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00:00And to get that recognition from your peers in the acting branch.
00:07Look, it's, you know, I really feel this way about awards.
00:11I have a very healthy rationalization towards them.
00:15When I don't get them, I'm like, it's so silly.
00:18Why are we talking about awards for creativity and judgment?
00:23That's so ridiculous.
00:24And then I get one and I'm like, yes!
00:26Yes!
00:29And the little boy in me and my ego just builds right up.
00:32So I can rationalize that all day long.
00:42Hyperion CEO.
00:43That's right.
00:44Charles Chip, Emmy winner.
00:46And oh, there he is.
00:47Chip, former executive producer here at UBA.
00:50Chip, welcome to CMS.
00:52Or I guess I should say welcome back.
00:54Yeah.
00:55Hi, guys.
00:56Thanks for having me.
00:57No, of course.
00:58So, Chip, you've seen this network go through so many changes over the years.
01:01Why do you feel compelled to talk about this one today?
01:05Because three years ago I made a huge mistake.
01:07I waited too long to speak up about Mitch Kessler.
01:10I knew what he was doing.
01:12I mean, I didn't, not the extent, not all of it, but I had a sense of it.
01:18Maybe if I had said something earlier, a few more people would have been hurt.
01:22And I really screwed that up.
01:25Stand one.
01:27Chip, you've recently been let go from your job here.
01:29Yeah.
01:30So, why should we listen to what you have to say?
01:32Because this has absolutely nothing to do with me.
01:34This is about UBA, and people need to know what's about to happen to this place.
01:38You mean the sale to Paul Marks?
01:40Nope, I mean the end of UBA.
01:41Here we go.
01:43Paul Marks is going to dismantle this place, literally.
01:46If the shareholders vote yes on the sale tomorrow, this whole network, it will cease to exist.
01:53All of it, just gone.
01:55These two people, the show, everybody here, is just going to be sucked into a giant fucking black void.
02:00Wow.
02:01Sorry.
02:02Chip, really?
02:03Watch the language, and they helped to make your case without having it.
02:06You're right.
02:07Mia, I'm sorry about that.
02:08I will pay the 10K FCC fine.
02:10Okay, Chip, how do you know this?
02:13The rumor mill can get pretty crazy around deals like these.
02:17It's because it's been confirmed by multiple sources.
02:20That is what we do here.
02:22We fact check.
02:23When Yanko and Chris are telling you guys what's happening in the world,
02:26that's because dozens of people, people you never see, made it possible.
02:31It's a whole process, okay?
02:33Look, there's somebody on the national news desk.
02:36They're eating way too much junk food.
02:37They get an alert.
02:38It's a shots fired or something like that.
02:40They call the local sheriff's office to confirm it.
02:42Only when it's confirmed do they put out a news alert on a Slack channel.
02:45This is all like 3 in the morning, by the way.
02:47The producers, they start writing the scripts.
02:49Chris gets here ridiculously early because she needs to review and rewrite her copy
02:54because she cares about getting it right, which Twitter does not do.
02:59And by the way, no problem with Twitter, okay?
03:01It's got its place.
03:02But that is narrow casting.
03:04We need broadcasting as corporate and as compromised as it is.
03:08We need a team of competent people telling us what's actually happening in the world.
03:12I mean, this is it.
03:14This is the last free campfire in America.
03:16And if this goes out, we're all going to be in the fucking dark, people.
03:20Sorry.
03:24No.
03:25No.
03:26You know what?
03:27Fuck that.
03:28I'm not sorry.
03:29Hey, Paul.
03:30You want to nuke this place?
03:31Fine.
03:32You pay the fucking FCC obscenity fines.
03:34You are killing an 80-year-old company that started as a radio station
03:39warning people about the dangers of fascism.
03:42And you do not fucking care.
03:45So fuck you, motherfucker.
03:46Fuck you and the fucking rocket you rode in on,
03:48which, by the way, looks like a giant fucking metal dick.
03:52Welcome to the actor's side.
03:54And today I have an Emmy nominee.
03:57This is the second time for this role of Chip in The Morning Show.
04:02And he also is, well, he's a filmmaker, an actor, a writer, a musician.
04:07This is all according to Wikipedia and many other things.
04:10Got to be true.
04:11You're many more things than that, too, director.
04:13They leave off a lot of stuff.
04:15But anyway, this is Mark Duplass.
04:18Welcome to the actor's side.
04:19Thanks for having me.
04:20Always good to talk to you.
04:21It is.
04:22And we've talked over the years and things a lot about the indie film scene
04:26and all these many, many movies you've been involved in.
04:29And then all of a sudden, although you've done a lot of television,
04:33you find yourself in this giant television show on Apple TV,
04:38which is wildly different than the budgets you're used to.
04:43In your movie making, The Morning Show.
04:45And this is your second Emmy nomination as Chip.
04:48I think the first year you were nominated.
04:50That's right, the first year.
04:51And this year it was inevitable that you were going to be nominated.
04:55You had an amazing story.
04:57Oh, thanks.
04:59In season three.
05:02Tell us about where Chip is going.
05:05He's the executive producer of The Morning Show.
05:08And he seemed to have a meltdown by the end of this season.
05:11Yeah, I mean, I think what's really interesting to me about Chip
05:16is that on a show full of massive egos and crazy personalities,
05:23he kind of has become the moral center of the show in some ways.
05:27He's the moral center of television news, in my opinion.
05:30Yeah, he is.
05:32And so I think that he's constantly got a couple things at war inside of himself.
05:39I think the first thing is integrity is the most important thing for him.
05:43And integrity in the news in particular is critical.
05:46So he will fall on the sword for that and self-sacrifice.
05:50But the fun thing about playing Chip is that he's got this massive Achilles heel
05:55in his obsession with Alex Levy, Jennifer Aniston's character.
05:59It's definitely a codependent relationship.
06:01Yeah, it's codependent.
06:02They can't quit each other.
06:03No, and problematic.
06:06And that's what I really love about Chip is he's not clean in that way.
06:10He's not just a true hero for the news.
06:13He's Norma Rae with a thorn in his side.
06:17And that was really, really fun to play.
06:20And I think to your point about the finale of last season,
06:25it was so fun to get to not only play that scene
06:30and drop that amount of F-bombs.
06:32I always enjoy that.
06:35You can do that on Apple.
06:36You can do that on Apple, exactly, exactly,
06:39which is the only similarity between Apple and my independent films.
06:45I think that his little, I guess we were calling it the network moment.
06:51It really, to me, exemplifies when push comes to shove,
06:56he believes in the news.
06:58He believes in the power of doing it correctly.
07:01And if he has to get fired, if he has to embarrass himself in front of his peers,
07:07because not only is he going to get fired,
07:09he's going to ruin his ability to get hired other places
07:11because no one's going to trust him anymore.
07:13So it really is a big self-sacrifice, and I like that.
07:16It is, and it was great, that scene, that particular finale scene.
07:19It's very Howard Beale.
07:21But I love the way the camera moves in on you so close.
07:26I mean, it's just there.
07:27Yeah, there's this intercut out there.
07:30Somebody intercut the network scene with my rant,
07:35and they go back and forth, and there's actually quite a few similarities there.
07:38It's pretty interesting, yeah.
07:40That's wild.
07:41And then with Jennifer Aniston, who obviously plays Alex,
07:44your relationship with her, actor, went way beyond the morning show.
07:49You knew her?
07:50So Jen and I have been mutual fans of each other for a while,
07:54and there were moments where, oh, we might do this movie together,
07:57or we might do this together, and it never quite aligned for us.
08:01And so when this morning show job came up,
08:05it happened to come up at a time in my life where our company,
08:08Duplass Brothers, was really, really thriving.
08:11And I had just gotten off of doing The League,
08:14I had gotten off of doing Togetherness,
08:17and I was really convinced that I could not take an acting job
08:22where I wasn't the head producer,
08:24because I needed to be in control of my schedule.
08:26I needed to be able to be there for the company.
08:28So I had promised everyone, like, I'm here, I'm running the ship,
08:33and then knock, knock, knock, here comes the morning show.
08:37And I was like, well, shit, like, what am I going to do now?
08:40I was actually really surprised when you were on that show,
08:43and I go like, has he ever done this where he's not in control?
08:48I mean, I did it on The League.
08:50I wasn't in control of The League,
08:51but that was at a way different time in my career.
08:55But the truth of the matter was it felt too good of an opportunity
09:00to pass up for a number of reasons.
09:03I think very pragmatically and holistically about my career,
09:07and I think about John Cassavetes a lot,
09:09and I think about what he was able to do by being in these A-list films
09:14and having his face be there,
09:17and to raise the value of his own little movies that he was in because of that.
09:20I thought, man, if I could.
09:21Exactly. He gets nominated for an Oscar for The Dirty Dozen.
09:24Yes.
09:25And then he makes Shadows and Faces and A Woman Under the Influence
09:29and gets nominated as a director and things.
09:32He had an amazing career.
09:34He's always been someone that I've really looked up to
09:37in the way that he did things.
09:39He was fearless.
09:41He continued to make his own projects with his family and with his friends,
09:45and he used his popularity inside of Hollywood.
09:47And the ultimate independent filmmaker, a lot like you.
09:51I love him.
09:54Since I was like 16 years old, he is the guy I've been looking to.
09:58I read his books, everything.
10:00And so when I saw The Morning Show, I saw what that could be for me.
10:03What I didn't see is actually how creatively rewarding
10:09and enriching it would be for me,
10:11and that has been mostly due to my relationship with Jim.
10:14And I think that we knew we were mutual fans and appreciators,
10:19but when we got together on set,
10:22the whole Chip and Alex thing was not really built from the script phase
10:27to be what it became.
10:28From season one, it was not.
10:29It was not.
10:30It was just going to be this fun little like,
10:32oh, they're kind of like tit for tat with each other.
10:35But the depth of all that came, and the writers saw our chemistry,
10:39and so they said, oh, let's build for this.
10:41So that's the fun part of being on a big show like this.
10:44You can chase what's working.
10:46So I really do have to contribute the long-term creative fulfillment I've had
10:52to what I've got with Jen.
10:55It's just really been beautiful for me.
10:58This is the actor side, so let me ask you an actor-y question.
11:02Do you create in your mind a back story for your character,
11:05even if it's not on the page,
11:07and it sounds like it wasn't on the page in the beginning?
11:11I ask that because the way this season ended,
11:14particularly in a scene where she fires you,
11:17it's shocking to fans of the show and to that whole relationship.
11:22So did you see that at one time?
11:24It's interesting.
11:25I work in phases with that stuff.
11:28I try to go in fairly open and not lock down a character,
11:32particularly in television.
11:34If it's a movie, you've got 90 minutes.
11:36You kind of know what you're doing.
11:37You want to be prepared.
11:38Television is an open-ended universe,
11:40and so I don't want to be fully locked into something
11:43or a mythology that I've created that might be anathema
11:46to where the character actually goes.
11:49So I come in with some very basic things,
11:51like this man has sacrificed everything in his life
11:54for the integrity of the news,
11:56and when it doesn't go well, he gets really, really upset
11:58because all his chips are in one basket.
12:00That's simple enough for me to start, to step onto set.
12:04Then there are little things that we build.
12:06So he never sits down for a meal.
12:08A meal for him is always on the mousse.
12:11There's always mustard on the sleeves.
12:12There's always these little things.
12:13So we built in these little things.
12:15Then I think the larger mythology started to develop
12:18vis-Ă -vis the Alex and Chip relationship.
12:22For me, I don't want to say too much about what I think it is,
12:28but what I will say is that I believe there is something
12:33in Alex and Chip's history,
12:35and I don't know if it is as simple as,
12:39oh, there was once a romantic tension,
12:40or there wasn't, or this.
12:42I think there's something there.
12:44There's something they've experienced,
12:46probably out in the world,
12:47whether it's some sort of trauma or some sort of event
12:50or some crazy week in a hotel room
12:52that they spent covering something.
12:55Because I've had these experiences with people.
12:58Our business is such a funny business.
13:00You don't know someone at all.
13:02You spend an intense, short period of time together,
13:06and your spirits are linked in this strange way.
13:08I'll see people that I haven't shot with for 12 years,
13:11and when we sit down, it's like we're brothers again.
13:14And I think that that is what links Alex and Chip,
13:19and I think it's something big, but I don't know.
13:22Do we think we're going to see it in the course of this show?
13:25I hope we get to do 15 seasons of this show.
13:28I love this show so much, and I love it,
13:31and I want to qualify that by saying I love it
13:33because it is so wildly different from all of my creative ethics.
13:37We blow so much money on things.
13:41It makes me crazy.
13:43I'm like, how are you doing this?
13:45This one scene, I could shoot a whole season of television.
13:49Your trailer probably is a budget.
13:52And it drives me nuts,
13:55but I'm also learning so much by being there,
14:00and I'm soaking things up,
14:01and occasionally I get to bring something from my experience.
14:06I remember there was a moment in season two
14:09when Chip needed to react to the fact that he thinks Alex Levy might be dead.
14:14And I said, guys, we really should.
14:17I think Chip should throw up.
14:19And they're like, it's a massive apparatus.
14:22It's 300 people.
14:23It wasn't on the call sheet.
14:24We don't have props.
14:25We're not prepared for that.
14:26And I was like, guys, guys, take me to Crafty.
14:29So we walked over to Crafty,
14:30and I was like, great, oatmeal.
14:32Let's throw that in, get a little bit of water,
14:34put a couple of chunks of some raisins,
14:36a little food chunks in there,
14:38and I was like, get two cameras on it, roll camera,
14:40and I just threw it back.
14:41And I was like, you ready?
14:42Let's go.
14:43And we shot it, and we got it in one take,
14:45and it was amazing.
14:47So there's a lovely mutual appreciation society
14:50for me to be able to live in this fantasy world
14:52of what we can do with all this money,
14:54and every now and then.
14:55But still put on your puffy chair hat.
14:57Every now and then.
14:58Hey, Mark can make you a vomit scene in five minutes.
15:01It's kind of cool.
15:02I can handle this.
15:03That is so funny.
15:05You know, the whole thing with this show
15:08is that it's so timely.
15:10It seems to play off the news.
15:12I don't know how you do it with the schedules here.
15:15You're shooting now, right?
15:17Shooting right now.
15:18You're shooting season four.
15:19You've been shooting for about a month or so.
15:22When you see what's going on,
15:24how impossible is it to keep up?
15:27Look at what's happened in three weeks with this election
15:30and the fact that we now have
15:32a completely different Democratic nominee
15:34who is a black woman.
15:36All of this would play into The Morning Show.
15:39But how do you do it?
15:40Because this won't air until well after the election.
15:43That's right.
15:44Every season of The Morning Show
15:46has had its own tumultuous event
15:49that has upended the writing and the production.
15:51In season one, we had a whole set of scripts.
15:53Then the Me Too movement happened,
15:55and they decided to scrap them and rewrite the whole thing.
15:58In season two, we were two episodes in
16:00when we had a COVID shutdown.
16:02So we scrapped those,
16:04and they involved the COVID storyline.
16:06In season three, they decided this is very important.
16:09Women's rights are going to be at the front of this thing,
16:11so let's go push this issue.
16:14You're right that the news cycle is churning more quickly
16:17as the days go by.
16:19I think what Charlotte, in particular, our showrunner,
16:22wanted to do this season
16:24was find a storyline
16:26that was possible for us to chase
16:29because I think she knew and we all knew
16:32that this show is going to air after the election has happened.
16:36So that's probably not going to be
16:38in anybody's best interest to chase.
16:42So they found this really great,
16:44without saying too much,
16:48this thing that is concerning all of us
16:50and changing by the minute,
16:52which is artificial intelligence.
16:54Yeah, I was going to say, I could take a guess.
16:56It would be AI.
16:57What is that going to do to us?
16:59That's something we can chase
17:00because we're in it minute by minute.
17:02AI is scary as hell.
17:04I got an email or a text yesterday
17:07that said at the end of it,
17:09this was all written essentially by AI,
17:12but it was checked by the editor of the news organization
17:17that put it up there.
17:18This was in legitimate television news.
17:21But it was checked by an editor.
17:23But it's scary.
17:26Yeah, that's where we're headed.
17:27But that's what's great about Morning Show.
17:29I think what we saw at the end with your character
17:32standing up for the traditions that we've had
17:35that seem to have been erased day by day.
17:38Yeah, I think that what I'm really excited about
17:41with Chip in particular for season four
17:45is he's out in the wide open now.
17:49All of his comforts have been taken away from him.
17:52His sense of meaning has been taken away from him
17:55by losing this job.
17:56And so what do you do when you want to fight the good fight
17:59and where's the right place to put that energy?
18:01And I think we all feel that way to a certain degree.
18:04So it's a confusing time for Chip for sure.
18:07In this season, you had an interloper
18:10who's also nominated against you now ironically
18:13for the Emmy.
18:14You're fighting it out with Jon Hamm
18:16who was terrific in the show
18:18playing an Elon Musk type character.
18:21I thought the relationship that what you were going through
18:24when you saw that Alex was getting involved with him
18:27which was really interesting,
18:28that sent you over the edge.
18:30Yeah, I think that again what's so lovely about Chip
18:33is that he's so good at managing people.
18:36He's so good at managing stress.
18:38But when it comes to Alex, he's a four-year-old emotional boy.
18:41And that's just so fun to play.
18:44And when he should be at the height of his powers,
18:46managing this interview between Alex Levy and Paul Marks
18:49is tech titan.
18:50All he can think about is,
18:52oh my God, am I going to lose what I have
18:56as any of my chances in my connection with Alex?
19:00And it turns out that that's a thing
19:03that wrecks his own romantic relationships
19:05over and over again as we also saw in season three.
19:10That's something really, really fun for me to play.
19:15I'm like a serial monogamous.
19:17Katie and I have been together for like 23 years.
19:19Yeah, Katie has for 23 years.
19:21And I'm just like a dedicated...
19:25That's what you do.
19:28So that side of Chip is just so anathema to who I am
19:33and really fun to explore.
19:35Just like, what is wrong with you?
19:40He's had two chances in the course of the show,
19:43one of which played by my real wife, Katie, in season two,
19:46at a happy, successful, romantic life
19:50with women who treat him fairly well.
19:53He can't do it.
19:55No, that's so interesting.
19:56I have never heard the term serial monogamous,
19:59which I think is interesting in the context of this industry.
20:02I think you're alone on that little island.
20:06There aren't many in this business.
20:08Yeah, it's funny.
20:10Katie and I met when we were 24 and 22.
20:14And I think that there was something about
20:19Jay and Katie and I locking arms together
20:21and realizing that this was going to be impossible
20:24for us to make our way in this industry.
20:25If I want to be a successful actor in any way, shape or form,
20:28I'm going to have to forge my own road.
20:30I'm going to have to make things myself.
20:32And it started with a $3 movie in our kitchen
20:34and then to a $100 movie in a kitchen with two actors
20:38and then the Puffy Chair for $10,000.
20:40Right.
20:41And I think there is something, too,
20:45Katie and I having known each other for so long
20:48and building that together,
20:50that just keeps us inextricably tied.
20:52So you just mentioned the Puffy Chair.
20:54I pulled this from Wikipedia, Doug.
20:56Look at this. Look at these pages.
20:58All of these things are things you've either written
21:03or produced.
21:04And then it goes on.
21:05Executive producer only.
21:07Continue to this page here.
21:09This goes on.
21:10Television right here.
21:12Endlessly.
21:13Documentary series.
21:15And then we get down to what we're talking about today.
21:17Acting roles here.
21:19I love Bombshell, by the way.
21:21I thought that was a terrific film.
21:23Also about where we're headed in news in a lot of ways, too.
21:27But this is an incredible thing.
21:29It's wild when this is an interview about acting.
21:34So I should say that acting was such a surprise to me in my life,
21:41what it has brought to me.
21:43I really identified first as a writer and a director.
21:47Right.
21:48And then I would just act in my own things
21:50because I thought, well, the scripts aren't perfect yet.
21:52Probably better if I'm the one to improvise them
21:54and just figure it out as we go.
21:57And what I always thought was, you know what?
22:00I could cast somebody else in this role,
22:02but while I might only be 80% as good of an actor
22:07as that person that I want to cast, it's my material.
22:10I know it so well.
22:12I can improvise it.
22:13I actually probably will be able to beat that person out
22:15because of my intimacy with the material.
22:17Sure.
22:18And then through that, I ended up falling in love
22:21with the craft of acting in a way that I never really expected.
22:24I never thought I would act in other people's projects.
22:27I always thought it would just be kind of what I do.
22:30And it's been such a wonderful surprise to end up on a show
22:34like, you know, The Morning Show and be respected
22:38for not only what I do, which is trying to be loose
22:41and improvise and bring something kind of unique
22:45and fresh to it, but also enter their world
22:48and learn from them.
22:49Actually, the first time you were nominated
22:51for The Morning Show, I think it was during COVID.
22:53It was COVID.
22:54It was the first year of COVID.
22:55Emmys, and it was like just Jimmy Kimmel on stage.
22:58And we were all on Zoom.
23:01Everyone was on Zoom.
23:02It's weird.
23:03I was with both of my kids.
23:04We were in our pajamas and tuxedo jackets.
23:08And so I'm assuming this experience
23:10will be a little different.
23:11A little different.
23:12Although Jen Aniston was actually on the show that year.
23:15That's right.
23:16She came in, you know, as a thing.
23:18She was one of the rare actors.
23:19That's right, right.
23:20Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:21They were good friends in real life.
23:22I think it's going to be a little bit different this time.
23:24Okay, what's your feeling?
23:25I think you're going to be sitting in the audience there
23:28with all of these nominees.
23:31This show got 10 acting nominations.
23:34That's pretty wild.
23:35Almost the entire cast is up for an Emmy.
23:38That's incredible.
23:39I mean, the supporting actress category,
23:42the Morning Show outnumbers more than half, you know?
23:48And you've got three in yours.
23:50And we have three in ours, which is so special and wonderful.
23:53And it doesn't matter, because Billy's going to win
23:55as well as he should.
23:56Because he's incredible.
23:57Oh, he already won.
23:58Come on now.
23:59He is incredible.
24:01I mean, really, like, that's been one of the joys,
24:04is becoming close with Billy.
24:06We have such different processes.
24:08You know, Billy's such a smooth movie star
24:11that no one would ever know how nervous and neurotic he is.
24:15I mean, oh my God, he works so hard on this material
24:18because he has to deliver these incredibly fast-paced monologues
24:22with no blips.
24:23You know, Chip, I can um and I can ah and do those things.
24:26So the level of preparation that he has
24:28and the level of anxiety he has about it,
24:30in a good way, he cares so deeply.
24:34And he still feels like,
24:37I can't believe I get to do this job.
24:39And Jen is the same way.
24:40You know, Jen, that's one of the reasons
24:42I love working with her.
24:43She's so humble and so sweet.
24:46You know, after every take it's,
24:47oh God, that sucked.
24:48I gotta figure this out.
24:49Oh my God.
24:50You know, and just in the way that,
24:52you know, she's an international icon.
24:54You know, she could be guarded and she's just so open.
24:57And that's been the big surprise of The Morning Show
25:00is I thought I was entering the realm
25:02of international movie stars
25:04and it might be a little guarded and a little cold,
25:08but this would be great for my career.
25:09And it's actually turned into this wonderful family environment.
25:12It's great.
25:13Some of the critics gunned for the show,
25:14I think, because of that.
25:15Yeah.
25:16You know, and I think they were won over
25:20in season three because you could see
25:22the critical trajectory change.
25:24There was a turn there.
25:25Yes, yes.
25:26It was very interesting to watch
25:27and now you see it validated
25:29with all of these Emmy nominations
25:30and, you know, and Best Series and everything.
25:33And when you get 10 acting nominations for anything,
25:36that's-
25:37That's clearly something, yeah.
25:38I mean, I think that critics and reviews
25:41are a very interesting thing.
25:43I've been very fortunate in my career,
25:44in my own work, to receive mostly positive reviews.
25:48But if I'm being really honest,
25:49I think a lot of that is because, you know,
25:52everybody wants to support the two little brothers
25:55in their cheap Hanes hoodies making movies for $5.
25:58Brother Jay, Jay Duplantis.
25:59That's right.
26:00They wanted to lift us up, you know.
26:02But when you come out blazing like The Morning Show
26:04and you got Reese and you got Jen
26:05and we're Apple's flagship show and the big one, you know,
26:08you are setting yourself up for some darts, you know.
26:10That's it.
26:11So it's tricky, but I've been pleased
26:14with how they have slowly but surely kind of won people over.
26:17And I should mention that you and Jay,
26:19your brother, wrote a book together as well.
26:21We did.
26:22We wrote a book called Like Brothers
26:23that is all about our history of collaboration,
26:26our history coming up from nothing
26:29and building a career out of thin air.
26:31But I think also, you know, what it's about is,
26:35you know, what is it like to be so close
26:39with someone for so long and be inextricably linked?
26:44We were the Duplass brothers for so long.
26:46We weren't Mark Duplass and Jay Duplass.
26:48So how can we become still the Duplass brothers
26:51but also separately be Mark and Jay,
26:54which was a big struggle in our relationship
26:57for a few years to try and make that work.
26:59It was, you know,
27:00I think Gwyneth Paltrow would be proud of us.
27:02It was a conscious uncoupling that happened there.
27:05And we made it work, you know.
27:08Well, you were kings of Sundance.
27:09Where do you think Sundance should move, by the way?
27:12You know, it's really hard for me to say,
27:14but I mean, there are a couple of things that I really,
27:17I really do like Atlanta
27:19because I think that that community out there
27:22could really benefit from it, you know.
27:25But there are also so many facets of it
27:27that I don't fully understand.
27:29Right.
27:30Then there's the completely selfish side of me,
27:32which is like, I'd really love to go to a place
27:35that's not full of the flu and COVID in January
27:38with hard ice on the sidewalks
27:41because every year I get sick
27:43and I fall and break something, you know.
27:46So there's that logistical element.
27:48We're going to get it out of Utah for you.
27:50Yeah, it could be nice.
27:51Yeah.
27:52Anyway, Mark Duplass, always fun talking to you.
27:54Always great.
27:55Thanks for joining us on Behind the Lens
27:57and good luck at the Emmys.
27:58Thanks, buddy. Appreciate it.