Police S01E010 A Death In Custody
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00:1910 9 8 7 6 5 4 3.
00:30Anybody else got anything for us?
00:38Okay well once again we're thin on the ground.
00:41We will be tomorrow as well, Monday.
00:45Once we've taken half the party for court then we're going to be very thin as well.
00:50By Tuesday we ought to be getting back to something like normal.
00:54So all that we can ask is that you soldier on until then.
00:58Right on to today's stuff.
01:00We've got a parade going through Broad Street.
01:07We will need one panda since we don't have any spare drivers now.
01:11We'll need a panda to drive behind.
01:15Now initially Chris Bergman I'll put you down for that.
01:21Alright?
01:22If you're tucked up then let us know.
01:25What's your car like?
01:27What's Panda 5 like?
01:28It's a bit grubby but I'll give it a wipe over.
01:34Yeah.
01:35Alright well I'll have a look at it and if it's too bad then you can take on the inspector's
01:38car which is unscratched, gleaming white.
01:43Okay the reason that I want a car behind is to stop anybody trying to overtake.
01:49This is always the danger with these processions.
01:51You've got the idiot who tries to overtake and cuts in and takes a few tails off or whips
01:56a few instruments away with his wing mirror.
01:59Don't think I need to say any more about that one.
02:06Just very briefly there has been a cell death during the night here.
02:12It's not one for the press at this stage or for anybody else at this stage.
02:17If there are any queries whatsoever, if you get any queries from anybody then refer them
02:21to me.
02:23There has been a cell death during the night and one of the cells is sealed off.
02:28Yeah.
02:29Alright?
02:30Now that's to remain sealed off until such time as you get other instructions.
02:35How many prisoners have we got down there?
02:38Two sir.
02:39Alright.
02:40Well keep them well away from that cell then.
02:41Don't use the cells on either side unless it's absolutely essential.
02:44Yes sir.
02:45Keep that one sterile.
02:46Yes sir.
02:47Alright?
02:48Yes sir.
02:49I'm quite certain that somebody's down there all the time as well.
02:52Tell Colin that.
02:53Okay.
02:54Yes sir.
03:02Use this car later on for the spread.
03:04Alright sir.
03:05Get down there.
03:06Where is it?
03:07In reasonable time.
03:08I'll just square this down here.
03:11And what we particularly want is advance information when they're actually setting off.
03:19So keep control informed.
03:22What time does it kick off?
03:24They anticipate leaving at quarter to eleven.
03:27Oh.
03:39Beautiful morning.
03:41Quite nice.
03:49Have a look upstairs Charlie, see if you can find anybody.
04:06This chap's name, you got it?
04:09It's probably Robin Barkley.
04:12Robin Edwin Barkley.
04:13Do you know where the landlord lives?
04:15182.
04:16Yeah, we'll try that one out.
04:19Sorry to bother you pal.
04:21Can I just have a word with you?
04:23It is important.
04:24It is important.
04:25Can I have a word with you?
04:26Yes.
04:27Yeah.
04:28Somebody else in there is there?
04:30Somebody else in there is there?
04:31Yes.
04:32Yeah.
04:33Yeah.
04:34I'm looking for a chap.
04:35I'm trying to find something out about a lad named Robin Barkley.
04:38Alright?
04:39Robin Barkley.
04:40Now Robin, does that mean any...
04:42No.
04:43He's not in any bother.
04:45But I've got to find somebody who knows him.
04:47I've got to find him a bit quick.
04:49No, I don't know him at all anyway.
04:51You don't?
04:52Honestly, no.
04:53No.
04:54You're all Irish lads in here then?
04:55Yes.
04:56All of you?
04:57Yes.
04:58Yeah.
04:59I'm trying to find somebody who knows the guy because he's dead.
05:01Yeah.
05:02I've got to try and find somebody who knows the guy who can identify him.
05:05This is what I want.
05:07Yeah.
05:08You can't help me?
05:09I can't help anyway.
05:10No.
05:11OK.
05:12Yeah, what's your name pal?
05:13John Hickey.
05:14John Hickey?
05:15Yes.
05:16Sorry to bother you.
05:17No.
05:18Hi.
05:33Is the coroner's officer actually dealing with this himself?
05:35Or have you got...?
05:36He hasn't been informed yet, the coroner's officer.
05:38Erm...
05:40I was waiting for your instruction on who would actually deal with this.
05:44Whether it should be somebody from here or whether somebody from outside.
05:47Yeah, straightforward enough, hasn't it?
05:49Yeah.
05:50Is it a probationer actually dealing with it?
05:52Or, you know, is it an experienced officer?
05:54That's what it boils down to.
05:55Well, I'm doing it at the moment until the coroner's officer...
05:57Yeah.
05:58..or until you came on anyway.
05:59Let me see if he's on, actually.
06:00We've got to call him up on the rest day or something silly like that.
06:02Well, Harris, I've got a number for Harris.
06:04Yeah.
06:05I haven't seen him yet.
06:06Could I speak to the duty inspector, please?
06:10I wonder if you can help me, please.
06:12We've had a cell death during the night.
06:15Yeah.
06:16And we're not absolutely certain
06:19that we've identified the individual yet.
06:23In his possession is a letter from his mother
06:26at an address in Eastbourne.
06:29Can you get somebody to go around there?
06:34Obviously, she'll have to be informed.
06:37And what we're wanting is to get the body identified.
06:42Yeah.
06:43OK, thanks very much.
06:44Thank you, James.
06:53I'll give you the story, then, Mr Harris.
06:56Right.
06:5722.50, last night.
07:00PC Patton...
07:02..detained a guy we believe is Robin Barclay.
07:07Drunk and incapable.
07:09Drunk and incapable in market way.
07:12Pointed out by a member of the public.
07:14He was put in the van.
07:16There were other officers in the van
07:19and there was another prisoner in the van as well.
07:22He was brought into the station.
07:25PC Mackey was the jailer.
07:28Charge sheet here.
07:30Regular checks done on him.
07:33But at 12.15...
07:36..PC Mackey saw that he was flat on his back.
07:39Went into the cell and the bloke started to vomit.
07:44Then PCs Mackey and Johnson...
07:50..carried out first aid.
07:52They did mouth-to-mouth and cardiac massage.
07:56Ambulance was called.
07:58Unfortunately, he had to come from Bracknell.
08:02Didn't arrive till ten to one.
08:05Taken to Royal Barks.
08:08Arrived there...
08:10..ten past one.
08:19Emergency cardiac treatment there.
08:22But he was certified dead...
08:25..at 1.25.
08:27At 1.25.
08:35The statements here from every officer involved...
08:39..except PC Johnson,
08:41who was over from the two-to-ten squad.
08:44So you can get that this afternoon from him.
08:47Yes, sir.
08:49Has there been a funeral?
08:51No funeral has been arranged.
08:53No, no, no, that's down to you.
08:55At the moment, we're trying to get this guy identified.
08:58He's believed to have been living in a doss house at 21 Russell Street.
09:02We've been round there a couple of times.
09:05Full of Irish gentlemen who don't know him.
09:08We're still trying to get hold of the bloke who runs the place, McGreevy.
09:12Fine.
09:14OK, you take it on from there, then.
09:17If you want any help from me or my party.
09:19Shout.
09:21I will, sir.
09:24Over to you, then.
09:54PAPER RUSTLES
10:09DOOR OPENS
10:11DOOR CLOSES
10:13DOOR OPENS
10:23PAPER RUSTLES
10:31PAPER RUSTLES
10:36PAPER RUSTLES
10:43Will there be a post-mortem today at all?
11:03Yes sir, probably sometime this afternoon.
11:06Would you hold that for the moment until the swine does rest?
11:10I haven't arranged anything, but probably Professor Ment or Dr Lee.
11:23I'd better see you about it, sir.
11:25Which office are you in?
11:27Right, I'm on my way up.
11:36Morning, sir.
11:40Oh, I didn't realise you were coming down.
11:43Yeah, I was covering today, actually.
11:49What's the problem here?
11:51There is a problem.
11:56I don't know if you've read the statements at all yet.
11:58I'm sorry?
11:59No.
12:00The indication is...
12:05Yeah.
12:06That the prisoner was found unconscious.
12:10Yes, that's what the message says.
12:12Pardon?
12:13That's what the message says.
12:14Yeah.
12:15Lung on a footpath.
12:16Yeah.
12:17Standing order says that.
12:28And what does the statement say?
12:30The statements, if you read through them,
12:32indicate that that was the situation.
12:38They certainly did what they could, didn't they?
12:40Mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.
12:47You see, unless you talk to these people, Peter...
12:50I then saw PC Hawley and PC Patton
12:52lift him from the ground by supporting him under both arms
12:55and walk him towards the trough.
12:57Well, walk him, are they talking?
12:59Dragging him, are they? I wouldn't assume so.
13:01It looks from the statements as if they've lifted him
13:04because of his condition.
13:07But he is moaning and moving about, isn't he?
13:10As opposed to being absolutely spiked, isn't he?
13:12Reading these.
13:17So, somebody thinks that we were in compliance
13:20with the rest absolutely to the letter of the law.
13:24It should quickly be told in due course.
13:30KNOCK AT DOOR
13:32Entrez.
13:35Hello. How are you?
13:37Fine, thank you.
13:39All quite on your front, is it?
13:41Well, apart from what you're reading, sir.
13:43Which is what I've come up to see you about.
13:45Well, I've got a letter for you.
13:47Oh, thank you.
13:49Well, apart from what you're reading, sir.
13:51Which is what I've come up to see you about.
13:53Well, not possibly, because headquarters have been on.
13:56Obviously, we want to know when we're going to have a PM
13:58and make sure there's nothing suspicious and all the rest of it.
14:01I thought I'd come to have words with you first before I went any further.
14:04Well, come in. We've...
14:06We're all coming in on the act now.
14:08I mean, I spoke to Inspector Turner earlier on this weekend
14:11and at that stage he was going back home to Russell Street
14:14and I was going to set through on my case.
14:16The next of kin situation?
14:18Yeah, from that point of view.
14:20And to get Harris, the coroner's officer, out.
14:22Who's Harris? He's out.
14:24I've had a word with him.
14:26So they're not panicking about Home Office pathologists, are they?
14:29Not at the present time, but I was going to see you first
14:31and see what your feelings were.
14:33If there'd been a punch-up or something leading to this,
14:35it'd be a different sort of thing.
14:39If there's any problems we've got,
14:41it's going to be to do with administrative nonsense,
14:44you know, anything that we...
14:46But certainly it'll be a shame,
14:48because I think young Mackie, um...
14:55I'm just wondering, at this stage, there is obviously, um...
15:03..some problems involved with this.
15:07Maybe, maybe, yeah.
15:09There is on the statements which are there,
15:11to what is in standing orders.
15:14I'll read that afterwards, the whole thing.
15:16I didn't go down the whole page, yes.
15:18So what do you say?
15:20Roughly amounts to the fact that if he's found unconscious,
15:23he should go on to hospital.
15:25If he arrives at the police station and he's unconscious,
15:29then a police surgeon should be called straight away.
15:32And that every 15 minutes, because of his condition,
15:36he has to be aroused.
15:38Well, you and I are trying to conduct an inquest
15:40before we really know as far as I'm concerned, Peter,
15:43because reading that, he was unconscious at the time he came in.
15:46So if somebody wants to stir it up later on, they will, I've no doubt.
15:50Well, it's obviously my job to bring it up.
15:52Thank you very much, I'm grateful.
15:54But, um...
15:56What's that, 1486?
15:58There's two parts to it.
16:00I'll read the blue book afterwards.
16:03Are you staying here for a bit?
16:05Am I? Yeah.
16:07I'll see you in a moment.
16:09Some sort of nonsense.
16:11As far as the PM goes,
16:14um, shall I just wait till I hear back from you
16:18regarding whether it's the, um, normal pathologist from the hospital?
16:23It will be, sir. It will be, sir.
16:25Right.
16:27Right.
16:29I'm sorry, Mr East.
16:31Unless you hear anything to the contrary, then,
16:34just go ahead as normal.
16:36Well, what I plan is to wait
16:39until the mother comes out from the spawn to identify.
16:42Yeah.
16:43And then I'll arrange with one of the Home Office pathologists
16:45for PM late this afternoon.
16:47Well, it's a late, I mean, probably something about three o'clock.
16:49When you say Home Office pathologist,
16:51what's made you sort of change your mind into that?
16:53Well, because he was a man in police custody, that's all.
16:56Yeah.
16:58Good. OK, thank you very much.
17:06Hello.
17:26Are you going to do one of the following?
17:28Yeah.
17:37Yes, Mr and Mrs Fitzsimon, in fact, are coming.
17:39That's mother and stepfather. Right.
17:41They're on their way up here now.
17:43She wrote to him when he was in Bedford.
17:45She last heard from him three weeks ago.
17:47He's got staxiform, been wondering about a fair bit.
17:50Apparently very nice people.
17:52She's apparently a very nice woman.
17:54This is Mr and Mrs Barkley, sir.
17:56Please.
17:58I'm sorry to say, under these circumstances,
18:03I just wanted to come down as a matter of courtesy,
18:05since the lad was in our custody at the time.
18:09You are just explaining what's going to happen, are you?
18:12I have, sir, yes.
18:14And we'll go up to the Royal Varsity Hospital in a moment
18:17and do the identification.
18:19And obviously, anything at all, any queries you have,
18:23get straight on to us, won't you?
18:25Anything we can do at all?
18:27It's one of those things.
18:29I know he's had this drink problem.
18:31I've dealt with him vomiting at home.
18:33I see.
18:35He seems to poison his system, alcohol, when he was younger.
18:38Is there any hint of suspicion of drugs anywhere?
18:40Yes, he was on drugs.
18:42I don't know whether he's still on drugs.
18:44I don't know. He was certainly on drugs.
18:46From a pathologist's point of view, it might help us.
18:48I think he was on drugs certainly when he was 18, 19.
18:52He's 26 now.
18:54He's a single man?
18:56I don't know. I honestly don't know.
18:58As far as I know, he's single.
19:00Yes.
19:02He was not very communicative.
19:04I haven't had very much... You know, they run away from home.
19:07You don't know where they are.
19:09I have a letter.
19:11That's right. He came to me in May.
19:13I have a letter from him here.
19:15That's the most recent communication, presumably.
19:17Yeah. Funny enough, it's still in the bag.
19:19This is a letter he wrote to me.
19:21It's the first letter I've had from him for years.
19:24You're certainly welcome to have it if it's of any help.
19:29That's Northampton Post, isn't it?
19:31Yes.
19:33Undated. So what's the...
19:357th... 20th of May, sir.
19:38May. And I wrote back the same day as I received that,
19:42cos I'm eager to...
19:44So John must have a job and a decent home coming up soon.
19:47Yes, but he lied to me. Oh, I see.
19:49I mean, I'm awfully sorry to say this about him,
19:52but I just could not believe anything he said.
19:55He only told me what he thought I would like to know,
19:58not necessarily the truth.
20:06But I think drugs have probably had quite a lot to do with the run-up,
20:10you know, the...
20:12So this is just a...
20:14Well, he...
20:16We asked him, as we always have done, to keep in touch.
20:19He may do and he may not.
20:21It's been going on for, what, ten years.
20:24Well, you can appreciate our concern, obviously, here.
20:27Yes. Oh, yes.
20:28The thing will be thoroughly investigated from...
20:30Well, this is one of those things that...
20:32But we'll go through the necessary formalities this afternoon.
20:44There's been a death of a prisoner overnight,
20:48which has caused a few problems.
20:51Deaths, is it? Yep.
20:53Well, he died... He was certified dead in the hospital.
20:57But there have been a few problems.
21:00Which is the home address of WPC Harris...
21:07..who was on nights.
21:08Could you ask her, on the instructions of Superintendent East,
21:11to be at Reading Police Station today at 1600 hours...
21:19..to be interviewed regarding the death of the prisoner
21:22in the cells last night?
21:24The story of last night, obviously, your statement's going to be required.
21:27Yeah, urgently. Yeah.
21:29Yeah, I mean, you're the only one on now
21:31who's got first-hand knowledge of what actually happened.
21:34Yeah, that's true.
21:35There's still been an item,
21:36but your statement, obviously, is going to be required, of course.
21:39Yeah, OK, sir.
21:40Anyway, Mr Harris, I'll sort that out. Righto, thank you.
22:09Come in, please.
22:18I've got to have a seat.
22:23There we are.
22:32Right, if you'd like to just sit tightly for a moment,
22:35and I'll arrange for you to see him.
22:37OK, yes.
22:48In view of the circumstances,
22:50I have employed one of the country's top pathologists,
22:55Professor Keith Mant, on behalf of the Home Office,
22:59to do the examination for us.
23:03And we will open the inquest as soon as I can,
23:07so that the body can be released for funeral.
23:10And all we need for the opening inquest
23:13is evidence of identification
23:15and a report showing the cause of death.
23:26Normally, his personality was that of a quiet man, was it?
23:31He was a very quiet boy.
23:33He needed something to boost his self-confidence,
23:36and a drink did that.
23:38He was able to talk, assert himself more.
23:42And then if he had more drink, you know,
23:46and perhaps have another one,
23:48he would rather spoil himself and get slightly aggressive.
24:07Hello, sir.
24:09These are the parents of the gentleman's concern,
24:12so I'm just having a chat with him and a statement.
24:15I've been so altered since my last visit.
24:18I've had an awful job finding...
24:20I thought you'd be here.
24:22Yes, but another one-way system.
24:25My car's right down the far end somewhere.
24:28All right, sir. OK.
24:30I'm going to check with you in a few minutes, then.
24:36If you want to sit yourself down somewhere,
24:38tell me where you'll be.
24:40You'll be back about half four, you think.
24:42Half four?
24:43We were told to be here for four.
24:45Yeah, well, he didn't know he had to go to this, you see.
24:48It was on this line last night. Yes.
24:52Where will you be, love?
24:55Erm...
24:57Best idea is if you all assemble in the sergeant's office.
25:01Yeah, OK. OK.
25:07And one of them is juvenile. His father wasn't available.
25:11By the time I'd got them in, got my statements of evidence,
25:15it was then taken over, yes.
25:18Yeah, it all started happening. Did it? Yeah.
25:21So, you know, that's how I was here.
25:27Bloody awful.
25:29I'm quite pleased I wasn't. Yeah.
25:36There was quite a few of them there, wasn't there? I bet there was.
25:41And there's no reply at this house.
25:43So you're only getting, what, three of us? At the moment.
25:47Oh. You know, it is a bit early, let's face it.
25:50It is early. In fact, seven o'clock would have been a better time,
25:54which is the time Mackey's coming in.
25:56So what happens... Were you late off or did you get off at six?
26:00We went off at six. It's still a bit early, I agree.
26:03By the time you get home.
26:05We got off at six, but, you know, it's not exactly easy to leave.
26:09No, no. Even though there's nothing wrong.
26:46I had one reported as a chronic alcoholic the other day,
26:50and I think he took a drank a glass of sherry a day.
27:10Good. Now, of course, there's room for some blood,
27:13which we'll take from the right heart.
27:27There's never been any history, I suppose, of this chap
27:30who'd got this injury under his scar on his chin.
27:33Never had a head injury, you know.
27:36Not that Mother said.
27:38The only one she knew about was a shoulder injury, sir.
27:41Yes. I'll tell you why. Of course, people who've had old head injuries,
27:44they react rather badly to... sometimes to alcohol.
27:48And, um...
27:50they can't take very much and they get rather...
27:53Right.
27:55Um...
27:57You know, change of personality after a few drinks.
28:01There is, of course,
28:03no suitable evidence.
28:31Can't get rid of your own bloody leg, can you?
28:36Not too bad, sir. It's normal, eh?
28:39No. Just another bloody leg of folk I'm going to mourn.
28:42Yeah. It is drifty, wasn't it?
28:47Lucky we're, eh?
28:50Hmm.
29:03This is worse than waiting for that headless thing, isn't it?
29:07He's got these...
29:09tears.
29:11Um, yes, so not going all the way through,
29:14because you do sometimes, if it's really violent,
29:17they do, in fact, burst like gullet.
29:21Um...
29:29But this has got these superficial splits in the lining.
29:34Yeah.
29:38I just finished reading Professor Simpson's book, actually.
29:41Oh. Did you get him to autograph it?
29:43Oh, no, I haven't seen him personally.
29:45Well, if you wanted autographs,
29:47you've only got to, if you're ever up in London,
29:49just leave it at Guy's,
29:51and he comes in two or three times a week.
29:54The sector's always got a lot of books out.
29:58Police officers want them autographs.
30:10He's got this froth.
30:13This is gastric contents.
30:16You can see the sort of bile
30:19stained with a little bit of blood, but very little blood.
30:22It's nearly all gastric contents.
30:24It's frothy down here, coming out.
30:27And you see, what they do, they inhale and drown.
30:38I'm at four o'clock, sir.
30:41I'm back to the station, yes.
30:43I'll see you back there.
30:45OK, John. See you back there.
30:48It's a sort of perennial problem,
30:50that a drunk goes into a police station
30:53and he happens to roll over onto his back when he's regurgitating.
30:57Which coke do you have? One that matches that.
31:00Yeah.
31:02And it runs down his airway,
31:06and he chokes on it.
31:08There's plenty of fluid there, but he had to inhale a lot.
31:11CRD angle, I was concerned.
31:13Yes.
31:15Thank you very much.
31:17Because he's always worrying when someone dies in police custody.
31:20Exactly. He's got to make sure it's done properly.
31:23One never knows what happened before we found him, of course,
31:26on the street.
31:28Lovely. Thank you very much.
31:31I'll find your jacket.
31:33Here we are.
31:35Right, so there's the name of the coroner,
31:38and could you send your account and reports to me, please?
31:42Yes, well, what I used to do, I bring along,
31:45if you want an account,
31:47I bring it along when I come to inquest.
31:51Wouldn't you like to...?
31:53Well, I shall probably open the inquest as soon as I've got a cause of death.
31:57I can give you a cause of death if you want that.
32:01Inhalation of gastric contents.
32:06Are you going to put this to a press release or not, not at this stage?
32:09Not at this stage. I don't see there's any point in it.
32:12I mean, there's nothing sinister in it at all.
32:14No, not at this stage. I suppose...
32:16Probably we will do, otherwise people will say,
32:18well, why aren't they? Yes, we'll do later on.
32:20You've all made statements, and they're very good statements,
32:23but I want to remind you of standing orders, OK?
32:27OK. No, but yours is OK. It doesn't affect you.
32:30If I may just remind you of this, and in fact I'll write it down
32:33so you can see what I'm talking about.
32:35And then I'll get you, please, I'll refer to the individual statements with you, if I may.
32:40See, it was starting off here.
32:42Um, 52.
32:46Drunk prisoners will be visited at half-hourly intervals
32:49and aroused and spoken to on each visit.
32:51Well, does that involve anybody here?
32:53No, you weren't. This is Mackie and Sam, isn't it?
32:56That's OK.
32:57Which I know the orders were complied with
33:00because of the charge sheet that bears this out.
33:03When a prisoner is found unconscious,
33:05he will be taken to hospital without delay,
33:07preferably by ambulance,
33:09even though there may be grounds for suspecting that he is drunk.
33:12His unconsciousness should or could be the result of something more serious.
33:16Now, this guy wasn't unconscious, was he?
33:18No, we tapped him on the face and he came round and started struggling with me.
33:22When you say he was, you mentioned waving his arms around
33:25and running over to one side and one thing and another,
33:28and, in fact, mumbling, I believe.
33:30Yes, I was mumbling.
33:31Right, well, now, can we make that perfectly clear?
33:35So was he struggling or not?
33:38It's quite hard to describe who he was.
33:40To be quite honest, I thought he was going to hit him.
33:44Well, that's great. Well, I say it's great.
33:46I mean, the guy wasn't unconscious then.
33:48So you're going to tell me, if you will, please,
33:51that he was virtually struggling
33:53and certainly you had that impression that he was going to try and lay one on him.
34:02So I'll put another little thing there, OK, where you've said wave his arms.
34:07I looked as I saw that I let it.
34:09You see, wholly, all right?
34:11Now then, I lifted Barclay from the ground
34:13and, supporting him under his arms, walked him to the transit.
34:17I then lifted Barclay into the transit.
34:20Now, and other people say half-walked, half-carried.
34:23Now, did he, was he, in fact, walking?
34:26Well, when we first lifted him up, and we walked him,
34:30he wasn't so heavy, but near the van, his legs just went.
34:34Well, I mean, was he trailing his legs like this
34:36or was he attempting to walk?
34:38I think he was attempting to walk at the first part,
34:42but when we got near the van, his legs just went and we had to carry him fully.
34:48So can you cut that in for me?
34:51Initially, albeit with support, he was walking with you back to the transit.
34:56OK?
34:57Allowed him to lay face down in the vehicle, totally proper.
35:02Smelled alcohol. You formed the opinion he was drunk.
35:07Yes?
35:08Yes.
35:09We all then went in the transit to Reading Police Station.
35:11The two witnesses got out.
35:14Now then, PC Hawley and I then carried Mr Barkley from the vehicle.
35:20Now, how, what sort of state is he in now?
35:24Well, he was mumbling in the van as we came in,
35:27and he was still, when we carried him into the charge office,
35:32he was still sort of mumbling, and we put him down,
35:35and he seemed to be asleep and started snoring.
35:38Right. So when you say you carried him,
35:41you're not carrying him, as you were, to the vehicle.
35:44You're now imagining head and...
35:48Yes, I had his shoulders and support in his head,
35:52and PC Hawley had his legs.
35:54Firstly, he was absolutely carrying him.
35:56Can you just say that in the part for us?
36:04And certainly you're saying here, and he was snoring and mumbling.
36:08OK. He's not unconscious?
36:10No, he's still...
36:12Related to the facts of the office,
36:14I directed myself and Mackey to place him in cell 13.
36:17It would have been 13, wouldn't it?
36:19We carried him to the cell, placed him in the low bench,
36:22and when they left him, he was asleep and snoring.
36:25Fine. I want to make this walk...
36:27I don't want any queries from the White House.
36:35In fact, you say Barkley this time appeared to be attempting to walk
36:39until he almost reached the...
36:41Well, that's...
36:44If you can elaborate on this walking,
36:47although you do mention afterwards it appeared to be attempting to walk.
36:52Anyway, if you will, please, and I can get the thing...
36:55Which one of them left? You leave them here.
36:57Well, I'll be about. You'll be about. OK.
37:00I'm afraid I'm going home now.
37:02Time to go, aren't we?
37:04No, if I'm not being serious about it, if you will,
37:07I just won't be sitting here.
37:09If you would leave them on the desk, if I may.
37:11Would you like me to make the effort and get these R3 typed out tonight?
37:15Cos I don't mind doing it. I can type.
37:17That would be rather nice.
37:19We can get the whole thing up there tomorrow.
37:21Super. Good.
37:23Thanks very much indeed.
37:25And I did thank you at the beginning, didn't I?
37:27Because there's no question...
37:30Just jolly hard luck, isn't it?
37:38How long did it take us to write this last night?
37:41Three hours?
37:45Hello, Ahmed.
37:47Nice and colourful today, Ahmed.
37:49Yes, it's good.
37:51That makes you look better.
37:53That makes you look...
37:55Where have you been, then?
37:57I got in my form, so I'm leaving now.
37:59Where have you been?
38:01I just came back from one in Ford.
38:03Where are you from?
38:05Where are you from?
38:15It's in the paper.
38:17It's in the Evening Post.
38:19Today?
38:21Yeah.
38:23It's a bit quick.
38:25See you all tonight?
38:27Yeah, see you, Dick.
38:29It'll probably be in the national press tomorrow.
38:31What do you mean, no? Of course it will.
38:35That bruise, incidentally, sir, under the right eye,
38:37it was extremely superficial.
38:39Yes.
38:41It was superficial, and the pathologist
38:43examined that very carefully,
38:45and it could have been caused by anything,
38:47but it certainly wasn't severe at all.
38:49No.
38:53He did have a fractured rib
38:55on the left side,
38:57which was consistent with a cardiac massage.
38:59Yes.
39:05Have any questions arisen that you'd like to ask?
39:07No.
39:09No, I think you've been very helpful
39:11under the circumstances.
39:13We're very grateful for your...
39:15sympathy and kindness.
39:17It's been a very difficult day for us,
39:19obviously, but you've made it very much easier
39:21on the BBC, too.
39:33Uh, there is some cash.
39:35Uh, a key ring,
39:37a metal bracelet,
39:39and a St. Christopher.
39:43A chain.
39:47Um, tobacco.
39:49And his clothes,
39:51with, uh, one ring.
40:01So as soon as he's free,
40:03we'll get that potty for him.
40:05How long ago did my Wendy's
40:07boys and girls go?
40:09There must be so many
40:11of them wandering around the country.
40:13Their parents never
40:15even know that they're dead.
40:17Are you a first aider?
40:19You know, other than
40:21what you learn normally,
40:23do you remember the first aid team?
40:25I used to be a student.
40:27Did you? Oh, I see.
40:29So this came pretty naturally to you.
40:31Well, reading your statement, it did.
40:33Now then, the point is that you can appreciate
40:35the mere fact that we have a prisoner dying
40:37in the cells causes
40:39all sorts of, uh, hello, hello.
40:41And so I want the whole thing
40:43to be done absolutely right,
40:45from the paper point of view.
40:49Now then,
40:51there was an instruction to check him
40:53every quarter of an hour, which I did.
40:55At 2315 hours,
40:57I checked him, I moved him
40:59and spoke to him. He then spoke
41:01in a very slurred manner.
41:03So obviously you're aware of the forced
41:05instruction regarding drunken prisoners.
41:07In fact, it says you were
41:09ultra-cautious here because it's every half an hour
41:11that they are to be visited and
41:13shaken. But you were doing it every
41:15quarter hour on the instruction,
41:17which is fine.
41:20Having said that, at 2330,
41:22I again checked him.
41:24I found he'd changed into his position from
41:26lateral to lying flat on his back.
41:28I repositioned him to the lateral.
41:30So again, obviously at that stage, you must have
41:32roused him.
41:34Yes, sir.
41:39I repositioned him to the lateral
41:41position at midnight.
41:43Now that's the point. At 2330
41:45hours, you checked him.
41:47I found he'd changed his position.
41:49At midnight, again I checked him.
41:51So it's half an hour later.
41:53We've gone off the quarter of an hour.
41:57And yet the charge sheet shows he was visited.
41:59Yes, sir.
42:03There should be another check
42:05before midnight.
42:07There should be another check before midnight, sir.
42:09There is.
42:11But of course, your statement doesn't
42:13bear it out.
42:162315,
42:182330, 2345,
42:20asleep. OK, that's your signature, isn't it?
42:22Yes, sir.
42:24So you've omitted to
42:26mention that visit.
42:30Don't mind me slashing your statement.
42:35Will you understand this after you've left this office?
42:37Yes, I will, sir.
42:45I wouldn't have said he was violent
42:47by any means.
42:49No, I didn't say he was... No, sorry.
42:51The impression she got, this girl,
42:53and it was odd, difficult for her to...
42:55I said, well, look, here we are with a man
42:57who's drunk and incapable,
42:59lying on the floor.
43:01And yet she had that feeling,
43:03that's really what it boils down to,
43:05she thought that when the PC went,
43:07that this chap, you know, opened his eyes
43:09and she thought he was going to get up and clobber them.
43:11For whatever reason. That was the impression she got.
43:13But certainly the man, she said, he began struggling.
43:15Yeah, he was certainly waving his arms about.
43:17The point I'm trying to get home,
43:19you see, that this lad, he wasn't unconscious
43:21by any manner of means, was he?
43:23So can you elaborate on that, Pete?
43:25OK.
43:27Your two witnesses for the other business
43:29were allowed from the vehicle outside.
43:33Mr Little, Mr Little.
43:35He was the prisoner that stayed.
43:37Yes.
43:39Mr Little.
43:41He was the prisoner that's now been arrested.
43:43Oh, I didn't appreciate that.
43:45I mean, he's now a witness.
43:47Well, he is to this.
43:49I didn't appreciate that he was,
43:51um...
43:53in fact,
43:55the person you'd arrested.
43:57Where's Little's statement by?
43:59Because he, in fact,
44:01told us that he'd seen this man drinking earlier on.
44:03Had he been unconscious,
44:05you wouldn't have put him in the cells.
44:07No, his breathing was, you know,
44:09his evidence suggests he wasn't drunk.
44:11You know, badly drunk.
44:13I mean, from your experience,
44:15you've seen enough drunken people,
44:17and I mean, this was a classic example
44:19of a drunken person.
44:21Would you elaborate on that for me,
44:23then, the fact that, obviously,
44:25you know, describe his condition as you saw it.
44:27So if you will,
44:29you know, explain that,
44:31reasons, and you accepted the charge.
44:33So, let's see, you know,
44:35why, and make sure,
44:37obviously, we know that you were fully justified.
44:39I know you were.
44:41But it's not made absolutely clear in that statement, I'm afraid.
44:49I'll see if I can get the door open,
44:51and then she can be able to talk with the others.
44:53Sounds good.
44:55Thank you very much indeed.
45:03DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES
45:11Hello, young lady.
45:13Evening, gentlemen.
45:15Telephone at home?
45:17No, he's not.
45:19I gather you came on earlier.
45:21That's right.
45:23Four.
45:25Who are we fixed for tonight,
45:27in view of the fact that all our lot
45:29seem to have come on earlier, or quite a few?
45:31Four o'clock. We don't know where they've all gone home.
45:37Alan, over here.
45:39Japanese motor cars
45:41are again being damaged
45:43by the Moby Dick group,
45:45if you get any offences of that nature.
45:47Karen Turner, the missing person,
45:49has been returned home.
45:51Good. I gather that our man from last night
45:53has been identified.
45:55He was the man from Eastbourne that we thought of.
45:57PM was done today.
45:59I've got a phone, Mr Rees, so I don't really know
46:01how I expect you to know as much about it as I do
46:03at this stage.
46:05Anybody got anything?
46:09Interest? No.
46:15There were statements
46:17from all of the officers concerned.
46:19A statement from the other man who was arrested,
46:21who saw Barkley being arrested,
46:23who was in the van with him,
46:25who was in the charge room with him.
46:27They're not in the cells with him.
46:33Yes, OK.
46:35I suppose the only...
46:37the only difficulty
46:39is whether or not we should have called...
46:41It's a perennial question
46:43of whether we should have called a doctor earlier on.
46:45There's a standing order
46:47quite specific if there's any doubt
46:49as to the man's condition.
46:51If, for example, he exhibits signs of drunkenness
46:53but there's no smell of alcohol,
46:55then there's a question of illness.
46:57But, in fact,
46:59two of the statements
47:01quite specifically state at the scene
47:03and at the police station
47:05that there was a strong smell of alcohol.
47:07When he was placed in the van,
47:09the other prisoner recognised him
47:11as someone who'd been in the pub
47:13at the same time as he was,
47:15so there was clear evidence of alcohol.
47:17There was no reason for anyone to think
47:19that it was other than alcohol,
47:21nor indeed is that the suggestion now.
47:23That I don't know about this, are there?
47:25No.
47:27No.
47:29There is only one small point
47:31in the fact that one of those witnesses
47:33who was a flatmate with a bit of luck
47:35when I sorted the property out
47:37at the railway station,
47:39I should knock him for burglary up in Derbyshire.
47:41John?
47:43One of those that we've not said, John?
47:45That's right, yes.
47:47Yes, I want to clear the property up.
47:49First of all, I did a check on him
47:51and he's wanted for burglary,
47:53and so I think it's more diplomatic
47:55to get the property sorted out before I lift him.
47:57Do you think he'll still be here?
47:59Oh, yes, he's going to phone me this afternoon.
48:01He was certainly here yesterday.
48:03He must be a bit thick, then.
48:05Well...
48:07Can't give me the details of himself
48:09knowing that he's wanted.
48:11He probably doesn't know
48:13that we know he's wanted.
48:21...
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