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00:00You know this guy is wrong.
00:01His payout is good.
00:03He paid Yasmin.
00:05Okay.
00:05Did you take the case?
00:10It's hard to answer.
00:18Hello guys, with Sean now at Motif Trending.
00:21We have a lawyer who is viral on social media.
00:25Studio, please welcome Yasmin Khalid.
00:29There is only one legal punishment for OKT from 1 to 6.
00:34Which is hanging until death.
00:37Can you introduce yourself to those who don't know Yasmin yet?
00:40Okay.
00:41My name is Yasmin Biti Khalid.
00:42I'm 28 years old.
00:44I'm from Batu Pak Johor.
00:45Now I work as a lawyer for Tertuan Hafarizan Wan and Aisyah Mubarak.
00:50Short intro.
00:51Your answer is very formal.
00:57Have you always wanted to become a lawyer since you were young?
01:04Actually, my dad used to study law.
01:07There were a lot of law books at home.
01:10A lot of documents.
01:11So, that kind of piqued my interest.
01:13So, I like to read his books.
01:15Actually, my dad didn't allow me to become a lawyer in the beginning.
01:20Why?
01:21Because he said I was suitable to be a doctor.
01:25You know how Asian parents are?
01:27It's either doctor, lawyer, engineer and accountant.
01:32Or scientist.
01:34But I wanted to be a lawyer.
01:36Then my dad said, okay.
01:38You do what you want as long as you're happy.
01:40At that time, I wasn't really exposed to becoming a lawyer.
01:44So, I did my own research.
01:46I googled how life is as a lawyer.
01:48So, I'm kind of interested in it.
01:50And you're okay with the lifestyle that they have?
01:52Yeah.
01:53So, as we know, we have a lot of types of lawyers.
01:57So, which kind of lawyer are you?
01:59What kind of case do you do?
02:00I do mainly civil litigation.
02:04Criminal.
02:05But it's just a little bit.
02:06Civil litigation.
02:07So, if there's a process of comfortable lawsuit.
02:09I'm the person.
02:10You should find me.
02:11If I'm sued or I want to sue someone.
02:13I should find you?
02:14Yes, lawsuit and comfortable.
02:15So, contract violation.
02:17Employment law.
02:18There are fraud cases.
02:20I do all of that.
02:21If it's criminal, I'm more for assisting my boss.
02:24You guys.
02:25Including you.
02:26Who likes to take advantage of other people's wives.
02:28Take other people's wives.
02:29Can be sentenced to 2 years in prison or both.
02:34Let's talk a bit about your experience.
02:36How many years have you been a lawyer?
02:382 years.
02:39Just 2 years?
02:40What?
02:41After grad?
02:42Just.
02:43Okay, 2 years after grad.
02:44Yes.
02:45Okay.
02:46How long did it take you to learn to be a lawyer?
02:47Learn to be a lawyer.
02:49Learn to be a lawyer.
02:50So, my journey.
02:51I did A-Levels.
02:52Back then, I wanted to go to the UK.
02:55You wanted to go to the UK to see your boyfriend.
02:56Follow your boyfriend.
02:57Actually, you know what?
02:58It's normal.
02:59No, no.
03:01So, I studied A-Levels.
03:03For 2 years.
03:04At that time, right after SPM.
03:06I got an interview from JPA.
03:09So, Alhamdulillah.
03:10I got the scholarship.
03:11Okay.
03:12So, JPA has sponsored this.
03:13A-Level for 2 years.
03:14So, I didn't get it.
03:16I didn't get to fly off.
03:18Oh, why?
03:19I used to play a lot.
03:21Huh?
03:22I used to play a lot.
03:23Oh, really?
03:24No, no.
03:25Just a little bit.
03:27Before you became a lawyer?
03:32No wonder I feel like you're charming.
03:34Your face is charming.
03:35You look like you're tired.
03:38I'm just kidding.
03:39Look at his mother behind you.
03:40She's looking at the fan.
03:41Oh, my daughter.
03:43Okay, okay, okay.
03:44Okay.
03:45Okay, sorry.
03:46After A-Levels?
03:47Yes, after A-Levels.
03:48So, I looked for a local university that I could continue.
03:51So, I studied in UIA.
03:52Okay.
03:53Selamat Terbangsa University.
03:54I mean, UIA is not as bad compared to UK, right?
03:58It's very subjective.
03:59But if we study...
04:01This is for education for people out there, right?
04:04For those who don't know.
04:05So, for the younger ones who want to be lawyers, right?
04:07If you study in the UK,
04:10you study law degree for 3 years.
04:12If you study in Malaysia, you study for 4 years.
04:14Because in the 4th year, you study practical.
04:17If you study in the UK for 3 years,
04:19you can't continue to be a lawyer when you go back.
04:21You need to undergo CLP.
04:23CLP or BAR.
04:24So, CLP is done in Malaysia.
04:26BAR is done in the UK.
04:27So, after you graduate, you can be a lawyer.
04:31So, it's like one step.
04:32There's a little hurdle.
04:33Right, right, right.
04:34So, is it better to do it in Malaysia?
04:36Depends.
04:37Depends on your budget.
04:38Depends on what you want in life.
04:41If you want a different experience,
04:43you want to meet different people,
04:45different background experience,
04:46different culture,
04:47go ahead.
04:48Study overseas.
04:49If you want to be a lawyer quickly,
04:51study locally.
04:52Study locally quickly.
04:53Understand, understand.
04:54So, in Yasmin's experience in 2 years
04:57as a lawyer, as an official lawyer,
05:00do you have any case that you've handled
05:02that made an impression on you
05:04that you still remember to this day?
05:06To this day?
05:07Okay, this case is not a high-profile,
05:10big case.
05:11It's not like that, right?
05:12But it left a mark.
05:14Because this is the first case that I handled
05:18that I went to trial,
05:19which is I had to question the witness.
05:22Oh my God.
05:23By myself.
05:24Because usually,
05:25if I make a case,
05:26I'm just assisting my boss.
05:28Helping my boss, right?
05:29Like this case,
05:30I did it myself.
05:31Okay.
05:32Because I don't want people to see
05:33that I'm nervous, you know.
05:34I'm like this,
05:35reading the questions.
05:36As a lawyer, you have to be confident, right?
05:37Yes, I have to look confident, right?
05:38Yes, yes.
05:39Because the client is behind,
05:40he can see.
05:41I asked his name,
05:43asked his age.
05:44It started off nervous.
05:45But then,
05:46after five minutes,
05:47I'm like, you know what?
05:48I got this.
05:49Bring out the boss' energy.
05:51And then,
05:52I remember that case the most
05:53because first,
05:54of course, it's my first trial.
05:55Second,
05:56after we talked,
05:57after the trial,
05:58I had to do a test, you know.
05:59Yes.
06:00Like a submission, right?
06:01To summarize everything that happened
06:03during the trial.
06:04So, at that time,
06:05I was in the hospital.
06:06There was a surgery.
06:07Oh, okay.
06:08So,
06:09I did that
06:11on my hospital bed.
06:12Oh, my God.
06:13And I won that case.
06:16So, that's why it's very memorable.
06:17I see.
06:18From the first OKT,
06:19to the fifth OKT,
06:21which continued to put a stray car
06:23all over Simati's body,
06:25including Simati's embarrassment,
06:27showing
06:28without mercy.
06:30Recently,
06:31Yasmin went viral
06:32because you made a video summary
06:34of the decision of the late Zulfarhan's case.
06:36Yes.
06:37What are your comments
06:38about the final decision,
06:40the court decision?
06:41My comments?
06:42I didn't expect the video to be viral.
06:43It's like a record.
06:44Oh, my God.
06:45One million, I think.
06:46That's crazy.
06:47I didn't expect it.
06:48Just a normal sharing.
06:49Okay.
06:50I believe
06:51the Court of Appeal
06:52has given a verdict
06:55based on evidence,
06:57based on what has been stated.
07:01So, I believe
07:02they have reached
07:03the decision accordingly.
07:04I think we should respect
07:06the court's decision.
07:07So, there's no point
07:08of us trying to
07:09have a dialogue
07:10in terms of
07:11trying to help
07:12or wanting
07:13one end to change their mind,
07:14for example.
07:15No point.
07:16What is your comment
07:17when there are parties
07:18who disagree
07:19with the death penalty?
07:21The death penalty.
07:22It's getting hot.
07:25They attribute
07:26the death penalty
07:27as not a fair and effective
07:29solution.
07:30What are your thoughts on that?
07:32Okay.
07:33So, the court has issued
07:34a statement
07:35based on
07:36their belief
07:38that the death penalty
07:39shouldn't be imposed.
07:41Okay.
07:42So, I'm not commenting
07:43on their conduct
07:44or the crime.
07:45It's about
07:46the death penalty itself.
07:48That's my view.
07:50I may not personally
07:51agree to it
07:52but it's their opinion.
07:53In the Malaysian law,
07:54the Federal Constitution,
07:57Article 10,
07:58everyone has the right
08:00to express their opinion.
08:02It's their right to say it.
08:03Or in English,
08:04it's called
08:05an eye for an eye.
08:06Am I right?
08:07If you do this,
08:08you have to do that.
08:09That's right.
08:10But Sean,
08:11because the court
08:12has made a decision,
08:13so I believe
08:14the court of appeal
08:17is right.
08:18We should respect
08:19the court's decision.
08:20But again,
08:21everyone has
08:22their own opinion
08:23and the right to express
08:24whatever they want to.
08:25That's your opinion.
08:26So, if
08:27the death penalty
08:28can't be imposed,
08:29what other
08:30suitable punishment
08:31for that issue
08:32that we're talking about?
08:34That's my opinion.
08:35It's a reason.
08:36A reason?
08:37Is it enough?
08:38I feel like it's not enough.
08:39What do you think?
08:40I don't know.
08:41A reason is quite severe.
08:43If it's just one time,
08:44I don't think it's okay.
08:45Two or three times
08:46is not enough.
08:4720?
08:4820 times.
08:49If you watch the video,
08:50I'm not sure if you guys
08:51have watched the video
08:52about the reason.
08:53There's a reason
08:54on your back.
08:55Yup.
08:56Yeah.
08:57So, imagine 20.
08:58Someone can faint.
09:00I think from there,
09:01they can feel the pain.
09:03You did it.
09:04You ironed it.
09:05It's a reason.
09:06They're used to it.
09:08Even at home,
09:09it's because of them.
09:10That's 10% of them.
09:12So, like,
09:13okay, okay.
09:14So, you think
09:15it's a very good
09:16alternative?
09:17Alternatively, yes.
09:35Since the High Court
09:36has decided to make,
09:38to choose
09:39whether to impose
09:40a death penalty
09:41or not,
09:42does this mean
09:43that the death penalty
09:45is exempted?
09:46Is this still effective
09:47or what?
09:48Okay.
09:49The death penalty
09:50in Malaysia
09:51before this,
09:52there was a mandatory death penalty.
09:54So, after,
09:55if I'm not mistaken,
09:56in June,
09:57the mandatory death penalty
09:58has been exempted.
09:59So,
10:00the death penalty
10:01has been exempted.
10:02Okay.
10:03So,
10:04the death penalty
10:05has been exempted.
10:06By exempted,
10:07I don't mean
10:08that the death penalty
10:09is not there.
10:10The death penalty
10:11is still there.
10:12The only difference
10:13is that now,
10:14judges
10:15can make a choice.
10:16There's an alternative.
10:17They can choose
10:18the death penalty
10:19or life imprisonment.
10:20Before this,
10:21if there was a mandatory death penalty,
10:22for example,
10:23in the murder case,
10:24so, the judge,
10:25whether he wants it or not,
10:26the death penalty
10:27has to be imposed.
10:28So, now,
10:29the judge can choose
10:30to choose
10:31the death penalty
10:32or life imprisonment.
10:33So, the death penalty
10:34is still there?
10:35Yes, it's still there.
10:36Okay.
10:37So,
10:38have you got a chance
10:39to talk
10:40to people
10:41in the centres?
10:42Back then,
10:43I was an intern.
10:44That was
10:45my second year,
10:46I think.
10:47Third year,
10:48I was an intern
10:49at the Batu Pahat Johor court.
10:50Okay.
10:51Then,
10:52I had a visit
10:53at the prison.
10:54So,
10:55I don't know,
10:56I just chatted a bit.
10:57So,
10:58we're not allowed to.
10:59I asked,
11:00how is the food here?
11:01Is it good?
11:02He said,
11:03it's good.
11:04Okay.
11:05That's all I asked.
11:06I understand.
11:08I asked,
11:09how do they treat you here?
11:10He said,
11:11so far, it's okay.
11:12They're just bored.
11:13They don't want to do anything.
11:14That's true.
11:15They don't know what to do.
11:16But,
11:17there are activities.
11:18Sometimes,
11:19they sew,
11:20plant.
11:21Okay.
11:32Talking about this OKTV,
11:33Yeah.
11:34I noticed,
11:35they have different colours.
11:36Yes.
11:37They have orange,
11:38blue,
11:39white.
11:40Does it have a meaning?
11:41It must have a meaning, right?
11:42Of course.
11:43Different colours
11:44carry a different meaning.
11:45Okay, I understand.
11:46It's like this,
11:47the orange colour,
11:48the orange colour,
11:49I usually see it
11:50in the news,
11:51right?
11:52It's usually orange.
11:53This orange colour,
11:54it has a different meaning.
11:55Okay, I understand.
11:56It's like this,
11:57the orange colour,
11:58the orange colour,
11:59I usually see it
12:00in the news, right?
12:01This orange colour,
12:02it's still
12:03in police custody.
12:04Okay.
12:05It's not a convict.
12:06Then,
12:07the purple colour,
12:08it's still in remand.
12:09Then,
12:10it's an ongoing case.
12:11So,
12:12for example,
12:13it's still in trial.
12:14It hasn't been sentenced yet
12:15if it's purple.
12:16Then,
12:17what else?
12:18White.
12:19Yes, white.
12:20If it's white,
12:21it has been sentenced.
12:22That's for a short sentence.
12:23Less than six months,
12:24I think.
12:25Oh, okay.
12:26Short term sentence.
12:27Short term.
12:28It will wear white.
12:29Then,
12:30red colour.
12:31Okay, the first rank,
12:33the sentence is a bit longer.
12:35It was more than six months, right?
12:37Yes, it was
12:38less than six months.
12:39This one is more.
12:40More than six months.
12:41And the next one is green.
12:42That was the first rank.
12:44The second rank,
12:45it's more than six months too.
12:47So, that's green.
12:48Yes.
12:49Green.
12:50The first stage is red
12:51and then green.
12:52There are two.
12:53There are two greens.
12:54Light green and light green.
12:55The light green,
12:56the old green,
12:57I explained earlier.
12:58The light green
13:00is for the people
13:01who are on the way
13:02to get out.
13:03To get out.
13:04So, like this colour.
13:05Is this the colour?
13:06Yes.
13:07So, I'm on the way
13:08to get out.
13:09No, I think that
13:10that colour is green.
13:11This one?
13:12Green.
13:13This kind of green.
13:14But I think
13:15this colour is okay.
13:16This colour is okay, right?
13:17You guys give Sean
13:18a life jacket.
13:19Guys.
13:22Okay.
13:23The next one is blue.
13:25Okay.
13:26Blue is a life sentence.
13:27It's just a punishment
13:28but like
13:29for life.
13:30Yes, for life.
13:31He becomes a resident there.
13:32He becomes a resident there.
13:34Resident.
13:35The most memorable one
13:36is the white one.
13:37His collar is red.
13:38His arms are red.
13:39That's for
13:40he's on the way
13:41to Gantung.
13:42Gantung.
13:43I understand.
13:44Okay.
13:45I have a question.
13:46Okay.
13:47I think this is
13:48a common question
13:49that I think is popular
13:50to ask a lawyer.
13:51Actually.
13:52Okay.
13:53Is it true
13:54if you become
13:55a lawyer
13:56and
13:57if the accused
13:58is actually
13:59guilty
14:00and you
14:01as a lawyer
14:02have to find
14:03a way to prove
14:04that he's not guilty
14:05and like
14:06you have to prove
14:07he's innocent
14:08in a way.
14:09So,
14:10you already know
14:11that he's really guilty.
14:12Is it your job
14:13to make sure
14:14he's punished?
14:15Like that.
14:16This is actually
14:17a common misconception
14:18because
14:19our job
14:20is not to
14:21determine
14:22our client
14:23guilty
14:24or innocent.
14:25That's the job
14:26of the judge.
14:27Our job
14:28is to ensure
14:29that our client
14:30is not guilty
14:31or innocent.
14:32Our job
14:33is to ensure
14:34that our client
14:35is not guilty
14:36or innocent.
14:37Our job
14:38is to ensure
14:39that our client
14:40is not guilty
14:41or innocent.
14:42Our job
14:43is to ensure
14:44that our client
14:45is not guilty
14:46or innocent.
14:47Our job
14:48is to ensure
14:49that our client
14:50is not guilty
14:51or innocent.
14:52Our job
14:53is to ensure
14:54that our client
14:55is not guilty
14:57and determined
14:58he's guilty
14:59or innocent
15:00by the judge.
15:02Okay, usually
15:03when we want to
15:05court a lawyer
15:06or to defend an organization
15:08what is the range
15:09of price
15:12that is needed
15:13to have the information
15:14of the criminal?
15:15Because truth be told
15:16like sometimes
15:17I feel like
15:19there's no need
15:20for a lawyer
15:21because they don't
15:22know what the prices are.
15:23They're afraid of prices
15:24because
15:25But as far as I know, the longer the case is, obviously, you have to pay more, right?
15:31If you look at the fee of lawyers, it's actually really subjective.
15:36It depends on the cases, it depends on the complexity of the case,
15:42and the experience of the lawyer himself.
15:45So, for example, if the lawyer has 30 years of experience,
15:48compared to the one who just started,
15:51obviously, the one with 30 years of experience will charge more.
15:54Because they have more experience,
15:57they have a better reputation.
16:00But that doesn't mean that the new lawyer is not good.
16:03That's right, I agree.
16:08For the viewers here who need to hire a lawyer and are afraid of being expensive,
16:12you can always shop around, you can always ask for a quotation.
16:15But for certain lawyers, if you want to give advice,
16:21you want to consult first with your case.
16:23So, obviously, you need their time, right?
16:25Like an hour, you consult with them.
16:27So, probably, that time, maybe they will charge, I don't know,
16:30RM500, RM1,000, just to listen to your case.
16:33Just to listen first.
16:35And then from there, they will give you a quotation.
16:37Okay, Sean, from what I understand from your case,
16:41this is the quotation, that's all.
16:43Do you agree?
16:44If you don't agree, you don't agree.
16:45Okay, then I will go and find another lawyer if I want to.
16:48Sometimes, there are lawyers who don't even charge the consultation fees.
16:51So, it really depends on the firm.
16:53I see.
16:53Does your firm charge the consultation fees?
16:56You have to ask my boss.
16:59It's like I'm interviewing to find my own lawyer, right?
17:03Okay.
17:04It depends, it really depends.
17:06This one is a bit hard because we want to talk about netizens.
17:11I'm ready.
17:11Okay.
17:12Netizens always label being a lawyer as a step in hell.
17:17What do you think about this statement, I guess?
17:20It's actually not the first time we've heard this.
17:23It's a norm, actually.
17:24When I was young, I wanted to be a lawyer.
17:27Then there were some individuals who said,
17:30if you want to be a lawyer, you're a step in hell.
17:33But personally, I didn't feel that way from the start.
17:35Because it's very subjective.
17:37In all professions, if you're not safe, Sean, you can go to hell.
17:42I understand.
17:43Am I right?
17:44I assume this is from a Muslim, right?
17:47Then if all Muslims say that,
17:51then who's going to fight for justice?
17:53That's true.
17:54No Muslim lawyer is going to fight for justice.
17:56True.
17:57Am I right?
17:58So, that's something to think about.
18:00Okay, in your point of view,
18:02why do you think people label lawyers as such?
18:05It's because of the criminal case.
18:07Like, back to your question just now,
18:09about if you defend the wrong person.
18:11Yeah.
18:12But then they don't realise that lawyers are so many branches.
18:14It's criminal, it's civil,
18:16the one who does the SPA, the one who does the land.
18:19There's a lot more.
18:21You need lawyers for everything, basically.
18:23For everything.
18:23And even for criminals,
18:25it's not helping the defendants.
18:26You need to make sure everything happens
18:29in the proceedings,
18:31according to the procedure,
18:32according to the law.
18:35I want to ask you one personal question, Ashley.
18:37If you, as a lawyer,
18:40get a case,
18:42you know this guy is wrong,
18:44but the payout is good,
18:46he paid Yasmin,
18:49will you take the case?
18:51Every time we file a case,
18:53there's no guarantee you'll win.
18:54It's always 50-50.
18:55True.
18:56So, I'll tell you, I'll do my best,
18:58not to defend you until you get out,
19:00until you don't get that punishment.
19:03But I'll do my best to ensure
19:05your right as a defendant
19:08will last throughout the proceedings.
19:12I see.
19:13So, in conclusion, you'll take the case?
19:18It's hard to answer, right?
19:20A bit hard to answer, right?
19:21I didn't say yes.
19:22I'm just explaining.
19:22Easy.
19:24Lawyer, bro.
19:25Lawyer, bro.
19:27I want to know the legal meaning
19:29of the legal meaning of
19:32life imprisonment.
19:34Ah, okay.
19:35So, a lot of people,
19:36not just you,
19:38are not sure what it means
19:41in totality.
19:42Life imprisonment,
19:44Sean,
19:44is actually a 30-year imprisonment.
19:47Oh, so it's only 30 years?
19:48Yes.
19:50For as long as he lives,
19:52it's a life imprisonment.
19:55So, when you want to tell your partner,
19:59don't say I've loved you for a lifetime,
20:02because it's only 30 years.
20:04I've loved you for as long as I live.
20:07That's forever.
20:08But if it's a lifetime,
20:09it's until you die.
20:10If I want to go beyond that?
20:12Beyond that?
20:13Because I think,
20:14when we're in the afterlife,
20:16we don't need these partners anymore.
20:17Really?
20:18Because we're just focusing on God.
20:20We don't need all of this.
20:21Oh, my God.
20:26Okay.
20:27Last, maybe you can give some advice
20:29or tips for those out there
20:32who are interested in becoming a lawyer,
20:33who wants to be like you.
20:34Maybe you can share with them.
20:35You want to be like me?
20:37A lawyer?
20:38Okay.
20:39First of all,
20:41to become a lawyer,
20:43sometimes I get DMs on Instagram,
20:45asking if I need to memorize a lot
20:47or memorize a lot.
20:51Because I can't memorize a lot.
20:52I think the most important thing
20:54when you want to become a lawyer,
20:55you have to read diligently.
20:56Not memorize, but read.
20:58Understand.
20:59Because to become a lawyer,
21:00you need to have a critical mind
21:02to solve problems.
21:03Because being a lawyer is to solve cases.
21:05Like you came to me,
21:07I need to solve your problem, Sean.
21:08Is that right?
21:08That's right.
21:09So, develop that skill.
21:11Study hard.
21:11Oh, my God. It's like a cliché.
21:12Study hard.
21:13But it's true.
21:14A cliché is a true thing.
21:15A true thing is a true thing.
21:16Yeah, there's a reason it's a cliché.
21:18Focus on your goal.
21:19Don't be distracted out there.
21:24Distraction.
21:24Those who can't go to the UK,
21:25just understand.
21:27Don't repeat my mistake.
21:29But then again, for every mistake,
21:30there must be wisdom behind it.
21:33I'm just lucky enough
21:35to be given a second chance.
21:37Nice.
21:37If you want to be a lawyer,
21:38be a good lawyer.
21:40Don't be a lawyer for...
21:42What?
21:43You know, like,
21:44have a right mind.
21:45You know, I think my advice is
21:46have a right mind, okay?
21:48You don't think so?
21:49I think so.
21:50You think so?
21:53Be a fair lawyer.
21:54Yeah, be a proper lawyer.
21:56Proper, yeah.
21:57For the greater good.
21:58For the greater good, that's right.
22:00Alright, thank you so much for joining us, Yasmin.
22:02Thank you, Sean, for having me.
22:03Thank you so much.
22:03That's all the time we have.
22:04Alright, guys,
22:05if you want to watch our full interview,
22:07as usual,
22:08gempar.com slash gemparmostwanted
22:09is all there for you guys, okay?
22:11Once again, Yasmin, thank you.
22:12Thank you, thank you so much, Sean.
22:14Alright, guys, back to the studio.
22:16Let's go.