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00:00:00You
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00:02:20Said don't fucking move
00:02:31I
00:02:55Was your full name
00:02:58You wet your bloody self, huh?
00:03:07Who are you?
00:03:08This is stuff. Yeah shorty got everything that wasn't nailed in daddy Fleming. This is your life
00:03:17Thank birth
00:03:20Date of birth second of all to 1956 you live at this address. Yes. Do you want in this place? Mr. Fleming?
00:03:27No, no rent. How was it? Please? Okay. What's written? You know, we were it was a
00:03:34Reasonable
00:03:37What a fence
00:03:39You're joking
00:03:40Look, I'm sorry. I didn't realize who you were, but you did break down my door. Look, please. What's all this about?
00:03:46Have you got anything here that you shouldn't have?
00:03:51Remember he's only a suspect
00:03:54Well, I haven't stolen anything
00:03:57What's he doing?
00:03:59Look, he's taking my things. Mr. Fleming. We'd like you to come down to our office. We've got a few questions to put to you
00:04:05What office where now the station mr. Flem? Why do I have to?
00:04:09Well, you can ask me anything you want here. I mean, what do you want to know? It's a bit more complicated than that. Mr
00:04:18You don't have a choice, right? Yeah, I'm sorry
00:04:20I'm look I can't go like this. Can I change my clothes, please?
00:04:41Okay, I didn't realize
00:04:46Don't need to do this
00:04:48Just get on with it
00:04:49Yeah
00:05:04I'm somebody help me, please
00:05:06I
00:05:12Don't know
00:05:18Mr. Fleming, are you alright? What is this?
00:05:23I'll be back soon, and then I'll explain. I'm really sorry
00:05:28Taking mr. Fleming away
00:05:36I
00:06:02See I'd be
00:06:06I
00:06:20Do your lucky shoes I tell you that
00:06:26Where'd you get them?
00:06:29They've judge David Jones really
00:06:36I
00:07:06I
00:07:21You want a coffee
00:07:27Sure you want to wet your pants
00:07:37I
00:07:52I'm sorry to keep you waiting for so long. Mr. Fleming. I'm sure you understand
00:07:57Well, no, no, I don't understand
00:08:00You're here to help us with our inquiries
00:08:04What inquiries?
00:08:07I
00:08:09There's a coffee mr. Fleming, it's fine
00:08:14Think I'll be here very long that depends none of mr. Fleming depends on what?
00:08:21Do you think I could get these off please
00:08:33Okay
00:08:37You drive a car mr. Fleming
00:08:39Can I don't ever owned a car? Yes, of course
00:08:44Till I was retrenched
00:08:46Can't run a car on the dog
00:08:49No, I don't suppose you can
00:08:51Bit tough is it? No, it's just one of the many things you find you can actually do without
00:08:56I
00:09:06Senior detective to you. Yes, sir
00:09:10newspapers
00:09:11Yeah, right. I want you to go through every single one of them all up every single bloody one
00:09:17You better not miss anything. Yes, sir
00:09:20It's gotta be thousands of us. I
00:09:23Used to live well good job, you know
00:09:26Everything went down the drain. No, it's just nothing
00:09:31I was one of 200 retrenched in the company. I lost my house and my wife
00:09:38No, I lost it all
00:09:41Was that a crime
00:09:44No, mr. Fleming, it's not and you're right. There are a lot of people in a similar position. I
00:09:50Got a brother-in-law in the same situation
00:09:53I perhaps
00:09:55But he's not sitting in a police station talking to the likes of you
00:10:01No, no, he's not
00:10:05Who are you I mean, what do you really want?
00:10:16I'm gonna start a formal interview. Mr. Fleming
00:10:20I
00:10:22Craft something to eat, please not bloody likely that I haven't eaten anything since yesterday afternoon. I see what we can do
00:10:33Interview between detective sergeant John Steele and Edward Fleming Melbourne CIB
00:10:38Detective senior constable Wayne Pryor also a president. What is your full and correct name?
00:10:43Edward Rodney Fleming, do you agree? The time is now 7 57 a.m
00:10:49Yes
00:10:50Mr. Fleming, I
00:10:52Intend to ask him his questions in relation to the theft of motor vehicle registration number KCR
00:10:59109
00:11:01What's stolen car?
00:11:05Well, you break down my door for a stolen car and you handcuffed me for a stolen car
00:11:11Down please. Mr. Fleming sit down, please. I
00:11:14I must advise you that you do not have to say I'll do anything
00:11:18But anything you say or do may be given in evidence. Do you understand that?
00:11:22I believe this good and you won't have a problem. Tell me about your movements. Will you know?
00:11:27I don't have a problem telling you anything if only you'll actually ask me something
00:11:33Did you go out yesterday
00:11:38Yesterday yes, I went to the local grocery ship and what'd you get?
00:11:44My tin food, no newspapers milk, that's a thing
00:11:49Why do you shop at the local grocery shop?
00:11:52And get a bit more expensive in the supermarket, you know for somebody that's on the doll
00:11:57Well, if I'm running a bit short, they let me have a tab
00:12:01And I'm like them. They're friendly
00:12:04Is that why you shop there every day? Is it someone to talk to?
00:12:08I've never really thought about it for but yeah, I suppose that's part of it. I
00:12:12Mean you try losing your job livelihood your family you see how many friends you got left not many I guess
00:12:21Do you agree that the time is now
00:12:24759 I am
00:12:26Yes, I intend to interrupt this interview the purpose of making further inquiries
00:12:34What is that it
00:12:36What about the stolen car, what about it you're gonna ask mr. Christians about it
00:12:44All in good time, mr. Fleming
00:12:53That rattled the bastard
00:12:55There's nothing from the other tenants pretty straight. What do you think? No, he's a clean-skinned
00:13:00Get somebody back there. Check out his local shops. Let's dig in these people
00:13:06Yeah, we've done a lot. I don't know about dates and times. I don't know what they think of him anything
00:13:11They might have noticed why we're wasting our time with this. Come on. He's our man. Let me talk for a bit. Will you please?
00:13:17Fleming might well be a car thief. Well, we can't make this stand up in court and we got nothing
00:13:21You understand that fair guys do you got that?
00:13:23Yes, John. Perfect. All right, then you keep the bloody mouth shut and just get on with it
00:13:36You
00:14:06Anything I
00:14:08wish
00:14:09Just a little short on bloody evidence. Oh, yeah, like being a little bit pregnant
00:14:13Yeah, okay. Well, he's the closest fit we've got
00:14:17All right
00:14:18Go to John's thoughts
00:14:21Well, you better ask him sir
00:14:22Is there a problem?
00:14:25Well, sir, all I can say is it's a pity that I'd still run refresher courses
00:14:36I
00:14:50Thank you for coming in at such short notice mrs. Beacon not at all
00:14:54Now, we're not necessarily all that advanced from when we last spoke
00:14:58We need you to look at some items over here and see if you recognize any of them. Are you up to that?
00:15:02I hope I can be of some help
00:15:06Today
00:15:08Look just have a seat in for us. Yeah, can we get a cup of tea cup of coffee or something?
00:15:16Now look, these are all the items we'd like to have a look at now, there's no hurry
00:15:20You just take your time, but it's important that if there is anything here from your husband's car that you do identify
00:15:26I'll do my best. All right, just take it
00:15:36I
00:15:41Keep a close eye on it. No prompting. All right. Yeah
00:15:59What's that bastard Danny the hierarchy gave him permission it's got nothing to do with me
00:16:05He's gonna do a feature article on crime squads, hmm the hierarchy, huh?
00:16:10Make sure he spells your name, right? Might be your name as well
00:16:13He's been asking me about one of your inquiries wants to talk to you
00:16:17Now you don't get fucked
00:16:19He's got permission. So you'll live with that
00:16:22Having a time for this shit
00:16:27Mate I deal with thieves all the time
00:16:30Frankly, I respect a good thief
00:16:33But liars, I just can't stand I said I would help if I could and I mean it
00:16:39But how can I help if I don't know anything? I just want to get this over with please good
00:16:47Mr. Fleming we're concerned with a theft of motor vehicle as I've mentioned in particular a two-tone
00:16:53Eh old and station wagon registration number KCR
00:16:58109 yeah, I told you I don't know anything about it
00:17:03Have you been out of town recently
00:17:05How recent oh, it's only the last month or so
00:17:08Yes, I took the train to Ballarat. Oh, you do a bit of country traveling there
00:17:14Occasionally just to get away, you know, how do you manage that on the doll? I
00:17:20Couldn't do that I wasn't
00:17:23Give you cheap travel when you're unemployed and subsidize you when you're looking for work. Oh, that's why you're up there. Yes
00:17:30And when exactly did you go to Ballarat
00:17:34Two or three months ago. I'm not sure of the date. Well, you must have some idea. You said you're out there looking for work
00:17:40You must have had an appointment. Nice seasonal work. Can you just knock on the door? I was too late
00:17:47It must be frustrating. I
00:17:49Know not really
00:17:51And when you're alone no job
00:17:53You have to make the effort
00:17:56And what efforts it
00:17:58to get out and about and
00:18:01Keep in tune with people the outside world
00:18:04And what was this seasonal work? It's been a fruit picking
00:18:08What in Ballarat that shape country in it? Yes. I also grow olives up there
00:18:15So how long did you stay?
00:18:18Just the one night I think and then I caught the train straight back
00:18:22All right. Can you remember the date that you went? Mr. Fleming?
00:18:25Yeah, that would be helpful
00:18:28Today is the 14th
00:18:40Been
00:18:4221st best of my recollections
00:18:45Actually, I stayed away for two nights. No, not just the one good
00:18:50Would you stay?
00:18:53Salvation Army hostel. Thank God for the salaries
00:19:02This is the car is it
00:19:07I'm sorry. I don't know you sure
00:19:11Who am I supposed to have seen it?
00:19:14You've never been anything. No, how could I have been but there must be thousands of those Holden's out there
00:19:20I'll tell you I've never been in any of them
00:19:23Is that it?
00:19:25No, no, not quite
00:19:27Could we get you another cup of coffee, mr. Fleming?
00:19:30This is gonna go on much longer. I'm gonna have to have something to eat if that's possible. Yeah, sure. I'll see what we can do
00:19:37I'm interrupting this interview for the purpose of making further inquiries
00:19:52I
00:20:01Know
00:20:03Never identified a bloody thing. How's she cut?
00:20:06Not real. Well, I'm gonna get some of the stuff sent over the forensic. I need this checked
00:20:12Now getting somewhere pretty admits. He's been to Ballarat. Does he?
00:20:17There we go train ticket to Ballarat dated the 21st
00:20:21So far as the truth tell I've checked his local grocer
00:20:24I reckon he's a top bloke
00:20:26He never misses a day unless he's crook always pays his bill polite friendly bloody fucking blast sort of asshole. You really can't stand
00:20:33Some of the handwriting samples from the apartment are similar to the ones we've got
00:20:37Right, I'll let the ring keep working on him for a while
00:20:40What else?
00:20:42Well, I got perhaps head down ass up in the newspapers. So far. They're all there for the relevant dates, which doesn't help our case
00:20:48And uh, it's not much else at the moment
00:20:52See what I'll do. I'll get Ballarat CIB to check out the salvo's and I'll give the railways a call
00:20:57And I flick it to pray us
00:20:59Fleming's the only sort of person the more he's encouraged the more he talks
00:21:07John how you going?
00:21:09What can I do for you?
00:21:11Inspector Jackson said I might have a word with you. Oh, is that right? That's bloody big of you
00:21:16Listen, mate. Give me a ring later in the day. Well, you're gonna need if you don't mind
00:21:20Wouldn't be the beecrop like with it. I saw his missus in here
00:21:24You know, I always thought he might have done a runner
00:21:28Now, how would you know it was his missus? I heard the name just assumed, you know, no, I don't know
00:21:36It's not beecroft is it
00:21:40A bigger fish
00:21:43You gotta hide like a bloody rhinoceros, haven't you?
00:21:46The last story you did on this office
00:21:49You published a photo you nicked off my desk. You killed the whole bloody inquiry. Well, I wonder you haven't been returning my calls
00:21:56Now what makes you think I nicked it? Listen, don't come that bloody line with me
00:22:02This wouldn't have something to do a little closet copper sitting over there now would it?
00:22:05Hey, I know half the coppers in the job including you
00:22:13Still in one piece is he
00:22:35Interview between the deputy sergeant John Steele Edward Rodney Fleming
00:22:41Recommenced time is now 8 48 a.m
00:22:45Tep senior customer Wayne prior also present
00:22:49Mr. Fleming, have you ever heard of an Andrew beecroft?
00:22:53Andrew beecroft
00:22:55No, I don't think so
00:22:57Where should I know him from? Well, you both got something in common. I did. Yeah
00:23:03You both had a work
00:23:06I say look I don't have something to read soon. Yes, it's on its way
00:23:11We'd like you to have a look at this mr. Fleming
00:23:17What is it well, what does it say
00:23:24It's a transfer document for a motor vehicle
00:23:30For the record, it's the transfer of ownership of mr. Beecroft's car
00:23:36registration number
00:23:37KCR
00:23:39109
00:23:42So what's it got to do with me can you read the signatures on the bottom
00:23:49Hey beecroft and
00:23:52Now Peter Williams a
00:23:55Few months ago. Mr. Beecroft was driving to Horsham to start a new job like granary
00:24:01When for no apparent reason he just sold his car to a bloke called Peter Williams
00:24:07Who sold it to a cocky install?
00:24:11Don't understand. Oh, yes. You do. Mr. Fleming. Have another look at the transfer document. Well, what am I supposed to be looking for?
00:24:23Williams tried to make it look like beecroft had signed the car over to him
00:24:28Now forensic have had a look at that document and we know that both those signatures were forged
00:24:35really
00:24:37What's that got to do with me? Have you ever used the name Peter Williams?
00:24:41No, of course not. I've only got one name and it's Fleming. Well, I ever heard your name change. No
00:24:46Have you used an alias? Absolutely not. That's outrageous. I ask you to have another look at those signatures
00:24:53Do you recognize either of them?
00:24:55Hey beecroft and Peter Williams are just names to me. Why am I supposed to recognize them?
00:25:05That's from my notebook, yes, we picked it up at your place this morning. What are you doing?
00:25:14Come on mr. Fleming, you know
00:25:16Well
00:25:20You're gonna tell me that my writings the same as these signatures I mean
00:25:24Goodness, like they don't even look the same. They're both your handwriting. Mr. Fleming
00:25:29This is a lie. I don't believe you. What is this? You know much about the characteristics of handwriting. Yeah, mr. Fleming
00:25:34Look, please. I don't understand. I didn't steal any car
00:25:37And I don't know any Andrew beecroft or Peter Williams and that handwriting is nothing like mine. Look at it
00:25:47Rental agreement on my flat. What are you doing with it? We got it from your estate agent a while back
00:25:53Look, I think you better tell me exactly what this is about
00:26:00Would you care to have a look at the handwriting on the transfer document again
00:26:04Now our handwriting experts have made a detailed comparison
00:26:09It's your handwriting
00:26:11Well, maybe you better get new handwriting experts cuz I've never seen that slip and I never wrote those signatures
00:26:18We got something else here for you
00:26:20I'd like to see if you can identify this
00:26:24It's a letter
00:26:26Yeah, it's a letter. I
00:26:29Hope you're not suggesting this is also my handwriting. Well, that's what the document examination expert states. Well, then I'm sorry
00:26:36But it's completely wrong. I've never written like that in my life all the writing characteristics match up
00:26:41Same as the ones on the other documents here
00:26:47Well, maybe they're the same but I didn't write them look I'm sure you know, all right, no, no, that's all right, mr. Fleming
00:26:54But I must advise you
00:26:56That our forensic people are checking
00:26:59This writing paper against writing pads from your apartment to say if they're from the same source
00:27:04I did not write that letter and that is not my paper
00:27:08If you think you can intimidate me into saying whatever it is you want to hear then you can think again
00:27:18No one's trying to intimidate you mr. Fleming
00:27:21There's a certain questions that have to be put to you. That's my job
00:27:25You know, it's not much of a job
00:27:28Yes, well, sometimes it feels like that to me, too
00:27:33But look at the facts
00:27:35That letter was sent to be cross wife about eight weeks ago
00:27:39And it says that Lee Croft was supposedly doing a lot of driving around and he was so busy
00:27:45That he got Williams to write the letter
00:27:48It also says that he sold his car to Williams
00:27:52And what does that sound like to you?
00:27:55No, it sounds a bit thin like somebody's trying to cover up
00:28:00Yes, we think so, too
00:28:03It also sounds like somebody trying to buy a bit of time and we think that somebody is Peter Williams
00:28:10So what about Baker often? Well, why can't you ask him?
00:28:13Because I'm asking you
00:28:16Now we got a file here from the Central Bureau in Sydney
00:28:21And it appears from the computer print out that you had some dealings with the police in Galvin. Oh
00:28:26Oh
00:28:31Come on
00:28:35That was
00:28:37That was 26 years ago, I
00:28:40Used to cut for a joyride. I was 15. I
00:28:44Tried to run away from home. I was a kid for heaven's sake. I
00:28:49I
00:28:51Was having a few problems what I'm sorry what it's a crime to be 15. I mean what the hell is this got to do?
00:28:57It's me being here
00:28:59Well, what it's got to do with mr. Fleming is that you just told us you've never used an alias
00:29:05Are you joking? Look, I don't even remember I mean
00:29:09It's a common enough name there must be thousands of Peter Williams's around
00:29:14Yes, but there's only half a dozen ever used it as an alias and only one of them
00:29:19Matches the handwriting on these documents
00:29:23You actually think you know what you're doing don't you man you actually believe this
00:29:27But every every every even talked to Andrew Beecroft. I mean have every every even bothered
00:29:34I'd love to
00:29:37But I'm afraid it seems that mr. Beecroft's missing
00:29:43Ice missing just like that. You're telling me he's missing just like that
00:29:54I want to see a solicitor
00:29:57Certainly no problem
00:30:01Interview interrupted for mr. Fleming to contact a legal representative
00:30:06Do you agree that time is now?
00:30:088 59 I am yes. Thank you
00:30:12Say to it when you say you can't stop
00:30:20Now what were you running away from what you said you're trying to run away from her
00:30:29I've no idea. I was 15
00:30:33You know, I tried to run away when I was 15 I
00:30:37I
00:30:39Brought this little pup home from school one day
00:30:43Was a cute little thing
00:30:46My old man, he made me drown it I
00:30:50Remember it as clear as day
00:30:57Funny isn't it how the bad things that happened to you at that age. I seem to stay with you all your life. I
00:31:02I want to see us in this it
00:31:33There's a bloody phone book and there's the bloody phone
00:31:43It's under L the lawyer
00:31:54His first line
00:31:57You're old man that big a prick
00:32:00That bloody stupid man. Well, I may want to sit there and cried if anyone had been on the pump
00:32:06It's him
00:32:08It's bloody William
00:32:10Well, see
00:32:1326 years ago
00:32:16You've told me I'm gonna re-engulf and he goes back that far I'll briefly I told
00:32:22I
00:32:28Think we're gonna need a lot more time with him
00:32:31Peter the black Fleming sold the car to die and we had motorboats. Well, he's still got his statement
00:32:37Yeah, but that's not gonna do as much good as it in court without the man himself. Yeah, well
00:32:42His description doesn't quite look like Fleming to me
00:32:46Well, they asked me about a stolen car and then they said that the owner was missing
00:32:50And they keep on about handwriting
00:32:53No, I don't know what's happening. I can't handle it. I got enough to charge him with theft of the money vehicle
00:32:58The decision is can we take it any further? How sure are you about this?
00:33:02I mean we barked up the wrong tree on this one before. Oh, geez. What do you mean? We it wasn't my stuff
00:33:08No, I won't
00:33:11Okay
00:33:14I
00:33:17Someone is in
00:33:19Well
00:33:20You can wait for them
00:33:22In your birdcage. How's his demeanor?
00:33:25What's a solicitor so we have to wait for that?
00:33:29You can't shut him up. So he's tying himself to the story. Well, don't let him go cold
00:33:34Oh
00:33:41Christ it's like a fucking railway station around here. I thought I told you to piss off. I'll come off it
00:33:46You know, I'm gonna be of help to you here. I got my sources. I'm gonna be useful
00:33:52More ways than one
00:33:58Let me get rid of this asshole with you make yourself scarce
00:34:05So I had a cup of tea with supergrass, did you don't be a silly bastard I wouldn't put him in that category
00:34:12Or he might tell me who he was rooting but not who you got in the interview room
00:34:17Now I need to get a bit more on him before I can get him over that line yet. Yeah, I saw
00:34:22Where do you like steer training on interview techniques?
00:34:25Well funny I should mention that
00:34:27Because I was told that some of the young days think their sergeants need a refresher course in interviewing
00:34:33To bring them up to scratch
00:34:36Really really
00:34:43You do know which side your birds buttered don't you see you later
00:35:00Let's stretch our legs a bit
00:35:03We go
00:35:18You've been the job for five fucking minutes you think you know everything
00:35:22You say another word about me this investigation behind my back. I'll have you transferred out of here for good. You understand
00:35:29Understand. Yeah, okay
00:35:31Okay
00:35:34Loyalty is what I expect right and don't you ever forget it
00:35:38right
00:35:39Don't you ever gamble my future because you think you know more we can get away with something
00:35:44I've seen more shit than you can possibly imagine. All right. All right
00:35:48What's this all about?
00:35:50Talk to me. Talk to me steal right? There are too many people around here with their own agendas
00:35:55Don't don't you make the same mistake?
00:35:58A fresh of course my ass
00:36:00You
00:36:25Well, it's no good getting excited about handwriting it's highly disputable in a courtroom, it's not even a science
00:36:31It's just one experts opinion against another's they not yeah, but why are they doing this to me?
00:36:35Well, what's more important is can you verify where you were and what you were doing at the time?
00:36:39Well, yes, I took the train to Ballarat
00:36:42I told them where I stayed and I can check check it all that puts you in the vicinity at the time
00:36:47So I advise you to make absolutely no comment. Mr. Fleming. I know how these bastards operate, but I never saw the car
00:36:54Let alone this missing person. I'll be going nowhere with that. There's dozens of reasons why people go missing usually domestic or financial
00:37:01Is
00:37:03That all I mean, isn't there anything else you can do learn to say the words no comment
00:37:11Now how long can they hold me
00:37:13Unfortunately, it's what they call reasonable time for a stolen car. So five or six hours. It's up to them. I
00:37:22Don't think I can handle it
00:37:24Can you stay with me? Oh
00:37:27well
00:37:28If I stay which of course I can
00:37:31They'll subpoena me and I'll have to be a witness for them. Now. I'm on your side not theirs
00:37:37Well, so isn't there anything you can do to get me out? It's just a waiting game. Mr. Fleming
00:37:44You let them do all the work
00:37:45They either have to present all their evidence for you to refute or they charge you
00:37:49So long as you offer no comment, they're not necessarily going to get any more than they already have
00:37:54Knowing these people they've probably got stuff all
00:37:58I haven't done anything. No, you wouldn't be the first person and under no circumstances agree to an ID parade
00:38:12Time
00:38:14You
00:38:23Weren't deep shit you fucking wanker and you're gonna take the fucking consequences now wake up to yourself
00:38:34Now you've seen your solicitor and she's told you to say nothing
00:38:40How do you know that
00:38:42Also, this year we'll be going out to lunch soon and you're still here
00:38:50Interview between detective sergeant John Steele Edward Rodney Fleming recommenced at 948 a.m
00:38:56Detective senior constable Wayne prior also present
00:39:01You must understand mr. Fleming that what we deal with the facts and the facts are the cars being stolen
00:39:08Now I'll give you the opportunity to respond
00:39:11But if you can't negate these facts and it leaves us really with only one course of action to take
00:39:18Your handwriting has been identified on the transfer document. Do you understand? No comment
00:39:27The transfer document is in relation to
00:39:30Vehicle registration number KCR
00:39:33109 do you know this vehicle? No, I don't
00:39:37You have been identified in the company of the registered owner of that vehicle who is a missing person identified
00:39:47By who
00:39:51What now I'm supposed to have been with someone I've never even heard of all I'm doing mr
00:39:56Fleming is advising you the evidence. We're in possession of and giving you the opportunity to respond
00:40:03You get better all the time
00:40:05What evidence I've just explained to you the relevant facts you were in the location that the car was stolen from
00:40:15Let me make it clearer for you
00:40:18Mr. Beecroft left the city in his car on the 21st of January
00:40:23He drove to Ballarat and onto horsemen. You must understand. Mr. Fleming. This is all a matter of record
00:40:29This is all being verified. Now. There's a roadhouse outside Ballarat
00:40:34The owner of the establishment was there and he said that there was somebody with mr. Beecroft and that somebody's description fits you
00:40:47I must be joking
00:40:49I mean if there is someone at all and
00:40:53He's made a mistake
00:40:55I'll tell you he's wrong. I don't think he is. Mr. Fleming
00:40:59How
00:41:01Many road houses around the place how many attendants and what you just happen to find someone who describes me
00:41:09What's that average height average build
00:41:15Mr. Average
00:41:18If you feel that strongly about it, I'd be more than happy to organize an identification parade
00:41:24If you're not picked end of story, well, I can see where you're heading, but I mean there's no point in having a solicitor and then
00:41:30Going against her advice
00:41:32It's up to you
00:41:37You really are a corrupt little man, aren't you? We are giving you the opportunity to respond to the fact
00:41:45And a fellow in a roadhouse. He probably forget his own name and what favors did you give him?
00:41:49We don't buy witnesses, mr. Fleming
00:41:57Your description was given to us by this witness and your handwriting identifies you as a person handling the stolen car
00:42:09So I've read about unsolved crimes
00:42:13You have to clear them from your books so you charge someone that's what this is all about, isn't it?
00:42:19Is it and newspapers are full of it, you know unsolved crimes
00:42:25Murders what have you maybe mr. Fleming, but murder that's a bit much
00:42:34Man with no job or prospects, you know lifts alone goes up to the country every now and then it's perfect for you
00:42:40They cropped in his cargo missing and you're right sergeant, you know, it doesn't look good
00:42:45Is there anyone else you're looking for?
00:42:50My god, you know went for a joyride as a kid now, I'm a car thief
00:42:54God knows what else
00:42:56as I said
00:42:57the letter signed Peter Williams
00:43:00Plus the transfer of ownership from mr. Beecroft to a Peter Williams are both in your handwriting
00:43:11Must have been uncomfortable
00:43:13Uncomfortable
00:43:16Well, then driving round the heat summer asking questions
00:43:23So now you have nothing you're looking to save your own skins I
00:43:29Won't work. I haven't been to Horsham for years
00:43:33As I've told you I haven't been out of town except for Ballarat
00:43:37I mean you show me where I've ever had enough money to get to Horsham
00:43:40We have witnesses who saw you mr. Fleming
00:43:44Witnesses who saw someone like me
00:43:48Don't you say
00:43:50The time is now 9 57 a.m. I'm interrupting this interview for the purpose of my own further inquiries
00:44:00Perhaps one witness could be discredited you fuckwit but not three
00:44:04They
00:44:10Croft is missing. I have heard isn't name before it's been in the papers
00:44:18You think he's dead don't you you think that I had something to do with it
00:44:24I
00:44:29Was accusing him that
00:44:31As far as I'm concerned you're just helping us with our inquiries into a stolen car
00:44:36That would be logical to think that I knew something of his whereabouts
00:44:42Wouldn't
00:44:43What do you know?
00:44:45Now look how many times do I have to tell you don't just wear on the Bible or something bigger the oath
00:44:49The bigger the lie now like the man said it's about a fucking stolen fucking car you fucking fuckwit
00:44:57Why is he allowed to talk to me like that
00:45:00I'll talk to you how I want
00:45:03Now you're fucked for the car and we're gonna charge you for it
00:45:07So you may as well tell us about it and we want to post bail
00:45:09I
00:45:18Said we're only interested in the stolen car. I don't believe you
00:45:26And who else is missing
00:45:27Hmm. Well four or five
00:45:30All those people the papers are being a berserk over. That's what you are headed. It's a bloody desperate
00:45:35You picked on me some nobody who lives on his own
00:45:40I'm not stupid sergeant. And you know, it's I don't patronize me
00:45:45What I want to know who the hell do you people think you are you either charge me we let me out of here
00:45:54Look it's not as simple as that. You believe this nonsense then you prove it
00:46:05You know, there's only one real way to do that don't you
00:46:10What's that
00:46:13Find his body
00:46:40I
00:46:44Exactly how long have you had him five hours?
00:46:50You were brought in to get results John
00:46:53It's not going our way. And now we've got his solicitor on our back. No
00:46:57And 60-40 our way. There's no admission yet
00:47:01Not strong enough. We run with that and you're wrong. It'll cost the department thousands
00:47:06You can't do better than this we'll have to let him go no way not while he's still talking
00:47:13Half an hour, that's it any longer. We're heading into deep water
00:47:20He's made mention of a body body his body
00:47:24Why didn't you say this straight up? He said we'll never find a cross body
00:47:29We'd like to run with a bit longer
00:47:31You serious?
00:47:32That's what he said, so there's some tape no, no, you're a bit too clever for that the tapes are off
00:47:39You give you any idea where the body might be no give you anything else
00:47:46Yes, if I have other missing people in similar circumstances and he brought that one up himself
00:47:54Where is he now he's upstairs
00:47:57He's agreed to be fingerprinted why we've already got them on file any IDs from Prince crime scene section no not yet
00:48:05We need a new set
00:48:08Don't lie to me John
00:48:10You're kicking into the wind
00:48:12You wouldn't have let him out of that interview room for two seconds if he was running like that
00:48:16I'm the one in there. Don't tell me how to run it
00:48:22We need to back off a bit he was starting to take control
00:48:26You got nothing to go on have you
00:48:31You can't afford any more complaints
00:48:35It'll be your ass hanging out in the breeze you needn't look around for me this time this time
00:48:41With respect sir, you just told me I was brought in here to get results two hours. That's it
00:48:56I
00:49:16Check the graph not yet still going through the papers come on. They flick it to Max or someone
00:49:21I
00:49:28Don't know what's he acting out here
00:49:36Any markings drawings in these Paul sergeant just crosswords nothing of value
00:49:40I run out of time if you don't come up with something in the next two hours
00:49:44Forensics and newspapers are going to let go two hours. So no more bloody threats. I haven't threatened the pretty yet
00:49:51Don't talk shit. We're treating with kid gloves now. It's going all right. I can bullshit. He hasn't admitted a damn thing
00:49:57Has me
00:49:58Think about it. What sort of person says I find his body. Hey wouldn't innocent person in a place like this even think in those terms
00:50:08Induction and deduction I still teach that
00:50:21I'm sitting on my left hand. Yes, just a couple more. Mr. Fleming. That's it. Thank you
00:50:25What about this one? What do you call 40 lawyers at the bottom of Port Phillip Bay a good start?
00:50:32There's a live one all done
00:50:37Look I'm trying to help. Okay. I'm just wish you'd listen to me. Yes. I know. Mr. Fleming and is appreciated
00:50:44Let's go back downstairs. I'm not a kid
00:50:47Is that really necessary is there anything we can get for you, mr. Fleming anything you need
00:50:53Yep to get out of here for the umpteenth time some food
00:51:06Looks like a lot of success
00:51:09Oh, yeah, if you keep sakes highlights of various investigations, you know trophies and heroes
00:51:16What are you interested in what we do? Yeah, certainly it's a it's a very
00:51:21Courageous job to go up against people who are desperate
00:51:25And what makes you think they're all desperate?
00:51:27Not just what you read, you know, ah your newspapers. Yeah, I suppose that's part of it. What do you mean?
00:51:35that
00:51:36Seems like an exciting job not all the fucking time. Yeah, hang on. Hang on. Mr. Fleming is trying to help us
00:51:43What do you mean? Mr. Fleming?
00:51:45You remember that bloke Santa's you for last killed all those people in Sydney. Yeah, I remember reading about that case
00:51:52Bloody amazing. Nobody knows why he did it what you study these stories. Do you is it a serious interest?
00:51:57I know sometimes when it's not much to do, you know
00:52:00I collect all the newspaper stories and see what I can fathom from it all. Why is that mate? No, it's an interest
00:52:05It's always built into something bigger than it is. I'm not quite with you. Mr. Fleming
00:52:10Yes, you are. You know what I mean?
00:52:12Every time someone writes about a murder
00:52:14They look for some apocalyptic reason for the killing. Well, people have to try and make some sort of sense of it
00:52:20Don't they? Oh, so what you do you try make sense of it?
00:52:23When I bet there's dozens of murders on your computer, you know, they'd have no tangible reason
00:52:29Well, let's face it some people kill other people full stop
00:52:32You got me in here. What a joke
00:52:35People just go ahead and do it, you know
00:52:37Sometimes maybe for a few dollars maybe for nothing. They just seem to go for it, you know, pure and simple
00:52:42You really believe that crap? No, no, no, you could be right
00:52:46Some of them leave you wondering. Yeah, it's not too hard to work out
00:52:51I'll just talk to the expert who took your fingerprints. Yeah, but they match the ones on your file. Yes, of course
00:52:57So what does that mean?
00:52:59It means we will have to charge you with theft of the motor car
00:53:04Okay, who cares about a car I thought we were talking about more important things
00:53:10What about kidnapping and murder
00:53:12No
00:53:14No, I'm yet to be convinced. Mr. Fleming convinced
00:53:19Then what am I doing here?
00:53:23Well, I like to keep an open mind you got that from your father did you
00:53:31We're all what our parents might as mr. Fleming
00:53:37Are you ready to talk about Galvin yet?
00:53:42Must have been good if you don't want to talk about it
00:53:51I'm starving
00:53:54I'm starving. Let's say you day
00:53:59I'll draw you a diagram a diagram of what where I put them
00:54:08What do you mean by them
00:54:12I want to wait, please. All right, I will send out just out of interest sake. Yeah, how many were they?
00:54:38It's very civilized it's very civilized
00:54:42Would you send out for this just upstairs the canteen
00:54:46You're not joining us. No, I'm not. I'm not hungry. Thanks. I don't know what you're missing
00:54:52Let's go with it. I can I can eat what I thought
00:55:00Interviewed between detective sergeant John Steele
00:55:03Edward Rodney Fleming recommenced detective senior constable Wayne prior also present
00:55:09Mr. Fleming, I intend to ask you some questions in relation to a missing person
00:55:15Do you agree at the time is now 11 18 a.m
00:55:20Mr. Fleming has nodded in agreement. Is that correct? Mr. Fleming? Yes
00:55:26For you to draw the diagram
00:55:30No, well
00:55:33The whole thing that's what I was on about before what's that the the newspapers? Yeah ridiculous stories
00:55:40Every time something serious happens you think there has to be some elaborate motive. No
00:55:46What do you really know about people's motives? Where's it gonna lead you?
00:55:50Well, hopefully the person we're looking for that's rubbish
00:55:54Take big croft. What motive was it?
00:55:57Hmm
00:55:58You were just lucky you got in your big car and you drove around the place. What were you doing?
00:56:04Emu duty you're going from one scrap to another
00:56:07now now you found me so
00:56:11What's the big reason what was my motive you tell me
00:56:14Motive for what you tell me?
00:56:16He's still on emu duty. You can't see it
00:56:20There's no reason for
00:56:23My if you want a motive, all right, I was a bit short of cash beecroft came along and it was his time
00:56:31What do you mean by his time want to grin at the lid
00:56:36What me
00:56:38Well the coffin did
00:56:42Pass the mayonnaise, please
00:56:47So, how did you meet beecroft mr. Fleming
00:56:51Well
00:56:53Once I got to Ballarat I
00:56:56Checked into the salvo's and then quite late in the day. I went walking
00:57:01Before you know it
00:57:03I'm looking for a lift outside of the city on the western highway without a cent to my name
00:57:08I wanted to get up the stall because I thought I might get a job up there
00:57:12This bloke gave me a lift and had you ever met him before
00:57:20I
00:57:27He was heading for Horsham, so I said I'd be glad to take me
00:57:34Make a wish
00:57:42We stopped for petrol up around our rat, I'm sorry had some money in his wallet some
00:57:46I
00:57:48Guess that's where I got the idea. No idea for what I'm killing him
00:57:56Yeah, see this should give you a good idea of what I was talking about
00:58:01You don't need a big reason to kill somebody
00:58:04Beecroft had $38. I
00:58:06Suppose you told that to somebody killing him like for $38
00:58:09It wouldn't have a lot of appeal would it you'd be told that you should do it for a lot of money or revenge
00:58:14Because you know, you've always got to have a good motive
00:58:18It's rubbish
00:58:21You just do it because you can
00:58:25Are you saying you killed Beecroft
00:58:29Yeah, I guess so it's a little
00:58:32Gully up there just outside a store
00:58:36Yeah
00:58:38We picked up a bottle of scotch and we drank some on the way
00:58:41So, how did you kill Beecroft, mr. Foley, it's pretty weird that one
00:58:49Just outside a store
00:58:52By now, it's getting dark. I spotted this little gully
00:58:57So I got him to pull in
00:59:01Told him I wanted to relieve myself. See I mean had a bit too much to drink
00:59:05By now it was beginning to rain there was a sort of lean to next to these trees at the end
00:59:09You know middle of nowhere
00:59:12Are you prepared to direct us to the location? Yeah
00:59:18And did the small fire
00:59:36You
00:59:40We said and talked and finished the bottle fell asleep what the bath of you, you know, that's the weird bit
00:59:48Yeah, I guess I killed Beecroft, all right
00:59:53I didn't mean to
00:59:55What do you mean? You didn't mean to you just told us that you had the idea when you saw him open up your wallet
01:00:01Yeah, I had the idea. All right, that's all it was
01:00:06I
01:00:07Both went to sleep
01:00:10Must have been around 11. I'm not very sure cuz all the booze and everything
01:00:15I started having these three weird dreams
01:00:18nightmares
01:00:21And this past sounds like a story but I swear to God is the truth I had these nightmares
01:00:29And I woke up
01:00:31They were still all there
01:00:33Who was still all there
01:00:38All these people all around me people everywhere
01:00:44So I must have been still asleep
01:00:49And what'd you do then I
01:00:52Picked up this bit of iron by the fire and I started swinging
01:00:56Now it's quite strange, you know, cuz I knew every one of those faces
01:01:00What were they previous victims of yours whether yeah people I've met yeah
01:01:05There aren't a few of them. It seemed like there were hundreds all around in the air
01:01:11And I felt hot and cold sweaty once, you know
01:01:17I saw Beecroft, you know swung harder and I kept swinging
01:01:22And
01:01:25He didn't even make a sound he had his eyes closed and I'm just archived in his head
01:01:44When I woke up he was on the floor and
01:01:47All the other people had disappeared, you know, I never came back
01:02:17I
01:02:30Pulled Beecroft outside and I buried him
01:02:34Then I I bet his clothes
01:02:38Took his wallet and car and I took off
01:02:41I
01:02:45Can you draw us that diagram of where you buried him
01:02:55Here's the Western Highway, all right still portioned up here. Oh, it's bad there
01:03:05I was really starving. Thanks
01:03:08And what about the others, mr. Fleming
01:03:17Others I look I don't recall them too clearly, you know, it's but what I mentioned before all those missing people
01:03:26It's a couple in the Western District and the rest along the New South Wales border
01:03:31It just happens that way it's no particular reason
01:03:34Can
01:03:36You remember any of them?
01:03:39No, I can't recall exactly
01:03:45But there was this one bloke
01:03:48It stands out quite a bit can't really remember his name. What a wimp. Oh, yeah. Why's that?
01:03:54well
01:03:56He picked me up in his car near Portsy and
01:04:00And we got a bit of a takeaway food and something to drink and
01:04:05Later on I got him to pull over and I'm I beat I beat the shit out of him with a piece of wood
01:04:10And he was pathetic. He was complaining and whinging crying
01:04:15And why'd you beat the shit out of him? What happened?
01:04:19Nothing
01:04:22I buried him in the sand. Yeah, see he was one of those people that I saw
01:04:26It's just goes to show you how the mind works, isn't it? I don't know. Mr. Fleming. How does the mind work?
01:04:36I've heard a lot of people talk about killing
01:04:39I've always wondered what it must feel like
01:04:42No
01:04:44There's nothing to it. I have that sort of power over another person
01:04:50Not really. It's remarkably easy
01:04:52So
01:04:56Where exactly did you bury him? I don't I'd have to show you that when it was in the dunes
01:05:05Is there any other people you'd like to tell us about mr. Fleming no, no, not really
01:05:11You know like I told you five or six
01:05:15All about the same really
01:05:17When did the first one occur a couple of years ago
01:05:22When the first was the same as the last
01:05:25You know, I'd built whoever with something
01:05:29That'd be it
01:05:32Very it's a very insignificant thing
01:05:38But you know what it didn't change me, you know, I didn't change me at all
01:05:44That's why I say it's all built up
01:05:46Have you ever been ill? Mr. Fleming?
01:05:50Have you seen a doctor or been in the hospital or anything? No, not really. Why?
01:05:56That's psychiatrist
01:05:58No, I'm not mad
01:06:01So you knew what you're doing then? Yes, of course
01:06:05Did it ever bother you ever?
01:06:11No, I need only that dream with be cropped and I think that's I think that was because of all the booze
01:06:19That's a great meal. Thanks a lot
01:06:22Fine I
01:06:25Intend interrupt this interview for the purpose of making further inquiries
01:06:30when we do recommence
01:06:32It'll be in relation to the Baycroft death in detail
01:06:36Which will be recorded on video
01:06:38sure
01:06:43Suppose I always knew you'd find me I guess
01:06:49I
01:06:53Get
01:07:04Aren't you having one? No, that's my
01:07:09You've waited a long time to share that with someone home to mr. Fleming
01:07:19I
01:07:49I
01:08:14You're winning yes, okay
01:08:20How good is this John I mean suddenly he puts his hand up
01:08:25Sure, he's not a chronic confessor
01:08:27No, not this one
01:08:30Cozying up to mind like Fleming's makes you feel sick in the guts
01:08:34But if it's half as good as it sounds I'll personally write you up for a commissioners commendation. No, thanks. There's a long way to go yet
01:08:41Let me tie it up in this for weeks
01:08:44interviews reenactments getting the brief together
01:08:49For priors rounding up the shrink any other assistance you need
01:08:53Yeah, we're gonna need the video camera for the interview room
01:08:56The mobile lab photographics for his apartment
01:08:59And we're gonna need another search warrant
01:09:05Tell you
01:09:07This place gonna run on insanity good on mcnaughton's ruins. Yep
01:09:12He was suffering disease of the mind such an extent. He didn't know what he was doing was wrong
01:09:16That's up to him to prove
01:09:20Barry will tell a chat to me. I said you might have something for the morning edition. Oh, Jesus. Why'd you do that?
01:09:27I got me tied up here till midnight as it is. Well, I understand that but I don't want to finish up with egg on my
01:09:32face
01:09:33He said you can't help yourself. Can you?
01:09:36You leaked the story to him before I even knew I had the right man. No, I
01:09:41Simply told him that you were looking at the missing persons that he and others were writing about
01:09:46What you want to tell him is up to you
01:09:52Everybody wants to be famous
01:10:15I
01:10:37You're a deep shit you fucking wanker and you're gonna take a fucking consequences to wake up to yourself
01:10:44Now like the man said it's about a fucking stole my fucking car you fucking fuck with
01:10:50I'll talk to you how I want
01:10:52Now you're fucked the car. We're gonna charge you for it. So you may as well tell us about it
01:10:56We won't oppose bail. Well, that's a threat to what's more its inducement and intimidation. How could they be so stupid?
01:11:04Plus it's the same terminology as the other complaints
01:11:07So it's prior not steel steel is teaching bad habits to a subordinates
01:11:13Directing a concert the video proves that
01:11:15Defense counsel is gonna eat them with us
01:11:18Are you seriously considering putting this man back on the street?
01:11:22That's exactly where he's gonna end up without a conviction and we're not gonna get one with this in which case we've lost him forever
01:11:26Or until he killed it again. I realized that sir, but
01:11:30They've got him and he's a real psycho
01:11:34In whose judgment and what if the court decides he's not which they might I mean look at him for Christ's sake
01:11:41He confessed to killing his own mother for five minutes of attention. I hope you're right. Look at this
01:11:54With our inquiries into a stolen vehicle, it would be logical to think that I knew something if his whereabouts
01:12:02Wouldn't it?
01:12:03Why do you?
01:12:06No
01:12:08No
01:12:09They had only read him his rights on the stolen car
01:12:13Have assured him. He's not accused of anything else and now steel starts to question him about a missing person
01:12:18Oh, this isn't even gonna get into a court from the DPP or throw it out. And if they don't the judge will
01:12:23So it's only one question in response to what he's volunteered. I know it doesn't matter
01:12:29The law requires them to play fair how they've stood behind the suspect
01:12:33They've stood over him in a threatening manner and they've refused him food what three four times
01:12:39We've got nothing. Could we look at it again, sir? We can't put this man back on the street
01:12:44No, well you tell that to steal because that's exactly what he's just done
01:12:48Do you know me times Ethics Committee about to look at him?
01:12:51Because he gets results
01:13:04Mr. Fleming, I intend to ask you further questions in relation to the disappearance of mr
01:13:09Andrew Beecroft on or about the 21st of January this year. I
01:13:15Must warn you that you are not obliged to say or do anything
01:13:18But anything you say or do may be given in evidence. Do you understand that?
01:13:25You have the right to communicate with or attempt to communicate with a friend or relative to advise that person of your whereabouts and
01:13:33You may communicate with or attempt to communicate with a legal practitioner
01:13:37Do you wish to contact any of these persons? No, no
01:13:42Do you agree that you've already made certain admissions to me in regard to the disappearance of mr. Andrew Beecroft
01:13:50Yes, well, I told you what I've done
01:13:52Can you again tell me what those admissions are?
01:13:56Yes, well
01:13:58Of course I went to the local shop and of course to Valorant where I stayed with the sailboats
01:14:04Yes, but more specifically in relation to mr. Beecroft
01:14:08nice
01:14:12What's the question
01:14:14You said earlier that on the 21st of January you hitched a lift in an EH Holden station wagon registration number
01:14:21KCR
01:14:22109 driven by mr. Andrew Beecroft
01:14:25No, well as I said, uh, I don't recall the make or the color of the car
01:14:29But yes, I did get a lift outside better at that time
01:14:31Yeah, and you further stated that you killed Andrew Beecroft the blow to the head with an iron bar
01:14:39Gentlemen
01:14:42So, this is mr. Edward Fleming, mr. Fleming, I'd like you to meet detective inspector judge mr. Fleming, how are you?
01:14:51Still alive, but rather at home
01:14:55Being treated. Okay. They've got your refreshments a meal
01:15:01This is still part of the formal interview, isn't it? Yes the tape still running
01:15:05I'm just ensuring that you're okay and that you're being treated properly
01:15:09well
01:15:10No, I'm not. Okay
01:15:12What's the problem?
01:15:15I'd like to talk to you alone. That's all right. If you have a problem. Mr. Fleming. I'd like you to state it now
01:15:20I
01:15:24Wish you come in hours ago
01:15:27They broke into my house five o'clock this morning bash me and brought me here
01:15:32I've been trying to help where I can but they just won't listen. What do you mean all this business about a stolen car?
01:15:39As I've already told these gentlemen, I know nothing about a stolen car all this mysterious. Mr. Beecroft who appears to be missing
01:15:46You've just confessed to six murders and described in detail how you met Beecroft murdered him and disposed of his body
01:15:55What do you say to that mr. Fleming, is that correct
01:16:00So, you know as well as I do that I only told you what you wanted to hear
01:16:04You said you wanted to be convinced
01:16:06What do you mean?
01:16:09I
01:16:12Detective inspector these
01:16:15Policemen have held me here all day. I
01:16:18Concocted a story from what they told me that Beecroft in his car. We're missing around stalls. I
01:16:24even told them that I draw a map just so that I could get a meal because the only way that I could get a
01:16:28Meal and be allowed to eat it was to tell them what they wanted to hear
01:16:30Look at the mail laps it up couldn't get enough of it
01:16:33Are you telling me that the admissions that you made to sergeant steel in relation to the theft of a motor vehicle and
01:16:40The murder of mr. Beecroft and others
01:16:43Was a story you made up
01:16:45to get a meal
01:16:48Inspector Jackson I
01:16:51Did go to Ballarat. I do go to the local shop. I do stay with the salvos. I do live on my own
01:16:59But I've not stolen any car let alone killed anybody I mean
01:17:06Can you accept that please because these people weren't I hear what you're saying, mr. Fleming
01:17:11But if you lied before
01:17:13How do I know you're not lying now?
01:17:18I've been scared out of my mind sitting in here and they know it
01:17:22They wouldn't believe that I had nothing to do with the car that man threatened me and that man
01:17:27Did nothing to help me I told them what they wanted to hear
01:17:33Now I've decided that I'm not gonna say anything else so you either charge me or you let me out of here right now
01:17:38Sergeant steel. I want you to conclude this interview
01:17:41And see me in my office
01:17:45I'm concluding this interview
01:17:48Is there anything else you wish to say?
01:17:51I've done nothing wrong
01:17:53And I have a great deal to say about not here and not to you
01:17:57I've got a great deal to say about what I've done
01:18:09You fuckin dog
01:18:12We both know what you've done. You've got no hope of going back on what you said. You're gone
01:18:18You just want me to share it so badly. Didn't you? It's good story. I don't lasted
01:18:23Fuck, fuck, fuck, fucking lying bloody arsehole!
01:18:37Fucking bastard lying.
01:18:39You're just like my fucking bastard!
01:18:47What?
01:18:48Turn around.
01:18:50I've just got one word for you.
01:18:52Yeah?
01:18:53Yeah, what?
01:18:54Toe cutters.
01:18:57Are they on me now?
01:18:58Yep.
01:19:17What have you done?
01:19:18Nothing.
01:19:19He's a smart arse and he's somersaulters.
01:19:22What have you got?
01:19:24We can tie him to the car.
01:19:26We've got enough to charge him with theft of the car.
01:19:29We can put him in the vicinity where the person went missing.
01:19:32We've got a witness who can identify him.
01:19:35We've got expert evidence of it being his handwriting on the transfer document and Mrs Beecroft's letter.
01:19:40We've got three fingerprints on the transfer document and we've also got his own admission.
01:19:45Sir, if you heard the tapes you would believe him.
01:19:47If we had the body we could charge him with murder right now.
01:19:50You heard him make an official complaint over threats in that interview room.
01:19:54If those complaints are proven then any admission he did make would be inadmissible and I'll have your fucking balls, mate.
01:20:01Admissions?
01:20:02You want admissions?
01:20:03They're as fucking long as your arm.
01:20:06He was just about to get back into it until you barged in.
01:20:10It's our word against his it's as simple as that.
01:20:12I am going to get a statement, a formal complaint from Mr Fleming.
01:20:16Mr Fleming, you can put together a brief of evidence relating to the theft of a motor car.
01:20:22If I think you've got enough evidence he can be summoned for that offence at a later date.
01:20:27Yes sir, but what about the murders?
01:20:29What other avenues have you got going?
01:20:32Store police and CIB are searching for the location that Fleming drew.
01:20:36As well as any other location that resembles the description that he gave.
01:20:40That's it?
01:20:42Well if he somersaulted you that's likely to be bullshit too.
01:20:46Sir, this man is a serial killer.
01:20:49Mate, I am on your side.
01:20:51But any further decisions are going to be made upstairs.
01:20:54And unfortunately I assure you as things are, they are going to be harder to convince than me.
01:21:00Well I want to come with you.
01:21:03That won't be necessary.
01:21:11You cannot let him walk.
01:21:16Just goes to show you how the mind works, doesn't it?
01:21:22I don't know Mr Fleming, how does the mind work?
01:21:27I've listened to a lot of people talk about killing and I've often wondered what it must feel like.
01:21:33There's nothing to it.
01:21:37But it must be.
01:21:40You know, to have that power over another person.
01:21:47Look at him.
01:21:51He gets off on it.
01:21:55Sir, we don't have to show them our tapes.
01:21:58Most of these conversations happened when their audio tapes were off.
01:22:02Their tapes are clean, it's only ours that have a record of this.
01:22:06That's the Ethics Committee's decision, not ours.
01:22:09And I can't see them withholding the tapes from the DPP, the Ombudsman or the Defence Council.
01:22:17I've got to go.
01:22:36What did you mean by a blueprint?
01:22:38His favourite porno manga movie, that sort of thing.
01:22:40Why pornography?
01:22:42Well if it's not that, it's something equally as tasteful.
01:22:43The trouble with crooks is they've got no imagination.
01:22:46There are only three ways you learn to do the kind of shit that we have to clean up.
01:22:49Either someone done it to you, you read about it, or you've seen it on some video.
01:22:56Now, this story on Maria Garibaldi was published on the 7th.
01:23:00We fed it to the media on the 6th,
01:23:02and she was reported missing on the 3rd.
01:23:09On the 3rd.
01:23:14That bastard. Bloody country editions.
01:23:16Where are those fucking dates?
01:23:17You idiot!
01:23:18Haven't you mentioned the dates people went missing in the actual paper?
01:23:21Yes, but I didn't know I was looking for country editions.
01:23:23This was your responsibility to debrief him properly.
01:23:26Alright, everybody, heads up.
01:23:28Morton, Bickley, Johnson, come over here. Lend a hand, please.
01:23:32Right, here's a list of the dates all our people went missing.
01:23:34Check the dates of the newspaper.
01:23:36If it's not a country edition, check the dates on the papers up to four days previous.
01:23:39Now, Roger Lee was reported missing on the 22nd of June.
01:23:42Here, sir, it's the city edition.
01:23:44Here's the 21st country edition.
01:23:48I bet we can match a country edition to every disappearance.
01:23:50Bloody beautiful.
01:23:51At least Jackson can't turn them loose now.
01:23:53Should be enough to save his ass, get him a bit of glory.
01:23:56The next time, start with the bit that matters, yeah?
01:23:59Now I'm going to beef this up a bit, so I need your support, alright?
01:24:02You can count on me.
01:24:05Sir, we got him.
01:24:07It's circumstantial, but it's good circumstantial.
01:24:09It's too fucking late.
01:24:11He's bloody gone.
01:24:12We can put him in the bush for every day our people went missing.
01:24:15Shut up.
01:24:17It's what we needed, sir.
01:24:19Shut up.
01:24:21Would you mind waiting in my office?
01:24:29It's okay.
01:24:30Come in, Curtis.
01:24:37We've had you under video surveillance since you walked into that room this morning.
01:24:41You're fucking joking. Why?
01:24:44From what they say, your whole interview is inadmissible.
01:24:48I'd have thought you'd known better than that.
01:24:50Especially in a case like this.
01:24:53We haven't touched a hair on his head.
01:24:56Nobody has laid a finger on him.
01:24:58They've been videoing. They'll know it.
01:25:00They say you've used threats, intimidation and inducements.
01:25:04We didn't touch the bastard.
01:25:06Did you know they were taping us?
01:25:08No, but I don't like it any better than you do.
01:25:12So where do you stand? And what's happening here?
01:25:16Fleming walks, and the shadow is in tow.
01:25:21You are to brief Sergeant Quinlan's crew.
01:25:23She will be taking over the Fleming investigation.
01:25:29You arsehole. You've rigged us upstairs, haven't you?
01:25:35I'm brought in here to get results.
01:25:37To make you look good on an investigation that's going nowhere.
01:25:41All you do is tie me hands.
01:25:43You lie, you cheat, you leak information.
01:25:45You're a fucking disgrace.
01:25:48You're supposed to be one of us.
01:25:50You make me sick.
01:25:53You want your name in the newspapers?
01:25:55How about Police Release Serial Killer, with your name all over it?
01:26:01I'm aware that you have counseled prior about his behaviour in the interview room.
01:26:06And I will stand up for you.
01:26:09But don't threaten me.
01:26:11Oh, fuck you.
01:26:13I'm not going to cock this holier-than-thou shit from you.
01:26:16I've gone from being the Lord Mayor to the shit carter in about two hours.
01:26:21Watch out Fleming doesn't come and cut your throat.
01:26:25How much should I win?
01:26:38I have to advise you, we've been videotaping you all day under instructions from the Ethics Committee.
01:26:44From my observations, you have a disregard of the law,
01:26:47and a total disregard of the judge's rules.
01:26:50I'm instructing you that I will be formally interviewing both of you in relation to these matters.
01:26:55Do you intend interviewing us about criminal or departmental matters?
01:26:59Possibly both.
01:27:01I don't believe this.
01:27:03Do you have any idea of what you're doing?
01:27:05I thought I could ask you the same question.
01:27:07You're in enough trouble without adding insubordination to the list.
01:27:10If you'd been watching all day, you'd know he's knocked at least five or six.
01:27:13Those matters will be dealt with by other police. It's not our concern.
01:27:17Well, it should be. Because it means he'll do it again as sure as you're sitting there.
01:27:21What we've done, sir, is to gather enough evidence to take one of the most dangerous men I've ever interviewed off the street.
01:27:30It's been a very difficult investigation.
01:27:33And with someone as plausible and as devious as this man,
01:27:38the interview is crucial.
01:27:40As far as I'm concerned, we've conducted it within the specifications of the law.
01:27:44And as far as I'm concerned, we don't break the law to enforce it.
01:27:49Oh, for Christ's sake, if you can't see what's wrong with putting this man back on the street,
01:27:52you're fucked in the head and I hope he comes to visit you.
01:27:54Shouldn't take you long to brief the other team.
01:27:57I'll be waiting.
01:28:00I was genuinely frightened.
01:28:02I thought I'd never see you again.
01:28:05I'll be waiting.
01:28:08I was genuinely frightened.
01:28:10They weren't in the least bit interested in what I had to say.
01:28:14At what point did you become frightened?
01:28:17Well, from the moment they broke down my door and hit me.
01:28:20I see.
01:28:22They humiliated me by making me strip.
01:28:27And I don't know how many times they asked for food.
01:28:29You know, it's the sort of thing you read about in the newspapers all the time,
01:28:32they're always supposed to be crooks so you just don't think about it.
01:28:37Are you saying that there's no truth to the admissions regarding Mr Beecroft and others?
01:28:45I didn't say anything that they didn't lead me to.
01:28:50You gave a lot of specific details, Mr Fleming, and you volunteered them.
01:28:56Look, I made it up. I'm sorry. I know it was stupid.
01:28:59I just got so bloody angry.
01:29:02I'm sorry.
01:29:08Power, love and death.
01:29:10Yeah, right.
01:29:11He's done these six for sure.
01:29:13Where are you?
01:29:14It's as cunning as a shithouse rat.
01:29:15Well, I've got something for you, and it's very bloody tropical.
01:29:19No, now. Right now.
01:29:23What's he like? Any history?
01:29:25Nothing. Thinks he's smarter and more clever than anyone else.
01:29:28Any bodies?
01:29:29He gets rid of them in isolated areas.
01:29:31They're so isolated we can't find them.
01:29:40The SD are in there. I'm nearly fucked.
01:29:43This is the bloke they let go.
01:29:46Is this the interview tape?
01:29:47Yeah.
01:29:49Christ.
01:29:51Are you sure you want to go through with this?
01:29:53Mate, people don't go from pinching cars at 15 years of age
01:29:57to killing half a dozen people 26 years later
01:29:59without a whole lot of other shit in between.
01:30:02Well, how much time have you spent with him?
01:30:06Enough to know he's a killer.
01:30:10They'll have your badge and gun, mate.
01:30:12Mate, I think they've already got it.
01:30:16And I haven't started with those blokes yet.
01:30:19Alice Morwood. Family from Cavendish.
01:30:21Couple of kids still at school.
01:30:23Her old man's a bit of a redneck.
01:30:25She was last seen shopping in Horsham on June the 12th last year.
01:30:29She was driving a Toyota Corona.
01:30:32Now, there's been a lot of rumours around town
01:30:34that she nicked off another bloke. It's bullshit.
01:30:36Is he in the frame for anything else?
01:30:38The most revealing thing we've got is his record of interview.
01:30:42You listen to that and it'll cool your hair.
01:30:45There goes your man.
01:30:56Oh, he likes you.
01:30:59Jackson will put him through deprocessing.
01:31:02After that, the Shadows are sitting off outside.
01:31:05They'll take him away.
01:31:06How many?
01:31:07Two crews of four around the clock.
01:31:09Any connection between the people he's targeted?
01:31:12No.
01:31:14I've got a few.
01:31:16I've got a few.
01:31:18I've got a few.
01:31:20I've got a few.
01:31:22I've got a few.
01:31:23Any connection between the people he's targeted?
01:31:25No, nothing you can put your finger on.
01:31:27Just that he's got a taste for ordinary, decent people.
01:31:35I realise it's been eight hours, Mr Fleming,
01:31:37but we just need a few more details.
01:31:39Am I being charged?
01:31:42Not at this point in time.
01:31:44Can I get my belongings back, please?
01:31:47Sergeant Steele, you are not being cautioned at this stage.
01:31:50However, the conversation is being tape-recorded.
01:31:53If you refuse or decline to answer our questions,
01:31:55you will be charged with disobeying a lawful instruction.
01:31:59Apart from Mr Fleming's,
01:32:00we have signed complaints from other people as well.
01:32:04Well, I get people to sign things I'd written up, too.
01:32:07Yes, we are aware of that.
01:32:09I said I could, not I did.
01:32:12Demonstrate.
01:32:13I said I could, not I did.
01:32:15Demonstrates a pattern to the way you operate, Mr Steele.
01:32:20You permitted Pryor to abuse, assault, intimidate,
01:32:23make false promises to and threaten Mr Fleming.
01:32:28Oh, is that a question?
01:32:30If it is, which part do you want me to answer first?
01:32:33Furthermore, it could be said that you conspired with Pryor
01:32:36to pervert the course of justice and set up an innocent man.
01:32:40No comment.
01:32:41Sergeant.
01:32:43I'm talking about your conduct as the senior officer in the interview room
01:32:47and the threats, both physical and verbal, that the two of you made.
01:32:52Which part of the statement are you referring to now?
01:32:54I've got it all on videotape, Mr Steele.
01:32:57Yeah, well, maybe if you charge me,
01:32:59I'll have the same civil rights as a crook.
01:33:04Look.
01:33:06You can stop this.
01:33:08Fleming doesn't have to be released just yet.
01:33:10Oh, yes, he does.
01:33:12You're careless, slipshod.
01:33:14Fleming walks because you're not good enough.
01:33:16Without me, you wouldn't have even got him into this room.
01:33:19He knows who you are.
01:33:21He's spent his whole life using people like you.
01:33:25A transcript of Mr Fleming's complaint will be available shortly.
01:33:28I'm interrupting this interview until it is available.
01:33:32Keep it up with you, Sergeant.
01:33:33Yes, sir.
01:33:43This is personal with you, isn't it, George?
01:33:45I mean, every time it's you.
01:33:47Typical cowboy response.
01:33:49You don't seem to realise it's your own conduct
01:33:51that brings down this avalanche of complaints.
01:33:53This is the fourth time you've interviewed me in the last three years.
01:33:58And you've never succeeded in even sticking a disciplinary charge on me.
01:34:03Have you ever thought that maybe the way you see things might be wrong?
01:34:08You're a thug.
01:34:11You get more complaints than Ned Kelly, you're going to end up back on the street.
01:34:14No pension, no superannuation, dishonourable discharge.
01:34:18And it'll happen because I'll make sure it does.
01:34:22I know what's been going on in the interview room.
01:34:24I know what's going on in your head.
01:34:29When was the last time you worked on the streets?
01:34:33Do you have any idea what it's like out there?
01:34:36You fight fire with fire.
01:34:40I charge them.
01:34:42They complain about me.
01:34:44And that's the problem, Mr Steele.
01:34:46Too many complaints.
01:35:03You're a thug.
01:35:05You get more complaints than Ned Kelly, you're going to end up back on the street.
01:35:08No pension, no superannuation, dishonourable discharge.
01:35:12And it'll happen because I'll make sure it does.
01:35:16Abuse, threats and assault.
01:35:20I should have asked for a meal.
01:35:29I'm sure not all police behave like this and I'm willing to accept it's all been an unfortunate mistake.
01:35:33But it's just so upsetting.
01:35:35I mean, if this could happen to me, it could happen to anybody.
01:35:39Really, it's all just about being reasonable, isn't it?
01:36:05Come on.
01:38:05Come on.
01:38:35Come on.
01:39:05Come on.
01:39:35Come on.
01:39:38Come on.
01:40:05Come on.
01:40:08Come on.
01:40:10Come on.
01:40:35Come on.
01:41:05Come on.
01:41:07Come on.