Bakhabar Savera with Ashfaq Satti and Sadaf Abdul Jabbar | 19th AUG 2024
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00:00:00In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
00:00:20Assalamualaikum.
00:00:21Welcome to Bakhabar Sawera and very good morning to you all.
00:00:25As we have come to you with the show today, you are waiting for us since 9 o'clock.
00:00:30You miss us a lot when we don't have a show.
00:00:32I, Sadaf Abdul Jabbar, welcome you.
00:00:35And the special thing about today is that we will see the super blue moon.
00:00:41It will be the first super blue moon of the year.
00:00:44And what is special about it?
00:00:46And it can also be seen in Pakistan.
00:00:48Now, the special thing about it is that when the moon comes very close to the earth,
00:00:53then its size also increases.
00:00:55That is, it will look 40% larger, which is its actual size.
00:00:59And it also becomes 30% brighter.
00:01:02So you can see this beautiful view today.
00:01:06And when will this happen next time?
00:01:08In 2037.
00:01:10So it can be assumed that it is a blue moon or the term that has come out,
00:01:14which we call Mahabharatan, once in a blue moon.
00:01:16That is, sometimes it happens.
00:01:18So that term came out from here.
00:01:20But the meaning of blue moon is not that it will look blue.
00:01:23It is just called a blue moon.
00:01:25But you can see a beautiful view.
00:01:27Now we are also told that our planets, planets, moon,
00:01:33all their movements have a big impact on our environment.
00:01:38It also has a big impact on our climate.
00:01:40So maybe that's the reason that a strange phenomenon is coming in front of us.
00:01:45Sometimes we see dry weather.
00:01:47Sometimes we see a lot of heat.
00:01:49Sometimes in the summer we see that it is cold.
00:01:52And in the winter we see that it is hot.
00:01:54There are such conditions and rains are also happening.
00:01:56Sometimes there is a cloudburst.
00:01:58Sometimes the spell of weather starts and it does not end.
00:02:01And somewhere people are just waiting for the rain.
00:02:04So let's start the show with the first story.
00:02:07And we will also move towards the story that what are all these matters.
00:02:11But the problem that all Pakistanis have right now is the slowdown of the internet.
00:02:17Now if we try to find out the official version of this, why is this happening?
00:02:22So we do not have any official version from the government.
00:02:26We have not seen any official version from the PTA.
00:02:30Yes, the climate committee called a meeting related to IT.
00:02:35And they talked about all the complaints that are being received by the people.
00:02:40And then Shiza Fatima, who is the Minister of Internet, she also did a press conference yesterday.
00:02:46She says that people are trying to see and post things through VPN.
00:02:58She said that because of VPN, the internet has slowed down.
00:03:02So now if we assume that the internet will slow down with VPN.
00:03:06But the app that is being used will not slow down.
00:03:09Everyone knows this.
00:03:10But if the internet is slow even without VPN, then what is the answer to that?
00:03:15We do not know this yet.
00:03:17Now there is a problem in PTCL cable as well.
00:03:21She says that this is the problem of the internet.
00:03:23Now PTA officials say that we are not receiving any complaints.
00:03:27And somewhere we are told that there is a firewall, which is the reason for this.
00:03:31But no official has come to this from the government.
00:03:34But let's listen to what the Prime Minister is saying.
00:03:38Why is the firewall going to be closed?
00:03:41The name of the firewall is so dangerous that you are refusing to take it.
00:03:45You have made it unavailable for all freelancers.
00:03:48And the whole industry is affected.
00:03:50And you say that everything is good.
00:03:51There was a rumor that the government has throttled the internet for some reason.
00:03:57There was no absolute truth in it.
00:03:59Some services of some apps, the population of Pakistan started operating on VPN.
00:04:05When you turn on the VPN, you bypass the CDN, the local cache through which the internet is coming.
00:04:10And all your services are coming.
00:04:12You bypass it and go to the live internet.
00:04:15When a lot of people go to the live internet, there is a pressure.
00:04:19And generally the internet slows down.
00:04:22But the first question that arises here is why is it necessary to use VPN?
00:04:28Why can't the apps be seen without VPN?
00:04:31This is a very important question.
00:04:33But let me tell you that when the journalist asked this question twice,
00:04:36then the Prime Minister came up with this answer.
00:04:39But before this, what was she saying about the slowdown of the internet,
00:04:43especially after the meeting of the Climate Committee?
00:04:45Let's listen to that.
00:04:47Firewall is a cyber security measure that every government in the world takes.
00:04:51Look at how many international cyber security attacks are happening in this country.
00:04:55The internet should never slow down.
00:04:58We are talking about 5G auctions so that the internet is accelerated.
00:05:01We are talking about the digital economy and digital governance.
00:05:04All of this is based on a good, high-speed, reliable internet.
00:05:10Now, obviously, the experts in this regard, i.e. IT experts,
00:05:14were asked this question.
00:05:16Can the internet slow down with the use of VPN across the country?
00:05:21So what answer do they give? Let's listen to that.
00:05:24VPN was already being used.
00:05:27What has happened in the last month and a half
00:05:29is that the number of VPNs has either grown exponentially
00:05:33or a firewall is being designed to monitor and potentially block traffic.
00:05:39As our minister said, this is not right.
00:05:42VPNs use encrypted packets and they automatically bypass the experience.
00:05:47The government had set up a firewall to control some social media networks.
00:05:51For that, they blocked commercial networks, commercial sites,
00:05:55and the general types of sites like Google.
00:05:58Because of this, the internet is facing a problem.
00:06:02If the traffic with VPN is slow, it can be up to 10-15%.
00:06:07Obviously, the firewall is being implemented.
00:06:09We agree to the fact that it is a requirement in cyber warfare.
00:06:12However, if your deployment is happening,
00:06:14if such issues are coming up,
00:06:16we cannot deny the loss of business with this issue.
00:06:20To recall it again, when the journalist asked about the internet slow,
00:06:24whether it is a firewall issue,
00:06:26the minister could not provide an answer.
00:06:30Now let's ask the members of this committee
00:06:32who are very familiar with the situation.
00:06:35They are a part of the discussion.
00:06:37We have with us the leader of the People's Party,
00:06:39a member of the National Assembly,
00:06:41and a member of the Standing Committee on ITO Telecom Communication,
00:06:45Ms. Sharmila Farooqui.
00:06:46Sharmila, thank you so much.
00:06:48There is a slight confusion here.
00:06:50I am glad that the IT Minister has come
00:06:53and answered the questions of the journalists.
00:06:56But you must also ask questions in the committee.
00:06:59So, have you got a clear answer as to why the internet is slow in the country?
00:07:03Is it because of VPN?
00:07:05Because of firewall?
00:07:07Because we have not got an official version from the government.
00:07:12Yes, thank you so much, Sadaf.
00:07:14Look, we have not yet received an official answer from the government.
00:07:20The disruptions that have been happening in Pakistan in the last few days
00:07:25with regards to internet use,
00:07:27a lot of people are concerned about this,
00:07:29especially the IT companies.
00:07:31Now look, I think that
00:07:33if we had heard earlier that the firewalls were being installed,
00:07:38then the government should be coming clean
00:07:41and telling us what they want to do and what they are doing
00:07:44and how long it will take to settle all these matters.
00:07:48The fact is that firewalls are being installed in better countries of the world.
00:07:53Internet usage is being monitored.
00:07:56It is okay.
00:07:57The government will have its own constraints and needs.
00:08:00A lot of things are being heard about digital terrorism,
00:08:03that there is digital terrorism,
00:08:05there are some anti-state activities
00:08:08that are being banned on social media,
00:08:11that are being misused.
00:08:13So, installing firewalls or whatever the government does,
00:08:16because we don't know.
00:08:17We can't say anything on our own.
00:08:19So, the government should clean up the stakeholders
00:08:22and the government should take the responsibility.
00:08:24Look, the IT industry is currently a very budding industry.
00:08:29It is a digital economy.
00:08:31In Pakistan, it is being said that
00:08:34because of the internet disruption,
00:08:36there is a loss of about 3 billion dollars.
00:08:39And that's a huge loss for an economy
00:08:42that is already struggling for revival.
00:08:45The thing is that we ask the government questions,
00:08:48but we don't get an answer.
00:08:50We hope that tomorrow our standing committee on IT,
00:08:53we have a meeting the day after tomorrow,
00:08:56and in that, me and the other members will ask questions
00:09:00to the other companies.
00:09:03Sharmila, you said that there will be a formal meeting tomorrow.
00:09:07The journalist asked that because of the firewall,
00:09:10she couldn't answer.
00:09:11Did you ask this question?
00:09:14Look, there will be a meeting tomorrow.
00:09:16We will ask questions.
00:09:17I understand that Shaza Fatma is a very talented young woman
00:09:21and she is running this ministry with all her hard work.
00:09:25I am sure she will also have some compulsion.
00:09:28It would be better if we give her a chance.
00:09:30Look, when you sit in a committee,
00:09:33when all the members ask questions,
00:09:36including the government members,
00:09:39and the opposition members,
00:09:42when they all ask questions,
00:09:45you have to give an answer.
00:09:47You can't always get an answer there.
00:09:49We hope that whatever this matter is,
00:09:52whether they are installing a firewall or doing something else,
00:09:56whatever, I can't say it myself,
00:09:58we didn't get an answer.
00:09:59I am also in a dilemma like you.
00:10:01So, we will definitely get an answer.
00:10:04And we have to find a solution to this.
00:10:06Sharmila, I would like to ask you about your personal experience.
00:10:09Did you have to face anything like this?
00:10:12Did you have to experience that the internet is slow?
00:10:14Are you sending a message?
00:10:16Are you downloading something?
00:10:18Absolutely, Shaza.
00:10:19If I tell you about my personal experience today,
00:10:21my driver was calling me today,
00:10:24but I didn't get a call.
00:10:25When I sat in the car, the call started coming.
00:10:28I don't know what is going on with the network.
00:10:30And when it is said that a lot of your class is doing a private job,
00:10:36on their own,
00:10:37people who couldn't get a job,
00:10:39they are freelancers,
00:10:40some are riders,
00:10:41some are cooking food at home and delivering it,
00:10:44how much trouble will they face?
00:10:46So, do you realize these things?
00:10:47And in your personal experience,
00:10:49is this happening to you too?
00:10:51Look, for the last one and a half weeks,
00:10:54believe me,
00:10:55there are so many issues in connectivity.
00:10:58I myself live outside the house.
00:11:00I am a working woman.
00:11:01So, doing connectivity is like having a small child at home.
00:11:05Graphics don't download,
00:11:07I don't get calls,
00:11:08nothing is happening.
00:11:09There are so many difficulties.
00:11:11And you see,
00:11:12let's talk about connectivity.
00:11:16How big is the e-commerce business here?
00:11:19IT exports,
00:11:20the services,
00:11:22there are so many disruptions.
00:11:24In my own house,
00:11:26there are IT experts
00:11:28who come with promises for the country.
00:11:31There are so many difficulties for them.
00:11:33You see, you are stifling your digital economy.
00:11:36And Pakistan will now be seen as an unreliable partner
00:11:39in the global digital economy.
00:11:41This is harming Pakistan.
00:11:43This is not only harming a sector,
00:11:47not harming a few individuals,
00:11:49not harming the service industry,
00:11:51this is harming Pakistan.
00:11:53At the moment,
00:11:54the ruling party is claiming
00:11:56and giving figures
00:11:58of a loss of 3 billion dollars.
00:12:00Their own senators are talking like this.
00:12:02Yes, I agree.
00:12:03Like I said,
00:12:04not only the opposition,
00:12:07but the ruling party itself is worried.
00:12:10And they themselves don't know what is happening.
00:12:13So, it is better that the government,
00:12:15whatever it is doing,
00:12:16it should take its people into confidence.
00:12:18It should take its people into confidence.
00:12:20It should take its stakeholders into confidence.
00:12:22It should tell them,
00:12:23this is what is being done,
00:12:24this is what is happening.
00:12:25How long will the implementation take?
00:12:27By that time,
00:12:28these issues will be resolved.
00:12:30But when you hide it,
00:12:32and when you,
00:12:34see, there is fear.
00:12:36People are upset.
00:12:37People are thinking
00:12:39to shift their business abroad.
00:12:41People are thinking,
00:12:42in Pakistan,
00:12:43you are stifling an already struggling economy.
00:12:47This creates more mistrust in the government and the people.
00:12:52Which is already there for a week.
00:12:54Then it increases.
00:12:55The government doesn't tell us what is happening.
00:12:58So, it is better that,
00:12:59whatever it is,
00:13:00come clean and tell the public,
00:13:01that we are doing this.
00:13:03And Sharmila,
00:13:04obviously,
00:13:05when we are talking about a loss,
00:13:06the world is moving towards 7G.
00:13:08We, over the years,
00:13:104G, we were till now.
00:13:12Yes.
00:13:13But till now,
00:13:14we couldn't license 5G.
00:13:16We are talking about PayPal.
00:13:18Because if we look at Pakistan's rating,
00:13:21in Ease of Doing Business,
00:13:23we are far behind.
00:13:24And if we want,
00:13:25to bring change,
00:13:26to develop the country.
00:13:27In IT,
00:13:28the world is moving ahead.
00:13:29And if we want to save them,
00:13:31then we need to solve these issues immediately.
00:13:34Are you also concerned that,
00:13:36as soon as possible,
00:13:37a solution should be found?
00:13:40Absolutely.
00:13:41Right now,
00:13:42in Pakistan's IT exports,
00:13:44there is approximately $5 billion.
00:13:46But the Prime Minister has said this,
00:13:48and this is his dream,
00:13:50and this is his effort.
00:13:51And we also want,
00:13:52at least $25 billion should be spent,
00:13:54in the next 4 years.
00:13:56The thing is,
00:13:57if you have such targets,
00:13:59and then such disruptions come,
00:14:02and then you don't tell people,
00:14:04what is going to happen,
00:14:05then what will happen?
00:14:07This will happen,
00:14:08that people will leave this.
00:14:10Your country is already brain draining,
00:14:12that's why people have left your country,
00:14:14your professionals have left,
00:14:15some people have left.
00:14:17Then what will happen?
00:14:18In Pakistan,
00:14:19it is not easy to do any business.
00:14:21The cost of doing business,
00:14:24there is no ease.
00:14:26And even in this budget,
00:14:27you see,
00:14:28there is no relief.
00:14:30Electricity is going down,
00:14:31electricity bills are increasing,
00:14:32capacity payments are the same,
00:14:35IPPs have all the agreements,
00:14:37they are not being discussed again.
00:14:42There is no renegotiation,
00:14:43we don't know why.
00:14:44And then after that,
00:14:45this internet disruption,
00:14:47it is very unfortunate.
00:14:49And it is painful,
00:14:50seeing all this,
00:14:51hearing all this,
00:14:52feeling all this,
00:14:53it is painful.
00:14:54We have to stay here,
00:14:56we are not going anywhere.
00:14:58We want Pakistan to progress,
00:14:59we want Pakistan to be a digital economy.
00:15:01Globally,
00:15:02should be a front runner.
00:15:04But if there are such things,
00:15:05then what will happen?
00:15:06We are going backwards.
00:15:08Absolutely.
00:15:09What is the IT vision of the government?
00:15:11There are a lot of questions raised on this.
00:15:12Sharmila,
00:15:13we hope that
00:15:14in tomorrow's meeting,
00:15:15the discussion that will take place,
00:15:17as a result of that,
00:15:18we will get a definitive answer.
00:15:20And we will know
00:15:21by when things
00:15:22will go back to normal.
00:15:25Yes, God willing,
00:15:26we will try our best
00:15:27to the government.
00:15:28But we want to support the government.
00:15:30If there are any issues,
00:15:32if there is digital terrorism,
00:15:34if you are monitoring any system,
00:15:37then do it.
00:15:38It is happening all over the world.
00:15:39It is happening in big countries like China.
00:15:41It is happening in the UAE.
00:15:42It is happening in Turkey.
00:15:43It is happening in other countries.
00:15:44You do it.
00:15:45But you have to take people into consideration.
00:15:47Don't keep people in doubt.
00:15:48Don't keep them worried.
00:15:50Tell them that this is happening.
00:15:51It will take so long.
00:15:53Do this until then.
00:15:54There should be some way forward.
00:15:57There should be a solution.
00:15:58Someone should know something.
00:15:59Right now,
00:16:00we don't know what is going to happen next.
00:16:01For how long
00:16:02will we stay in this cage?
00:16:05Sharmila,
00:16:06if we talk about the PICA Act,
00:16:08it was also brought in.
00:16:09Obviously,
00:16:10it was for this purpose
00:16:11that if someone is propagandizing,
00:16:12spreading fake news,
00:16:14or propagandizing against the state,
00:16:18then the PICA Act should be used
00:16:21and action should be taken against them.
00:16:23So, what was the result of that?
00:16:26No, no.
00:16:27Whatever law you bring in,
00:16:29if they don't onboard the stakeholders,
00:16:32no law will be implemented.
00:16:34All laws will fail.
00:16:36This is a certain thing.
00:16:38You keep bringing in draconian laws.
00:16:40You keep stifling people's freedom of speech.
00:16:43I am not saying that
00:16:45social media is not being misused in this country.
00:16:48It is being used.
00:16:49And it is being used to a great extent.
00:16:51Okay.
00:16:52You need to monitor this.
00:16:53There is also hate speech.
00:16:55There are some things that should not be there.
00:16:58But the thing is that
00:16:59you are making such laws
00:17:01in which you have not onboarded the stakeholders.
00:17:04There has been no discussion on it.
00:17:06There has been no brainstorming on it.
00:17:08How will that law be implemented?
00:17:11How will it succeed?
00:17:13Obviously,
00:17:14after its failure,
00:17:15another thing is coming up.
00:17:17Look,
00:17:18don't say that
00:17:19the internet has flowed from VPN.
00:17:24None of us are illiterate
00:17:27and non-intelligent.
00:17:29We are all intelligent.
00:17:31We also know what is happening.
00:17:33But you tell us.
00:17:35As a government official,
00:17:37as a government of Pakistan,
00:17:39you know,
00:17:40the best thing is
00:17:41that you give your people trust.
00:17:43Speak the truth to them.
00:17:45If you speak the truth
00:17:47and ask for support,
00:17:48you will get support.
00:17:50But if you lie,
00:17:52hide,
00:17:53scare,
00:17:54threaten,
00:17:55then the public will not support you.
00:17:59It will be very difficult.
00:18:01Very difficult.
00:18:02Thank you so much, Sharmila Faruqi Sahiba,
00:18:04for being with us.
00:18:05Obviously,
00:18:06my first question to you is this.
00:18:07After that,
00:18:08let's talk further.
00:18:09Is it true that
00:18:10what the Minister of State is telling us
00:18:12is true?
00:18:13The use of VPN has increased.
00:18:15Because of this,
00:18:16the internet has slowed down
00:18:17across the country
00:18:18and has been for many days.
00:18:19Is it true?
00:18:21Thank you so much, Sadaf.
00:18:23Sadaf,
00:18:24if you look at it technically,
00:18:26because of VPN,
00:18:27even if there is a slowdown in traffic,
00:18:30that should not increase more than 15%.
00:18:33Like,
00:18:34the threshold is 10-15%.
00:18:36There is no difference.
00:18:38But at this point of time,
00:18:40this is not just VPN.
00:18:42Obviously,
00:18:43there is an implementation going on.
00:18:45We are not denying that.
00:18:47Moreover,
00:18:48we are not criticizing that implementation.
00:18:52What we are saying is
00:18:53in case there is an implementation,
00:18:55obviously,
00:18:56in the background,
00:18:57we need to make sure
00:18:58that we are taking everyone in confidence.
00:19:00Taking everyone in confidence,
00:19:02as PASHA,
00:19:03which is the Association of Software Houses,
00:19:06which represents the industry side,
00:19:08which represents the technology side,
00:19:11where if everyone is loaded,
00:19:13then everything becomes easy.
00:19:17Okay.
00:19:18Tell us one more thing.
00:19:20Because of VPN,
00:19:22the reason given,
00:19:23the app you are using,
00:19:25and the time you are using VPN,
00:19:27at that time,
00:19:28the internet really slows down.
00:19:30But,
00:19:31is it affecting the overall situation,
00:19:34which the freelancers are telling us,
00:19:36which the internet service providers are telling us,
00:19:39is this really a complaint without VPN?
00:19:44Absolutely.
00:19:45You will have to see
00:19:47when a freelancer or a company
00:19:50shifts to VPN.
00:19:52When he does not have the required traffic,
00:19:58he is not able to connect with that traffic,
00:20:01then he reroutes it.
00:20:03To reroute it,
00:20:04VPN is used.
00:20:05VPN itself,
00:20:07if I say,
00:20:09it slows down your process by 10%.
00:20:13However,
00:20:15the way we are talking,
00:20:18it is true that because of VPN,
00:20:21many of our processes are already disturbed.
00:20:24For example,
00:20:25those kids who were connecting through VPN,
00:20:28when your first IP is going from Pakistan,
00:20:31suddenly your IP shifts to the US.
00:20:34If VPN disconnects,
00:20:35then your IP shifts to another country.
00:20:38So, security protocols are breached,
00:20:40and your accounts are either temporarily down,
00:20:43or permanently down,
00:20:46or at least,
00:20:47you are in an insecure state.
00:20:49So, there is an impact,
00:20:51and it is a severe kind of impact.
00:20:53Especially on the industry,
00:20:55if we have lost $300 million,
00:20:57in the last 1-1.5 weeks,
00:20:59there has been a lot of damage.
00:21:01So, what is the solution to this?
00:21:03And in this,
00:21:04the major problem that we are seeing right now,
00:21:06what will you identify as an IT expert?
00:21:10See, the big problem is,
00:21:12I am sure,
00:21:13the implementation of firewalls,
00:21:15obviously,
00:21:16there are hurdles,
00:21:17because of which,
00:21:19we are facing traffic routing issues.
00:21:22When we face an issue,
00:21:25we always see that it has a domino effect.
00:21:28One after another.
00:21:30So, right now,
00:21:31because,
00:21:32regarding one thing,
00:21:33you don't have the awareness,
00:21:35that what is our implementation plan?
00:21:37If this implementation plan,
00:21:39was being rolled out in phases,
00:21:41that we have implemented 5% first,
00:21:43now we are implementing 15%,
00:21:45then slowly,
00:21:46over the span of 2-3 months,
00:21:48it had to be scaled to 100%.
00:21:50Then I could have given you a comprehensive answer,
00:21:53that what can be done on this,
00:21:55what cannot be done.
00:21:57But,
00:21:58if we don't have any official visibility,
00:22:01then I can't give you an exact plan on both things,
00:22:05that what will be the issue while rolling it out.
00:22:08And by any chance,
00:22:10if we have to roll it out,
00:22:12or if we have to roll it back,
00:22:14then what is the wisdom behind it?
00:22:16We don't have a clear stance on both,
00:22:18because,
00:22:19we don't have any clear information on it.
00:22:22And Mudassir,
00:22:23if we do a comparison,
00:22:25in terms of speed,
00:22:26the world has gone beyond 7G and 5G,
00:22:30we are still not getting rid of 4G,
00:22:32we haven't reached 5G completely.
00:22:35If we do a comparison,
00:22:36at this time,
00:22:37who is our speed matching?
00:22:392G, 3G, 4G,
00:22:40not 4G,
00:22:412G, 3G,
00:22:42where is it standing?
00:22:44We are definitely under 4G,
00:22:46because we are purely 4G.
00:22:48I am talking about the current speed of the internet.
00:22:51The current speed of the internet,
00:22:54you can't compare it with 4G, 2G,
00:22:57you can compare it,
00:22:59that at this time,
00:23:00you fall in such a particular state,
00:23:02or such a particular speed of internet,
00:23:06where video connectivity is not possible,
00:23:10or audio connectivity is not possible with the client.
00:23:13In some places,
00:23:16there is no issue on it.
00:23:17You and I are connected,
00:23:18we don't have to face any such issue.
00:23:20But,
00:23:213 days ago,
00:23:23we had to apologize to our client,
00:23:26that we can reschedule the call,
00:23:28because today,
00:23:29there is an issue in our connectivity.
00:23:31Fiverr had also put a notice on it.
00:23:33So, we cannot specify that we are 2G,
00:23:353G, or 4G.
00:23:36Yes, we can specify that we lose a lot of traffic.
00:23:40We have to face a lot of distortion and disturbance at this time.
00:23:45Which is obviously,
00:23:46has a very bad impact in the global market.
00:23:50You have a brand,
00:23:51you have spent 10-15 years,
00:23:52boosting the technology so much,
00:23:54the government is spent.
00:23:56Whether it was Tech Destination,
00:23:58Pasha,
00:23:59PSF,
00:24:00there is a lot of effort behind it.
00:24:02Where you are recognized globally,
00:24:04on Jitex,
00:24:07on GDC,
00:24:08on Game Dev Conference,
00:24:10or on Jitex,
00:24:11or you go to Leap in Saudi,
00:24:13people recognize you as an IT industry.
00:24:15But, because of such issues,
00:24:17people again,
00:24:18see,
00:24:19your reputational loss is very big.
00:24:21I emphasize on this again and again,
00:24:23that monetary value loss is something which is repairable.
00:24:28But, your reputational loss,
00:24:31that is irreparable.
00:24:32You have to avoid that.
00:24:34To avoid that,
00:24:35you have to trust the institutions on the ground.
00:24:39Pasha is available here,
00:24:41which represents the industry.
00:24:43So, I think,
00:24:44if we don't trust them,
00:24:45then obviously,
00:24:47everything will be a blind side for us.
00:24:49Absolutely.
00:24:50Mudassir, tell us one more thing,
00:24:51if we want to know for the convenience of the public,
00:24:54because we are being told that our IT export is performing very well.
00:24:59The figures for June and July are telling us this.
00:25:03If there is a net slowdown in the current situation,
00:25:06people are facing difficulties,
00:25:08freelancers are facing difficulties,
00:25:10how much loss are we in at the moment?
00:25:12What is the monthly and yearly loss?
00:25:15Okay.
00:25:16Your best trajectory at this time was 3.2 billion dollars.
00:25:21Okay.
00:25:22Last year, due to unfortunate reasons,
00:25:24it went to 2.8 billion,
00:25:26but after that,
00:25:28in the last 7-8 months,
00:25:31we have again started performing.
00:25:33We have taken a 17-24% hike again.
00:25:37But due to this particular reason,
00:25:40like we are facing today,
00:25:42and it happened once a month ago,
00:25:44so we have estimated that we have lost 300 million dollars in one and a half weeks.
00:25:54So this is a loss on which we can give justification.
00:25:59I will give you an example that CureMD is a very big group.
00:26:04It is in Pakistan,
00:26:05which is operating in telehealth.
00:26:09It is providing services in 26 different states of the US.
00:26:13If four connectivity lines are closed in such a critical center,
00:26:20then you can see that you have given a lot of loss to just one company.
00:26:26You have given a lot of monetary loss to it.
00:26:29So this is a matter of one company.
00:26:30I am sure that there are thousands of such companies in Pakistan.
00:26:33Because as a technology hub,
00:26:36we are one of the very amazing destinations
00:26:40where there is talent in Pakistan,
00:26:42there are excellent companies in Pakistan,
00:26:44top-of-the-line companies across the globe.
00:26:46We support them and work with them.
00:26:49So much Mudassir was with us,
00:26:51and you told us a lot of things as an IT expert.
00:26:53You can estimate the loss,
00:26:55and this loss is a big loss,
00:26:57but especially of those individuals,
00:27:00young boys and girls,
00:27:02who are trying to earn in their own capacity,
00:27:04with their own hard work.
00:27:07You know that jobs are not available at the moment,
00:27:11they are not able to earn as much as they can.
00:27:13Their purchasing power has decreased.
00:27:16Electricity bills are higher than house rents.
00:27:19So if someone is earning in their own capacity,
00:27:22through the internet,
00:27:24and you are bringing a little change to your country,
00:27:26we need dollars right now.
00:27:28So we should make it easier for them.
00:27:31We should not give a vague statement on this.
00:27:34And if there is a reason for the firewall,
00:27:36which the government has not told us officially,
00:27:39then IT experts say that
00:27:41if we are given on board on this,
00:27:44then we can do better on this.
00:27:46Because everyone wants that
00:27:48there should not be digital terrorism in the country.
00:27:51But if we move forward on this in a better way,
00:27:54knowing all the technical expertise,
00:27:56then a lot can be improved.
00:27:58We hope and pray that the problems of the country are removed,
00:28:01and we can do what we want to do,
00:28:03and we can be connected globally with the world.
00:28:07So let's take a break here.
00:28:09Stay connected with us.
00:28:15Welcome back once again.
00:28:17Now let's talk about the weather.
00:28:20Because the monsoon is wreaking havoc.
00:28:23And the news that we are receiving
00:28:25from different cities and provinces of the country,
00:28:28is very concerning.
00:28:30Especially if you talk about Sindh and Balochistan,
00:28:33the rains have wreaked havoc here.
00:28:35If you look at the scenery right now,
00:28:37you can see that there is a flood.
00:28:41We can see that the houses have been damaged due to the rain.
00:28:44Now if we talk about Sindh and Balochistan,
00:28:47the vast land, especially the ready crops,
00:28:50have been damaged.
00:28:52Similarly, if we talk about Sakhar,
00:28:54that is, if we talk about Sindh,
00:28:56there have not been so many rains in Karachi,
00:28:58except for a few areas.
00:29:00But if we talk about Sakhar,
00:29:02then there has been a 70-year record of rain in Sakhar.
00:29:05After 300 mm of rain here,
00:29:07the condition of Sakhar is such that
00:29:10you can see water everywhere,
00:29:12in the streets, on the roads.
00:29:14And what has happened because of this?
00:29:16Obviously, the follow-up to this is that
00:29:18the electricity system,
00:29:20the roads, the roads are broken.
00:29:22It becomes difficult for people
00:29:24to live on a daily basis.
00:29:26Now, this whole situation
00:29:28is not only up to this point.
00:29:30In our country, where we see
00:29:32that the facilities are less,
00:29:34when people's lives are affected
00:29:36in such a way,
00:29:38then there is a lot of burden.
00:29:40The ancient ruins of Mohenjo-daro
00:29:42have also been affected by the rain
00:29:44and the walls have been severely damaged.
00:29:46So, this is the situation in Sindh.
00:29:48We are also seeing similar situations
00:29:50in Nosher and Feroz.
00:29:52When we go to Balochistan,
00:29:54there too, the flood has caused destruction.
00:29:56Talk about Mastong,
00:29:58similarly, the second area,
00:30:00Nasirabad, Ustah Muhammad,
00:30:02here the drunken areas have also come down.
00:30:04The streets, the roads,
00:30:06have been submerged in water.
00:30:08And Balochistan, you know,
00:30:10was already more affected
00:30:12than the flood that came two years ago.
00:30:14And the work of repairing
00:30:16could not be completed.
00:30:18After that, a new scene
00:30:20is in front of us right now.
00:30:22What steps have been taken for this?
00:30:24What is being done?
00:30:26We will definitely tell you the details.
00:30:28Let's talk about Karachi once.
00:30:30Where did it rain in Karachi?
00:30:32In Karachi, it does not rain easily anywhere.
00:30:34If I talk about it,
00:30:36I have not seen it raining easily anywhere.
00:30:38But if we talk about Surjani town,
00:30:40Nasirabad and Orangi town,
00:30:42then it has rained here and
00:30:44there has been a devastating rain.
00:30:46If we talk from the perspective of Karachi,
00:30:48looking at the Karachi infrastructure,
00:30:50then this rain is devastating for Karachi.
00:30:52In the sense that in Surjani,
00:30:5470 mm have been recorded.
00:30:56In Orangi, 26 mm.
00:30:58And in Gulshan-e-Mehmar, 8 mm.
00:31:00So a lot is going on in Surjani right now.
00:31:04Our representative Anwar Khan
00:31:06will tell us more about this situation.
00:31:08Anwar, tell us,
00:31:10one area is Surjani town, 70 mm.
00:31:12In Gulshan-e-Mehmar, 8 mm.
00:31:14So far,
00:31:16what records have we seen?
00:31:18What numbers have we seen?
00:31:20In which areas has it rained?
00:31:22Especially apart from Surjani, where has it rained?
00:31:26If we talk about
00:31:28monsoon rains in Karachi,
00:31:30then it is said to be the 5th worst in Karachi.
00:31:32And even today,
00:31:34the lowest temperature is 38 degrees centigrade.
00:31:36And this temperature can go up to
00:31:3832 degrees centigrade.
00:31:40And in the air,
00:31:42if we talk about 90-93%,
00:31:44in Karachi, the highest rainfall
00:31:46was 17.4 mm in Surjani town.
00:31:48And in Surjani town,
00:31:50the reason for the rain to be recorded
00:31:52was that after that,
00:31:54in different parts of Karachi,
00:31:56the Nikasi system
00:31:58is completely safe.
00:32:00If we talk about only one district of Karachi,
00:32:02the different areas of Karachi,
00:32:04if we talk about the gardens,
00:32:06if we talk about the urban areas,
00:32:08the Nikasi system
00:32:10is in a very serious condition.
00:32:12And in the urban areas of Surjani town,
00:32:14the Nikasi system
00:32:16is in a very serious condition.
00:32:18And the drainage system is completely
00:32:20damaged.
00:32:22This rain is 17.4 mm,
00:32:24this is the least amount of rain
00:32:26that has drained out the water.
00:32:28But the situation is that the broken roads
00:32:30and the Nikasi system
00:32:32are not being maintained.
00:32:34In the urban areas of Karachi,
00:32:36you can see the garden east
00:32:38where the Nikasi system
00:32:40is completely safe.
00:32:42As a result of rain and water,
00:32:44there is a lot of smell.
00:32:46And in Karachi, there is very light rain.
00:32:48And in the coming days,
00:32:50I will tell you that
00:32:52there is a system of rain.
00:32:54Anwar, tell me one thing.
00:32:56There was no rain in the whole area of Karachi.
00:32:58There was no rain in the whole city.
00:33:00In some areas where it rained,
00:33:02it rained 70 mm in Surjani.
00:33:04So what is the reason
00:33:06that the water has not been
00:33:08drained out from here?
00:33:10There is not much work,
00:33:12machinery has also been available
00:33:14and it is not raining continuously.
00:33:16See, the basic reason
00:33:18is that the work should have been
00:33:20completed in the city.
00:33:22High alerts are issued
00:33:24on the basis of incidents.
00:33:26In spite of this,
00:33:28the various streets
00:33:30of Karachi
00:33:32had to be completed
00:33:34under the click
00:33:36of the World Bank.
00:33:38And a week before and
00:33:40a week after the rain,
00:33:42there was a clear instruction
00:33:44from the Mayor of Karachi
00:33:46that 25 streets of Karachi
00:33:48should be completed.
00:33:50However, despite the instructions
00:33:52of the Mayor of Karachi,
00:33:54this work has not been completed
00:33:56under the click of the World Bank.
00:33:58These are the basic reasons
00:34:00due to which it is difficult
00:34:02to control the situation.
00:34:06Thank you so much Anwar
00:34:08for reporting to us.
00:34:10There is rain in Karachi
00:34:12but not in the whole city.
00:34:14When we talk about rain,
00:34:16the financial loss is recovered
00:34:18but the loss of life
00:34:20is something that can never be recovered.
00:34:22The recent rainfall in Sindh, Punjab
00:34:24and Balochistan
00:34:26and the number of deaths
00:34:28have also been reported.
00:34:30Within 24 hours,
00:34:32it has been reported that
00:34:3418 people including 8 children
00:34:36have died in various accidents.
00:34:38Two girls drowned
00:34:40in a dam in Pashin.
00:34:42We have received this news.
00:34:44Two girls have been found dead
00:34:46in the area of Makin.
00:34:48In Mastom, there is a flood
00:34:50which has put people's lives
00:34:52and wealth at risk.
00:34:54An old woman has drowned here.
00:34:56In Panjgore,
00:34:58a man has drowned here.
00:35:00In Jhang,
00:35:02two children drowned
00:35:04due to the accumulation
00:35:06of water in the well.
00:35:08Similarly, in Pindi,
00:35:10the roof of a house has fallen
00:35:12and four people have been injured
00:35:14due to the fall of the roof.
00:35:16In Sadiqabad,
00:35:18a four-year-old girl
00:35:20and three people have been injured
00:35:22due to the fall of the roof.
00:35:24In Tabba Sultanpur,
00:35:26there was an incident
00:35:28of a power cut
00:35:30and one person drowned.
00:35:32Similarly, in Ladkana,
00:35:34a seven-year-old child
00:35:36drowned due to the accumulation
00:35:38of water in the house.
00:35:40In Shahdadkot,
00:35:42a girl drowned due to the fall
00:35:44of the roof of a house.
00:35:46Similarly, in Jacobabad,
00:35:48a girl drowned due to the fall
00:35:50of the roof.
00:35:52So, in just 24 hours,
00:35:54we have this death toll.
00:35:56Let's hope for the best
00:35:58so that people's lives
00:36:00are saved.
00:36:02Let's go to Sakkhar.
00:36:04As we have seen,
00:36:06the record of 70 years
00:36:08that we are seeing
00:36:10in millimetres
00:36:12is 300 millimetres.
00:36:14What is the situation now?
00:36:16What has been done
00:36:18for the rescue?
00:36:20We have with us
00:36:22Jahanzaib Wasi.
00:36:24Tell us how much
00:36:26is Sakkhar affected?
00:36:28Then we will know
00:36:30what is happening here.
00:36:32Sakkhar has been in the area
00:36:34for many days.
00:36:36The city has caused
00:36:38devastation in its surrounding areas.
00:36:40The rainwater that had accumulated
00:36:42in the surrounding areas
00:36:44could not be removed.
00:36:46Rainwater has still accumulated
00:36:48in various areas of the city.
00:36:50The lower areas are still
00:36:52in a very bad condition.
00:36:54If we talk about the iron market,
00:36:56the water has entered
00:36:58the houses of the citizens.
00:37:00The residents of the city
00:37:02have been rescued
00:37:04from the houses of the citizens.
00:37:06If we talk about Kureshi Ghot,
00:37:08the rainwater has still
00:37:10accumulated in Kureshi Ghot.
00:37:12More than 10 hours have passed
00:37:14and the rain has stopped.
00:37:16Despite this, the rainwater
00:37:18accumulated in the surrounding areas
00:37:20has not been removed.
00:37:22Despite completing all the preparations,
00:37:24the rainwater accumulated
00:37:26in the surrounding areas
00:37:28has not been removed.
00:37:30Because of this, the people
00:37:32are facing a lot of problems.
00:37:34According to the Municipal Corporation,
00:37:36the rainfall in Sakhar
00:37:38has never been recorded
00:37:40as much as it has been recorded
00:37:42in recent days.
00:37:44The rainfall in the surrounding areas
00:37:46of Sakhar has been recorded
00:37:48as 290 mm.
00:37:50The most rainfall in Sindh
00:37:52has been recorded in Sakhar.
00:37:54Jhansi, thank you so much
00:37:56for telling us about the condition of Sakhar.
00:37:58Now let's talk about KP.
00:38:00KP is a mountainous area.
00:38:02Landsliding often causes
00:38:04a lot of damage here.
00:38:06Landsliding often causes
00:38:08a lot of damage here.
00:38:10Landsliding often causes
00:38:12a lot of damage here.
00:38:14Landsliding often causes
00:38:16a lot of damage here.
00:38:18Landsliding often causes
00:38:20a lot of damage here.
00:38:22Landsliding often causes
00:38:24a lot of damage here.
00:38:26Landsliding often causes
00:38:28a lot of damage here.
00:38:30Landsliding often causes
00:38:32a lot of damage here.
00:38:34Landsliding often causes
00:38:36a lot of damage here.
00:38:38Landsliding often causes
00:38:40a lot of damage here.
00:38:42Landsliding often causes
00:38:44a lot of damage here.
00:38:46Landsliding often causes
00:38:48a lot of damage here.
00:38:50Landsliding often causes
00:38:52a lot of damage here.
00:38:54Landsliding often causes
00:38:56a lot of damage here.
00:38:58Landsliding often causes
00:39:00a lot of damage here.
00:39:02Landsliding often causes
00:39:04a lot of damage here.
00:39:06Keep
00:39:26So there was an artificial lake there.
00:39:29Now the water of the lake was stopped there for 10 to 12 days.
00:39:34Because of which this mountain was cut off.
00:39:38And since the last 3-4 days, this landshedding has been happening there.
00:39:42There is a village of Lassa Dehlu on top of this mountain.
00:39:47There is a lot of population there.
00:39:49It was very dangerous.
00:39:51And there is a lot of fear and secrecy among the people there.
00:39:53Some of the houses of that village have been evacuated.
00:39:58And have been moved to other places.
00:40:00Now the current situation is that the machinery that is being used to cut off the lake
00:40:06People say that it is a very small machinery.
00:40:09Because the stones of the mountain are very big.
00:40:12To remove them, a new and heavy machinery is needed.
00:40:15And as soon as possible, the direction of the lake was not followed as per tradition.
00:40:21Is it necessary, Tahir?
00:40:22So it has been moved and is there in a large number?
00:40:27Yes, sorry?
00:40:29Tahir, is the heavy machinery there in the required number?
00:40:34No, the heavy machinery is being moved.
00:40:39The machinery that is working there is a small machinery.
00:40:42It is not a matter of how big the stones can be removed.
00:40:46Now, if this water does not break the direction of this lake,
00:40:51If this water increases, then it will also have a bad effect on the market and the population.
00:40:58And the mines of the cities can also be affected by this.
00:41:01But the need is that the prevention should be done as soon as possible.
00:41:07What measures are being taken for prevention?
00:41:09You said that many areas can be affected by this.
00:41:12If it passes from Labirela, from those areas.
00:41:14So are preventive measures being taken or not?
00:41:17What we spoke to the district administration is that we are working and the machinery is being transported there.
00:41:25Because this is a very big area and a very big stone.
00:41:28You can see that there are very big stones lying on the other side of the river.
00:41:33It will take a lot of time to remove them.
00:41:35Now look, on the other hand, the NDMA has also issued a disaster alert in relation to today.
00:41:43If this kind of flood passes through this area again, then there will be a lot of destruction.
00:41:49That is why it is necessary that the authorities clean the drain from where the flood used to be.
00:42:00Now, it should not be seen that when there is an accident, then they go and run and work.
00:42:05You said that it should not be seen that when there is an accident, then they go and run and work.
00:42:12The precautionary steps that can be taken first, from which the infrastructure can be saved, people's lives should definitely take that step.
00:42:20Thank you so much Tahir.
00:42:22And it is important that the areas from where the flood has to pass can be saved at this time.
00:42:29If the flood is stopped there in advance, then a lot can happen.
00:42:32But as you have seen the landslide incident, heavy machinery could not reach there.
00:42:38So we pray for good, especially for the monitoring area and the area of Makino.
00:42:43Let's move on, let's include the news from Khairpur.
00:42:46In Khairpur, in Pirjo Ghot, five people, including three children, died from drinking contaminated milk.
00:42:53And the police are telling us in more detail that the condition of two children is worrisome due to drinking contaminated milk,
00:42:59who are being given medical assistance in the hospital at the moment.
00:43:09After Sindh, we had stopped at KP.
00:43:12After KP, let's move towards Balochistan.
00:43:14There too, we are seeing the scenes of devastation from the recent rains.
00:43:18And if we talk about Austin Mohammed at the moment,
00:43:21there is water everywhere due to the recent rains.
00:43:26Especially the drunken areas are very affected.
00:43:29And the sewage system is very bad.
00:43:31Mixing rain and dirty water does not even have clean drinking water here at the moment.
00:43:37And there has been no electricity for five days.
00:43:39And for almost the whole day, Austin Mohammed's Makino is saying that there is no electricity.
00:43:44So they are facing a lot of difficulties.
00:43:46And similarly, there are many such areas where we are seeing that due to the rains,
00:43:52we are seeing this situation in all the areas.
00:43:57Now we pray that things get better here,
00:44:01especially to save people's lives.
00:44:03This is always the first priority.
00:44:05And if we focus more on this, a lot can be better.
00:44:09When we are talking about things getting better,
00:44:12we point out a lot of things.
00:44:15The job of the media is to highlight those areas,
00:44:19highlight those issues where things are going wrong.
00:44:22There is room for improvement.
00:44:24So that the government can focus on that.
00:44:26But it is also important to mention those things where a lot is getting better.
00:44:31So that people's trust is maintained.
00:44:34So the National Institute of Child Health in Karachi
00:44:36is known as a well-known center for child health care.
00:44:40And we see a lot of concern about children's health.
00:44:45So what are the facilities here?
00:44:47What is the technology?
00:44:48And how many talented people come from here?
00:44:51We will show you a report on this.
00:45:01National Institute of Child Health,
00:45:03which is the largest hospital for children in Sindh.
00:45:06In 2010, this institute started working with a separate entity
00:45:11as a hospital for children.
00:45:14And after that, the Sindh government has been monitoring it.
00:45:21With time, a lot of new departments have been established.
00:45:24And a lot of new services have been provided for children.
00:45:28In this hospital, there are about 35 areas
00:45:32where we provide subspecialties for children.
00:45:35We also provide medical services to children.
00:45:42We also have our own laboratory.
00:45:44Most of the routine tests are performed through our laboratory.
00:45:49And through these reports,
00:45:51children are treated based on laboratory reports.
00:45:55And this hospital provides free of cost services.
00:46:00And I am grateful to the Sindh government
00:46:04for bringing us together to this level
00:46:08so that we can treat our patients for free.
00:46:15So you have seen how technology is being used.
00:46:19If we talk about hospitals in Sindh,
00:46:22we see a much better situation here.
00:46:25There is room for improvement.
00:46:27We are taking a break here.
00:46:29We will be back after the break.
00:46:30You don't have to go anywhere.
00:46:35Assalam-o-Alaikum.
00:46:37Once again, welcome back to Bakhabar Savera.
00:46:41And Subh Savera is our show.
00:46:43And if you miss anything in this show,
00:46:47we will mention it for you.
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00:47:11I hope you have a good start to the day.
00:47:14The weather is pleasant these days.
00:47:16But the schools are open for children.
00:47:19So it will be difficult to get back to routine.
00:47:23They will not get used to waking up late at night
00:47:26and getting up late in the morning.
00:47:28So we will try to get them back to routine.
00:47:32But there are many mothers who are relieved
00:47:36that their children have gone to school.
00:47:38Otherwise, they would have suffered a lot if they were at home.
00:47:41So they have also taken a deep breath of relief.
00:47:44Let's move ahead and start the show.
00:47:47We have tried to make this hour full of such segments
00:47:52so that you can get information and talk about the issues.
00:47:56Let's start with Deh Ameer.
00:47:59Deh Ameer is a nearby area of Thor Minar.
00:48:02Five people have lost their lives and three people have been injured
00:48:05due to a car crash here.
00:48:07What is this incident?
00:48:09Shafiullah will tell you the details.
00:48:11Yes, Shafi.
00:48:14This is a sad incident in the district of Gilgit-Baltistan.
00:48:21Five people have lost their lives and three people have been injured
00:48:25due to a car crash here.
00:48:27This is a sad incident in the district of Gilgit-Baltistan.
00:48:30Five people have lost their lives and three people have been injured
00:48:33due to a car crash here.
00:48:35This is a sad incident in the district of Gilgit-Baltistan.
00:48:38This is a sad incident in the district of Gilgit-Baltistan.
00:48:41This is a sad incident in the district of Gilgit-Baltistan.
00:48:44This is a sad incident in the district of Gilgit-Baltistan.
00:48:47Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.
00:48:51Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.
00:48:54Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.
00:48:57Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.
00:49:00Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.
00:49:03Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.
00:49:06Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.
00:49:09Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.
00:49:12Another worker has lost his life due to a car crash here.
00:49:15We have as many as two victims so far.
00:49:18We have as many as two victims so far.
00:49:27This worker had run away from home for work
00:49:30This worker had run away from home for work
00:49:38The relief operations are still going on and there is a lot of damage.
00:49:45The relief operations are still going on, thank you so much Shafiq.
00:49:48Shafiq, our representatives were telling us about this incident.
00:49:52First of all, there is a lot of damage caused by the rains.
00:49:55Secondly, there are a lot of incidents like this where people are trying to get out of their areas and reach their destination.
00:50:04There is an incident in Ghotki where a family from Mansehra, Karachi, was affected.
00:50:12The coach was also affected by this incident.
00:50:14Eight people have lost their lives in this incident.
00:50:17So, we pray that people stay safe and sound.
00:50:20Such incidents are happening every year.
00:50:23Because of the rains and the destruction on the roads, we are seeing an increase in these incidents.
00:50:31Let's move ahead and talk about the era we are in now.
00:50:36When we read history in the past, we talk about the Age of Enlightenment, Renaissance, Industrial Revolution.
00:50:45So, the journey of human progress has a long history.
00:50:50And in this long history, the era we are living in today is also called the Information Era along with the age of technology.
00:50:58The amount of information and awareness people have today, the past generation did not have that awareness.
00:51:05Whether it is through the internet or through the media, a lot of awareness and issues are being talked about openly.
00:51:13But at a time like this, when we report such incidents and traditions that used to happen in the past,
00:51:23we are surprised to see that such incidents are still happening.
00:51:29An incident similar to this has happened in the area of Dadu, Khan Muhammad Malla Ghot.
00:51:34Here, in exchange for money, 45 young girls, not one, not two, not three,
00:51:4145 young girls, I will call them girls, young girls have been married.
00:51:47This is the 22nd incident.
00:51:49Now, the Prime Minister of Sindh has taken notice of this whole situation.
00:51:52He has also asked the Commissioner of Hyderabad to give him a report.
00:51:56And it has been instructed to present the details of all the incidents that caused it.
00:52:02Now, the most concerning thing here is that the Prime Minister has also asked this question.
00:52:07Are these the girls who have been married?
00:52:11Are these the girls who belong to those families who are under the influence?
00:52:17If you remember, two years ago, there was a flood in Sindh and Balochistan.
00:52:21And the people who were destroyed, their entire life savings, their homes,
00:52:26the hard work they had made, the things they had kept for their daughters' marriage,
00:52:31whatever was their property, the means, all that was lost.
00:52:34The roof had gone from their heads.
00:52:36They were helpless.
00:52:38In such a situation, if this has happened to those girls, then you can guess what a great injustice it is.
00:52:44Now, the Prime Minister has taken notice.
00:52:46And let's see how long he gets the report.
00:52:50But these incidents are very worrisome.
00:52:52And why are such incidents happening?
00:52:54Is there a lack of education? Is there a lack of awareness?
00:52:57And who are these people who still marry girls for money?
00:53:03And marry young girls who are still young enough to get an education.
00:53:09Which is considered a crime in our society.
00:53:13Let's talk about this.
00:53:14We have Sadia Javed with us from the Sindh Government.
00:53:16Sadia, first tell us about this incident.
00:53:19The number that is coming up, 45 girls are being told.
00:53:22How old will they be?
00:53:24In the name of God, most Gracious, most Merciful.
00:53:27Thank you very much.
00:53:28You invited me to talk about an important topic on the morning show.
00:53:35So, thank you.
00:53:38I have personally spoken to the Deputy Commissioner in the area.
00:53:43And I have also spoken to a couple of notables there.
00:53:48They have totally denied this.
00:53:52First, let me make it clear to you.
00:53:54They are totally denying it.
00:53:56The people of the village there.
00:53:58This is the village next to the bank in Manchal Jeel.
00:54:02Where the incident has been reported.
00:54:04I have been in touch with the Deputy Commissioner for the past two days.
00:54:09I have also taken updates from him on various occasions.
00:54:14I have tried to reach out to his family in the Sindh Government.
00:54:20The CM has also taken notice.
00:54:26You are saying that the people there are denying it.
00:54:29What is the Commissioner telling us?
00:54:31Because the Minister is asking a question beyond this.
00:54:33He is asking about the victims.
00:54:35The girls.
00:54:36Do they belong to those families who are affected by floods?
00:54:40Look, because this is the report.
00:54:43But the Deputy Commissioner has sent me a message.
00:54:49He has denied that such an incident has been reported in that area.
00:54:53That is why the CM initiated an inquiry.
00:54:57Under the head of Commissioner Hyderabad.
00:55:00And he has asked for an inquiry.
00:55:03Because we have all the numbers.
00:55:07The flood victims.
00:55:09How much relief has the Sindh Government given them?
00:55:12We also have that.
00:55:14So this complaint cannot be made.
00:55:17The place where these people live.
00:55:19Most of the people there work as fishermen.
00:55:22So at the moment, it is not an issue that the parents are in that crisis.
00:55:28But this incident.
00:55:30Such incidents should not happen.
00:55:33But you are not confirmed yet.
00:55:36You are saying that such incidents should not happen.
00:55:38Tell me one thing.
00:55:40The Sindh Government has a very strong law on this.
00:55:45Regarding the marriages of young girls.
00:55:47So tell me.
00:55:48If this incident has happened.
00:55:50If this report comes in front of you.
00:55:52Then what is the status of these marriages?
00:55:54And then the Sindh Government has brought its own law.
00:55:57Will it apply?
00:55:58What does that law say?
00:56:00Yes, absolutely.
00:56:02Sindh was the first province.
00:56:04Which had a marriage limit of 18 years.
00:56:08Of children and girls.
00:56:10Because this report used to happen many times.
00:56:14Marriage at a young age.
00:56:15Parents forced it.
00:56:17They made arrangements for money.
00:56:18It was a matter of conversion.
00:56:21If this matter is correct.
00:56:24And what the CM has done.
00:56:27Then the law will come into effect.
00:56:29There will be action against those parents.
00:56:32Who have forced their daughters.
00:56:35Married at a young age.
00:56:37And what has happened.
00:56:39There will be action against them too.
00:56:40Actually, they should come.
00:56:42Who are exploiting their financial situation.
00:56:48They are exploiting their life.
00:56:51They are exploiting their poverty.
00:56:53They are exploiting the girls.
00:56:55They are exploiting them.
00:56:57These people are marrying them.
00:56:59Actually, they should find out who they are.
00:57:01No, look.
00:57:03Both the parents.
00:57:05Both the parents.
00:57:07If this incident has happened.
00:57:10I am still saying.
00:57:11Because the final report has not come yet.
00:57:13The day before yesterday.
00:57:15The CM has said for the committee.
00:57:18Yesterday was Sunday.
00:57:20There was no working day.
00:57:22But the Deputy Commissioner was in contact with Dadu.
00:57:26And he is working on it.
00:57:28Very soon.
00:57:30He is saying in 2-3 days.
00:57:32That we will clear it.
00:57:34And if this incident has happened.
00:57:36And there is a marriage inside.
00:57:38The law will take its course.
00:57:43And both the parents.
00:57:45Should be punished.
00:57:47Such incidents should not happen.
00:57:49And especially.
00:57:51To Sailabh.
00:57:53Or to anyone.
00:57:55By showing compulsion.
00:57:57This is wrong.
00:57:59We have sent Sailabh.
00:58:01For you, it is concerning.
00:58:03That 45-year-old girls.
00:58:05This is not an individual incident.
00:58:07This is considered an activity.
00:58:09Which was organized.
00:58:11There can be a lot of people behind this.
00:58:13There can be an influential personality.
00:58:15Yes.
00:58:17Absolutely.
00:58:19This is wrong.
00:58:21In the world.
00:58:23This is wrong.
00:58:25The image of the Sindh government is wrong.
00:58:27Inside.
00:58:29Marriages are taking place.
00:58:31Or.
00:58:33Whoever is trying to exploit it.
00:58:35If wrong exploitation is taking place.
00:58:37That should also be enquired.
00:58:39It should be checked.
00:58:41This is wrong.
00:58:43We have not supported it.
00:58:45I think you remember.
00:58:47We expect this from the Sindh government.
00:58:49Because the Sindh government.
00:58:51Is very vocal about these issues.
00:58:53Implementation should also be on the law.
00:58:55There should not be legislation.
00:58:57You will be with us.
00:58:59Because your video.
00:59:01Is on the internet.
00:59:03In which.
00:59:05You have given the message.
00:59:07That.
00:59:09Electricity bills.
00:59:11Are a big burden for people.
00:59:13After a long time.
00:59:15Mian Mohammad Nawaz Sharif.
00:59:17He is the leader of Muslim League Noon.
00:59:19He did a press conference.
00:59:21With the Prime Minister of Punjab.
00:59:23He said that.
00:59:25He is aware of the problems.
00:59:27That the people are facing.
00:59:29Relief has been given to the extent of Punjab.
00:59:3114 rupees.
00:59:3314 rupees have been reduced.
00:59:35So that people can get relief.
00:59:37This is a very good decision.
00:59:39For the people of Punjab.
00:59:41This is a very good news.
00:59:43But the problem is.
00:59:45People are asking from every province.
00:59:47When will we get relief?
00:59:49The governor of Sindh.
00:59:51Kamran Tesori.
00:59:53He said that.
00:59:55The Sindh government should also.
00:59:57Give relief to the people of Sindh.
00:59:59And if there is a chance.
01:00:01Then why not.
01:00:03You responded to him.
01:00:05And you said in your video message.
01:00:07That we will give relief.
01:00:09This is a very good news.
01:00:11When will we get relief?
01:00:13Will 14 rupees per unit be reduced?
01:00:15In electricity bills.
01:00:17Yes.
01:00:19I responded to the governor yesterday.
01:00:21I told the governor.
01:00:23That.
01:00:25Such things.
01:00:27Unnecessary.
01:00:29Unnecessary.
01:00:31He is a smart man.
01:00:33And he should be smart.
01:00:37Such a point scoring.
01:00:39Is harmful to the country.
01:00:41Pakistan is in an energy crisis.
01:00:43He is talking for the good of the people.
01:00:45He is talking for the good of the people.
01:00:47But he should think.
01:00:49He is a symbol of loyalty.
01:00:51He should have talked to.
01:00:53The Prime Minister of Pakistan.
01:00:55He should have asked him.
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01:15:55Basically, we are not doing
01:15:57just seed balling.
01:15:59In fact,
01:16:01since there were school holidays,
01:16:03our idea is to
01:16:05bring together the kids of the school
01:16:07area-wise and get seed balls
01:16:09made from the kids of the school
01:16:11for their awareness
01:16:13of the importance
01:16:15of trees.
01:16:17For their awareness,
01:16:19we will bring together the kids of the school
01:16:21and get them to plant trees.
01:16:23If you do not plant the importance
01:16:25of trees in the minds of the kids
01:16:27from the grassroots level,
01:16:29then their success will be very difficult.
01:16:31The personal experience
01:16:33in which you get the sense that
01:16:35I have also planted a part
01:16:37for the betterment of this country,
01:16:39for the prosperity of this country,
01:16:41it matters a lot and it gets
01:16:43etched in your memory
01:16:45and your thinking moves forward in the same way.
01:16:47Thank you so much, Mr. Sajjad.
01:16:49This is a great initiative.
01:16:51It will take time,
01:16:53but we will have to start at some point.
01:16:55Let's take a break here
01:16:57and come back after the break.
01:17:05Welcome back once again.
01:17:07Let's talk about health.
01:17:09There is a lot of news these days,
01:17:11especially when the World Health Organization
01:17:13has warned the world
01:17:15that the monkeypox,
01:17:17Mpox,
01:17:19can be a threat to the world.
01:17:21The report was in Africa.
01:17:23But it was said that
01:17:25it can be a threat to the world.
01:17:27And since COVID-19 has come,
01:17:29people all over the world
01:17:31get worried
01:17:33when such news comes
01:17:35that we have seen the situation
01:17:37that how COVID-19 has taken the world
01:17:39in its arms.
01:17:41People are already worried.
01:17:43Its name is associated with monkeys.
01:17:45But research by scientists
01:17:47shows that it is found in rats.
01:17:49We will try to find out
01:17:51how dangerous it is in Pakistan.
01:17:53Because in Mardan,
01:17:55after a case of Mpox was found,
01:17:57the government immediately
01:17:59intervened.
01:18:01And the patient was
01:18:03quarantined at home.
01:18:07Emergency has been implemented
01:18:09in hospitals across the district.
01:18:11Hospitals in Peshawar
01:18:13have also been alerted.
01:18:15Screening has been started
01:18:17at the airport in Karachi.
01:18:19Screening of passengers
01:18:21is going on for 24 hours.
01:18:23So that if such a virus is found
01:18:25in a passenger coming from
01:18:27a foreign country,
01:18:29then it can be isolated.
01:18:31Let's talk about the history
01:18:33of a unique case in Mardan.
01:18:35What is the history of that person?
01:18:37Did he travel from another country?
01:18:39Our representatives
01:18:41Musarrat Asi are with us.
01:18:43First of all, tell us
01:18:45how it was identified
01:18:47that he had Mpox.
01:18:49Did he travel from another country?
01:18:51Is he a citizen of that country?
01:18:53What are the details?
01:18:55The patient
01:18:57who was diagnosed with Mpox
01:18:59was a resident
01:19:01in Saudi Arabia.
01:19:03He had a job there.
01:19:05He had an accident
01:19:07and broke his leg.
01:19:09When he returned home,
01:19:11he went to a hospital in Peshawar
01:19:13for treatment.
01:19:15There,
01:19:17he was tested
01:19:19for Mpox
01:19:21and the result was positive.
01:19:23After that,
01:19:25the patient disappeared from the hospital.
01:19:27The local administration
01:19:29and the health department
01:19:31were very worried.
01:19:33They found him after two days.
01:19:35After finding him in Peshawar,
01:19:37they took him to a special
01:19:39area called Manga.
01:19:41He was transferred there
01:19:43and he was isolated
01:19:45in his house.
01:19:47The team of the health department
01:19:49visited the area
01:19:51under the leadership
01:19:53of Javed Iqbal.
01:19:55The patient
01:19:57whose name is
01:19:59Muslim Sehd
01:20:01was taken care of.
01:20:03I think it is important
01:20:05to say that this is the area
01:20:07where the first case
01:20:09of COVID-19
01:20:11was found in Pakistan.
01:20:13The first case
01:20:15was in Manga
01:20:17where
01:20:19a person named
01:20:21Saadat Khan
01:20:23died due to
01:20:25COVID-19.
01:20:27He was transferred
01:20:29to all the hospitals in Delhi.
01:20:31There are two big hospitals
01:20:33Mardan Medical Complex
01:20:35and Musarrat Hospital.
01:20:41Can you tell us about
01:20:43the symptoms of COVID-19?
01:20:45Do you have any information
01:20:47about it?
01:20:49The doctors said
01:20:51that
01:20:53in the first stage of COVID-19,
01:20:55there are some minor
01:20:57symptoms such as
01:20:59headache, body pain,
01:21:01fever,
01:21:03and a broken body.
01:21:05The doctors said
01:21:07that the patient
01:21:09was taken to
01:21:11Saudi Arabia
01:21:13and was
01:21:15admitted here.
01:21:17Thank you so much,
01:21:19Musarrat.
01:21:21You told us about the situation
01:21:23and scientists were
01:21:25investigating it.
01:21:27COVID-19 came
01:21:29and people lost their attention.
01:21:31Is there a vaccine for COVID-19?
01:21:33Do you have any information
01:21:35about COVID-19?
01:21:37Thank you so much,
01:21:39Musarrat.
01:21:41Let's talk about India.
01:21:43In India,
01:21:45COVID-19 is a very
01:21:47common case.
01:21:49Two students had a fight
01:21:51in school.
01:21:53There was a fight
01:21:55over notebooks and books.
01:21:57It became a big issue.
01:21:59There were many incidents
01:22:01such as burning,
01:22:03and the government
01:22:05had to shut down
01:22:07the internet.
01:22:09We can see the police
01:22:11everywhere.
01:22:13We can see that
01:22:15there is a Muslim student
01:22:17in the 10th grade.
01:22:19His friend
01:22:21had a fight with him.
01:22:23The government
01:22:25took the Muslim student
01:22:27under their custody.
01:22:29We can see that
01:22:31the students
01:22:33and their community
01:22:35are condemning
01:22:37such a small incident
01:22:39and taking such a step.
01:22:41It is illegal.
01:22:43We can see
01:22:45that the situation
01:22:47in India is volatile.
01:22:49The history
01:22:51against Muslims
01:22:53is volatile.
01:22:55We have with us
01:22:57the Kashmiri journalist,
01:22:59Mishal Malik.
01:23:01Thank you so much for joining us.
01:23:03Mishal,
01:23:05can you tell us
01:23:07about the incident
01:23:09involving the children
01:23:11and the riots?
01:23:13Is it so concerning
01:23:15that the situation
01:23:17can get worse?
01:23:19Why is the government
01:23:21taking illegal steps
01:23:23against Muslims?
01:23:25In India,
01:23:27anti-minority bills
01:23:29were passed by BJP
01:23:31in the last term.
01:23:33Along with that,
01:23:35the riots in Delhi
01:23:37against Muslims,
01:23:39especially against the Darbars,
01:23:41and the Ayodhya temple
01:23:43that was built
01:23:45after the martyrdom
01:23:47of Babri Mosque
01:23:49was a long-term agenda.
01:23:51Muslims are being forced to convert.
01:23:53Their homes are being burnt.
01:23:55Their property rights
01:23:57are being taken away.
01:23:59Christians are being demarcated
01:24:01and their churches
01:24:03are being demolished.
01:24:05It's all over India.
01:24:07This extreme racial
01:24:09prejudice and
01:24:11fascism
01:24:13is not stopping.
01:24:15It's not stopping
01:24:17but the voices
01:24:19are getting louder.
01:24:21Especially those
01:24:23who raise their voices
01:24:25for humanity.
01:24:27For example,
01:24:29in Kashmir,
01:24:31the world is silent
01:24:33on the atrocities
01:24:35committed in Kashmir.
01:24:37I hope that
01:24:39things get better
01:24:41and that peace
01:24:43is maintained
01:24:45in Kashmir
01:24:47I'll see you again tomorrow.
01:24:49Keep giving your feedback.
01:24:51Allah Hafiz.