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In this last episode of my proposed future Japanese tank tech tree series, we take a look at possible Japanese premiums, from Japanese prototypes such as the Type 97 Chi-Ni, captured allied tanks such as the M3 Stuart and even some imported German tanks such as the Panzer III!  Introduction: 00:00 FT-17/FT-Ko: 00:54 Renault NC1/Otsu-Gata: 03:31 M3 Stuart: 05:38 Type 3 Ke-Ri: 07:57 Type 97 Chi-Ni: 10:23 Panzer III (50mm) and Panzer III N: 12:04 Panther (not added) and Tiger I (Added in Update 1.65 "Way of the Samurai"): 15:44  Proposed Japanese Tank Tech Tree Japanese Light Tanks: https://youtu.be/a4La6cIj3U8 Japanese Medium Tanks (Part 1): https://youtu.be/6ZT_JiN0lFY Japanese Medium Tanks (Part 2): https://youtu.be/EQn_A3aWh8I Japanese Heavy Tanks: https://youtu.be/QhMx05tIZC4 Japanese Amphibious Tanks: https://youtu.be/4_paUh-5U30 Japanese Tank Destroyers & Assault Guns: https://youtu.be/w0Xxw9F-xyk Japanese SPAA: https://youtu.be/Oo0tpdRt9_k Japanese Premium Tanks: https://youtu.be/OxPzgNZo1wI  Link to Type 97 Chi-Ni: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Type_97_Chi-Ni.jpg  Information/picture citations: New Vanguard. Japanese tanks: 1939-45 http://www.weaponsofwwii.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3130&sid=55f981c6b914815120df08efa8e606be&start=15 Felton, M (2005) Yanagi: The Secret Underwater Trade Between Germany and Japan 1942-1945. Barnsley, Pen and Sword Maritime, pages 58-60  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AJapanese_FT-17.jpg By 日軍攝影師 [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AIJA_tank_in_Manchuria.jpg By Tokyo Nichinichi Shimbun (World War II database) [Public domain or Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char_D1 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_NC_1_bzw._NC_27 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Renault_NC1.jpg By niet toegeschrevenMWAK at nl.wikipedia [Public domain], from Wikimedia Commons  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/PhilippinesCapturedStuartTank.jpg This photographic image was published before December 31st 1956, or photographed before 1946, under the jurisdiction of the Government of Japan. Thus this photographic image is considered to be public domain according to article 23 of old copyright law of Japan (English translation) and article 2 of supplemental provision of copyright law of Japan.  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AType_3_Ke-Ri_in_the_Kubinka_Museum.jpg By Mike1979 Russia (Own work) [CC BY-SA 3.0 (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0)], via Wikimedia Commons  Social Media ⬇️ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/toreno.bsky.social Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/Toreno4 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/toreno170 Mastodon: Toreno17@mastodon.social Threads: https://www.threads.net/@toreno170 Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/Toreno17 Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/toreno5/videos   Game: War Thunder  ⬅️  #warthunder #japan #premium #tanks #japanese #toreno #2015

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00:00Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of my proposed future Japanese Tank

00:04Tech Tree series, or actually the last episode in the series.

00:08Today we're dealing with premium tanks, of which there aren't that many, but there is

00:12a decent amount there.

00:15Now I should point out I'm going to be a little bit rushed through this because I'm actually

00:18going on holiday in a few hours, so I do apologise if it's a little bit rushed.

00:23I should be coming back about Monday-ish time, so I should start to be able to put videos

00:28up again around about then, might be able to get one out on Sunday if I'm lucky, this

00:33one should be coming out on Friday, hopefully, I'm actually recording this on a Thursday.

00:39Also the 100 subscriber special, I've got to think of something to do with that, I'm

00:43almost at 100 subscribers, it's all crept up on me, but yeah that's all the news and

00:48introductions, so let's get straight into the episode, hope you enjoy it!

00:54Now the first tank we're looking at is the Renault FT-17, although I've also heard it

00:58being referred to as the FT-Co in Japanese service.

01:02Now this was a French tank, but it was imported by the Japanese.

01:07In my Japanese Tanks book by Zaloga, a small number of tanks were acquired for trial purposes

01:14starting with a single British Mk4 in October 1918, followed by about 6 British Medium A

01:19Whippet tanks and 13 French Renault FT tanks in 1919.

01:26It then goes on to say the first tank units were formed in 1925, with 5 Renault FT's being

01:30deployed with the 1st Tank Detachment of the 12th Division.

01:35Now I haven't mentioned the Whippets or Mk4 in my tech tree, because 1, the Whippets were

01:39only armed with machine guns, and the Mk4 was a huge tank that had those sponsons on

01:45the side, it was basically like the original World War 1 tank, so it was the FT-17, it

01:49has a turret, a decent gun, all that sort of stuff.

01:53Now as far as I'm aware they were mostly used for training, although I have heard some

01:56references to them being used in China.

01:59Now these were quite similar to the ordinary FT-17s from what I understand, armed with

02:05the 37mm cannon, which had about 27mm of penetration with an M1916 round, or 31 with a M1927, as

02:16far as I'm aware they're both armour-piercing rounds.

02:19It doesn't say what range that is, so it's not the greatest of penetration, but again

02:24for a tier 1 tank that's kind of ok, but really it would only be limited to against reserve

02:31tier tanks, it would only be effective against reserve tier tanks, sorry.

02:36Armour isn't that great, 8-22mm, it's kind of better than the T-26, that's 15mm all around,

02:43but I think it's outclassed by the frontal arm of the Panzer II and the M2A4.

02:50Speed, what's the speed, as far as I'm aware it's about 4.7mph, quoting from the Illustrated

02:57Encyclopedia of Military Vehicles, very specific speed.

03:02And it had a crew of two, I'm assuming the driver and the gunner, so whether this be

03:06tier wise, tier 1 obviously, about rating 1, this would have to be pretty much a reserve

03:12tier tank, it's ok for a reserve tier tank, but it wouldn't be that great, but I also

03:19think it would be a very interesting premium, because it is a foreign tank but it was used

03:24by Japan, so hopefully there shouldn't be any problems with it, and I hope it does get

03:28added as a Japanese premium.

03:31Now the next tank is the Renault NC1, or apparently in Japanese service it was called the Renault

03:36Otsu Gata.

03:37Now again from the Japanese tanks book by Zaloga, 10 of these were ordered, because

03:43the Type 89 wasn't in production until 1931, so these were ordered in 1930.

03:49Now from what I understand they had I think 3 crew members, and they were quite mechanically

03:53unreliable, again according to the book by Zaloga, they were used at the Shanghai incident,

03:58but the suspension of the Renault NC1 was troublesome and the Type was retired.

04:06This is actually a picture of a Swedish vehicle, which was also sold around the same time.

04:11This is actually a sort of prototype of the Renault D1, but this has got a different turret,

04:17I believe it's got the same turret as the FT-17, so presumably it's going to have the

04:21same gun, which makes a bit of a problem for tiering, because it's got, ok, not particularly

04:27a great gun, but it did have around, I think 6-40mm of armour, when that sort was on the

04:34Char D2 medium tank, presumably the D1 and the NC1 would have similar armour, I've heard

04:4140mm for the NC1, so that must be roughly right, and apparently it could do about 11.6

04:48mph, or the D1 could, but again, prototypes should be able to do roughly the same.

04:54It's actually got almost similar armour to the M3 Grunt, slightly better armour than

05:00the early models of the Panzer III and Panzer IV, and I think inferior to the T-50, which

05:05is on the Russian tree, or it's got the same as the T-50 on the Russian tree.

05:11So where would this go?

05:13It would have to go at tier 1, because it's still got that really bad gun, but battle

05:19rating wise, 1.3, 1.67 at the very highest, because that gun's just going to be a massive

05:26liability.

05:27But I think it would be a nice little tank, and it should do very well, and I think it

05:30would be a very good premium, and again, like the FT-17, was actually used by the Japanese

05:35in quite large numbers.

05:38Now the next vehicle is a captured vehicle, or a captured M3 Stuart, and I know some in

05:43the War Thunder community have an absolute hatred for captured vehicles, but this type

05:48of vehicle is captured on a few occasions, so it's not like a one-off or anything.

05:53Read in again from my book by Saloga, which I'll probably be doing for most of this episode,

05:58if I can just find it, yeah, quote in from the book, two Shinoto Chihas took part in

06:02the Kurokudo landing, along with one captured M3 light tank commanded by the detachment

06:06leader Major Matsuoka, unquote, and then later on when talking about Burma, it says, the

06:15only armour the Japanese committed to Burma was the 14th Tank Regiment, which had remained

06:20since the 1942 campaign.

06:22It was so poorly equipped that its 4th company used Stuart-like tanks captured from the retreat

06:27in British 7th Armoured Brigade in 1942.

06:31The fact it was used by a detachment leader at Kurokudo, and the fact it says Stuart-like

06:36tanks when talking about the 4th company in Burma, implies that quite more than a few

06:42were captured, and, you know, it wasn't just a one-off thing.

06:45Luckily for us, when we're talking about stats, all we have to do is go over to the game itself,

06:50and look at the in-game M3 Stuart.

06:52Now here's the American Tech Tree, and I believe it's the M3 Stuart, not the M3A1 that was

06:57captured, or at least that I'm suggested, because this was in production from April

07:02Talkers from 1942, the M3A1 that is, which is before, or after, the Battle of Kurokudo,

07:08which was where Major Matsuoka used an M3 light tank, so presumably it would have been

07:14an M3 Stuart, already produced and already stationed on the island.

07:18So let's take a look at it.

07:20Decent armour, 38mm at the front of the hull and turret, 25mm everywhere else.

07:26Lower glacis is around 33, or 30, because of sloping, except around the machine gun

07:32port where it's about 15.

07:35It's got 4 crew members, battle rating of 1.3.

07:38I think this would be a nice little Japanese premium.

07:41I know people don't like captured premiums, but this one actually makes sense, because

07:45it was captured in somewhat large numbers, it was used in combat, unlike some of the

07:49other ones, such as the Japanese B-17, and overall I think it would be a nice little

07:55Japanese premium.

07:56Now the next tank on the Tech Tree is the Type 3 Kiri, and I really wasn't sure whether

08:01to include this, which is why I've put it bolded and underlined.

08:04Now at first I didn't have much of a problem with it, there wasn't any information in my

08:08books, but there was a little bit of information on it online, and more importantly there was

08:13a photo of it at the Kabinka Tank Museum in Russia.

08:17However I noticed something a bit odd about the photo.

08:20This is the Type 3 Kiri, and this is the Type 4 Kinu.

08:24Now the Type 4 Kinu was basically a variant with a Type 97's 57mm gun put on it.

08:30The Type 3 Kiri is basically a proposed model with a 57mm gun as the main armament, but

08:36in the existing turret, or in a new turret.

08:39Now the difference between this Type 4 Kinu picture and the one of the Type 3 is that

08:44the Type 4 doesn't seem to have headlights, and it's got some different markings on the

08:48turret, but they look to be almost the exact same, well they pretty much are the exact

08:53same tank.

08:54They're even in the same spot, you've got the same two windows behind it.

08:57So I don't know if the Kabinka Tank Museum has got a bit confused, or if I've got something

09:01wrong, or I don't know.

09:04But basically, from what I understand, this would be quite similar to the regular Type

09:0895, except for the 57mm gun, which we've discussed before has pretty bad penetration, except

09:14with high explosive anti-tank, which I believe gave it around 55mm of penetration.

09:21Armour I'm guessing is going to be similar to the Type 95, 12mm on the hull, turret front,

09:26turret side and hull side, as well as the turret and hull rear, 9mm on the top and bottom,

09:31probably a speed of about 18mph still.

09:34I don't know if the crew changed when adding the new gun, but I've heard it wasn't a very

09:39good design, so I'm guessing it was probably the same crew, probably a bit cramped.

09:45What battle rating would I put this at?

09:47I believe I said the Type 4 Kinu, which is quite similar to this, would have been a battle

09:51rating of 2, maximum of 2.3.

09:54This should probably be about 1.7 to 2 would be the max, because it's got the same gun,

10:00but it seems to have a similar turret to the Type 95, so quite bad armour still.

10:06I think it would be a nice tank to have in the game, although, like I said, there's a

10:09lot of confusion about it, so that's probably not going to help much while looking for documents

10:14on it, but it would be nice if it could be added in, I hope it could be added in, I think

10:19it would be a nice little tank for the Japanese.

10:23Now the next tank on the list is the Type 97 Chiny, I hope I pronounced it right, again

10:29can't actually show the pictures of it, but I will link to where you can find them.

10:33Basically when they were looking for a new medium tank, the Japanese had two choices,

10:38the Chi-Ha and the Chiny, but basically the, I believe the war with China started, so they

10:45went with the Chi-Ha, which was more expensive, but you know, superior, whereas the Chiny

10:51would have been good for a peacetime, you know, they might have chosen it during peacetime

10:55because it was cheaper and, you know, not quite as effective, but still pretty good.

10:58It was a bit slower, something like 5mph slower, had about the same armour, had one less crew

11:04member and one less machine gun, not a bad tank, and I believe there was some discussion

11:10about having it as a light tank, but that never happened for whatever reason.

11:16I think it would be a nice little medium tank, the armour like I said was about 8-25mm, 19mph

11:23on road, the same 57mm gun, so something like 55mm penetration with high explosive anti-tank,

11:31I think it would be a nice little premium tank for the Japanese.

11:34Now what battle rating would I put it, I think I said with the Type 97 Chi-Ha it was about,

11:39I said about 2 roughly, this could probably be about the same battle rating too, possibly

11:451.7 on account of the one less crew member and the less, you know, the slower speed,

11:52but I think it would be a nice little premium, there should be information on it, since you

11:56know it was put up for tender and actually tested and everything, so I think it would

12:00be a nice little tank for the Japanese to have as a premium.

12:04Now the next few vehicles, the Panzer III J, Panzer III N, Tiger I and Panther I will

12:10be showing in War Thunder itself.

12:12Now according to my book by Saloga, Japanese Tanks 1939-1945, quoting from the book, Germany

12:18sold Japan a pair of Panzer III's in 1943, one with the 50mm gun and one with the short

12:2475mm gun, but by the time they arrived in Japan they were already obsolete.

12:29Now the 75mm gun version is probably the Panzer III N, which we've already got in game as

12:35a premium, but the 50mm is a little bit harder, because it could be either a Panzer III F,

12:40J, J1, L or M.

12:43Now I did try to look up what ships would have brought them to Japan, but I couldn't

12:47really find any information.

12:50Thankfully I've got a book called Yanagi by Mark Felton, which deals with Japanese and

12:54German trade during the war.

12:56Mostly submarines, but it does deal with the freighters that would have probably delivered

13:00the tanks as well, and looking through the books, there's only really three that could

13:05have possibly done it, well two really, the Osorno and the Auster Ruffer, which both left

13:11in 1943.

13:12There was also the Regensburg, but that was torpedoed in 1942 and patched up by the Japanese,

13:19so presumably it wouldn't have been delivering the Panzers if they were bought in 1943.

13:26Now we'll look at the Panzer III N first, because that's probably the tank that was

13:30referred to when talking about the 75mm gun tank.

13:34As you can see, it's got OK armour, 50mm on the front and rears of the hull, turrets

13:4030mm, 30mm, 57mm, there is actually this bit of 20mm plate on the front, which I don't

13:46think is counted in the usual hull armour, so it's probably around 70mm really.

13:52Five crew members, battle rating of 3, same gun as the Panzer IV, so 100mm penetration

13:58with the HEAT, again should be about that battle rating for the Japanese probably, and

14:04I think it would be a good tank, because it was actually taken to Japan and tested by

14:10them, maybe in an alternate history map you can say they produced it themselves.

14:16For the Panzer III with the 50mm gun, I'm not sure, I've heard a few people discussing

14:22on the internet saying it was the long-barrelled one, but I don't know where they're getting

14:26their sources from.

14:27It would probably make sense for Japan to get the most modern one they could buy, but

14:33really it should have about the same crew for all of them, so about 5 crew, but battle

14:39rating could be anywhere from 2.3 to 3.7, just depends which one they got really.

14:47I'm going to take a punt and say it was the Panzer III J1 they received, although really

14:52I don't think even the Panzer III L or III M are that different apart from the side skirts,

14:57and yeah they're all about the same size, or a bit heavier than the Panzer III J, got

15:03roughly the same armour, a little bit heavier on the hull, they've all got the same gun,

15:09so really it could be any of these three tanks I'd think.

15:13So anywhere battle rating from 3.3 to 3.7, you know I think they'd be nice, whichever

15:20one it is, I think it would be good for the Japanese, because again they did actually

15:23receive it, and they, okay they may not have used it in combat, but they did get it and

15:29test it presumably, so I think it would be a nice little premium the two Panzer III's.

15:34It's just a shame I can't actually confirm which one it is, I'm going to try and do a

15:38little bit more research into it, see if I can turn something up, and I'll let you know

15:42if I find anything.

15:44Now the next two tanks I was also a bit unsure about, the Panther D and the Tiger tank, presumably

15:50a Tiger E, two of these were bought by the Japanese in 1943, unfortunately by this point

15:56in the war the surface blockade runners were, you know it was a suicide mission to try and

16:02ship something to Japan by boat, so they were donated back to the German army I believe,

16:07I think they got ripped off of the Tiger, from what I understand they paid some like

16:11600,000 Reichmarks when it was on like 300,000, but they donated them back to the German army,

16:17I think the Tiger was lost in France, I don't know about the Panther, but yeah not really

16:23much to say, the Panther's battle rating of 5.7, the Tiger E's battle rating of 6, if

16:30it was the H it would be 5.7, I don't think there's too much difference apart from a little

16:34bit of armour difference on the roof, the Panther D has, let's see how many crew it

16:39is, has 5, is it 5 crew? 5 crew and it's got quite a lot of armour, so that would do

16:47quite well for Japan, you know it'd be quite different to what they usually have, should

16:52do pretty well, good speed as well I believe, 34 miles an hour, good gun, very good gun,

17:01with stock ammo's 158mm at 100m, 121 at 1000, and the Tiger E, I'm going to assume it's

17:10the E, but again not too different from the F anyway, the H anyway sorry, again 5 crew,

17:19very good armour, because Japan doesn't really have any tanks with really thick armour I

17:23don't think, well a bit of a weakness around the fueling port apparently, oh not the machine

17:30gun port but around the fueling port, very good gun, again with stock ammo, 125 at 100m,

17:39105 at 1000, ok top speed, 28 miles an hour, I think these would both be very good for

17:46Japan, the reason I've bolded and underlined them is because Japan didn't actually receive

17:51them, they may have tested them in France but they never actually had them, they never

17:55got them back to Japan, so I think they should be added but I've bolded and underlined just

18:02in case I was a bit unsure about them, but I think the German tanks, all of the German

18:09tanks would be very good premiums for the Japanese as they were either bought and used

18:14or at least bought and were going to be used but couldn't be because they didn't get them

18:19back to Japan.

18:22So that's it for today's episode and for the proposed Japanese tank tech tree series

18:26as a whole, I was actually going to move on to the French one next but apparently that's

18:30now going to become an international tech tree so I'm going to have to work out how

18:34to do that, summing up the Japanese tech tree, their light tanks are a bit underarmoured

18:39and they do suffer with armour in general really but I think they have a decent bunch

18:45of tanks and vehicles, I think they will be able to hold their own given a decent battle

18:50rating, I think Japan's got a lot of tanks and vehicles to choose from, of course Gaijin

18:56and viewers of this may disagree where to put tanks or what tanks to be included but

19:01I think there should be enough vehicles for Japan to have a viable tech tree, well there's

19:06definitely enough for a viable tech tree but I think they could really thrive in the tank

19:10side of things.

19:11I'm actually packing to go on holiday at the moment so I'll have to cut this short a little

19:15bit, again I won't be here for the next few days so I'll be putting this up on Friday,

19:22possibly a video Sunday, I should be back on Monday or Tuesday at least, but yeah thanks

19:27for watching, hope you enjoyed the episode, leave a like if you like these sorts of videos,

19:31subscribe if you like these sorts of videos, leave feedback, could always do with more

19:35feedback, thanks for watching, I'll see you next time.

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