually, it started out a little rough, but I have a lot
15:12of good questions out there.
15:13You're covering it on your ex account right now.
15:15Let me nail this one first because I think it's critical.
15:19The Secret Service director, Cheadle, is obviously obfuscating this is an awful hearing for her.
15:23She looks ridiculous up there.
15:25She will not give a timeline as to when this threat on the roof was relayed to Secret Service
15:31agents.
15:32Susan, you and I both know why, because then the next question is going to be, if you knew
15:35it 5.30 or 5.40, why did the team walk President Trump out on the stage just after 6 o'clock?
15:43Yeah, and my takeaway is, for the whole hearing, the headline is,
15:48I have a timeline without specifics.
15:51She actually said that, uttered those bureaucratic words to Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene,
15:58and thank goodness for Greene, because she was one of the very few members of Congress
16:03that seemed prepared for the hearing, had done their homework, and was asking tough
16:07questions and wasn't taking bureaucrat teas for an answer.
16:12I also give kudos to Representative Timmons.
16:15He really was drilling down on a lot of these issues that we still have no answers to,
16:21and he was the only one, I think it was two hours and 18 minutes into the hearing, that
16:26was talking about the allocation of security resources between the Trump rally and the
16:32Jill Biden event that same night.
16:35We know from yesterday, from your reporting, and Senator Grassley also talked to these
16:40whistleblowers who have said that there were three poststanders that were requested for
16:47Trump's rally, and 12 for Jill Biden's event.
16:50Now, you know what a poststander is, you know, they're assigned to, designated, their Secret
16:55Service assigned to different areas of a rally, targeted areas, but that just sort of scratches
17:02the surface.
17:03Grassley has asked for a full breakdown of all the resources, numbers, versus that event
17:09versus the Jill Biden's event, just the number of agents in general.
17:15They've gotten vilge.
17:16There's stonewalling going on, and it's reprehensible.
17:19I mean, it's reprehensible, reprehensible, but there's no more answers nine days after.
17:24Susan, I hope some of the members are listening.
17:26If you are, I want to vector you into something.
17:29I hope you write about it.
17:31The Secret Service Director Cheadle created quite a dilemma for herself with her under-oath
17:36answers.
17:37At one point, she was asked about denials of security requests from the Trump detail,
17:43and she acknowledged that some of these denials did happen, but said that it didn't create
17:48a security vulnerability.
17:50But then she stated in another under-oath answer that she, in fact, did not see and
17:56vet the security plan for this event.
17:59So you get where I'm going with this?
18:02So if the site supervisors on the ground and on the Trump detail determined they needed
18:07additional security assets, and the Secret Service Director, who did not vet these things,
18:13said no, then we've got a problem.
18:17Then it did create a vulnerability, because the guys on the ground thought it was a vulnerability,
18:22and the Secret Service Director said no to a site plan, security plan.
18:26She didn't supervise.
18:27You get where I'm going with this?
18:28Both of those stories can't be true.
18:30Either she looked it over and said, you don't need that because of these reasons, or she
18:35didn't and ignored the vulnerabilities the guys on the ground and ladies on the ground
18:39said were there.
18:40Well, she kept saying that there were all the assets requested for this particular event
18:45were provided.
18:47Now, exactly what does that mean?
18:51Did the Secret Service agents who were assigned to protect the president, and they kept getting
18:58repeated denials over the last two years it's been reported, did they get tired of asking?
19:07Come on.
19:08Once you ask your boss for certain things, and they say to you, no, 20 times, you stop
19:13asking.
19:14I mean, whether they had assets does not answer, but this, they had all the assets they requested
19:21for this event, doesn't get you the whole culture of whether this was politicized in
19:27any way in terms of the division of resources between a former president and a sitting president
19:35and his wife.
19:37This is the whole outmoded protocol that it is not threat-based, that somehow Donald Trump
19:45and his rallies that attract 50,000 people do not deserve to be threat-based.
19:49They are treated as a, just like an old style protocol, like any other former president,
19:55and they don't get the priority.
19:57That is nonsensical, and it is not, you know, doesn't build confidence that there is any
20:03effort to, and maybe now there is, because we saw the difference, and she couldn't explain
20:09that either, about the details, the exact details assigned to President Trump at the
20:14rally and at the convention.
20:16I saw with my own eyes, there were all men at the convention that followed as the president,
20:22and we saw quite vividly the detail, and we know, I'm not saying they didn't do their
20:26jobs, the female agents, I'm saying they did, but again, it doesn't take Elon Musk
20:32to make a speedo joke on an elephant about a 5'5 female agent covering a 6'4 president
20:39that that isn't an outbreak, it's just obvious, it's common sense.
20:43We're talking to Susan Crabtree, she's been a fantastic reporter, you can follow her on
20:47X and various social media platforms, she's been all over this Secret Service story.
20:52Another thing, she said at the beginning of the hearing, Director, Secret Service Director
20:56Kim Cheadle, she specifically said it, you can go and do one of those word searches on
21:00C-SPAN, that they're there to provide 360 degree coverage.
21:04They are not there to provide a flat circle drawn on a piece of paper around a protectee,
21:09in other words, a flat two-dimensional figure that moves around.
21:13A 360 degree bubble means above and below and all around, a three-dimensional, that's
21:18why they call it the bubble.
21:20I can't believe she said that and simultaneously acknowledged in the hearing that there were
21:24no drone or airborne assets.
21:27I mean, I don't understand, you just said, this is another question for a member of Congress,
21:33Director Cheadle, you just said you provide 360 degree security services for former President
21:39Trump, but you had absolutely nothing in the air, were you lying?
21:42Or did you just say, ah, screw it, we're just going to leave the airborne picture open and
21:47let a guy get on a roof with no one noticing?
21:50And she couldn't even tell when, that was when she answered that question with a timeline
21:56without specifics, when Thomas Crooks, the shooter, was able to fly a drone that morning
22:03at the site and she said, she corrected Marjorie Taylor Greene and said, well, because she
22:08had said, well, he flew the drone over the entire site, and she said, oh, well, not the
22:12entire site.
22:13So you know he did it, so you know what time he did it, come on, but you can't provide
22:18the specific time, how are we supposed to, as American public, have confidence in your
22:25ability to be accountable, like you say you are going to be, she says in 60 days, 60 days
22:31they're going to do this investigation, then she's going to hold somebody accountable.
22:35I can't believe she didn't commit to firing anyone, we're talking to Susan Crabtree, excellent
22:39reporter on the Secret Service scandal, massive scandal.
22:44One thing I want to address with the media, Susan, obviously, present company excluded,
22:47you've been doing an excellent job, the liberal media has been a disgrace on this.
22:51When I reported a long time ago on information from high-level Secret Service sources that
22:57Donald Trump's security footprint was not satisfactory to meet the moment and his life
23:01was in danger, I was called literally a conspiracy theorist, you can look up the piece by Daniel
23:07Larkin at NBC News, who by the way never reached out to me, never got a comment from
23:11me at all, because he's just a clown and a joker.
23:15But it's even worse, after the fact, when people like you and I warned a week ago that
23:19repeated requests for enhanced security around President Trump were rebuffed, we were called
23:23crazy.
23:24And then all of a sudden, Carol Lennon at the Washington Post acts like she's breaking
23:27some huge story the other day, oh look, security requests were rebuffed.
23:32This story's been out with you and I for years, and at a minimum regarding this event,
23:38since last weekend right after it happened.
23:41Yeah, and the Wall Street Journal also had a very specific piece, and Warren Strobel,
23:46a good friend of mine, and an amazing national security reporter, books about, on the topic
23:52of Iraq War and Afghanistan, he came out with a piece on the 16th saying that Robert O'Brien,
23:58national security advisor for Trump, his former national security advisor, requested
24:03security, and he was denied, RFA Jr. was requested, and he was denied.
24:08And he thinks it's political, so that he would have to spend more money on his campaign.
24:12This is ridiculous that the Washington Post suddenly has lied too late, that's what I
24:17call it, and believed the first lie earlier in the week, and so that we get discredited
24:23early in the week, and everyone stops reporting about it, even though we know it's true, and
24:28we keep saying it's true, then all of a sudden Carol Leona gets some kind of source to finally
24:32talk to her, because she's burned all of her sources that she used for her book on the
24:37Secret Service, and she's written two books trashing Trump, and she's on the Democracy
24:43Dies in Dark Defeat, and she finally got someone to tell her something last night, probably
24:47from a Congressional Republican leak, which I seriously question whether that's advisable.
24:52But this is suddenly news, is this this outmoded idea that only the New York Times and the
24:58Washington Post can declare news, that when they reported it, that's the only time it's
25:02news?
25:03I think that that's really passe.
25:05Yeah, we're talking to Susan Crabtree, excellent reporter on this.
25:08Susan, there is a story you and I have been all over, and it is a huge scandal in and
25:13of its own right.
25:14At a site like that, with hundreds and thousands of attendees, excited attendees, in an outdoor
25:20rally where you have obvious line of sight issues, an indoor rally, you have fewer line
25:25of sight issues because the walls and the roof around the indoor venue will block line
25:30of sight from long distance threats.
25:33Outdoors, you have a guy in a ghillie suit could be sitting a thousand yards away.
25:37If he's a talented enough sniper, you got a real problem on your hands.
25:41This guy was only 130 yards away, about a little over 400, 500 feet or so.
25:46This is a disgrace that there were only three Secret Service poststanders.
25:50Now, I explained to the audience before, that does not include the working shift and the
25:54SOD guys, CAT, CS, and others, magnetometer teams, however, three Secret Service poststanders
26:00for hundreds and thousands of people, that is obscene, that they had to detail people
26:06from HSI.
26:07Great guys, not a knock on them at all, but Secret Service agents don't know anything
26:11about Homeland Security investigations, and HSI folks are not trained to do what we do.
26:16This is a scandal in and of its own right for the largest threat profile protectee we
26:21have, Donald Trump.
26:23That's absolutely true.
26:25I was also told that the female lead site agent was a new agent gone from the Pittsburgh
26:32office with relatively little experience.
26:35You know what the site agent does, Dan?
26:37They're in charge of deciding what the perimeter is, and how all the assets needed.
26:45They had to have a supervisor sign off of that, and there's a lead advance agent as
26:49well.
26:50How is someone who's inexperienced supposed to handle all that responsibility and do it
26:55right?
26:56Is that the reason why the building in question was not included in the perimeter?
27:02I mean, that's a key security, that's the security lapse, you know, other than no one
27:08being on the roof of that building.
27:10I guess there was local law enforcement inside, even counter-sniper teams inside, but they
27:15weren't on the roof because it was hot, and I've heard various reasons.
27:19But it's just, the whole thing does not inspire confidence, to put it, the understatement
27:28of the year.
27:29Susan, I've got a minute left, so I've got to wrap, but I just want to ask you as, again,
27:32the premier reporter on this story, please try to get your hands on the CSU Vulnerability
27:38Assessment, stands for Counter Surveillance Unit.
27:41That is a team that goes out in advance and goes and looks at vulnerable access points,
27:45vulnerable lines of sight, ingress and egress, those kinds of things.
27:49That CSU assessment, along with the counter-sniper assessment, it's on paper and it's on email,
27:53there's no doubt about it.
27:55If they pointed out that roof, which I'm sure they did, as a vulnerability assessment, didn't
27:59post it, did nothing about it, and did not block the line of sight from that roof, then
28:03I've got to tell you, there is some severe negligence that may get into some pretty serious
28:09realms.
28:10I mean, this is really, really bizarre.
28:11I've got to run, unfortunately.
28:13Susan Crabtree, thanks for your great reporting, I hope people follow you on social media,
28:17you've been great.
28:18Thanks so much for your support and interest.
28:20Take care.
28:21You got it.
28:22Folks, she's been really great.
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29:30There are a lot of stories going around about what happened with the Secret Service.
29:33Some of them are false or misdirections meant to misguide you and to stop you from asking
29:38the critical questions.
29:39I'm not going to let that happen.
29:40Listen as I break this down.
29:42Let's get back to some of this because this weekend there were a lot of clips floating
29:45around the internet and I'm going to do my best to keep us directed towards the truth
29:49because again, folks, the truth doesn't have an agenda and I pledge to you on everything
29:54I've got in me, on my integrity here, that I'm not going to spin your wheels.
30:00There was a theory floating around about a third shooter.
30:03Jim, if you would, cut three.
30:06Senator Ron Johnson was on Maria Bartiromo's show this weekend and he's not wrong.
30:12There were three weapons used at the site, but with regards to the third shooter, the
30:16current, the current, the current, the fourth time, the current information I have from
30:22trusted people I trust, I wouldn't put it on the air if I didn't, the current working
30:28theory is it was not a third, a second attacker, but that a local counter sniper team, i.e.
30:36not a Secret Service counter sniper team fired at the assassin and missed.
30:41That's why you're getting an audio signature from some of these, um, the internet sleuths
30:46out there and they're not wrong from a third weapon, but listen to Ron Johnson and he's
30:51not wrong when he says this, but I'm not sure he'd know, he may know now who that third
30:54shooter is.
30:55Check this out.
30:56So are you questioning whether or not there was a second shooter?
30:59Is that what you're questioning?
31:00Or, or, or if the shooter had a different gun, you know, I saw you extremely convincing video
31:05online.
31:06I know it's all over the place.
31:07You know, there were three distinct shots early on, followed by another five in more
31:12staccato, more rapidly fired.
31:14And then the final one, which we believe took the shooter out.
31:17How do you explain that?
31:18I don't know.
31:19I'm not an expert.
31:20Uh, but the individual putting that video out says it's clearly shows that there are
31:24at least three different weapons fired that day.
31:27Okay.
31:28This has been your home for breaking news.
31:30I challenge you out there.
31:32If you don't like me, hate my show, you're a liberal and find that, give me a story we've
31:35been wrong on about this case.
31:38We broke the ladder story that that was not a ladder climbed up on the AC unit, that there
31:42were only three circuit secret service units at the agents at the site as poststanders,
31:48that there was no drone at the site.
31:49You heard that first here because our sources have been pretty good on this.
31:53There's a number of working theories out there when their theories I've told you clearly
31:58their theories, they're not facts.
32:01These theories may be based on evidence, some, but they, we haven't drawn any conclusions
32:05on it regarding this.
32:07The current evidence is it was not a second shooter.
32:09There's no, there's no available evidence that that's the case.
32:13None.
32:15That third shot was from a local counter sniper team.
32:18They shoot and they shot engaged the assassin on the roof and missed.
32:24So Senator Johnson is absolutely accurate.
32:27Um, but I don't draw any conclusions about that being a second gunman.
32:31So far there's no evidence of that.
32:33Any evidence emerges, I'll be the first to hear it, but again, the Bongino rule here
32:39applies.
32:40Give yourself 24 to 72 hours when you hear something on the internet to kind of sift
32:47through what's garbage and what's not.
32:49And the reason I say that folks is there are a lot of people out there, I'm telling you
32:53for a fact who are in our business, who are nothing more than provocateurs.
32:58They are not conservatives.
32:59They secrete ourselves themselves into our social media conversations and they plant
33:06nonsense so filibusters will happen and no one will ever get to the bottom.
33:10It's a pretty sick tactical technique to distract you from the truth.
33:15I'm convinced that what, it's what happened in the 2020 election too, that we had a legitimate
33:21case for a compromised election.
33:24Absolutely.
33:25And we still do.
33:27And there were people out there secreting narratives into our movement to distract you
33:31from stuff we absolutely knew was true.
33:35Don't let it happen again.
33:38Ron Johnson continued on Maria Bartiromo and this is an interesting clip about a mysterious
33:43guy in a gray suit on the roof.
33:46Folks, Occam's razor typically applies at these things, but I'm going to tell you straight
33:51up from trusted sources on this.
33:54It's still kind of up in the air who this person was, but I'll give you some working
34:00theories on it.
34:01And again, you're all very smart people.
34:02You can decide what sounds sensible and what doesn't.
34:05Take a listen.
34:06So this is the guy in the suit who walks up the ladder, goes to the roof and tells the
34:10local, the locals, send those pictures to this cell phone.
34:15Who was that person?
34:16Well, again, I'm not sure that was the guy.
34:18I think another county law enforcement gave the, the number to the other county law enforcement,
34:24the snipers to send the text.
34:27Some guy in a suit walks up the ladder.
34:30They believe you secret service.
34:31I'm not sure where they gave credentials, but that's part of it.
34:34Again, Maria, this is so preliminary.
34:36I'm issuing this, I'm providing this information and much more detailed timeline to prompt
34:41others to come forward.
34:42We need to complete this picture.
34:44We have a lot of puzzle pieces to fill in here.
34:46Is it, is it odd to you that the locals were being told to send the pictures to the alcohol,
34:53tobacco and firearms agency, ATF?
34:56Where does ATF come in?
34:59The oddity starts with the fact that the local law enforcement were just tasked with securing
35:04the perimeter, told to go cover that AGR building, not really told where it is set up.
35:10So they set up on the second floor.
35:11They went to that AGR building at 1030 in the morning.
35:15Folks, I don't know who that individual in the gray suit was, but it should not be hard
35:22to identify that person based on the available video at the site.
35:26There are going to be a number of people who should be able to just pick them out if he
35:29was local police, um, say state police, Butler County or secret service.
35:35Now regarding the ATF question, you know, I'm hearing from some people on the ground
35:39that the picture may have been sent over there for some facial ID purposes.
35:43If that comes out in the wash, I'm not putting that out there as a firm conclusion.
35:48I'm just telling you what I've heard from some people as to what they think that may
35:52have been, but it's my job to give you what I know and to, to stick with trusted sources
36:03on this so we don't get spun up on stuff because I'm telling you there's effort, there are
36:07efforts out there right now to get you distracted.
36:11You know what?
36:12I want to play this clip.
36:13I'm going to go a little bit out of order, but, uh, Jim, the, uh, cut eight, if you would,
36:17Mike Cernovich, a good follow on X great account.
36:20Nice guy, Cernovich was interviewing with Tucker Carlson.
36:25Maybe you don't believe me.
36:26Maybe you think I'm kidding.
36:27Having been in this business for a long time, I can tell you right now, I am absolutely
36:30certain there are people who are pretending to be us who interjecting conversations on
36:37social media with the strict intention of directing you down a path they know is fake
36:42so that you'll never ask the real questions.
36:44Here's Cernovich and Tucker talking about exactly this phenomenon.
36:49Maybe you don't believe me.
36:50Maybe you'll believe them.
36:51Check this out.
36:52Do you think there are like lots of feds running around actually?
36:55Oh, I think there are all kinds of feds embedded within the right wing movement, right wing
37:00movement and the conservative movement.
37:02You think that's real?
37:03Oh yeah.
37:04To discredit people.
37:05That was the CIA.
37:06They, there was a book called Intel Pro.
37:08You can read the CIA manual on how you disrupt movements, which I read and what they would
37:14do, the CIA would do, at the time they were doing it to the Black Panthers, but now they're
37:18doing it to anybody who's deemed Christian or goes to a Catholic church, is they have
37:22various tactics.
37:23And one tactic they do is they call it stone, what do you call it when you keep talking?
37:30Filibustering.
37:31So you'll, you have a group and you'll have two different agents put in.
37:35One is going to try to fed trap you like they did in Michigan.
37:38Oh, we need to do more than just talk.
37:40We've talked for too long.
37:41It's time to take action.
37:44And then that only works on the really desperate people who don't have anything going on, which
37:49happened post 9-11 to Muslim kids, if we're being fully honest here, this isn't a new
37:53thing happening to us and woe is us.
37:55It was happening to Muslims and a lot of conservatives didn't really care.
37:58Oh, that's true.
37:59The FBI stopped another terrorist attack.
38:00No, they didn't.
38:01They found some poor Muslim kid who was lonely, maybe mildly autistic, and they planned a
38:06whole thing for him.
38:08Or he had non-mainstream opinions, but it wasn't hurting him.
38:11By the way, you're allowed to have non-mainstream opinions.
38:13In fact, that's the whole point of this country.
38:16It's allowing you to have non-mainstream opinions.
38:18Right, so now it's our turn in the barrel.
38:20So on the one hand, they'll try to do that with low-hanging fruit.
38:23On the other hand, they'll have people who filibuster and make it so that nothing can
38:29really get done.
38:31That second part, we all know about the fed napping and other things.
38:35Of course, there are going to be people in the government trying to entrap you.
38:39This is not a new problem.
38:41Law enforcement authorities, sadly, have always had a number of rotten apples in there,
38:47some with a larger number, some with a smaller number, that'll try things like this.
38:51But the second part, he is absolutely correct about.
38:55There are people out there, I am sure of it, who are going to come out tomorrow, Jim, you've
38:59seen it.
39:00You've been in this business longer than me.
39:02You've seen it probably a thousand times.
39:04There's going to be a conversation going on on Twitter, and someone's going to come in
39:06there with like, you know, MAGA superhero.
39:09He's not one of us.
39:10He or she, not at all.
39:12They're just doing that.
39:13And they're going to say, this guy's a phony.
39:17I'm telling you, I have evidence that space aliens did it.
39:20Look, and everybody's going to click on it.
39:22And what it does is it gets you redirected from serious questions like, how did the Secret
39:26Service miss an obvious communications failure?
39:29And who was this guy, shooter, working with, if anyone?
39:32And it gets you distracted with, we'll call it the Mars alien theory.
39:36And then all day, you're on Twitter like, oh, this guy said more.
39:39They do it on purpose.
39:41That is the point.
39:42They want you guys to filibuster endlessly on whatever.
39:46I'm just making up.
39:47Operation Dragon Tooth.
39:49I've got proof.
39:51The Russians did it.
39:52Oswald resurrected from the grave.
39:54And everybody's like, really?
39:56They are trying to sucker you.
39:57I know you guys aren't going to fall for it.
39:59I'm just saying this is done intentionally.
40:02And I'm already seeing it on this shooting case.
40:04Who was this guy working with?
40:07That's an open question, man.
40:08We better get answered, if anyone at all.
40:11But I agree with most of you that it is awfully suspicious that he left no social media footprint
40:17whatsoever.
40:18Are you kidding me?
40:19Is that a joke?
40:20You're seriously sticking with that.
40:23They want they don't want those questions answered.
40:26So you're going to get the, you know, second gunman theory and things like that.
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41:35This is Charles Chuck Marino, a good friend of mine, former Secret Service agent.
41:38He has some really great insights as well.
41:40All right.
41:41I want to welcome back to the show a former colleague of mine, a friend, good guy, very
41:45talented agent during his time with the Secret Service.
41:49Former agent with the Secret Service, Charles Chuck Marino.
41:52Chuck, welcome back to the show.
41:53We appreciate it.
41:54Hey, Dan.
41:55Thanks for having me.
41:57Of course.
41:58You've been doing some really excellent and honest commentary, folks, on this.
42:03And I think a lot of the working agents you and I worked with really appreciate it.
42:07Because Chuck, I think you, as well as I, are getting a ton of emails from both formers
42:12and active agents that are absolutely horrified by this apocalyptic abomination of a security
42:18failure.
42:19And just to be clear, from guys like you and I, who have not been part of security failures
42:23like this, thankfully, there's no excuse for this.
42:26This is this is just an abject failure.
42:28You know, Dan, you're right.
42:31And I got to tell you, what's blowing my mind is this, the building was outside the
42:36security perimeter.
42:38And I think it's been bad messaging from the start, from the former director of the Secret
42:44Service, because threats like that are what drive the established perimeters.
42:50So you and I both know, you walk out there, you say, this building's too close, it's got
42:55a line of sight.
42:56You know what, that's in our perimeter, and we're going to secure it accordingly, instead
43:00of making it sound like it was just left up in the air, you know, for the cops to come
43:05up with their own plan to secure it.
43:07And that's, you know, ever since that description, it's been breaking bad for the service.
43:11Yeah.
43:12Talking to Chuck Marino, former Secret Service agent.
43:15Chuck, I heard you on on Fox providing that commentary this morning, and I was at the
43:20table pounding the table like, yes, the threat determines the security asset allocation,
43:27not the other way around.
43:28The counter-sniper unit of the Secret Service recognizes threats out to roughly 1,000 yards,
43:36which a super-competent sniper in a ghillie suit could pull off.
43:40You're 100% correct.
43:41We don't just go, well, it's kind of hot, and that building's 130 yards, but whatever,
43:47man, like Alicia Silverstone in Clueless, like, that's not what we do.
43:52But let me ask you one question here as well.
43:54Again, you haven't done hundreds of advances yourself.
43:57The advance agent, as you well know, is at the site way before the protectee shows up.
44:03So whoever the advance agent is that day, is there hours before Donald Trump arrives
44:10on the scene.
44:11What me as a former agent, I think you were kind of curious about as well, want to put
44:15words in your mouth is, if the advance agent was there that day and knew this was a threat,
44:19there's going to be some CSU and CS vulnerability assessment that's going to show that that
44:24line of sight in that particular building was a threat from an elevation standpoint,
44:29then how the hell did they let the site go unmanned?
44:33Even if they agreed that it was a local post, which I hear they agreed, and they said, oh,
44:38it's too hot, then why not come up with a different strategy like, hey, you know what?
44:42We'll rotate poststanders in and out to make sure nobody goes up there.
44:47Or Chuck, things you and I have done like, we'll block the line of sight to at least
44:50make sure they can't see Donald Trump on the stage.
44:53There were other ways to fix this.
44:55It's like they forgot about the effective implementation part, right?
45:00To go check on things that are supposed to be posted by state and local law enforcement.
45:05Look, if it's not being covered to the satisfaction of that site agent, then he's got to fix it
45:11and he's got to fix it quick.
45:13But this should all be done well in advance.
45:15As you said, this should all be coordinated.
45:18The lines of communication, everything that you and I are hearing today about, you know,
45:23no communication between state and local law enforcement, this finger pointing, which is
45:28bad for all agencies, none of this should happen.
45:31This would have taken, you know, us five minutes to say that building is a threat.
45:36Here's what we're going to do.
45:38It better be posted.
45:39And I'm going to be back here the morning of the event.
45:42And I'm going to check on it and keep checking on it.
45:45Yeah. Talking to Chuck Marino, former Secret Service agent with a lot of experience in this.
45:50Chuck, that that segues nicely to my next question.
45:53You know, you and I both know that security is treated as a three dimensional bubble,
45:59not a circle on a piece of paper that that moves with the protectee.
46:03So 360 degree, three dimensional security bubbles mean above and below.
46:08That's a serious issue in New York, where if the president's walking on the street, there's a train station below.
46:14We might man that we have NYPD down there, but we also always keep assets overhead for a number of reasons.
46:21You want to make sure a plane doesn't crash into the site.
46:23It's not like that's happened before.
46:24I mean, I say sarcastic.
46:26I mean, this stuff has actually happened.
46:28How in the hell did the air security branch not have a hundred dollar drone up there or a FLIR or a Huntsman or something just to look down on the site and say, hey, we got a guy on the roof who shouldn't be there?
46:42I mean, this is inexcusable and out of eyeballs in the sky.
46:46Well, my understanding is they've got a program.
46:51Field offices have the tools to deploy.
46:55And so why this technology wasn't deployed and used the Secret Service is going to have to explain.
47:02But it's unacceptable, especially the airspace needs to be closed.
47:06That needs to be ensured.
47:08Look, former President Trump is a high enough level on the threat assessment scale to be practically equivalent to the president of the United States based on actions that he took during his presidency against state actors like Iran and his visibility and policy decisions now.
47:30So, look, give him the highest level of protection.
47:33The airspace needs to be closed.
47:35Drone mitigation needs to be a part of the plan.
47:38And for anything less, it's inexcusable.
47:42Talking to Chuck Marino, former Secret Service agent.
47:44Chuck, one of the questions I find baffling, which still we have not been given a candid, honest answer on, is from multiple sources that are feeding me and others information.
47:56The Secret Service knew between 15 and 20 minutes out.
48:00Conclusive, I would say is probably earlier, but let's just work with that timeline for now, because that's enough.
48:06About 15 or 20 minutes out that there was an unmitigated threat out there, a man outside what they claim is their secure perimeter roaming around range finder backpack.
48:17I mean, these are all furtive type suspicious movements which should have stopped President Trump to protect you that day from walking out on stage.
48:25There's a room at these sites called the holding room.
48:27Everybody knows about the president goes there to hold when there's a threat.
48:31I can't think of one possible reason why this wasn't relayed to the shift to say, hey, just keep them in the limo, keep them in the truck or keep them in the holding room until we can figure out what's going on.
48:44I mean, it's not like the networks weren't going to wait a few minutes on these speeches.
48:48They're late all the time.
48:51Yeah, you know, we're starting to see with this significant failure in the plan, all the other cracks starting to be exposed.
48:58And we're going to see it significantly in communications in that area.
49:04Like me, I can't figure it out because, as you and I both know, this is nothing elaborate.
49:09It's the counterpart system literally sitting side by side with law enforcement agencies that are participating in the security plan.
49:17So for the life of me, like you, I still can't figure out how the communication didn't flow here in this situation.
49:25But you're right. You should have never gone the stage with based on the timing that you're saying.
49:31And you're right. It was probably longer.
49:34Yeah, I'm sorry to interrupt.
49:37Yeah, I'm having a tough time because people like you and I did this for a living.
49:40I was on my friend Glenn, Glenn Beck show this morning.
49:44You know, Glenn has no Secret Service experience whatsoever.
49:47And Chuck, he's asking questions that both guys like you and me can't I can't answer without attributing to malice or stupidity.
49:54I really can't find an option C and it's driving me bananas.
49:59Let me ask you another question.
50:01So there are friends of ours who I think you and I both know there's a significant email trail here about security requests for enhancements to the Donald Trump detail on the DTD.
50:12Right. There's an email trail.
50:14There have been there have been white papers out there.
50:15I have this on good authority.
50:18Let's just say, you know, what I found bizarre was former director, thankfully, Kim Cheetos testimony under oath yesterday.
50:24Trying to evade this basic question.
50:26I mean, if you're going to take responsibility and I quote, say the buck stops here, which is what she did, then part of it is to say, hey, listen, we failed.
50:34There were requests for security enhancements in the past.
50:38We denied them.
50:39These repeated denials probably led to a failure to request them anymore.
50:43I mean, if I'm telling you a thousand times, I need antiviral protection.
50:46You say, no, my computer gets hacked.
50:48You don't have any easy excuse.
50:50You should have said yes.
50:51I mean, she really she she was risking perjury yesterday with some of these dangerous answers.
50:58Well, that was a train wreck yesterday and again, not being transparent with members of Congress, you know, giving two interviews, leaking the opening statement.
51:08None of this was good and certainly not in the spirit of the Secret Service, for sure, which is why she's now the former director.
51:17But look, this happened on her watch.
51:19She's got to take responsibility for all of this.
51:22And if there were numerous requests, which you and I know there were, then she should have articulated why they were denied.
51:31Now, that's not part of the investigation by the bureau right now.
51:34They're looking at the assassination attempt.
51:36She could have freely spoke about this and said, here was the decision I made.
51:41I denied it.
51:42I stood by it.
51:43And here's why.
51:44But she didn't even do that, which tells me she knows it was the wrong decision.
51:49And I'm hoping for the life of me, it wasn't a political decision.
51:53Oh, gosh, I'm hoping to talk to Chuck Marino, former Secret Service agent, former colleague and a friend.
51:59Chuck, last question.
52:00And I'd like to get your take on this.
52:02And you may not agree.
52:03And that's fine. I'm asking you candidly and seriously, because I like your answer.
52:07I think one of the problems with the Secret Service right now is this commingled investigative mission.
52:13I get it. The history of the Secret Service with counterfeiting.
52:15I understand the whole thing.
52:16There's this been this ethos in the past is this mythological story.
52:20We tell each other that, oh, my gosh, it makes people better protection agents.
52:24No protection makes people better protection agents.
52:26I don't play football to become a better baseball player.
52:28The Secret Service needs a field office system.
52:31But the Secret Service, you don't have to transfer everyone to a protection detail.
52:34You'd probably lose everyone.
52:35But you could keep them in the field doing threat cases, critical infrastructure analysis.
52:40I mean, you know, we have firemen some days who, you know, they they don't have a fire.
52:44They don't go start a fire because they're there to be reactive to a fire.
52:49But I think we need to dump this investigative mission.
52:52It's creating way too many problems with the travel rotation.
52:55You know, court cases for people.
52:57We need these guys dedicated to this mission.
53:00We've seen what happens when we fail.
53:01Your thoughts on that? I agree with you 100 percent.
53:05And I'll say it a different way.
53:07You can't complain that you're constantly being asked to do more with less and keep raising your left hand up asking for more.
53:16Look, you're not going to get this type of coverage for screwing up a counterfeit investigation.
53:21You and I both know that protection is where it's at.
53:25It's the number one priority of the Secret Service.
53:28They're the best in the world at it and they need to keep doing that.
53:32So they've got to focus their attention, all their resources on protection related functions.
53:39I agree with you.
53:40Protective intelligence, critical infrastructure, technical security, all of that stuff.
53:47But it's got the foundation has to be protection going forward and give those investigations back to Treasury or wherever else.
53:58I really I don't use the Lord's name in vain.
54:01Thank God, because I'm glad a smart guy like yourself, who I believe in and trust and work with, feels the same way we did.
54:07This does not mean guys will be on 24 hour protection.
54:11It just means we will focus exclusively on threat cases, critical infrastructure, things directly related to the protective function.
54:18And you're right. We can't keep raising our hand going.
54:21We'll take NSSEs, national special security events.
54:24Oh, we'll take e-crimes, electronic crimes.
54:26You're right. You can't make both arguments.
54:28Hey, we're doing too much.
54:29Hey, give us more.
54:30It doesn't work that way. Chuck Marino.
54:32You've been fantastic.
54:33Follow him, Charles Marino on X.
54:35He's had some really, really super insightful commentary.
54:39You see him on Fox, on cable news.
54:41Just really great work.
54:42Chuck, thanks for telling the truth.
54:43I'm getting a lot of feedback from mutual friends who appreciate you being an honest voice, man.
54:48We got to fix this thing and not just complain about it.
54:50Thanks for your time. We appreciate it.
54:51Well, likewise, you too, Dan.
54:52Thanks. You're the best.
54:54Thank you. You got it, buddy.
54:55I work with that guy, folks.
54:56That guy's legit.
54:57I'm telling you, there are good guys who really, really are absolutely 100 percent
55:03committed to fixing this apocalyptic security failure.
55:06They are embarrassed.
55:08They are horrified.
55:09If I could, I would read you the hundreds, more than hundreds of texts from people
55:15I've worked with in law enforcement in the service who are apt.
55:19So I don't even have the words, the modifiers and adjectives and adverbs to describe
55:23how disgusted they are about what happened.
55:26Fix it or someone's going to die.
55:30Thanks for listening to the podcast.
55:32I hope this show answered a lot of questions for you about this.
55:34Just horrific tragedy.
55:35We've got to prevent this from happening again.
55:38If you want to listen to our radio show during the week, go to Bonjino dot com slash
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55:46slash Bonjino. Thanks for tuning in.
55:48You just heard Dan Bonjino.